11:17 Yes, you will loose some volume, but only if you have full cylinder. If you have hole in your cylinder and your shimmed piston opens the hole anyway, you still have the same volume. Adding pad on piston head in gun with hole in cylinder leads to volume loss, shimming piston doesn't (as long as your piston head clears the hole, doesn't matter how much). With full cylinders you loose volume in both cases.
I got a stock Kriss Vector that pisses me off when I try to spam the trigger and if half cycles, and I got a DSG gear laying around, your video are almost convincing me to do the same lmao But I also got a project of HPAing it with my own designed 3D printed "gearbox" (without laying the Polarstar engine diagonal, instead it will sit straight to the hop up just like an M4) because the main downside of this gun to me is the weight, so HPAing it would solve both problems, performance and a lot of weight reduction (cuz what weights a lot on this gun is the entire gearbox).
Ah yes, the good ol broken tappet post in a DSG. You need to thin the tappet fin where the sector picks it up in order to keep that from happening, learned that one from my homie midwest tech. I made my own video on my vector after i got my set of mutations gears and my t238 where i show exactly what i mean ablut the tappet fin
I wouldn't do that cuz if you shorten the side of the fin it won't pull back the nozzle 100% which results in feeding issues, you would then need to use a shorter than usual nozzle which in turn will result in poor nozzle-bucking seal. And in a dsg build eigther feeding issues or poor seal will break your neck
built a great dsg off this platform had to replace the tappet plate and the cylinder head because that krytac padding is terrible. also cut the sector arl and bevel arl that reversed the gears when going to safe. prolly have about 3000 hours just on vectors
my tappet plate arm holding the nozzle doesn't have enough space to move back to let the tappet plate move forward, causing the tappet plate leg to bend still even after filing the channel down.
2 months later I'm rewatching this (I love teching video to get sleepy and your's are awesome hahahaha) and I have a doubt: After you milled the hole where the pin of the tappet goes, it could move further backwards, preventing it bending and even breaking the tappet. Then I tought about the piece that goes on the right side of the gearbox that link the tappet with the part that pushes the nozzle, the slight curve link (At 5:26, you can see, the part that goes on the channel below the wire sticker, that links the tappet with the nozzle thing)... If you filled the gearbox hole making room for the tappet to go further back, isn't it necessary to do that on the curve piece too? because the hole of the gearbox and the piece are the same, aren't they? If so, then the tappet go all the way to the back now, isntead of the gearbox making the tappet pin bend, now the curve linkage would do that, right? Hope you understand what I mean...
where did u learn the stuff abt optimal motor tpa, gear ratio, spring rate etc. i know the basics but how do u optimize. how do u find out what a good spring rate is for a specific set up etc??
I do not know what an optimal motor tpa is, I just prefer higher-ish TPA when working in brushed motors because I'm a sucker for torque. I pick the spring that pushes the piston fast enough to dodge PME and gives me enough energy out the muzzle
My "workstation" is practically everything you see on camera here. It's a tiny little amazon basics desk next to my main computer desk, but I'll consider cleaning up a bit and showcasing my jank setup!
In higher stress builds, the spur's larger side's bearings tend to explode due to the forces it gets subjected to so I don't put bearings there for anything spicy. The bevel on the other hand is on the speed side of the gear ratio so it doesn't experience nearly as high shock or force so he's fine to be bearings. That's also the gear that benefits the most from bearings. The other gears spin about one time a cycle and MUCH slower. My sr25 only pulls an sp120 so it's all bearings.
I love tinkering, so this much is pretty normal. Airsoft gearboxes aren't actually that complicated. Just a few gears spinning, some springs, and orings.
what did you mean by silver ptfe? is that a superior wire? I don't know too much about electronics other than the dead basics of soldering and rewiring.
This is anecdotal, so take it with a grain of salt, but I've had bad experiences with Perun's silicone stranded wiring. One instance, I swapped my leviathan out for a perun and clicker on my sr25, and the motor was being starved; I could hear it struggling to spin up to speed, and this is with the exact same shimming. My only explanation is silicone wiring in this gauge has too much resistance. Replaced with silver ptfe and my problems went away. It's also way easier to mold and route
Have you had any magazine feeding issues with the max unit? I had one and I had to be picky about which mags I used. It was a great hop up unit otherwise.
What would you recommend to get a vector quieter? Im getting one soon and would like to do some small ish upgrades to make is quieter as i dont want everyone to know where i am. Would shimming be enough or do you recommend other things.
for an aeg, shim everything that has a gear, use a helical bevel/pinion, weaker spring and slower cycle for the longer dwell time, use rubber pads for aoe instead of plastic shims to dampen the piston slap, get the right volume ratio so you don't generate a massive pop out the front or find a muzzle solution to absorb extra energy
@@exileaviation that's a good point! I'll be honest my shimming isn't as good as I'd like it to be because I didn't mill the bevel slot deeper, but you can get the same sound as me without that
Why do u use that cylinder. Is not better to use a cylinder with hole more near to cylinder head? i take into consideration the lenght of your inner barrel
Felipe is correct, it's quite a long video and so it takes awhile to ready the 1080p version for you guys. I actually meant to schedule the release so it'd be ready to go by the time you see it, but I misclicked 😛 And my tech videos are like 2x zoom so it looks even worse without the 1080 canvas 😭
It's 3d printed! It should be able to hold any weapon lights that mimic the surefire scout formfactor with a bit of modifying on the rear endcap. You can find the files here: drive.google.com/drive/u/2/folders/1Xu4JkHhuWHcr08XIBaTuc182Sna1FWKD Yeah, it's *almost* like the originals. It's unfortunately a bit longer and pokes out the front.
