"My Arguments for Catholicism" Refuted: Plus Libertarian Fantasy Island & Infinite Universe Chats

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  • @Mstislaw-r3w
    @Mstislaw-r3w 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +83

    Trent Horn might be thinking that ''Triad'' is a Chinese mafia or something.

    • @christheodorou3646
      @christheodorou3646 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      😂

    • @Nick-ij5nt
      @Nick-ij5nt 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      hahahahahhaa

    • @treadstoned9915
      @treadstoned9915 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Who in here know Ricky Tan?

    • @jayceeregis
      @jayceeregis 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@treadstoned9915 That’s how I’ve been getting the Funko Pops in…don’t tell…

  • @glitchyrhythm6749
    @glitchyrhythm6749 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +114

    How the hell did I miss this entire thing? I swear YT does this on purpose man. Five hour stream and I’m just seeing it. It’s not the first time this happened. So annoying I needed something from my work out and it’s only just appearing

    • @sorrysirmygunisoneba
      @sorrysirmygunisoneba 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Yeah it does it quite often now with channels, try resub to this one with notifications turned on.

    • @nit2266
      @nit2266 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      same for him, i didnt see this at all, not even in my notification tab

    • @lizsmith5901
      @lizsmith5901 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Its the next day for me and I just now got the notification

    • @JayDyer
      @JayDyer  18 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

      turn on notifications

    • @slowboywhiteboardv4
      @slowboywhiteboardv4 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Yeah they do. I watched last night live, hit the thumbs up. Came back this morning to finish up, and of course, thumb's not clicked. Had to return a third time after running errands, guess what? Thumb had to be clicked a third time. TH-cam numbers are all fake anyway. It's just annoying.

  • @Jolomon
    @Jolomon 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

    5:05 Music ends
    1:46:14 Call ins

    • @Logistikon_
      @Logistikon_ 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      1:26:20 milky stuff

  • @THESMARTERMAN555
    @THESMARTERMAN555 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +38

    Stop worrying about views Jay. Keep doing you. You really helped me with the pre-sup. I often ask people questions why they believe the things they do and 99% can't answer or give really poor answers that can easily be refuted, especially when it comes to morality.

    • @ThumbKnuckle
      @ThumbKnuckle 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      Streams always lose views when you stream at inconsistent times, people expect to tune into it like a TV show at a particular time of day, I usually catch these at 2x speed after they're over

    • @xamunchkin
      @xamunchkin 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@ThumbKnuckle Or we can just play them in the background when we’re doing our daily routines. I notice that my brain automatically selects the most important issue of the debate/convo and zeros in on the arguments from there. Questioning the common basic presuppositions are so easy when you have a valid format to work with. Jay gives a great one because it directly confronts the secularist failure of proof without justification.

  • @kingattila506
    @kingattila506 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    Your insight on how you approach debate was eye-opening and I won’t forget it. Thanks for another badass stream. No one else does what you do. God bless you brother and merry Christmas.

  • @beesh8702
    @beesh8702 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

    Another banger stream as always. Thank you for making videos on various topics especially about the Orientals. Because of those videos, I will be talking with the Antiochian Priest of the parish next to my house to God willing be Chrismated and converted, I'm grateful for your and David Erhan's videos.

    • @XiHamORTHOCN
      @XiHamORTHOCN 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Glory to God

  • @eyiladeogoadedayo
    @eyiladeogoadedayo 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +57

    W Stream Jay
    From Nigeria💪🏼

  • @Jhadar
    @Jhadar 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

    1:40:00 "The Vatican Apostolic Archive houses an estimated *16 million pages* of documents, including papal documents. This vast collection spans centuries of Church history."

    • @Jhadar
      @Jhadar 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      "B-but the keys the keys!!"

  • @orthoclips2k24
    @orthoclips2k24 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +56

    Jay, your live streams are coming so fast, I can’t keep up with making clips 😂

  • @katiek.8808
    @katiek.8808 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

    There should never be faq catechumen questions. Everytime someone calls in with one I think “They haven’t gone to church.”

