Cali Moto TV I love your commitment to a dying sport. We need more like you. Please don’t give up what your doing. Your more appreciated then you probably know
Don't get me wrong I would take a new 2020 BMW S1000RR but I still love my current 2017 S1000RR. I've seen two friends with the new ones and it is nice indeed, but I'll wait until 2021 or even 2022, as they work out some bugs.
@@gts03 Nah, even in Germany and Austria some weren't to convinced about the Bike. They had to completely change the setup and fiddled more with it than actually driving it until they got it anywhere near to good driving. So even here we had some frustrated reviews.
The low power at low RPM is a manufacturer thing, which can be easily changed with a flashed ECU. Honestly no one should be sitting there scrolling through settings while you're actively racing, that's a safety issue and more than likely why they did that.
Kudos for your honesty. I’d never be able to ride a bike like you did. But I realize this is a track bike. You’ve put it beautifully through its paces and helped a lot of people make a more highly informed decision.👍
This is the first critical review that I’ve seen on TH-cam so far on the 2020 S1000RR. Great job sir!!! The other one was from the sales person at my local BMW Motorrad dealership, who also told me to wait for a factory tune, or just to get the 2018. Thanks for all that honesty, it is hard to come by.
I asked the tuning company you mentioned. It's apparently because of the US sound regulations mate. This spot isn't there on the Euro spec motorcycle. I guess this is going to stick.
Good review partner, and great riding! I too was excited for this release...I had a 2014 s1000rr, then sold that and got the 15, which was definitely a step above in most aspects. Love the new 2020, but then I started hearing chatter about this throttle issue due to in large part, BMW being castrated by the EPA/DOT. I think that due to the pressure from every angle, BMW released an unfinished product. Its just NOT a significant improvement. At $22,000, its not a value, or great enough.
TH-cam brought me here and I was about to click away but i decided to hear what you have to say. I like the way you review the bike. No stupid fancy comedy or horseshit like these other guys do. Just you, the bike and commentary. Whatever it is you are doing don't change a thing you have your commentary and review dialed in.
Nice review. I've heard the European models are as advertised but to get the full power of the bike u need a flash from bren tuning. shouldn't have to do that when u just spent $25k on a new ride!!
@@CaliMotoTV The EU bikes don't have any performance issues, they are as good as it sounds. It's not EU standards you have to complain about, it's US ones.
I demo rode this bike two weeks ago (posted video) and noticed the exact same issue - no power until 8000 rpm. I was so very unimpressed with this bike. When I test rode the Panigale V4, the power was constant everywhere and never quit. Just night and day between those two bikes. Having said that, once you get the new S1000RR over 8K rpm it’s an absolute rocket. But I don’t care one bit for that sort of power band, especially for street riding.
I noticed you have a full exhaust system on the bike. You definitely need to flash the ECU to match everything up. Like rejetting carburetors on older bikes. Maybe other restrictions like a snorkel in the airbox? My Yamaha TZR250 had one along with restrictors in the stock pipes, which I had removed before going to aftermarket pipes. BMW have rev limiters that is removed at the 600 mile break-in service by connecting the bike to a computer. They don't want people blowing up brand new engines. This bike won the Isle of Man TT in the Superbike and Senior classes, averaging 135+ mph.
I am just seeing this now, but about two months ago, after getting to test ride the new 2020 prior to purchase, I took back my deposit, and bought a 2019 still in the box for 8k less and now, after watching this, am even more grateful at my decision. Love the bike. Thank you for such an incredible review, so counter to anything I've seen.
I think BMW's logic was that, if you shift at redline as intended, you'll be high enough in the rev band in the next gear that you won't drop back into that annoying power dip. That makes some sense and I get that it's for noise compliance, but I would have preferred that they just supply it with a stupidly large muffler or something and not mess with the power delivery, because you can't always ride a liter bike to redline on the street, but you CAN replace a muffler. I feel like that noticeable power dip would make me sad.
That sucks. “Bren Tuning”. Fyi, he just came up with a tune for the 2020. I believe its $600 and removes all the complaints you had. Nomore 40-60% throttle under 9k rpm restrictions. No restrictions whatsoever. Full 100%. As for warranty, bren tuning said, “It's not impossible to find the flash but just plugging the bike into ISTA (dealer diagnostic tool), the flash will not show up. Even on warranty issues the flash will not show up. The only way BMW will kick it to a higher level for an in depth investigation of software is if they had an issue arise that would demand it. Like visible tampering to the ECU, etc. Then they would open a PUMA case and have it investigated by a BMW diagnostic specialist at that point.” Im not going to lie but i joined your channel due to the 2020 s1krr. Its unfortunate you gave up so easily on it but thats your choice and good luck with your future endeavors.
Looks pretty good from their website. Solves the idling issues and flat spot in the power curve. Pitty BMW is hamstrung by regulation and can’t tune the bike as it should be tuned from the factory.
I completely understand what you showed. A great review for BMW. I ride long distance touring sight spots. So I can thoroughly understand linearly throttle is the fundamental to keep in control in track and your safety. Sell it and get another brand. There are something else bikes doing well in track in the open market. I appreciate your honest review. Well done!
