omfg Tim so innocently saying ‘he usually says something by now’ and during it i was like ‘Tim how do you not notice that you haven’t been interrupted yet?’ 😆 and i say that with no malice toward David! I have the form of neurospicy that also makes me want to immediately say what i’m thinking! I just have the Tim version of neurospicy that never interrupts! Happy name-day, David. Ride the spiral to the end 🌀
Dany weaving the hat is like the Weirwood Goddess weaving the web or tapestry of fate within the greensea. The net is currently weaved by AA and Dany needs to unweave it with her cleansing fire so to speak. Dragons don't plant trees they burn them and Dany needs to burn the Weirwoods so something new can grow in its place. Perhaps Dany can't do the weaving or knitting people together because that's what Jon does. They need to work together to destroy the old net and weave the new one, so to speak.
i’ll be 45 this year and get consistently told i look like i’m 28 or early 30’s. The water from the hose, anxiety from parental neglect, and euphoria from late 90’s Mtv, and not being a hater keeps us youthful and relevant i stg.
Always go back to the beginning. Remember Dany washing herself in that hot pool. Nothing burns like the cold. And the dress she was afraid of that felt like water in her hand? CS Lewis used pools of water as entry points to different worlds in a book. Stargate, etc etc too. Maybe that’s how she enters the Weirwood Net.
Maybe it’s the Martel Water Magic from the Royanar? She’s definitely a fiery mother first and foremost, and all the water symbolizes her need to embrace the full feminine goddess within her. It’s how she’ll beat the others.
Fire and Water are both powerful magics! Dani’s ability to tap into Royanar Magic, along with her fire, and green magic, she’s going to be one hell of a player for team life. I mean how do you rule a bunch of savages, you use brute savagery. They know you walked amongst them. That water magic is her mother essence. Queen of Earth is a Water Magic. Water acts as a scrying mirror, or the water act like the screen. To go North and Touch the Light - Jon 2:45:14 Quaithe, hallucinogenic, Weirwood paste. This would mean Jon has Fire, Ice, and Green Magic. Ice-water I think Quaith has Dani seeing the real Johra, so that she will never trust him again. You sold me!!kissed!! She’s not a queen of Westeros, very true. His advice is terrible. Dani is the Queen of Marian. She accepts the responsibility of ruling Marien. It’s difficult!
Rolling down the street praising Garth and chilling with Tim and Dave *laid back*! With my mind in the Weirwood and Weirwood in my mind! Happy Birthday LML!
Just occurred to me: Dany is always searching for “home”. She’s driven by a deep desire for it. She thinks that Drogon returns to Dragonstone on instinct, but she says that’s not her home. But it actually is….She was literally born there, on a stormy night, as I recall. It was her home for sometime before the whole overthrow. And yet, she doesn’t consider it “home”. I think GRRM is exploring the concept of “home”. How we feel about it, what is given to us and influences how we feel about it, how it changes over age and time. The things we treasure and value about “Home”. Dany is collecting these people who need her deeply and she wants to provide a safe home for them. Reflecting her own unconscious need. She’s wanting to get to the Red Keep and the throne, but that isn’t her home. A clue that it will not be her final destination. It will be interesting to see how GRRM continues to explore “HOME” as a concept with Dany. As she goes North, will she feel the plight of the others and the wights as another set of peoples who have had their home corrupted and are wandering/lost in search of someone who can help them regain their Weirwood home? Her history tells us that she may very well feel this and decide to move sacrificially with them as she’s done on her previous encounters with people. Also, by the end do you think that Dany will discover “home” is a more esoteric concept of being in the midst of where you feel belonging and loved - and that may not be the Iron Throne for her.
I wonder if her birth is a symbolic macabre of the actual event. Someone one had put together all the ships in the area during her birth and no strange winds were noted. I’ve always found it suspicious that Viscarys tells her everything. The poor child has no concept of home. The Red Door could be where all the truth about her birth is. I feel like the fandoms over locks Dani’s need for home as physical. I believe it’s psychological! Lemon Tree’s are bright and cherry, but sweet, sour, and burning. A reminder that just because something is beautiful and cheery, seems sweet, but turns sour, and burns. This is mynstration but from not allowing her body to hell between her pregnancy. She’s also severely imbalanced and she could be bleed downstairs is because her clotting cascade is failing to clot. I belong to a group of women with rare blood and her blood sounds similar to mine. I’m sure George write them with a blood line in mind. It would also explain why so many dye in childbirth too, because they cannot control the bleeding or infection. However, it’s mainly miscarriage or stillbirths.
te significance of the straw hat: "don't judge a fish by its ability to ride a bicycle". so don't judge a dragon queen by her ability to make a hat. Dany is hard on herself for reasons that have nothing to do with who she really is. She expects that she should be good at everything. It's a mandala. Meereen will unravel. she must let it go. How many hats? how many cities has she tried to save?
Dang I missed the LIVE stream… No matter ready to kick off this almost four hour rewatch! 🎉 …pre-thanks for another great vid! & a very merry birthday to you @David Lightbringer! & many h as pot returns of the day! 🎉🎉🎉
The fact that she has Blisters on her hands doesn't mean that she got burned. Blisters do not happen just from burning. Blisters happen due to friction too... Yes technically its due to heat of friction but it's not heat if fire. She only has it on her hands, perhaps hee thighs. No nowhere else. That suggest Calises like blisters - not fire blisters. One could take it that she is being Reinforced to be steonger. And it makes sense she has these blisters. She doesn't have a Dragon saddle. If I recall, she had akin issues when she rode her horse for the first time for a while.
Happy birthday! 🎉 ETA- I wonder if, when Dany meets Jon, she'll at some point tie bells into his hair? She'd be sharing her adopted culture, and he'd check off one more box on the Azor checklist.