    • @tyler_williams330
      @tyler_williams330 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      right, many call in to ask Jay things they should ask their parish clergy

    • @katiek.8808
      @katiek.8808 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @ yes that’s why I don’t think they have clergy. I found this all very simple.
      I found Jay a couple years ago on Alex. He mentioned Orthodoxy coupled with hearing Andrew mention it sent me on a search. Two videos one from Jay and one from Father Peter Heers and our whole family was in Church.
      Do I still watch Jay to learn? Yes
      But I take all my questions to Church where they belong.

    • @Limelight3388
      @Limelight3388 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes, this is true but a lot of areas don’t have an Orthodox Church for hours in any direction. I’m lucky to live in an area with 2 churches within 5-15 mins from me. Not everybody is that lucky, I’m on a telegram inquirers page that sometimes I’m just ready to bash my head over the desk reading the stuff people say, only later to realize that it’s some 12 year old kid in a middle eastern country who loves Christ and His church, but will literally risk being murdered by his own family members if he voices his desires for that. Thank God we have a good priest in the chat answering questions and being very patient

  • @dallasferguson2296
    @dallasferguson2296 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Love me some Jay. He has a way of explaining complex ideas very well.

  • @kyriakosathanasiadis7970
    @kyriakosathanasiadis7970 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Thank you Jay we appreciate you. Your debates are food for thought.
    I miss the guy who shares the timestamps in the comments!

  • @BigDanT1221
    @BigDanT1221 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    We don't come here for the "Calming, Soothing and Loving Jay". We come here for Hostile Jay lol

  • @Avid88497
    @Avid88497 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

    Jay's Ybarra impression always kills me 1:58:13 😂

    • @deusvult6259
      @deusvult6259 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Avid88497 yeah its decent ngl... but remember when Ybarra crushed him on Roman Supremacy like 5 years ago?

    • @Avid88497
      @Avid88497 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ You mean when Ybarra couldn’t even understand the types of arguments Jay was making?

    • @deusvult6259
      @deusvult6259 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Avid88497 no I don't mean that. Difference of epistemologies was the only argument he landed on 💀

    • @Avid88497
      @Avid88497 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@deusvult6259 Erick couldn’t understand that the Papal system is much more fragile than the Orthodox one. All it takes is one contradiction and the whole thing falls

    • @deusvult6259
      @deusvult6259 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Avid88497 yes I am aware that Orthos keep asserting this. It isn't true. There have been anti-popes throughout history. The truth is unbothered.

  • @owensullivan252
    @owensullivan252 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    1:10:38 This is a great point. If according to Pope Benedict XVI we have kept the Catholic Christian faith, and if according to them we have graciously sacraments, then the implication is that we do not need the pope.

  • @greensoldier2142
    @greensoldier2142 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    16:06 You should've asked for an OPPRESSO, you are putting too many brothas and sistas down. Yakub would be proud of you.

  • @vladimirkraynyk
    @vladimirkraynyk 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Super appreciate the late night stream Jay

  • @doulike7thchords
    @doulike7thchords 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Many will enter, few will win. Don’t change: don’t stop: love you Jay 💜

  • @TheBirdCreatedByJesus
    @TheBirdCreatedByJesus 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    Merry Christmas Jay! 🎉

  • @wartimemodels
    @wartimemodels 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    It’s not enough to tie “the keys” to Peter. The big RC error is equating every reference to Peter to refer to the Bishop of Rome. To them, one means the other, but there’s connectivity required between Peter as an apostle, to Peter as a bishop, to Peter as bishop of Rome, and then to every successor of Peters in that specific office. Antioch is Petrine as well. Christ never mentions Rome. Pentecost also affected all apostles. Acts shows conciliarity, and Peter doesn’t rule the roost to be very blunt about it. Peter also subsequently denied Christ after “he” received the keys. It’s clear that Christ gathered a group of men to govern the church. This doesn’t even get into the very obvious politicos context that prompted the rise in papal claims, I.e., the increased political role of the bishop of Rome was due in part to it taking on greater authority in reaction to the barbarian conquests in the West.

  • @pavelcrestin1
    @pavelcrestin1 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    The irony is that in Cantate Domino Nestorius is "anathematised".
    So much for Voice of Reason saying that Efesus made a mistake when anathematised Nestorius..

