I was simultaneously both really disappointed and really appreciated the fact we didn't get to see into the rift it would be cool to get a glimpse of the higher realm but I like that they left it a mystery
@@codafett yeah mate I get what you mean but I think they will expand on it in future games rather than just never revisit it ,they've built up the higher plain in too many different parts of the series from athena in the OG games and fallen god to just abandon it
Kuba, another BANGER. However, the interesting detail is that killing Ymir, a Creator God, was what led to the Rift being created. Maybe the Blades of Chaos, a Primordial weapon, can expand or create a Rift of it's own in the future? Blades of Chaos with Surtr's power + some Spark of the World magic, sounds like a good recipe to go back and kick Athena's butt! That would be sick!
@@AtelierGod Ymir created the first realms, and he was the first god. He was created from Gennungegopp (the primordial norse substance), so he was a Primordial God/creator god. i think you're arguing different ways to pronounce tomato tbh XD
@@omeramrani2274 we know too little to know for sure. All we know is Athena got there for a benevolent act but later turned a bit evil, so its probably not black and white.
Faye pulled kratos into the light in the last game and showed him what atreus said right before they burned her. She was there. We were Faye the whole game and that's why kratos breaks the fourth wall and talk to the camera before baldur punches him over the house. Also, I think Odin was putting something in the food while he was cooking as Tyr. Brok calls it dirt soup, but mimir says there is something special about the food and he can't stop thinking about it. I think there was magic and it didn't work on brok because he was missing a soul piece
I mean what possible answer were people expecting the tear to provide? I really like that they kept it a mystery and as said Kratos said: "beware shortcuts to knowledge"
I think it’s truly better to keep it for later It fullfilled it’s rôle in this game by driving Odin and being a representation of Odin’s thirst for knowledge It can have another role later
Thanks for delivering King! With Ragnarök being the last of the Norse saga, we’ll definitely be focusing on the higher plane of existence in the next game, Kratos realizing the main problem is the gods above the gods
This would actually be sick to see for gow 6. Even though everyone expects Kratos to go to Egypt Santa Monica have had a knack for subverting expectations.
I heard a theory that the mask was from the Mayans because the Mayans did have masks like that plus there have been hints of Kratos going to the Mayan pantheon so it would kinda fit
i know what the mask is. we’ve established the mask is of greek origin since the words atreas spoke are greek, specifically a mix of ancient and modern greek, if you zoom in on the mask you see a mix of greek letters as well as some that can’t be identified, linear A is the first recorded alphabet that has never been translated, it originated from the Mycenaeans. the mask is linked to primordials since the crack was created after the death of Ymir. primordials existed in both mythologies. since they can never truly die the mask it’s just a key that unlocks the crack, wearing it does nothing, odin lost his eye because of what Kratos said: there are no shortcuts to knowledge. it’s essentially pandora’s box, if all these check out, then that means that the mask was created by the greek gods and it allowed them to access the minds of the primordials. now why is it split? remember GOW ascensions? 3 furies, above the gods, that deemed it too powerful for them, and they hid it at places where the greek gods couldn’t find them… and all these predate odin since it is implied that the war between Aesir and Vaneir happened 200 years ago, previous to that odin had 300 years of peace. kratos is at least 1.000 years old, as he was in both the trojan war, and the battle of thermopylae. kratos couldn’t know the language as it predates even him, also he never took the time to examine it. i commented this theory months ago to multiple youtubers and the next day they uploaded videos saying it was their idea, however… i left out some crucial parts… i hope you enjoy it
This theory is based on the tiny amounts of information the series gave us, so it’s highly unlikely to be correct. However I wish it was because this sounds amazing
Hey I completely agree. I always said if the colors match it’s from the same source and it’s mad crazy that we saw Zeus in hel and everyone trumped it up to be the tricks of hel but what if it wasn’t and he was his Spector from that higher plain just watching him
My fanfic is that Týr is actually Jesus. He traveled to other mythologies to meet them and spread his message of goodwil, that the Gods must try to be forces for the good. That would most likely influenced Athena which led to her ascension
Deep into that darkness peering, long Atreus stood there wondering, fearing, Doubting, dreaming dreams no god ever dared to dream before; But the Thor was broken, and the Odin gave no token, And the only word there spoken was the whispered word, “God of War?” This I whispered, and an echo murmured back the word, “To Egypt you must soar!”- Merely this and nothing more.
