The statesman Lord Palmerston: "Only three people have ever really understood the Schleswig-Holstein business - the Prince Consort, who is dead - a German professor, who has gone mad - and I, who have forgotten all about it."
I learned this quote way back as an undergrad in German history and never forgot it. I use this quote very often when speaking about obscure topics! Thank you for using this favourite quote of mine here.
The Danish victory in 1848-49 became a great sense of national pride for Denmark. They called it "the spirit from 48", and there is a nationwide known marching song from back then called "Dengang jeg drog afsted" (That time I went forward) They forgot about the international help they got and became overwhelmed with nationalistic hybris. They tried to force Slesvig and Holstein into the national Danish kingdom again in 1864, which broke the treaty and started the war of 1864 against Prussia and Austria. Denmark thought they could win again like 1848. No other nations intervened, and Denmark got slaughtered. All of Southern Jutland got occupied and was only restored after WW1. The defeat was a nationwide national trauma for the Danes. It has affected how we modern Danes see ourselves and our country in the wide world. We modern Danes do not see ourselves as big romantic empires anymore, and we focus on bettering our state instead of expanding it. "Hvad udad tabes skal indad vindes" (What's lost outward shall be won inward) -Danish proverb.
@@arishokqunari1290 Austria came to help Prussia the second time, and the aggressor was also clearly Denmark, who broke a treaty and annexed Schleswig.
A large part of this territory became part of the modern Federal Republic of Germany after the Second World War. It was decided by a referendum, ending several centuries of armed grumpiness.
It's because it gets overshadowed by other events at the time, like the revolutions in 1848, the Mexican-American war at the same time + all the tension that leads to the civil war, the Irish Potato famine, and a few other things. Not to mention Bismarck would go on to make all of it irrelevant just a couple of decades later. 1848-1871 was an extremely busy period for world history so this little nothing-war gets overlooked.
@@Korschtal Well, the entire territory already became a part of Prussia after the Second Schleswig War in 1864. A referendum (well, plebiscite) after WW1 transferred the (primarily danish-inhabited) North Schleswig back to Denmark, and the borders have remained the same since (As far as I am aware, the border did not change after WW2)
Though it wasn't what was discussed in this video, it's so interesting to hear about the Schleswig-Holstein wars. One of my ancestors died by a grenade in the 1860's. The very last thing he ever did was write a poem to his family before dying in a hospital some days after
One of my own ancestors was a Danish war hero in the first war (the one discussed in this video), receiving the Order of the Dannebrog. ...Then he left Lutheranism for a dissenting faith and was 'encouraged' to move to America.
@@unclenogbad1509 yep prussia and austria invaded schleswig and holstein then prussia took schleswig from austria and kept both until schleswig later voted to rejoin denmark and holstein stayed with germany after WW1
@@acuothacuoth502You've made a mistake. Only the northern majority danish speaking part of the duchy of Schleswig joined Denmark after WW1. Most of the duchy of Schleswig is still part of Germany today. Schleswig-Holstein is a state of the federal republic of Germany
This was actually the first out of two "Schleswig wars" the second Schleswig war (1864), was between Denmark, Prussia and Austria, where Denmark lost. That war was a very important althoug small war as it was the start of the beginning of a German Empire and where Bismarck started to become influential in Prussia. There even is a danish movie about that war called 1864 - Brødre i krig (Brothers at war). the special thing about both wars, was that families and friends ended up splitting due to some joining the Danish side, and others the German side, so you could end up not only fighting your own countrymen but also your own family. The second war, was the bloodiest war in Denmarks history.
I was in Copenhagen few months ago and visited their war history museum. Most of their wars seem to be summarized as “we made a valiant effort. We had some wins. But in the end we lost”
Actually more historic wins than losses, but some significant and memorable losses: Siding with France in the Napoleonic wars, loss of Norway to Sweden/England, loss of Schleswig-Holstein to the German Empire, and occupation by Nazi Germany during WWII.
@@Memodown I will say on the topic of being occupied by the Nazis in WWII, considering they still managed to minimize the damage and saved nearly their entire Jewish population from Nazi hands, I would very much call WWII a win for Denmark despite what they went through.
@@ajs787 one can say that they had a successful resistance movement, but one cannot call surrendering two hours after invasion and being occupied for the duration of the war 'a win'.
Another great vid! Five suggestions from me, a Patreon supporter, if you’re looking for future video ideas: 1.) How close did the world come to nuclear war during the Cuban Missile Crisis? (aka Cuban Missile Crisis Explained) 2.) How has Spain held onto its lands in Africa? 3.) What was life like in China’s European concessions? 4.) How did Thailand remain independent? 5.) Why is the UN headquartered in New York City?
@@achour.falestine Nah, he hasn't done one on (2) or (4) yet. He has a video about how Spain missed out on the scramble for Africa, but not on how it managed to take and hang onto Ceuta and Melilla. He hasn't done any videos featuring Thailand at all. And afaik, he hasn't covered (3) either, but correct me if I'm wrong. Personally I think they are all good, though (3) is a little too broad.
@@EebstertheGreat he did a video about Thailand you can search it up You are right about the Spain but I think it's kinda similar so it would be boring As of 3 I meant it when I said "moved from that type of videos"
@@balabanasireti Not really. We inflicted greater losses on Prussia in 1864 and we lasted longer. Had it not been for those pesky breech loaders and a faulty strategy of not moving troops around, the outcome would have been a military stalemate. That might still have happened if we had relied on hit and run attacks like the 1st war of Slesvig.