I happened to see some applewood smoked bacon in my fridge. This got me thinking I wonder what Weirwood smoked bacon would taste like? Do you think it would be good. These are the questions that need answers
Happy birthday David. I found while you done this stream that a Gealic river goddess went to the well of knowledge it is surrounded by 9 magic hazel trees. the part before the ants reminded me of that.
Ive tried watching this several times now, having a newborn in our family with a toddlsr already is rough. That being said, i resorted to listening while sleeping. The hype i started feeling around 2:04:30 made me wake up and listen
With Dany being a Nissa Nissa character in the Greensea, the hat reference makes me think of the mermaids that wear Nenymoans in their hair The only other thing that comes to mind would be Sansa’s hair net with Amethysts in it, with Dany representing the Amethyst Empress as well Not sure what to make of it all tho? Praise Garth 💀💨
If they would've made Missandei the age she is in the books and then had Cersei have her killed on the wall like that. Dany burning down the whole place would've made more sense.
Happy name day, Dave! Love the channel and starry wisdom Sundays so much. Especially the Tim and Dave dynamic duo! I'm only 30 mins in so far but can tell this is going to be a wild & wonderful stream, as always!
you 2 are incredible at this thanks for keeping it up. I've met strangers (now friends) through y'all (after I bring up that I'm a fan of ASOIAF and always on TH-cam).
I think her sickness could symbolize the sickness of entitlement for throne, the sickness of monarchy has on the land--that's why she has the vision of her brother, it's that sickness that caused the war of the 5 kings. Her body covered in red whelps parallels the vision she had in the house of the undying with the woman being ravaged by dwarfs. We can see her coming to westeros when Fageon is king defeating him and not being accepted by the realm. It George's theme of a single ruler/monarchy not being good for the people. Even though we like Dany we know democracy is better than monarchy. And he conquest of the realm could leave it worse than it was
Literally every system of power we' re shown in this world is very corrupt and abusive. Jon literally comes to power because his supporters rig an election. The most evil character in the series, Euron, also comes to power democratically. This is not "a boo monarchy! Yay democracy story!"
Happy Birthday David LmL 🎉☕️🎉🎂🎉 i really luved this stream as i was listening to it last night one of my favourite's of Danny's many foreshadowing so thanks to both yourself an our good friend Grey Waist Tim the dynamic Duo of ❄️🔥🐲🖤❤️
Lyrics of "Whispering Grass (Don't Tell The Trees)", first recorded in 1940 but made famous in a 1975 cover version: Why do you whisper, green grass Why tell the tress what ain't so Whispering grass, the trees don't have to know, no, no Why tell them all your secrets Who kissed there long ago Whispering grass, the trees don't need to know Don't you tell it to the trees She will tell the birds and bees And everyone will know Because you told the blabbering trees Yes, you told them once before It's no secret anymore Why tell them all the old things They're buried under the snow Whispering grass, don't tell the trees 'Cause the trees don't need to know Now, don't you tell it to the trees 'Cause they'll just run 'n' tell the birds and bees Then everybody'd know 'Cause you told them doggone trees Yes you did, you know you did, ya told 'em once before Now look atcha', honey child, it ain't no secret no mo' You might also like Why tell them all the old things They're buried under the snow Whispering grass, don't tell the trees 'Cause the trees don't need to know From Wikipedia (note the last line): "Whispering Grass (Don't Tell the Trees)" is a popular song written by Fred Fisher and his daughter Doris Fisher. The song was first recorded by Erskine Hawkins & His Orchestra in 1940. The Ink Spots featuring Bill Kenny also recorded it the same year... Whispering Grass" was a 1975 UK number-one single by Windsor Davies and Don Estelle. Davies and Estelle were actors in the sitcom It Ain't Half Hot Mum. It was number one in the UK Singles Chart for three weeks from 7 June 1975. The notion of Whispering Grass extends back to Greek mythology, notably the myth of Midas."
"You are the blood of the dragon, you can make a hat." is my biggest 'lol' line in the canon. No hidden depths - I imagine the line popped into GRRM's head when he was drafting 'blood of the dragon' ideas, and 15 years later as he closed his 5th volume thought', Damn, I still haven't found a place for that daft line - I'll shoehorn it in here!'
59:20 ghost grass is one of many things that are in GRRM first novel "dying of the light" I don't remember the name but it's a yellow thorny tree on the planet worlorn and it's theorized to be the plant that will swallow up the planet and the last surviving plant. I think they're the "chokers" But it's really a great read if you love ASOIAF the book is almost a 1st draft as far as characters that make it to thrones
On Danny wanting to plant trees and a garden… there is a very real possibility of mass starvation in Westeros. I think Danny should trust her instincts and dragon dreams, even if they are as simple as planting a garden everywhere she stays
I've watched this stream a bunch of times already, and a few things just came to mind: I don't think Dany rides Drogon twice only, but I always understood from the text that she actually climbs on him a bunch of times during her stay in the Dothraki Sea. Maybe it's because I'm not a native English speaker, but I believe multiple flights are implied. Secondly, I love the contrast George writes between Dany and Faegon: the former (who has acquired significant leadership and ruling experience) fails to build a hat from weeds, while the latter (who has been groomed to rule from a young age, without actually ruling) can fish and fend for himself. I wonder if there's anything to interpret there? Loving the interaction between you guys, as always!
I was pretty Garthclarted during the stream last night so didnt realise it was your birthday Dave! Happy birthday for yesterday man hope you had a great day, thanks for the excellent stream as ever
2:32:25 in my experience, it sounds EXACTLY like a miscarriage (had 4) Edit to add: I’ve had four* and all of these symptoms sound VERY familiar. Funny too, us moms use “pump and dump” in reference to breastfeeding, wanted to throw that in there. Thank you both!!!
Firstly Happy Name Day my Lord and Secondly I think it was Mandy on a Gray Area stream said something about "when the mountains blow in the wind like leaves...." is talking about snow drifts beyond the wall when they go North! I can't remember the rest but it was cool
If Dany is not barren: You said the trigger for the Others coming was a broken contract - some child was not given. Could a 'bittersweet' ending be Dant having to give up a baby in order to send the Others back (presumably a baby made with her nephew!!)?
