Perhaps they fought in Vanaheim because Thor killed their mother. And because of Faye, she was rage. Or Faye used to live in Vanaheim and there she met Freya.
I have a theory that whatever giants are left will be mad at loki for not using the mask. For all we know Odin was still gonna die if loki used it or not, and the giants will be more mad at him for not using it then being grateful Odin is dead.
@@KaptainKuba potentially, mostly I think the giants knew about the mask it was always the plan for loki to be the one to put it on. And just like his mother loki went against the giants wishes,and maybe the giants that are still alive will be mad at loki for not putting it on.for whatever reason
@@chaosgamer016_5 theory: The Mask is an Interfere from the Astral/Heavenly Plane to destroy Asgard (like they did with Greece) and probably will try with other Pantheons too
2:59-3:05 Mimir stated in God of War (2018), that Thor wasn't stupid enough to fight Starkadr on his own, and nor was Odin. Odin and the Aesir made Starkadr to be a monster throughout the realms and the Vanir gods and the Aesir worked together to defeat Starkadr. Thor stood no chance against Starkadr, as stated by Mimir.
I dont think Laufey is thors sister because Mimir said Thor was terribly frustrated as he was not able to fight laufey the just. And Mimir never mentioned that she was Thors sister or belonged to asgard. Aesir didnt even know that Laufey was a woman as baldur confused Laufey with Kratos.
@@elfaroliver wha? No not at all. Why would he ask why there are two beds if he knew there were two people living there? He had no idea who he was looking for just that they’re a giant.
It kinda goes back to my theory about Thor being the champion of the jotnar. If Laufey and thor were siblings, perhaps Laufey found out want Odin was up to and left Asgard. Thus the Allfather lost a key to unlock the mysterious behind the rift. Its possible that Laufey and Thor are half siblings. We don't really know what happened to Thor's mother after all. She could have returned to her people who might have resided in midgard. And since the dwarves mentioned that Laufey was the last guardian of the midgard giants and Thor murdered the Giants in midgard, Laufey swore revenge.
@@buckyhurdle4776 yeah. She is dead based on what mirmir said. But he always stated it was a mystery. It may very well be possible that she died at Thor's birth but it's just a theory.
@@GamersDogmait was implied because the context was around how Thor even though a half breed hates giants with all his heart and would ultimately hate his mother as she falls under that category she’s a giant regardless
This is actually kind of similar to a norse myth "fan theory" I thought of. In the old norse language Lefuey's name roughly translates to "dried leaves", where as Loki's father's name, Ferbauti, translates to "cruel striker". This has lead some to believe that Loki's dad was some sort of lightning giant since lightning striking dried leaves create fire. So what if said lightning giant was Thor himself... obviously this probably isn't the case but it's interesting how Santa Monica might have though of some interesting connection between Thor and Lefey as well
Wait if Faye is Thor's sister then that means Atreus is related to aesir gods that means that Atreus kinda continued the Greek Curse of Son's killing their father's by killing his grandfather?
@@dennisbranville443 Atreus killed his physical body with the soul releasing spell, but Sindri denied his soul an afterlife by breaking his soul marble
@@master_assassin8848 technically his soul could’ve been put back in that body, couldn’t it? I mean, wasn’t Angrboda’s grandma removing the souls from animals but their bodies kept doing things? Maybe the bodies of humanoids (including Gods) don’t function the same way, though? Idk.
Another thing that I think kinda proves this. In the original plot of God of War III, Kratos was supposed to meet Norse and Egyptian equivalents of him. In the actual timeline, it's clear that past Faye was based on that idea. She is the Norse equivalent of Kratos. Kratos was related to the gods of his pantheon, so it only makes sense for Faye to be related to the gods of her pantheon.
@@alexkeane9594 I think he was just simply supposed to have parallels. Faye was once an angry and vengeful person who hated and fought the gods of their pantheon, just like Kratos.
4:48 The knife with which kratos stabs Thor’s hand. Thor’s gives it a brief look and cools down. Is that faye’s knife? Looks like he realises something.
Now, when Mimir mentions a lake-nymph named Nimue back in his homeland who was skilled in making swords, he says that Nimue had "big dreams of what she'd do with them one day," implying that when last he saw her she had not yet given out Excalibur to one King Arthur. My theory, piggybacking off one Kuba had made a video about a while ago, is that if Odin's essence has somehow survived in Huginn he might go on to become the wizard Merlin. Furthermore, I don't think it's an enormous stretch to think that he might influence Arthur to create the Round Table and fill it with knights descended from Odin's old Travelers (such as Gawain, Lancelot, etc.), turning the quest for Jotunheim into the quest for the "Holy Grail"-although what form the Grail might take (if not a literal grail) is unclear to me. Perhaps, if it is a cup, it's a relic not unlike the Mask, a deceptively simple gateway to enormous power or knowledge, or is otherwise related to the Rift. But, this time there's an otherwise innocent lad at the forefront, Arthur, who Loki/Atreus would need to be mindful of so as to not get him or his subjects hurt. Obviously, Arthurian legend is also steeped in Celtic and Christian lore, so how Santa Monica would navigate the Christian elements without being seen as insensitive if they're included at all, would be a difficult task.
Dude holy shit makes so much since I’m only at the Odin becomes Merlin part an yes dude yes yes please an have Merlin/Odin have his own agenda mmmm I’m down Ite I finished reading this an yeah dude I think ur on to something I could see this happening I would love it imagine how many creatures we could see but the real question is is the game gone be for atreus or kratos personally keltic seems to fit atreus more but I’d love to see kratos kill unicorns and kelpie an I definitely could see Merlin getting the travelers from Asgard an convening Arthur to do his bidding while he plans stuff in the shadows I’d be down if by the end Arthur actually just turn evil with Merlin an atreus can’t save him like he saved his dad then maybe nimue says sun stuff to atreus for him to be Abel to get the sword or holy grail idk but I’m down dude
I have a theory on how Faye died, I think she died from the same sickness that atreaus had when he still thought he was mortal because she hid her true giant self and mimir said that giants rarely die from old age and she also doesn’t even look that old so yea that’s my theory
That makes no sense. Atreus didnt know he whas half god half giant. Faye hiding that she is doesnt make you sick because she knows what she is. Did you not understand atreus situation at all?!
