Warlord Games Epic Battles Waterloo Rulebook - A Closer Look
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ม.ค. 2022
- Warlord Games Epic Battles Waterloo Rulebook - A Closer Look
Epic Battles Waterloo uses the Black Powder rules system, but rather than just supply the standard Black Powder rule book, Warlord Games have edited the book to better suit the Epic range - in this video I take a closer look at the book and the changes.
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Oh wow, thanks so much for doing a review of the rulebook, great to see what's inside before I actually get it!
Cheers Mike, glad you found it interesting.
Excellent video! It's really fantastic news that Warlord put in the effort to have the Period/Battle Rulebook produced and included in the box! Talk about Added Value this one is Prime!! So, hats off to John Stallard and the Warlord Team who worked extra hard to put this book together in time for it to be included in the Box!!! I placed my Pre-Order with my local shop oddly enough named "Waterloo Miniatures"! Having watched this video, I'm really looking forward to the phone call telling me my order has arrived!! WOW!!!😃😃😃
Thank you, I was certainly impressed by the book. Hope you get that call soon 🙂
Looking forward to getting my copy, thanks for a great overview video. Looks like Warlord have really thought out the whole project and hopefully an indication of the level of product support we can expect going forward :)
I hope so, would be lovely to see more stuff in the future. I expect it’s more likely we will get different periods, but I’d love it to continue to see so well that we get new Napoleonic starters for different nations.
Great to see the Epic rules. I agree it is great that they have done a bespoke ruleset as it will help people delving into the period. I like that they have incorporated the supplement details as well
Yep very impressed, and far more than I expected to see (I thought it would just be a change in artwork and removal of some stuff).
Great video and comparison mate, nice to see they condensed it to focus. I have the La Haye Sainte farmhouse assault and that came with a whole scenario book in it and D’Erlon’s attack is from there. Top stuff mate, keep it up 😁👍
Cheers dude. Ah I knew it must be from somewhere, is that booklet worth trying to get hold of?
Thanks for doing this. I was really curious as to what was in the book, in particular the scenarios. Your making me what to pick up the starter sets damn it!! 😉
😂 You definitely should, and thank you for watching 🙂
A nice collation of all the relevant Napoleonic content. The Albion Triumphant books are great, with some fantastic painted miniatures and artwork, but to have everything needed in the starter sets is a huge win for Warlord.
I think all the scenarios are old, just from different places, there's a pdf with a couple, not sure if it was from a Warlord event or some such, again great to have everything together.
It may be a few years away, but already looking forward to ECW!
Yep a few people mentioned the scenarios are from other places, some from the Le Haye Sainte 28m set etc.
I’m hoping Epic ECW will be next 🤞
I hope it does well because I can appreciate the risk on a big project with a large up front cost.
It does cater for large battles or smaller battles with larger battalions to appreciate what an infantry battalion looks like on a battlefield.
I think it will do very well, so well we can be confident of future Epic Battles releases in other periods. But I’d love for it to do so well that they can’t ignore future expansions on this one.
This is a very tempting product all round. I know next to nothing about the Napoleonic period or gaming it, but a self contained intro like this, in plastic, is really appealing. I do think they would do well to make a smaller box with a small force for both sides. If they can do it for £60 and get it into shops like Waterstones and John Lewis for Christmas, I reckon it could be huge.
I agree, I’d have loved to have seen a stripped down two player starter with half the amount of each side in a box.
No excuses now >> th-cam.com/play/PLUOc2qodFHp-mOphKW9RzQLsFTt-IV9RY.html
Love their videos
Superb as always. Thanks.
Cheers mate 😊
Nice one and very helpful. Thx.
Thank you 😊
Great review. I'm glad the book is a stand alone version of Black Poder. I had fears that it would be necessary to have a copy of BP to play.
I'm sure at some point that the book will also be available as a stand alone product, which will do well I think. :)
Thank you. That would be nice if it were, there will be a few people who get into the same building armies using the brigade boxes rather than a starter, so it would be good to be vale to buy on its own.
Excitement mounting! I have the 28mm Waterloo set and sooo glad this rulebook is tailored to Epic. I want to shake this out of the box, paint some units and get playing. I didn’t want to have to reorganize the rules to fit this scale. Can’t wait!
They’ve definitely made it a much more rounded and complete version this time.
@@MiniatureRealms at 10:28 the photo is a reference to the movie waterloo (this is not relevant to this chaps comment my comments arnt working for some reason)
Many thanks for this. That really does look like an excellent and very well put together rule book. Wonder if they have plans to release it as a full sized hardback as well. Unlikely, but given how well put together it is, I suspect it would sell extremely well (especially if it comes with a couple of separate reference sheets included).
