As an aeronautical engineer working in a payroll team for a big tech company I can confirm what Luke and Linus said, enthusiasm and humility to learn are KEY
as a soon to graduate engineering undergrad can you give me an interview so i can bring my enthusiasm and humility to learn to your big tech company :)
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What I see from a lot of these videos is that Linus is an incredible boss, so reasonable, open and very fair to his team. It's so unique to see a boss like him
The fact Floatplane is the lovechild of some kind of drama between Luke and Linus, instead of some calculated business decision is just insane. Building software like Floatplane is insanely hard and risky. Props to Luke, but I hope they both realize just how lucky they are. The typical story for something like this is ending up in sunk-cost-fallacy-hell. People have sunk millions of dollars and thousands of hours at stuff like Floatplane.
@@aleks-33 Think of it like Patreon, but mainly video posts (in high-quality Audio & Vidoe) for early-access or exclusive content. Developed in-house but gets used by other creators as well, such as DankPods drumming streams, which would sound bad on most streaming sites but FP has good audio quality so it doesn't sound like crap.
I can feel this. One of my best friends works under me, though I'm not his direct manager and we sometimes have to make difficult decisions that affect him and others on the team. We have an amazing friendship outside of work but occasionally work related stuff can strain things - we have very strict boundaries on what we don't talk about outside of work, but I can easily see how things can get easily complicated. Good friendships will outlast any work related crap, jobs are replacable after all, but it doesn't mean it doesn't take a lot of work sometimes!
@@theglowcloud2215 I would, actually, and do, because at the weekend, he's *my* boss, as I'm his roadie/driver/technician for gigs (he's a singer/entertainer). I get where you're coming from, though!
Keep the conversation going and the boundaries real. It's not so much just the fact it's a job but that said job provides $$$ and $$$ can ruin any relationship. Stay vigilant.
the james story. in 11th year i wrote an apa research paper on qdoled, and my main source was james’ initial hands on with them. he explained everything so well, and to a point where i could then explain it in my paper well enough to get a solid A-. so props on him for putting in the time to learn the subject and learn to teach so well
The only thing about working outside hours when you start a new job is that with some people, it sets a precedent. Then they expect you to be willing to do it from that point on.
@Sakshi gaming educate yourself and figure it out on your own. Your on a video produced by a channel that can provide you with all the knowledge you need.
I think all qualified jobs need to have some kind of research/learning budget included in addition to what you automatically learn just by doing the work. That said, in technology the culture itself simply means that people will play with tech on their own time as well, and become more competitive hires regardless. I've struggled with doing things for work in my spare time because my work usually takes a lot of focus and energy, but now I'm actually starting to build a small app idea for fun with AWS serverless architecture which we also use at work.
We are going to agree that this culture exploits the worker, right? Surely the expectation that you work for free to educate yourself for work the company might do in the future on your own time is an insidious one?
@@metasystem8625 some do, some dont. At my current job I can take time to educate myself if I want to, but it hasnt been the case every time. Getting questions about how much you learn on your own in your spare time has happened to me as well. Not a lot, but things like "are you working on any hobby projects" etc. Which is used to gague my general interest for tech I think.
@@metasystem8625 If I work on stuff beyond work hours, it's only ever on skill building in areas that are either widely valued, or I personally have some passion for. If instead it's role specific then I'm doing it on the clock. I don't see that as exploitative - my employer does get extra value from that effort. If they don't recognise it, via flexibility promotion or pay, I'm in a good position to look elsewhere for someone who does value it.
I'm a manager for a small team and one of my team members, I think, works too hard. He puts more hours in and goes well past what I expect of him. I admire his attitude towards work but I do worry he's going to burn himself out - which I tell him - so I'm definitely gonna use the "you're no good to me dead" expression next time I see him working too hard.
This is the distinction with being a leader or being a manager. Do you mange their work or do you lead them down the right path? Enabling them for their aspirations and mentoring them. That is the difficult position. How to balance the goals of the business with your team. How do you cultivate that relationship while keeping it professional and respectful. I wish you the best but I would encourage you to find out what that employee is working for and how you can raise them to be satisfied. Do this with the whole team. Let them know how much you appreciate them all and how much this cohesive team makes it work so much. Also one way to handle the over work is to look at team events to bring more than work to their life. Maybe analyze what they are handling and what is the work load and reorganize the load. Are they over loaded or maybe their are spotting something your missing and pulling up the slack. Point being look at other angles and trying different methods to see what works the best. I have worked with many team members over the years I’ve learned to get them going towards goals and aspirations while making it a benefit to them and the work is rewarding to those individuals and the company. Good luck but keep in mind that your concerns might be something that is situational and not character driven so be observant first. Know your team and situation the best and avoid assumptions at all cost.
I am the way that your cohort is. The difference with my leadership is that I have now raised the baseline and my neurotic level of work has become the expectation. The danger in this is that my leadership doesn't see me as an important asset, but just someone working normally which of course demoralizes me and the rest of the team.
@@egondro9157 They're people so I treat them as such. If their performance slips I don't punish them, I talk with them and see what's going on and if there's anything I or the company can do to support them. And yeah, I'm very aware of what they want to do with their careers and I help guide them and push them in that direction, even if it means losing them as team members. They're more important to me as people than they are as team members. I can always hire new workers to fill their roles but I can't hire replacements for *them* if that makes sense.
Why do I get the feeling there is an epic Luke rise/fall/rise again character development arch that we are only getting a tiny glimpse into? Can we hear more about the story of FloatPlane's launch and Luke's transition???
1:10 (Linus said) at one point in time I was his friend, his landlord, his employer, and I think there was technically one other thing... I was also his lover. (That was the one other thing that Linus did not want to say...) We all know it. You can tell by their body language that he didn't say it because they were playing footsies underneath the table.
I have so much respect for Linus and Luke and the way they have run LMG and Floatplane. Hearing them talk business and HR in these clips, there are people at Fortune 500 companies that need to hear this stuff because they are too focused on seeing the "R" that they have forgotten the "H".
