Stephen Jackson: LeBron hasn't surpassed Kobe Bryant on the all-time list | NBA | SPEAK FOR YOURSELF
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- The NBA's GOAT conversation has recently focused solely on Michael Jordan vs LeBron James. Stephen Jackson joins Jason Whitlock and Marcellus Wiley to explain why LeBron hasn't yet passed Kobe Bryant, let alone MJ, on his all-time list because of his mentality.
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Kobe Bryant or LeBron James - Who would you take?
Kobe
Kobe.
Kobe
The answer is so obvious for majority of the universe, it is Kobe Bryant.
Kobe
The guys who played against both always say Kobe.
Ain't that the truth.
I hear that a lot too. And players said that guarding LeBron is easier because he doesn't guard you back lol
cuz kobe mostly tried to score more than pass therefore u have to guard him more bron passes just as much as scores therefore u dont have to really guard him the entire game
Tom storm what guys. Name them. Outside this segment, which was mixed opinion
@@julystylez5087 lebum cheats on defense, he's positioning for the rebound. Putting those hands up in the perimeter won't reflect on the stat sheets
Kobe played in the West for 20 years. The west! How many times do PLAYERS have to tell you who is greater??!! Who they fear on the court?
if I recall correctly Kobe beat the most 50-win teams in history en route to his championships as well.. the level of competition faced is not even a discussion
Tyler B. Yeah he did I believe he beat 23 or 24 50 win teams
Yeah they feared Shaq
Hero shaq ain’t even have a ring till Kobe cameos what’s your point
@@bfez416 Shaq had All-Star Penny and Grant in Orlando, HE had allstar in Jones and VAn Axel before Kobe was a starter. and that still equated to finals loss and multiple playoff exits.
Shaq w/o Kobe = 1
Kobe w/o Shaq = 2
You can take that to the bank
I'll take Kobe any day. Never underestimate the heart of a champion.
Jacktone Agunda right cuz lebron has 3 chips and was mvp in all 3 lol
@@josefalasri9203 3 rings in 17 years 🤔
Josef Alasri he ain’t got the heart though. Lebron creates super teams to win rings. Wade already had one when Lebron went to Miami. Took the easy way out and still got embarrassed by a old Dallas team.
@@belak1551 shut up .... He lost to a super team in Boston , nobody cares about that , San Antonio had 3 hall of famers and Greg, nobody counts that , golden State had 4 hall of famers , the greatest shooter ever , the greatest scorer , yes kd is a better scorer than Jordan , nobody counts that , only 1 finals was his fault ... Will gladly accept that , other than that , nothing but greatness , the goat period ... Jordan had pippen and rodman, how is that any different than Wade and Bosh , Kobe had shaq, Pau and Derek , Don't create false narratives that he started the super team, your so called goat was 1-9 without pippen , couldn't even reach the conference finals without pippen and Phil Jackson ....FOH
@@AmanSingh-bt1rx Lol on both of those teams Kobe won with he only had 1. While lebron has had sometimes more than 2 hof players so Kobe>Lebron and it's not close. Lebron and KD is a better argument
Literally every player picks Kobe over LeBron, why is this a discussion? Kobe>Lebron
Then I hope you don't have MJ as your GOAT since many players from before Jordans time don't have him as the GOAT.
@kingongdude10 lol but players pick Kobe so Im going with Kobe
@kingongdude10 lol even the man is dead and you still hate? 😂 Id rather be 5-2 then 3-6 giving up on my teammates and team jumping
MERCENARY Ak47 first of all that’s cuz Kobe is a ball hog so it’s harder to guard. But most of the players picking Kobe over lebron was from 5 years or more ago
@@erickimmmy8358 I'd bet you they still pick Kobe over Lebron.
Kobe tore his Achilles dragging us to the playoff mamba all day
thats just stupid tho
Herioic iconic Kobe is especially in La no comparison tho at all those two shaqless rings he got I only count and gasol was nice bynum was productive they bench was successful and Phil Jackson is legendary other then Miami years LeBron is self made from day one!!!! Kobe re invented hiself after Shaq left cus he sure wasn't a mamba when Shaq gave u 40 all playoffs and finals MVP 3 X's
@@shawncarter4087 40? During their 3 year win. Shaq averaged 4 more points than Kobe did....
There is 81 likes and I honestly don't want to like it though I love the comment
@nabil chowdhury LeCry baby.. Mommy Kobe said he can beat me 1on1😭😭
Lebron has NEVER been better than Kobe, wake tf up 💯
IDGAF about your opinion
MJ GetRight how??? You have to back that up with some FACTS.
@@judahmourneth3211 How many times in the finals did Lebron come up in the clutch? How many times was he bailed out? Allen in 2013. Kyrie in 2016. That's 2 of his 3 finals. Without his teams literally clutching in his place, he would be 1-8 in the finals.
@@matthewhoward6106 1000% FACTS
Well then idgaf about ur opinion lmao...u giving ur opinion and then saying everyone else doesn't matter
it's never been about opinion. You can say you prefer kobe over lebron for whatever reason but it's a fact the Lebron is obvious better. Don't listen to me do some research and compare the statistics. Numbers don't lie
The disrespect to Kobes legacy needs to end
You hear me
Kobe averaged 28, 5 and 5 in season 16. Marcellus get your facts together.
those are just stats. stats don't matter.
@@imsljr420 For Kobe stats don't matter, but for L3-6ron it matters right?
@@lickheaddarry9123 I don't know... you tell me. that's what I hear from Kobe and Jordan stans that stats don't matter but when they get a triple double then they want to make a big deal about stats.
@Yong Lamsy no don't continue because you already got it wrong. it's 2 rings and 3 rings getting carried by Shaq.
@@imsljr420 check the stats he didn't get carried ya idiot
LeBron being exposed.
NBA Players knows who's better: Kobe.
David what makes Kobe better. Lebron actually crushes him in every advanced stat. And he had a winning record against Kobe.