My 2011 S1000RR stock had mid range power issues till I installed a full Akro exhaust and power commander w a flash to match the pipe. I can say 191 HP to the ground did the trick. Gobs of mid range. Replaced the suspension with Ohlins, one visit with Dave moss and i was golden. The Sk1 is a man killer.
@@dr.jiIIaIicecooper2587 it is Euro 5 emissions compliant. All new bikes are fuelled shitty. Flash it or just drop a gear and get the revs up. Not really a problem.
If you feel there’s no power in low rpm, shouldn’t you down shift? I never rode a S1000RR but I know that my R1 has definitely a wider range of torque “availability” thanks to the CP4 engine. (CrossPlane). Still, I’m thinking that this new S1000RR ain’t solely made for track use but for road use compared to a V4S Panigale for instance (or V4R which is ridiculously expensive...)
From what I've heard the lack of mid range power is just down to the American emission laws. Here in Australia we don't have that issue and I'm pretty sure the European modern doesn't either. Aussie guys at 6tdegrees did a review on the bike and didn't have that problem.
I will be buying one soon. It will be my first sports bike and will be plenty fast enough for me. Sure its all about cruising down town and looking at yourself in shop windows.
It’s unfortunate that bmw couldn’t have put in a better effort. Unfortunately we get screwed in the US and always have. Our ecu is alway more restricted than the euro version. A lot of people talking about flashes and this and that. For the price you shouldn’t have to. It should be for improvements but you shouldn’t have to seek an aftermarket for a fix. I was trying to decide between the bmw and the Aprilia 1100 factory. I’m leaning towards the Aprilia. It is a better bike out of the box it seems.
Back in February I attended Superbike School in Vegas. I thought this machine was absolutely amazing. Obviously, I am a complete amateur and do not ride anywhere near this well so I respect this review. Keep them coming!
Really don’t see an issue with having to stop to change settings on the digital display. No matter where you are, it’s dangerous. They probably have to do this by law. Takes you away from concentrating on what you are doing, riding safely.
I think it's good you have to stop. Could you imagine catching the mode button and altering the wrong setting. It could seriously cause you problems. I would say the suspension is running soft at the front as you are featuring the throttle through the corner and therefore it's upsetting the balance because the setting is wrong in the first place. The flat spot sucks but if you have the right gear and keep a smooth throttle you can stay on the tip of it and get straight on the power. I really like the review and I like your honesty.
Honest guy, not kissing the ass of the companies, and of course he's right, you should always wait at least a year or two so they can perfect their imperfections. Great video and ill stick to my 2016.
Stay in lower gear in turns or get a Harley if you want high torque at low rev coming out of the turn... Nice smooth fast riding otherwise. I think this beast is special and just needs a little time to figure out where the G spot is... 😱😂😎
Just sold my 2020 today myself. Same reasons overall with bigger emphasis on the flat spots. At altitude where I'm at they're not flat spots, they're dead spots. I don't need a draft bike BMW.....
The loss was very minimal. Couple hundred $$$. Bike is rare at this point and some people would have the bike flashed like any other bike these days and risk the warranty. Also my bike came randomly with Pilot RS tires. Others came with Metzler. Very drafty crafty BMW. I would like my superbike with grippiest tire available, not something you found in a warehouse somewhere....
that's a lot of things to go through just to make a change man, i get your frustration bro. It's always good to be able to make a change quickly while riding.
Thanks for the honesty. You've saved peaple thousands. This is how you force manufacturers into fixing the problems. If the bike don't get a shit to of good reviews simply don't buy it. I love the bmw s1000rr. Ive got a 2016 i bought new in april 2016. Here it is july 2019 and I've put 30250 miles on it. I've been watching this new 2020 for some time. I have to say i'm let down. Speed bug is selling his 2020 also. Once again thank you for the truth.
It’s not a 600. It should not be anemic below 9 grand. Stop making excuses. Supposedly the whole reason for the shiftcam technology was to have power down low. Hoping BMW sorts the bike out soon.
I guess I don’t get it, depending on the motor character I change my shift points. Sounds like the flat spot is 3500 to 8500, so ride it like a 4 cyl 600. Keep it in the power band! I ride my 1290 twin different than my 1000 4 cylinder.
"There is no power here, see?!" - No shit dude.. you're in 5th gear, trying to race down the back straight. Drop a gear or 2. If you want low rpm power, get a Superduke R. Honestly, some of your points are valid.. like the sudden change with the shiftcam.. but most of the time, I feel you are nitpicking. You definitely (on this session you uploaded on TH-cam) didn't try to get the max performance out of this bike.
Your review was one of the most interesting videos I have seen and that is because you were able to evaluate, ride, and share your thoughts with us without throwing the bike down the track! I know, I've crashed twice at T Hill and my focus was on riding and nothing else. What you did was pretty remarkable in my opinion and I understand your frustration. From your power band description, the bike performed like an old turbo without a turbo. I wonder how BMW thought they could let this issue get by without anyone noticing? I wonder how they are responding to the chatter? Perhaps they are working like mad on a software upgrade? Furthermore, how can you race this machine under changing track conditions when you can't make on the fly adjustments? The advantage of all the electronics is kind of neutralized under those circumstances and it's certainly a PITA to have to enter the pits each time you want to make changes or simply fiddle with the suspension settings. I've had a number of sport bikes over the years, none have had any electronic aids, my Ducati 999R is a vintage 03 model and in my case I guess ignorance is bliss. In my world it's a hellava lot faster than me, but I love the bike. However, I've had the itch to own a more modern machine with the electronics just to have fun with the settings, truly a marvel of engineering by my standards. On the other hand, keeping it simple might be best because I would be the type to run off the track while messing with the buttons. Like flying an airplane and knowing stick and rudder, on a motorcycle I equate that to hand/ throttle control, basic principles no one should lose sight of. Thanks again and much appreciated.
