This scene is the most important because it is when he realises he made a mistake and it can't be reversed, and where he realises he has lost. This is a somewhat philosophical perspective on loss and grief. The rest of the movie is just the dark consequence. (Brad Bitt being fiber wired to death by decapitation)
"When it comes to grief, the normal rules of exchange do not apply. Because grief transcends value. A man would give entire nations to lift grief off his heart. And yet, you cannot buy anything with grief. Because grief is worthless."
I’m not sure I really understand that line. I would spend a lot of money to rid my home of bedbugs, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that bedbugs have value.
@@kyleerickson6022 But what you're paying for with bedbug relief is comfort in your bed at home. And in that case, you could shop around to find a good price. With grief, you may give away all that you own to free your heart and mind of whatever grieves you. And that is usually a non-negotiable proposition.
@@kyleerickson6022 Bedbugs are not a good analogy for grief over a loved one because the bugs can easily be killed (by setting your mattress and/or entire apartment on fire), whereas your feelings for the one you've lost can't. Unless your lover was a bedbug, in which case, you should also be grieving the hundreds of thousands of members of your lover's close family that just got eradicated by a guy in a blue jumpsuit. Unless you hated them.
At the understanding that life is not going to take you back. You are the world you have created and when you cease to exist the world you have created will cease to exist but for those with the understanding they are living the last days of the world death takes on a new meaning the extinction of all reality is a thought no resignation can encompass." MCcarthy is one of the very few who can write passages so profound and overwhelming they can change a persons life.
Telling him about the possibility that he may squeeze in a nap if he has time...is the coldest gangster line I've ever heard in film. You're life coming to ruin won't even bother me enough to cancel my afternoon nap
I like That line and The line in The Conversation between Bardem and Fassbender now that the Shit has Hit the Fan. Bardem Says 'They think Your Stupid, but they Dont Know how stupid you are.' Fassbender says' its a Coincidence ' Bardem 'They Dont Believe in Coincidences, They Have Heard of Them..But they Dont Believe in Them'....i have Probably paraphrased here but i think its an Awesome movie
@@caryg4810 well thats one World And His Potential Nap is Another, And Heretofore these worlds must have always Existed were they Not? It doesnt seem cold blooded to me .. it seems to bring a Certain Calm. unless Cold Blooded is a form of Peace
@@rexoates4484 I wonder that too - the fate of the character of The Counselor- , and the character Malkina (Cameron Diaz) incredibly perfect. A perfect version of a sociopathic woman, I don't think I've ever seen a movie with a woman so 'cold blooded'. I wonder if what she said about selling the diamonds -stolen from Westrey- in Hong Kong is true, or if she's just being out of line. Great movie.
even Shakespeare himself would call this a master class of dialogue. never has a "villain" broke down wisdom this fine that it almost seems in a poetic sense righteous to murder the counsellors wife! ingenuous writing.
Malkina was the real villain. Her failed plot to steal the cocaine shipment from the Cartel got everyone killed. By killing the Counselors fiance, he was made to suffer in the worst way.
This film wasn't made for a massive audience.. it was made to touch the hearts of the open minded. You are the world you created, and when you cease to exist exist that world will also cease to exist. Beautiful
This is a film that remained in my head long after I first saw it. Initially I wasn’t sure how I felt about it. There were certain things about it that I didn’t catch until after having rewatched it a few times. For example, the fact that nearly every scene in the film that doesn’t involve action of some sort (in other words, the vast majority of the movie) is a dialogue between two people / characters. In hindsight, although it’s not obvious upon first seeing it (at least it wasn’t for me), I’m guessing that may have been one of the main points of contention the audience had. The general consensus is that people didn’t like this movie at all. And I get it. It goes against the grain in so many ways. It’s been noted that this was the only screenplay that McCarthy wrote. As opposed to his novels that were adapted for the screen. He wrote this having that very specific format already in place. Some critics feel that may have been why it feels so odd. To Ridley Scott’s credit, he apparently didn’t tinker with it too much, if at all. A courageous and commendable choice; even if he was maligned after the fact. It’s a film unlike any other before or since. And every subsequent viewing is rewarding in different ways. This scene, with Reuben Blades is a standout. Even though it’s his only appearance in the film, Blades delivers his lines with a gravitas that not only breathes life into what’s written in the script, it also makes you wonder why this guy doesn’t get better parts! Also propers to Cameron Diaz as Malkina. Completely disagree with another comment criticizing her casting and performance. It was pitch perfect. Rarely has there been such an insanely written villain as Malkina and Cameron not only made her believable but she played her so as not to make her out to be a joke. Which could have easily been the case in the hands of a lesser actor. She made you take her seriously in spite of the fact that we literally see her having sex with a car. It might sound silly, but that’s an impressive tightrope act and she pulled it off.