Look, I dont disagree with Kobe fans when they say hes better than Lebron, but when yall say hes top5, that's when I have to step in.
Kobe’s teams have been better***
As a player kobe isn’t close to lebron
@@judahmourneth3211 ok an Kareem Abdul jabbar has better stats than lebron does it make him better
J Money team better?????? Lebron can’t with without 4 all stars
The football player is choosing LeBron.. The basketball player is choosing Kobe. 😐😐😐
Yeap
Lol that’s completely irrelevant
Xivjm ..no it ain’t. They speaking from being in the nba or the outside looking in.
Celebrity Jarron. But did they go against kobe & bron ?
*CAUTION* gtfoh.. I’m not even gonna respond to this question. You obviously don’t know anything.
Kobe will always be the greatest in my eyes
This is not even a discussion! Of course its the Mamba! Kobeeeeeeee!
@nabil chowdhury LeDon't want to be coached..🤔🤔
@nabil chowdhury The people saying yhis are guys who grew up following kobe and played against him when he was the man. Since they followed him they already built up a level of respect wheather warneted or not. Lebron is in closer to thier era which they naturally look at on the same level.
Lebron has never been better than Kobe. Any true basketball fan knows this.
Norrin Radd 💯💯💯
The truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth
Facts
looooooooooooooooooooooooool NO
@Dirk Diggler Both pioneers.. but Kirby.
It’s just hella funny how 90% of players say Kobe was always better than bron and 90% of commentators say bron is better. That’s says something
Bc its tru
Kobe was better
My point they never pick up a basketball
D2 Films yeah I guess they would say that when most of them are getting beat by Lebron every year Lol
Lebron is better
It's Jordan and Kobe.... and then everyone else.
LeBron is just better..period
kobe got more rings,fans,respect,basketball skills
(case close) ☺
@Maphack bron got loding finals record and more help than kobe.
@Maphack lebron no titles without kyrie k love Wade bosh allen
Kobe had more HOF teammates but hey lets not even talk about that
@@kyledavis1070 like who?
ChinCheckGod you sound dumb asf 😂 lebron has no rings without going to miami and he has no rings without kyrie Love and smith and shump dey all put in work to get det ring .
I like how everyone all of a sudden forgets kobe made the All defense 12 times, 2nd among all players . 9 of them being 1st all defense , tied with jordan, payton, nd garnett.
MAMBA💛💜💛💜💛
Hes on the guard position. Dude get real
His own coach called him overrated on defense.. Didnt deserve half those selections
Scottie Pippen funny ... never heard tht .
Gil Franz Miñoza you get real. Wtf is tht supposed to mean?
STEPHEN JACKSON TELLING THE WHOLE TRUTH
The Whole Effing Truth.
And nothing but the truth
@Johnny Coop you forgot rings and defense lmao
Cannot agree more!
Sophia Moser and Defense is half of the game
lebron in kobe's body wouldn't destroy teams the same way kobe did
Fax i believe if LeBron is shorter then 6'8 he'll be an average player
That is so stupid what you 2 just said
@@dfkgym4400 it’s the truth u bronsexual of lefraud was wades or currys height he would be a ups driver he can’t shoot for his life all hype
If lebron wasn’t 6’9 250 he wouldn’t rly be much of a threat. Kobe’s skill is far greater than lebrons
@@awesomesause1116 facts bro I watched some of his demonstrations on TH-cam it’s brilliant like those moves if u perfect u can be unstoppable he basically took Jordan’s moves and added to it and tried to perfect and master it
Jordan is the GOAT. Id take Kobe over Lebum anyday also.
Bill Russell is the goat. Learn your history and you won't sound like a sleep sheep.
@@younglove3362 Tell me, how many game decisions BR has? That's right, he was not the showman.
Anyone dumb enough to say “Lebum” has no validity to their opinion.
kevin couture Awwww, another 10 year old calling Lebron on a bum, ur so cute buddy 🤣
Young Love it’s not Russell it’s Wilt chamberlain, Bill didn’t dominate Wilt, Celtics dominate Wilt
Kobe was actually balling in the latter years before the Achilles tear
An still shot two free throws
Lebron is still having 27 ppg and nothing has changed dude. What was Kobe's PPG at age 34?
@@blakpope3815 27.3 bro i just look it up
yes he was balling, and if he wouldn't have gotten hurt those last couple of times I think he would've at least passed Malone.
@@omarxdaprodigy u right bro
The Lebron vs Kobe debate is waaaay more realistic than Lebron vs Jordan
@Allen Reynolds well Jordan had a better team and was in the east nobody can handle the West only kobe
@Allen Reynolds Jordan ain't better than Kobe!
Not really Lebron is better than both of them and it’s really not even close.
@@jmoney4220
When did 6 final losses become *equivalent* to 6 Championships ?
swissbeats2k MJ better by a long shot over Kobe
The fact that when discussing legacy, one of their legacies stays solely on the court while the other's is largely based in the power and influence they have off the court says everything that needs to be said about who was better at basketball.
LeBron is dropping in his all time greats list. He can break every record, but he lost the GOAT debate long ago. Jordan and Kobe are both ahead of him. Basketball isn't about participation in the finals, it's about winning championships. And many greats still have more rings than LeBron.
Better finals records less team jumping and play with less hall of famers
Militarize agreed. Stats aren’t everything. Look where Karl Malone and dirk are in scoring. Amazing players but they aren’t top 10
@nabil chowdhury Delonte West is still your step dad..🤔🤔
@nabil chowdhury oh you mean like 3 and 6
Its not just about rings either
In the 2012-13 season the lakers were 25-29 before the all-star break and when asked if they would make the playoffs, Kobe said “it’s not a question of If we make the playoffs, we will.” after the all-star break Kobe averaged in his 17th season 28.5 PTS/6.1 REB/ 7.0 AST with a TS of 58% with 4 40+ point games in that stretch willing the lakers to the playoffs and a 45-37 record 🐐
Sterling Archer the same year the Lebron won the chip lmaoooooo. Where was Kobe.