Good review. I’ve heard a lot of great things about this bike. It is a beautiful machine and a lot of positives about it. I’ve heard other reviews about the dead spot at 6k to 8k rpms. Supposedly it’s only the bikes that they are sending here, to the USA.
The flat spot was done on purpose, not by mistake. How else do you expect BMW to pass through all the emission regulations without heavily restricting the bike? Shouldn't be a problem because who even rides stock ECU bikes anymore?
Ask Aprillia, Ducati, and the likes. Don't make exuses for BMW. They F'ed up this release. EPA affects all the same. This bike's had so many issues it's not even funny. Ticking noise, flat spot, delyed arrival, heavy vibration, dumb TPMS, user unfriendly display, some wheels with defects, etc.
gonna ask for the dumbest request but can you please give drills or practices to improve cornering. i'm sure you are very familiar with the track that's why you decelerate and accelerate at the right time but your cornering was just perfect
What you got in the US is the very first batch of S1000RR 2019 Models made in Spandau, Berlin. The real 2020 modelyear was just released by BMW Germany. It has one more package (carbon fibre package for 2k €) to order and one additional color "Hockenheim Silber" (silver) option. Rest stays 100% same to modelyear 2019. In Germany the "modelyear 2019" has a callback for 340 Machines as well as a software update that is done with the first service. Furthermore the ECU of the US bikes differs from the EU-software. Gear 2,3,4 and 5 are limited in throttle response. The reason is kind of dubios. Word on the forums is, that it has something to do with emissions. The bikes delievered in Germany now (orginally scheduled for april) are fast and brutal as hell and way faster than the old S1000RR. I orderd mine (fully loaded) in November 2018 and got no bike until now. It is scheduled for october ... I road the bike and its way better than the old s1000rr, but i can feal your anger about beeing second class customer.
Dude 1st off great video!!!! Very honest I like that you have a new subscriber. I was able to see what you were explaining. It's a lot of hype around all the new bikes! Good to see an all around review.
I love a good honest review. Only a handful of youtubers do this anymore. Look at afancyanimal youtube page and look at the speedbug page, they put in their 2 cents on this bike too.
Motonosity just posted about this exact issue and got a re-flashed ECU and problem is gone. Interesting how I just watched his video about it earlier tonight and now I found your video complaining if the same exact think. All beemer 1000RR's USA spec'd bikes I believe were shipped this way.
How does wheelie control work? Doesn't it stop you from doing wheelies by restricting the power? If so, wouldn't that be the reason why you are not getting power at lower RPMs?
Is the lap time quicker? Irrespective of engine performance? Sometimes its just a smoother power delivery. Having heaps of torque feel behind the seat does not mean one is going quicker could be the suspension is tuned better? If your lap times are slower than the previous model then that sucks... had my hopes up for this bike.
@@CaliMotoTV All your points are valid. I have ridden both and the US bike is decidedly worse. It needs a new full exhaust system put onto it and remapped on a dyno to get the most out of it.
Yeah... fly by wire is awesome when it works... Keep pushing the envelope, dude - it benefits all of us. :) When this dude comes up behind me in the twisties on any bike - I'll be the dude that he says, like "get out of my way grandpa"... lol and my 1999 R1100RT will still have more to give than I can ever use. You push it on the track, and I will continue to ride the highways and byways, and we will all get along just famous.
Coming out of a corner in 5th gear at 100 mph talking about how its pinned and you have no power?the bike should be in 2nd gear at that speed.its not the bike,its you 😂
I guess I don’t understand. You are comparing your stock 2020 to your heavily modified 2015 that has countless hours of set up on it to get it just perfect for you. Set the 2015 back to stock, anything that had a tool put on it gets undone. Now which one is better out of the box so we can make an educated decision on which model to purchase?
The dip in the mid rev range is not a flaw that BMW missed, it is on purpose due to DOT noise regulation. I believe you can easily tune it out but I guess that means 700 bucks to restore the bike to the stock euro map, which is dumb. BMW should offer free *race* map for people who want only stay on *track*.
Indeed, in Europe the reviews are completely the opposite, that it has gained a lot of mid-range, more torque as compared to the old bike. The conclusion is that U.S. bikes seem to be electronically limited.
@@CaliMotoTV Shit I just realized that voids your warranty. I did it to my Tuono and thought, fuck I hate the fact now I have no warranty, but then it never bothered me since the bike was reliable AF.
Interesting that there's more going on than just the flat spot from @7200-8200 which is supposedly related to the exhaust flapper valve (and related map). Since it looks like you've got the full Akrapovic system, I guess that's not the whole story.
