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- Artis and Moses duel in 1983/84 RS. Neither of them were at their best, but they put up the fight against each other. Moses showed goodness of his midrange game while Gilmore dominated inside. In the end, A-Train won the rebounding battle 20 to 17.
Artis Gilmore - 18 pts, 20 rebs, 1 ast on 7/14 FG
Moses Malone - 22 pts, 17 rebs, 2 ast on 10/18 FG
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Gilmore presence on court is amazing, old school big men really could anchor the paint and changed way you played, as great as Jordan, Bird, Magic and others are - The Wilts, Russells, Nate Thurmonds, Artis Gilmores and Kareems, their size and presence can take away from other teams and add a huge advantage to their teams, even guys like Mark Eaton their paint presence is tremendous. Todays NBA has stats are like baseball steroid era is just full of asterisks and unknowns because these guys today have never really contended with this kind of size. Watching the European Baby Shaq vs team USA with Lebron, you could just imagine the reality check these guys of today would have facing old school big men who played in way more physical eras, todays NBA is like trampoline halftime show compared to these old school titanic matchups of the big men, where as todays big matchups are perimeter since mid 90s. Moses Malone is kind of like Ol School Amare Stoudemire and here you got Artis G nullifying Malone's energy on the boards, Artis definitely under appreciated and not talked about enough. Thanks for vids as usual top notch.
Well written
Joel embiid is the answer for artis lol
Isiah hartenstein, Jakob poetl, all 7 foot and 250+, embiid would foul artis off the court with his flopping but physical positioning, position like Shaq go up like harden
Both Gilmore and Malone are very underrated and forgotten centers.
Gilmore was the best center in the ABA (aba champ; rookie of year; MVP ; 11 time all star and 4x rebounding champ)
Malone was one of the best rebounders in history, champ and 3 time MVP and finals MVP!
Just loved watching these greats battle back in the day. Some legends on that court.
A fact to know is Prime Moses Malone was 28 and the Post-prime A-Train was 34 during that season...
Moses Malone usually dominated physical matchups against most centers, but not here against Gilmore. Gilmore even prevented Moses from getting his signature offensive rebounds.
Moses was fortunate to have his mid-range jumper in his arsenal, otherwise he would have had no answer for Gilmore's size and shotblocking.
Gilmore was a beast, and should be considered a top 10-15 center of all time.
I have Gilmore ranked 8th all-time when combining his ABA and NBA numbers (could make the case for either Willis Reed, Bill Walton, or Arvydas Sabonis for 7th on that list; Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Hakeem Olajuwon, Bill Russell, Shaquille O'Neal, and Moses Malone pretty much have 1-6 locked up at the moment). Wish more people like myself could've seen him in his ABA prime. Easily the top center in that league and quite possibly Top 3 in all of pro-basketball during that time period. His durability was very underrated. Aside from one major knee injury that cut his 1979-80 season short, the big man just never missed many games his entire pro career.
@@PeekaPeep artis gilmore had knee surgery
Even Moses in his prime couldn't move a slightly declining A-Train (STILL an All-Star level big at that time, mind you) out of the paint to get those boards as easily as he did against other bigs back then, amazing!
It's not easy to fight under the boards against such a powerfull man. I don't think that anybody would move 1980-87 A-Train out of the paint consistently!
Malone was a far better player though.
@@MrScott4020 Yeah, from about 1979-85 when he was the undisputed top big man in the league. HOWEVER, 1972-78-era Gilmore was an absolute monster who in his ABA Colonels prime nearly played the whole game and NEVER missed any during those seasons, either. That Gilmore would've had his way with Moses more often than not too because he was a superior defender in the paint and a lot more mobile than he was in the 80s when he really started to pack on the muscle. Gotta keep it in perspective, buddy!