@@user-pm7pw1tl3t It’s too ironic that you’re calling him out for not understanding the situation yet you didn’t understand his comment. He’s not saying that the knowledge of their nature affected the sickness at all. He’s only saying that they thought Atreus might die from the sickness because they didn’t know he was not mortal yet. Granted if sickness or whatever it was still killed Faye it kinda sounds like this whole being mortal thing doesn’t effect that much. No reason to be rude dawg
A possible explanation for nobody knowing that Faye was Thor's sister is if they called her something else in Asgard. To the Giants, Midgardians, and Vanir alike she was Laufey the Just, but back in the halls of Asgard she answered to a different name.
I thought the whole reason for gow 2018 was that baldur mistook kratos for a giant (he was looking for faye). If they knew of a giant residing in the woodlands and faye was the last known giant in midgard then it would only make sense that baldur would know who hes looking for. so the games lore disproves the theory that thor and faye are siblings or half siblings. What i wanna know is why was Modi so deadset on taking atreus and making him his new brother (even mentions it before kratos kills Magni)
Highly implausabile that see lived in Asgard, someone would remember her, even if it was a 'we don't speak of her'. More likely would be that she was Thor's older Sister from an earlier relationship between her Mother and another unnamed Giant. Gauntlets are harder to pin down, possibly they belonged to Thor's Mother and came with her when she went to Asgard, hence Faye losing access to them.
"Are Faye and Thor Related?" I wouldn't put it past the games to do that, but I doubt she is in the original Myth. While, granted we don't know much about her relatives besides her husband and sons (yes, I said sons, cuz Loki actually has two brothers), we do know that she was an Aesir Goddess. Sure, we do know that Odin has at least one daugther who is never named in the myth so it could be Laufey, but we don't really know.
Well, Kratos in the Myth isn't Zeus' Son It was Ares (I remember it was Ares the Father of Kratos) right? Faye's Father never being mentioned and Odin having a Nameless Daughter make it more sense than Kratos being the Son of Zeus
I love the theory, but I doubt it can be true. We know that Odin sent Baldur for the last giant in midgard. And if Faye actually was Odin's daughter, there's absolutely no way Baldur could have mistaken Kratos for her, because he’d knew her personally.
I’m pretty sure it’s impossible because Modi was talking shit about Faye, although he has no idea it is Faye it would still be a bit awkward for Santa Monica to make Faye Thors sister after Modi says “he gave it to her” in the first game. Edit: could be a retcon though, after all magni and modi had English accents and then in Ragnarok the rest of the aesir have American accents.
What if Atreus is The World Srepent. I mean we know for a fact that Atreus has the ability to turn into animals and different beings. We also know that the serpent has recognized Kratos in the previous game. How could the serpent know kratos if kratos was from Olympus and not these lands. Also, it would put things in a new perspective when Atreus went out to see the world serpent alone. It would be like his future self is looking at his past self. This can also even be linked to the mystery of who called the world serpent in the previous game. I know my whole theory is a really really far stretch but it could be the biggest plot twist ever.
I got a theory you probably know this but in gow 2018 the reason the sky filled with lightning when atreus got mad at sindri is because he is using zeus power and the reason kratos doesn't have his powers is because its a recessive gene
I can’t lie the Crater does give me hope for a Faye prequel. Lots of Laufaye related dialogue to go along with Brok mentioning her and the dreams of Kratos. Don’t tease us Sony Santa Monica. The fans want this game!!!🔥🔥🔥💯
Given the event in the crater, and how the world serpent and Thor have some obvious grudge with one another, I had to wonder if Faye is actually Jormungandr.
Wouldn’t the first encounter between kratos and baldur be a little more different. He probably would’ve been expecting this “warrior” that he’s looking for to be his likely sister laufey.
Baldur is younger than Thor, he is Freya's son, Freya being Odin's 2nd wife. I'm pretty sure Thor was fully grown when Odin re-married so it was some time.
Don't forget in 2015 Odin was searching for Faye with his sons but they do not know Faye was dead. That proves that Faye has some connection with Asguard.
I would be more convinced if Fjorgyn and Faye were sisters. It would still cover the red hair, the anger Faye has towards Thor, and it wouldnt need all the Asgardian coverup stuff. I think it would also just leave a lot of room for Faye to be off doing Jotnar business. But that is just what I think
I don't think Faye & Thor were related at all via an Asgardian connection. Its possible they are related through their giant ancestry though. That being said, I think it's a bit of a stretch to consider them to be bro and sis.
It would make sense why the dwarves made the axe for faye they feel they fucked up with mjolnir and they would make a proper sibling for the hammer the same way thor and faye might be
Wait, since Thor is half Giant, does that mean he also had visions of the future? Since Atreus had a vision at the end of 2018 and him being half Giant maybe Thor did too. Now this makes me think that Faye was the giant Odin found as an infant and raised rather than Loki. Faye and Thor having grown up together, perhaps Faye got her visions of the future and shared them with Thor. Thor being Odin's lapdog when he was younger, snitched and that prompted Faye to leave. Then after that, Thor may have had similar visions to what Faye told him, which sent him spiraling into the depressive state we see him in Ragnarok.
You are welcome Kap, OMG I'm so happy to hear that one of my theories isn't my writer's brain going too in depth into the possibilities, and there's actual validity to it.