Everything is working correctly and how it was intended to. The problem is the requirements. BMW therefor had to tune it differently for the US than for the EU-markets.
It's really a shame BMW doesn't offer some kind of "courtesy tune" through the dealership which gives you the Euro spec tune at some kind of nominal fee. These bikes are nuts once they are sorted out. Even the stock Euro bikes put out more HP and don't have as horrible of a dip.
Never buy first model year anything. Period. The flat spot throttle restriction on the US model is ridiculous. I'll hang on too my 16 for a couple more years.
Sadly, i feel the same way about my 20, not sure if i'll let it go, or keep it and pray BMW, releases a update to fix some of the throttle shortcomings..
Cali Moto TV I mean realistically, if it wasn’t for the poor power delivery, overall it woulda been a worthy successor.. the power we have available in 6th gear alone from freeway speed, up, are a testament that the engine is a monster, just we don’t get all of it, and paid for all of it and thensome..
Shift cams are kind of a gimmick. Ideally you stay above 8,000 rpm the whole time. They change the lift but not the valve diameter so volumetric efficiency is not optimized.
Its rough when I can hear the engine tick just from his simple mic. I've had 2 BMW's but time to try something a bit different. While a flash can fix some of the issues it's not s fix all and regardless of what you say flash tuners cant tell you if BMW has a hidden counter yet so they could possibly void your warranty.
Cali Moto TV looking more info with this issue, i find there are really massive restrictions with throttle mapping going on.. -50hp down😱brentuning solved this issue with flash, go check that out.
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Finally an honest reviewer as opposed to a manufacturer kiss ass who lies to get demos. If something is too hyped to be true, it is.
Cali Moto TV I love your commitment to a dying sport. We need more like you. Please don’t give up what your doing. Your more appreciated then you probably know
Shawn Reid nobody is lying. Almost all reviews have come from the eu version without the restrictions. It’s North America that got fucked.
Don't get me wrong I would take a new 2020 BMW S1000RR but I still love my current 2017 S1000RR. I've seen two friends with the new ones and it is nice indeed, but I'll wait until 2021 or even 2022, as they work out some bugs.
Agree
@@gts03 Nah, even in Germany and Austria some weren't to convinced about the Bike. They had to completely change the setup and fiddled more with it than actually driving it until they got it anywhere near to good driving. So even here we had some frustrated reviews.
Guy talks, adjusts bike, gives point to point explanations.... all while lapping everyone
I was thinking the same thing. Boss.
Exactly what I was thinking .. holy shit
Absolutely impressive. lol
Didn't y'all know Cali Moto is actually Iron Man?! LOL!
Awesome description :)
The low power at low RPM is a manufacturer thing, which can be easily changed with a flashed ECU. Honestly no one should be sitting there scrolling through settings while you're actively racing, that's a safety issue and more than likely why they did that.
Kudos for your honesty. I’d never be able to ride a bike like you did. But I realize this is a track bike. You’ve put it beautifully through its paces and helped a lot of people make a more highly informed decision.👍
Motonosity just flashed his with some Bren tuning thing and seems happy that it resolved his issue.
This is the first critical review that I’ve seen on TH-cam so far on the 2020 S1000RR. Great job sir!!! The other one was from the sales person at my local BMW Motorrad dealership, who also told me to wait for a factory tune, or just to get the 2018. Thanks for all that honesty, it is hard to come by.
You can expect integrity from Bill at all times... Good dude....
I asked the tuning company you mentioned. It's apparently because of the US sound regulations mate. This spot isn't there on the Euro spec motorcycle. I guess this is going to stick.
This is why you should always wait at least a year when a new model comes out till you buy one
100% agree
@@CaliMotoTV . When the first S1000rr came out it had problems. The last gen had been perfected over many years.
@@CaliMotoTV . Cant blame it all on emissions because other manufacturers of bikes dont have this cut throttle issues like this BMW
Lol agreed this is why I’m waiting told my wife I was excited about it but I’ll wait there’s always recalls etc on new models
Good review partner, and great riding! I too was excited for this release...I had a 2014 s1000rr, then sold that and got the 15, which was definitely a step above in most aspects. Love the new 2020, but then I started hearing chatter about this throttle issue due to in large part, BMW being castrated by the EPA/DOT. I think that due to the pressure from every angle, BMW released an unfinished product. Its just NOT a significant improvement. At $22,000, its not a value, or great enough.
TH-cam brought me here and I was about to click away but i decided to hear what you have to say. I like the way you review the bike. No stupid fancy comedy or horseshit like these other guys do. Just you, the bike and commentary. Whatever it is you are doing don't change a thing you have your commentary and review dialed in.
This is probably the best review I've seen in a long time. Props to you for being able to rip like that and critique at the same time. lol
You'll be BACK!!!
650ib is that flat spot what you talked about with your bmw?
It's the old school vtech boys
Hey, it's everybody's good buddy 650ib. 👋
Nice review. I've heard the European models are as advertised but to get the full power of the bike u need a flash from bren tuning. shouldn't have to do that when u just spent $25k on a new ride!!
But that's down to your local emissions laws. In Europe we don't have the same restrictions.