In the danish town of Fredericia the victory is celebrated every year. Denmark won a great battle 6th July 1849 defending the town with big loses. Serveral streets etc. are named after the most important Danish generals. You can still walk on the historically ramparts surrounding the town :)
It’s an interesting subject, but the video misses several times: 1. Schleswig and Hostein would not automatically be lost when the King died, and it did in fact not happen when he died i 1863. The two duchies also had different rules about the matter. 2. The Schleswig-Holstein rebels didn’t rebel because they thought the King had been overthrown - that was just the best political stance they could take. Rather, they were afraid that political developments in Copenhagen ment the Danish-national political movement would gain the power to tie Schleswig tighter to Denmark. 3. Schleswig and Holstein were not one uniform entity. While Holstein was a German duchy with a German population, Schleswig was a Danish duchy with a mixed German-Danish population, with a slight Danish majority (going by language - in reality many Schleswigers didn’t really define themselves by a national identity simply based on their language). The German-nationalist movement was therefore pretty representative of Holstein, but not of the whole of Schleswig, where the Danish-national movement pulled in the other direction, and created the central conflict in the matter. 4. The reason Denmark wanted to keep Schleswig and Holstein wasn’t because they were rich, but because of all the ties - historical, social, political, economical, you name it - that ties parts of a country or empire together. You wouldn’t say that Spain today don’t want Catalonian independence just because of money, or that Great Britain don’t want Scottish independence because of money. It’s a gross simplification. I’ll stop here. Sorry for the long post.
He also totally left out the involvement of the revolutionary German Empire, which was the actual entity that went to war (I believe). I remember reading on wikipedia something like the commander refused to return on Prussia's commands because he said that his commands come from German Empire's goverment, not from Prussia.
This video in very wrong in many ways. Prussia also took part in the 1849 campaign, and they were outthought and outfought by Olaf Rye, who made them overextend the German lines. Prussia and Denmark did not make peace till 1850. I think this video is based on the English Wikipedia article on the war, because that article is full of errors (and has almost no references), and this video makes a lot of the same errors as that article.
@@gustav331 you know what, thanks to hbomberguy video about plagiarism, I kinda suspect this channel content too. This channel does not even cite sources or even put source in description.
@@gustav331yeah sometimes you wonder with this guy. He seems like one of the better history tubers (God knows most of them are literal shit) but wikipedia is your source for your college essay not something you're publishing. Yet he comes to many of the same conclusions that you'd see on a half baked wikipedia article
@@user-gp5yz5yz4x @gustav331 Well, normally both History Matters and Wikipedia seem pretty accurate (if a major subject clearly has errors in Wikipedia, a lot of editors tend to descend on it and correct it, especially as solid references are demanded). Maybe this article has had less scrutiny from people with a particular interest or knowledge on it.
Wow I guess I as a Dane, have been too focussed on the war in 1864. It turns out one of my ancestors was from a small village called Sieseby, between Flensburg and Kiel in Schleswig-Holstein. He became a dragoon in the Danish Prince Ferdinand's Dragoon regiment in Aarhus (present day Denmark). Since he was born in 1815, that would have made him around 33 years at the time of the war in 1848... and of the right age to take part in the war. I have to look into this =)
I was about to say that I would find it more surprising that it was Prussia that Denmark “defeated” over other great powers because of how exemplary their military was. But yeah when the other great powers will smack you over every which way possible you kinda have no choice but to back down
Prussia was as militarised as it was because it was surrounded on all sides by great powers, but avoiding the nightmare scenario of fighting multiple great powers at once drove its diplomacy.
Thats an often overlooked part of european history. Glad you made the video. There actually is a small memorial in my town in southern Holstein for the 7 people from the area, that died during this uprising.
The ironic thing about the conflict was the chairman of the German Confederation, who allowed Schleswig to become a member was actually an Austrian Habsburg. The troops of Prussia were then formally federalized. There is even a record of a Prussian general at first refusing an order from its king, because he was then under the authority of the German Confederation, not its member state Prussia anymore.
Here are two suggestions I want you to do next: 1) how did the world react when Napoleon III gained power in 1852? (The video that you uploaded earlier, abruptly cut and then taken down for some reason), 2) why the USA didn’t get involved in the French Revolutionary & the Napoleonic Wars?
@@timesnewlogan2032 the War of 1812 was a completely separate conflict from the Napoleonic Wars. Also, the USA had no real plans of annexing Canadian territories; occupied Canadian lands were merely going to be used as a bargaining chip against Britain to get them to stop impressment.
I have just realized a critical issue with the map History Matters uses: Flevoland exists. The flevoland project wasn't started until 1957. It seems to be on the peak netherlands mug too. Not much of the european map has changed of the last couple hundred years, but flevoland is a pretty noticeable addition and it is funny that even I didn't notice this before.
@genovayork2468 I don't lack history knowledge considering it has nothing to do with history. Because it's about a map, not about history. Since it's quite a big mistake, and since it is pretty much one of the only noticeable differences, it can be deemed fairly critical since it is a misrepresentation of a country.
