alternate title: dude flips his airsoft gun back and forth for 12 minutes M4 playlist: th-cam.com/play/PLOQxGRqn9AUMMSdjf4HfGn8OJGSBMSoDE.html EDIT: I've modified the killflash to accept a little lexan circle for actual protection, and replaced the back end with a krytac pdw stock as seen in the cqb video
Cool build. I would've been a little pissed if I was that kid who got full auto'd when you bumped your switch though. Maybe consider using the Leviathan's ROF selector when playing semi only indoor fields to set it to something more reasonable.
Thank you for the detailed description of your internals, the issues you encountered and your solutions to it. I never thought that x ring piston head is a thing, I will try that out for sure. Hope you get good footage without feeding issues soon lmao
i have a theory that the retro arms tappets flex upwards and prevent reliable feeding in some cases. the material is very nice otherwise though so I'm going to continue testing various mods to see what can get them going but.. guarder is pretty king
ooh, that would definitely do it, especially on dsg length fins I also just caliper'd them, my RA tappet, the part that sits in the guide rails, is thinner by about .15mm along Z; somehow shimming it downwards might work! Problem would be longevity of the mod ig
Nice video buddy the gun sounds amazing. The apache does have its limitations, with my mp5 it took a m160 and some spacers to get the fps right. More so a bragging part at this point. The xring fps head is def the best currently and even Lemons is based on it. Although I'm curious if cylinderports could hurt xrings in full stroke builds ( I haven had any issues in dsgs). Also what's the rpm on the t238? I might swap my 416 30k ronin to a 45k to go back to the 60rps. Well have to do a m4 day next time and get some good footage!
Their site reports my model does about 25800 under load; which, is about 78% of its unloaded 33000 rpm, and my Levi is clocking 55rps. My math is giving me about 50 with their number (25800 / 60 / 17 * 2) so that kind of tracks. They seem to have a red accent can now that pulls 39000rpm, maybe 30,420 under load? Yeah you definitely deserve the bragging rights for that apache build. I'll be joining you eventually 😭 Im worried about the xring getting snipped by ported cylinders, but if you properly deburr the port(s), I don't think it'll care
Hello, i have been upgrading my DSG slowly and have gotten to a point where it is a 18:1 shs DSG, Retro arms gearbox, and a Jefftron Leviathan Optical mosfet. I currently have gone threw a couple motors and i am using a krytac 30k right now. Im looking to get a brushless motor was looking at the warhead motors. Your build is similar just 16:1, and heard you say in a TH-cam short that something happened to your warhead ESC, and that you are using a t238 brushless motor right now. What motor and speed would you recommend, just want it to be reliable and have good semi response and low semi current, no budget. (doesn't have to fit exact description)
Warheads are pretty efficient, but this M4 with its 33K T238 is drawing about 30A as reported by my Leviathan for a semi cycle. The T238 motors also have a neat potentiometer on the back of the can that you can dial to lower its RPM. Lower RPM, lower draw. I did a few tests: i.imgur.com/DkgrAnL.png (I actually tweaked the sector shimming a bit after this picture was taken, and I draw a bit less now)
It really is just trial and error, then you get a rough length and profile you know should work, and you start from there in the future. The exact length and profile gotta be tuned per build since things never line up the same, but typically: Nozzle must seat against hop rubber, so the tappet needs to rest forward enough Nozzle must clear the feed tube, so tappet needs to get pulled back enough Nozzle might bounce off the rubber so you need to cut an angle in the tappet so it more gently releases Magazine might not feed fast enough, then you cut it even shorter
The Cyma Platinum receiver could hold another buffer tube set it with a screw??, I was thinking about buy that receiver but i didn’t find in stock the buffer tube
Hi, i just needed to ask bout the dsg. I once tried to use it without any adjustments and it suprisingly didnt shoot, i know its bcuz of the air and smthin, but i dunno what you did and how it works so... Could you explain it please?
Question, why even buy the Cyma in the first place if you’re just basically doing a ground up build? It seems like you paid $270 for just the rail hahah
Thank you. I have PME with my Warhead 52k on semi (precock) with 14:1 8T dsg. No problem with any brushed motor (I use m120 SHS for 1J). Maybe I should try a Warhead 20k or T238 ?
@@Oth.ela8 It's recommended to use at least an m150 spring for DSGs in general, even for 18:1 ratio, because you have to get the piston out of the way at least twice as fast as an SSG. You should up the spring and short stroke if you need to lower your FPS. Remove one tooth at a time, from pickup. If you slow down your motor, you're defeating the purpose of making a DSG, in my opinion.