You know, I came for the tech videos, and still enjoy them, but I definitely stay for the WAN show. This is the first podcast I’ve actually ever latched onto, and you guys have some really great content. As a small business owner who’s trying to scale and add more units to his business, I find a lot of the stuff you guys talk about actually very useful and interesting.
Being employee or employer of your friend is great when it works. Sadly, it can very easily stop working, and if that happens, it can be nasty and awkward and making everyone involved miserable, and might even cost you the friendship. So my personal recommendation would be to avoid that work situation if at all possible and leave friends out of your work relationships. Chances are you'll be glad you did. Also the "be a valuable member of the team" can easily turn against you too if you make yourself a bit too valuable and a bit too willing to be that, because you're likely to work with people that are less willing to be valuable members of the team, in which case you'll be taken advantage of rather easily.
That's one of the thing I hate about work culture. People expect you to learn be at speed but also hate it when you're asking question - the whole don't ask the same thing twice, I've really hate it. It's not like you can give a perfect answer the first time either, sometime it just took effort to understand what each of you want. Because of that, I've made it my personal rule that if some newbies (or anyone really) come asking me questions, I'll answer to the best of my ability, as many times as they need it to do their job.
Best tip for a new joining a new department (as a lead)? Curiosity and be yourself / relatable. Curiosity makes the other team members excited that there is a person being interested in their expertise. And being yourself / relatable makes you seem human and a part of the social group.
As someone who's had a lot of ...well unfit bosses... Just listen to your workers, they know what's best for the product. And if you have to turn down advice or opinions, help them see stuff from your point of view instead of just pushing through. You can get people to do amazing things if you find out how to motivate them the right way. Some people just want more and more money, but a lot of people take pride in making the best product out there. If you get them rolling, you won't be able to stop them again. As in, if you fire them at some point, they'll likely just go off and become your biggest competitor...
lmao i’m 2:26 in and this feels like watching a divorced couple meeting years later after both have self healed and realised the damage they both caused and are finally talking about it.
If you're being sent to another department to lead a team, keep two things in mind: firstly, the people at the top chose you for that position for a reason, understand why, and you will understand what you have to do, and be confident in yourself and their judgement; and secondly, don't let go up to your head, you're the boss but you're also the new guy, you are filling someone else's shoes and sitting on a chair other people were fighting for, don't act as if you know better just because you were promoted, learn from the quality's, absorb their experience, and during that time use your fresh eyes to find where they are lacking.
It was going so well then they just start throwing advice at you haha. I think they both have great points, some of what Luke said seems very typical of what every potential employer, good (but generally bad) would say. There's stuff they say that might not even make sense to you now until you get some more work experience under your belt. Definitely some gems here, and a great story to boot!
The part of burning out is super true, its something i have a hard time getting out of but managing the self care is one of the best ways to avoid it. I think its nice for the gogetter attitude and im glad james is a super great host plus seems to be doing well.
Agreed, burnout happens even when you never think it will. I'm obsessed with tech, I work with it, I play with it at home, everything in my life is about tech and I've always done tons of work outside of work, unpaid and totally voluntarily for the love of the job. But burnout does creep up on you and at one point I couldn't bare to look at work stuff even during work let alone in my spare time as I always had done before. Thankfully, at that time I was beginning to hire a team of my own so I was able to delegate much of the stuff I would do in my spare time to my new team to take care of and I just took a few months of ignoring everything once I'd left the office. I'm now at a happy medium place where I occasionally still voluntarily work out of hours when I'm in the mood, but I'm equally at-ease when I don't feel like it and most importantly I don't feel I'm letting anyone down by taking a step back any more
My official job title is office manager. I came into the company with 3 months of experience. I know the reason i am in this position was because i always said "not my job is not in my vocabulary." I put time in after hours and did every job without argument no matter the difficulty or if i knew what i was doing i always said ill figure it out. We have people who are much more qualified than i am that i was moved up over because of that. My boss never misses a chance to remind me how much being a company person is more important than experience to him
8:30 is bad advice. Socially getting along and being a likeable friendly face are huge. Granted it's a balance, but if you want to climb any kind of ladder starting towards the button. You need people to like you. But for job security and success in that specific role, you absolutely should focus on doing your best in your role and that's it.
I just had a bit of a burnout. Luckily my line of work allows me to take long breaks so I took a month off and I just got back into it. The worst realization I had was in December after I had sold my PTO days and was working harder to make up for everyone else being on PTO.
I've been in the workforce since I was 16 years old. So thats getting close 30 years now. I have been the new guy. I have been the boss. I have been the guy that is roomies with the boss so I was put in as assistant manager. I have also been just a normal worker thats friends outside of work with the boss. When I was living under the same roof with my boss and kinda just made myself assistant store manager I was 19. It was a disaster because I was young and stupid. I knew very well how to take advantage of the situation and I did. It was not a good time for the store or the other employees. Now go on ahead about 20 years and its not that hard to be friends with your boss. Both of you have to be adults and do your job. You have to know that your friendship has nothing to do with you when you are on the clock. The employee has to give it their best try. Go in and do your job. Realize that if you aren't doing what you should then your BOSS may have to treat you like you are an employee thats not doing what they are paid to do! Same thing if you are the boss. You have to treat all the people under you like they are human beings. You especially have to make sure you don't treat your friend differently from everyone else. If there is a promotion or raise due to someone and the best person for it happens to be your friend? You best hope you have done right and treated your people as the valuable assets they are. If not someone will raise a stink about your buddy being promoted unfairly and you could both end up unemployed! You could have employees that are just crap people as well. They could raise a problem regardless of how well you have treated them. So be prepared to answer questions if higher ups at the company come to you with questions about why your buddy was promoted above everyone else. It should be clear in most cases if they truly deserved the raise and or promotion. Yes you can be friends and under or above each other at work. The best solution is to go above and beyond to leave that friendship off the clock. Don't hang out on break. Don't constantly chat as best buds while on the clock or at the job period. If it puts a strain onyour friendship? Well thats normal. If it destroys your friendship then ask yourself how good of friends were you to begin with? It takes work to be friends at work.