You miss the fact, that the duchy of Holstein was a "land" in the German Empire, whereas Slesvig is a duchy within the Kingdom of Denmark. For long, the person who was king of Denmark had also been duke of Slesvig (under himself) and duke of Holstein (under the German emperor). Due to different herritage rules, a new king could not inherit the two dukedoms. Holstein would remain part of Germany, probably with a German-German duke, and Slesvig would stille be part of Denmark.
“Oblique attack tactics ain't exactly straight! I've got creative talents and battle malice, hard as steel on the field, genteel in the palace!” Frederick the Great
*VIDEO SUGGESTION:* Considering the fact that Spain's American colonies began revolting in order to gain independence during The Napoleonic Wars because Napoleon had invaded Spain, why didn't they stop rebelling once Napoleon was defeated?
Then Bismarck came. Basically, the architect of Germany, he later planned the more successful war against Denmark as a way of training his army, then, the expedition to Austria to cement Prussia as the true princeps of the German states, and then finally, against the country he determined as an enemy to unite all Germans around, France. Then, Wilhelm the 2nd thought he would do a better job with his own policy 😅
@@mso2013Denmark was kicking ass without defeat for quite a while. It's only after the Stockholm Bloodbath and the overboiling feud with Sweden that things start sucking.
@@SophiaAstatine i was more refering to how unlike savoy or poland. When they lose wars they dont get removed from the map. It is more like a gem being chipped away at.
“It’s weird that you even brought it up.” 🤣 It’s the lil cheeky remarks like that combined w my obsession w historical information that has me always looking forward to anything HM posts, regardless of the particular topic.
And that was that and this sealed this issue forever in perpetuity. And was definitely never revisited again a decade later with a very different result.
Who would bring up Napoleon III wanting to be something more than president? as the nephew of the Napoleon, I expect nothing but great and honorable things from him.
OK, nitpicking here: the map at 2:25 is incomplete. From the Treaty of London (1839) until the Treaty of London (1867), the current Dutch province of Limburg was a duchy, with the Dutch King as the duke. This duchy was a member of the German Confederation. Also, in Holstein, the "ei" is pronounced as "aye", not "ee", although it could be that this is the way it is customarily pronounced in English.
Hey. This is such a ini mini minus Error. But if check out the netherlands on the map you can see that it includes the province of Flevoland the land didnt exist at that time and was only reclaimed from the sea in the mid half of the 20st Century. Maybe possible if you can correct it in future video's? Big fan. Keep up the good work!! ❤
Unrelated to the video, but the mug in you sell could use an improvement. For the mug 'peak netherlands' you are showing the Zuiderzee Works, but those lands were reclaimed much later
From watching your video I would have thought the Danes got beat every time and had no chance. But they actually won quite a few battles throughout the war, despite fighting multiple German nations. In fact, the last battle of the war was a Danish victory.
I think your title must be wrong as it implies that this conflict ended in 1848. I grew up in Fredericia, which was the site of a pretty significant battle on the 6th of july 1849, and im pretty sure fighting continued into 1850.
Everyone interested in this needs to read Flashman novel #2, Royal Flash, which is a wonderful Prisoner of Zenda pastiche that's set in this crazy diplomatic scheme that no one really understands!
Ppl also wrongly assume that Prussia was a military powerhouse throughout its entire existence. It wasn't. It went pretty downhill with the Prussian military after the 18th century and they didn't pick up until the 1860s. Prussian army of 1848 was nothing special...
Well, Battle of Isted July 25th 1850, was the greatest battle in Danish history, around 40.000 danish soldiers fought 34.000 of the Schleswig Holstein army, and defeated them in a decisive battle.
The boundaries of the duchy of Slesvig is wrong. Those are post-1864 borders and not the pre-1864 borders. The border was changed to compensate for royal possesions in the duchies, which is why Ribe remained in the kingdom of Denmark after 1864 and why the border went rather south of Kolding.
Great video. Weird how things turned out there. As the UK is likely to have a general election next year, would you consider doing a video explaining British parliamentary history, such as what Parliament was like before the 1832 Great Reform Act?
After WW2 all Allied nations where trying to shove all that territory down Denmark throat, even going so far as suggesting Denmark getting territory surrounding Berlin. But as Denmark is actually considerate and good neighbors! They didn't accept, as it wouldn't be fair for the locals.
Speaking as a Dane, the Prussians sure did get back at us in 1864. The Danish defeat then and subsequent giving up of ambitions to be a major power was like the defining moment for our national identity
Fun fact: The Denmark war was also a preparation war for prussia to test their new combat strategies and weapons. It would have been a nice to have victory but in the end the main goal was testing their strengths in a safe environment for later "plans".
I am personaly Danish. In 1864 Denmark got into war again. The war was called Slaget ved Dybbøl. 1864 we lost to Prussia. And we lost all of Southern Jylland. But in the early 20 century we got it back. (Almost everything)
Please do a video on the Schleswig war in 1864! Perhaps a 10 minute video on the Schleswig-Holstein problem. It’s such an interesting historical issue that still has ramifications today.
This lines up perfectly with how we surrendered after an hour of war in WW2 and that some troops kept fighting because they didn't get the order due to a delay.