They’re putting to many electronics on these motorcycles,that’s why I stay with the older bikes
Mike and Alivia Hudson they’re but at the same time better laptimes which in sportbikes is what matters every millisecond
@@CaliMotoTV The EU bikes don't have any performance issues, they are as good as it sounds.
It's not EU standards you have to complain about, it's US ones.
I demo rode this bike two weeks ago (posted video) and noticed the exact same issue - no power until 8000 rpm. I was so very unimpressed with this bike. When I test rode the Panigale V4, the power was constant everywhere and never quit. Just night and day between those two bikes. Having said that, once you get the new S1000RR over 8K rpm it’s an absolute rocket. But I don’t care one bit for that sort of power band, especially for street riding.
I noticed you have a full exhaust system on the bike. You definitely need to flash the ECU to match everything up. Like rejetting carburetors on older bikes. Maybe other restrictions like a snorkel in the airbox? My Yamaha TZR250 had one along with restrictors in the stock pipes, which I had removed before going to aftermarket pipes. BMW have rev limiters that is removed at the 600 mile break-in service by connecting the bike to a computer. They don't want people blowing up brand new engines. This bike won the Isle of Man TT in the Superbike and Senior classes, averaging 135+ mph.
This is the honest review I ever seen, love it.
Did test drive it, and the brakes are just perfect. I absolutely loved them.
I am just seeing this now, but about two months ago, after getting to test ride the new 2020 prior to purchase, I took back my deposit, and bought a 2019 still in the box for 8k less and now, after watching this, am even more grateful at my decision. Love the bike.
Thank you for such an incredible review, so counter to anything I've seen.
The sound of that QS in high rpms though 🤤
You are a multi-tasking master
I think BMW's logic was that, if you shift at redline as intended, you'll be high enough in the rev band in the next gear that you won't drop back into that annoying power dip. That makes some sense and I get that it's for noise compliance, but I would have preferred that they just supply it with a stupidly large muffler or something and not mess with the power delivery, because you can't always ride a liter bike to redline on the street, but you CAN replace a muffler. I feel like that noticeable power dip would make me sad.
that dead spot kinda essentially turns the bike into a 600
“I’m trying to get use to the bike” while passing everyone like it’s nothin 🏍
That sucks. “Bren Tuning”. Fyi, he just came up with a tune for the 2020. I believe its $600 and removes all the complaints you had. Nomore 40-60% throttle under 9k rpm restrictions. No restrictions whatsoever. Full 100%. As for warranty, bren tuning said, “It's not impossible to find the flash but just plugging the bike into ISTA (dealer diagnostic tool), the flash will not show up. Even on warranty issues the flash will not show up. The only way BMW will kick it to a higher level for an in depth investigation of software is if they had an issue arise that would demand it. Like visible tampering to the ECU, etc. Then they would open a PUMA case and have it investigated by a BMW diagnostic specialist at that point.”
Im not going to lie but i joined your channel due to the 2020 s1krr. Its unfortunate you gave up so easily on it but thats your choice and good luck with your future endeavors.
Cali Moto TV i just got my 2020 2 days ago. I know the flat spot u speak of. Make it public. It helps others know
Looks pretty good from their website. Solves the idling issues and flat spot in the power curve. Pitty BMW is hamstrung by regulation and can’t tune the bike as it should be tuned from the factory.
@@CaliMotoTV what other issues...please tell us? (Readies bag of popcorn)....
No other issue you rushed
I completely understand what you showed. A great review for BMW. I ride long distance touring sight spots. So I can thoroughly understand linearly throttle is the fundamental to keep in control in track and your safety. Sell it and get another brand. There are something else bikes doing well in track in the open market. I appreciate your honest review. Well done!
My 2011 S1000RR stock had mid range power issues till I installed a full Akro exhaust and power commander w a flash to match the pipe. I can say 191 HP to the ground did the trick. Gobs of mid range. Replaced the suspension with Ohlins, one visit with Dave moss and i was golden. The Sk1 is a man killer.
I’d flash that shit right out of it warranty or not. But I do totally understand your frustration.
Yeah flash that shit and it's gonna blow right away with no restrictions LoL. And then 2020 S1000rr for sale with 1500mi, just 40mi on new engine.
@@CaliMotoTV What is so funny man?
@@dr.jiIIaIicecooper2587 it is Euro 5 emissions compliant.
All new bikes are fuelled shitty.
Flash it or just drop a gear and get the revs up.
Not really a problem.
Good video. I am riding a 2018 S1000XR myself, and love it. Have not demo'ed a 2020 RR yet, but will, just to to get a feel for it.
If you feel there’s no power in low rpm, shouldn’t you down shift?
I never rode a S1000RR but I know that my R1 has definitely a wider range of torque “availability” thanks to the CP4 engine. (CrossPlane).
Still, I’m thinking that this new S1000RR ain’t solely made for track use but for road use compared to a V4S Panigale for instance (or V4R which is ridiculously expensive...)
"I've pinned it, there's nothing, nothing, nothing...…..then bamm!"
From what I've heard the lack of mid range power is just down to the American emission laws. Here in Australia we don't have that issue and I'm pretty sure the European modern doesn't either. Aussie guys at 6tdegrees did a review on the bike and didn't have that problem.
I only come on your channel for this bike. Well I guess I see you again when you get the 2021.