@@Moneymarc-zm5kr he got to the playoffs with no superteam. Add context.
@@closebutnocigar2209 no offense but everyone said that lakers team was a super team with Dwight Howard and Steve Nash with Pau gasol
@@megawarzable Steve Nash was done bro. You seen what Dwight Howard did in LA. I ain't see no superteam.
OnlyHere 4Subscribers what super team they just started using that phrase when KD got to GS. So what super team. Use your own mind.
He was never better than Kobe!
Thats your opinion, every single analyst never mention kobe in the goat convo. its always bron vs mj
Lebrick will never be better than kobe skill wise
@@Hassan-ke6gc and those analysts are morons.
@tony tonyt for you to even say this shows that you don't know basketball. The league is weak now.
@tony tonytlebron was not. 3-6 vs 5-2
Kobe all day, any day, especially if you want to win. It's not even a choice.
Ummm.....if you want to win then go with Lebron. You clearly only care about highlights and showtime instead of results.
@@younglove3362 5 > 3
Young Love exactly lmao
Azidonis so by ur logic you’d rather have Russell or Horry over Jordan . Or havliceck lmao
@@colonelgibbs8357 I think u missed his point kobe mj will get the job done they wont be scared of the bright lights
GTFOH! No comparison to kobe!
"Kobe wasn't doing that Year 16!!"
Uhh, but he was. And he took them to the playoffs. Tore his Achilles in the process, but he did it.
sherbertdjones rs they forget quick
Yeah but Lebron played way more minutes. Getting to the finals 8 years in a row means playing all throughout the playoffs, every single round. Kobe started out off the bench, and then missed the playoffs after Shaq left and then couldn’t get out of the first round until they got Pau. Even during Lebron’s first stint with the Cavs, he made the playoffs every year after his first, and had always gone beyond the first round, meaning consistently more minutes. At this point, Lebron already played more minutes than Vince Carter (who is the oldest player in the league). Lebron’s year 16 has a lot more mileage than Kobe’s year 16.
making the playoffs is different in the west. its a whole lot harder, and if lebron's 2000's cav's were in the west they probly wouldn't make it
made both free throws with a torn achilles. didnt flop. didnt cry. you won't see that again for a long time.
Actually that was year 17
1:10 Kobe averaged 27/7/6 in year 17... how do these guys even have these jobs with that kind of ignorance?
Exactly
Lol check your stats again bro.... And please metion hes FG % hahhaaha
@@briantorres2157 FG% HA! nerd.
Brian Torres yup and mention ft% and turnovers while you’re at it
@@briantorres2157 and Kobe 4 career knee surgery's by season 17 vs lebron 0 knee surgery's...
And Kobe still play defense my friend lmao
Lebron is a self proclaimed GOAT
A diva crybaby
Jordan said he was the goat in like 2012 interview talking about oj mayo. Do ur research kid
Colonel Gibbs yeah but his career is over and everybody has him as the goat or most at least Lebron did it after he won his 3rd ring
Year 16 Kobe 27.9 5.4 4.7 the year he tore his Achilles wow major difference from lebron
Anyone remember when Kobe invented the Mamba mentality? The underbite? Lebron is the opposite of that. Dude said he's going to activate playoff mode and he's got 21 year old Kuzma literally trying to push him into playing defense.
I think we misunderstand what lebron said. I think he's telling the truth about activating his play-"off" mode. He delivered on that one. Congrats lebron. XD
I honestly think that Kuzma pushing Lebron like that literally destroyed Lebron's legacy. This one move has sooooo much meaning in it. Can you even comprehend a thought of Toni Kukoc or BJ Armstrong pushing MJ like that to play defense?....Just imagine that for a second and then......laugh out loud ;)
Alcreon03 LOL!! 😂😂
Just a reminder Kobe made two free throws with a busted Achilles, LeBron can't hit two to save his life with strong healthy leg
In 2006 Kobe blew a 3-1 lead to Suns and stopped shooting in the second half only took 3 shots and ended the game with 1 assist....
Xivjm try shooting free throws flat footed fool
Just imagine the pain he was feeling, he shoot those two and made it shutting the pain
@@xivjm1778 Uh, what. You definitely use your legs on free throws. Its the most important thing.
kc kc what does achilles got to do with standing n shooting...won’t bother even if you bent
The fact is that Kobe's greatness goes so much over just stats (where LeBron focussed his game), that in the end, you cannot not picking him. Cause numbers aren't what remains, for fans, for players
This is what I mean people only pick Kobe if they go with their heart, I don’t like Lebron but to say Kobe’s better with the explanation of basically saying he weren’t as gd but he had better mentality, tried harder and looked better whilst doing it is so dumb
@@daviddowling2822 not all is in the stats. More: most is in mentality, example and leadership. See what the Spurs became after Tim left, and what they were even when he was still super old. To make an example. Then is what one prefers, aesthetics and the ability to make the impossible possible night in and night out, or a absurdly never seen before force of nature, with A+ basketball iq too.
@@Eliras24 also did u see what cleverer became when Lebron left, did u see what Miami became when Lebron left, did u see what Cleveland is like now lebron left again. Wherever Lebron has went when he was there they were in the conversation for titles and when he wasn’t they were trying to scrape playoff positions and rarely made it. Lebron has all the things u said I feel like but idk
@@daviddowling2822 the last two, I was referring to LeBron, in fact, the first, to Kobe
Kobe took Smush Parker them to the playoffs in the west
Exactly recent bias is a mf people forget Kobe took the sorriest team to the playoffs
Bruh he at 35 k already it’s over
@@flashgordon1541 on what near 5000 turnovers too????????
Let them know!
@@christianhenry4173 oh, you mean how like Lebron leads all time in playoff turnovers? Yeah
2 Dudes that played against both: Kobe’s better
2 fat dudes on tv: Lebron surpassed Kobe years ago
Exactly my thoughts, funny how people who dont play the game thinks they know better than those who grind their skills to play the game better
Dis deserves more likes!