Hallo from Denmark . Yes and in 15 years later preussia got its revenge. When They defeated Denmark in the 1864 war beat the living daylights out of us danish . Bismark has became primeminister in Preussia and wanted a united germany under Preussian leader ship . And Slesvig-Holstein was perfect in his agenda. Denmark lost Slesvig and holstein . But Northern Slesvig became danish again in 1920 after germany was defeated in world war one . A referendum was held . Northern Slesvig voted danish and southern Slesvig voted to remain german . So the current danish-german border was result af of the 1920 referendum
Aaaaaaah yes, and then we danes basked in the glory of our great victorious war, created idyllic paintings of our soldiers marching, made songs about how great and proud our army was and how the germans could never deafeat us. People actually began to believe it, until 1864 that is...
The statesman Lord Palmerston: "Only three people have ever really understood the Schleswig-Holstein business - the Prince Consort, who is dead - a German professor, who has gone mad - and I, who have forgotten all about it."
I say britains greatest prime minister was Lord Palmerston
@makutas-v261 100% madhouse material.
I learned this quote way back as an undergrad in German history and never forgot it. I use this quote very often when speaking about obscure topics! Thank you for using this favourite quote of mine here.
Pitt the Elder!@@JanJansen985
Pitt The Elder was better.
The Danish victory in 1848-49 became a great sense of national pride for Denmark. They called it "the spirit from 48", and there is a nationwide known marching song from back then called "Dengang jeg drog afsted" (That time I went forward) They forgot about the international help they got and became overwhelmed with nationalistic hybris. They tried to force Slesvig and Holstein into the national Danish kingdom again in 1864, which broke the treaty and started the war of 1864 against Prussia and Austria. Denmark thought they could win again like 1848. No other nations intervened, and Denmark got slaughtered. All of Southern Jutland got occupied and was only restored after WW1. The defeat was a nationwide national trauma for the Danes. It has affected how we modern Danes see ourselves and our country in the wide world. We modern Danes do not see ourselves as big romantic empires anymore, and we focus on bettering our state instead of expanding it. "Hvad udad tabes skal indad vindes" (What's lost outward shall be won inward) -Danish proverb.
Why did the international power not aid Denmark in the second war like they did during the first war?
@@arishokqunari1290 he literally says so: Denmark broke the treaty.
@@arishokqunari1290 Austria came to help Prussia the second time, and the aggressor was also clearly Denmark, who broke a treaty and annexed Schleswig.
Dude this is legendary history
That’s a great proverb. This is a great comment.
More than a "Denmark defeated Prussia" it feels more "Prussia didn't win a war where Denmark happened to be on the opposing side".
That is what it means to win a war though. Be on the opposing side of the side that failed to win.
Kinda like the US revolutionary war. British Empire and France going at it
"Prussia didn't Lose. It merely failed to win".
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I didn't even know this was a thing. Your content on unusual questions and answers really never fails to impress.
And in 1864 Prussia took it over anyways lol
A large part of this territory became part of the modern Federal Republic of Germany after the Second World War. It was decided by a referendum, ending several centuries of armed grumpiness.
It's because it gets overshadowed by other events at the time, like the revolutions in 1848, the Mexican-American war at the same time + all the tension that leads to the civil war, the Irish Potato famine, and a few other things. Not to mention Bismarck would go on to make all of it irrelevant just a couple of decades later. 1848-1871 was an extremely busy period for world history so this little nothing-war gets overlooked.
@@Korschtal Well, the entire territory already became a part of Prussia after the Second Schleswig War in 1864. A referendum (well, plebiscite) after WW1 transferred the (primarily danish-inhabited) North Schleswig back to Denmark, and the borders have remained the same since (As far as I am aware, the border did not change after WW2)
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Though it wasn't what was discussed in this video, it's so interesting to hear about the Schleswig-Holstein wars. One of my ancestors died by a grenade in the 1860's. The very last thing he ever did was write a poem to his family before dying in a hospital some days after
I thank him for his service. Thank you also for sharing that. That's a great legacy.
There were Grenades back then???
@@hwgwrestling9203yes?? Even earlier actually. Nowhere as similar to the ones we all know though.
One of my own ancestors was a Danish war hero in the first war (the one discussed in this video), receiving the Order of the Dannebrog.
...Then he left Lutheranism for a dissenting faith and was 'encouraged' to move to America.
Which Side did He fight on?
I loved your German volunteer with a different label on his helmet. Brilliant.
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I am danish and we learned about the schleswig wars in history class. Interesting to see you cover the first schleswig war.
Damm you are lucky, i never got that in school
Ummm... First??
@@unclenogbad1509 yep prussia and austria invaded schleswig and holstein then prussia took schleswig from austria and kept both until schleswig later voted to rejoin denmark and holstein stayed with germany after WW1
@@acuothacuoth502You've made a mistake. Only the northern majority danish speaking part of the duchy of Schleswig joined Denmark after WW1. Most of the duchy of Schleswig is still part of Germany today. Schleswig-Holstein is a state of the federal republic of Germany
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That Louis Napoleon bit never gets old
Thanks!
Never knew about that conflict, thank you for making this video!
This was actually the first out of two "Schleswig wars" the second Schleswig war (1864), was between Denmark, Prussia and Austria, where Denmark lost. That war was a very important althoug small war as it was the start of the beginning of a German Empire and where Bismarck started to become influential in Prussia.