3:24:00 The mountains blowing in the wind like the leaves could reference the pyramids of Meereen burning due to dragonfire after Rhaegal and Viserion are freed, and their ashes blowing in the wind.
I just heard Nina Simon's song "strange fruit" for the first time yesterday. It's about men of color being hanged but also their blood being on the leaves of the tree. If you haven't heard it before definitely check it out. It did make me cry though. It's one of those turning pain and loss into this meaningful art things.
Strange Fruit" is a song written and composed by Abel Meeropol (under his pseudonym Lewis Allan) and recorded by Billie Holiday in 1939. The lyrics were drawn from a poem by Meeropol published in 1937. The song protests the lynching of Black Americans with lyrics that compare the victims to the fruit of trees. Such lynchings had reached a peak in the Southern United States at the turn of the 20th century and the great majority of victims were black.[2] The song has been called "a declaration" and "the beginning of the civil rights movement". The lyrics: "Southern trees bear strange fruit Blood on the leaves and blood at the root Black bodies swinging in the southern breeze Strange fruit hanging from the poplar trees Pastor scene of the gallant south The bulging eyes and the twisted mouths Scent of magnolias, sweet and fresh Then the sudden smell of burning flesh Here is a fruit for the crows to pluck For the rain to gather, for the wind to suck For the sun to rut, for the trees to drop Here is a strange and bitter crop"
Meera, Mariupol/Meeropol from Mary+póli (city) all have interesting meanings and something to do with the sea. Meera and Meeropol were also both poets.
50:10 one thing you need to consider about drogon is yes hes smaller than a lot of the dragons from dance, however hes spent the majority of dance hunting on his own meaning hes more fierce than any of them seeing as (if you compare to horses) they're stabled dragons and hes wild. However, i may be looking too much into it. 😂
1:36:00 I've always thought that this chapter kind of shows what rickon is going through on skaggos. The 5-year Gap thing and what could have been. I honestly feel like we're going to see " what could have been" through Rickon. Danny uses drogon as a food source. Rickon would probably use shaggy dog as a food source. They're both living in places where you have to live off the land. I don't know. You said that about what could have been and it just I drew parallels to rickon for some reason
I am becoming more amenable to Michael’s (the one who talks about stuff) idea that rideable dragons are infused with human souls through blood magic. 36:22
Mountains blowing in the wind like leaves: From a POV, the darkness and at a distance, dragons could be mistaken for mountains. Sun rising in the west and setting in the east: From a POV, in darkness and at a distance, it could look like that if someone has Lightbringer, coming from west to east.
the line abt "the sun gilding dragonstone as night comes" makes me think of drogo gilding viserys. uve said gold as a fire of the gods symbol can be firey/molten or frozen/solid. so gilding an AA character shows the transformation in one action: being set ablaze with the fire of the weirwoods, and then as the gold freezes viserys becomes the crowned, frozen, dead night's king just as the sun sets
tyhere is a part in this chapter, no matter how far he flew each day come nightfall some instinct always drew him to dragonstone that was his home not hers, her home was back in mereen..... so does that mean drogon was flying to dragonstone every night ? it sure sounded like it but that makes very little sense isnt faegon on dragonstone or is he at storms end? if he is he flying to dragonstone how does she know?? im so confused
I think the dragonbinder horns are a very simple mechanic, they bind a person to a dragon by killing the person and transferring their "soul" into the dragon. Dany did this in the pyre without a horn, by using blood magic to transfer the witch, drogo and her unborn child into the dragons. When Euron forces someone to blow the horn, that person will be killed and their soul will be forced into the dragon as the "third head" of the dragon. This functions the same way as the crows who hold the spirits of the children. Once bran enters a crow that has been binded to one fo the children, they share the space. This is skinchanging, and the same rules would apply. A dog is easy to skinchange for a human, a dragon is easy for a targeryan. So, to sort of lay it out. A human worgs something and they share a body with both influencing the other and sharing a bond. The longer a human worgs a creature the more they get lost becoming more and more like that creature and less like a human. If they die they can skinchange into that creature permanently, unless someone else comes along and forces their will onto the creature at which point the previous human worg is killed a second time. A Targeryan can bond with a dragon with the same ease as a stark can bond a dire wolf, its natural and inborn. However, my contention is that whatever magic happened at the funeral pyre allowed Dany to bond humans to dragon eggs in order for them to hatch. The horn may have been a way of kickstarting this process, allowing people to be bonded to dragons and this was done ON valyrians by the emporer using the dragonbinder horn. This would have been so the emporer could control the dragons, however once a Valyrian is merged with a dragon a part of that dragon remembers its Valyrian life which then makes them have a natural bond the same way dogs have to humans (this part is just extra thoughts and guesses). So over time the dragons became naturally alligned with Valyrians because of their natural bond and a dragonbinder horn wasn't needed. The dragonbinder horn and the funeral pyre blood magic are the same thing by a different means, fire and blood magic that bind a soul to a dragon, and Dany entering the pyre made her the focal point that completes the magic. If I am right, Euron using the horn will bind a new soul over the dragons current one, and he will be the Dany role in this, and by binding the dragon and the horn blower together will gain control over them. However it will not be as simple as having a horn blown, it takes proximity and then Euron will have to "walk into the flames" the same way dany did to complete the ritual, IF it works that way. This extra step is needed purely because a dragon is far different from a dog or a wolf, which the story tells us are easy to worg into for humans. A Valyiran might be able to naturally worg a dragon but, what we see dany do at the pyre is different, not just bonding to dragons but birthing them from stone. What Euron is going to attempt to do may also be a some version of this, with Danys pyre being the most ancient version and the horn being a more refined version that was developed over time. What we see in house of the dragon is Daemon hand over his eggs to the experts, and we don't know what they do before giving those eggs to newborn Targs to be bonded with. Perhaps there is a secret in dragonstone that answers this, one that was lost, stolen, or destroyed. Maybe Euron was able to discover this secret by visiting Valyria or Ashai. So yeah, I think the dragonhorn binds is a ritual the same as the pyre, and that is how Euron plans to take control, this would make him a fake Valyrian, bonded to dragons not by his blood, but by the blood of the person who blows the horn in his name.