Kuba you should look up a video called the real villian of the god of war franchise. I think it’s well put together and honestly a lot of It fits and makes sense.
I believe it was another pantheon. Odin found a way to access another universe by learning the secrets of the mask. Which could’ve opened us to Egypt, Japan, or the Celtic gods or even the Mayans. That’s my theory
I'm still new to the GOW stuff but I can't help but wonder if Odin was being setup. The knowledge he was promise would come in the form of a being trying to escape the other side taking over his body or whoever else wore the mask and gazed into the rift.
It's implied that the power or entity of the Higher Existence corrupted Athena when she ascended, and Odin see and heard something in the Rift, so probably the the two things are the same. I think the main villains of next saga will be Athena and The Higher Existence, with this power or entity like the true great villain (i don't think is Gnostic but something else).For Kratos will be the perfect final arc.
Maybe it's just me but something about the design of the mask being wood-like in nature with obvious signs of magic writing points my curiosity towards Celtic deities. I wonder if the Celtics realm would be the last.
That would fill the hole of why Athena suddenly go 180 on Zeus in GoW 3, that spirit is not Athena herself but rather something else, disguising as her and tried to trick Kratos doing it's bidding and failed.
@@KaptainKuba ok so if strength alone is the only thing you need them why couldn't kratos wield it? it's weird because when kratos tries to wield it he struggles but he swings the hammer around with the blades of chaos just fine.. so does this mean that Thor is physically stronger than kratos? god I love thor
There is a quote that says that " the blows Thor dealt to kratos were as heavy as any he had felt before " This powerscales Thor to be as strong as Zeus or more strong. Pretty insane.
@@ragnazebrudedge6236 I would hope Thor is as strong as Zeus because they're both god of the sky/thunder and they both have insane music that plays as you fight them and as a matter of fact as I'm typing this right now I have my god of war 3 remastered paused just before I get to fight Zeus lmaoooooooo 😛
@@Squishy246 Kratos didn't struggle to wield it.. Im Norse myth when the hammer is thrown it is supposed to be basically unstoppable.. And Kratos damn near stopped it when Thor threw it at him.. That just shows how strong Kratos is. That on top of the fact that both Odin and Thrud pick it up no problem. Kratos could absolutely pick it up if he wanted to.
So replaying gow 3 think about what weapon fake Athena gives Kratos. They are the blades of exile. The whole conversation between Kratos and Athena has double meaning
This theory ain't bad at all! Remember when "Athena" gave Kratos the Exile Blade in GoW3? Demiurge was the exile one too. Demiurge saw Kratos' life and it (to some degree) similar to his life, live like an outcast so that why "Athena" gave it to Kratos, use him to achieve Demiurge goal which is to obtain the power of "Hope"
The mask was a plant by someone. There's no other reason why the mask would lie and trick atreus into releasing garm. Somebody wanted him to do everything he did, including bringing fenrir back in hel
I too was thinking about Athena being behind the mask/rift. Mainly because the mask/rift had the same color palet as Athena and because you would expect her to have a bigger part in the story. If not then I think who ever puts on that mask will get a green face, yellow smoking and hat, and be able to create anything out of thin air.
Excellent theory, my friend. And Gnosticism always fascinated me, so I would absolutely love to see that. But to answer your question, why would the Demiurge want to be more powerful? Everyone or every thing with power always wants more power. Power and greed are damn near the same thing.