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@@PeekaPeep Gilmore at his apex wouldn't have been a dominated at any point Moses Malone in his prime ,,, a young straight out of highschool Moses Malone campaign inthe ABA in 1975" all rookie team" was terrific ,Gilmore crafted his efficient repertoire from 4 years of collegiate basketball and it still wasn't enough to supplant his elite best years above Moses Malone ,who even as an professional teenager was a worthy test for a seasoned pro like Gilmore . The contrast between them is huge in terms of prime production ,and Moses Malone actually made first team all defensive team in ,83 ,second team 79 ,and his defense overall actually was excellent ,not the shot locker ,shot altered presence that Gilmore was, but he wasn't a zero either,a string body in body ,move his man out of position inthe paint defender ,who did get a respective share of blocked and altered shots occasionally .Moses 22.3 pts 12.7 rebs per game vs Gilmore's 15:6 pts 8.7 rebs per contest vs Moses is the only factual confirmation we can utilize to determine the objective outcome ,Gilmore in 1978 made the team all NBA 2 defensive team ,while still in his prime at 30 years old ,Moses avg 24.8 17.6 rebs per game in 78 .At what rational era in these two Hof gentlemen career would Artis Gilmore dominate Moses Malone ? Never ,no one would deny Artis Gilmore was a defiant obstacle in side the paint ,nor state he didn't make his mark onthe glass ,but he wasn't quick enough off of his feet, had the innate inexhaustible stamina , to adequately contender with Moses inthe boards ,lacked the versatility offensively " was primarily a close to the rim screen " to cause Moses a inordinate amount of problems ,was missing the lateral quickness to derail Moses drives towards the basket consistently . Strength vs strength ,Mises Malone pound for pound was amongst the strongest men in NBA history ,he handed out bruises to goliaths inside the paint ,so Gilmore's percieved strength asset advantage at it's maximum is small if it's that . Context must be applied properly my fellow sports fan . Moses Malone peak is amongst the top tier with the truly great centers Wilt,Kareem ,Hakeem, Shaquille ,, no one who is cognizant about the historical aspect of the NBA has ever stated that about Artis Gilmore . One solid game performance by Gilmore vs Moses dosent dismiss the fact that Moses outplayed Gilmore more often then the other way around . 78 ,82 NBA Moses Malone vs 74 ,75ABA Artis Gilmore ? No one is selecting Gilmore , last time i checked,Moses Malone captured 3 NBA MVP Trophy's , directed two of his teams to NBA finals appearances ,conquering Lakers teams Artis couldn't help his team defeat ,dint forget ,those Spurs were talented ,more talented then Malone's 81 Rockets team .Respect again towards both legendary NBA gentlemen .
Moses always had the quickness advantage over Gilmore. Malone could move laterally better than most big men. More importantly his greatest skill was in his quick leaping ability. Moses could jump 2 or 3 times while Kareem or Artis got up once.
Underrated quick jumper.
I didn't get to see Gilmore play much until past his prime. I liked his style. I think he was like Wilt, and was concerned about, possibly hurting people, badly, if he became too aggressive, which indicates a good person, with priorities straight.
I have a lot of Gilmore video on my channel. He's one of my favorite players ever even though I've never seen him live.
Gilmore and Wilt were similar : around the same size - although Gilmore was a bit taller and Wilt was a bit heavier later in his career, and even stronger, & much more athletic.
*Note - Gilmore was closer to 280 than 265, here....
@@ericstrat3579 artis gilmore was like a modern day wilt with a lefty hook shot, they played against each other in aba vs nba all star game
lloyd kline yep. Wilt Chamberlain Archive has that video... Wilt actually bullied young Artis in the game.
@@ericstrat3579 i seen it it was an nba vs aba all star game, wilt wanted to playin the aba l.a.lakers would not let him
The two most underrated Centers of all time.
I think Gilmore was the most dominant low post player ever. Not the biggest scorer, not the best player , but Everyone knew if he got the ball down low it was over. Wilt was a better athlete , just as strong , and faster. Artis was fast in the ABA , but became more muscled up and slower in NBA Gilmore hands weren’t as good as Wilts either. But when it comes to posting up , and then muscling up shots down low , think Artis was the best ever . He was very unselfish. He had such a presence . Had to work harder to score , but he could have scored more. His FG percent says it all. Artis also at times seem to disappear, and was so laid back. Not as comfortable in spot light as Kareem and Wilt. Malone a beast too. He was one of the greatest offensive rebounders I ever saw. And he was relentless. He kept coming. I miss the 70’s and 80’s players. Respect todays , but miss the old matchups
@@darlaevitts3459 ❤️ / love oldies nba basketball 1980s/ 1980s day on CBS TV
Grande Batalha: Artis vs Moses. Espetacular.
Ah yes the NBA at its best , that NBA would terrorize today's NBA with big men like that plus they score over 100 points easy make free throws and play defense
I think GIlmore is underrated. I would not rank him at the top level--Chamberlain, Russell, Hakeem, Jabbar--but I would put him in the second tier with Robinson, Malone, Ewing, O'Neal. (Walton is a special case because of his injuries.) Its really something that he is 34 at this time and Malone is 28.