I can't remember what they called the people on dragonstone who tended the dragons and taught them commands for the Valyrians, but perhaps they were making sacrifices to the eggs before giving them back to the Targs, perhaps they had a dragonbinder horn or some other way but the war caused them to sacrifice too many of themselves and in the chaos none were left to perform the ritual leaving no more dragons to hatch until Dany performed the pyre ritual by tapping into ancient knowledge.
I don't want to comment too much because I'm going to do a whole video about this, but essentially, yeah, I think the main purpose is to create the original link between a dragon and a bloodline, something along those lines. Euron needs one precisely because he is not a Valyrian.
Definitely has desintarcy. Inflammation of the intestines accompanied by bloody diarrhea. Dysentery is most often caused by shigella bacteria (shigellosis) or an amoeba. Dysentery is often spread through contaminated food or water. A key symptom is bloody diarrhea. There may also be abdominal pain, cramps, fever, and malaise. Prompt medical care is needed for bloody diarrhea. Treatment may include increased fluid intake, rehydration solutions, IV fluids, and antibiotics. None of this alone would signify a miscarriage, however if she’s newly pregnant, the body is under much stress that it will eliminate any extra energy expenditure to save her life. Our bodies are remarkably. It’s amazing we’re alive today!
To add to my off-topic question, I've been wondering if the red priests ever tried to make an alliance with the Targaryen Dynasty while they still had dragons. As the only dragonlords still in the world, it seems to me they'd want to be close to them. Additionally, I wonder if any post-Dance Targ ever tried to consult the red priests in an attempt to restore the dragons - so many dreamers tried so many weird things, it's weird they wouldn't try to speak with them. Surely someone like Egg or Aerys would have considered it?
Do you think that if she did miscarry- it would count as come sort of sacrifice/ unintentional blood magic since she is having visions at the same time?
I think Dany definitely needs to sacrifice herself so she can become the new life fire (pole star) that would animate the cycle of nature. We can use Lady Stoneheart as a parallel for the frozen Weirwoods. It's currently animated by the fire of AA like Stoneheart is animated by Rhllor but this isn't her "true fire" or soul. The Weirwoods are similarly inhabited by a invasive fire and they need the soul (heart) of the tree to be put back or replaced. Lightbringer stole/absorbed NN's fire/soul and we need to put it back.
I would imagine the Valyrians may have used the horns to strip dragon riding families of their dragons, or perhaps to claim dragons that had lost their riders but were outside of their lineage. Perhaps it was a version of marriage pacts in Valyria. Maybe sometimes instead of marriage pacts families would bind dragons to other families as a type of “marriage pact”.
I feel like Dany may learn more of her heritage and dislike much of that which does not align with her current values and will eventually lead to validating her self sacrifice more and restoring her name in a profound way and become a song of ice and fire. Her song will become history.
Has the red doors been compared to the safety from God's curse on Egypt that passover represents? It would fit with the less destructive interpretation of fire and blood.
omfg Tim so innocently saying ‘he usually says something by now’ and during it i was like ‘Tim how do you not notice that you haven’t been interrupted yet?’ 😆
and i say that with no malice toward David! I have the form of neurospicy that also makes me want to immediately say what i’m thinking! I just have the Tim version of neurospicy that never interrupts!
Happy name-day, David. Ride the spiral to the end 🌀
true and true haha
Dany weaving the hat is like the Weirwood Goddess weaving the web or tapestry of fate within the greensea. The net is currently weaved by AA and Dany needs to unweave it with her cleansing fire so to speak. Dragons don't plant trees they burn them and Dany needs to burn the Weirwoods so something new can grow in its place. Perhaps Dany can't do the weaving or knitting people together because that's what Jon does. They need to work together to destroy the old net and weave the new one, so to speak.
i’ll be 45 this year and get consistently told i look like i’m 28 or early 30’s. The water from the hose, anxiety from parental neglect, and euphoria from late 90’s Mtv, and not being a hater keeps us youthful and relevant i stg.
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Always go back to the beginning. Remember Dany washing herself in that hot pool. Nothing burns like the cold. And the dress she was afraid of that felt like water in her hand? CS Lewis used pools of water as entry points to different worlds in a book. Stargate, etc etc too. Maybe that’s how she enters the Weirwood Net.
love the wood between the worlds reference 🤌
Maybe it’s the Martel Water Magic from the Royanar? She’s definitely a fiery mother first and foremost, and all the water symbolizes her need to embrace the full feminine goddess within her. It’s how she’ll beat the others.
Fire and Water are both powerful magics! Dani’s ability to tap into Royanar Magic, along with her fire, and green magic, she’s going to be one hell of a player for team life. I mean how do you rule a bunch of savages, you use brute savagery. They know you walked amongst them. That water magic is her mother essence. Queen of Earth is a Water Magic. Water acts as a scrying mirror, or the water act like the screen.
To go North and Touch the Light - Jon
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Quaithe, hallucinogenic, Weirwood paste.
This would mean Jon has Fire, Ice, and Green Magic. Ice-water
I think Quaith has Dani seeing the real Johra, so that she will never trust him again. You sold me!!kissed!! She’s not a queen of Westeros, very true. His advice is terrible. Dani is the Queen of Marian. She accepts the responsibility of ruling Marien. It’s difficult!
Rolling down the street praising Garth and chilling with Tim and Dave *laid back*! With my mind in the Weirwood and Weirwood in my mind!
Happy Birthday LML!
I’m late but yes….malnutrition, stress, sickness can throw off monthly cycle.