Whats good about you two is you can both admit shit was going on and maybe misplaced. Lifes rough, just gotta learn together sometimes, stick through even if it seems like a bad idea. Usually only works when both parties try to be humble and honest tho
"don't try too hard" can mean "only perform to a level you can reliably sustain over long periods of time". Because when you push yourself to burnout levels, where "i can handle this for maybe a week or two but then i'll crack and lose capability for a while"-the company will generally see "hey, you did this much before, so you clearly should be doing that EVERY DAY WITHOUT FAIL. It's like tightening the rope around your own neck, any inch you give, they will take it and refuse to give it back. And i've seen companies decide their best employees should be the baseline for all employees, and started increasing requirements and firing long-time employees that were always in good standing because they couldn't match peak performance of the best employees. Those companies turn into revolving doors though, just trying to find that small percent of people able to maintain incredibly high levels of performance and kicking other good employees to the curb for not being 'the best'. (and this wasn't even a good paying job). It's kind of like cars, you can redline them for a bit to get that extra performance, but if someone tried to keep it running at redline ALL THE TIME that engine is going to burn out/blow up
I think the reality is that nobody truly has THE experience for a job. Even the people at the highest positions are faking until they make it. The successful ones are just able to convince others that they know what they are doing.
I think it was love at first sight with Linus when he interviewed Luke, I mean Linus made a man out of him. Its basically rags to riches story. I think the Linus family is just a facade so people wont call him gay
Best advice: ask questions. Be 100% transparent with your direct reports about your level of experience with the work being done. Let them know you want to learn first, lead second. Show that you are willing to get your hands dirty with them. Remember as an outside set of eyes you may see things that are creating unnecessary obstacles that more tenured team members have simply accepted as being normal as well.
As someone that joined my dream job a completely new organisation (a VERY well known and respected Science Org in Australia) right out of University I just turned myself into a sponge and had a notebook and tried to absorb as much as quick as possible. No after hours work everyone has a work life expectation of work and rest. My team manager is VERY strict on taking time off (as in TAKE TIME OFF don't overwork) Been here just under 6 months now and everyone has been super impressed even got my temp contract extented well beyond what was discussed in my interview. Just ask questions and even ask them again after the fact some systems are complicated to get first try as long as you be ENTHUSIASTIC. I've also found asking for MORE work if you feel you've caught on and can handle it ofc don't hesitate to ask for more tasks to at least learn.
In Dutch we would say: "eerst zaaien dan oogsten" translates to: "first sow than harvest the crops" If you put effort into something, that something will benefit you later. Like getting a raise, promotion or something like that. Adding / doing the extra step will be noticed!
Lmg isn't amazon, pretty sure they wouldn't stubbornly keep a project open at a huge loss. So it's gotta be doing pretty well right? 😎 glad to hear of floatplane's continued success!
Another issue is hoping to come across a boss that knows their staff, knows their capabilities and would like to see them rank up. In a lot of industries, the people that deserve a promotion and to get pushed up the ladder the most, dont get it while those that dont deserve it do as part of some internal drama (friend higher up in the ranks) or _'box ticking exercises'_ you know, the super controversial sort where people who arent qualified or have the right amount of experience or mental fortitude get bumped up the ladder because of their race or gender etc etc.
Unfortunately since he was always a hired employee he never will be. He could become a partner but a founder is only ever the person who started the company.
it's hard to be the boss or work under your friend because the nature of business is to survive in bad times and that means you need to fire people in a bad year. Sometimes the friend think he is the last person to be fired but that may not be true some other people could be more valuable for the business instead of him and they could take that in a bad way and ruin the friendship, these things needs to be talked beforehand at the beginning.
I had two people booted from my team. Both for different kinds of bad attitudes. One came back temporarily because he was humbled by the new team he was on. I gladly had him back and he became a valuable member. Screw the other guy, total pos.
The first rule of leadership is learn how to follow. If you have people with experience it's better to work closely with them so you can understand some of the challenges.
Great advice all around. Only thing I would add is to keep an eye/ear out for anyone who is overly negative, whether it's about the team or resources or the boss or whatever. They tend to grab on to new hires early, and if they're talking crap about other people, they're talking crap about you too.
Anyone can keep a friendship regardless of nationality, it's about effort and care. None of my Canadian friends are still in my life but most my southern US friends are
@@billyhart3299 yup. Imagine voting for anything with a D on it. That said, I don’t hate those people, but they profess their hate for us CONSTANTLY lmao
@@paulcarmi8130 the actual sad part is that virtually every favor I had done or a moment of need I had fulfilled with them had just been permanently forgotten about over my decision of vote. For a lot of people on the left at the moment friendship is extremely conditional and the consequences for breaking those conditions, no matter how slight, can result in very spiteful and harmful reprisal. It's made me a much more closed off person the last few years and it took me a long time to get over the anger and try to be persuasive again. It's even more frustrating that the principals and outcomes of our ethical decisions are much more similar than we might all expect if you zoom out far enough. But all the means to make it from principals to outcomes are so mismatched not only on what those middle principals and outcomes are, but also the determinations of what they lead to. It's a total communication breakdown and the only thing that will fix it is free speech and persuasive discourse without fear of reprisal.
god do i wish i lived in Vancouver. I would have applied for a job there just for the sheer knowledge and how much i could expand myself on my fav topics, all because you guys simply seem to have access to it all. My biggest downside is I'm not a writer nor do i have any editing skills... though I'm sure i could learn how to do things they have down there. Labs would probably be the dream though. Everything Videos cards and CPU's are my jam.