I absolutely love this movie. I grew up close to the border between Juarez and the US, so I've always been familiar with what happens when people cross the wrong dealers. It's terrifying.
though the movie itself was horrible and discombobulated, it had some nice moments. this dialog was amazing and something I always come back to, though I wouldn't recommend the movie as a whole.
McCartrhy is also demonstrating that all The Counsellor's standing an education is still eclipsed by the education, experience and perception of Jefe, in spite of his role in a cartel. Pride comes before a fall; never assume you're the smartest guy in the room etc
One small detail I love is El Jefe’s silent communication with his maid as she prepares his coffee. With simple looks and gestures he lets her know he wants it with two sugars (or two milks).
Correct, and Jefe is the consummate, humble wise man, that even while dishing out thunderous wisdom, he can accept correction and learn something, even from his prey.
Facts are facts, and truth is truth, no matter who or where it comes from. A weaker man than Jefe, would, for instance, get unhinged and add insults and more torture just for being corrected, but Jefe, understands and expresses gratitude for the small nugget of assistance that his prey offers him. Jefe doesn't take it as an insult to his manhood or intelligence. It is a rare, rare quality.
It's a great touch, we see him do it a couple other times too. When he's talking to his contact in Mexico about getting in touch with Jefe, the other man says he doesn't want to be "in the center", to which the Counselor quickly corrects him, "In the middle". He's desperately holding on to these signifiers of being well-spoken and educated as a meager means of pretending he has any control over the horrifying situation he's in.
Such a great movie I’m not one of those “high art” or you just don’t get it type of people but this movie I think was just super misunderstood the trailers didn’t do it any favors everyone thought it was going to be just this actiony drug dealer movie but that’s kinda in the background it’s got some really good philosophical ideas and the monologues are just tremendous this gotta be one of the most slept on movies of all time
This goes for everything, not just criminal activity. When you make a choice you extinguish all other choices. Whatever roads they created are gone. Actually, they never existed at all and that's all because of you. You can look at that as a tragedy or a miracle.
The breaking wheel, an old torture method. He's metaphorically saying, You would take her place in being tortured, but you can't, that's not an option.
For what exactly? He doesn't know El Jefe's name or has ever seen him or knows where he lives at all. Plus, what would he say: "I got involved with a drug cartel by investing in their business so that I could become a millionaire, but then the hundreds of kilos of cocaine I personally invested in got stolen and the cartel has very good reasons to believe I was involved in that, even though I wasn't at all, but I 've absolutely no way at all to prove my innocence, so they took my girlfriend"? And, in any case, it would've been pointless; Laura had already been raped, tortured, murdered and decapitated (all of which served as material to shoot a snuff movie) by that time; and *ANYONE* with common sense knows governments are accomplices of the cartels. And, finally, in the screenplay, The Counselor ends up dying as well.
"If I have time I think I will take a small nap." That's some high level trolling.
This speech is unbelievable. It’s so eloquent but so chilling and harsh.
True that!! My 2nd favorite part of the movie behind Natalie Dormer's walk, lol
Amen! Absolutely.
God rest
I’ve watched more times than I can count. Truth can be cold and calculated.
God rest
McCarthy to a tee
Jefe squeezing in a little English lesson even at a time like this; a true scholar.
This gets me every time. Best scene of the movie.
MazBringsby This is the movie. I've encouraged people to watch this movie simply for this scene.
This scene is the most important because it is when he realises he made a mistake and it can't be reversed, and where he realises he has lost. This is a somewhat philosophical perspective on loss and grief. The rest of the movie is just the dark consequence. (Brad Bitt being fiber wired to death by decapitation)
Cormac McCarty - a genius
"When it comes to grief, the normal rules of exchange do not apply. Because grief transcends value. A man would give entire nations to lift grief off his heart. And yet, you cannot buy anything with grief. Because grief is worthless."