I think the mountains blowing in the wind like leaves would be the dragons obliterating the pyramids of Merreen
oh okay
Just occurred to me: Dany is always searching for “home”. She’s driven by a deep desire for it. She thinks that Drogon returns to Dragonstone on instinct, but she says that’s not her home. But it actually is….She was literally born there, on a stormy night, as I recall. It was her home for sometime before the whole overthrow. And yet, she doesn’t consider it “home”. I think GRRM is exploring the concept of “home”. How we feel about it, what is given to us and influences how we feel about it, how it changes over age and time. The things we treasure and value about “Home”. Dany is collecting these people who need her deeply and she wants to provide a safe home for them. Reflecting her own unconscious need. She’s wanting to get to the Red Keep and the throne, but that isn’t her home. A clue that it will not be her final destination. It will be interesting to see how GRRM continues to explore “HOME” as a concept with Dany. As she goes North, will she feel the plight of the others and the wights as another set of peoples who have had their home corrupted and are wandering/lost in search of someone who can help them regain their Weirwood home? Her history tells us that she may very well feel this and decide to move sacrificially with them as she’s done on her previous encounters with people. Also, by the end do you think that Dany will discover “home” is a more esoteric concept of being in the midst of where you feel belonging and loved - and that may not be the Iron Throne for her.
I wonder if her birth is a symbolic macabre of the actual event. Someone one had put together all the ships in the area during her birth and no strange winds were noted. I’ve always found it suspicious that Viscarys tells her everything. The poor child has no concept of home. The Red Door could be where all the truth about her birth is. I feel like the fandoms over locks Dani’s need for home as physical. I believe it’s psychological! Lemon Tree’s are bright and cherry, but sweet, sour, and burning. A reminder that just because something is beautiful and cheery, seems sweet, but turns sour, and burns.
This is mynstration but from not allowing her body to hell between her pregnancy. She’s also severely imbalanced and she could be bleed downstairs is because her clotting cascade is failing to clot. I belong to a group of women with rare blood and her blood sounds similar to mine. I’m sure George write them with a blood line in mind. It would also explain why so many dye in childbirth too, because they cannot control the bleeding or infection. However, it’s mainly miscarriage or stillbirths.
te significance of the straw hat: "don't judge a fish by its ability to ride a bicycle". so don't judge a dragon queen by her ability to make a hat. Dany is hard on herself for reasons that have nothing to do with who she really is. She expects that she should be good at everything. It's a mandala. Meereen will unravel. she must let it go. How many hats? how many cities has she tried to save?
Dang I missed the LIVE stream… No matter ready to kick off this almost four hour rewatch! 🎉 …pre-thanks for another great vid! & a very merry birthday to you @David Lightbringer! & many h as pot returns of the day! 🎉🎉🎉
Happy birthday, David!! And thanks for a great stream as always, David and Tim!
The fact that she has Blisters on her hands doesn't mean that she got burned.
Blisters do not happen just from burning.
Blisters happen due to friction too... Yes technically its due to heat of friction but it's not heat if fire.
She only has it on her hands, perhaps hee thighs. No nowhere else. That suggest Calises like blisters - not fire blisters. One could take it that she is being Reinforced to be steonger.
And it makes sense she has these blisters. She doesn't have a Dragon saddle. If I recall, she had akin issues when she rode her horse for the first time for a while.
Happy birthday! 🎉
ETA- I wonder if, when Dany meets Jon, she'll at some point tie bells into his hair? She'd be sharing her adopted culture, and he'd check off one more box on the Azor checklist.
Dany is azora hai she checks all the boxes already
I happened to see some applewood smoked bacon in my fridge. This got me thinking I wonder what Weirwood smoked bacon would taste like? Do you think it would be good. These are the questions that need answers
4 hours may seem like a long time, but honestly I could listen to you guys for double that. Thanks for the great video and Happy Nameday, LML!!
Happy birthday David. I found while you done this stream that a Gealic river goddess went to the well of knowledge it is surrounded by 9 magic hazel trees. the part before the ants reminded me of that.
Happy Birthday David🎂🍻. Fab stream! Thanks
A blessed stream. Happy birthday for tomorrow David!
Happy birthday David! I'm so very glad I found this channel, your content has kept my love for this series alive.
Ive tried watching this several times now, having a newborn in our family with a toddlsr already is rough. That being said, i resorted to listening while sleeping. The hype i started feeling around 2:04:30 made me wake up and listen
Another great stream as always! Thank you gentlemen, and happy birthday Monsieur Lightbringer!! 🎉
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DAVID
Missed this stream but settling in now for an evening listen. David knows The Real Daenerys.
With Dany being a Nissa Nissa character in the Greensea, the hat reference makes me think of the mermaids that wear Nenymoans in their hair
The only other thing that comes to mind would be Sansa’s hair net with Amethysts in it, with Dany representing the Amethyst Empress as well
Not sure what to make of it all tho?
Praise Garth 💀💨
Wdym dany being a nissa nissa?
If they would've made Missandei the age she is in the books and then had Cersei have her killed on the wall like that. Dany burning down the whole place would've made more sense.
Happy name day, Dave! Love the channel and starry wisdom Sundays so much. Especially the Tim and Dave dynamic duo! I'm only 30 mins in so far but can tell this is going to be a wild & wonderful stream, as always!
10:49 damn 11min in and Tim is spitting fire right away
you 2 are incredible at this thanks for keeping it up. I've met strangers (now friends) through y'all (after I bring up that I'm a fan of ASOIAF and always on TH-cam).
I think her sickness could symbolize the sickness of entitlement for throne, the sickness of monarchy has on the land--that's why she has the vision of her brother, it's that sickness that caused the war of the 5 kings. Her body covered in red whelps parallels the vision she had in the house of the undying with the woman being ravaged by dwarfs. We can see her coming to westeros when Fageon is king defeating him and not being accepted by the realm. It George's theme of a single ruler/monarchy not being good for the people. Even though we like Dany we know democracy is better than monarchy. And he conquest of the realm could leave it worse than it was
Literally every system of power we' re shown in this world is very corrupt and abusive. Jon literally comes to power because his supporters rig an election. The most evil character in the series, Euron, also comes to power democratically. This is not "a boo monarchy! Yay democracy story!"
