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It's all Game of Thrones now. I have zero interest. I thought you'd be covering movies. I have just unsubscribed. What a disappointment. (But this IS TH-cam.)
Hello! Is there any way to see the video that was blocked today by HBO? I'm sorry it happened btw, all the work you all put in to it, just to be blocked! At least, I can't see it here in Florida!
hey i see youtube deleted your video about cersei and dany could you reupload it somehow...? i just watched it and it was soooooo gooood but i cant remember all the good points you made!
What's quite interesting is that Sansa at the start of the series was quite similar to Myrcella and Tommen in that she was innocent, sheltered and incredibly naive to the harsh truths of Westeros -- it's through spending time under Cersei's warped tutelage that she grew her first set of "armour", which led to her becoming one of the smartest and longest-surviving characters on the show way up to the final season. So Cersei was able to impart the knowledge needed to survive only on someone she hates, because her view on what it means to be a mother is so askew. Maybe seen most clearly in their scenes in "Blackwater". Great video!
Blackwater was also one of the episodes that GRRM actually wrote himself. Coincidence that it has excellent character driven scenes *AND* a kick-ass battle? Eat it, D&D.
The very fact that Sansa was _not_ her child, not a lion, not someone Cersei wanted to show her kind of love to or manipulate to love her - these are the reasons she was *able* to show Sansa her darker side in the first place.
In the books, Daenerys is a teenager and the fact that she learned how to be a mother without any help or role models makes her far more interesting since it comes from something within.
@@ziva9266 primarily servants, since Aunt Genna was written out, so I guess that kinda explains how she ended up so screwed up. What I meant was Daenerys is the only one to grow up with any female role models. Catelyn and Cersei would have had servants, septas, or female relatives to provide them some understanding of motherhood, while Dany only had her abusive brother. It’s very telling that Dany managed to be one of the better moms (for a while).
Hmm. Tywin, Ned ,Davos, Stannis, Roose Bolton, Randyll Tarly, Jeor Mormont, Balon Greyjoy, Walder Frey and that Craster monster north of the Wall. Yeah, Ned wins that one. It's like GRRM hates father figures. He hated his grandfather for abandoning his grandma. As it turned out, by DNA analysis, that guy left because his wife (Martin's nanna) got pregnant by another man. Martin thought that his grandfather was Italian. It turns out that his real grandfather was Jewish.
In the show, it seems like the only dead Starks that matter are Ned and Robb. There's been no mention of Rickon, who recently died; little talk about Catelyn, even though Sansa and Arya often think about her in the books; and no mention of people like Hodor, Maester Luwin, Osha, Rodrick... or even Summer, Greywind and Shaggydog, who were all loyal to the Starks and protected them til the end, even when they didn't have to (in the case of Osha). I know time is limited but there should have been a moment for the Starks to reminisce about their mother and baby brother.
BECAUSE she was shit at parenting. You can't blame the children for it when they don't recall your lessons if you didn't give them anything to cope with life🤦🤦🤦
Sıla Gülcemal she wasn’t that bad. She was a teacher mom, and not cruel in any particular way except to Jon. And by the looks of it the majority of her kids are still alive unlike most of the other mothers. She obviously has issues I don’t think they had family therapy back then but she’s the most successful mother in the show for a reason
I understand why peope think that Cersei is a good mother, she loves her children but in the same time she is mother from hell, she is destroying her children by not letting them live their life, we all know how it sometimes feels when your mother is caring tooo much but Cersei is whole another level, she is paranoid and crazyl about her children, destroying them herself and not even noticing this
I DON'T understand why anyone would think that. She cares about herself above all else. She claims she cares about her kids, but if she did she wouldn't have done even half the things that she did do.
Raciat trash, worse in fact, cause youre ll hypocritical racists, worse than regular racists because you spew bigotry deluding yourself that youre “woke” and good people (youre not).
I thought I would add that Catelyn Stark had one weakness in her mothering that harmed her family, and that was her inability to accept a lone wolf into her pack in the form of Jon Snow. Because of her inability to love Jon she brings harm upon her own wolf pups in the end. She even says as much, knowing it was a flaw within her that she couldn't mother him
Lmfaooo people really hate that Catelyn was mean to Jon like who cares it had no affect on the story categorically. Tbh it probably saved Jon’s life if he wasn’t so brooding he probably would’ve stayed in winterfell with Robb and joined the war of the five kings aka the red wedding
I do not think you need to love someone to be a good mother to them, be it your own children or not. Cat could have been a good mother to Jon while hating his existance, if she had managed to surpress acting on that hate due to him having no fault. However, i disagree with some of the other commentors here about weather or not it harmed her family that she was no mother to him: I think her being a mother would have changed Jons story a lot, and the story of some of the others as well. Main reson for Jon to join the nights watch was that he saw no other futur for himself. He knew Cat would never allow him to make anything of himself. Had Cat cared, she could have found a different part for him to play. She planned ahead and prepared Robb to become a Lord, Bran to become a knight, Sansa and Arya to become southern Ladys. She could have secured a position as a squire for Jon with her uncle, for example, and then found him a lesser noble house with only female heirs that would take a husband with no name of his own, willing to carry on the brides house name. Like the Mormonts, or the Manderlys. With Jon not at the Wall, but with Robb during the war, maybe Robb would not have had Theon as his sole close friend and might have been a little more ready to listen to Cats warning about sending Theon to his father. In general, Cats bad threatment of Jon has at times seriously damadged her relationship with Arya and Robb. Actually, if she had been less horrible to Jon, maybe Ned would have eventually trusted her with the secret if Jons parents.
Well, Catelyn and Cersei are different in other ways: Catelyn is a fairly compassionate person who cares about other people (Jon Snow being the sole exception). Cersei is not at all compassionate; she loves herself and her children to the exclusion of everyone else. She wouldn't shy away from hurting others to keep them safe, as she proved with Ned and Sansa Stark.
targarynka she actually is compared to all the other people in the story. Look how she treated Brienne and others Cersei would never and if were being real others like Cersei would’ve just killed Jon. Even GRRM said Catelyn wasn’t especially cruel to Jon except that one time when Bran had just fallen and almost died. She would really just ignore him and he isn’t her son so I don’t know why if people think it was so bad why Ned doesn’t get any of this blame that’s your nephew why allow your wife to verbally abuse him. Catelyn wasn’t perfect but definitely a person who tried to be good and a good mother to her kids.
I've always loved show Catelyn far better than book Catelyn. Maybe it's Michelle Fairley's awesome portrayal but her desperation, her grief and her love for her children always felt much more real to me in the show than in the books where her chapters, especially after Ned dies, are just hard to get through because of the constant pessimism (even though she's mostly right about everything). I guess Fairley portrayed more emotion than book Catelyn generally does, who just seems to fall into a numb depression void of any strong feeling which is of course not unrealistic, but like I said, just hard to get through and really connect with. Plus, the whole Stoneheart thing obviously doesn't make her particularly likeable. Plus, I feel like in the show we got more to see of her conflicting attitudes for her children in contrast to Jon, that mostly isn't really portrayed in the books. So yeah, in the show, she's a pretty great character.
I loved her chapters because it felt so real. And her perception was really something to admire. Her mind worked on overdrive even when she was in the middle of a massive depression.
No michelle is non hateabel there was no way they could make u hate michelle they made catelyn understanding and the most realistic to women with cheating men and shit issues then anyone in the show and Michelle nails this .
This video is giving me major Catelyn Stark feels, I know she gets major flack for the way she treated Jon and I'm not excusing that behavior but her love of her children was so fierce. She was probably my favorite POV when reading the books too, I loved her reflections on motherhood and her love of her children. Her relationship with Robb was probably my favorite familial relationship in the series which made it all the more heartbreaking when the Red Wedding happens.