    • @JayDyer
      @JayDyer  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Absolutely

  • @DasBeard
    @DasBeard 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I have been a Catholic for only about a year now. Some of the questions Jay is addressing has started creeping into my head lately.

    • @t.l.ciottoli4319
      @t.l.ciottoli4319 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      I became Byzantine Catholic, thinking I could have the best of both worlds. I was wrong. I left Rome for Orthodoxy eight years ago and have never looked back. 1000% the right choice. Papism is false. Go read Abbe Guettee’s “The Papacy.”. An ex-Roman Catholic priest from France, a scholar in church history in France, he began to see clearly in the history of the French church that Papalism and Papal Supremacy and Papal Infallibility exited nowhere in its history. He converted to Holy Orthodoxy. Go read that book and free yourself from the lies and distortions and fabrications of Rome and ignorant and/or dishonest papal
      apologists.

    • @DasBeard
      @DasBeard 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @ thank you, I think I will. Funny you mention that because I was considering a visit to a Byz Cath church. If you don’t mind sharing, what disappointed you about the Byz Caths and what made you finally convert to EO?

    • @t.l.ciottoli4319
      @t.l.ciottoli4319 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@DasBeard I was undecided between Orthodoxy and Romanism, but knew Protestantism was not the True Faith. I was leaning heavily towards Romanism due mainly to the fact I was reading and listening mainly to Papal apologists, bloggers, and content creators, one or two of whom I had followed for years for their political and financial commentary. Being a sinner with a lot of vices and inpulsiveness and impatience, I eventually decided to place my questions about Orthodoxy on the backburner, trust these papal apolgists who spoke with such great confidence in the truth and superiority of their position, assuming they must have truly done their homework on these topics, as they had done w non-religious topics like finance and politics, and go with Rome. I conciously decided to answer other questions later so I could “get on with life.” Plus I am a Westerner and decided it would be better to have access to much larger Roman Catholic communities, dating pools, etc., and stay close to my ethnic roots as a Westerner. But the Divine Liturgy has already planted its seed in me after a visit to a Russian church while living abroad. There Inhad felt and sensed something of the divine, palpably. I wanted that Liturgy and already knew what problems there were w the Novus Ordo liturgies. After two years of mostly Byzantine Sundays, with a lot of Novus Ordo weekday services, of practicign the faith diligently, being a nigh-daily communicant, oraying the Rosary almost every day, busting my arse to go above and beyond while living in the world, a series of events occurred during and after which I realized very starkly that I had no Peace. One particular moment the demons had their way w me. How could this be? Christ said He came to bring us Peace. I had none. I prayed to Mother Mary and God for several weeks, intensely, and after a few weeks and begging fir answers, God brought back to the forefront of my mind those questions I had never answered: those questions about Holy Orthodoxy. A few articles and videos later and it all clicked, made so much sense, and I had my answer: Orthodoxy was the True Faith and the True Church. All the other arguments and proofs against Papism and for Orthodoxy came later, and further solidified and confirmed what I had discovered through experience: Romanism is false and its sacraments lack Grace. There is no Peace, no Holy Spirit, no Saving Grace, no healing power of Our Lord, to be found in its teachings, nor its buildings, nor its holy water, nor its sacraments, nor in its priestly blessings. It is an empty shell of a para-synagogue, be it a Byzantine Rite parish and liturgy or a Roman Rite one.
      I have Peace now. Life is still difficult but I know I have a steady peace within me now that has grown and is growing in me, thru the Holy Orthodox Faith and Church and its Holy Mysteries and disciplines, and the Mercy and Grace which pours forth to is Orthodox who struggle to stay on the Royal Path, who genuinely seek the Lord, however imperfectly.