There even is a danish movie about that war called 1864 - Brødre i krig (Brothers at war).
the special thing about both wars, was that families and friends ended up splitting due to some joining the Danish side, and others the German side, so you could end up not only fighting your own countrymen but also your own family.
The second war, was the bloodiest war in Denmarks history.
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@@jejehatesme31 no way!
@@kristianjohansen5561 Very interesting, thank you for letting me know. I should make an alternate history on that, sounds really interesting
Hello there
3:20 For about 20 or so years before losing them again.
Denmark got about half of the territory back in 1920 in a local referendum
Good to know that this part of history that's so obscure is finally given the spotlight
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My great great grandfather served in this war, and I'm so psyched to see the best history TH-camrs finally getting into it.
I was sad rn, but seeing that vid is uploaded cheered me a bit. Thanks
I was in Copenhagen few months ago and visited their war history museum. Most of their wars seem to be summarized as “we made a valiant effort. We had some wins. But in the end we lost”
Actually more historic wins than losses, but some significant and memorable losses: Siding with France in the Napoleonic wars, loss of Norway to Sweden/England, loss of Schleswig-Holstein to the German Empire, and occupation by Nazi Germany during WWII.
They didn’t lose that one
@makutas-v261 denmark wasnt a real thing for most the middle ages
@@Memodown I will say on the topic of being occupied by the Nazis in WWII, considering they still managed to minimize the damage and saved nearly their entire Jewish population from Nazi hands, I would very much call WWII a win for Denmark despite what they went through.
@@ajs787 one can say that they had a successful resistance movement, but one cannot call surrendering two hours after invasion and being occupied for the duration of the war 'a win'.
Keep up the good work 😊
Another great vid! Five suggestions from me, a Patreon supporter, if you’re looking for future video ideas:
1.) How close did the world come to nuclear war during the Cuban Missile Crisis? (aka Cuban Missile Crisis Explained)
2.) How has Spain held onto its lands in Africa?
3.) What was life like in China’s European concessions?
4.) How did Thailand remain independent?
5.) Why is the UN headquartered in New York City?
i think he covered the thailand question before that its too much tension between french and british colonies so they kept it as a buffer state
@@verycool1833 Nice profile pic
He already did 2 of them and the rest I think he's moving away from
I see the best candidates are 1 and 5
@@achour.falestine Nah, he hasn't done one on (2) or (4) yet. He has a video about how Spain missed out on the scramble for Africa, but not on how it managed to take and hang onto Ceuta and Melilla. He hasn't done any videos featuring Thailand at all. And afaik, he hasn't covered (3) either, but correct me if I'm wrong. Personally I think they are all good, though (3) is a little too broad.
@@EebstertheGreat he did a video about Thailand you can search it up
You are right about the Spain but I think it's kinda similar so it would be boring
As of 3 I meant it when I said "moved from that type of videos"
I find this channel to be accurate, informative with a dry sense of humour. I love it. Thank you so much.
2:42 this is why I'm addicted to this channel, caught the wind outta me.
1848:
Denmark: "You shall not *pass!!!"*
1864:
Prussia: "Guess who's back?"
Still did better than Austria in 1866
Is that a question?
@@kristianpoulherkild3401That depends
@@balabanasiretitell me who unified germany, prussia or austria. Exactly.
@@balabanasireti Not really. We inflicted greater losses on Prussia in 1864 and we lasted longer. Had it not been for those pesky breech loaders and a faulty strategy of not moving troops around, the outcome would have been a military stalemate. That might still have happened if we had relied on hit and run attacks like the 1st war of Slesvig.
Danke!
Love this channel. Thanks for the new content!
In the danish town of Fredericia the victory is celebrated every year. Denmark won a great battle 6th July 1849 defending the town with big loses. Serveral streets etc. are named after the most important Danish generals. You can still walk on the historically ramparts surrounding the town :)
Another amazing video
It’s an interesting subject, but the video misses several times: 1. Schleswig and Hostein would not automatically be lost when the King died, and it did in fact not happen when he died i 1863. The two duchies also had different rules about the matter. 2. The Schleswig-Holstein rebels didn’t rebel because they thought the King had been overthrown - that was just the best political stance they could take. Rather, they were afraid that political developments in Copenhagen ment the Danish-national political movement would gain the power to tie Schleswig tighter to Denmark. 3. Schleswig and Holstein were not one uniform entity. While Holstein was a German duchy with a German population, Schleswig was a Danish duchy with a mixed German-Danish population, with a slight Danish majority (going by language - in reality many Schleswigers didn’t really define themselves by a national identity simply based on their language). The German-nationalist movement was therefore pretty representative of Holstein, but not of the whole of Schleswig, where the Danish-national movement pulled in the other direction, and created the central conflict in the matter. 4. The reason Denmark wanted to keep Schleswig and Holstein wasn’t because they were rich, but because of all the ties - historical, social, political, economical, you name it - that ties parts of a country or empire together. You wouldn’t say that Spain today don’t want Catalonian independence just because of money, or that Great Britain don’t want Scottish independence because of money. It’s a gross simplification. I’ll stop here. Sorry for the long post.
He also totally left out the involvement of the revolutionary German Empire, which was the actual entity that went to war (I believe). I remember reading on wikipedia something like the commander refused to return on Prussia's commands because he said that his commands come from German Empire's goverment, not from Prussia.