Lauren Rocha Same. She loved all her children but her love of Robb was special, because she had him to care for during the long months of Roberts Rebellion while Ned and most of the men were off fighting and she was alone in Riverrrun...it’s such a touching story and then she watches him die horribly at the Red Wedding...oh god that killed me
She's one of those grandma's that kick ass and take on the care of her grandkids and treats them almost more important than her own kid(s). Definitely the best grandma/mom.
Is she tho? Look at how Mace Tyrell turned out. She thinks he’s a fool. I would say best mother to Margaery only. She puts down Loras often. She’s only good to Margaery and only teaches her how to function in game of Thrones. She sort of disregards any male family members.
@@Jocelyn_Jade The Take has another vid on how House Tyrell is very much run by and in support of matriarchs; the men are seen as foolish, the women shrewd. Whichever opinion you hold, they definitely seem to pull the strings behind the scenes, and a lot the family's vertical moves (marrying into royalty, securing alliances) seems to rest on the women's shoulders. This would explain why Olenna has a much stronger bond with her granddaughter than her own son, or Loras. Game respects game or rather, breadwinners respect breadwinners.
Fathers only love their children if they live up to their own ridiculously high standards. A mothers love is unconditional, she will love you no matter what you do or who you choose to be, whilst fathers are more selfish in their aspirations for their children and cruel in their judgements. Just look at how Tywin was around Arya compared to his own children. He treated her with respect whilst he constantly berated and put down his own children because they didn’t meet his expectations.
That's where the show fails its viewers in how they perceive Dany. In the books she mourns for the girl, but by the end of the chapter she doesn't remember her name because she is a Dragon and Dragons don't worry about that stuff.
happy Mother's Day to you two ladies! Don't know if you're mothers in the literal sense, but you are the mothers of all these amazing videos, so thank you!
gen v She didn’t die hating Jon. In season 3, she admits to Talisa her guilt at not caring for Jon enough and being unnecessarily cruel to a motherless child who felt all alone and unloved in the world. She clearly feels regret and remorse for her actions and if given the chance to meet Jon again, she definitely would have apologised and tried to make things right between them, regardless of his real parentage.
Yesss, she was my absolute favourite, and I believe she could have had the potential to go all the way was it not for the high sparrow (aka the actress wanting to be written off desperately) 😪😪😪
Instead of being a wolf mom, Cat is more of a fish mom. Just like how Cersei teaching her children to be lions, Cat from the Tullys taught her children to be like the Tullys. Fish together is strong but weak alone.
@@apieceoflife2732 yes that's because I. The show, and I the video, Cat taught how to be independent and didn't hide them from the world but I stead used it to helped them learn.
I never saw Daenerys as a motherly figure, but this video really opened my eyes about her. Great to see everything from another POV, since most fans don't analyze every title and nickname given to a character.
Yuki D. Soulassassin she is a mother, she lost her human baby but raised three dragon babies, same as when humans raise puppies and watch them grown into full adult dogs.
This is why it's tempting to say 'first' lmao. But this is such a good idea for a video, GoT is very much a story of Motherhood; how it affects the mothers and the children, and how their absence affects everyone in the story!
Catlyn is the mother. She loved her children more than anything (like Cersei in the show) but also she taught them to be good, caring and made them learn to be independent and she had never turned them against Jon even though she at least didn’t love him and that is also the proof she loved her children more than herself. She really lived the words of her house: family, duty, honour. I want to be mother like her one day- she isn’t perfect but she gave herself to her children.
I think Danny's mom role is not of a 'leader'. I see Danny more of the type of mom that is absent. Too busy working, being successful and letting her children (dragons) be overly independent, rebellious and out of her control to a point. But after maturing, trying to fix as much as she can. Edit: Although they are not biological kids, Danny always states that they are her children. Yet, she has no idea what it really is to be a mother. Just like her aspirations for the Iron Throne, all she is doing is for the sake of her ambitions without knowing what it really is.
@@SG-pu3rx I agree, no matter how often Dany calls them "her children", she treats them more like a pet. It's kinda weird to compare Daenerys to the mothers of GoT.
@@MrLarva-sn7tz more like as if they were flying garbage bags. Much like how Jon treated Ghost last episode but at least he was good to him before while Dany has been this way since s4
TEAM OLENNA TYRELL! ... This was the personality of my Grandmother. Showing and teaching family loyalty, PERIOD. And when we all married, she made sure that our chosen ones quickly knew that they too, are now family and expected to put family first as well as making sure we all accepted our spouses family too. She would say that this is the ONLY way kids are taught love and devotion. By action not words. Miss you so much Grandma 💔
It's irritating to hear another video proclaim that Cersei loves her children. As a true narcissist, she only sees them as possessions that she jealously guards as her own. There is no love in her heart for anyone besides herself....not her children, not even Jaime. Just because she brought them into the world and claims to love them, people are content to believe her. Her failures as a parent are not caused by bad judgment, immaturity or weakness; they are caused by lack of compassion and failure to see her children as humans instead of tools to be implemented to get what she wants. That's why she so embodies the theme of the series and why she dominates for so long in the "game of thrones'. When everyone else on the board (including family members) are mere pawns, it's easy to be ruthless enough to win. Moreover, she uses everyone else's perception of her as a loving mother as a cover that allows her to get away with much more than would ordinarily be possible. EX: Tyrian's refusal to see her as she really is works against him and his queen at the end. Source: I was raised by a narcissist.
hmmm... Remember, they aren't really her children in the strictest sense. They are more like clones because their father was her twin. She sees them as parts of her own body, and thus as tools for self-advancement. She does love them, as another person might love her legs or her hair. That's why Tyrion compares her love of her children to her cheekbones. Cheekbones aren't a redeeming quality. He's using the second clause of the sentence to undermine the meaning of the first clause. Just as cheekbones aren't a redeeming quality, so her love of her children is not a redeeming quality: he recognizes that it is little more than vanity and practicality. Tyrion understands that Cersei cares only about herself. That is actually what causes him to miscalculate her actions in the end: he thought they'd convinced her that she was threatened by the wights. Though the show slightly undermined this by having the threat be completely stopped at Winterfell, making Cersei's estimation of her safety correct: and making the entire Dragonpit drama totally unnecessary plotwise.
@@sophiejones7727 actually they are not her clone-children. Cersei and Jaime can only share around 50% of the same genes, they aren´t identical twins and share as much genes as regular sister/brothers do. So her incest kids aren´t clones, they don´t have genes that are only hers. Only identical twins share the same genes to 99%, but they could never procreate, as they have the same gender.
I think show-Cersei loves her kids, just think about the way she talked about myrcella... but book-Cersei...book-Cersei is way more crazy and narcissistic as show-Cersei
I think that even my favorite, Tyrion, is wrong when he says that Cersei loves her children. What others mistake to be love is actually Cersei's narcissistic need to keep her children's love and devotion because that is what she 'feeds' on. Cersei loves herself above all and will use all those around her including her children to make herself feel powerful and the center of attention.
All those who watch this and have a caring mother (or a parent in general) be happy that do care and that you have them. I don't and it's been very hard. Nothing can replace a mother's love ❤
Like all your videos I've watched so far, well researched and presented, interesting to watch and listen to. I think it's worth noting Freefolk mothers in general: they don't name their children until they are 3 because many babies don't make it to that age. They are communally raised and those who do live are tough, fiercely independent, and form attachments not based on blood but on friendship and loyalty. They are also extremely adaptable and able to deal with traumatic events in a pragmatic way, having been taught that death is a risk of living.
One thing that’s so sad and true about Cersei, she never taught her children...anything. No real skills, no resilience, nothing. The goodness of her 2 younger children was all their own. All she did was spoil them and tell them how much better they were than other people. Yet even an illiterate poor cobbler or cook (the type of people Cersei looked down on) probably passed on their trade, ensuring their kid could fend for themselves. I hope she takes a long look in the mirror and admits or at least reflects on this in show.