I’d buy a hardback edition of they did them, especially if it had an epic Napoleonic specific reference sheet. But I agree, not sure we will see that.
Personally I don't like Black Powder for Napoleonic battles (my loss - some like chocolate ice cream, I like Vanilla) but really appreciate the review. Certainly seems an excellent production. Not sure if you mentioned such but wondering if they have included some of the optional rules from booklets such as the Russian campaign booklet? I believe that particular booklet included a few optional rules that "overcame" many of my (and others) objections to the basic rules, ie; no more "ganging up" columns on the frontage of a line, no more moving three times in a single turn yet still firing with full effect, et al. Anyway, great stuff, 👍.
Thank you for watching. I haven’t had chance to read it cover to cover yet, but have r spotted those changes to the ‘core’ rules. I have all the supplements myself, and certainly plan to use those myself. I guess they see those as more optional that required changes (like the unit frontages etc), though it would have been nice - but they could be there and I’ve not seen them yet.
Great vid, very helpful.
Thank you 😊
A very nice look mate,if I do buy a starter army j look forward to looking through mine,but a very nice flip through thank you👍👍👍👍✅
Thank you for watching 😊
Nice review good to know what to expect when I finally get my delivery whenever that is going be
Hopefully not too long now, days rather than weeks. Do you have a plan for what you’re going to work on first?
Your comment got deleted by TH-cam Graham, I can see the first line in my notifications but can’t read anymore sorry.
I absolutely love this scale for a 4 x 6 table. Perfect for doing smaller engagements or a piece of a larger battle. I think in this scale you could probably do about a third of Waterloo fairly comfortably on a 4 x 6. Or a madeup scenario of a similar size.
I’ve been trying to work how much a 6x4 can take, I think in line you may only be looking at a Division or so. But if you have battalions coming on in column at different points etc, set some good objectives rather than just two lines smashing each other, then there’s space for plenty more.
@@MiniatureRealms We did some computer simulation, simply manoeuvering around a simulated 6x4. Wasn't actually that easy, especially once battalions started to open up in to line. It very soon fills up and, more importantly for me, limits the free space for cavalry and horse artillery movement and tactics. I get that WL wanted to go for the mass effect of standard Black Powder by using smaller figures, pity they didn't allow more flexibility by making the infantry sprues half as long so they could be mounted on 3 or 6cm. Probably too much work, what with the flank companies and command stands too.
@@Edward-Plantagenet why don't you aim for 10mm houses and terrain and shorten the Regts to equals just one base ?
Wish they would do the same with the Epic ACW range!
I agree, would be fantastic.
Could this be played on a smaller table? Max size of 4x6? Excellent walk through, thank you!
Yes absolutely, 6x4 is fine. You still need to be mindful of the size of the battle, as while the miniatures are small the unit frontage is still quite large, it you can still comfortably get a Divisional sized game in on that size of table.
It is interesting! I suppose if using 6mm figures like Baccus mounted 8 figures wide on a 40 mm wide base.
That would work.
So the rules included are the 'epic' scale version of the 2nd Edition? Basically get the English & French sets and you're good to go?
Yes absolutely, you definitely don’t need anything else. The Hundred Days supplement is very good as well for extra rules and scenarios.
Great content! Do you know how big is the table supposed to be for a standard game (is it 1000 pts?) and am I supposed to scale everything down including table size if I play with the optional rules about distances/ranges?
I was thinking of getting a starter set but I feel I won't have a table big enough to field 1000s of models!
Thank you 😊
I don’t tend to use use points in my games, I look at OOB or make up fun scenarios etc, so I couldn’t say what a ‘standard’ game would be. I’d say you can definitely do bigger games that with 28mm on more standard sized gaming tables (6x4/8x4), but with frontages still being relatively big you’re not going to do massive games without a larger table.
At its heart Black Powder is a divisional level game anyway, and you can definitely do that on a 6x4 now with this, and have more room to manoeuvre than you would in 28mm. But for larger battles I’d still recommend a bigger table at a club with some friends.
@@MiniatureRealms 6x4 is 182cm x 120cm. A battalion in line using the bases as supplied will be 24cm, a brigade in line 96cm, so half the table width. You could get some kind of action on a 6x4 but even a division will be a struggle IMO. Pity the infantry bases are so difficult to cut down.
Yep it will be a squeeze, especially if units all in line.
@@MiniatureRealms thanks for the replies. Do u guys think that maybe american civil war would be more suited for a smaller table, or roughly equal?
Probably slightly more suited, the style of warfare lead to more waves of lines/attacks (often, not always), so I think that fits better, and uses the space more. At this scale it’s table width that suffers more than depth.
Great video and review of this book. Looks really good. And I can get my teeth into, gain some knowledge at the same time. Looking now for my copy and the reading will start. Great job as always sir. 🌶🌶🌶🦕🦕🦕
Cheers mate, not long now, hopefully it hits your doorstep in a few days.