Probably not "counter culture" about "putting in effort outside of work-hours" when it means say for example, reading up on how to do certain things and/or tasks regarding your employment and similar such, manuals and what-else similar. That is just "an effort to integrate your work with the employment more quickly", rather than what some calls "millenials" lazy for not wanting to do, which is, "unpaid overtime". Not working unpaid overtime is a valid argument seeing as "employment" means "paid for one's work-hours", or hours worked, not getting paid for your work is really just hours of your life you give an employer for them to benefit from. (unless you're getting a part of employer-company revenue and/or stonk-options, for then you are actually benefiting from adding in your work towards the company revenue/turnover)
More of a point to what Luke was saying about their inventory system and infrastructure projects: Every company should have at least one dev on staff. Doesn't matter if it's just a script kiddie or a 10-man team, there are _so many_ tasks that can be automated/improved with internal tools. * That report the guy in accounting does every month that takes a week to manually compile? Walk the dev team through the process once and have an automated solution for next month's reports. * Stupid proprietary thing needs to be integrated into another stupid proprietary thing? Let the devs poke around for a bit and they'll figure out how to pipe one into the other. * IT needs to do nightly backups on XYZ server? Devs can throw a bash/python script together that automates the entire thing. All of these things are projected I've been given that weren't part of my main development job. They were going to purchase multi thousand dollar solutions for every single one.
Problem with this is as a dev if you go out of your way to do this most companies will never reward your actual value and just start to lean on you realllyyyy hard for not much in return. It definitely is great for expierience and ammunition to use with other employers though. But you will become the person they think can bail them out of everything with some mystical tech solution they vastly misunderstand.
From a business standpoint it's a good idea though. I hear tech people talk about the most agregious inefficiencies that stem from flat out ignorance, that could be vastly improved. And bosses refuse to listen. Apparently, alot of dev sit at their job feeling like they are wasting their time on stupid trinkets.
I have watched LTT since before they moved into the content house and always felt that Linus would be hard to deal with as a boss. He "seems" like he just wants things his way even if it's not so much the best way. It's hard to work for people like them if you want to sometimes get your own way. What you end up doing is trying to convince the BOSS that your good idea is actually his so he is willing to give it a go which means when it works he takes all the credit and if it doesn't go so well it was your idea not there idea. Linus has CRUSHED the game and made a lot of people a lot of money but I am quite sure he can be a mean nasty boss on occasion. Being a boss is hard. You did well Luke and are every bit as responsible for LTT being what it is as Linus is he just invested more.
My question is, how does someone get promoted into a position they have no experience in? Like... the company should hire someone qualified. All I can say is for this person to do their best and learn as MUCH about the position they possibly can as quickly as as they can. Be flexible and humble in your approach.
i am breaking in my 3rd new "superior" at work. because i did not want that position when it opened up for the first time. And because the people i broke in and rebuilt are actually capable of doing more than just filling the position as my superior.
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So Linus was Luke's Feudal lord for a brief time
When you put it like that...
So called landlords when I live underground
Being back feudalism?
hahaha holy shit yeah
Essentially
“I was his friend, his landlord, and…… his lover”
😅😂
He gave him a little more than the linus tech *tip*
@@carpelunam Using his _"Linus sized screwdriver"_ .... 😏
@@thedarkpassenger6696 you my friend, need Jesus lmao
@@hoppp Jesus called, he said "nah f*** that"
Luke was thrown to floatplane and just went “I’m going to make this actually good just to spite Linus”
As an aeronautical engineer working in a payroll team for a big tech company I can confirm what Luke and Linus said, enthusiasm and humility to learn are KEY
as a soon to graduate engineering undergrad can you give me an interview so i can bring my enthusiasm and humility to learn to your big tech company :)
I work for a company led by delusional people while in school, and it's fake it till you make it 100% for me
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@@twentylush 40 years work experience required sorry
So your company stuck an Aeronautical engineer in...payroll?
2:30 So, Luke's position was once "Assistant to the Regional Manager".
@Anshika gaming you scammers need to this stop madness
@@adriancandelario2902 report and move on tends to be the best move. Commenting on bots just feeds them.
@@adriancandelario2902 that's the third time I've seen this one in two days. Keep reporting
The fact you guys have achieved so much and stayed friends speaks volumes for your characters.
What I see from a lot of these videos is that Linus is an incredible boss, so reasonable, open and very fair to his team. It's so unique to see a boss like him
And having succes will help too. If certain things didn't go (as) well there could have been a lot more friction/problems.
The plot armor is significant.
Linus admitting he pushed Luke onto a side project because he was annoying him is the funniest shit, and somehow exactly what I expected it to be
I love how with each WAN show, we get progressively closer to Linus and Luke admitting that they were once boyfriend and boyfriend.
Sugardaddy I believe it's called. 😂
Ew no please
@ 吉田駆 we know this is the Yvonne bot army
@@吉田駆-i9f based
You mean boyfriend and girlfriend.
The fact Floatplane is the lovechild of some kind of drama between Luke and Linus, instead of some calculated business decision is just insane. Building software like Floatplane is insanely hard and risky. Props to Luke, but I hope they both realize just how lucky they are. The typical story for something like this is ending up in sunk-cost-fallacy-hell. People have sunk millions of dollars and thousands of hours at stuff like Floatplane.
I'm kinda new here, what's Flip/floatplane?
@@aleks-33 JFGI
@@aleks-33 Think of it like Patreon, but mainly video posts (in high-quality Audio & Vidoe) for early-access or exclusive content. Developed in-house but gets used by other creators as well, such as DankPods drumming streams, which would sound bad on most streaming sites but FP has good audio quality so it doesn't sound like crap.
1:14 "technically one more thing"
Did you use protection?
I can feel this. One of my best friends works under me, though I'm not his direct manager and we sometimes have to make difficult decisions that affect him and others on the team. We have an amazing friendship outside of work but occasionally work related stuff can strain things - we have very strict boundaries on what we don't talk about outside of work, but I can easily see how things can get easily complicated. Good friendships will outlast any work related crap, jobs are replacable after all, but it doesn't mean it doesn't take a lot of work sometimes!