Sorry, this vid is about actual thought and insight. Post your lock-step conformo-trope whining about the show on other channels. It’s all they do now.
It might be interesting to talk about how both sexes are treated in Westeros and Essos. Some of the seven kingdoms go for the traditional patriarchy where men are the only power, like the Lannisters, while others are matriarical, like the Tyrells, or have a balanced power system, like the Martells. Ned allows his daughter to learn to fight. In the marriage Ned and Catelyn are equals.
Well, Ned allows his daughter to fight, but he still said to her that she will marry a noble and bear his children ^^ But yes, if a Stark girl wants to learn fighting, they can, Arya and Lyanna do. It's just that they are supposed to be good wifes and moms nontheless, North is a patriarchal hierarchy too (except Bear's Island, maybe ^^).
Yeah, I was going to say that the Starks are patriarchal, but Ned may be a bit more progressive than most. He gives his daughters more freedom than Tywin gives Cersei. Tywin wants to use Cersei like a pawn to gain more power and influence.
Very interesting insight into Cersei's "insular parenting style" leaving her good children incapable of the skills needed to survive in such an environment. It's terrible. All she wanted to do was protect them, but in doing so, she has failed miserably in providing them with enough confidence and temerity to protect themselves. It must have been awful for Tommen and Mrycella. I mean, they were literally born into "the lion's den", but had their own "teeth" plucked out before they could even grow.
The saddest thing about Tommens and Myrcellas is that they would live happy lives it it weren't for all the Cerseis in their world: people that think only for themselves and what they care for, jaded enough to see their gentle and trusting nature as weakness. If they weren't her children, and still remained the exact same persons, Cersei would look down on them and would not care at all if they died.
What about Samwell Tarly's mother? Surely there's some lesson about the balance of stoicism and letting the father run roughshod over all manners and the children themselves. She wanted to accept Gilly but not willing to do so if it angered Randyll. When he made racist remarks at dinner, she didn't have the guts to even gently nudge him back on course. And in spite of how she may have felt on the matter, she did little to intervene for Samwell when he grew up under Randyll's harshness all in an attempt to harden him into a man and was ultimately sent to The Wall.
My mum is Cersei...the difference is I’m aware of her narcissism and I taught myself to be resilient since I noticed she wanted me to be dependent on her like she wants to own me. Working on moving out
Bit of a vent, but Catelyn was in my mind one of the dumbest of the 'moms' on the show. "All the horror that has come to my family, is because I couldn't love a motherless child." Right, blindly accusing the lannisters (before she even got the 'proof' from Littlefinger,)of trying to assassinate your kid because you found some blonde hair in a tower. letting the greatest leverage and prisoner of war in your camp go free to ruin your son's campaign have nothing to do with it. All the 'resourcefulness' the stark children have was either learned from the faceless men, or Sandor in the case of Arya, and in the case of Sansa, through Cersei and moreso, Littlefinger, with some Sandor as well.
It really bothers me that people are painting Dany’s completely understandable grief as mental illness... I made a video essay on it because I got so fed up with the way she’s being portrayed this season 😔 She’s lost so much in just two episodes, on top of her incredibly difficult life. She’s not mad, she’s angry.
Nitpick Chick that’s exactly it. We see the rushed and lazy writing. Instead of building up to a villainous character, as GRRM would do if it’s book canon, they’re going for the less nuanced “all it takes is one bad day.” Daenerys has always been more Maegor the Cruel, than Mad King Aerys, to her enemies that is. But remember “Madness and greatness are two sides of the same coin. Every time a new Targaryen is born, the gods toss the coin in the air and the world holds its breath to see how it will land.” - GRRM
It's not so much her character and her interactions by themselves, but her family history and her inbred bloodline. "When a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin. Greatness and madness are two sides of the coin."
one very good film critic said also that its crazy what they have done to Dany, and honestly she has right to be mad , and its not even good move what they did to her, because like this critic says all this comes out of nowhere, but then again you know they have done idirty to all female characters in the game of thrones, Sansa and Cersei are acting also like Dany in the season 8, show started out with very strong,smart and good female characters and now show is full of stupid,egotistic and bad female characters, and I am upset because I loved these characters.....and they ruined them ...I am saying honestly that I didnt even watch the last episode anymore because all this is full of disappointment
Its more that she's trying to save people that don't need to be saved. The north doesn't want her, Kings Landing is safe with Cersie ruling it. She had been told all her life that they will cheer for her and want her and that its her "destiny" She's learning that its not true and she isn't breaking the wheel
this is a very thorough video essay and analysis. speaking of the mothers, I really wish you guys have a chance to watch a Korean drama called Sky Castle, which is the highest rated show in Korean cable TV history. it is basically about mothers from privileged background grooming and preparing their kids so they can get into prestigious universities, but each of them has their own secrets that define the series as a whole. I'm writing this not to make a request of a video analysis of the show, but since The Take makes wonderful essays, I think everyone running the channel would probably enjoy the show!
I hope you’ll make a video on Dany soon. I’d really love what insights you have on her character and most especially on what’s happened to in the last episodes.
so sad how you ladies made a beautiful case for danaerys being a subversion of "mothers can't be leaders" stereotype, that a woman can be a protector, strong and compassionate, only for the last episode to do what it did...
Guys, you continue to bring the best kind of content. Love your videos so, so much! While other channels focus on constant talk whether something is good or bad, you use fiction to show its similarities to the real world and talk about characters' purpose in stories. You are the best. Thank you so much for all your hard work!
I love Catelyn. The thing about her is that even if she did have flaws and made mistakes (Didn't accept Jon and was hesitant about Talisa), she admits when she's wrong - She deep down did care for Jon because she prayed for his life and she does eventually open her heart to Talisa. Like stated in this video, she raised her children to be strong, resilient, and independent because she herself was all those things. She IS a good mother.
That was a good exploration into to Motherhood as shown throughout the series. I like that you compared each mother on the show show their differences and the pros and cons. A-
You make the best videos on GOT hands down!!! Great job as always. Your editing skills are on point as is the morale aspect of the show. THANK YOU!!! 🙂👏
Ceresei was an enabler and she was completely irrational when it comes to the decisions she makes regarding her children. She completely allowed Joffery to run roughshod with zero accountability, then acts perplexed when he turns out to be a complete lunatic. She views any decision made regarding them by anyone other than herself, as an act of treason-Her threatening of Tyrion for example. This fails spectacularly with Toemmen due to her absenteeism..Toemmen had no one to lean on and teach him anything..leaving him a perpetual infant and dependent. I would argue that the Stark children inherited their mother's impulsiveness. Caetlyn was prone to emotion fueled, impulsive, decision making with little regard for the long term consequences...and all of them display that same trait. Robb especially.
I don't really agree about Cat. She didn't shape her children to be resourceful; Sansa was spoiled, but under influence of Cersei and Littlefinger she became what she is now, Arya wasn't capable until she was trained by Syrio and the Faceless men, Bran and Rickon had Hodor, Osha and were always protected, ect. She advised Rob, but she didn't force him to listen to her and we all know events that followed. If there weren't for situations that her children ended up in, they wouldn't become strong, Cat didn't really do much there. Plus they are Starks and they (Bran and Arya) got some fantasy powers that are completely strange for Lannisters and their children.
In my view, Catelyn did equip her children with the essential tools to respond well to their situations and hardships. I guess it depends whether you think a parent laying the groundwork for a child's worldview essentially stays with them, or changes as they grow.