4:00 - That makes sense since she was purified of the greed of the Titans by hope. 5:25 - Last year, you said spirit was one of them. Where is spirit?! Also, Sophia is wisdom. You forgot to mention that. 8:00 - It was stated that she was exposed to the madness of the titans after her death. 9:15 - I don't think the Demiurge did anything before Ragnarök & the mask was his way of possessing a god & gaining a body to interact with the lower realm. My theories: 1. Hope was given by the Higher plane, but the mask was created by the Demiurge to possess people & interact with lesser beings. 2. Sun Wukong is the 1st to ascend, as both Buddhism & Taoism involve ascension, and he's both a Xian & Buddha. 3. The Demiurge & Monad are the final antagonists of the series. They're both evil in their own way. Monad/Yahweh/Allah wants control & self-worship, while Demiurge wants chaos & pandemonium. Athena, Thoth, Thor & others will help Kratos defeat both. 4. The next game will take place after Atreus retrieves the Giants. Either rogue gods of Hinduism, Shintoism & China kidnap giants on their way home & Sun Wukong makes Atreus & Angrboda his disciples, or All Father Kratos sends out Atreus on a diplomatic mission to the Celtic Lands, only to learn Dagda is invading The Roman Empire, an alliance of the Etruscan Civilization (rebuilt Greece), Egypt & Persia. Tyr tells of how benevolent the Olympians became after losing most of their worship & having to earn it back, so Atreus helps the leaders, Menrva (Athena's Etruscan counterpart), Horus & Ahura Mazda to defeat the Celtic invaders.
My theory is if he or Odin wore the mask, Odin would circumvent Ragnarok and be unstoppable. So it's best that the mask is not worn. But the mask wasn't destroyed, only absorbed. It's out there somewhere.
Hello Kaptain and all.The language in the mask is Ancient greek.A part of it says "To the land of fire and to..."I cant read the rest of it.If i had a full picture maybe i can.
Probably by beating the moon and unintentionally usurping Ra by ensuring the birth of Osiris, Isis, Horus, Seth, and Nephtys. Allowing the egyotian pantheon to progress since the we know from the myth about Sekhmet and Baste’s creation That Ra was getting old before he… ascended… to a higher… plane… hmm…
I cannot help but think they are intentionally using the Mask here as the Mask of Loki from the 90s Jim Carrey movie, as ridiculous as it sounds. There's just far too many similarities. Bear with me here. Both are wooden masks with odd green lights that are closely tied to Loki. There's NO record of such a thing from Norse mythology, the only source they could have pulled from is the storyline used by the 90s comic/movie. I think what they are going to do here is use this mask in future games as a Macguffin. I think Athena is still playing some roles here. I think somehow Loki/Atraeus is the one who created the Mask, via some sort of time travel in a future game tied to Athena. The mask gets broken and scattered throughout the Realms just how Atraeus found them in Ragnarok. I believe the Realm that Odin saw in the rift was either OUR realm (4th wall) or this "Higher Plane" (maybe the same thing?), and that Kratos and Loki are going to bring about the Apocalypse End Times as dictated in many ancient mythogies. What this Multi-Pocalypse would be intended to accomplish, I don't yet have a guess.
It can possibly be Valhalla it's also same as higher plan of existence just here warriors who died in honour goes and may be Thor would be there along with his sons
@@Warsm1th12 well its just that... *A MASK* theres no way anyone other than the writers that know what the mask actually means. The same thing happened to the youtuber cookingkratos he said "tHe riFt aNd mASk iS c0nNecTeD t0 tHe hiGheR exiSteNcE" and got called out on twitter FROM BRUNO HIMSELF. Bruno said "so when did the game confirm this" amd he deleted his tweet. Lol. People believe his theories bc he was right about odin being in a disguise but that was just luck. So again we dont know what any of it means. Only sms
I 100% thought that the mask was a poison chalice, and that why Odin kept encouraging Atreus is because Odin knew it would destroy whoever wore it. I expected Loki to lean on, then pop the mask onto Odin and push him in. Having it be legit was a letdown, I think.
I recokn on the other side of that rift exist something which binds together all the other mythogies that exist in the world and and subsequent meaning which can be derived from this.
The game creators confirmed Athena only got antagonistic after Kratos killed her, so she was never the villain people keep saying she is, she was trying to protect Greece and Kratos but after her death she somehow got corrupted
Corey Barlow has been hinting that christian god is behind everything and has been hinting at it since gow2 with the wall showing three men following a star.
6:57 BRAHMA DOESN'T MAKE SUCH SENSE TO BE IN THIS LIST, CUZ BRAHMA SHOULD BE LISTED IN THE POWERFUL BEINGS WITHIN A UNIVERSE. IN THAT PLACE THERE COULD BE TITANS FROM GREEK PANTHEON AND FIRST GIANTS FROM NORSE.