Wendys is temporary, bros are eternal
I wonder if you'd have this same chirpy opinion if you were the subordinate and your friend were your boss. :^)
@@theglowcloud2215 I would, actually, and do, because at the weekend, he's *my* boss, as I'm his roadie/driver/technician for gigs (he's a singer/entertainer). I get where you're coming from, though!
Keep the conversation going and the boundaries real. It's not so much just the fact it's a job but that said job provides $$$ and $$$ can ruin any relationship. Stay vigilant.
the james story. in 11th year i wrote an apa research paper on qdoled, and my main source was james’ initial hands on with them. he explained everything so well, and to a point where i could then explain it in my paper well enough to get a solid A-. so props on him for putting in the time to learn the subject and learn to teach so well
Friend, landlord, employer and unlicensed proctologist
The only thing about working outside hours when you start a new job is that with some people, it sets a precedent. Then they expect you to be willing to do it from that point on.
If you're awful, be someone else! Now THAT is a statement that could change the world 😂👍
@Sakshi gaming I do not care in the slightest
@Sakshi gaming educate yourself and figure it out on your own. Your on a video produced by a channel that can provide you with all the knowledge you need.
if only democrats would take this to heart
I will forever use this quote
George Santos gameplay
Every time Linus says Yvonne Umbrella Corporation, I think YUC
I think all qualified jobs need to have some kind of research/learning budget included in addition to what you automatically learn just by doing the work. That said, in technology the culture itself simply means that people will play with tech on their own time as well, and become more competitive hires regardless. I've struggled with doing things for work in my spare time because my work usually takes a lot of focus and energy, but now I'm actually starting to build a small app idea for fun with AWS serverless architecture which we also use at work.
We are going to agree that this culture exploits the worker, right? Surely the expectation that you work for free to educate yourself for work the company might do in the future on your own time is an insidious one?
@@metasystem8625 some do, some dont. At my current job I can take time to educate myself if I want to, but it hasnt been the case every time. Getting questions about how much you learn on your own in your spare time has happened to me as well. Not a lot, but things like "are you working on any hobby projects" etc. Which is used to gague my general interest for tech I think.
@@metasystem8625 If I work on stuff beyond work hours, it's only ever on skill building in areas that are either widely valued, or I personally have some passion for. If instead it's role specific then I'm doing it on the clock.
I don't see that as exploitative - my employer does get extra value from that effort. If they don't recognise it, via flexibility promotion or pay, I'm in a good position to look elsewhere for someone who does value it.
I agree with the fact that the work takes time and energy... Every time I get off work I'm sooo tired 😅
Saving this to share with future young staff. Luke's take on bosses is exactly what both managers and staff need to hear.
And Linus about "don't be afraid to ask and take notes"
Saying "part 2" for the scam link is such a good idea, I wonder why nobody does that
I'm a manager for a small team and one of my team members, I think, works too hard. He puts more hours in and goes well past what I expect of him. I admire his attitude towards work but I do worry he's going to burn himself out - which I tell him - so I'm definitely gonna use the "you're no good to me dead" expression next time I see him working too hard.
Nice. Be a leader, not a boss.
This is the distinction with being a leader or being a manager. Do you mange their work or do you lead them down the right path? Enabling them for their aspirations and mentoring them. That is the difficult position. How to balance the goals of the business with your team. How do you cultivate that relationship while keeping it professional and respectful. I wish you the best but I would encourage you to find out what that employee is working for and how you can raise them to be satisfied. Do this with the whole team. Let them know how much you appreciate them all and how much this cohesive team makes it work so much. Also one way to handle the over work is to look at team events to bring more than work to their life. Maybe analyze what they are handling and what is the work load and reorganize the load. Are they over loaded or maybe their are spotting something your missing and pulling up the slack. Point being look at other angles and trying different methods to see what works the best. I have worked with many team members over the years I’ve learned to get them going towards goals and aspirations while making it a benefit to them and the work is rewarding to those individuals and the company. Good luck but keep in mind that your concerns might be something that is situational and not character driven so be observant first. Know your team and situation the best and avoid assumptions at all cost.
I am the way that your cohort is. The difference with my leadership is that I have now raised the baseline and my neurotic level of work has become the expectation. The danger in this is that my leadership doesn't see me as an important asset, but just someone working normally which of course demoralizes me and the rest of the team.
I have clinical depression and sometimes cope by burying myself in work. They might be depressed lol.
@@egondro9157 They're people so I treat them as such. If their performance slips I don't punish them, I talk with them and see what's going on and if there's anything I or the company can do to support them. And yeah, I'm very aware of what they want to do with their careers and I help guide them and push them in that direction, even if it means losing them as team members. They're more important to me as people than they are as team members. I can always hire new workers to fill their roles but I can't hire replacements for *them* if that makes sense.
did floatplane happen because Yvonne said Luke wasnt allowed to sleep in your guys bed anymore? :p
Why do I get the feeling there is an epic Luke rise/fall/rise again character development arch that we are only getting a tiny glimpse into? Can we hear more about the story of FloatPlane's launch and Luke's transition???
1:10 (Linus said) at one point in time I was his friend, his landlord, his employer, and I think there was technically one other thing... I was also his lover. (That was the one other thing that Linus did not want to say...) We all know it. You can tell by their body language that he didn't say it because they were playing footsies underneath the table.
I have so much respect for Linus and Luke and the way they have run LMG and Floatplane. Hearing them talk business and HR in these clips, there are people at Fortune 500 companies that need to hear this stuff because they are too focused on seeing the "R" that they have forgotten the "H".
"So rent is due"
"yea will pay once i get my salary"
"Oh okay when is that?"
"I dont know you tell me"
Really love the transparency you guys have when it comes to conversations like this.
You know, I came for the tech videos, and still enjoy them, but I definitely stay for the WAN show. This is the first podcast I’ve actually ever latched onto, and you guys have some really great content. As a small business owner who’s trying to scale and add more units to his business, I find a lot of the stuff you guys talk about actually very useful and interesting.