There’s something else about Cersei By the season finale, she basically ends up as an empty shell because she lost everything she ever had. Her children were the center of her world, and she built her whole life on them. When they just died off, she just became empty, and she was trying to use power to fill that void. It also shows something about us. When we are hurt emotionally or psychologically, we try to use commercial or material gains to make up for it. Cersei is the cautionary tale about how people like that could end up one day. Maybe that’s why some people love her so much 💔
Tbh the fact y’all are a female run pop culture analysis channel brings us such a fresh and needed perspective on everything (bc tbh it feels like every analysis on women are men saying either what they THINK women want to hear or ignore the importance of certain characters needing to be female and how those circumstances shape them into who they are)
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Sorry your Dany and Cersei vid got taken down. It was excellent.
The whole twin thing is something like yin and yang. Cersei is the worst half of the Lannister identity with the possibility of redemption and Jaime is the better half with the possibility of becoming evil. The fact that one of their children is a monster and two of them are good could show that, in the end, there can be good things from bad actions.
As usual you did a great job making us aware that this great 👍 tv show was a lot more deeper than it appears on the surface at university a round the world 🌎 will have courses in the Game of Thrones and they won’t have enough room for all the students who want to take this course, I can see the lines for signing up for this course was forming late in season eight, because this in short was one of life’s greatest lessons all in one course!
Cersei also symbolizes how some parents see their children as extension of the self. She believes that anything related to her is her, and this pushes her away from everyone except Jaime and Joffrey. She does genuinely her family, but she doesn’t learn how to let go of them properly and this destroys her when everything she ever cared about is gone. She knows how to feel, just not how to act, and that’s what’s so tragic about her. She represents the human psyche at its worst and lowest point: Adolescence.
Wonderful analysis of an interesting topic one doesn't often hear about :) Interesting that the objectively worst parenting (Cersei's) was the one you described as like modern parenting...
Catelyn, a Tully and a Stark. The one thing to notice? Wolves can eat fish if they want to, and the fish will only get to see the blood of their bite until it all becomes -Lady Stoneheart- darkness.
I loaded it on my phone to watch later. I was on the computer later and wanted to watch it so I started searching and it was gone. I went back to my phone to watch it - it was fantastic. I assumed it was taken down after I loaded it, so I refreshed it to be sure. It was taken down by a copyright claim by HBO. That is straight up shady on their part. They let full on clips of their show be on TH-cam which IS copyright infringement but take down derivative analysis which is not. It will be overturned eventually I am sure, but HBO isn't getting my money anymore after next week anyway. Scumbags.
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The Take now do an analysis of Lion King Please
It's all Game of Thrones now. I have zero interest. I thought you'd be covering movies. I have just unsubscribed. What a disappointment. (But this IS TH-cam.)
Hello! Is there any way to see the video that was blocked today by HBO? I'm sorry it happened btw, all the work you all put in to it, just to be blocked! At least, I can't see it here in Florida!
hey i see youtube deleted your video about cersei and dany could you reupload it somehow...? i just watched it and it was soooooo gooood but i cant remember all the good points you made!
Because I am damned disappointed.
Daenerys in season 5: "I don't want another child's bones dropped at my feet."
Daenerys in season 8: "LOL"
Rhi Is A Bean true tho lmao
RIGHT?!! 😂😂😂
Notice how season 5 was the last season based on the books...
@@Wargatron Oh, I noticed
...character...development..?
“You love your children. Its your redeeming quality. That and your cheekbones” i died 😂
A great line!
What's quite interesting is that Sansa at the start of the series was quite similar to Myrcella and Tommen in that she was innocent, sheltered and incredibly naive to the harsh truths of Westeros -- it's through spending time under Cersei's warped tutelage that she grew her first set of "armour", which led to her becoming one of the smartest and longest-surviving characters on the show way up to the final season. So Cersei was able to impart the knowledge needed to survive only on someone she hates, because her view on what it means to be a mother is so askew. Maybe seen most clearly in their scenes in "Blackwater". Great video!
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Their scenes together in the Blackwater episode are some of my favorite “game of thrones” scenes, ever!
Zachary Taylor mine too. It was one of the few episodes I’ve rewatched multiple times
Blackwater was also one of the episodes that GRRM actually wrote himself. Coincidence that it has excellent character driven scenes *AND* a kick-ass battle? Eat it, D&D.
The very fact that Sansa was _not_ her child, not a lion, not someone Cersei wanted to show her kind of love to or manipulate to love her - these are the reasons she was *able* to show Sansa her darker side in the first place.
Exactly! I was so sorry for Sansa but at the same time, she learnt so much of Westeros from Cersei.
In the books, Daenerys is a teenager and the fact that she learned how to be a mother without any help or role models makes her far more interesting since it comes from something within.
Natural mother instincts
Cersei grew up without a mother too; although she would have had multiple adult women in her life growing up
@@ziva9266 primarily servants, since Aunt Genna was written out, so I guess that kinda explains how she ended up so screwed up.
What I meant was Daenerys is the only one to grow up with any female role models. Catelyn and Cersei would have had servants, septas, or female relatives to provide them some understanding of motherhood, while Dany only had her abusive brother.
It’s very telling that Dany managed to be one of the better moms (for a while).
Catelyn is the soccer mom.
Cersei is the stage mom.
Daenerys is the crazy cat lady who calls her pets her "children"
Rob Chuk - Accurate af lol
Sounds about right😂😂
Cats are "fur babies" to cat ladies.
Rob Chuk
OMG, so true 😂
Eh. She still cares for them more and takes care of them more than Cersei ever did.
Would be very interesting to hear about the Fathers of game of thrones in a similar fashion
Can't wait for father's day
Hmm. Tywin, Ned ,Davos, Stannis, Roose Bolton, Randyll Tarly, Jeor Mormont, Balon Greyjoy, Walder Frey and that Craster monster north of the Wall.
Yeah, Ned wins that one. It's like GRRM hates father figures. He hated his grandfather for abandoning his grandma. As it turned out, by DNA analysis, that guy left because his wife (Martin's nanna) got pregnant by another man. Martin thought that his grandfather was Italian. It turns out that his real grandfather was Jewish.
@@jmchez jeor and Davos are fairly good parents I'd say.
@@otterhero6229 good surrogate fathers
That could be a very short of very LONG video depending on what they're talking about (short for positive, long for negative).
Catelyn Stark gave everything to her children, and yet they only miss their father. A mother's work is trully thankless.
In the show, it seems like the only dead Starks that matter are Ned and Robb. There's been no mention of Rickon, who recently died; little talk about Catelyn, even though Sansa and Arya often think about her in the books; and no mention of people like Hodor, Maester Luwin, Osha, Rodrick... or even Summer, Greywind and Shaggydog, who were all loyal to the Starks and protected them til the end, even when they didn't have to (in the case of Osha).
I know time is limited but there should have been a moment for the Starks to reminisce about their mother and baby brother.
@@elle19ism I agree!
BECAUSE she was shit at parenting. You can't blame the children for it when they don't recall your lessons if you didn't give them anything to cope with life🤦🤦🤦
Sıla Gülcemal she wasn’t that bad. She was a teacher mom, and not cruel in any particular way except to Jon. And by the looks of it the majority of her kids are still alive unlike most of the other mothers. She obviously has issues I don’t think they had family therapy back then but she’s the most successful mother in the show for a reason
@@possiblymaybe6711 Just point out what exactly did she teach? To anyone
I understand why peope think that Cersei is a good mother, she loves her children but in the same time she is mother from hell, she is destroying her children by not letting them live their life, we all know how it sometimes feels when your mother is caring tooo much but Cersei is whole another level, she is paranoid and crazyl about her children, destroying them herself and not even noticing this
Joffrey was probably going to turn out the same way anyway but I definitely agree with you
Happy mothers day
she acted so extremly because of the prophecy.. that she'll loose all of her children
I DON'T understand why anyone would think that. She cares about herself above all else. She claims she cares about her kids, but if she did she wouldn't have done even half the things that she did do.
shes narrcistic. "she was mine and you took her away from me". Her children are status symbols and that is the reason she loves them.