Happy Birthday David LmL 🎉☕️🎉🎂🎉 i really luved this stream as i was listening to it last night one of my favourite's of Danny's many foreshadowing so thanks to both yourself an our good friend Grey Waist Tim the dynamic Duo of ❄️🔥🐲🖤❤️
haha grey WAIST
Lyrics of "Whispering Grass (Don't Tell The Trees)", first recorded in 1940 but made famous in a 1975 cover version:
Why do you whisper, green grass
Why tell the tress what ain't so
Whispering grass, the trees don't have to know, no, no
Why tell them all your secrets
Who kissed there long ago
Whispering grass, the trees don't need to know
Don't you tell it to the trees
She will tell the birds and bees
And everyone will know
Because you told the blabbering trees
Yes, you told them once before
It's no secret anymore
Why tell them all the old things
They're buried under the snow
Whispering grass, don't tell the trees
'Cause the trees don't need to know
Now, don't you tell it to the trees
'Cause they'll just run 'n' tell the birds and bees
Then everybody'd know 'Cause you told them doggone trees
Yes you did, you know you did, ya told 'em once before
Now look atcha', honey child, it ain't no secret no mo'
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Why tell them all the old things
They're buried under the snow
Whispering grass, don't tell the trees
'Cause the trees don't need to know
From Wikipedia (note the last line):
"Whispering Grass (Don't Tell the Trees)" is a popular song written by Fred Fisher and his daughter Doris Fisher. The song was first recorded by Erskine Hawkins & His Orchestra in 1940. The Ink Spots featuring Bill Kenny also recorded it the same year...
Whispering Grass" was a 1975 UK number-one single by Windsor Davies and Don Estelle. Davies and Estelle were actors in the sitcom It Ain't Half Hot Mum. It was number one in the UK Singles Chart for three weeks from 7 June 1975.
The notion of Whispering Grass extends back to Greek mythology, notably the myth of Midas."
I feel proud to be here for something as auspicious as this. Happy B day to ya! And thanks
Happy Birthday to you! And me! 😂
I hope it's a great one. I'll be 42, the meaning of life and everything. So long and thanks for all the fish! 🐬
Happy birthday 🎂
"You are the blood of the dragon, you can make a hat." is my biggest 'lol' line in the canon. No hidden depths - I imagine the line popped into GRRM's head when he was drafting 'blood of the dragon' ideas, and 15 years later as he closed his 5th volume thought', Damn, I still haven't found a place for that daft line - I'll shoehorn it in here!'
59:20 ghost grass is one of many things that are in GRRM first novel "dying of the light" I don't remember the name but it's a yellow thorny tree on the planet worlorn and it's theorized to be the plant that will swallow up the planet and the last surviving plant. I think they're the "chokers"
But it's really a great read if you love ASOIAF the book is almost a 1st draft as far as characters that make it to thrones
41:30 Daenerys: pause that video game and clean up your room! Drogon: you can't pause an online multiplayer game mom ugh!
😭😭😭
playing with Rhaegal and Viserion in Meereen 😭😭😭
On Danny wanting to plant trees and a garden… there is a very real possibility of mass starvation in Westeros. I think Danny should trust her instincts and dragon dreams, even if they are as simple as planting a garden everywhere she stays
I've watched this stream a bunch of times already, and a few things just came to mind:
I don't think Dany rides Drogon twice only, but I always understood from the text that she actually climbs on him a bunch of times during her stay in the Dothraki Sea. Maybe it's because I'm not a native English speaker, but I believe multiple flights are implied.
Secondly, I love the contrast George writes between Dany and Faegon: the former (who has acquired significant leadership and ruling experience) fails to build a hat from weeds, while the latter (who has been groomed to rule from a young age, without actually ruling) can fish and fend for himself. I wonder if there's anything to interpret there?
Loving the interaction between you guys, as always!
Happy birthday!!
1:47:13 a wall for Ants = a barrier against Ents (as in tree people) = a wall to devide something from the weirwoods and/or the others
what is this, a school for ents? 🤣🤣🤣
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, DAVID ❤❤❤❤ I hope your day is as amazing as you 🥳
I was pretty Garthclarted during the stream last night so didnt realise it was your birthday Dave! Happy birthday for yesterday man hope you had a great day, thanks for the excellent stream as ever
Thank you for another awesome video. Appreciate it guys. Happy belated Birthday David.
Happy birthday, David! Keep up the good work! 🎉🎉🎉
2:32:25 in my experience, it sounds EXACTLY like a miscarriage (had 4)
Edit to add: I’ve had four* and all of these symptoms sound VERY familiar. Funny too, us moms use “pump and dump” in reference to breastfeeding, wanted to throw that in there. Thank you both!!!
Happy Birthday. Thanks for the years of great work.
Firstly Happy Name Day my Lord and Secondly I think it was Mandy on a Gray Area stream said something about "when the mountains blow in the wind like leaves...." is talking about snow drifts beyond the wall when they go North! I can't remember the rest but it was cool
If Dany is not barren: You said the trigger for the Others coming was a broken contract - some child was not given. Could a 'bittersweet' ending be Dant having to give up a baby in order to send the Others back (presumably a baby made with her nephew!!)?
yes, that would be the option if she needs to have a baby for some magical reason
3:24:00 The mountains blowing in the wind like the leaves could reference the pyramids of Meereen burning due to dragonfire after Rhaegal and Viserion are freed, and their ashes blowing in the wind.