This video in very wrong in many ways. Prussia also took part in the 1849 campaign, and they were outthought and outfought by Olaf Rye, who made them overextend the German lines. Prussia and Denmark did not make peace till 1850.
I think this video is based on the English Wikipedia article on the war, because that article is full of errors (and has almost no references), and this video makes a lot of the same errors as that article.
@@gustav331 you know what, thanks to hbomberguy video about plagiarism, I kinda suspect this channel content too. This channel does not even cite sources or even put source in description.
@@gustav331yeah sometimes you wonder with this guy. He seems like one of the better history tubers (God knows most of them are literal shit) but wikipedia is your source for your college essay not something you're publishing. Yet he comes to many of the same conclusions that you'd see on a half baked wikipedia article
@@user-gp5yz5yz4x @gustav331 Well, normally both History Matters and Wikipedia seem pretty accurate (if a major subject clearly has errors in Wikipedia, a lot of editors tend to descend on it and correct it, especially as solid references are demanded). Maybe this article has had less scrutiny from people with a particular interest or knowledge on it.
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So many things happened in 1848, this kinda fell through the cracks
Great content as always.
Because James Bissonnette was commanding the Danish army
Knew it. Had to be
He even paid for the army expenses
So funny OMG the 500th billion comment to make such a garbage copypasta omg guys pls give me likes I made a channel joke omg
@@royale7620James Bissonette pays bots to make you cry.
He was funded by Kelly Moneymaker.
Great video 👍🏻
hi bro i like your short video keep uploading and feed me more history
Wow I guess I as a Dane, have been too focussed on the war in 1864. It turns out one of my ancestors was from a small village called Sieseby, between Flensburg and Kiel in Schleswig-Holstein. He became a dragoon in the Danish Prince Ferdinand's Dragoon regiment in Aarhus (present day Denmark). Since he was born in 1815, that would have made him around 33 years at the time of the war in 1848... and of the right age to take part in the war. I have to look into this =)
Perhaps he fought in Rytterfægtningen på Aarhus Mark, a Danish victory in a small battle just about where Aarhus University is today
A small warning, this video is full of rather major mistakes. But fun, and well made.
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I was about to say that I would find it more surprising that it was Prussia that Denmark “defeated” over other great powers because of how exemplary their military was. But yeah when the other great powers will smack you over every which way possible you kinda have no choice but to back down
see also: Suez
Why would a prussian defeat surprise you? Sweden defeated them?
Prussia was as militarised as it was because it was surrounded on all sides by great powers, but avoiding the nightmare scenario of fighting multiple great powers at once drove its diplomacy.
Thats an often overlooked part of european history. Glad you made the video. There actually is a small memorial in my town in southern Holstein for the 7 people from the area, that died during this uprising.
i'm very happy to hear that Charles the First is the last one mentioned. i literally listen to hear it
The ironic thing about the conflict was the chairman of the German Confederation, who allowed Schleswig to become a member was actually an Austrian Habsburg. The troops of Prussia were then formally federalized. There is even a record of a Prussian general at first refusing an order from its king, because he was then under the authority of the German Confederation, not its member state Prussia anymore.
Here are two suggestions I want you to do next: 1) how did the world react when Napoleon III gained power in 1852? (The video that you uploaded earlier, abruptly cut and then taken down for some reason), 2) why the USA didn’t get involved in the French Revolutionary & the Napoleonic Wars?
1. “Oh great, this again.”
2. They did, in an attempt to seize Canada. It didn’t go well.
@@timesnewlogan2032 Thank you, but I wanted History Matters to upload the videos.
@@timesnewlogan2032 the War of 1812 was a completely separate conflict from the Napoleonic Wars. Also, the USA had no real plans of annexing Canadian territories; occupied Canadian lands were merely going to be used as a bargaining chip against Britain to get them to stop impressment.
@@MrMah-zf6jk
Separate conflicts but the impressment of sailors was directly caused by the Napoleonic Wars
History Matters did actually have a video on that first question, but he either deleted or privated it for some reason.
0:14 denmark definetly had the size advantage on prussia, they owned greenland and lceland
Don't forget the extremely important islands of the Faroe Islands and Danish West Indies :)
@@fastertove indeed
Size peobably refers to population and economic base as opposed to just physical size.
The Danish Seal Team of that age is a little different.
Cool. Very interesting video
They wanted to keep fighting, but James Bisonette helped pressure them to put down their weapons
And Kelly Moneymaker agreed
and boogily woogily whatever the fuck also took part @@ecurewitz
Man these jokes about James Bisonette are so lame
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And this is why I love this channel.
I have just realized a critical issue with the map History Matters uses: Flevoland exists. The flevoland project wasn't started until 1957. It seems to be on the peak netherlands mug too. Not much of the european map has changed of the last couple hundred years, but flevoland is a pretty noticeable addition and it is funny that even I didn't notice this before.
You really lack history knowledge if this is the " *critical* " issue you find in their maps.
@genovayork2468 I don't lack history knowledge considering it has nothing to do with history. Because it's about a map, not about history. Since it's quite a big mistake, and since it is pretty much one of the only noticeable differences, it can be deemed fairly critical since it is a misrepresentation of a country.
By Lucifer's beard, you're right!
Why insult their knowledge? They pointed out a critical issue, they didn’t say there are never any other inaccuracies.