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This is a mega useful video for me to watch since my dsg gearset is coming on Monday and I'm going to outfit my vector with it.
Good luck! lmk if you have any issues or concerns!
loved the breakdown defiantly gonna use it as inspiration for upgrading my stock aeg vector
good videos my friend, best discovery of 2024 so far
I'm just looking at this happy to have a HPA gun, I could never do this shit. Respect to those who can.
was not expecting Ina's TOMORROW in this video.
This video is too damn long
** wtf, i swear i had a caption at 25:16. That pinion is TOO DEEP.
TH-cam has been pushing long form dude. Embrace it
awesome vid maybe now i am inspired to dust off my aeg vector and put it to use
These videos are awesome! So glad I found your channel!
11:17 Yes, you will loose some volume, but only if you have full cylinder. If you have hole in your cylinder and your shimmed piston opens the hole anyway, you still have the same volume. Adding pad on piston head in gun with hole in cylinder leads to volume loss, shimming piston doesn't (as long as your piston head clears the hole, doesn't matter how much). With full cylinders you loose volume in both cases.
I got a stock Kriss Vector that pisses me off when I try to spam the trigger and if half cycles, and I got a DSG gear laying around, your video are almost convincing me to do the same lmao But I also got a project of HPAing it with my own designed 3D printed "gearbox" (without laying the Polarstar engine diagonal, instead it will sit straight to the hop up just like an M4) because the main downside of this gun to me is the weight, so HPAing it would solve both problems, performance and a lot of weight reduction (cuz what weights a lot on this gun is the entire gearbox).
Ah yes, the good ol broken tappet post in a DSG. You need to thin the tappet fin where the sector picks it up in order to keep that from happening, learned that one from my homie midwest tech. I made my own video on my vector after i got my set of mutations gears and my t238 where i show exactly what i mean ablut the tappet fin
I may or may not be part of the group of people who started doing this early on
I wouldn't do that cuz if you shorten the side of the fin it won't pull back the nozzle 100% which results in feeding issues, you would then need to use a shorter than usual nozzle which in turn will result in poor nozzle-bucking seal. And in a dsg build eigther feeding issues or poor seal will break your neck
@@Fatman-ze9dv you're correct on a general v2 basis, but the issue stems from the different tappet cam spacing on the rocket dsg specifically
built a great dsg off this platform had to replace the tappet plate and the cylinder head because that krytac padding is terrible. also cut the sector arl and bevel arl that reversed the gears when going to safe. prolly have about 3000 hours just on vectors
YEAHHH A NEW VIDEO!!!! AND ITS 44min :O lemme get them snacks to watch
sounds great
also you should do more longer vids if you can
my tappet plate arm holding the nozzle doesn't have enough space to move back to let the tappet plate move forward, causing the tappet plate leg to bend still even after filing the channel down.
wow, Krytac's QC for these shells must be really bad. I guess you'd be forced to remove material on that slot, too.
Man takes his screwdrivers seriously.
I've gotten tired of screwing myself with crappy ones. Never again!
@@j-airsoftwhat screwdrivers are they? Might snag some myself and give my old ones to family
@@sithknight7740 brand is Wera, I like all of their stuff
also you are wrong about compressible volume with the shim tho
2 months later I'm rewatching this (I love teching video to get sleepy and your's are awesome hahahaha) and I have a doubt: After you milled the hole where the pin of the tappet goes, it could move further backwards, preventing it bending and even breaking the tappet. Then I tought about the piece that goes on the right side of the gearbox that link the tappet with the part that pushes the nozzle, the slight curve link (At 5:26, you can see, the part that goes on the channel below the wire sticker, that links the tappet with the nozzle thing)... If you filled the gearbox hole making room for the tappet to go further back, isn't it necessary to do that on the curve piece too? because the hole of the gearbox and the piece are the same, aren't they? If so, then the tappet go all the way to the back now, isntead of the gearbox making the tappet pin bend, now the curve linkage would do that, right? Hope you understand what I mean...
I checked that as well, there's more space for the linkage to move than the pin
@@j-airsoft Ohhh thats awesome to read!! Nice!!
Be carefoul with that piston head,it usually cracks
beginning of video i think i will build a vector 20 mins in you know what i dont think i will.
should have you work on my airsoft gun. its like 6 years old. all i know it has a BTC Spectre MK2 mosfet. the rest i dont remember
Can i ask what’s that thing looks like a syringe with the red top you were using when you were soldering the wires and what is it for?