    • @t.l.ciottoli4319
      @t.l.ciottoli4319 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@DasBeard I had no issues with Byzantine Rite Catholicism at the time. I only learned much more about Uniatism after leaving Rome and becoming Orthodox. Uniatism was a dastardly and deceptive socio-political project from the start, purely cynical meddling and plotting from Rome and Polish-Lithuanian Catholics in the religious and social lives of Polish, Lithuanian, and Carpathian Orthodox peoples. A disgistingly deceptive and physically violent project meant to trick, confuse, and outright force-convert Orthodox populations across the Rome-Orthodox borderlands.
      If that isn’t damnable enough, Uniatism proves thoroughly that Papism itself is not founded upon or respectful of any basic, foundational beliefs, not even its own, but is also a purely socio-political project meant to manipulate religion for the sake of worldly imperial goals: literal antichrist machinations for the same of a worldly empire. (TradCats lap all this up and see worldly triumphalism as proof of their faith.) Uniatism proves you can believe and profess whatever u wish as long as you bow the knee to the Pope. Period. End of story. Bow the knee, and you’re “in.” The rest doesn’t matter.

    • @tomjilek871
      @tomjilek871 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Sorry but catholism is truth and ain sorry u left it for this "orthodoxy​@@t.l.ciottoli4319

  • @johnpadenw
    @johnpadenw 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Would have given away my first child to be able to have watched this live and pay to say “unmute dude” to Jay

  • @PastaTyler
    @PastaTyler 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    W stream as usual, hope your head feels better after this 💀

  • @ThumbKnuckle
    @ThumbKnuckle 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Stream at a consistent time on specific days and more people will watch and tune in...

  • @VainFriggus
    @VainFriggus 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    1:46:13 Call-ins (starting with me)

  • @LazyStarrfish
    @LazyStarrfish 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    Thanks for the long stream, Jay. When will you be delivering Funkopops to all of the good little boys and girls?

  • @Vivat_Christus_Rex
    @Vivat_Christus_Rex 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Jay do not get disheartened. You got me into church. 90% of the converts / young men cradle reverts know who you are.
    This is in Australia too. You were influential for us, and have used ur arguments against prots + RCs as well.
    Remember, orthodoxy in US 700k to 6 mil.
    We are crushing bro keep fighting
    Merry christmas (forgive me for Greek new calendar 🤣)
    ❤❤❤

  • @Lukadonicic
    @Lukadonicic 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    W stream love your content new subscriber

  • @George-ur8ow
    @George-ur8ow 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    As a corrolary to "crazy looking hair = crazy theology", this stream made a good case for "crazy sounding voice = crazy theology"

  • @ThumbKnuckle
    @ThumbKnuckle 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    4:37:21, This guy sounds like the Thermians from Galaxy Quest Lmao, probably one of the best sci fi movies of all time

  • @mariobaratti2985
    @mariobaratti2985 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    01:28:28 will Santa at least get a bowl of mystical milk with cookies tonight at Marshall's house?

  • @MarvinFalz
    @MarvinFalz 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Two moments made me give up believing in the libertarian utopia: 1) I realized that libertarian ideology needs institutions and institutions can be misused; 2) People have different talents and preferences and a libertarian society would probably be organized similarly to what we have now.

  • @nikstrt
    @nikstrt 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Many years to your wife Jaime, Jay!

  • @Captnsouthpaw
    @Captnsouthpaw 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    1:28:23 this is actually insane. You have to be an insane person to believe this. I’m completely perplexed.

  • @andredahl-kv9dx
    @andredahl-kv9dx 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Same here been happening to me with Jay last month or two. I'm in Sweden. I really think my secular cess Poole of a country is involved

  • @WPAOrthodox
    @WPAOrthodox 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    W for ☦️☦️☦️

  • @katiek.8808
    @katiek.8808 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Why do libertarians think they agree with the constitution?

  • @tamara6357
    @tamara6357 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    first video I'm watching ... what is that intro man 😭😂😂

  • @raymondmurillo
    @raymondmurillo 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Best part of the opening of the stream. “You have to read thousands more pages to know the faith? Thousands of pages filled with stupid stuff.”

  • @jonih1794
    @jonih1794 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    I hope Santa brings Jay a whole buncha Funkos so his harem may expand

  • @shaqy6467
    @shaqy6467 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Bring back seed form papacy

  • @Desertfox-o2x
    @Desertfox-o2x 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    3:23:28 this went crazy downhill fast

  • @Avid88497
    @Avid88497 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    3:23:00 Cant tell if im being iq gated or this guy is speaking gibberish

  • @norbertx9415
    @norbertx9415 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Jay, could ypu provide a link that shows the timelines of the forgeries used by the Catholics and perhaps something like a flow chart on how they have been used to further their claims, and the admission by them that they are in fact forgeries? Thanks.