Artis gilmore played like a modern day wilt except he was a lefty and had a hook shot, wilt was better offensive and defensive
Walton yes sir
@Ray Field kareem Abdul-Jabbar is the first to admire wilt & bill Russell shot blocking abilities in his 1980s book, it was very very very etc etc special, ,,, about records goaltending re were different, what exactly is goaltending in nba basketball 🏀 ,,,,
@Ray Field kareem is the first to say he was not as great a shot block bill Russell & wilt, read his 1980s books,,, goaltending rules were different etc etc, the problems with records it was a different game, like courting babe ruth all of his homeruns ground rule double i think they were homerun back in babe ruth day
@Ray Field i seen aris gilmore play in person his first nba season, he played like a lefty wilt, he developed his offensive game alot with a very nice lefty skyhook shot, it takes more than a year to developed your offensive game like artis gilmore couple of nba years he was not a rookie but an nba rookie ,
Magic Johnson said it all when asked why the Lakers got swept 4-0 in the 1983 Finals: They had Moses. It was over by May 31st. You will never see that again.
Artis Gilmore would have been a better matchup against Moses in 83 imo. Kareem just couldn't keep him off the boards.
@@xbefri23
AGREE💯
2 bangers . Gilmore had to work a little harder to get the ball., but if he got the ball down low , game over. Malone was relentless worker. He just kept coming. Sad he is gone. Fo Fo Fo
Lol. Loved A train and Malone
As strong as Gilmore was Wilt was stronger
Artis had a nice 10 feet low post game,especially his lefty hook shot
Did Iavoroni only play 2 dang years?
Iavaroni played a few more years with Utah.
@@lloydkline6946
Yes
artis was stronnnggg
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In those days Artis Gilmore was the strongest Center around and to think Wilt was a stronger, more agile, higher jumping Center than Artis is frightening
Wilt was even better athlete than Gilmore, but I'm not sure if he was stronger.
@@70sfan Wilt was known to be the strongest Center ever. From eye witnesses of Arnold Swarzenegger at comparisons of people who played against him, look it up. But the thing that amazes me is how many time he's overlooked as far as strength
@@grosskopf2779 I know that, but it's not a knock on Wilt from my side. I just want to give huge respect for Gilmore's strength. In basektball terms, he was as strong as any player ever - even Shaq or Wilt. Wilt could bench more definitely, but on basketball court they are on the same level to me.
@@70sfan Same level? Eh never seen strength example of Artis like the others.
@@grosskopf2779 He lifted Kareem with one hand. He blocked a lot of dunks without any effort. He dunked through guys like Kareem or Parish without any effort. He finished through contanct without much effort. There are plenty of examples of his exceptional strength on my channel.
I remember watching a replay of Johnny Moore doing a one-handed 360 in the early 1980s during a game. I wonder if someone has video of that.
Interesting matchup
Two greats....two ABA ers who are in the hall of fame...yes I am a huge ABA fan....smile..peace..wear your mask.....VOTE
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Only Artis could make Moses's sneakers slide. To counter that Moses was quicker than Artis could react. Artis blocked the lights on MO here and there in the paint, often keeping Malone off of those boards. Great era, great players, great times.
I remember the NCAA final with #1 seed Jacksonville and #2 seed UCLA. Gilmore led the Nation in rebounding while averaging 27 points per game. They were slight favorites over the defending Champions the Bruins. Jacksonville was dominating early when John Wooden switched defensive assignments and put the 6 foot 8 inch Sidney Wicks on the 7 foot 2 inch Gilmore. Wicks- the 1970 Tournament MVP- blocked several of Artis's shots and took Gilmore totally off of his game. Bruins won 80-69 for their 4th consecutive Title.
Gilmore learnt a lot from this game. Prime Artis would never be stopped by someone like Wicks.
I remember watching that game very well. The Wizard of Westwood just doing his magic.
Gilmore lookin like the King of the and 1s out there.
Wow, Artis so strong but can you imagine how good he would have been if he were explosive?
Yes, the truth is- as much as I loved Gilmore- he was a step slow and had the slowest gather and shoot of any major player. Its like everything stops in slow motion when he got the ball- the only reason he could get that slow-motion shot off was his size.
It looks as if Gilmore had a pretty good skyhook himself.
Announcer sounds like Eddie Doucette former voice of the Milwaukee Bucks.