I will lean yes, barring Jossing by Word Of God. Their weapons were built by the same brothers, and Leviathan was crafted to fight Mjolnir. Perhaps Faye gave the Huldras some of her own blood for the mix - and therefore Thor's blood as well, if this theory is correct. Now, one might wonder why crafty Odin never revealed this while manipulating Atreus. We could argue (timelines allowing) that Faye never told the Huldras (they might have suspected but can and did keep secrets) and that perhaps Freya, Sif and Mimir came to Asgard (or the inner circle) after Faye had been disowned. Maybe one of the Aesir absent in the games violated the don't-speak-of-her rule and met their fate so swiftly and brutally, it shut down all talk forever. We could even make a real fan-stretch. Faye was close to her uncles Vili and Ve, and when they didn't return from one of Odin's obsessive journeys to find out about the Mask and the Rift, it started her path away from the Aesir. Now, I also heard somewhere that Thor accidentally killed his mother - that would have been a deal-sealer. Back to Odin, he didn't reveal this because he only wanted to once he had Atreus in full. A familial relation can be cast off. Odin had probably heard many speeches saying 'That doesn't matter' when playing someone, and so only wanted to use it to strengthen a full bond once achieved. Possibly, he felt like Atreus might hesitate before looking through the Rift with the Mask (what, you think he was going to test it himself?) and wanted this to push him forward. The wild card is Tyr - certainly old enough to know, but he's still finding his way and would want to ease Father and Son into this revelation. BTW, let's go the rest of the way - if this is true, then Atreus is the grandson of Zeus and Odin - making him ever more the Franklin Richards of GoW.
She could be his half sister, but I very much doubt her father was Odin. That would make Odin Atreus's grandfather which Odin could've used to minipulate Atreus. Anyway if Baldur was sent to track Faye how why did he think Kratos was the giant.
If they are related, I think its more likely that they are half siblings. Sharing the same mother but different fathers. Would just make more sense that way.
I believe this already because Faye has a face quite similar to Odin and his relatives and according to mythology Loki is Odin's blood brother so santa monica could have adjusted that Atreus is related to Odin
Laufey does have a meaning in Old Norse. In Norse mythology, Laufey is primarily known as the mother of the god Loki. Her name is derived from the Old Norse words "lauf" meaning "leaf" and "ey" meaning "island" or "land." Therefore, Laufey can be interpreted as "leaf island" or "island of leaves." This name may be a reference to the natural world or evoke imagery of a fertile and verdant place. This links her to Atreus, with him being Loki.
Can you do A WAY more in depth theory on the next pantheon. Sorry if this sounds rude, but it sounded more like other people theories passed through your mouth. I'm pretty sure it's Egyptian first and then Hindu religon. One point is that Hindu religion is the oldest recorded religion in the world, even older then Egyptian mythology, and since the reveal of multiple pantheons other than the Greek one and especially God of War: Ragnarok with the Higher Plane Rift, the beginning of the God Of War Universe is one of the biggest mysteries of the canon, if not the biggest. If you don't make a video on it, then I'll do it, even though I'm working on my Breath of The Wilde theory.
Faye did not grow up in Asgard! there are indications she lived in Jottumhein once Angrboda said that Faye had left and cut ties with the Gigants before she was born meaning she was a person they knew unlike Atreus who never lived there
YES! She is. Super obvious based on some of the stuff Odin said, and the behavior of Thor towards Atreus. I had this thought since 2018, since they made Laufey a woman, because Laufey is the KING of the Frost Giants, so that's why I believed right off the bat that they were going to say she is Odin's daughter.
I have a theory that in the next gow game the giants fled to Egypt and were enslaved by the gods there to build the pyramids and Atreus gets to learn more about kratos's past by Ethana's ghost since she had some involvement in the Egyptian mythos in the comics
I can’t believe no one else has bought this up but you know the huge lightning bolt at the crater that is driving the theory. Why does it exist, surely it has to point to something sure it’s good evidence of her rage but why was the battle with Thor of all possible people she could have fought. They’re definitely trying to hint at something about their relationship and what else makes sense besides typical sibling fights. And then with the two of them being the only two significant redheads and also both giants Santa Monica must have known players would speculate about them being related
I’ve been thinking this is absolute fact since I heard it. Loki and Thor being nephew and uncle flows well, bringing meaning to Atreus and Thor teaming up.
Okay, I think this theory is true and that it is what convinced Faye that she should try and alter fate. 1st I don't think Faye couldn't defeat Thor, and only did as well as she did be cause he was incredibly drunk at the time. Thor was destined to be the one to permanently kill Kratos before he talked Thor out of it. So my theory is eventually Thor beats Faye down and demands to know who she was. Faye tells him that she is the daughter of Fjörgyn, and is there to avenge her mother and all the other giants Thor has killed. Thor, shaken, reveals that neither he nor his father killed the two's mother. Fjörgyn used her foresight to learn that Thor, a young boy at the time, would grow up to be a monster, a destroyer, and she told him this and that nothing could change his fate before she killed herself over the shame of giving birth to the thing that would murder her race. Out of shame, Thor lets Faye go, and this convinces the giantess to try and alter fate. It would explain Faye's motives, and how Thor seems so ashamed over his nature while at the same time seemingly being depressed over his inability to change it (might also explain his alcoholism).
Hey Kuba I have a theory. Durlin’s squid is special. When kratos and atreus first visit durlin, they as him about the whereabouts of tyr, durlin’s squid, Dînner, gives atreus a seed to niflhiem. And by the end of the game we find out real tyr is in niflhiem. But here’s where it gets ominous, the prison that real tyr is in was actually in Asgard, it teleported to nflhiem after ragnarok. Could durlin’s squid be able to forsee and knew that real tyr would end up in niflhiem. Or is it just coincidence that the squid gave atreus a niflhiem seed?
In Norse mythology, Odin and Loki are like blood brothers, I'm curious if Faye would be Odins sister since Loki is still a child. Especially considering Odin sent Baldr in search of Faye in the 2018 God of War.
You could have used the myths to back up the theory, in norse myth laufey was listed as a god, aesir or vanir is not clear, but she was the reason as to why loki was allowed into asgard despite his father Firbati being a giant. Whilst in asgard, Faye could be a lesser Aesir. Whilst in jotunheim she is laufey. She was a spy in the halls of asgard, a being so insignificant to freya and mimir that they would have been non the wiser to her true identity.