Cercei does feel like that the 'Karen' is strong in her.
She would DEFINITELY ask for a manager
I laughed out loud. Definitely, the kids at university who call their mom when at the bookstore or housing office.
Raciat trash, worse in fact, cause youre ll hypocritical racists, worse than regular racists because you spew bigotry deluding yourself that youre “woke” and good people (youre not).
my name is Karen..I don't understand your comment though
@@kckazcoll1 would you like to talk to the manager? 😂
Happy Mhysa Day!
I don't think it's going to be, in about 5-6 hours...
Looverse well yeah.
I thought I would add that Catelyn Stark had one weakness in her mothering that harmed her family, and that was her inability to accept a lone wolf into her pack in the form of Jon Snow. Because of her inability to love Jon she brings harm upon her own wolf pups in the end. She even says as much, knowing it was a flaw within her that she couldn't mother him
women don't owe you love. just because she is a mother doesn't mean she has to love every child.
That didn't hurt her children in any way
Lmfaooo people really hate that Catelyn was mean to Jon like who cares it had no affect on the story categorically. Tbh it probably saved Jon’s life if he wasn’t so brooding he probably would’ve stayed in winterfell with Robb and joined the war of the five kings aka the red wedding
This is not intrinsic to her character though, since it's only something from the show.
I do not think you need to love someone to be a good mother to them, be it your own children or not. Cat could have been a good mother to Jon while hating his existance, if she had managed to surpress acting on that hate due to him having no fault. However, i disagree with some of the other commentors here about weather or not it harmed her family that she was no mother to him:
I think her being a mother would have changed Jons story a lot, and the story of some of the others as well. Main reson for Jon to join the nights watch was that he saw no other futur for himself. He knew Cat would never allow him to make anything of himself. Had Cat cared, she could have found a different part for him to play. She planned ahead and prepared Robb to become a Lord, Bran to become a knight, Sansa and Arya to become southern Ladys. She could have secured a position as a squire for Jon with her uncle, for example, and then found him a lesser noble house with only female heirs that would take a husband with no name of his own, willing to carry on the brides house name. Like the Mormonts, or the Manderlys.
With Jon not at the Wall, but with Robb during the war, maybe Robb would not have had Theon as his sole close friend and might have been a little more ready to listen to Cats warning about sending Theon to his father. In general, Cats bad threatment of Jon has at times seriously damadged her relationship with Arya and Robb.
Actually, if she had been less horrible to Jon, maybe Ned would have eventually trusted her with the secret if Jons parents.
Well, Catelyn and Cersei are different in other ways: Catelyn is a fairly compassionate person who cares about other people (Jon Snow being the sole exception). Cersei is not at all compassionate; she loves herself and her children to the exclusion of everyone else. She wouldn't shy away from hurting others to keep them safe, as she proved with Ned and Sansa Stark.
@targarynka They are talking about show Cat
She did care about others, but no one trumped her children.
Google: The order of the Green hand: why Cathlynn sucks...
They also have some decent sh!t to throw at Sansa too...
targarynka she actually is compared to all the other people in the story. Look how she treated Brienne and others Cersei would never and if were being real others like Cersei would’ve just killed Jon. Even GRRM said Catelyn wasn’t especially cruel to Jon except that one time when Bran had just fallen and almost died. She would really just ignore him and he isn’t her son so I don’t know why if people think it was so bad why Ned doesn’t get any of this blame that’s your nephew why allow your wife to verbally abuse him. Catelyn wasn’t perfect but definitely a person who tried to be good and a good mother to her kids.
@@AyelMathias thank you for making some sense over here
Catelyn killed by a Lannisters scheme
Cersei killed by Targaryen bricks
Danny killed by half a Stark who knew nothin'
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I've always loved show Catelyn far better than book Catelyn. Maybe it's Michelle Fairley's awesome portrayal but her desperation, her grief and her love for her children always felt much more real to me in the show than in the books where her chapters, especially after Ned dies, are just hard to get through because of the constant pessimism (even though she's mostly right about everything).
I guess Fairley portrayed more emotion than book Catelyn generally does, who just seems to fall into a numb depression void of any strong feeling which is of course not unrealistic, but like I said, just hard to get through and really connect with. Plus, the whole Stoneheart thing obviously doesn't make her particularly likeable. Plus, I feel like in the show we got more to see of her conflicting attitudes for her children in contrast to Jon, that mostly isn't really portrayed in the books. So yeah, in the show, she's a pretty great character.
Bruh, you're making me think that maybe Lady Stoneheart will be the one to give life to Jon, in the same way Berric gave up his life for Cats
I loved her chapters because it felt so real. And her perception was really something to admire. Her mind worked on overdrive even when she was in the middle of a massive depression.
No michelle is non hateabel there was no way they could make u hate michelle they made catelyn understanding and the most realistic to women with cheating men and shit issues then anyone in the show and Michelle nails this .
This video is giving me major Catelyn Stark feels, I know she gets major flack for the way she treated Jon and I'm not excusing that behavior but her love of her children was so fierce. She was probably my favorite POV when reading the books too, I loved her reflections on motherhood and her love of her children. Her relationship with Robb was probably my favorite familial relationship in the series which made it all the more heartbreaking when the Red Wedding happens.
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Same.
She loved all her children but her love of Robb was special, because she had him to care for during the long months of Roberts Rebellion while Ned and most of the men were off fighting and she was alone in Riverrrun...it’s such a touching story and then she watches him die horribly at the Red Wedding...oh god that killed me
Olenna is the best mom 😍😍
She's one of those grandma's that kick ass and take on the care of her grandkids and treats them almost more important than her own kid(s). Definitely the best grandma/mom.
Is she tho? Look at how Mace Tyrell turned out. She thinks he’s a fool. I would say best mother to Margaery only. She puts down Loras often. She’s only good to Margaery and only teaches her how to function in game of Thrones. She sort of disregards any male family members.
She is grandma 😂
@@Jocelyn_Jade The Take has another vid on how House Tyrell is very much run by and in support of matriarchs; the men are seen as foolish, the women shrewd. Whichever opinion you hold, they definitely seem to pull the strings behind the scenes, and a lot the family's vertical moves (marrying into royalty, securing alliances) seems to rest on the women's shoulders. This would explain why Olenna has a much stronger bond with her granddaughter than her own son, or Loras. Game respects game or rather, breadwinners respect breadwinners.
Yeah behind the constant derision she shows to mace, olenna really did love her son
Can you do a Father’s Day video as well? Maybe Tywin, Stanis, Robert and Ned?
And Jaime and Oberyn
And roose bolton
Fathers only love their children if they live up to their own ridiculously high standards. A mothers love is unconditional, she will love you no matter what you do or who you choose to be, whilst fathers are more selfish in their aspirations for their children and cruel in their judgements. Just look at how Tywin was around Arya compared to his own children. He treated her with respect whilst he constantly berated and put down his own children because they didn’t meet his expectations.
Stanis was the worst father of all series
The hound...
Season 4: "I don't want another child's bones dropped at my feet."
Season 8: proceeds to turn thousands of women and children to ash...
That's where the show fails its viewers in how they perceive Dany. In the books she mourns for the girl, but by the end of the chapter she doesn't remember her name because she is a Dragon and Dragons don't worry about that stuff.
@@ninethreefivesix That's why i'm glad she didn't became queen in the end
Scarlett Vlogs nah, the second they ran out of the novel material, is when the series became bad. But it became worse by the start of season 7
8:59 I love how it shows a picture of Bran when the narrator says 'capable'.
happy Mother's Day to you two ladies! Don't know if you're mothers in the literal sense, but you are the mothers of all these amazing videos, so thank you!