  • @MegaMetal96
    @MegaMetal96 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    😂Jay giving the video a thumbs down had me laughing so hard

  • @alfredvickers4054
    @alfredvickers4054 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I heard a few years ago they did a film remake of Fantasy Island but it was horror. Lol

  • @romanocancellieri8500
    @romanocancellieri8500 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    Couldn't be there, sorry

  • @Nees1
    @Nees1 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Dyer opens it up @ 1:46:14

  • @Jbrec1810
    @Jbrec1810 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Jay I just watched your debate with TJump...CRYING 🤣 I cannot express to you the amount of laughter over you annihilating that goofus. THANK YOU for anyone who hasn't seen it yet, do yourself the favor th-cam.com/video/LnEDfkzx7z0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=xGxLRyzriBFbjTBc

  • @Petroupas
    @Petroupas 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Sometimes even Dyer gotta unmute!

  • @thane816
    @thane816 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Ybarra will never get an answer to Pope Vigilius, but the answer proves him wrong

    • @Sm64wii
      @Sm64wii 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Pope vigilus “argument” is almost like Protestants claiming we worship Mary.

  • @alpeincameo3723
    @alpeincameo3723 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Everyone chooses the most advantageous option for themselves, in proportion to their intelligence. This is what is called fate. Fate is not a force that sends misfortune from afar, as is thought.
    A more detailed definition of fate is in the book Flawless Things.

  • @Craftymang
    @Craftymang 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I enjoy your book and movie streams very much for the insight and discerning the spirits, but the debate streams are peak comedy when low-hanging fruit goobers get demolished 😂

  • @timmytomiltonthyfourhundred20
    @timmytomiltonthyfourhundred20 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Did you do something different with the audio on this one Jay? Had to turn you wayyyyy up. Anyway, thanks for the long stream!

  • @octaris-xe7yy
    @octaris-xe7yy 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Puh-lease tell me he plays that funko pop song!!!

  • @davidjamesflood7289
    @davidjamesflood7289 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    "what if heaven is the multi-verse" Hahaha

  • @MrAwak3
    @MrAwak3 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Jay do you have an sources for most of the Church falling into Arianism in the 4th century? Someone is asking me and I can not find the information although I’ve seen it in the past.

  • @jbpeltier
    @jbpeltier 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    That catholic bro is so goofy lmaaaooo

  • @t.l.ciottoli4319
    @t.l.ciottoli4319 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    when every word you say is filled with a stressful urgency, you are not driving your point home any better, unless you wish to convince only your teenage son or daughter to obey you and finally take their chores and homework seriously. Adults w discerning intellects, on the other hand, will not be swayed by your angst and will find you annoying and likely quite unreasonable yourself.

  • @SirBonsley
    @SirBonsley 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Jay says that Jesus gave all the apostles the same authority after it’s mentioned specifically about Saint Peter, where is that written?

    • @ETFRoss
      @ETFRoss 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Two chapters later in Matthew

    • @SirBonsley
      @SirBonsley 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @EFTRoss thank you

  • @Sighthound_Siege-z7h
    @Sighthound_Siege-z7h 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hey, Jay. How long does it usually take for your Red Book to ship?(I’m in the US)📕

    • @JayDyer
      @JayDyer  18 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      They were back ordered but are supposed to arrive here to me in a couple days, and then it will go out to you.

  • @OrangeMonke14
    @OrangeMonke14 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    In another universe, Mr. Dyer is a low effort skeptic channel with a suit avatar debunking Protestant soccer moms daily. Anything is possible in the multiverse, except for God.🌌 What would your atheist channel be called?🤔

  • @Sagoda_protf
    @Sagoda_protf 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    3:13:17 peripatetic axiom

  • @TheGuide-tg
    @TheGuide-tg 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I thought that guy used to be you in Christ-like hair style 😂😂 Just a wild thought, never mind. Let me have a fair share of the Word 🙏

  • @FunkoMonk
    @FunkoMonk 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    @ 3:30:15 Jack Black joins the call

  • @ErnstDetailing
    @ErnstDetailing 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It makes it less real due to him reading directly from a script.