@@j-airsoft Yea I know this. I’m just looking for the perfect alchemy without trying every expansive brushless motor xD. I don’t use burst or auto, and 99% precock DSG is unquestionably the best feeling for an AEG on semi (and that’s what I’m looking for : the feeling). I achieved the ultimate build with brushed. Now I explore brushless, and his limits. I dislike SS on DSG, but I’ll try.
Get a good screw driver set, LTT or Wera are my suggestions. Stripping screws is the worst. Make sure to have a #2 Philips and a range of hex/torx bits. Oh and maintain your patience so you don't break anything! For everything else more specific, there are better videos by better techs on this platform!
Good thing to have taken out the apache,this system is pure shit,as you said you lose a lot of energy (air volume,and air in general that goes out from the bb feeding thop part) and the pme increases drastically,only that is'n seenable because of the harder spring that the system requires And if that weren't enought,the bbs flyes everywere,it gives an embarassing shooting For me is rhe worst system ever invented in all the airsoft history,in a single word,awful,as all the other fuckinaztech product
for the flashlight, you can just replace the glass to make it more useful. make sure it zoom perfectly 👍
alternate title: dude flips his airsoft gun back and forth for 12 minutes
M4 playlist: th-cam.com/play/PLOQxGRqn9AUMMSdjf4HfGn8OJGSBMSoDE.html
EDIT: I've modified the killflash to accept a little lexan circle for actual protection, and replaced the back end with a krytac pdw stock as seen in the cqb video
Sounds and looks so awesome!!💪🔥
Cool build. I would've been a little pissed if I was that kid who got full auto'd when you bumped your switch though. Maybe consider using the Leviathan's ROF selector when playing semi only indoor fields to set it to something more reasonable.
I straight up disabled it! Had a couple run-ins after this.
Thank you for the detailed description of your internals, the issues you encountered and your solutions to it.
I never thought that x ring piston head is a thing, I will try that out for sure. Hope you get good footage without feeding issues soon lmao
I remember smacking into a wall with a Krytac body and body the top & bottom receiver cracked
well don't smack into the wall!
i have a theory that the retro arms tappets flex upwards and prevent reliable feeding in some cases. the material is very nice otherwise though so I'm going to continue testing various mods to see what can get them going but.. guarder is pretty king
ooh, that would definitely do it, especially on dsg length fins
I also just caliper'd them, my RA tappet, the part that sits in the guide rails, is thinner by about .15mm along Z; somehow shimming it downwards might work! Problem would be longevity of the mod ig
Nice video buddy the gun sounds amazing. The apache does have its limitations, with my mp5 it took a m160 and some spacers to get the fps right. More so a bragging part at this point. The xring fps head is def the best currently and even Lemons is based on it. Although I'm curious if cylinderports could hurt xrings in full stroke builds ( I haven had any issues in dsgs). Also what's the rpm on the t238? I might swap my 416 30k ronin to a 45k to go back to the 60rps. Well have to do a m4 day next time and get some good footage!
Their site reports my model does about 25800 under load; which, is about 78% of its unloaded 33000 rpm, and my Levi is clocking 55rps. My math is giving me about 50 with their number (25800 / 60 / 17 * 2) so that kind of tracks. They seem to have a red accent can now that pulls 39000rpm, maybe 30,420 under load?
Yeah you definitely deserve the bragging rights for that apache build. I'll be joining you eventually 😭
Im worried about the xring getting snipped by ported cylinders, but if you properly deburr the port(s), I don't think it'll care
how to make the sound like this? is it the sound of a motor or gears or other details? pls HELLLLPPPP
Hello, i have been upgrading my DSG slowly and have gotten to a point where it is a 18:1 shs DSG, Retro arms gearbox, and a Jefftron Leviathan Optical mosfet. I currently have gone threw a couple motors and i am using a krytac 30k right now. Im looking to get a brushless motor was looking at the warhead motors. Your build is similar just 16:1, and heard you say in a TH-cam short that something happened to your warhead ESC, and that you are using a t238 brushless motor right now. What motor and speed would you recommend, just want it to be reliable and have good semi response and low semi current, no budget. (doesn't have to fit exact description)
Warheads are pretty efficient, but this M4 with its 33K T238 is drawing about 30A as reported by my Leviathan for a semi cycle. The T238 motors also have a neat potentiometer on the back of the can that you can dial to lower its RPM. Lower RPM, lower draw.