Catelyn died hating Jon because she thought he was a bastard 😭 if she knew she would've treated him so differently
gen v She didn’t die hating Jon. In season 3, she admits to Talisa her guilt at not caring for Jon enough and being unnecessarily cruel to a motherless child who felt all alone and unloved in the world. She clearly feels regret and remorse for her actions and if given the chance to meet Jon again, she definitely would have apologised and tried to make things right between them, regardless of his real parentage.
@@sitamun7598 oh yes I do recall this conversation and I'm just fantasizing about what could have been. They could've had a great dynamic
No, because he was always reminding her Ned's betrayal (and also from her point of view, brought shame on her because of that)
He is a bastard
@@ramonapiercesalvatore5917 no he is not he is Aegon Targaryen , son of Lord Eddark Starks sister Lady Leanna Stark and Raegar Targaryen
Amazing analysis, would love a video about Margaery
yees she was one of my favorite characters, good player of game but with good heart :)
Yesss, she was my absolute favourite, and I believe she could have had the potential to go all the way was it not for the high sparrow (aka the actress wanting to be written off desperately) 😪😪😪
Instead of being a wolf mom, Cat is more of a fish mom. Just like how Cersei teaching her children to be lions, Cat from the Tullys taught her children to be like the Tullys. Fish together is strong but weak alone.
Wolves are weak alone too. The lone wolf dies but the pack survives
Arya is not weak alone,nor Jon,Sansa survived despite being alone.
@@apieceoflife2732 yes that's because I. The show, and I the video, Cat taught how to be independent and didn't hide them from the world but I stead used it to helped them learn.
@@apieceoflife2732 well Arya isnt a wolf....she is apparently NOONE..
They survived alone.They are not weak alone.
I never saw Daenerys as a motherly figure, but this video really opened my eyes about her. Great to see everything from another POV, since most fans don't analyze every title and nickname given to a character.
Yuki D. Soulassassin she is a mother, she lost her human baby but raised three dragon babies, same as when humans raise puppies and watch them grown into full adult dogs.
Every freed slave literally calls her Mhysa, which means Mother. This show is better when you pay attention.
Catelyn see her children as individuals where’s Cersei see her children as extensions of herself
This is why it's tempting to say 'first' lmao.
But this is such a good idea for a video, GoT is very much a story of Motherhood; how it affects the mothers and the children, and how their absence affects everyone in the story!
Catlyn is the mother. She loved her children more than anything (like Cersei in the show) but also she taught them to be good, caring and made them learn to be independent and she had never turned them against Jon even though she at least didn’t love him and that is also the proof she loved her children more than herself. She really lived the words of her house: family, duty, honour.
I want to be mother like her one day- she isn’t perfect but she gave herself to her children.
My mother is definitely a Catelyn, but I feel like I’ll probably morph into a Daenerys when I have children.
Do you think of it as a good thing or a bad thing?
You gonna scream *"WHERE ARE MY CHILDREN"* when they get lost in the supermarket?
@@finnheisenheim8274 lol. I wanna see that
Ellaria was a far better mother in the books. She’s cautionary, logical and kind as well as a good adviser to her children and Doran Martell.
I think Danny's mom role is not of a 'leader'. I see Danny more of the type of mom that is absent. Too busy working, being successful and letting her children (dragons) be overly independent, rebellious and out of her control to a point.
But after maturing, trying to fix as much as she can.
Edit: Although they are not biological kids, Danny always states that they are her children. Yet, she has no idea what it really is to be a mother. Just like her aspirations for the Iron Throne, all she is doing is for the sake of her ambitions without knowing what it really is.
exactly.. some of her 'children' have gone through a good path but other are rebellious but they all love her deeply
She's also a very young teen mom
LOL she did care more about Jon Snow she just met than her supposed child Viserion getting killed 😂😂😂😂 WHAT A MOTHER
@@SG-pu3rx I agree, no matter how often Dany calls them "her children", she treats them more like a pet. It's kinda weird to compare Daenerys to the mothers of GoT.
@@MrLarva-sn7tz more like as if they were flying garbage bags. Much like how Jon treated Ghost last episode but at least he was good to him before while Dany has been this way since s4
This channel has become one of my absolute favorites. Well-thought and well put together. Keep up the great work!
TEAM OLENNA TYRELL! ... This was the personality of my Grandmother. Showing and teaching family loyalty, PERIOD. And when we all married, she made sure that our chosen ones quickly knew that they too, are now family and expected to put family first as well as making sure we all accepted our spouses family too. She would say that this is the ONLY way kids are taught love and devotion. By action not words. Miss you so much Grandma 💔
It's irritating to hear another video proclaim that Cersei loves her children. As a true narcissist, she only sees them as possessions that she jealously guards as her own. There is no love in her heart for anyone besides herself....not her children, not even Jaime. Just because she brought them into the world and claims to love them, people are content to believe her. Her failures as a parent are not caused by bad judgment, immaturity or weakness; they are caused by lack of compassion and failure to see her children as humans instead of tools to be implemented to get what she wants. That's why she so embodies the theme of the series and why she dominates for so long in the "game of thrones'. When everyone else on the board (including family members) are mere pawns, it's easy to be ruthless enough to win. Moreover, she uses everyone else's perception of her as a loving mother as a cover that allows her to get away with much more than would ordinarily be possible. EX: Tyrian's refusal to see her as she really is works against him and his queen at the end. Source: I was raised by a narcissist.
hmmm...
Remember, they aren't really her children in the strictest sense. They are more like clones because their father was her twin. She sees them as parts of her own body, and thus as tools for self-advancement. She does love them, as another person might love her legs or her hair. That's why Tyrion compares her love of her children to her cheekbones. Cheekbones aren't a redeeming quality. He's using the second clause of the sentence to undermine the meaning of the first clause. Just as cheekbones aren't a redeeming quality, so her love of her children is not a redeeming quality: he recognizes that it is little more than vanity and practicality. Tyrion understands that Cersei cares only about herself. That is actually what causes him to miscalculate her actions in the end: he thought they'd convinced her that she was threatened by the wights. Though the show slightly undermined this by having the threat be completely stopped at Winterfell, making Cersei's estimation of her safety correct: and making the entire Dragonpit drama totally unnecessary plotwise.
@@sophiejones7727 actually they are not her clone-children. Cersei and Jaime can only share around 50% of the same genes, they aren´t identical twins and share as much genes as regular sister/brothers do. So her incest kids aren´t clones, they don´t have genes that are only hers. Only identical twins share the same genes to 99%, but they could never procreate, as they have the same gender.
I think show-Cersei loves her kids, just think about the way she talked about myrcella... but book-Cersei...book-Cersei is way more crazy and narcissistic as show-Cersei
@@annajansen6945 I meant only that it's as close as you could get to cloning in the story world. I do know that :).
Yeah cersei only sees her children as an extension of herself. Whenever she mentions her love of them, it always follows with *they were mine*
JUST PAT THE FREAKING WOLF
I think that even my favorite, Tyrion, is wrong when he says that Cersei loves her children. What others mistake to be love is actually Cersei's narcissistic need to keep her children's love and devotion because that is what she 'feeds' on. Cersei loves herself above all and will use all those around her including her children to make herself feel powerful and the center of attention.
Olenna is the one many of us wish to be.16:48 speaks volumes of it. The sharp tongued but supportive kind. Lovely
Nana T is best mum. All the parenting virtues you highlighted for Cat, plus training her grandchildren how to politic.
It was a shame to not include the only Matriarch we have ever seen in GoT.
So, Cersei is more or less that one mom every teacher dreads during PTA meetings
All those who watch this and have a caring mother (or a parent in general) be happy that do care and that you have them. I don't and it's been very hard. Nothing can replace a mother's love ❤
I feel you, same here. Here's to being and finding the mothers we need.