Being employee or employer of your friend is great when it works. Sadly, it can very easily stop working, and if that happens, it can be nasty and awkward and making everyone involved miserable, and might even cost you the friendship. So my personal recommendation would be to avoid that work situation if at all possible and leave friends out of your work relationships. Chances are you'll be glad you did.
Also the "be a valuable member of the team" can easily turn against you too if you make yourself a bit too valuable and a bit too willing to be that, because you're likely to work with people that are less willing to be valuable members of the team, in which case you'll be taken advantage of rather easily.
That's one of the thing I hate about work culture. People expect you to learn be at speed but also hate it when you're asking question - the whole don't ask the same thing twice, I've really hate it. It's not like you can give a perfect answer the first time either, sometime it just took effort to understand what each of you want.
Because of that, I've made it my personal rule that if some newbies (or anyone really) come asking me questions, I'll answer to the best of my ability, as many times as they need it to do their job.
Lukes advice there towards the end about burnout really spoke to me, I've been in a bad cycle for a couple months.
Best tip for a new joining a new department (as a lead)? Curiosity and be yourself / relatable. Curiosity makes the other team members excited that there is a person being interested in their expertise. And being yourself / relatable makes you seem human and a part of the social group.
As someone who's had a lot of ...well unfit bosses... Just listen to your workers, they know what's best for the product. And if you have to turn down advice or opinions, help them see stuff from your point of view instead of just pushing through. You can get people to do amazing things if you find out how to motivate them the right way. Some people just want more and more money, but a lot of people take pride in making the best product out there. If you get them rolling, you won't be able to stop them again. As in, if you fire them at some point, they'll likely just go off and become your biggest competitor...
"Unless you're awful, and then be someone else."
Hahaha. Sage advice.
this conversation was like 2 exes discussing dating
lmao i’m 2:26 in and this feels like watching a divorced couple meeting years later after both have self healed and realised the damage they both caused and are finally talking about it.
the awkward tension in this conversation was so fun to watch lol
Luke: my relationship with Linus was like RGB lights...
Friend boss landlord and lovers lol
They should get a room hehe
If you're being sent to another department to lead a team, keep two things in mind: firstly, the people at the top chose you for that position for a reason, understand why, and you will understand what you have to do, and be confident in yourself and their judgement; and secondly, don't let go up to your head, you're the boss but you're also the new guy, you are filling someone else's shoes and sitting on a chair other people were fighting for, don't act as if you know better just because you were promoted, learn from the quality's, absorb their experience, and during that time use your fresh eyes to find where they are lacking.
It was going so well then they just start throwing advice at you haha. I think they both have great points, some of what Luke said seems very typical of what every potential employer, good (but generally bad) would say. There's stuff they say that might not even make sense to you now until you get some more work experience under your belt. Definitely some gems here, and a great story to boot!
The part of burning out is super true, its something i have a hard time getting out of but managing the self care is one of the best ways to avoid it. I think its nice for the gogetter attitude and im glad james is a super great host plus seems to be doing well.
Agreed, burnout happens even when you never think it will. I'm obsessed with tech, I work with it, I play with it at home, everything in my life is about tech and I've always done tons of work outside of work, unpaid and totally voluntarily for the love of the job. But burnout does creep up on you and at one point I couldn't bare to look at work stuff even during work let alone in my spare time as I always had done before. Thankfully, at that time I was beginning to hire a team of my own so I was able to delegate much of the stuff I would do in my spare time to my new team to take care of and I just took a few months of ignoring everything once I'd left the office. I'm now at a happy medium place where I occasionally still voluntarily work out of hours when I'm in the mood, but I'm equally at-ease when I don't feel like it and most importantly I don't feel I'm letting anyone down by taking a step back any more
My official job title is office manager. I came into the company with 3 months of experience. I know the reason i am in this position was because i always said "not my job is not in my vocabulary." I put time in after hours and did every job without argument no matter the difficulty or if i knew what i was doing i always said ill figure it out. We have people who are much more qualified than i am that i was moved up over because of that. My boss never misses a chance to remind me how much being a company person is more important than experience to him
That last one was "lovers" wasn't it? Y'all had a bromance 😂😂😂😂
My 14 year old self is amused that the thumbnail for this video appears to have Linus making a kissy face toward Luke.
8:30 is bad advice. Socially getting along and being a likeable friendly face are huge. Granted it's a balance, but if you want to climb any kind of ladder starting towards the button. You need people to like you. But for job security and success in that specific role, you absolutely should focus on doing your best in your role and that's it.
Linus has been really funny the past few weeks! I've been cracking up at all of these videos
I just had a bit of a burnout. Luckily my line of work allows me to take long breaks so I took a month off and I just got back into it. The worst realization I had was in December after I had sold my PTO days and was working harder to make up for everyone else being on PTO.
If it's ok me asking, what line of work?
You can sell your pto? My god it's a right not a commodity where I am from. You can buy more but certainly not sell it! That's crazy to me...
@forgonenapster8888 yeah! PTO is considered part of my paycheck. If I don't use the days, then I'm entitled to money I would've been paid.
The ad timing for me was beautiful.
“Under the umbrella of…”
*overly boosted “sexy” whisper*
“SWEET-TARTS”
💀😂😂
I've been in the workforce since I was 16 years old. So thats getting close 30 years now. I have been the new guy. I have been the boss. I have been the guy that is roomies with the boss so I was put in as assistant manager. I have also been just a normal worker thats friends outside of work with the boss. When I was living under the same roof with my boss and kinda just made myself assistant store manager I was 19. It was a disaster because I was young and stupid. I knew very well how to take advantage of the situation and I did. It was not a good time for the store or the other employees. Now go on ahead about 20 years and its not that hard to be friends with your boss. Both of you have to be adults and do your job. You have to know that your friendship has nothing to do with you when you are on the clock. The employee has to give it their best try. Go in and do your job. Realize that if you aren't doing what you should then your BOSS may have to treat you like you are an employee thats not doing what they are paid to do! Same thing if you are the boss. You have to treat all the people under you like they are human beings. You especially have to make sure you don't treat your friend differently from everyone else. If there is a promotion or raise due to someone and the best person for it happens to be your friend? You best hope you have done right and treated your people as the valuable assets they are. If not someone will raise a stink about your buddy being promoted unfairly and you could both end up unemployed! You could have employees that are just crap people as well. They could raise a problem regardless of how well you have treated them. So be prepared to answer questions if higher ups at the company come to you with questions about why your buddy was promoted above everyone else. It should be clear in most cases if they truly deserved the raise and or promotion. Yes you can be friends and under or above each other at work. The best solution is to go above and beyond to leave that friendship off the clock. Don't hang out on break. Don't constantly chat as best buds while on the clock or at the job period. If it puts a strain onyour friendship? Well thats normal. If it destroys your friendship then ask yourself how good of friends were you to begin with? It takes work to be friends at work.