Adios
Cali Moto TV I’m in the same boat with mine. Spoke to my dealer about it today...Might sell it and get another RSV4 Factory.
The bike is set on 'surviving' mode.
I will be buying one soon. It will be my first sports bike and will be plenty fast enough for me. Sure its all about cruising down town and looking at yourself in shop windows.
It’s unfortunate that bmw couldn’t have put in a better effort. Unfortunately we get screwed in the US and always have. Our ecu is alway more restricted than the euro version. A lot of people talking about flashes and this and that. For the price you shouldn’t have to. It should be for improvements but you shouldn’t have to seek an aftermarket for a fix. I was trying to decide between the bmw and the Aprilia 1100 factory. I’m leaning towards the Aprilia. It is a better bike out of the box it seems.
Cant you import an European spec bike into the USA ?
Back in February I attended Superbike School in Vegas. I thought this machine was absolutely amazing. Obviously, I am a complete amateur and do not ride anywhere near this well so I respect this review.
Keep them coming!
Really don’t see an issue with having to stop to change settings on the digital display. No matter where you are, it’s dangerous. They probably have to do this by law. Takes you away from concentrating on what you are doing, riding safely.
I think it's good you have to stop. Could you imagine catching the mode button and altering the wrong setting. It could seriously cause you problems. I would say the suspension is running soft at the front as you are featuring the throttle through the corner and therefore it's upsetting the balance because the setting is wrong in the first place. The flat spot sucks but if you have the right gear and keep a smooth throttle you can stay on the tip of it and get straight on the power. I really like the review and I like your honesty.
Honest guy, not kissing the ass of the companies, and of course he's right, you should always wait at least a year or two so they can perfect their imperfections. Great video and ill stick to my 2016.
Drop a gear or two man. Cmon.
Rod Jermy Or ride at higher rpm.just thinking out loud
Andy Gascon. Same thing isn’t it?
Stay in lower gear in turns or get a Harley if you want high torque at low rev coming out of the turn... Nice smooth fast riding otherwise. I think this beast is special and just needs a little time to figure out where the G spot is... 😱😂😎
Just sold my 2020 today myself. Same reasons overall with bigger emphasis on the flat spots. At altitude where I'm at they're not flat spots, they're dead spots. I don't need a draft bike BMW.....
The loss was very minimal. Couple hundred $$$. Bike is rare at this point and some people would have the bike flashed like any other bike these days and risk the warranty.
Also my bike came randomly with Pilot RS tires. Others came with Metzler. Very drafty crafty BMW. I would like my superbike with grippiest tire available, not something you found in a warehouse somewhere....
Phenomenal run through and review. Answered many questions and raised new concerns.
that's a lot of things to go through just to make a change man, i get your frustration bro. It's always good to be able to make a change quickly while riding.
Most people who buy this bike will never track it. They'll be down at Starbucks kicking tires, or cruising up and down their local strip mall area.
that will be me
You are 100% right.
Yup a guy at my job got one and boy does he think he's the shit!!!!!!
Thanks for the honesty. You've saved peaple thousands. This is how you force manufacturers into fixing the problems. If the bike don't get a shit to of good reviews simply don't buy it. I love the bmw s1000rr. Ive got a 2016 i bought new in april 2016. Here it is july 2019 and I've put 30250 miles on it. I've been watching this new 2020 for some time. I have to say i'm let down. Speed bug is selling his 2020 also. Once again thank you for the truth.
It’s made for the track not a grocery getter
Keep it in the power it’s a race bike it should never be below 8 grand on the track
It’s not a 600. It should not be anemic below 9 grand. Stop making excuses. Supposedly the whole reason for the shiftcam technology was to have power down low. Hoping BMW sorts the bike out soon.
I guess I don’t get it, depending on the motor character I change my shift points. Sounds like the flat spot is 3500 to 8500, so ride it like a 4 cyl 600. Keep it in the power band! I ride my 1290 twin different than my 1000 4 cylinder.
Fk it bro, if she gotta go, she gotta go.
"There is no power here, see?!" - No shit dude.. you're in 5th gear, trying to race down the back straight. Drop a gear or 2. If you want low rpm power, get a Superduke R. Honestly, some of your points are valid.. like the sudden change with the shiftcam.. but most of the time, I feel you are nitpicking. You definitely (on this session you uploaded on TH-cam) didn't try to get the max performance out of this bike.
Your review was one of the most interesting videos I have seen and that is because you were able to evaluate, ride, and share your thoughts with us without throwing the bike down the track! I know, I've crashed twice at T Hill and my focus was on riding and nothing else. What you did was pretty remarkable in my opinion and I understand your frustration. From your power band description, the bike performed like an old turbo without a turbo. I wonder how BMW thought they could let this issue get by without anyone noticing? I wonder how they are responding to the chatter? Perhaps they are working like mad on a software upgrade? Furthermore, how can you race this machine under changing track conditions when you can't make on the fly adjustments? The advantage of all the electronics is kind of neutralized under those circumstances and it's certainly a PITA to have to enter the pits each time you want to make changes or simply fiddle with the suspension settings.