@@ferrusvilkas8544 You lack it because the truly critical inaccuracies are horrendous historical ones, not this coast problem.
always good when History matters uploads
Isn’t it though!
You miss the fact, that the duchy of Holstein was a "land" in the German Empire, whereas Slesvig is a duchy within the Kingdom of Denmark. For long, the person who was king of Denmark had also been duke of Slesvig (under himself) and duke of Holstein (under the German emperor).
Due to different herritage rules, a new king could not inherit the two dukedoms. Holstein would remain part of Germany, probably with a German-German duke, and Slesvig would stille be part of Denmark.
“Oblique attack tactics ain't exactly straight!
I've got creative talents and battle malice, hard as steel on the field, genteel in the palace!” Frederick the Great
@UnJefeDelDesierto”I’d pay a guy! To tear out my eyes if I had to look at your troll face every night!”
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This Frederick rap is pretty good.
Great video
Yay new video
A short comment for the algorithm.
As always fantastic work.
*VIDEO SUGGESTION:*
Considering the fact that Spain's American colonies began revolting in order to gain independence during The Napoleonic Wars because Napoleon had invaded Spain, why didn't they stop rebelling once Napoleon was defeated?
I've been wondering about this
They were committed to the bit of having Independence; they can't just stop.
i don't remember exactly but i think one of the reason was due to Fernando VII revoking the constitution of 1812, among other things
They were already in the 7th step when Napoleon was defeated, why not cross 3 more steps in order to gain independence?
Something something freedom something.
Dude you rock and/or roll.
Then Bismarck came. Basically, the architect of Germany, he later planned the more successful war against Denmark as a way of training his army, then, the expedition to Austria to cement Prussia as the true princeps of the German states, and then finally, against the country he determined as an enemy to unite all Germans around, France. Then, Wilhelm the 2nd thought he would do a better job with his own policy 😅
Bismarck was one of a kind. Sad to see later that Wilhelm the 2nd and hitler would destroy much of his "work".
I'm going to have to watch this one about a half dozen times so it all can sink in.
Can you do a video how the American colonies interacted with Cromwell's government 🥺
I would be super interested in this
Iirc he briefly mentioned in another video that they usually sided with the royals, ironically enough
@@saalok what did they do once the royals were completely out of power? Did they host a government in exile? Pay taxes?
This
Fascinating!
This guy never fails to become our teacher
I always wondered this. Especially considering how badly they lost the second one. Thanks!
Denmark really got that main character plot armor for a second
They have had it for 1200 years. They only get defeats, they never colaps.
@@mso2013Denmark was kicking ass without defeat for quite a while. It's only after the Stockholm Bloodbath and the overboiling feud with Sweden that things start sucking.
@@SophiaAstatine i was more refering to how unlike savoy or poland. When they lose wars they dont get removed from the map. It is more like a gem being chipped away at.
@@mso2013 I mean, you're not wrong. Denmark has never stopped existing since it started.
@@mso2013because you can’t really take all of Denmark because of the fleet it’s hard for a country to completely get a high war score on Denmark
2:49 Love the "this was a bit of a no-no" joke.
“It’s weird that you even brought it up.” 🤣 It’s the lil cheeky remarks like that combined w my obsession w historical information that has me always looking forward to anything HM posts, regardless of the particular topic.
You know it's a good day if History Matters posts
It is also worth noting that the greatest battle (in terms of troops involved) in Danish history was fought in 1850
If we go 100% from confirmed historical knowledge if we take Saxos stories then no
Very interesting!
Why didn’t the Minnesota twin cities ever merge?
And that was that and this sealed this issue forever in perpetuity. And was definitely never revisited again a decade later with a very different result.
Who would bring up Napoleon III wanting to be something more than president? as the nephew of the Napoleon, I expect nothing but great and honorable things from him.
OK, nitpicking here: the map at 2:25 is incomplete. From the Treaty of London (1839) until the Treaty of London (1867), the current Dutch province of Limburg was a duchy, with the Dutch King as the duke. This duchy was a member of the German Confederation.
Also, in Holstein, the "ei" is pronounced as "aye", not "ee", although it could be that this is the way it is customarily pronounced in English.
I think it's mostly pronounced Holl stine too.
Sometimes Holl sten.
Never Holl steen as far as I know.
Hey. This is such a ini mini minus Error. But if check out the netherlands on the map you can see that it includes the province of Flevoland the land didnt exist at that time and was only reclaimed from the sea in the mid half of the 20st Century. Maybe possible if you can correct it in future video's? Big fan. Keep up the good work!! ❤
Today was already a weird day, but you know it's a really weird day when History Matters asks the question "how" instead of "why"
Napoleon iii: “I love Democracy, I love the republic.”
"It's weird that we even brought it up"
Beautiful.
A question I have never asked myself, hell something I don't think I ever once thought about, but now something I MUST find out
History Matters in a nutshell
Never saw this one before...
Unrelated to the video, but the mug in you sell could use an improvement. For the mug 'peak netherlands' you are showing the Zuiderzee Works, but those lands were reclaimed much later
From watching your video I would have thought the Danes got beat every time and had no chance. But they actually won quite a few battles throughout the war, despite fighting multiple German nations. In fact, the last battle of the war was a Danish victory.
thats legit crazy, also helps to explain alot geohistorically (for lack of a better term)
Denmark is the kinda guy to walk into a bar. Look at the biggest guy there and say "your not so tough"
Didn't work so well the next time around (1864) :)
@@fastertove
You win some.