That can be a song, "🎼I am your friend, your boss, your landlord and your little boy🎶"
The sudden realization that Yvonne is actually tje 3rd wheel.. 😂😂
I’m baffled at the number of people who just go home and watch TV all night, and don’t do a single thing to improve their knowledge of the job
I was Luke's friend, boss, landlord and one other thing..... oh yeah, Luke, I am your father.... all of those things at once.
Whats good about you two is you can both admit shit was going on and maybe misplaced. Lifes rough, just gotta learn together sometimes, stick through even if it seems like a bad idea.
Usually only works when both parties try to be humble and honest tho
Education on your own time I think is fine. Doing work on your own time isn't.
The bromance we once all fell in love with LTT is still there!
"Go getter attitude" = go through training during free unpaid overtime.
"don't try too hard" can mean "only perform to a level you can reliably sustain over long periods of time". Because when you push yourself to burnout levels, where "i can handle this for maybe a week or two but then i'll crack and lose capability for a while"-the company will generally see "hey, you did this much before, so you clearly should be doing that EVERY DAY WITHOUT FAIL. It's like tightening the rope around your own neck, any inch you give, they will take it and refuse to give it back. And i've seen companies decide their best employees should be the baseline for all employees, and started increasing requirements and firing long-time employees that were always in good standing because they couldn't match peak performance of the best employees. Those companies turn into revolving doors though, just trying to find that small percent of people able to maintain incredibly high levels of performance and kicking other good employees to the curb for not being 'the best'. (and this wasn't even a good paying job). It's kind of like cars, you can redline them for a bit to get that extra performance, but if someone tried to keep it running at redline ALL THE TIME that engine is going to burn out/blow up
Linus probbaly been ISP for luke.
And watercooling provider too.
@Sakshi gaming bot
I think the reality is that nobody truly has THE experience for a job. Even the people at the highest positions are faking until they make it. The successful ones are just able to convince others that they know what they are doing.
I think it was love at first sight with Linus when he interviewed Luke, I mean Linus made a man out of him. Its basically rags to riches story. I think the Linus family is just a facade so people wont call him gay
"Find an AJ and a Yuki as fast as you can..." (suddenly his entire team gets unsolicited job offers from another company)
Best advice: ask questions. Be 100% transparent with your direct reports about your level of experience with the work being done. Let them know you want to learn first, lead second. Show that you are willing to get your hands dirty with them.
Remember as an outside set of eyes you may see things that are creating unnecessary obstacles that more tenured team members have simply accepted as being normal as well.
As someone that joined my dream job a completely new organisation (a VERY well known and respected Science Org in Australia) right out of University I just turned myself into a sponge and had a notebook and tried to absorb as much as quick as possible. No after hours work everyone has a work life expectation of work and rest. My team manager is VERY strict on taking time off (as in TAKE TIME OFF don't overwork)
Been here just under 6 months now and everyone has been super impressed even got my temp contract extented well beyond what was discussed in my interview.
Just ask questions and even ask them again after the fact some systems are complicated to get first try as long as you be ENTHUSIASTIC. I've also found asking for MORE work if you feel you've caught on and can handle it ofc don't hesitate to ask for more tasks to at least learn.
You work for the organization that helped create WiFi right?
@@Icessassin no, close 😉
In Dutch we would say: "eerst zaaien dan oogsten" translates to: "first sow than harvest the crops"
If you put effort into something, that something will benefit you later. Like getting a raise, promotion or something like that. Adding / doing the extra step will be noticed!
Lmg isn't amazon, pretty sure they wouldn't stubbornly keep a project open at a huge loss. So it's gotta be doing pretty well right? 😎 glad to hear of floatplane's continued success!
Better to give 80% everyday than 130% for 2 months and then only able to give 30% for the next 4 months,
Lover?
@Sakshi gamingBOT
Hey sakshi, go stand on a plug..
Another issue is hoping to come across a boss that knows their staff, knows their capabilities and would like to see them rank up. In a lot of industries, the people that deserve a promotion and to get pushed up the ladder the most, dont get it while those that dont deserve it do as part of some internal drama (friend higher up in the ranks) or _'box ticking exercises'_ you know, the super controversial sort where people who arent qualified or have the right amount of experience or mental fortitude get bumped up the ladder because of their race or gender etc etc.
how is Luke not a founder at this point?
Unfortunately since he was always a hired employee he never will be. He could become a partner but a founder is only ever the person who started the company.
Nice to see them talk about past problems in a healthy way, wish people could solve theie peoblems like that
Currently struggling with burn-out. Got promoted in October last year. The burn-out since the promotion has come and gone in waves.
The James getting the textbook thing is pretty great and it gives him knowledge for things that he can put on his resume if he leaves LMG.
So you're telling me Luke was the assistant TO the regional manager in real life?
it's hard to be the boss or work under your friend because the nature of business is to survive in bad times and that means you need to fire people in a bad year. Sometimes the friend think he is the last person to be fired but that may not be true some other people could be more valuable for the business instead of him and they could take that in a bad way and ruin the friendship, these things needs to be talked beforehand at the beginning.