I’m not sure I really understand that line. I would spend a lot of money to rid my home of bedbugs, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that bedbugs have value.
@@kyleerickson6022 But what you're paying for with bedbug relief is comfort in your bed at home. And in that case, you could shop around to find a good price. With grief, you may give away all that you own to free your heart and mind of whatever grieves you. And that is usually a non-negotiable proposition.
@@kyleerickson6022 Bedbugs are not a good analogy for grief over a loved one because the bugs can easily be killed (by setting your mattress and/or entire apartment on fire), whereas your feelings for the one you've lost can't. Unless your lover was a bedbug, in which case, you should also be grieving the hundreds of thousands of members of your lover's close family that just got eradicated by a guy in a blue jumpsuit. Unless you hated them.
@@kyleerickson6022😮Gross
@@Elcore😂😂😂
Haha love this. Lol
At the understanding that life is not going to take you back. You are the world you have created and when you cease to exist the world you have created will cease to exist but for those with the understanding they are living the last days of the world death takes on a new meaning the extinction of all reality is a thought no resignation can encompass." MCcarthy is one of the very few who can write passages so profound and overwhelming they can change a persons life.
Keep coming back to listen after all these years...pure poetry in straight up gangster sh**t
For me this is the epic dialogue of all time..... powerful words
Telling him about the possibility that he may squeeze in a nap if he has time...is the coldest gangster line I've ever heard in film. You're life coming to ruin won't even bother me enough to cancel my afternoon nap
Totally!!!
I like That line and The line in The Conversation between Bardem and Fassbender now that the Shit has Hit the Fan. Bardem Says 'They think Your Stupid, but they Dont Know how stupid you are.' Fassbender says' its a Coincidence ' Bardem 'They Dont Believe in Coincidences, They Have Heard of Them..But they Dont Believe in Them'....i have Probably paraphrased here but i think its an Awesome movie
I thought the same thing...I'm gonna have my nap while you 'cease to exist'. Coldest sub-zero shit EVER.
@@caryg4810 well thats one World And His Potential Nap is Another, And Heretofore these worlds must have always Existed were they Not? It doesnt seem cold blooded to me .. it seems to bring a Certain Calm. unless Cold Blooded is a form of Peace
Whats even crazier is he implies he has "other calls to make" for peeps who may be in as much trouble as he is.
People say it's a crappy movie yet I watched this scene tens of times
i watched it 20 times....loved it
*yes*
It leaves me feeling like I’m hanging and wondering if he gets killed too, or do they just keep him suffering.
@@rexoates4484 I wonder that too - the fate of the character of The Counselor- , and the character Malkina (Cameron Diaz) incredibly perfect. A perfect version of a sociopathic woman, I don't think I've ever seen a movie with a woman so 'cold blooded'. I wonder if what she said about selling the diamonds -stolen from Westrey- in Hong Kong is true, or if she's just being out of line. Great movie.
If people say this is a crappy movie- they don't know what they are talking about
“We can meet some place.”
“We’re meeting now!”
💀
This movie aged unbelievably well. gets better every year
This movie is terrible mate? The book is good and this scene is astounding but everything else is godawful
@@Glynnermang There is no book. Nice one.
even Shakespeare himself would call this a master class of dialogue. never has a "villain" broke down wisdom this fine that it almost seems in a poetic sense righteous to murder the counsellors wife! ingenuous writing.
Malkina was the real villain. Her failed plot to steal the cocaine shipment from the Cartel got everyone killed. By killing the Counselors fiance, he was made to suffer in the worst way.
The most philosophical jefe in Mexico…if he’s in a good mood he quotes Carlos Casteneda while your fingernails are being pulled off
Lol
This film wasn't made for a massive audience.. it was made to touch the hearts of the open minded. You are the world you created, and when you cease to exist exist that world will also cease to exist. Beautiful
one of the best scenes ever ruben blades is pure class, awesome movie.
"If I have time, I think I'll take a small nap."
Nothing like some high ass existential crapshoot to fk with a broken man
RIP Cormac McCarthy
Has it been a month already?