@@mandeelyn6895 them guy in the NBA never guarded Lebron James and dude say he would rather stick Lebron not in his Miami days omm he Lebron would do him nasty and if he will dunk on Tim Duncan,Dirk,kevin Garnet and more wat makes him think he can guard him and he ain't near big as them people keep say mamba mentality know the king mentality don't come out till the playoffs and oh ya comes bck from a 3-1 series after he said exactly what he was gone do the year b4 man y'all better put some respect on the king
Erwin Norwood shouldn’t have been down 3-1 in the first place to call coming back from that an achievement is ridiculous
Really, you are sure all of the players who played games between both of them think so????? All of the NBA players think so???? It won’t be surprising that Shaq take Kobe over Lebron. It is also not surprising that Gilbert Arenas pick prime Kobe over Lebron. Why they pick Kobe over Lebron??? Because Kobe seems to win more you know 5>3 and Kobe seemed to be more an unstoppable force because he is a better scorer got more gamewinners than Lebron.
I never thought he was better then kobe
Sean Kelly sure you didn’t lmao
Me too
Same
Yes
Johnny Coop Kobe still better man. Eye test over Analytics
Lebron getting his numbers on offense and playing no defense
Curry plays no defense lol so what...
Boy stop it 😂 LeBron played defense but got older and had to carry a bigger load
Marquise Tinch and Curry isnt the one being compared to Jordan or even being considered in the GOAT debate. What’s your point?
Bro nobody really plays defense in this weak league. But let's stick to the facts. As you Labum fans say the numbers don't lie. How many NBA first all defensive teams has Labum been attached to, how many was Kobe attached to and finally how many was Mike attached to. Please be quiet about this dude. He will never be as good as Larry, Magic, Mike or Kobe. The game is all narrative now, not competition. This generation needs a hero. It's too bad it's a puffed up one. GOAT NEVER
Thats what im talking about. He dont defend to reserver his energy and get the position for rebound and just score to stat pad. Remember one of his teammates push him to play defense? Guess what that guys is so young.
A prime kobe would run circles around a prime lebron.
ah no. 2013 leborn wouldn't let that happen.
That a lie lol
Bron beat him 15x to his 6 where was prime Kobe then.. why does he have a losing record against Lebron..
Infertiles bruh a declining Kobe in 2013 clamped LeBron in the All Star game. Imagine what he would do in his prime
Bleacher report top 50 best players all time
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Tim Duncan
14. Kobe Bryant
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Kobe vs LeBron
PPG: LeBron
RPG: LeBron
APG: LeBron
SPG: LeBron
BPG: LeBron
FG%: LeBron
3pt%: LeBron
FT%: Kobe
TS%: LeBron
PER: LeBron
MVP's: LeBron
FMVP's: LeBron
Rings: Kobe (Best player on 2)
LeBron a better player then Kobe
Field Goal%
LeBron 50.3%✔️
Kobe 44.7%
Most missed shots in NBA history
1. Kobe Bryant 14,481
2. John Havlicek 13,417
3. Elvin Hayes 13,296
Total Points Scored Career
LeBron 34,241✔️
Kobe 33,643
LeBron more points then Kobe
Kobe more missed shots then LeBron
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Total 3pointers made
LeBron 1875✔️
Kobe 1827
Defensive win shares
LeBron 70.43✔️
Kobe 50.66
Assists Leader
LeBron 1✔️
Kobe 0
Career highs
Kobe Bryant 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record
Career highs
LeBron James 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record
Playoffs game winning buzzer beaters
LeBron 5✔️
Kobe 1
2010 NBA finals
Game 7
Lakers 83 Celtics 79
Kobe Bryant 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points
2013 NBA finals
Game 7
Heat 95 Spurs 88
LeBron James 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points
Pippen 6 rings > Kobe 5 rings so having more team awards rings doesnt mean better player
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick
Mavericks 4-0 swept Kobe Bryant in 2011 NBA playoffs to stop him from winning 6 rings
LeBron 16-6 owns Kobe in 22 career meetings 😂
LeBron 6'9 and 260 lbs with guard speed and power forward size in a 1on1 would beat Kobe 6'6 and 205 lbs
When kobe was 34 he carried an injured lakers team to the playoffs.
CashMoney Shun he hasn’t played as many games as Lebron. Lebron is a old 34
No he didnt. Stop making Kobe fans look stupid.
And he ruined his career by doing so...tore his achillies and wasnt the same after
Dwight Howard's defense led the Lakers to the playoffs that year
@ its tru though
All the Media says Lebron. Most of the players says Kobe. Who knows best?
every single person in any media has a boss who determines what they can say in public or not, from print reporters to sports shows like this one
and the NBA holds all of them hostage. no media outlet can legally use any NBA footage without the consent and permission of the NBA. how you gonna talk about last nights game if you cant even show footage?? your tv show will be ignored and not attract fans who like to see highlights
if the NBA bigwigs want to promote LeBron as GOAT they can blackmail every single media outlet into ONLY promoting LeBron as GOAT or they wont allow them to use NBA footage
why do you think all sports shows only talk about LeBron? guys got no charisma at all and is really stupid with the things that come out of his mouth sometimes. news outlets and sports shows do it because they want to use the footage
i know, my brother in law is one of the guys who make sports highlights for tv shows. he is the one making the footage and told me all about the legal stuff show producers go through. you wouldnt believe it, its worse than government red tape
i think even youtubers have to get permission
Players knows best
Nba player Jim Jackson just said LeBron better overall player then Kobe 😂
@@GBamaBoy
Nba player Jim Jackson just said LeBron better overall player then Kobe 😂
Media have an agenda, I would love to see what these people would say on their own platform, with no financial factor in play. Different story from there.