  • @MS-zr6oe
    @MS-zr6oe 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I think you should debate matt slick

    • @Geradtheichigoslayer
      @Geradtheichigoslayer 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      FDA has debated him. And jay has had a funny brief "debate" with him too afterwards

  • @waitwaitwaitwaitamin
    @waitwaitwaitwaitamin 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    3:01:40

  • @TheFakeBriskeh
    @TheFakeBriskeh 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Should debate be a course in the arts?

    • @CitizenDevi
      @CitizenDevi 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Watch The Great Debaters with Denzel Washington.

  • @Craftymang
    @Craftymang 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ricky Retarbo is another good insult like Retarbo Montalbon

  • @Craftymang
    @Craftymang 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Masonic guy be like: "religions are people just making this stuff up, but what if like *hits bong* heaven is the multiverse dood and you need informed consent to visit people anyway Jay it's science"

  • @tyler_williams330
    @tyler_williams330 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    unmute bro

  • @brandonramirez924
    @brandonramirez924 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    For the Jehovahs Witness guy Kevin. I was actually regular pioneer, bethelite, and Ministerial Servant. My gf and I are now going through the process of converting to Orthodoxy. My whole family is still strongly in the Watchtower Organization.
    My tip to you is that you will have to really know your Bible. Like insanely well, they will misdirect and use scripture out of context regularly it is how we are trained to use the Bible. In order to steer a conversation and get them back on track stay with a topic and do not let them veer from it. Contextually you'll need to be very tight on your scriptural arguments. Sometimes the best approach is to let them lead and question the doctrine using the Bible. Even the New World Translation can be used against them but again you'll need to contextually know your Bible very well.
    JWs are essentially sola scriptura, you'll need to stay away from Church history and quoting any of the fathers as they look at them as essentially part of Satan's system. Unless you're arguing the Canon of the scriptures you'll be bashing your head into the wall arguing anything historic.
    I'm trying to understand my Bible along with the orthodox faith. It may take me years until I'm ready to talk to my father especially since he's been an elder for years and a pioneer along with my mother. Always remember they do not imagine themselves without the organization, it's not even just the truth of scripture as their indoctrination is very strong. Any attack on the faith even if youre nice and genuine they put up a wall mentally. So keep your cool learn your faith and your Bible.
    Keep them in the topic and learn to let them lead the conversation, they will collapse on themselves or run into a wall eventually. God bless ill pray for you and your family and if you could pray for mine I would appreciate it!
    Love never fails always remember that but love isn't soft either, learn to use it well, the best example of the truth is living your life faithfully in the true body of Christ!

  • @ReptilianRebel
    @ReptilianRebel 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    For algorithm

  • @deusvult6259
    @deusvult6259 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    And yet the first epistle in order after the Acts of the Apostles is the letter to the Church of the ROMANS 😐

    • @JayDyer
      @JayDyer  18 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      Is that supposed to prove Vatican 1? LOL

    • @t.l.ciottoli4319
      @t.l.ciottoli4319 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      from Paul, teaching the Romans, lol

    • @t.l.ciottoli4319
      @t.l.ciottoli4319 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      why is AFTER Acts, then? Why aren't the first few books of the NT letters from Popes? why not, if their teachings were infallible? why bother with any other epistles at all if your Popes were always infallible oracles? just publish them and that's that.

    • @Desertfox-o2x
      @Desertfox-o2x 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yeah the first epistle after acts is the one where, in chapter 11, it warns the Roman's could be CUT OUT of the church due to their pride.

    • @deusvult6259
      @deusvult6259 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@JayDyer no it proves Roman supremacy. It proves the Apostolic See is where the buck always stopped. ✅

  • @peanutgallery4
    @peanutgallery4 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    You can't keep running Jay

    • @JayDyer
      @JayDyer  19 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

      From what?

    • @peanutgallery4
      @peanutgallery4 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @JayDyer Epic determinism

    • @IoannisPowell
      @IoannisPowell 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

      You were determined to say this 😮

    • @Mstislaw-r3w
      @Mstislaw-r3w 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

      @@peanutgallery4 Running is good for health. What's the problem? Michael Lofton should try.

    • @jesh879
      @jesh879 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      What a joke