This is a film that remained in my head long after I first saw it. Initially I wasn’t sure how I felt about it. There were certain things about it that I didn’t catch until after having rewatched it a few times. For example, the fact that nearly every scene in the film that doesn’t involve action of some sort (in other words, the vast majority of the movie) is a dialogue between two people / characters. In hindsight, although it’s not obvious upon first seeing it (at least it wasn’t for me), I’m guessing that may have been one of the main points of contention the audience had. The general consensus is that people didn’t like this movie at all. And I get it. It goes against the grain in so many ways. It’s been noted that this was the only screenplay that McCarthy wrote. As opposed to his novels that were adapted for the screen. He wrote this having that very specific format already in place. Some critics feel that may have been why it feels so odd. To Ridley Scott’s credit, he apparently didn’t tinker with it too much, if at all. A courageous and commendable choice; even if he was maligned after the fact. It’s a film unlike any other before or since. And every subsequent viewing is rewarding in different ways. This scene, with Reuben Blades is a standout. Even though it’s his only appearance in the film, Blades delivers his lines with a gravitas that not only breathes life into what’s written in the script, it also makes you wonder why this guy doesn’t get better parts! Also propers to Cameron Diaz as Malkina. Completely disagree with another comment criticizing her casting and performance. It was pitch perfect. Rarely has there been such an insanely written villain as Malkina and Cameron not only made her believable but she played her so as not to make her out to be a joke. Which could have easily been the case in the hands of a lesser actor. She made you take her seriously in spite of the fact that we literally see her having sex with a car. It might sound silly, but that’s an impressive tightrope act and she pulled it off.
Incredible speach . Priceless
Moral of the story. Dont fuck over a Cartel
The wisdom in this scene is truly unparalleled. It's amazing to me how deep Cormac could be
at 4:41 when he knows she's gone, that's the part that gets me. This and the Westray bar scene are the two best scenes in this great movie.
great scene great acting
I absolutely love this movie. I grew up close to the border between Juarez and the US, so I've always been familiar with what happens when people cross the wrong dealers. It's terrifying.
One of the best scenes in any movie
though the movie itself was horrible and discombobulated, it had some nice moments. this dialog was amazing and something I always come back to, though I wouldn't recommend the movie as a whole.
This is in one of my top 10 scenes of any movie of all time. I would say top 5. So brutal and powerful.
When it comes to grief, the normal rules of exchange doesn’t apply, because grief transcends value
McCartrhy is also demonstrating that all The Counsellor's standing an education is still eclipsed by the education, experience and perception of Jefe, in spite of his role in a cartel.
Pride comes before a fall; never assume you're the smartest guy in the room etc
The philosophy of this scene is a thread that runs through everything I’ve ever read from McCarthy.
I agree. I’d have loved to sit down with him for a few hours.
Amazing scene. And the speech hits hard.
boss of mafia should have charge for a psychotherapy session
The Counselor paid up front with his wife.
Caminante no hay camino / Se hace el camino al andar
2:42
That quote is one for the history/philosophical books in all ways possible. I been coming back to hear it again and again.
Absolutely the best
Hell of a scene.
"If I have time I think I'll take a, a small nap"
Deep talk , the counselor was being council !!!!
Yes, he told him you are the crossroads in your life. You can't go back. The world where you messed up doesn't exist anymore.
One small detail I love is El Jefe’s silent communication with his maid as she prepares his coffee. With simple looks and gestures he lets her know he wants it with two sugars (or two milks).
Not to mention how he calls for silence with 3 taps of the pool table.
I like how because he helped him with a word he thought that inspired hope 🤣
I had this same exact conversation with El Chapo when I f**ked up a package.
He was extremely well spoken, for a cartel leader at least…😂
Did you type this with a skinless hand?
RIP Cormac McCarthy, America's greatest
This movie should have won an Oscar, at least for the script.
Thank you for this masterpiece
And in spite of everything, the Gringo couldn't resist correcting the Mexican's pronunciation of "hiatus"...there's a lesson in there somewhere!
Correct, and Jefe is the consummate, humble wise man, that even while dishing out thunderous wisdom, he can accept correction and learn something, even from his prey.
Facts are facts, and truth is truth, no matter who or where it comes from.
A weaker man than Jefe, would, for instance, get unhinged and add insults and more torture just for being corrected, but Jefe, understands and expresses gratitude for the small nugget of assistance that his prey offers him. Jefe doesn't take it as an insult to his manhood or intelligence.