Faye is Thor's Half Sister and the gloves were given to her by their mother to wield hammer, before Thor killed her for having an Affair with Fayes Father. Freya met Faye before her marriage to Odin and before Faye got the Axe and the Frozen Lightning in Vanaheim.
Maybe Faye’s true name is Fjörgyn and she kinda faked her death after living a double life as Laufey the Just. It would be a great reason for her to want to hide her past from kratos. She doesn’t want him to know she is thors mother and odins ex wife. This is why she drank with Thor, her own son. He was drinking with his mom (at the time Fjörgyn). She would have been living a double life by this point cause the axe that froze the lightning was made for laufey the just brok and sin would have only known her as laufaye. Who was a rumor in Asgard. This would explain why she was able to ruin so many Aesir plans in Asgard cause she was a spy. Then the fight in the crater happens and this is when Thor thinks he killed his mother. Who later hides in the woods now fully going by her other identity as Faye.
The idea of Thor and Faye being half siblings is quite possible considering that they are both of jotunn descent. Nice use of information regarding how Freya may have met Faye.
My theory is on the next game and how kratos will get to the different pantheon for next game. Kratos figured out that while Atreus was on his adventures he wanted to go see different places but not in the Norse pantheon, other ones. Atreus will want to go to the Greek pantheon because he only knows so little about from what kratos has told him. Atreus will either get help from Tyr or Jõrmungandr to get their. When he gets help from one of them he tries to do it but messes it up and ends up in Egyptian or japanese mythology. Kratos will then get news about it and will go get his son. When kratos appears in either one he will be known for what he has done in his past and will be hated and targeted.
Hey Kuba! I have a theory that adds to your Faye prequel game idea. What if it will be a sequel and a prequel. Faye did not worry about teach Atreus Jotnar things, becouse she know that he will learn the time travel somehow. I say the next game will be an Atreus sequel that takes place mostly in the past with Faye, learning about the giants and where they are. I think the game mechanic could be the same what we saw in Ragnarok. She will be the compenion and sometimes we could play with her. What do you think?
@@KaptainKuba lmk if u need anything. Remember the lore marker and the borne vs born difference from it, their deaths sounding so similar, did Faye want to be buried like her mother, sister, aunt? The light of Alfheim kratos scene with the bridge yelling for Faye, etc
Well Faye using the axe against Thor because the gloves were broken by Thor if the gloves are the same ones Thor used to weld mojlnir if the gloves were made by Asgard.
I don't know if it's mentioned in this theory, but Odin confirmed Thor is part giant... I'm playing the game right now, and when you play as atreus carrying the books in Asguard he says so.
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Perhaps they fought in Vanaheim because Thor killed their mother. And because of Faye, she was rage. Or Faye used to live in Vanaheim and there she met Freya.
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Thor's daughter Thrudd also kinda looks like Faye.
I have a theory that whatever giants are left will be mad at loki for not using the mask. For all we know Odin was still gonna die if loki used it or not, and the giants will be more mad at him for not using it then being grateful Odin is dead.
Oh so you think him not putting the mask on saved him somehow? Interesting
@@KaptainKuba potentially, mostly I think the giants knew about the mask it was always the plan for loki to be the one to put it on. And just like his mother loki went against the giants wishes,and maybe the giants that are still alive will be mad at loki for not putting it on.for whatever reason
Argoman the rift made Odin insane what garantes it wuldn't do the same to Loki
@@chaosgamer016_5 theory:
The Mask is an Interfere from the Astral/Heavenly Plane to destroy Asgard (like they did with Greece) and probably will try with other Pantheons too
@@chaosgamer016_5 that's an excellent question. But maybe that's how he was supposed to become the loki from norse myth and become the God of mischief
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Mimir stated in God of War (2018), that Thor wasn't stupid enough to fight Starkadr on his own, and nor was Odin. Odin and the Aesir made Starkadr to be a monster throughout the realms and the Vanir gods and the Aesir worked together to defeat Starkadr. Thor stood no chance against Starkadr, as stated by Mimir.
I dont think Laufey is thors sister because Mimir said Thor was terribly frustrated as he was not able to fight laufey the just. And Mimir never mentioned that she was Thors sister or belonged to asgard.
Aesir didnt even know that Laufey was a woman as baldur confused Laufey with Kratos.
Remember Odin forcing everyone to forget how to get into Jotunheim, even Mimir wasnt able to recollect… There is plot left to include this caveat…
I thought Baldur knew where she was and knew Kratos was there too. That’s why Baldur asked why there were two beds and what/who he was hiding
And that pretty much ends it. If Faye had ever been on Asgard Baldur isn’t going to be unsure of who he’s looking for.
@@elfaroliver wha? No not at all. Why would he ask why there are two beds if he knew there were two people living there?
He had no idea who he was looking for just that they’re a giant.
Which makes no sense since she fought thor
It kinda goes back to my theory about Thor being the champion of the jotnar. If Laufey and thor were siblings, perhaps Laufey found out want Odin was up to and left Asgard. Thus the Allfather lost a key to unlock the mysterious behind the rift. Its possible that Laufey and Thor are half siblings. We don't really know what happened to Thor's mother after all. She could have returned to her people who might have resided in midgard. And since the dwarves mentioned that Laufey was the last guardian of the midgard giants and Thor murdered the Giants in midgard, Laufey swore revenge.
No thor kills his mother. Its a big reason as to why odin is so harsh on him.
@@benwiseman3051 elaborate. As far as I'm aware, we didn't know that Thor's killed his mother.
@@GamersDogma Thor's mother died. Thats all we know. Odin holds it against him, so she probably died during birth. But thats only implied.
@@buckyhurdle4776 yeah. She is dead based on what mirmir said. But he always stated it was a mystery. It may very well be possible that she died at Thor's birth but it's just a theory.