Like all your videos I've watched so far, well researched and presented, interesting to watch and listen to. I think it's worth noting Freefolk mothers in general: they don't name their children until they are 3 because many babies don't make it to that age. They are communally raised and those who do live are tough, fiercely independent, and form attachments not based on blood but on friendship and loyalty. They are also extremely adaptable and able to deal with traumatic events in a pragmatic way, having been taught that death is a risk of living.
One thing that’s so sad and true about Cersei, she never taught her children...anything. No real skills, no resilience, nothing. The goodness of her 2 younger children was all their own.
All she did was spoil them and tell them how much better they were than other people. Yet even an illiterate poor cobbler or cook (the type of people Cersei looked down on) probably passed on their trade, ensuring their kid could fend for themselves. I hope she takes a long look in the mirror and admits or at least reflects on this in show.
HBO : what do we say about good writing ??
D&D : Not Today !
Haha so true😂
Sorry, this vid is about actual thought and insight. Post your lock-step conformo-trope whining about the show on other channels. It’s all they do now.
Sadly true
It might be interesting to talk about how both sexes are treated in Westeros and Essos. Some of the seven kingdoms go for the traditional patriarchy where men are the only power, like the Lannisters, while others are matriarical, like the Tyrells, or have a balanced power system, like the Martells. Ned allows his daughter to learn to fight. In the marriage Ned and Catelyn are equals.
Well, Ned allows his daughter to fight, but he still said to her that she will marry a noble and bear his children ^^
But yes, if a Stark girl wants to learn fighting, they can, Arya and Lyanna do. It's just that they are supposed to be good wifes and moms nontheless, North is a patriarchal hierarchy too (except Bear's Island, maybe ^^).
Yeah, I was going to say that the Starks are patriarchal, but Ned may be a bit more progressive than most. He gives his daughters more freedom than Tywin gives Cersei. Tywin wants to use Cersei like a pawn to gain more power and influence.
@@JessCausey I don't think he's progressive, it's just that he likes a lot Arya who remind him Lyanna, so he accord her that caprice ^^
Exactly! I loved The Take's vid on House Tyrell.
@@krankarvolund7771 Nope.Ned is progressive.He wouldn't have allowed Arya to live the way she wants if he was patriarchal or toward Cat as his equal.
Very interesting insight into Cersei's "insular parenting style" leaving her good children incapable of the skills needed to survive in such an environment. It's terrible. All she wanted to do was protect them, but in doing so, she has failed miserably in providing them with enough confidence and temerity to protect themselves. It must have been awful for Tommen and Mrycella. I mean, they were literally born into "the lion's den", but had their own "teeth" plucked out before they could even grow.
It is heartbreaking. i hope they can get it together.
The saddest thing about Tommens and Myrcellas is that they would live happy lives it it weren't for all the Cerseis in their world: people that think only for themselves and what they care for, jaded enough to see their gentle and trusting nature as weakness.
If they weren't her children, and still remained the exact same persons, Cersei would look down on them and would not care at all if they died.
P.D.: It's _so strange_ to see an image of Betty Drapper compared to Daenerys.
In the sense of... I get the point, and at the same time... Oh, god.
I always wanted to hear someone's perspective on Cersei's parenting with Joffrey vs Myrcella and Tommen.
Awful !! Soccer Moms living their lives thru their kids
What about Samwell Tarly's mother? Surely there's some lesson about the balance of stoicism and letting the father run roughshod over all manners and the children themselves. She wanted to accept Gilly but not willing to do so if it angered Randyll. When he made racist remarks at dinner, she didn't have the guts to even gently nudge him back on course. And in spite of how she may have felt on the matter, she did little to intervene for Samwell when he grew up under Randyll's harshness all in an attempt to harden him into a man and was ultimately sent to The Wall.
Great video as usual! I forgot how delightful is to watch Catelyn on screen, her actress was so good. They were my favorite scenes
My god I miss Cat. She's one of the best, sadly underrated characters of the series. This was an amazing video!
In the books she returns from the dead as Lady Stoneheart to avange the murder of the red wedding ;)
@@sensunory Yeah I know, everyone knows, why are you winking?? That's not even a part of my comment whaaaaattt
All The Artsy ah in case you didn’t know! Aaaaand to only use one eye while typing.
My mum is Cersei...the difference is I’m aware of her narcissism and I taught myself to be resilient since I noticed she wanted me to be dependent on her like she wants to own me. Working on moving out
In a similar boat, though I think I'm close to opening that door
I feel you.
Good
Bit of a vent, but Catelyn was in my mind one of the dumbest of the 'moms' on the show.
"All the horror that has come to my family, is because I couldn't love a motherless child."
Right, blindly accusing the lannisters (before she even got the 'proof' from Littlefinger,)of trying to assassinate your kid because you found some blonde hair in a tower. letting the greatest leverage and prisoner of war in your camp go free to ruin your son's campaign have nothing to do with it.
All the 'resourcefulness' the stark children have was either learned from the faceless men, or Sandor in the case of Arya, and in the case of Sansa, through Cersei and moreso, Littlefinger, with some Sandor as well.
I love this so much!!! Are you going to do the Father’s next?
It really bothers me that people are painting Dany’s completely understandable grief as mental illness... I made a video essay on it because I got so fed up with the way she’s being portrayed this season 😔
She’s lost so much in just two episodes, on top of her incredibly difficult life. She’s not mad, she’s angry.
Nitpick Chick that’s exactly it. We see the rushed and lazy writing. Instead of building up to a villainous character, as GRRM would do if it’s book canon, they’re going for the less nuanced “all it takes is one bad day.” Daenerys has always been more Maegor the Cruel, than Mad King Aerys, to her enemies that is. But remember “Madness and greatness are two sides of the same coin. Every time a new Targaryen is born, the gods toss the coin in the air and the world holds its breath to see how it will land.” - GRRM
It's not so much her character and her interactions by themselves, but her family history and her inbred bloodline.
"When a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin. Greatness and madness are two sides of the coin."
one very good film critic said also that its crazy what they have done to Dany, and honestly she has right to be mad , and its not even good move what they did to her, because like this critic says all this comes out of nowhere, but then again you know they have done idirty to all female characters in the game of thrones, Sansa and Cersei are acting also like Dany in the season 8, show started out with very strong,smart and good female characters and now show is full of stupid,egotistic and bad female characters, and I am upset because I loved these characters.....and they ruined them ...I am saying honestly that I didnt even watch the last episode anymore because all this is full of disappointment
Its more that she's trying to save people that don't need to be saved. The north doesn't want her, Kings Landing is safe with Cersie ruling it.
She had been told all her life that they will cheer for her and want her and that its her "destiny"
She's learning that its not true and she isn't breaking the wheel
The books do a great way of showing her internal monologues - hint she's going mad in the books and is desperately *losing* a battle against madness.
Wow, this channel is incredibly pleasing to mind, eye and ear altogether.
this is a very thorough video essay and analysis. speaking of the mothers, I really wish you guys have a chance to watch a Korean drama called Sky Castle, which is the highest rated show in Korean cable TV history. it is basically about mothers from privileged background grooming and preparing their kids so they can get into prestigious universities, but each of them has their own secrets that define the series as a whole. I'm writing this not to make a request of a video analysis of the show, but since The Take makes wonderful essays, I think everyone running the channel would probably enjoy the show!
I hope you’ll make a video on Dany soon. I’d really love what insights you have on her character and most especially on what’s happened to in the last episodes.
so sad how you ladies made a beautiful case for danaerys being a subversion of "mothers can't be leaders" stereotype, that a woman can be a protector, strong and compassionate, only for the last episode to do what it did...
still recovering from that wreck
So mad.
Terrible, terrible, out-of-character writing.