Kobe would never go out like he did if he was healthy smh 💯
Lebron has only 3 rings out of 9 attempts.. how the heck is he better than Kobe who has 5?.. individual stats mean nothing because if it did then Westbrook having 3 years in a row with Triple Doubles is way better than Lebron.
Scottie pippen has 6 Rings so he's better than Kobe and equal to mj
@ No it's not ..if rings are the talking point Jordan's not the only one with 6 Rings..Kareem has six
@@teresa-oj9rq yea but still gotta have common not just blurt out names just to prove a point cuz he clearly talking about the body of work plus the rings makes them better then lebron not just rings come on now I'm pretty u knew exactly what everybody means when they bring up rings
@ No sir he started his shade comment with a team stat making it obvious it's a diss of LeBron James..put up real stats and people will see James is not to far from Michael..in fact put up Kareem and some of the other all star greats..Nba had a favorite in the 80/90's Everybody didn't want to be like mike
Plus lebron has these stats with the 3pt shot being relevant then It was so basically lebron has an advantage of era and has a more durable body apparently and hes such a basketball genius then does he only have 3 rings and jordan 6 especially the fact tht hand picks teammates somthing Jordan never got to do
Kobe has always been ahead of Lebron.
What can Kobe do better than lebron littwrally
@@bfez416 everything
@@bfez416 defend, Shoot, footwork, handling the ball, willing a team to championships, demolish a team.
Lebron is waaaaaaaay better than Kobe and I hate Lebron
@Johnny Coop All the "stats", all the HOF teammates, ring chasing, team changing, and still less wins. Y'all will never learn. Lol
If kobe had gone to chicago, he’d be in the finals every year after that. He made his legacy in the west....that’s a competitor’s nasty mentality. Mamba.
as a Bulls fan (at that time) he would've ruined everything. although we needed a SG we played great defense and moved the ball around and took good quality shoots. with Kobe the ball wouldn't move because he was a ball hog.
@Kane B it's true what you said but Kobe wanted to go to the Bulls in his prime not the beginning of his career. I still didn't want him on the team.
Don't use narratives to compare two players.
imsljr420
So...you hate championships, huh? Lol wack fans like you don’t deserve him. So glad he stayed a laker.
these idiots are just hating kobe for real
"I hear people talk about Mamba Mentality, whats the Lebron Mentality?" I swear busted out laughing bruh 😂😂😂
8 straight finals
He’s right. Kobe is still better than Lebron. Always will be in my opinion.
@nabil chowdhury LeNobody likes ur comments.. LeFlop master..
nabil chowdhury skills wise?? oh my
Your wrong
@@sdfishinn rebounding floor general, leader, efficiency, play maker.
@@sdfishinn stop acting like MJ and kobe are one in the same. they are not. They all have KI its just displayed differently. Kobe has never been a leader of men and no one would mistake him for a better leader then Lebron.
I dont care what the fans think it's what the players think and all the best players say kobe. He would guard your best player for 48 mins and still drop 40 points on your head. Incredible player and kobe NEVER QUITS
Wrong.its the fans who watch these players and make real judgements.
@@jessiegomez2411 this is my opinion so I cant be wrong.
@@jessiegomez2411 that's dumb man. I'll take someone who actually a) played against world class athletes, or b) were experts in the field they analyze over some casual fan.
@@jessiegomez2411 Your An idiot
Greg Provaccio No they don’t, so many say LeBron
Kobe got 6 more defensive all NBA honors
Branden Brooks how many mvps lol
Lebron is 4 time league mvp, 3 time finals mvp, 12 time all nba FIRST team.
@@nco2991 fair enough but you gotta keep it real Kobe's MVPs are probably diluted because of his partnerships with Shaq.
@@brandenbrooks5525 with that being said, can quit on bragging about how kobe "won" 5 rings?
That's why I hate that some ppl don't add context. They never bring up the questionable 2 MVP's that Steve Nash won over Kobe... Everybody knew Kobe got robbed, stats weren't even close.
Thank you..give Kobe his respect man....last second shot will always go to kobe
Ask Jordan. The GOAT.
Kobe is way better than LeBron -Michael Jordan
If their is a player that could possibly beat me, probably kobe Bryant - Michael Jordan
@Daniel Britton pippen not no mvp caliber stop itb
Bill Russell goat based on Jordan logic 11 beats 6
@Daniel Britton just like LBJ had Dwade. And now AD. Also just got Westbrook joining. Cause LBJ cantor won in west by himself. Kobe did 20 years in the west. If Kobe was playing in the East their will be no first round knockout
Kobe was easily robbed a couple Mvps based on the media's hate towards him. Kobe one of the best closers in sport history.. like I always say Basketball players always give Kobe his respect and his seat as a great one only ppl saying other wise is media n ppl who didn't play basketball against em.
I wish we could trade Lebron and see what other teams would offer. I wouldn't mind having Devin Booker he is young and nasty on the court.
@Frank Mclain Kobe himself said it may have been fixed because of the one official, but he also said the Kings missed a bunch of free throws. Looking back at the stats, the Kings missed 14 of their 30 free throws and lost by 6 points. The Lakers missed 5 of their 33 free throws. Fix or not, the Kings didn't capitalize.
Regardless, why are you replying to a comment about Kobe being hated by the media with this junk? Why is MJ even relevant?
Frank Mclain You keep repeating that Lmfao
Jc Ramirez Steve Nash, a great player and great person, took two mvps away from Kobe.
@Frank Mclain and LeBron's 2016 ring wasn't fixed enough. Plus you need to check the records for Jordans games wasn't fixed it's been known that Charles Barkley's Phoenix sun's could have won a ring in the late 90's against Jordan. As gifted as Jordan was he still was chaotic to winning but he had to have that competitive nature going against a world of mindless rip your throat out powerhouse centers or small forwards as well as point guards. I give Jordan his respect but please he's not a god there were times were he's cheated in a simple gambling gossip.