@@GamersDogmait was implied because the context was around how Thor even though a half breed hates giants with all his heart and would ultimately hate his mother as she falls under that category she’s a giant regardless
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This is actually kind of similar to a norse myth "fan theory" I thought of. In the old norse language Lefuey's name roughly translates to "dried leaves", where as Loki's father's name, Ferbauti, translates to "cruel striker". This has lead some to believe that Loki's dad was some sort of lightning giant since lightning striking dried leaves create fire. So what if said lightning giant was Thor himself... obviously this probably isn't the case but it's interesting how Santa Monica might have though of some interesting connection between Thor and Lefey as well
Wait if Faye is Thor's sister then that means Atreus is related to aesir gods that means that Atreus kinda continued the Greek Curse of Son's killing their father's by killing his grandfather?
Odin really was the "all-father". Dude got around similar to Zeus.
Hey that's a very interesting observation, is the cycle really broken?
@@dennisbranville443 Atreus killed his physical body with the soul releasing spell, but Sindri denied his soul an afterlife by breaking his soul marble
Well, Loki is an adopted Aesir God in the original mythology, isn’t he? Or maybe I’m just kinda combining Marvel lore now. I don’t remember.
@@master_assassin8848 technically his soul could’ve been put back in that body, couldn’t it? I mean, wasn’t Angrboda’s grandma removing the souls from animals but their bodies kept doing things? Maybe the bodies of humanoids (including Gods) don’t function the same way, though? Idk.
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@@big.gib.4L he is just joking
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Another thing that I think kinda proves this.
In the original plot of God of War III, Kratos was supposed to meet Norse and Egyptian equivalents of him. In the actual timeline, it's clear that past Faye was based on that idea. She is the Norse equivalent of Kratos. Kratos was related to the gods of his pantheon, so it only makes sense for Faye to be related to the gods of her pantheon.
I think that Thor is Kratos's equivalent in the Norse pantheon.
@@alexkeane9594 I think he was just simply supposed to have parallels. Faye was once an angry and vengeful person who hated and fought the gods of their pantheon, just like Kratos.
@@Anarchnid she did not destroy entire races,Thor did
@@alexkeane9594 and the relationship with his father odin it's seims a bit smiler to that one for zues and kratos relationship
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4:48 The knife with which kratos stabs Thor’s hand. Thor’s gives it a brief look and cools down. Is that faye’s knife? Looks like he realises something.
fayes knife broke in the first game on that one puzzle when atreus jammed it in a gear
6:04 Kuba talking about gloves
**Shows a picture of mittens**
Now, when Mimir mentions a lake-nymph named Nimue back in his homeland who was skilled in making swords, he says that Nimue had "big dreams of what she'd do with them one day," implying that when last he saw her she had not yet given out Excalibur to one King Arthur. My theory, piggybacking off one Kuba had made a video about a while ago, is that if Odin's essence has somehow survived in Huginn he might go on to become the wizard Merlin. Furthermore, I don't think it's an enormous stretch to think that he might influence Arthur to create the Round Table and fill it with knights descended from Odin's old Travelers (such as Gawain, Lancelot, etc.), turning the quest for Jotunheim into the quest for the "Holy Grail"-although what form the Grail might take (if not a literal grail) is unclear to me. Perhaps, if it is a cup, it's a relic not unlike the Mask, a deceptively simple gateway to enormous power or knowledge, or is otherwise related to the Rift. But, this time there's an otherwise innocent lad at the forefront, Arthur, who Loki/Atreus would need to be mindful of so as to not get him or his subjects hurt.
Obviously, Arthurian legend is also steeped in Celtic and Christian lore, so how Santa Monica would navigate the Christian elements without being seen as insensitive if they're included at all, would be a difficult task.
Dude holy shit makes so much since I’m only at the Odin becomes Merlin part an yes dude yes yes please an have Merlin/Odin have his own agenda mmmm I’m down Ite I finished reading this an yeah dude I think ur on to something I could see this happening I would love it imagine how many creatures we could see but the real question is is the game gone be for atreus or kratos personally keltic seems to fit atreus more but I’d love to see kratos kill unicorns and kelpie an I definitely could see Merlin getting the travelers from Asgard an convening Arthur to do his bidding while he plans stuff in the shadows I’d be down if by the end Arthur actually just turn evil with Merlin an atreus can’t save him like he saved his dad then maybe nimue says sun stuff to atreus for him to be Abel to get the sword or holy grail idk but I’m down dude
I have a theory on how Faye died, I think she died from the same sickness that atreaus had when he still thought he was mortal because she hid her true giant self and mimir said that giants rarely die from old age and she also doesn’t even look that old so yea that’s my theory
That makes no sense. Atreus didnt know he whas half god half giant. Faye hiding that she is doesnt make you sick because she knows what she is. Did you not understand atreus situation at all?!
@@user-pm7pw1tl3t It’s too ironic that you’re calling him out for not understanding the situation yet you didn’t understand his comment. He’s not saying that the knowledge of their nature affected the sickness at all. He’s only saying that they thought Atreus might die from the sickness because they didn’t know he was not mortal yet. Granted if sickness or whatever it was still killed Faye it kinda sounds like this whole being mortal thing doesn’t effect that much. No reason to be rude dawg
A possible explanation for nobody knowing that Faye was Thor's sister is if they called her something else in Asgard. To the Giants, Midgardians, and Vanir alike she was Laufey the Just, but back in the halls of Asgard she answered to a different name.
Oh yeah makes since fr
Atreus is now a giant Norse god and a Greek god
Demi god actually Faye is a mortal and a giant and kratos is a god so it makes atrues a norse demi god and greek demi god
@@jakesteven8902 Kratos is also a demi god.
I thought the whole reason for gow 2018 was that baldur mistook kratos for a giant (he was looking for faye). If they knew of a giant residing in the woodlands and faye was the last known giant in midgard then it would only make sense that baldur would know who hes looking for. so the games lore disproves the theory that thor and faye are siblings or half siblings.
What i wanna know is why was Modi so deadset on taking atreus and making him his new brother (even mentions it before kratos kills Magni)
Highly implausabile that see lived in Asgard, someone would remember her, even if it was a 'we don't speak of her'. More likely would be that she was Thor's older Sister from an earlier relationship between her Mother and another unnamed Giant. Gauntlets are harder to pin down, possibly they belonged to Thor's Mother and came with her when she went to Asgard, hence Faye losing access to them.