I've had a number of sport bikes over the years, none have had any electronic aids, my Ducati 999R is a vintage 03 model and in my case I guess ignorance is bliss. In my world it's a hellava lot faster than me, but I love the bike. However, I've had the itch to own a more modern machine with the electronics just to have fun with the settings, truly a marvel of engineering by my standards. On the other hand, keeping it simple might be best because I would be the type to run off the track while messing with the buttons. Like flying an airplane and knowing stick and rudder, on a motorcycle I equate that to hand/ throttle control, basic principles no one should lose sight of.
Thanks again and much appreciated.
I don't see how he could concentrate talking while going around the track. He is a great rider.
A track time comparison between this and the old model would have been cool with your abilities.
Good review. I’ve heard a lot of great things about this bike. It is a beautiful machine and a lot of positives about it. I’ve heard other reviews about the dead spot at 6k to 8k rpms. Supposedly it’s only the bikes that they are sending here, to the USA.
The flat spot was done on purpose, not by mistake. How else do you expect BMW to pass through all the emission regulations without heavily restricting the bike? Shouldn't be a problem because who even rides stock ECU bikes anymore?
Ask Aprillia, Ducati, and the likes. Don't make exuses for BMW. They F'ed up this release. EPA affects all the same. This bike's had so many issues it's not even funny. Ticking noise, flat spot, delyed arrival, heavy vibration, dumb TPMS, user unfriendly display, some wheels with defects, etc.
plus the reason why they have a 3 year 36k mile warranty and others do not.
The ones who dont want there warranty deleted
@@644loic .The newer Newer BMWs like 2017s and up cannot be flashed back to stock by yourself.
@@644loic . Hes working on it
gonna ask for the dumbest request but can you please give drills or practices to improve cornering. i'm sure you are very familiar with the track that's why you decelerate and accelerate at the right time but your cornering was just perfect
What you got in the US is the very first batch of S1000RR 2019 Models made in Spandau, Berlin. The real 2020 modelyear was just released by BMW Germany. It has one more package (carbon fibre package for 2k €) to order and one additional color "Hockenheim Silber" (silver) option. Rest stays 100% same to modelyear 2019. In Germany the "modelyear 2019" has a callback for 340 Machines as well as a software update that is done with the first service. Furthermore the ECU of the US bikes differs from the EU-software. Gear 2,3,4 and 5 are limited in throttle response. The reason is kind of dubios. Word on the forums is, that it has something to do with emissions.
The bikes delievered in Germany now (orginally scheduled for april) are fast and brutal as hell and way faster than the old S1000RR.
I orderd mine (fully loaded) in November 2018 and got no bike until now. It is scheduled for october ...
I road the bike and its way better than the old s1000rr, but i can feal your anger about beeing second class customer.
Dude 1st off great video!!!! Very honest I like that you have a new subscriber. I was able to see what you were explaining. It's a lot of hype around all the new bikes! Good to see an all around review.
Thanks for the review bro! I am going to keep my 2016 s1krr and wait until they fix all the problems with the new BMW. Also I want it in black lol
Have yall seen the grey it's coming in 😍 look it up real quick.
Where did you you see they grey one?
Reviewer of the year !! Cut the check 4 this guy bmw
Thank you, just confirmed my decision to wait for 2021!!
I love a good honest review. Only a handful of youtubers do this anymore. Look at afancyanimal youtube page and look at the speedbug page, they put in their 2 cents on this bike too.
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Did you get the rev limiter taken off? It's capped until you bring it in for the first maintenance (600 miles), and they disable it.
you should change down when you come to a corner so that when you you come out you have all the power you need
Motonosity just posted about this exact issue and got a re-flashed ECU and problem is gone. Interesting how I just watched his video about it earlier tonight and now I found your video complaining if the same exact think. All beemer 1000RR's USA spec'd bikes I believe were shipped this way.
Thanks for the honest review m8, love to know how you get such good audio? I can’t even hear the bike thru my camera
Guessing wired mic inside helmet ?
Cali Moto TV what stereo mic do you use?
The emphasis behind the word "Nothing" sold me 😁. Great insight. Subscribed!
At first I thought this was from 650ib
Man I get nervous hahaha great riding man. And if that bike cant deliver and you're still doing work on the track then the sale is believable!!
Have mine on order. Was told today to expect maybe September or early October . Could you please explain the other issues you spoke of??
How does wheelie control work? Doesn't it stop you from doing wheelies by restricting the power? If so, wouldn't that be the reason why you are not getting power at lower RPMs?
My son has the same problem with his 2020 S 1000 M. He had it Brentuned, but it is never the same as his 2018
I congratulate you for not making do with it and being honest enough to say it's not good enough yet.
What is your opinion on the 2021?
Is the lap time quicker? Irrespective of engine performance? Sometimes its just a smoother power delivery. Having heaps of torque feel behind the seat does not mean one is going quicker could be the suspension is tuned better? If your lap times are slower than the previous model then that sucks... had my hopes up for this bike.
Is ur issue not due to it being a USA spec bike ? The Euro spec bike is a rocket 🚀
@@CaliMotoTV All your points are valid. I have ridden both and the US bike is decidedly worse. It needs a new full exhaust system put onto it and remapped on a dyno to get the most out of it.