Kobe took Kwame Brown and Smush Parker to the Playoffs.. And they were in the starting lineup 🤣🤣
IonlyROBwhite DrugDealers bron took gibson mo will and anderson v to the finals 😂
Lebron took a scrub team to the finals at 23 and another scrub team to the finals in 2018 and lost to an all star team. Kobe is a brick king over hyped by LA people
Russian Bot LeBron played nobody except an aging pistons team that year. And that cavs team was still better than Kobe’s.
IonlyROBwhite DrugDealers bron took jr to the finals
A Cato C If Lebron never went to Miami he would only have one championship
The Lebron Mentality is to ship 2/3rds of your team away, or just jump ship entirely.
finally somebody said the words right
Black Forex still makes it to the finals right ? Doesn’t get swept in the first round or doesn’t make it like kobrick
ClutchSlime🐍 I guess Lebron can’t make it to the playoffs when he came to the west? 😂
Ayporos bet he doesn’t miss it again🤣
@@ellandlord2456 yeah. Coz he recruited another superstar and created abother superteam. Yeah that's lebron mentality for sure
LeBron is bigger, stronger, and faster.
Kobe is much more skilled and polished.
I'd rather be more skilled and polished
Kobe is most skilled player ever than comes Jordan I'm not talking about greatness just skills
@@rishhabh7356 Kyrie Irving has more skill. I’m not going to argue with you either.
Fax
Kobe is not more skilled than LeBron idiot. LeBron is a superior offensive player and floor general
Boi stop Marcellus. KOBE all day period. We haven't forgot about when Kobe didn't shoot to make his point. He made that point loud and clear, from then on people stopped with that whole he doesn't share mess.
Kobe most underrated attribute is his I.Q.
Cause he was a ball hog his whole career. He also peddie when his teammate complain about him being a ball hog he went s stretch where he just passed the ball even when he was wide open. He plays selfish sometimes and that's why people dont take his IQ seriously. He does have great basketball IQ when hear him talk basketball though.
Facts.
@@shinoobigod3363 Facts!! I can listen to Kobe preach basketball all year round. I wish he'll try out for coaching but I know he making way more money off the court.
His most overrated attribute is his defense
And passing!
Last i checked LeFRAUD cant even make the Playoffs out in the Wild Wild West! Kobe > LeHelpMe
lmao LeHelpMe
@nabil chowdhury he was medically cleared to play 66 games fool, LA was below .500 in those 54 games fool.
@nabil chowdhury thats the stupidest comment I've read... Lebron has more accomplishments? more skill? stop embarrassing yourself
LMAO LeHelpMe
@nabil chowdhury lebron is not more skilled, but everything else, yeah. Skills is what kobe has over lebron
Wasn’t doing that year 16
Kobe Year 16: 30 7 and 6 on 47 39 92 shooting led LA to a 56-26 record
LeBron Year 16: 27 6 and 7 on 46 33 61 shooting led LA to a 34-48 record
💀💀💀
Literally every number you wrote is wrong
🤣🤣🤣
Kobe will give it his all win or lose. He will never blame on his teammates for a loss but always takes it upon himself. The end of Kobe's career is a perfect example when he had the achilles injury and still shot 2 free throws when he couldn't even walk. Do you think LeBron would shoot the free throw or leave the game? No he will leave the game immediately. LeBron even leaves the game before its over, leaves his own team, leaves his city behind.
Kobe > LeBron
"Kobe will never blame teammates" LMAO
LMAOOOOO
kobe W or L take credits or consequences. on the other hand lebron just FILL the stat. take the ball. shoots.pass.rebound with no defense. but blame the team who plays defense
So what about the time kobe told the lakers to get me help or trade me in the years following when they got rid of the goat shaq?
This must be either sarcasm or complete stupidity by a fantard. HAHAHAHA
"Stats are for losers." - Bill Belichick
This Giants fan agrees.
@@Forgemno Must be a tough time for you guys respect for your loyalty
Championships are stats too whats your point
Yup
@@bernzion3000 stats on another level... keep it 💯 when you speak
Co,om leave Kobe alone.please He destroys every player who defend him.Period.
You didn't watch the 04 finals I'm guessing
"These 5 cookies represent 5 championships. "
Finally. A realistic debate.
No way, the real argument is who is better Durant or lebron or at least bird or lebron or lebron or dr. J but honestly Durant and lebron is better.
ohhh yeahhh Durant shouldn’t even be put in the same sentence with Lebron after joining a 73 win team that beat him in the western conference finals. His legacy is tarnished forever
Derrin Wilson Could argue leaving your home team to make a super team in Miami only to lose to an aging Mavericks team is tarnishing one’s legacy as well 👀
CreoleRep7 I admit he has no excuse for that loss but that is what ultimately led him to become the great player he is today. If you look at the numbers after that finals he never underperformed in a finals game ever again
@@derrinwilson6156 what of last year finals when he threw a tantrum like a baby ...lol lebron is a quitter ...
This is the first time I ever agreed with Jason Whitlock.
Lebron James has made the game weaker, softer and less competitive, that is his real legacy and it's a horrible legacy.
trey trey agree 100%
trey trey that’s the most dumbest thing I’ve ever heard it’s not like lebron told everyone to be soft it’s just that the nba is changing
Lebron's legacy is travelling ain't nothing but a thang in the NBA.
He's still rich. Quite sure he doesn't care what anyone thinks anymore
LBJ turned the nba to the kardashians. Even stats are fake now. Triple doubles, scoring titles are meaningless now and definitely dont come from champions anymore
Kobe had to go through San Antonio just to be in the Finals. Think about it..
What your point? LeBron had to play the golden state warriors with 2 mvps, klay
@@smoothgent1011 point is he wouldn't even touch the finals that many times if he played in the West with that same Cavs team
And Bron beat the greatest regular season team of all time think about that
@@smoothgent1011 and he got waxed by those guys.. lmao. Without a top 75 player, kobe went against 3 top 75 players all time and another HOF, and won.