I had two people booted from my team. Both for different kinds of bad attitudes. One came back temporarily because he was humbled by the new team he was on. I gladly had him back and he became a valuable member. Screw the other guy, total pos.
Even with the complicated relationship with Linus, good on Slick. He made it far in life.
The first rule of leadership is learn how to follow.
If you have people with experience it's better to work closely with them so you can understand some of the challenges.
Great advice all around. Only thing I would add is to keep an eye/ear out for anyone who is overly negative, whether it's about the team or resources or the boss or whatever. They tend to grab on to new hires early, and if they're talking crap about other people, they're talking crap about you too.
One thing I'll say about Canadians is that they'll hold on to a friendship.
Anyone can keep a friendship regardless of nationality, it's about effort and care. None of my Canadian friends are still in my life but most my southern US friends are
So do the Americans
@@leoblack8497 bless you for saying so but considering the friends I've lost over stupid reasons like elections, I haven't been as confident recently.
@@billyhart3299 yup. Imagine voting for anything with a D on it. That said, I don’t hate those people, but they profess their hate for us CONSTANTLY lmao
@@paulcarmi8130 the actual sad part is that virtually every favor I had done or a moment of need I had fulfilled with them had just been permanently forgotten about over my decision of vote. For a lot of people on the left at the moment friendship is extremely conditional and the consequences for breaking those conditions, no matter how slight, can result in very spiteful and harmful reprisal. It's made me a much more closed off person the last few years and it took me a long time to get over the anger and try to be persuasive again.
It's even more frustrating that the principals and outcomes of our ethical decisions are much more similar than we might all expect if you zoom out far enough. But all the means to make it from principals to outcomes are so mismatched not only on what those middle principals and outcomes are, but also the determinations of what they lead to. It's a total communication breakdown and the only thing that will fix it is free speech and persuasive discourse without fear of reprisal.
god do i wish i lived in Vancouver. I would have applied for a job there just for the sheer knowledge and how much i could expand myself on my fav topics, all because you guys simply seem to have access to it all. My biggest downside is I'm not a writer nor do i have any editing skills... though I'm sure i could learn how to do things they have down there. Labs would probably be the dream though. Everything Videos cards and CPU's are my jam.
I’m sure Luke and Linus LOVE looking through these comments
Probably not "counter culture" about "putting in effort outside of work-hours" when it means say for example, reading up on how to do certain things and/or tasks regarding your employment and similar such, manuals and what-else similar. That is just "an effort to integrate your work with the employment more quickly", rather than what some calls "millenials" lazy for not wanting to do, which is, "unpaid overtime". Not working unpaid overtime is a valid argument seeing as "employment" means "paid for one's work-hours", or hours worked, not getting paid for your work is really just hours of your life you give an employer for them to benefit from. (unless you're getting a part of employer-company revenue and/or stonk-options, for then you are actually benefiting from adding in your work towards the company revenue/turnover)
More of a point to what Luke was saying about their inventory system and infrastructure projects: Every company should have at least one dev on staff. Doesn't matter if it's just a script kiddie or a 10-man team, there are _so many_ tasks that can be automated/improved with internal tools.
* That report the guy in accounting does every month that takes a week to manually compile? Walk the dev team through the process once and have an automated solution for next month's reports.
* Stupid proprietary thing needs to be integrated into another stupid proprietary thing? Let the devs poke around for a bit and they'll figure out how to pipe one into the other.
* IT needs to do nightly backups on XYZ server? Devs can throw a bash/python script together that automates the entire thing.
All of these things are projected I've been given that weren't part of my main development job. They were going to purchase multi thousand dollar solutions for every single one.
I'm down to do this if anyone is hiring 👀
Problem with this is as a dev if you go out of your way to do this most companies will never reward your actual value and just start to lean on you realllyyyy hard for not much in return. It definitely is great for expierience and ammunition to use with other employers though.
But you will become the person they think can bail them out of everything with some mystical tech solution they vastly misunderstand.
From a business standpoint it's a good idea though. I hear tech people talk about the most agregious inefficiencies that stem from flat out ignorance, that could be vastly improved. And bosses refuse to listen.
Apparently, alot of dev sit at their job feeling like they are wasting their time on stupid trinkets.
Was Linus going to say "Lover"?
Frankly, I've always appreciated the lofe advice sections more than anything else.
2:38 LMFAO Luke being a real Assistant Regional Manager there
the last thing was father, as he was on linus’ music subscription
10:52 I really like that, I haven't heard before. I'm definitely going to have to steal that for use going forward.
They’re just used to google where everything gets cancelled if it doesn’t become a household name.
So at one Point Linus OWNED Luke basically . .
"You work for me and you pay me so you can live here"
Fake it till you make it... That's normal in business world. Have confidence and fake it to make it.
1:18 his lover 😏
This episode is golden
Wholesome father/son bonding moment
I have watched LTT since before they moved into the content house and always felt that Linus would be hard to deal with as a boss. He "seems" like he just wants things his way even if it's not so much the best way. It's hard to work for people like them if you want to sometimes get your own way. What you end up doing is trying to convince the BOSS that your good idea is actually his so he is willing to give it a go which means when it works he takes all the credit and if it doesn't go so well it was your idea not there idea. Linus has CRUSHED the game and made a lot of people a lot of money but I am quite sure he can be a mean nasty boss on occasion. Being a boss is hard. You did well Luke and are every bit as responsible for LTT being what it is as Linus is he just invested more.
thanks for upgrading the mics! sounds great 👍
My question is, how does someone get promoted into a position they have no experience in? Like... the company should hire someone qualified. All I can say is for this person to do their best and learn as MUCH about the position they possibly can as quickly as as they can. Be flexible and humble in your approach.
Lovers?
i am breaking in my 3rd new "superior" at work.
because i did not want that position when it opened up for the first time.
And because the people i broke in and rebuilt are actually capable of
doing more than just filling the position as my superior.
„…one other thing” - sooo Luke and Linus confirmed as ex-roommates.