Yeah...
fly by wire is awesome when it works... Keep pushing the envelope, dude - it benefits all of us. :)
When this dude comes up behind me in the twisties on any bike - I'll be the dude that he says, like "get out of my way grandpa"... lol
and my 1999 R1100RT will still have more to give than I can ever use. You push it on the track, and I will continue to ride the highways and byways, and we will all get along just famous.
Coming out of a corner in 5th gear at 100 mph talking about how its pinned and you have no power?the bike should be in 2nd gear at that speed.its not the bike,its you 😂
Erik 1000 I know right?! The speeds he’s going he could’ve of basically left it in second for the whole lap...
I was thinking the same, but then again I don’t ride a liter bike so there’s that. Lol
im just sitting here thinking how many times he would have lapped me on my MT-09 lol
Depends on the rider
A sorted rg500 would undo that pile of electronics posthaste .
This guy is a Boss on this bike
Motorcycles are getting TOO COMPLICATED.
I guess I don’t understand. You are comparing your stock 2020 to your heavily modified 2015 that has countless hours of set up on it to get it just perfect for you. Set the 2015 back to stock, anything that had a tool put on it gets undone. Now which one is better out of the box so we can make an educated decision on which model to purchase?
on the track with mirrors? this is -for example- in Germany not aloud
The dip in the mid rev range is not a flaw that BMW missed, it is on purpose due to DOT noise regulation. I believe you can easily tune it out but I guess that means 700 bucks to restore the bike to the stock euro map, which is dumb.
BMW should offer free *race* map for people who want only stay on *track*.
Indeed, in Europe the reviews are completely the opposite, that it has gained a lot of mid-range, more torque as compared to the old bike. The conclusion is that U.S. bikes seem to be electronically limited.
@@CaliMotoTV Shit I just realized that voids your warranty. I did it to my Tuono and thought, fuck I hate the fact now I have no warranty, but then it never bothered me since the bike was reliable AF.
That 2015 looks way better anyways
Interesting that there's more going on than just the flat spot from @7200-8200 which is supposedly related to the exhaust flapper valve (and related map). Since it looks like you've got the full Akrapovic system, I guess that's not the whole story.
Everything is working correctly and how it was intended to.
The problem is the requirements. BMW therefor had to tune it differently for the US than for the EU-markets.
It's that old school vtech boys. But boy when that vtech kicks in....... Zaazoooom!!!
Bmw have the vanos system.
So it has shift cam technology but still rides like an R1... lol.
It's really a shame BMW doesn't offer some kind of "courtesy tune" through the dealership which gives you the Euro spec tune at some kind of nominal fee. These bikes are nuts once they are sorted out. Even the stock Euro bikes put out more HP and don't have as horrible of a dip.
@@CaliMotoTV That is sad and pathetic indeed! Like we really need to worry about these 50mpg+ motorcycles ruining the environment... right ...
Well that suck's...but at least you have the r9t cafe racer which is awesome 🔥
Great video. Ahh sucks about the power curve, but so fun to listen to this bikes whistle howl ... almost superchargerish.
Never buy first model year anything. Period. The flat spot throttle restriction on the US model is ridiculous. I'll hang on too my 16 for a couple more years.
Sadly, i feel the same way about my 20, not sure if i'll let it go, or keep it and pray BMW, releases a update to fix some of the throttle shortcomings..
Cali Moto TV yea hopefully, but like you, I’m
Still rocking my 15, with 31k miles, she ain’t slowing down anytime soon..
Cali Moto TV I mean realistically, if it wasn’t for the poor power delivery, overall it woulda been a worthy successor.. the power we have available in 6th gear alone from freeway speed, up, are a testament that the engine is a monster, just we don’t get all of it, and paid for all of it and thensome..
Cali Moto TV is that the sputtering? I got it one time during cold star and turned off. Restarted and it went away. I need a tune.
Oh yea, even shuts itself off sometimes.. they didn’t tune the bike from factory... got 1500hp. Cars that start better
Oh yea, even shuts itself off sometimes.. they didn’t tune the bike from factory... got 1500hp. Cars that start better
Shift cams are kind of a gimmick. Ideally you stay above 8,000 rpm the whole time. They change the lift but not the valve diameter so volumetric efficiency is not optimized.
Sport bikes are designed for sustained high rpm's, the oil passages, cooling, and engine internals are setup for high rpm, low load.
Sounds like when they do all it will need is a software update knowing BMW . Also for most they will never notice this and enjoy the bike.
So you sold it cause you can’t afford it...
He sold because it did not meet his Standards...did you not watch the video?
He's rich dude. He owns the track.
Its rough when I can hear the engine tick just from his simple mic. I've had 2 BMW's but time to try something a bit different. While a flash can fix some of the issues it's not s fix all and regardless of what you say flash tuners cant tell you if BMW has a hidden counter yet so they could possibly void your warranty.
I loved my 2011.S1000rr is the best bike for the road and also, it’s so confortable
S1000rr always limit your throttle.. what dtc profile are you using? Does lean angle make any difference with that lag?
Cali Moto TV looking more info with this issue, i find there are really massive restrictions with throttle mapping going on.. -50hp down😱brentuning solved this issue with flash, go check that out.
I know you probably just ordered the V4R is all!!!! LOL!!! Gotcha.....