The thingy that goes PLOP! ? Solder sucker, slurps up the liquid solder when cleaning a joint
@@j-airsoft yea that lol
where did u learn the stuff abt optimal motor tpa, gear ratio, spring rate etc. i know the basics but how do u optimize. how do u find out what a good spring rate is for a specific set up etc??
I do not know what an optimal motor tpa is, I just prefer higher-ish TPA when working in brushed motors because I'm a sucker for torque.
I pick the spring that pushes the piston fast enough to dodge PME and gives me enough energy out the muzzle
that tappet plate mod is so weird.
would you ever sell this gun or possibly create a similar build with the same vector base? im interested lol
I would, but commissions are currently closed, sorry!!
@@j-airsoft is there any way i could contact u somewhere else? Instagram or something?
Do you think you could show us your workstation and some of the tools you use as well please?
My "workstation" is practically everything you see on camera here. It's a tiny little amazon basics desk next to my main computer desk, but I'll consider cleaning up a bit and showcasing my jank setup!
@@j-airsoft awesome man, can’t wait! love your videos, they’re fr like asmr to me lmaoooo
Im very new to AEG tech work, why wouldn't you replace all the bushings with bearings instead of just a few?
In higher stress builds, the spur's larger side's bearings tend to explode due to the forces it gets subjected to so I don't put bearings there for anything spicy. The bevel on the other hand is on the speed side of the gear ratio so it doesn't experience nearly as high shock or force so he's fine to be bearings. That's also the gear that benefits the most from bearings. The other gears spin about one time a cycle and MUCH slower. My sr25 only pulls an sp120 so it's all bearings.
How did you learn to do and understand all of this?
I love tinkering, so this much is pretty normal. Airsoft gearboxes aren't actually that complicated. Just a few gears spinning, some springs, and orings.
what did you mean by silver ptfe? is that a superior wire? I don't know too much about electronics other than the dead basics of soldering and rewiring.
This is anecdotal, so take it with a grain of salt, but I've had bad experiences with Perun's silicone stranded wiring. One instance, I swapped my leviathan out for a perun and clicker on my sr25, and the motor was being starved; I could hear it struggling to spin up to speed, and this is with the exact same shimming. My only explanation is silicone wiring in this gauge has too much resistance. Replaced with silver ptfe and my problems went away. It's also way easier to mold and route
Have you had any magazine feeding issues with the max unit? I had one and I had to be picky about which mags I used. It was a great hop up unit otherwise.
no issues, but i have Maple super feeds in these mags
What stock is that I really like it.
I think it was a strike industries stock. Got it off evike.
Uhhh howd you get binary
Perun's ETU, you can program semi through five rd burst and binary per fire mode.
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@@6.5x14 👋i figured out the perun thing on the v2. Hesitant to do it on a brushless motor though
your hopup did you need to modify it in anyway ?
nope, I modified the shell instead. A lot of filing to get a square notch to fit it
how much for the total upgrade?
What would you recommend to get a vector quieter? Im getting one soon and would like to do some small ish upgrades to make is quieter as i dont want everyone to know where i am. Would shimming be enough or do you recommend other things.
for an aeg, shim everything that has a gear, use a helical bevel/pinion, weaker spring and slower cycle for the longer dwell time, use rubber pads for aoe instead of plastic shims to dampen the piston slap, get the right volume ratio so you don't generate a massive pop out the front or find a muzzle solution to absorb extra energy
Got it thanks
Do you have any links to the tools you use?
Whatd you actually solder on the board, that confused me.
I just replaced the original wires, they were nasty
J! Do you have a Discord Channel? Cant enter the link on your YT channel...
The link on my channel just goes to discord's website, the title of the link is my username
If I do a dsg with my build, should I get the lonex spiral or keep everything stock except for the sector gear?
if you're doing a budget build just the sector, but if you're going premium definitely get a spiral
@@j-airsoft all I'm worried about is having to mill the gearbox. I have the tools to mill, but I want to avoid if I can
@@exileaviation that's a good point! I'll be honest my shimming isn't as good as I'd like it to be because I didn't mill the bevel slot deeper, but you can get the same sound as me without that
first view and comment lets goooo
Why do u use that cylinder. Is not better to use a cylinder with hole more near to cylinder head? i take into consideration the lenght of your inner barrel
the piston never touches the actual port because it doesn't pull back as far so it has no effect
What is the blue thing on the gearbox?
7:00
why 360p only :c ?
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Felipe is correct, it's quite a long video and so it takes awhile to ready the 1080p version for you guys. I actually meant to schedule the release so it'd be ready to go by the time you see it, but I misclicked 😛 And my tech videos are like 2x zoom so it looks even worse without the 1080 canvas 😭
What's that light mount you got? its lovely and almost like the original light post you used to slot into the original vectors?
It's 3d printed! It should be able to hold any weapon lights that mimic the surefire scout formfactor with a bit of modifying on the rear endcap.
You can find the files here:
drive.google.com/drive/u/2/folders/1Xu4JkHhuWHcr08XIBaTuc182Sna1FWKD
Yeah, it's *almost* like the originals. It's unfortunately a bit longer and pokes out the front.
good videos my friend, best discovery of 2024 so far