I did a few tests:
i.imgur.com/DkgrAnL.png
(I actually tweaked the sector shimming a bit after this picture was taken, and I draw a bit less now)
Idk what I just watched but it was amazing and I’d pay u to build me a just just like that
How are you determining how much to cut off on your tappet plate? Have so much issue with my dsg build dealing with tappet plate length.
It really is just trial and error, then you get a rough length and profile you know should work, and you start from there in the future.
The exact length and profile gotta be tuned per build since things never line up the same, but typically:
Nozzle must seat against hop rubber, so the tappet needs to rest forward enough
Nozzle must clear the feed tube, so tappet needs to get pulled back enough
Nozzle might bounce off the rubber so you need to cut an angle in the tappet so it more gently releases
Magazine might not feed fast enough, then you cut it even shorter
What are ur settings for your etu, iam doing a very similar build and kinda want a general idea of settings
The Cyma Platinum receiver could hold another buffer tube set it with a screw??, I was thinking about buy that receiver but i didn’t find in stock the buffer tube
Yeah, it can take standard tubes, so long as you have a longer screw and the tube has the internal lip to hold little washer thing.
@@j-airsoft thank uuuuu, you give me hope again, and pretty nice jobs, i love them
Hi, i just needed to ask bout the dsg. I once tried to use it without any adjustments and it suprisingly didnt shoot, i know its bcuz of the air and smthin, but i dunno what you did and how it works so... Could you explain it please?
You need a lot of adjustments to get a DSG working
Do you use a key mod for the handle
No that’s MLOK
yo jay what is the mount you have for your pressure switch I have the same flashlight
It's a feyachi crappy Amazon light and feyachi inline mount
Question, why even buy the Cyma in the first place if you’re just basically doing a ground up build? It seems like you paid $270 for just the rail hahah
It didn't exactly go to plan... 😅
@@j-airsoft Fair enough! That’s sometimes how it goes. I was just watching from part 1 to now like 🤨🤨🤨
Hi ! I saw you SS 2 teeth. But do you have PME with 8T dsg and your setup ? (With precock) Thank you.
no pme with 8T. My FPS was too high for my CQB field with 8 so I took two off
Thank you. I have PME with my Warhead 52k on semi (precock) with 14:1 8T dsg. No problem with any brushed motor (I use m120 SHS for 1J). Maybe I should try a Warhead 20k or T238 ?
@@Oth.ela8 It's recommended to use at least an m150 spring for DSGs in general, even for 18:1 ratio, because you have to get the piston out of the way at least twice as fast as an SSG. You should up the spring and short stroke if you need to lower your FPS. Remove one tooth at a time, from pickup.
If you slow down your motor, you're defeating the purpose of making a DSG, in my opinion.
@@j-airsoft Yea I know this. I’m just looking for the perfect alchemy without trying every expansive brushless motor xD. I don’t use burst or auto, and 99% precock DSG is unquestionably the best feeling for an AEG on semi (and that’s what I’m looking for : the feeling). I achieved the ultimate build with brushed. Now I explore brushless, and his limits. I dislike SS on DSG, but I’ll try.
Which better t238 brushless or warhead base ?
T238 by miles
@@j-airsoft doesnt the t238 heat up quickly?
@@RifaiCidok it heats up? only my brushed motors have heat issues
I think you overdid it tbh
is ur motor turned down?
nop
Do you have any tips for someone who wants to get into teching?
Get a good screw driver set, LTT or Wera are my suggestions. Stripping screws is the worst. Make sure to have a #2 Philips and a range of hex/torx bits. Oh and maintain your patience so you don't break anything! For everything else more specific, there are better videos by better techs on this platform!
@@j-airsoft okay thanks
What do you use to shim your motor shafts?
aluminum tape is what I currently use
What compression set up do you use?
Parts list in the description!
Full price?
Quickly going over my parts list in the description I estimated about $700 in internals and about $1070 overall in the final platform
Good thing to have taken out the apache,this system is pure shit,as you said you lose a lot of energy (air volume,and air in general that goes out from the bb feeding thop part) and the pme increases drastically,only that is'n seenable because of the harder spring that the system requires
And if that weren't enought,the bbs flyes everywere,it gives an embarassing shooting
For me is rhe worst system ever invented in all the airsoft history,in a single word,awful,as all the other fuckinaztech product
I use aztech shims and their ARL, not all bad products! And the tappetless setup was still a fun experiment
Theyr shims are overpriced and the actual arl could be good but the first version were butter😅
copied your build and didnt regret it. performs the exact same lmfao
Let's gooo!!!
I am tryna do this too, I suck at this lol