Kratos clapping the cheeks of a whole family tree
"Are Faye and Thor Related?"
I wouldn't put it past the games to do that, but I doubt she is in the original Myth. While, granted we don't know much about her relatives besides her husband and sons (yes, I said sons, cuz Loki actually has two brothers), we do know that she was an Aesir Goddess.
Sure, we do know that Odin has at least one daugther who is never named in the myth so it could be Laufey, but we don't really know.
Well, Kratos in the Myth isn't Zeus' Son
It was Ares (I remember it was Ares the Father of Kratos) right?
Faye's Father never being mentioned and Odin having a Nameless Daughter make it more sense than Kratos being the Son of Zeus
I love this theory, give us more Faye plot in future Santa Monica.
Damn Kratos really got revenge on Thor. Still starting a family with his sister is a little too much even for the Ghost of Sparta
We need a Atreus/Thrud game with Faye playable in flashbacks. There is so much to tell still.
I love the theory, but I doubt it can be true. We know that Odin sent Baldur for the last giant in midgard. And if Faye actually was Odin's daughter, there's absolutely no way Baldur could have mistaken Kratos for her, because he’d knew her personally.
We need a faye game! She is so interesting and I would love to see how she came to be a great warrior!
And a potential Boss fight with Kratos as the Boss would be great
I heard Thor say to Atreus he has no interest bonding over shared blood. Could that mean something?
The thumbnail makes sense ALOTTT
I’m pretty sure it’s impossible because Modi was talking shit about Faye, although he has no idea it is Faye it would still be a bit awkward for Santa Monica to make Faye Thors sister after Modi says “he gave it to her” in the first game.
Edit: could be a retcon though, after all magni and modi had English accents and then in Ragnarok the rest of the aesir have American accents.
I mean I’m pretty sure all jotnar are related so it would make more sense if Faye was pissed that Thor would turn on them and kill their kind
this makes way more sense tbh.
Thor was raised by Odin. He didn't even mind killing Jotnars. To Faye, he may be a Jotnar, but his upbringing is different than theirs.
@@ringofdreal1374 He still is apart of their kind so even if he was raised by odin it still would hurt that your family was murdering each other
Thanks for briefly showing my comment Kuba! Hopefully you’ll be able to take it somewhere.
Faye is Ares sister they both got fire red hair in the next game it will be full circle
what if the red haired warrior is actually thrud going back in time to stop thor from drinking and keep him alive🤯🤯🤯
What if Atreus is The World Srepent. I mean we know for a fact that Atreus has the ability to turn into animals and different beings. We also know that the serpent has recognized Kratos in the previous game. How could the serpent know kratos if kratos was from Olympus and not these lands. Also, it would put things in a new perspective when Atreus went out to see the world serpent alone. It would be like his future self is looking at his past self. This can also even be linked to the mystery of who called the world serpent in the previous game. I know my whole theory is a really really far stretch but it could be the biggest plot twist ever.
He is indeed the serpent. Have u been watching cookingkratos lol
I got a theory you probably know this but in gow 2018 the reason the sky filled with lightning when atreus got mad at sindri is because he is using zeus power and the reason kratos doesn't have his powers is because its a recessive gene
I can’t lie the Crater does give me hope for a Faye prequel. Lots of Laufaye related dialogue to go along with Brok mentioning her and the dreams of Kratos. Don’t tease us Sony Santa Monica. The fans want this game!!!🔥🔥🔥💯
Given the event in the crater, and how the world serpent and Thor have some obvious grudge with one another, I had to wonder if Faye is actually Jormungandr.
I’ve been thinking this since my first Ragnarok play through
Thors sister having the gloves sounds spot on.
And... Faye has an axe that returns to her, and Thor has a hammer that returns to him.
Cuz the dwarves gave the axe and hammer the ability to be called back by the user . Kratos can call the axe back
But Faye is a giant! Wait a minute Thor is as well… huh
Wouldn’t the first encounter between kratos and baldur be a little more different. He probably would’ve been expecting this “warrior” that he’s looking for to be his likely sister laufey.
He didn't know who he was looking for, all he knew is that it was a giant
Baldur is younger than Thor, he is Freya's son, Freya being Odin's 2nd wife. I'm pretty sure Thor was fully grown when Odin re-married so it was some time.
@@KaptainKuba 🤔 yeah makes sense, so in that case it kinda reinforces the theory of laufey and Thor being siblings, wow, this is a good one.
@@KaptainKuba but why wouldn’t Odin tell him who he was looking for?
there is something i like to mention with what fraya said about meeting faye and that is she never said where she meet or knew her from
Don't forget in 2015 Odin was searching for Faye with his sons but they do not know Faye was dead. That proves that Faye has some connection with Asguard.
6:17 Faye looks like Eugene Krabs bruh
Odin also tells Atreus that Thor is part giant as well
Honestly I could believe that Faye is Thor’s half sister. I couldn’t believe that she’s Odin’s too or grew up on Asgard for any reason.
I would be more convinced if Fjorgyn and Faye were sisters. It would still cover the red hair, the anger Faye has towards Thor, and it wouldnt need all the Asgardian coverup stuff. I think it would also just leave a lot of room for Faye to be off doing Jotnar business. But that is just what I think
What if Faye is actually Thor’s mother?!!? I mean we don’t know how old she is, maybe that’s why Thor couldn’t bring himself to kill her
I don't think Faye & Thor were related at all via an Asgardian connection. Its possible they are related through their giant ancestry though. That being said, I think it's a bit of a stretch to consider them to be bro and sis.
No l think it is least likely. Laufey is not related to Thor other than being a giant
And red hair. And the blue eyes. And incredible strength. And pure rage.
It would make sense why the dwarves made the axe for faye they feel they fucked up with mjolnir and they would make a proper sibling for the hammer the same way thor and faye might be
Wait, since Thor is half Giant, does that mean he also had visions of the future? Since Atreus had a vision at the end of 2018 and him being half Giant maybe Thor did too.