It is a rare, rare quality.
It's a great touch, we see him do it a couple other times too. When he's talking to his contact in Mexico about getting in touch with Jefe, the other man says he doesn't want to be "in the center", to which the Counselor quickly corrects him, "In the middle". He's desperately holding on to these signifiers of being well-spoken and educated as a meager means of pretending he has any control over the horrifying situation he's in.
I got the impression he was doing Jeffe a favor to correct his english
Help me, and whatever you say, I am with you
The nap at the ending was the strongest part of the whole dialogue.
Such a great movie I’m not one of those “high art” or you just don’t get it type of people but this movie I think was just super misunderstood the trailers didn’t do it any favors everyone thought it was going to be just this actiony drug dealer movie but that’s kinda in the background it’s got some really good philosophical ideas and the monologues are just tremendous this gotta be one of the most slept on movies of all time
That is Poetry !!
This scene is a black glittering diamond
You gotta love philosophical drug lords
Yeah in Reality , thats an Anomaly, if it does exist
McCarthy, said he knew drug dealers (he lived in El Paso for years), and many of them were very intelligent.
I kick around an idea for a sequel, but it wouldn't be ordinary.
The Counselor wasn't "ordinary" at all by any means...
2 The 2 Counselor: This Time, It’s Personal
In a way, this movie was already a sequel, to No Country for Old Men. It showed the massive metastasizing of the border's drug problem.
Its amazing how such a diamond of a scene can be included in such a shite film
Jesus Christ... Rueben Blades should be arrested for stealing this movie.
I want you to think about this: I didn’t walk out of the red cave one time. I don’t want it to be repeated unknowingly again.
Bottom line, you can’t have 1 foot in & 1 foot out. I learned the hard way…
This goes for everything, not just criminal activity. When you make a choice you extinguish all other choices. Whatever roads they created are gone. Actually, they never existed at all and that's all because of you. You can look at that as a tragedy or a miracle.
I believe that maybe this is the same thing happening to me now 😂
The Florida: the jefé's compound?
Moon in Sagittarius 😊
To take advantage of other people is A SIN, greif is worth... nothing 🙏😘🙌💗😇😍😎
This applies to all of life
why is he dragging the philosopher's stone into this
Hiatus
Westray
I don't make mistakes Gerry
Oscar worthy
I never did understand this movie is about dirty money, bad people.
don't do drugs !
Gangster are only tuff cause they have cowards afraid of them,
This scene, as eloquent and profound as it may seem, is nothing but an extremely bloated way of saying "We already killed your wife."
In the worst way then made a snuff film out of it for the counselors viewing displeasure.
Maybe it's just me, but the part where they talk about the word "hiatus" was not in the actual movie. Am I wrong?
Extended blu ray release
What does he mean by The Wheel?
being tortured by the cartel
The breaking wheel, an old torture method. He's metaphorically saying, You would take her place in being tortured, but you can't, that's not an option.
He should have gone to the feds.
He can still go to the feds.
For what exactly? He doesn't know El Jefe's name or has ever seen him or knows where he lives at all. Plus, what would he say: "I got involved with a drug cartel by investing in their business so that I could become a millionaire, but then the hundreds of kilos of cocaine I personally invested in got stolen and the cartel has very good reasons to believe I was involved in that, even though I wasn't at all, but I 've absolutely no way at all to prove my innocence, so they took my girlfriend"? And, in any case, it would've been pointless; Laura had already been raped, tortured, murdered and decapitated (all of which served as material to shoot a snuff movie) by that time; and *ANYONE* with common sense knows governments are accomplices of the cartels. And, finally, in the screenplay, The Counselor ends up dying as well.
The Feds are probably on Jefe's payroll...
I agree, if he went to the feds, he would be screwed too cause he chose to be a part of this.
@@ab4845in which script does he die in???
Crapola
the movie is subpar but the dialogue in this scene surpasses just about every piece of art you hold dear, and you know that to be true.
@@GayvonFartinSimmer down man 😅
@@ianmangham4570 search deep into your heart
great scene but a lot of philosophical Bull Shit
You’re responsible for you actions. So don’t cry about unwanted consequences
Nothing bullshit about it
Absolutely the best