You lose some.
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Feels so weird hearing a question other than "Why?"
all these problems cause king abel, just had to seperate slesvig, from the kingdom of Denmark in the middle ages.
Just for election meddling.
I think your title must be wrong as it implies that this conflict ended in 1848. I grew up in Fredericia, which was the site of a pretty significant battle on the 6th of july 1849, and im pretty sure fighting continued into 1850.
Everyone interested in this needs to read Flashman novel #2, Royal Flash, which is a wonderful Prisoner of Zenda pastiche that's set in this crazy diplomatic scheme that no one really understands!
3:00 the french flag goes from blue to red. Other that it's an amazing video as usual !
I think that was meant to be the flag of The Province of Schleswig-Holstein. Which is weird because it didn't exist at the time.
I was wondering if it could be something else. Thanks for your answer.@@arnold3768
Ppl also wrongly assume that Prussia was a military powerhouse throughout its entire existence. It wasn't. It went pretty downhill with the Prussian military after the 18th century and they didn't pick up until the 1860s. Prussian army of 1848 was nothing special...
It was effective in putting down The Reds, though I guess that was playing on easy mode.
Well, Battle of Isted July 25th 1850, was the greatest battle in Danish history, around 40.000 danish soldiers fought 34.000 of the Schleswig Holstein army, and defeated them in a decisive battle.
The boundaries of the duchy of Slesvig is wrong. Those are post-1864 borders and not the pre-1864 borders. The border was changed to compensate for royal possesions in the duchies, which is why Ribe remained in the kingdom of Denmark after 1864 and why the border went rather south of Kolding.
Interesting.
German nationalists won't have been pleased about giving up part of Schleswig.
@@alanpennieslelsvig which down alll the way to Holstein primarily was danish
Great video. Weird how things turned out there.
As the UK is likely to have a general election next year, would you consider doing a video explaining British parliamentary history, such as what Parliament was like before the 1832 Great Reform Act?
Thank god Denmark then held onto those lands forever and ever and never lost any to Germany/Prussia in a future war
Yaeh... about that...
😂😂😂 ..... those German bastards!
After WW2 all Allied nations where trying to shove all that territory down Denmark throat, even going so far as suggesting Denmark getting territory surrounding Berlin. But as Denmark is actually considerate and good neighbors! They didn't accept, as it wouldn't be fair for the locals.
I appreciate your attention to accurate maps (eg Bornholm etc)
😂🤣🤣
Speaking as a Dane, the Prussians sure did get back at us in 1864. The Danish defeat then and subsequent giving up of ambitions to be a major power was like the defining moment for our national identity
Those Prussians always like to have two go's at anything military.
You are still the second largest European country because of Greenland.
So, you got that going to you.
I'm just glad they settled the issue and it will NEVER COME UP AGAIN!
Fun fact: The Denmark war was also a preparation war for prussia to test their new combat strategies and weapons. It would have been a nice to have victory but in the end the main goal was testing their strengths in a safe environment for later "plans".
You are mixing it up with the 1864 war. You are thinking of when prussia got austrian cannons and back loader muskets.
I like that "How?" in the premise was so much more exasperated. Like, "Literally HOW do you let that happen?!"
So basically Denmark got incredibly lucky
Another European country was saved yet again by Britain, yet they still treat us with disdain and like we're their enemies.
Lucky, yes, but also smart negotiators.
Until Schleswig War 2: Electric Boogaloo.
I am personaly Danish. In 1864 Denmark got into war again. The war was called Slaget ved Dybbøl.
1864 we lost to Prussia. And we lost all of Southern Jylland. But in the early 20 century we got it back. (Almost everything)
Please do a video on the Schleswig war in 1864! Perhaps a 10 minute video on the Schleswig-Holstein problem. It’s such an interesting historical issue that still has ramifications today.
Yes, and please connect it back to the Napoleonic Era (has a huge impact on the Danish mentality and military strength at the time).
This lines up perfectly with how we surrendered after an hour of war in WW2 and that some troops kept fighting because they didn't get the order due to a delay.
Hallo from Denmark . Yes and in 15 years later preussia got its revenge. When They defeated Denmark in the 1864 war beat the living daylights out of us danish . Bismark has became primeminister in Preussia and wanted a united germany under Preussian leader ship . And Slesvig-Holstein was perfect in his agenda. Denmark lost Slesvig and holstein . But Northern Slesvig became danish again in 1920 after germany was defeated in world war one . A referendum was held . Northern Slesvig voted danish and southern Slesvig voted to remain german . So the current danish-german border was result af of the 1920 referendum
As anyone who has ever played a Paradox game knows, you don't start s*** until the great powers are too busy to stop you.
wtf i love denmark now?!!?!?!
Explain baarle-hertog and baarle-naasau next or just the weird borders of Belgium!
The history of "French guiana" or how they got it in the first place would be nice :)
Aaaaaaah yes, and then we danes basked in the glory of our great victorious war, created idyllic paintings of our soldiers marching, made songs about how great and proud our army was and how the germans could never deafeat us. People actually began to believe it, until 1864 that is...