Malone jacked up Kareem
Wilt said Gilmore was strong
total offense rebound leader vs runner up
Moses Malone was a better all around player than Gilmore . Gilmore was a bit clumsy. People talk about Moses strength, but more important it was his quickness, intelligence , passing, good outside shooter, and quick tenacious tipping and rebounding . imho Chamberlain was the greatest center prior to his knee injury with LA, and Malone was second best of all time . I'd rate Kareem third . in the late 60's, if memory serves me perhaps up until the 70-71 Philadelphia dominated the NBA with Chamberlain and many nba championships with Chamberlain . but then Boston came along with their team oriented basketball . center Bill Russell said we knew Chamberlain would score a lot of points but we starting to beat them with good team play by the Celtics. the one weakness of Wilt the Stilt was his lazy defense . i must not leave out Dave Cowens of Celtics . He was only about 6'9" but one of the smartest and mobile centers i ever saw . he helped boston win a championship or two in the mid to late 70's . I saw him block Kareem once . Although it was muscular Nate Thurmond of the Warriors who probably blocked more Jabbar shots than anyone. Jabbar said Thurmond was hardest player he ever played against in his whole career . Like Bill Russel, Cowens was a player coach and both won nba champiohships as player coaches . Also an honorable mention to Robert Parrish . Even with Larry Bird, when Parrish was in foul trouble or injured Boston had a hard time winning .
Ask jabbar about Dennis awtrey !! Lol.
Ymous Anon and VictorLions TV You're both idiots and know very little about basketball and its history. Do some research before you start typing.
Wilt retired from the nba in 1972, bill russel retired in 1969. Bill russel was always the one winning championships.
Gilmore not clumsy, just very deliberate in his movements. Plus his being left handed contributed to that misnomer. You can't be clumsy when you average 23.2 rebounds and 10.3 blocks your senior year.
@@VictorLionsTV he was lazy. Wouldn't go out on Cowens or Lucas. He also held back because he didn't want to foul out.
A Train was too strong for Moses it seems
He was too strong for all opponents!
If somebody knows how to snip this video - I will pay you!! I have been staring at 20 seconds of tape like a mental patient for 3 days and laughing so hard every time to the point of passing out!!! Go directly yo the 5:40 mark. Watch from 5:40 to 6:00. First...Gene Banks goes into Bobby Jones....Jones FLYING and grunts loudly. Then, a millisecond later, Artis pushes Moses in his back to get the rebound and Moses goes flying with an even louder grunt!! Then Moses pushes Artis when he's trying to shoot and Artis goes flying!!! Then the announcer says "THERE'S BODIES FLYING ALL OVER THE JOINT!!! Holy hell......I have been laughing like a mental patient for 3 days straight!!!
what a bunch of bums. no defense noone can shoot just big guys walking around. but i love it. no moving screens no euro3steps nobody knows what is efficient and what is not. these bums are more athletes than shoesellels and rolemodels.
A moving screen is a foul and euro step is traveling a violation. The rest of your comment is incoherent.
Sad you don't get to see the great big men doing battle anymore like olajuwan,ewing and Malone now if you can't hit a 3 your useless.I seldom watch any games nowadays it just isn't any fun to me anymore.
Gilmore was an average player, he lacked skill and mobility.
Sandy Combs..have to disagree..Artis Gilmore as you know is a hall of famer...you don't score over 25000 pts grab over 15000 rebounds field goal percentage over 60 percent..all star in the old ABA and NBA...great player..and a gentleman......peace..wear your mask
@@kenneth7826 I probably only remember Artis is his later years when he had slowed down a bit.
@@sandyacombs good morning Sandy..I saw ARTIS from the beginning in the old ABA....that league was about speed..it was nothing unusual to see the big guy out on the fast break..I also saw doctor j do a round house dunk on the big guy..Sandy the strange thing was that ARTIS actually played great defense on the play...believe me it was a great league...a number of ABA greats were asked what times today play like an ABA team
@@sandyacombs my hands are too fast for this tablet..smile..what teams play like an ABA team...golden State warriors.......they are the closest......their 2 guards when healthy are perfect examples of superb ABA players...peace......wear your mask
Artis gilmore has offensive lows post 📫skill just no polish skyhook like kareem Abdul-Jabbar, artis gilmore played like 1960s centers bob lanear, same age had more modern offensive moves than artis gilmore, he developed a skyhook or hook shot etc etc, now they got big man camps like Hakeem olajuewon, videos of low post moves etc etc