Excellent video. The more I see about this release from WL the more I'm impressed. Interesting that they have increased the artillery battery size from 1-3 bases. I recall lots of discussion on the WL forums and on the BP FB Page about the pros and cons of increasing the base size to even two (1 gun always looked to thin on the ground to me). Three bases of artillery looks better IMO.
I'm just gutted that sadly this will likely be a no go for us. As we discussed, we play mostly on 6x4 tables and planned to trim the infantry strips down to create smaller frontages as 24cm is WAY too big on that size of table. Sadly though, as is obvious from the images of the sprue images you kindly sent, cutting those infantry bases will be extremely difficult without causing significant damage given the bodies are actually moulded together in tight formation. The clean up of that would also be extensive and very time consuming. I even considered using fewer bases per unit but that then precludes you using pretty much any formation other than line. No way round it as far as I can see. Pity :(
Thank you Ade, glad you’re enjoying the videos, even if sadly it looks like it won’t work out for you because of the frontages you play. I’m just going to reduce my battalion’s by a base on smaller tables when I need space (can always keep them off table and add on for nicer looking squares if needed, as it’s line that’s the problem).
if you have the venue get 3 folding portable tables to make 8 x 6 and then fold them away when finished ?
Wonder if Warlord will do a hardback copy of this Napoleonic book.
Mind you , lousy memory and flipping between rules. Sometimes seems like a hybrid Black Hail Shako Powder!
😂 I’m the same, I’ve got a terrible memory for rules. I’ve settled for mixing up Black Powder/Hail Caesar (and in the future Pike & Shot) knowing it’s slightly better than playing different rules for each and forgetting them all 🤣
I’d love a hard back edition, I’d definitely consider buying it if they did a limited run, especially if they were signed as well.
@@MiniatureRealms , Hail Caeser and Black Powder have so many similarities that the differences catch us out regularly.
Cheat sheets essential for remembering what modifiers there are for morale type rolls!
Yes absolutely, I can’t function without them when gaming 😂
Hi. Thanks for the vid. I am the bolt action player, who has had his head turned by this but knows NOTHING about BP or Epic. Anyone know where I can find forums / where to start vids (not unboxing). How many points is a standard battle? How many points are in a starter army? Aprox how many points will be in an infantry box, for instance? Could I play it on 6'x3'? C
Thank you & cheers!
Hi Matt, thank you for watching. BP is far less points focused than Bolt Action, but they’re are points provided with the army lists, but many prefer to play scenario based and/or work from list based on historical actions. So saying all that I’m not sure you could describe any points level as standard, it’s just not a conversation I see (though it could exist in some games groups).
Having said all that I’m sure you can guess my next answer, I’ve absolutely no idea how many points worth is in the box, it it’s a huge amount, probably twice as much as you could fit in a 6ft table.
Saying all that, you could play on a 6x3 table, the essentially works at Divisional level, and you could play a divisional game on that length, maybe two brigades of 3-4 regiments plus a cavalry brigade. The 3ft width at this scale isn’t as much of an issue.
That brings me neatly on to the rules. BP is a sandbox set of rules designed to play big relaxed games, a very different approach to Bolt Action. The rules in the set have been slightly adapted to Epic scale and Napoleonics (the core set is designed to work for the whole BP period), so in this set they’re removed stuff that’s not relevant, adjusted some wording to match the miniatures and the period, and changed the rules for the basing and set up of units for the new models. They also include ’optional rules’ to reduce ranges (to half in inches or cm), this will help with you 3ft table width etc.
At its core however, BP is BP, and gamers have been using it for smaller scales well before Epic scale, this is just a more formalised approach. It’s probably worth searching ‘how to play BP’ etc, there’s some good ones out there, and the official Warlord one with the author Rick Priestly is great. Some of my favourite battle reports are done by 7thSon, it’s 28mm, but you will get a great idea of how the game plays.
Finally, Facebook is good for groups. Some of the older running Napoleonic groups don’t have much Epic in, but the best one (slightly bias as I set it up) is ‘Warlord Games Epic Battles Napoleonic’, currently at over 1.4k members and full of newer players and older hands.
Hope this essay helps a little.
@@MiniatureRealms Thank you very much for that, it is very helpful. I'll check out your suggestions before I dive in. I really appreciate your time. Thank you.
Like MR says . Its historical based . Just need 2-3 Battalions =Regt x 2= Division x 2or 3 =Brigade x 2 or 3 = Corps x up to 5 = Army . Just match the other player. But when was last battle you read about even stevens ??? This TH-cam list is full of guides to watch th-cam.com/video/JUr1yKURs1w/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=Unclecthulu