Neither Kobe nor Jordan jumped around to asemble the Avengers! Point made😒!
Im just happy Kobe is getting mad love even tho it's coming from Lebron's failure to make the playoff.... Kobe vs LeBron is a valid comparison.... I would still take Kobe... but I would take MJ over Kobe and Lebron
I love it
well said.
Agreed
I’ll keep it short: WESTERN CONFERENCE > eastern conference!
biggybtoussaint lol not this year other then GSW. The east is loaded at the top 4.
Brad B you realize over the last 20 years the western conference the eastern conference in championships 14-6! The Bulls 98’ win to the 18-19’ season there have only been 6 Eastern championships!! Lebron is playing in a more dominant conference!!
Lmao 💯💯💯💯!
20 years one team pure dedication 100% playing mentality both ends of the court
Now you are quiet
Kobe Bryant was very sure about who he was, people looked at him like a mean person that's why they always put him down but he didn't allow that. Mamba mentality forever 💪
He hasn't surpassed magic or larry or even shaq
Where going to far now
I'm not sure how Lebron changing training camp and player politics makes him a better basketball player than Kobe.
It doesn’t. It’s the only good thing you can say about Lebron now and you need to say good about Lebron to keep your job at ESPN. Lol.
Kobe way better then lefraud
@Linda Thompson Savannah James is that you ? 😂
You have no evidence🤷🏾♂️ just strictly judging by your own opinion
NBA Finals 2010
Game 7
Lakers 83 Celtics 79
Kobe Bryant 6-24 fg and 0-6 3pt for 23 points
NBA Finals 2013
Game 7
Heat 95 Spurs 88
LeBron James 12-23 fg and 5-10 3pt for 37 points
Game tying or go ahead shots in playoffs last 10 seconds to take lead on 4th quarter
LeBron 12-23 fg for 52%
Kobe 5-22 fg for 23%
Kobe vs LeBron
PPG: LeBron
RPG: LeBron
APG: LeBron
SPG: LeBron
BPG: LeBron
FG%: LeBron
3PT%: LeBron
FT%: Kobe
TS%: LeBron
WS: LeBron
PER: LeBron
MVP's: LeBron
FMVP's: LeBron
Rings: Kobe (Best player on 2)
LeBron better player then Kobe
Seasons avg +25 ppg
LeBron 14 > Kobe 12
Seasons avg +25 ppg on +50% fg
LeBron 8 > Kobe 0
Seasons shooting +40% 3pt
LeBron 1 > Kobe 0
Career +30 point games
LeBron 436 > Kobe 431
Career highs scoring
Kobe Bryant 28-46 fg and 7-13 3pt for 81 points vs Raptors 27-55 record
LeBron James 22-33 fg and 8-10 3pt for 61 points vs Bobcats 43-39 record
Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg most missed shots in nba history
NBA top 10 best players ever
1. Micheal Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Magic Johnson
6. Larry Bird
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Tim Duncan
9. Kobe Bryant
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
Pippen 6 rings > Kobe 5 rings
If having more team award rings means better player Pippen better then Kobe
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps best player on Lakers 3peat and carried Kobe Bryant to 3 sidekick rings
First Ring
Kobe 15.6 ppg and 36.7% fg and 20% 3pt
Carried by
Shaq 38 ppg and 61% fg and 16 rpg
@kent case its the same as saying mayweather is a more exciting boxer to watch than pacquiao, because he's undefeated
@Linda Thompson Delonte West is still your step dad 🤔🤔
People seems to Forget that, Kobe n mj never played a team like the golden state. If it wasn't for GSW, this won't even be a conversation.
Your an idiot 2000's is the greatest era for Western conference almost all are 50 plus wins
Crazy how people overreact this much from 1 season. They really expect a 36 year old to carry a team like that? Won a chip the next year
How many times kobe dislocated his finger in the middle of the game and still finished the game?!!
And, so.....
Young Love if Lebron dislocates his finger mid game you might not even seen him for a couple days due to the bitching and crying... that’s the point he’s making
@@younglove3362 is that your King?
So its Lebrons fault that he never get injured mid game? Lmao this is getting out of hand yo fkn haters
@@allidoiswin1073 he dont? Remember the 2014 finals against the spurs when cramped his leg just because the AC is off? We are just saying that Kobe plays through injuries just to win games man.
STEPHEN JACKSON ALWAYS SPEAKING FACTS HE NEEDS TO BE ON FS1 ALOT MORE
Also Kobe can shoot free throws‼️
And isn’t mentally weak
It's still Kobe's House, Bron was never welcome in LA.
Aged well
MJ had 1 All-Star. Won 6 rings. Kobe had 1 All-Star. Won 5 rings. LeBron had 2 All-Stars. Went 3-3 in the Finals with them. Losses came in 2011, 2014, and 2017. Barely won in 2013 and 2016.
Rodman wasn’t an all star pau & bynum weren’t all stars you see how stupid you sound and Kobe was a non factor for his first ring go figure
Shaq produced more because offense was fed through him. Bosh and Wade had to play off ball with Lebron controlling the flow of offense. Big difference in how offense was played. Plus Kobe and Shaq had to be the offense, whereas Lebron could divert to 2 other stars and very solid name brand role players. There is a difference. That made offense easier for Lebron
If we're honest Kobe would have this team in the playoffs even if it was an 8 seed.
it would be tha first seed especially wit lonzo
one thing kobe nvr had in his career was a great pg
tha closest we got was derek fisher
Kobe never took a team far unless he had an All-star 7 footer. LeBron has NEVER once had that. Ever. The facts don't lie
Bay Boggs yu must’ve forgot we had zubac
if yu jus swap lebron out wit kobe in tha beginnin of tha szn yu dnt get any trade rumors cuz dwn tha line cuz we’d be a number 1 seed throughout tha yr
@@bayboggs4742-and Kobe didn't have to play on all-star teams just to win .. LeBron has played with Shaq, Ilgauskas, McGee and Chandler those are fact!