I love the house of flying dragons background you have for your channel page. I don’t know how long I’ve overlooked that 😂
I think valyrian steel swords might require the sacrifice of a loved one. could explain why there are so few of them
I just heard Nina Simon's song "strange fruit" for the first time yesterday. It's about men of color being hanged but also their blood being on the leaves of the tree. If you haven't heard it before definitely check it out. It did make me cry though. It's one of those turning pain and loss into this meaningful art things.
Strange Fruit" is a song written and composed by Abel Meeropol (under his pseudonym Lewis Allan) and recorded by Billie Holiday in 1939. The lyrics were drawn from a poem by Meeropol published in 1937. The song protests the lynching of Black Americans with lyrics that compare the victims to the fruit of trees. Such lynchings had reached a peak in the Southern United States at the turn of the 20th century and the great majority of victims were black.[2] The song has been called "a declaration" and "the beginning of the civil rights movement".
The lyrics:
"Southern trees bear strange fruit
Blood on the leaves and blood at the root
Black bodies swinging in the southern breeze
Strange fruit hanging from the poplar trees
Pastor scene of the gallant south
The bulging eyes and the twisted mouths
Scent of magnolias, sweet and fresh
Then the sudden smell of burning flesh
Here is a fruit for the crows to pluck
For the rain to gather, for the wind to suck
For the sun to rut, for the trees to drop
Here is a strange and bitter crop"
Meera, Mariupol/Meeropol from Mary+póli (city) all have interesting meanings and something to do with the sea. Meera and Meeropol were also both poets.
50:10 one thing you need to consider about drogon is yes hes smaller than a lot of the dragons from dance, however hes spent the majority of dance hunting on his own meaning hes more fierce than any of them seeing as (if you compare to horses) they're stabled dragons and hes wild.
However, i may be looking too much into it. 😂
Happy birthday Dave! 🎂
Hope you did it big! You deserve it. 🎉
Happy birthday! Thank you for the chapter re-read!
1:36:00 I've always thought that this chapter kind of shows what rickon is going through on skaggos. The 5-year Gap thing and what could have been. I honestly feel like we're going to see " what could have been" through Rickon. Danny uses drogon as a food source. Rickon would probably use shaggy dog as a food source. They're both living in places where you have to live off the land. I don't know. You said that about what could have been and it just I drew parallels to rickon for some reason
Thanks for an outstanding stream! Bummed I had to leave early. Happy birthday!
I am becoming more amenable to Michael’s (the one who talks about stuff) idea that rideable dragons are infused with human souls through blood magic. 36:22
Mountains blowing in the wind like leaves: From a POV, the darkness and at a distance, dragons could be mistaken for mountains. Sun rising in the west and setting in the east: From a POV, in darkness and at a distance, it could look like that if someone has Lightbringer, coming from west to east.
Happy Birthday Dude !! Stay happy
Happy Birthday David! Watching at work! Have a lovely day and have a drink for me!
the line abt "the sun gilding dragonstone as night comes" makes me think of drogo gilding viserys. uve said gold as a fire of the gods symbol can be firey/molten or frozen/solid. so gilding an AA character shows the transformation in one action: being set ablaze with the fire of the weirwoods, and then as the gold freezes viserys becomes the crowned, frozen, dead night's king just as the sun sets
Happy late Birthday David, another excellent video thank you
Thanks you lovely men! Great topic. Happy happy 🎉
Happy Birthday Dave!!
Ive only ever read ASOIAF digitally but i just bought the new paperback set and i cant wait to re-read it!
tyhere is a part in this chapter, no matter how far he flew each day come nightfall some instinct always drew him to dragonstone that was his home not hers, her home was back in mereen..... so does that mean drogon was flying to dragonstone every night ? it sure sounded like it but that makes very little sense isnt faegon on dragonstone or is he at storms end? if he is he flying to dragonstone how does she know?? im so confused
i always imagine , that drogo spirit lives on in drogon and hes still planning on tearing down stone houses and burning men in their armor
I think the dragonbinder horns are a very simple mechanic, they bind a person to a dragon by killing the person and transferring their "soul" into the dragon. Dany did this in the pyre without a horn, by using blood magic to transfer the witch, drogo and her unborn child into the dragons. When Euron forces someone to blow the horn, that person will be killed and their soul will be forced into the dragon as the "third head" of the dragon.
This functions the same way as the crows who hold the spirits of the children. Once bran enters a crow that has been binded to one fo the children, they share the space. This is skinchanging, and the same rules would apply. A dog is easy to skinchange for a human, a dragon is easy for a targeryan.
So, to sort of lay it out. A human worgs something and they share a body with both influencing the other and sharing a bond. The longer a human worgs a creature the more they get lost becoming more and more like that creature and less like a human. If they die they can skinchange into that creature permanently, unless someone else comes along and forces their will onto the creature at which point the previous human worg is killed a second time.
A Targeryan can bond with a dragon with the same ease as a stark can bond a dire wolf, its natural and inborn. However, my contention is that whatever magic happened at the funeral pyre allowed Dany to bond humans to dragon eggs in order for them to hatch. The horn may have been a way of kickstarting this process, allowing people to be bonded to dragons and this was done ON valyrians by the emporer using the dragonbinder horn. This would have been so the emporer could control the dragons, however once a Valyrian is merged with a dragon a part of that dragon remembers its Valyrian life which then makes them have a natural bond the same way dogs have to humans (this part is just extra thoughts and guesses).
So over time the dragons became naturally alligned with Valyrians because of their natural bond and a dragonbinder horn wasn't needed. The dragonbinder horn and the funeral pyre blood magic are the same thing by a different means, fire and blood magic that bind a soul to a dragon, and Dany entering the pyre made her the focal point that completes the magic.
If I am right, Euron using the horn will bind a new soul over the dragons current one, and he will be the Dany role in this, and by binding the dragon and the horn blower together will gain control over them. However it will not be as simple as having a horn blown, it takes proximity and then Euron will have to "walk into the flames" the same way dany did to complete the ritual, IF it works that way.