Now this makes me think that Faye was the giant Odin found as an infant and raised rather than Loki. Faye and Thor having grown up together, perhaps Faye got her visions of the future and shared them with Thor. Thor being Odin's lapdog when he was younger, snitched and that prompted Faye to leave.
Then after that, Thor may have had similar visions to what Faye told him, which sent him spiraling into the depressive state we see him in Ragnarok.
also, a picture of young Odin you can find has Brown hair, which means laufey's mother has red hair
You are welcome Kap, OMG I'm so happy to hear that one of my theories isn't my writer's brain going too in depth into the possibilities, and there's actual validity to it.
I have this interesting theory (all though admittedly it's a long shot) that Kratos may indeed be related to Atreus's father. 👀
6:20 *Fun fact:* One of Thor's designs has him wearing gloves (and his goats strapped on his back), but didn't made into the final cut.
Oh shit, you're right!
I will lean yes, barring Jossing by Word Of God. Their weapons were built by the same brothers, and Leviathan was crafted to fight Mjolnir. Perhaps Faye gave the Huldras some of her own blood for the mix - and therefore Thor's blood as well, if this theory is correct. Now, one might wonder why crafty Odin never revealed this while manipulating Atreus. We could argue (timelines allowing) that Faye never told the Huldras (they might have suspected but can and did keep secrets) and that perhaps Freya, Sif and Mimir came to Asgard (or the inner circle) after Faye had been disowned. Maybe one of the Aesir absent in the games violated the don't-speak-of-her rule and met their fate so swiftly and brutally, it shut down all talk forever. We could even make a real fan-stretch. Faye was close to her uncles Vili and Ve, and when they didn't return from one of Odin's obsessive journeys to find out about the Mask and the Rift, it started her path away from the Aesir. Now, I also heard somewhere that Thor accidentally killed his mother - that would have been a deal-sealer. Back to Odin, he didn't reveal this because he only wanted to once he had Atreus in full. A familial relation can be cast off. Odin had probably heard many speeches saying 'That doesn't matter' when playing someone, and so only wanted to use it to strengthen a full bond once achieved. Possibly, he felt like Atreus might hesitate before looking through the Rift with the Mask (what, you think he was going to test it himself?) and wanted this to push him forward. The wild card is Tyr - certainly old enough to know, but he's still finding his way and would want to ease Father and Son into this revelation.
BTW, let's go the rest of the way - if this is true, then Atreus is the grandson of Zeus and Odin - making him ever more the Franklin Richards of GoW.
She could be his half sister, but I very much doubt her father was Odin. That would make Odin Atreus's grandfather which Odin could've used to minipulate Atreus. Anyway if Baldur was sent to track Faye how why did he think Kratos was the giant.
Yo, this would tie Loki to Azgard like he is in the original, just making him half aesir. If true, that right there is what you call gorgeous writing.
If they are related, I think its more likely that they are half siblings. Sharing the same mother but different fathers. Would just make more sense that way.
Right before this vid came out I was thinking Thrud looked a bit like Faye and I just brushed it off
I believe this already because Faye has a face quite similar to Odin and his relatives and according to mythology Loki is Odin's blood brother so santa monica could have adjusted that Atreus is related to Odin
And if there is any DLC, I think it will be about Faye and Thor. Maybe we'll even find out who blew the horn in the previous episode
Laufey does have a meaning in Old Norse. In Norse mythology, Laufey is primarily known as the mother of the god Loki. Her name is derived from the Old Norse words "lauf" meaning "leaf" and "ey" meaning "island" or "land." Therefore, Laufey can be interpreted as "leaf island" or "island of leaves." This name may be a reference to the natural world or evoke imagery of a fertile and verdant place. This links her to Atreus, with him being Loki.
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Can you do A WAY more in depth theory on the next pantheon. Sorry if this sounds rude, but it sounded more like other people theories passed through your mouth. I'm pretty sure it's Egyptian first and then Hindu religon. One point is that Hindu religion is the oldest recorded religion in the world, even older then Egyptian mythology, and since the reveal of multiple pantheons other than the Greek one and especially God of War: Ragnarok with the Higher Plane Rift, the beginning of the God Of War Universe is one of the biggest mysteries of the canon, if not the biggest. If you don't make a video on it, then I'll do it, even though I'm working on my Breath of The Wilde theory.
Faye did not grow up in Asgard! there are indications she lived in Jottumhein once Angrboda said that Faye had left and cut ties with the Gigants before she was born meaning she was a person they knew unlike Atreus who never lived there
Maybe Laufey was his giant name and had other name in Asgard, making this Laufey storys a mystery for must Aesiers, including mimir.
YES! She is. Super obvious based on some of the stuff Odin said, and the behavior of Thor towards Atreus. I had this thought since 2018, since they made Laufey a woman, because Laufey is the KING of the Frost Giants, so that's why I believed right off the bat that they were going to say she is Odin's daughter.
I have a theory that in the next gow game the giants fled to Egypt and were enslaved by the gods there to build the pyramids and Atreus gets to learn more about kratos's past by Ethana's ghost since she had some involvement in the Egyptian mythos in the comics
I can’t believe no one else has bought this up but you know the huge lightning bolt at the crater that is driving the theory. Why does it exist, surely it has to point to something sure it’s good evidence of her rage but why was the battle with Thor of all possible people she could have fought. They’re definitely trying to hint at something about their relationship and what else makes sense besides typical sibling fights. And then with the two of them being the only two significant redheads and also both giants Santa Monica must have known players would speculate about them being related
I’ve been thinking this is absolute fact since I heard it. Loki and Thor being nephew and uncle flows well, bringing meaning to Atreus and Thor teaming up.