@@bayboggs4742 at least kobe won't give up so early, check lbj, right, he got nice score n assists, but check his defence attitude... heh
The real basketball player knows tht play basketball good or bad depend on ur basketball IQ, but win basketball depend on defence.
people always disrespecting kobe
4:55 what's the LeBron mentality? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Kobe went 5 for 2 in the finals. Case done
Tekk Luthor Josh Landis nothing worst than arguing with someone who lets the bar at a person. For example is he better than him ... facts show lebron will lead in most categories overall than any other player just not rings ! That’s why you will never hear someone say he’s not the best overall basketball player an that what makes someone the greatest being the best at everything in a field a industry. For your the best a sales or scorings that’s cool but there’s more to a company an there’s more to basketball
Hahaha they also be talking like kobe didn't play in three era's lol he got two rings in lebron's era swept the team lebron couldn't beat 🤦🏾♂️
TEAM
Tekk Luthor I think u would be right if Kobe was the finals mvp in all 5 victories
Johnny Coop THANK YOU I’ve been saying this for the longest.
I been was Saying Kobe was better than LeBron...and now a lot of people starting to see that Cuz KOBE played in this Wild Wild West his Whole Career and Kobe played in the West when it was More Tougher than it is now...and LeBron struggling his first year playin in the West!!
Imagine, if KOBE were in the east
And I bet people been telling you you're an idiot
Kobe competed against the Spurs his whole career. Imagine Lebron having such a rivalry.
@@User-mm6uu he had Shaq. Take Shaq of the Lakers spurs win in 2001, 2004, 2002 Sacramento wins
His not at all, kobe got help by shaq. 3 rings, he only won 2. His overratted now his agressive yes but oveerated
That ending was hilarious 😂
Kobe is better! You can see it on the court and clutch situations.
Shoutout To Stephen Jackson For Tell The Truth Kobe Over Bron
Stephen Jackson just said LeBron better all around player then Kobe ha ha
@@deanrison2496 And still... he is picking Kobe over Lebron to be on his team.
This fool said that lebron didnt proclaim himself as anything as kobe did pertaining to the black mamba mentality. But didn't this fool proclaimed that he is the G.O.A.T? Man, get off lebrons jock. The only player that came closest to MJs basketball DNA is Kobe. Hands down. Honestly, ill take KD any day of the week over Lebron.
@@migsbel5496 KD been better than Giannis
He has a huge tattoo that proclaims he's the chosen one. Lol
Davy Jones Locker I mean, Giannis is currently my favorite player and I want to hate on that but you probably right. Giannis is a better forward player but can’t shoot and KD is good at being a forward and is one of the best shooters in the league.
Danahue Davidson
Ill take T mac over labram anyday
Thank you! I think kd has been better than labron. Labron blocks shots from behind and dunks off pick and roll and fast break. Kd has it all. Kobe is being trashed because they know he was better than labron. So they are trying to take him out of the minds of young people
These guys bring up excellent dual arguments... And drop some beautiful inside knowledge and politics of the game. Ty!
I would never try to cross another's line. RESPECT
At least Stephen got sense. Kobe been better!
Lost your mind 😂😂
Yep. No brainier 🤓. I'll take Kobe for the win, Alex 🖐️
What sense? From the guy better known for the brawl in the Palace than the championship he won as a role player. NEVER
So when will LeBron get his Shaq or Gasol? Cuz Kobe couldn't will without help
@@TrollinOn22s when got wade & bosh, then got kyrie
Basketball is a COMPETITIVE sport, whoever is a better COMPETITOR is a better player, period. And that is Kobe
Pretty much.
Kobe : Mamba Mentality
Lebum : Air ball Mentality
It’s funny looking back at this convo now in 2021 lmao
Kobe Bryant = 1 all star per championship run - West = 5-2
LeBron James = 2 all stars per championship run - East = 3-6
DONE
JIX9ISLER1986 no sir! That man had shack and was the second best player on his team.
Done
JIX9ISLER1986 that one all star Kobe had is better then any player Lebron has ever played with
@@BusinessFirst17 '''I think he's the best player in the world....by far''
-Shaq 2001 after Kobe had back to back 45pt plus games on kings(48pts 16 Reb) and spurs (45pts vs best defense in the league)
So you are saying shaq is wrong lol
@@kennygotthesauce1715
Who had more help - Kobe, Jordan or LeBron?
bleacherreport.com/articles/1464351-why-michael-jordan-kobe-bryant-didnt-take-talents-to-south-beach-like-lebron
Jordan's Supporting Cast Combined Per-Game Stats:
Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant (1991 to 1993)-32.5 PPG, 16.8 RPG, 9.0 APG, 52.2 FG%
Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman (1996-1998)-24.9 PPG, 21.5 RPG, 8.6 APG, 45.8 FG
average 28.7PPG
Kobe's Supporting Cast Combined Per-Game Stats:
Shaquille O'Neal and Derek Fisher (2000 to 2002)-37.6 PPG, 14.5 RPG, 6.4 APG, 48.2 FG%
Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum (2009 and 2010)-33.3 PPG, 18.6 RPG, 4.6 APG, 55.9FG%
average 35.45PPG
LeBron's Supporting Cast Combined Per-Game Stats:
Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh (2011)-40.1 PPG, 12.7 RPG, 6.4 APG, 49.2 FG%
Lebron has had more help and prime All stars in his career .....and that's a fact
KENS GAMEING CHANNEL bruh Shaq was avg 35 and 15 in the playoffs. He was the most unstoppable player and won Kobe 3 rings.
Watching Lebron play is just so boring bruh. I'm a lakers fan and I like lebron. I got nothing against the brotha. But I enjoyed watching kobe cause he was bringin it every single night. Lebron should be scoring 35-40 pts in this soft NBA every single night easily, easily IMO.
So true
True
Facts
Agree lebrons game is just layups, dunks, and threes.....
LeToxic ain't better than Nowitzki, let alone better than Kobe!