This extra step is needed purely because a dragon is far different from a dog or a wolf, which the story tells us are easy to worg into for humans. A Valyiran might be able to naturally worg a dragon but, what we see dany do at the pyre is different, not just bonding to dragons but birthing them from stone.
What Euron is going to attempt to do may also be a some version of this, with Danys pyre being the most ancient version and the horn being a more refined version that was developed over time. What we see in house of the dragon is Daemon hand over his eggs to the experts, and we don't know what they do before giving those eggs to newborn Targs to be bonded with. Perhaps there is a secret in dragonstone that answers this, one that was lost, stolen, or destroyed. Maybe Euron was able to discover this secret by visiting Valyria or Ashai.
So yeah, I think the dragonhorn binds is a ritual the same as the pyre, and that is how Euron plans to take control, this would make him a fake Valyrian, bonded to dragons not by his blood, but by the blood of the person who blows the horn in his name.
I can't remember what they called the people on dragonstone who tended the dragons and taught them commands for the Valyrians, but perhaps they were making sacrifices to the eggs before giving them back to the Targs, perhaps they had a dragonbinder horn or some other way but the war caused them to sacrifice too many of themselves and in the chaos none were left to perform the ritual leaving no more dragons to hatch until Dany performed the pyre ritual by tapping into ancient knowledge.
so I actually have a lot of thoughts developed about Dragon binder which are not dissimilar from what you're speculating on here.
I don't want to comment too much because I'm going to do a whole video about this, but essentially, yeah, I think the main purpose is to create the original link between a dragon and a bloodline, something along those lines. Euron needs one precisely because he is not a Valyrian.
in Old Valeria, the dragons belonged to different family bloodlines. those links were created with dragon horns I'm guessing
@@DavidLightbringerlooking forward to the video :)
Amazing video!! As always.
Happy birthday David 🎉🎉🎉
Damn missed the live! Excited to listen to this now though 👍
Definitely has desintarcy.
Inflammation of the intestines accompanied by bloody diarrhea.
Dysentery is most often caused by shigella bacteria (shigellosis) or an amoeba. Dysentery is often spread through contaminated food or water.
A key symptom is bloody diarrhea. There may also be abdominal pain, cramps, fever, and malaise.
Prompt medical care is needed for bloody diarrhea. Treatment may include increased fluid intake, rehydration solutions, IV fluids, and antibiotics.
None of this alone would signify a miscarriage, however if she’s newly pregnant, the body is under much stress that it will eliminate any extra energy expenditure to save her life. Our bodies are remarkably. It’s amazing we’re alive today!
just catching up after my holiday (at an undisclosed location without wifi) and a very happy bday to you my friend🎉🎉❤❤
Another great stream, love all the layers in this dany chapter oh yeah happy birthday @david lightbringer
Maybe Dany will visit the Isle of Faces with the OG green Weirwoods before she ever sees the corrupted ones everyone else is familiar with..
Happy Nameday Tim! 👍
To add to my off-topic question, I've been wondering if the red priests ever tried to make an alliance with the Targaryen Dynasty while they still had dragons. As the only dragonlords still in the world, it seems to me they'd want to be close to them.
Additionally, I wonder if any post-Dance Targ ever tried to consult the red priests in an attempt to restore the dragons - so many dreamers tried so many weird things, it's weird they wouldn't try to speak with them. Surely someone like Egg or Aerys would have considered it?
Such a great spot by Tim on that Skunk Cabbage!!!!
islands in the sea, that is what we are, no one in between, how can we be wrong?
Sail away with me
To another world
And we rely on each other ah ha
Ah yes classic Kenny Rogers. Awesome song.
Do you think that if she did miscarry- it would count as come sort of sacrifice/ unintentional blood magic since she is having visions at the same time?
I think Dany definitely needs to sacrifice herself so she can become the new life fire (pole star) that would animate the cycle of nature. We can use Lady Stoneheart as a parallel for the frozen Weirwoods. It's currently animated by the fire of AA like Stoneheart is animated by Rhllor but this isn't her "true fire" or soul. The Weirwoods are similarly inhabited by a invasive fire and they need the soul (heart) of the tree to be put back or replaced.
Lightbringer stole/absorbed NN's fire/soul and we need to put it back.
great comparison from the weirwoods full of Azor Ahai to Stoneheart full of R'hllor power. you're a sharp cookie Mr Quirkus I appreciate ya
@@DavidLightbringer Thank you.
mountains blow in the wind like leaves is maybe the pyramids being destroyed somehow
Perfect beginning 12 seconds start to a video🕺🏻
Thanks Lads , another good one, cheers
I would imagine the Valyrians may have used the horns to strip dragon riding families of their dragons, or perhaps to claim dragons that had lost their riders but were outside of their lineage. Perhaps it was a version of marriage pacts in Valyria. Maybe sometimes instead of marriage pacts families would bind dragons to other families as a type of “marriage pact”.
Mountain falling 3:22:59 off the ledge/parapet/tower
I JUST FIGURED OUT WHO QUAITHE IS!
She's Mufasa.
she is!!
If Euron binds a dragon to his bloodline or blood relations he might be giving a dragon to some fun characters like Theon or Yasha. ❤
Severe diahorrea & malnutrition can be quite trippy, as can be stranding in the middle of nowhere. I speak from personal experience. Trippy
Arh, happy birthday, mate. Have a good one. Dont smoke too much, ay 😉
I feel like Dany may learn more of her heritage and dislike much of that which does not align with her current values and will eventually lead to validating her self sacrifice more and restoring her name in a profound way and become a song of ice and fire. Her song will become history.
Happy birthday! ✨️
Has the red doors been compared to the safety from God's curse on Egypt that passover represents?
It would fit with the less destructive interpretation of fire and blood.
Grateful Dead lyric of the week:
"The sky was yellow
And the sun was blue." ♥️
Happy Birthday!!
Great stream!
Happy birthday dude 🎉
Thanks!