Okay, I think this theory is true and that it is what convinced Faye that she should try and alter fate. 1st I don't think Faye couldn't defeat Thor, and only did as well as she did be cause he was incredibly drunk at the time. Thor was destined to be the one to permanently kill Kratos before he talked Thor out of it. So my theory is eventually Thor beats Faye down and demands to know who she was. Faye tells him that she is the daughter of Fjörgyn, and is there to avenge her mother and all the other giants Thor has killed. Thor, shaken, reveals that neither he nor his father killed the two's mother. Fjörgyn used her foresight to learn that Thor, a young boy at the time, would grow up to be a monster, a destroyer, and she told him this and that nothing could change his fate before she killed herself over the shame of giving birth to the thing that would murder her race. Out of shame, Thor lets Faye go, and this convinces the giantess to try and alter fate. It would explain Faye's motives, and how Thor seems so ashamed over his nature while at the same time seemingly being depressed over his inability to change it (might also explain his alcoholism).
Hey Kuba I have a theory.
Durlin’s squid is special. When kratos and atreus first visit durlin, they as him about the whereabouts of tyr, durlin’s squid, Dînner, gives atreus a seed to niflhiem. And by the end of the game we find out real tyr is in niflhiem.
But here’s where it gets ominous, the prison that real tyr is in was actually in Asgard, it teleported to nflhiem after ragnarok.
Could durlin’s squid be able to forsee and knew that real tyr would end up in niflhiem. Or is it just coincidence that the squid gave atreus a niflhiem seed?
In Norse mythology, Odin and Loki are like blood brothers, I'm curious if Faye would be Odins sister since Loki is still a child. Especially considering Odin sent Baldr in search of Faye in the 2018 God of War.
A theory I have is that durlins pet Squid could be the kraken from Norse mythology
you my man is one of the best youtibers
You could have used the myths to back up the theory, in norse myth laufey was listed as a god, aesir or vanir is not clear, but she was the reason as to why loki was allowed into asgard despite his father Firbati being a giant. Whilst in asgard, Faye could be a lesser Aesir. Whilst in jotunheim she is laufey. She was a spy in the halls of asgard, a being so insignificant to freya and mimir that they would have been non the wiser to her true identity.
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Faye is Thor's Half Sister and the gloves were given to her by their mother to wield hammer, before Thor killed her for having an Affair with Fayes Father. Freya met Faye before her marriage to Odin and before Faye got the Axe and the Frozen Lightning in Vanaheim.
Maybe Faye’s true name is Fjörgyn and she kinda faked her death after living a double life as Laufey the Just. It would be a great reason for her to want to hide her past from kratos. She doesn’t want him to know she is thors mother and odins ex wife. This is why she drank with Thor, her own son. He was drinking with his mom (at the time Fjörgyn). She would have been living a double life by this point cause the axe that froze the lightning was made for laufey the just brok and sin would have only known her as laufaye. Who was a rumor in Asgard. This would explain why she was able to ruin so many Aesir plans in Asgard cause she was a spy. Then the fight in the crater happens and this is when Thor thinks he killed his mother. Who later hides in the woods now fully going by her other identity as Faye.
Kuba The only thing we have left is: ASK THAT THEORY TO CORY BARLOG AND ERIC WILLIAMS, lets see what they said😅
That's why thor drinks he killed his mom because Odin commanded it
Maybe Faye is Thor's aunt. Thor's mother's sister. That makes Thor and Atreus brothers.
Cousins not brothers lol
The idea of Thor and Faye being half siblings is quite possible considering that they are both of jotunn descent. Nice use of information regarding how Freya may have met Faye.
Alright im expecting the obvious "they have red hair" argument 🦦
i mean, thor is also a giant and its never said that faye is a full giant, and even if she is, she can still share a mother with thor
Hahaha someone called it
BEHIND FREYAS HOUSE IN GOW 2018 there’s a mark on a stone
My theory is on the next game and how kratos will get to the different pantheon for next game. Kratos figured out that while Atreus was on his adventures he wanted to go see different places but not in the Norse pantheon, other ones. Atreus will want to go to the Greek pantheon because he only knows so little about from what kratos has told him. Atreus will either get help from Tyr or Jõrmungandr to get their. When he gets help from one of them he tries to do it but messes it up and ends up in Egyptian or japanese mythology. Kratos will then get news about it and will go get his son. When kratos appears in either one he will be known for what he has done in his past and will be hated and targeted.
Maybe this was how thor knew about kratos being the ghost of Sparta. Because Faye told thor about it if they are siblings.
I just wanted to say i have the gow 2018 theme and now I when I open my ps4 i remember you and nice video
Hey Kuba! I have a theory that adds to your Faye prequel game idea. What if it will be a sequel and a prequel.
Faye did not worry about teach Atreus Jotnar things, becouse she know that he will learn the time travel somehow.
I say the next game will be an Atreus sequel that takes place mostly in the past with Faye, learning about the giants and where they are.
I think the game mechanic could be the same what we saw in Ragnarok. She will be the compenion and sometimes we could play with her.
What do you think?
Hey kuba do you think that is hel in the midgar chroniclar video
The thor fight also took part with the axe, so if she had the gloves, she didn't use them in the fight.
I mean it’s not far fetched imagine we didn’t know Kratos was Zeus' son for a long time even if it was hinted till we eventually found out.
NO WAY you made this theory, you're acknowledgement alone is enough! Long live Fjorgyn!
It's happening!
@@KaptainKuba lmk if u need anything. Remember the lore marker and the borne vs born difference from it, their deaths sounding so similar, did Faye want to be buried like her mother, sister, aunt? The light of Alfheim kratos scene with the bridge yelling for Faye, etc
This is 1 helluva theory though. Would make so much sense, even if they were actually cousins
😂😂😂😂 how
@@jackhaufMaybe Fryogin had twins
Well Faye using the axe against Thor because the gloves were broken by Thor if the gloves are the same ones Thor used to weld mojlnir if the gloves were made by Asgard.
Idk if anyone else mentioned this, but in Norse Mythology Laufey is Aesir (Farbauti is Jotunn).
I think I know who is going to be the final boss of the entire god of war franchise its taxes.
I don't know if it's mentioned in this theory, but Odin confirmed Thor is part giant... I'm playing the game right now, and when you play as atreus carrying the books in Asguard he says so.
You see that in the distance? It's you reaching