I honestly feel so bad for the actors. They deserved better.
We all did.
Guys, you continue to bring the best kind of content. Love your videos so, so much! While other channels focus on constant talk whether something is good or bad, you use fiction to show its similarities to the real world and talk about characters' purpose in stories. You are the best. Thank you so much for all your hard work!
I love that this channel recognizes cersei being driven by love. Flawed. But still honest love
I love Catelyn. The thing about her is that even if she did have flaws and made mistakes (Didn't accept Jon and was hesitant about Talisa), she admits when she's wrong - She deep down did care for Jon because she prayed for his life and she does eventually open her heart to Talisa. Like stated in this video, she raised her children to be strong, resilient, and independent because she herself was all those things. She IS a good mother.
That was a good exploration into to Motherhood as shown throughout the series. I like that you compared each mother on the show show their differences and the pros and cons. A-
You make the best videos on GOT hands down!!! Great job as always. Your editing skills are on point as is the morale aspect of the show. THANK YOU!!! 🙂👏
Catelyn Stark reminds me a lot of my own mother
I LOVE these Game of Thrones videos that you do. And all the other videos ans well. You put so much effort in them. Well done!
Catelyn would have been the best mom if she had just taught Rickon to zig zag.
sunshine merlot that’s so true it’s kinda painful
The best mother was Catelyn Stark.. All of her childrens have remarkable characters.
Another excellent vid. By far the best GoT analysis TH-cam channel, because you already have your own maturity and breadth that you bring to bear.
on both the books and show they reference that cersei had sex with jamie and lancel because they look like her
Narcissist at it's finest :D ... She is literally the Greek Narciss
So inspirational , it really reminded me of how much i love my mother and of how amazing she is🥰🥰🥰🥰
I’d love a version of this for House of the Dragon! Comparing Rhaenyra and Aliscent’s mothering styles
Ceresei was an enabler and she was completely irrational when it comes to the decisions she makes regarding her children. She completely allowed Joffery to run roughshod with zero accountability, then acts perplexed when he turns out to be a complete lunatic. She views any decision made regarding them by anyone other than herself, as an act of treason-Her threatening of Tyrion for example. This fails spectacularly with Toemmen due to her absenteeism..Toemmen had no one to lean on and teach him anything..leaving him a perpetual infant and dependent. I would argue that the Stark children inherited their mother's impulsiveness. Caetlyn was prone to emotion fueled, impulsive, decision making with little regard for the long term consequences...and all of them display that same trait. Robb especially.
i got chills and the video ain't even start yet
Do symbolism of the maesters.
Ever heard of putting a "please" at the end of your demands?
I don't really agree about Cat. She didn't shape her children to be resourceful; Sansa was spoiled, but under influence of Cersei and Littlefinger she became what she is now, Arya wasn't capable until she was trained by Syrio and the Faceless men, Bran and Rickon had Hodor, Osha and were always protected, ect. She advised Rob, but she didn't force him to listen to her and we all know events that followed. If there weren't for situations that her children ended up in, they wouldn't become strong, Cat didn't really do much there. Plus they are Starks and they (Bran and Arya) got some fantasy powers that are completely strange for Lannisters and their children.
In my view, Catelyn did equip her children with the essential tools to respond well to their situations and hardships. I guess it depends whether you think a parent laying the groundwork for a child's worldview essentially stays with them, or changes as they grow.
There’s something else about Cersei
By the season finale, she basically ends up as an empty shell because she lost everything she ever had. Her children were the center of her world, and she built her whole life on them. When they just died off, she just became empty, and she was trying to use power to fill that void.
It also shows something about us. When we are hurt emotionally or psychologically, we try to use commercial or material gains to make up for it. Cersei is the cautionary tale about how people like that could end up one day.
Maybe that’s why some people love her so much 💔
Thanks for the video. Perfect for Mother's Day :)
Michelle Fairley is an amazing actress you can just see the emotion in her face during the Red Wedding and when she finds out Ned’s dead
Tbh the fact y’all are a female run pop culture analysis channel brings us such a fresh and needed perspective on everything (bc tbh it feels like every analysis on women are men saying either what they THINK women want to hear or ignore the importance of certain characters needing to be female and how those circumstances shape them into who they are)
Sorry your Dany and Cersei vid got taken down. It was excellent.
man i love your cersei vs daenerys video! i hope hbo lets you put it back it, esp since it was actually saying positive things about the show
Amazing video, as always. Well done The Take, well done.
And happy Mother’s Day!
The whole twin thing is something like yin and yang. Cersei is the worst half of the Lannister identity with the possibility of redemption and Jaime is the better half with the possibility of becoming evil. The fact that one of their children is a monster and two of them are good could show that, in the end, there can be good things from bad actions.
As usual you did a great job making us aware that this great 👍 tv show was a lot more deeper than it appears on the surface at university a round the world 🌎 will have courses in the Game of Thrones and they won’t have enough room for all the students who want to take this course, I can see the lines for signing up for this course was forming late in season eight, because this in short was one of life’s greatest lessons all in one course!
It’s Mother’s Day and we’re getting an episode of Game of Thrones. The last time GOT aired on Father’s Day, Stannis burned poor Shrine at the stake.
And remember Tywin's death
I'm not even certain if i want children someday but this is so inspiring, i'm out here vowing, "I want to be a good mother." 😅
I cried when it came to Catelyn, so sad 😭😭
Still cant watch the red wedding.
Happy Mothers Day...!! :)
The giantess tormund got cozy with is best mom, with Caitlyn being second. Cersi’s a psychopath, Dany’s going full Mad Queen.
Cersei also symbolizes how some parents see their children as extension of the self. She believes that anything related to her is her, and this pushes her away from everyone except Jaime and Joffrey. She does genuinely her family, but she doesn’t learn how to let go of them properly and this destroys her when everything she ever cared about is gone. She knows how to feel, just not how to act, and that’s what’s so tragic about her. She represents the human psyche at its worst and lowest point: Adolescence.
Catherine Cao isn’t it also that she loves herself? Loving Jaime who looks like her and her children who also look like them
Wonderful analysis of an interesting topic one doesn't often hear about :) Interesting that the objectively worst parenting (Cersei's) was the one you described as like modern parenting...
My mom is definitely Cercei. The problem is that I'm a Olenna daughter.
Wow...that must be an interesting dichotomy, and by interesting I mean traumatic :-( I can commiserate.
Cersei, Catelyn, and Dany all lost their mothers in childbirth, and that’s really the only thing that connects them
The first word I think of when I hear the name Cersei is undeserving. She doesn't deserve anything she has in the show.
Including the shitty ending they gave her :-(
Happy Mother’s Day! Thank u for including dany in this!
Catelyn, a Tully and a Stark.
The one thing to notice? Wolves can eat fish if they want to, and the fish will only get to see the blood of their bite until it all becomes -Lady Stoneheart- darkness.
Great video! Competent analysis. Well done!
I love this so much! My grandmother was a Cersei, my mother was a Catelyn, and I’m a Dany with 2 cats for kids. :)
My mother is a strange mix of Cersei and Catelyn (genuinely loving and self-sacrificing but also overprotective and coddling), and I'm a Dany cat mom.
Did I just watch a GOT “tale of two queens” video that I now cannot find or did I daydream it?
I loaded it on my phone to watch later. I was on the computer later and wanted to watch it so I started searching and it was gone. I went back to my phone to watch it - it was fantastic. I assumed it was taken down after I loaded it, so I refreshed it to be sure. It was taken down by a copyright claim by HBO. That is straight up shady on their part. They let full on clips of their show be on TH-cam which IS copyright infringement but take down derivative analysis which is not. It will be overturned eventually I am sure, but HBO isn't getting my money anymore after next week anyway. Scumbags.
This is so well put and perfectly explained! Love all these videos.❤