My theory about the rift under Odin's basement is that Athena probably broke open a crack in the reality in order to manipulate Odin into opening it up and cause some chaos trying to do so. I think Athena has always been manipulating Odin at the time when Kratos was coping with his trauma of destroying everything in Olympus. It probably took him 100 winters before he got to Midgard so there's that. And also Athena has been working behind the scenes for 100 winters trying to get Odin to find all the pieces of Loki's mask in order to crack open the rift even further.
I think we are going to get a lot of insight on higher plane of existence in the upcoming games. I think that is going to be the main focus going ahead.
@@KaptainKuba Yes and its implied that the power or entity of that realm corrupted Athena and the thing that Odin see and heard in the Rift probably is the same thing. Athena is probably just a puppet of this power or entity. You can make a video where you can explain who will be the future villain ( Demiurge or something else) , based on information we know, because i think the mind behind Athena can be some other entity.
@@vincenzoaquino8299 My personal theory is that the athena in god of war 3 wasn't really Athena, but demiurge in the form of Athena. Kratos and Athena knew eachother well, so it would make sense demiurge tried to get what it wants by shapeshifting to her. Same way demiurge tried to get what it wants by appearing as infinite knowledge to someone who longs for infinite knowledge. It remained the best chance to get what it wants.
@@Unkn4wN_TM My theory is that Athena is a sort of herald of this entity, who order her to destroy o trapped the Hope, the only power who can fight this evil.
Personally, I like to believe that in the GOW mythos, on planet Earth there are rifts in between the different pantheons, and these invisible rifts originate from the higher plane of existence (which is where the demiurge is contained by the Monac). These rifts act as sort of mythological containers and separators. Each rift hold the unique geography, creation myths, spiritualities, magics and pantheons of each mythology. (This could also be why the rules of the Norse pantheon might not affect Kratos or Atreus). { Pleroma > higher plane > rift > physical universe (earth) } When people expand in the name of their gods, they also expand the rift (and therefore influence and territory) of their specific mythology. This is why wars are fought between cultures, because each pantheon is trying to gain more territory and worshipers over other pantheons (this would be the demiurge influencing the physical world). But most gods of these different pantheons are ignoring the possibility of peace, diplomacy and cultural exchange. This could allow all of them to grow simultaneously and achieve enlightenment. This is could be why the Monac is collecting worthy gods who show selflessness and are sending them to the higher plane. However, some gods in the higher plane fall to the influence of the demiurge. (because of their new found power) like Athena. The higher plane of existence acts as a further test to see if the chosen gods are worthy of entering pleroma when the time is right.
Maybe Athena was inviting Odin to find a way to ascend to the higher plane of existence? Maybe she was testing him but also she expects him to fail in the end despite all his efforts.
Something I've been wondering lately is whether the Greek and Norse creation stories (as well as those of other lands) happen at the same time or if they happened separately from one another. If I recall, it's revealed in God of War: Ascension that the Greek world was created by the Primordials killing each other in a war, while the Norse world was crafted from Ymir's corpse by Odin after killing him. The God of War Wiki claims that Ymir (in addition to the Norns, Surtr, and Sinmara) are also Primordial beings in the Nine Realms. Whether or not Ymir & Co. are Primordials similar to Ouranos or Oceanos of Greece is, I feel, inconsequential-my main concern is whether the creation of the Nine Realms and Greece happened simultaneously because I've felt that for whatever reason the Nine Realms feel somewhat _younger_ than Greece. Not young enough that Kratos was around before the Nine Realms existed, but young enough that the Titans and Olympians would ultimately be an older pantheon than the Aesir or Vanir. I feel that it would be a bit weird from a lore perspective if that were the case, but from a real-world perspective, it would make sense given that the Norse mythology we know is much younger than the Greek mythology that's been handed down to us by the likes of Homer, Hesiod, and others. Another thought I've had is whether the mask, being wooden rather than metal or some harder material has any significance, including the language written on the mask that Odin needs Atreus to translate. Maybe it's connected to an even more ancient pantheon of deities, such as the theoretical one worshipped by the Proto-Indo-Europeans or another super ancient people group. None of this probably makes sense, but I'm throwing it out there anyway.
@@thefiveo344 Yeah, I said that. What I'm wondering is if the Primordials' war and Ymir's death happened at the same time or at different times, affecting how old each part of the world really is.
@@chansesturm7103 Norse could be older. The whole setting in GoW 4 and Ragnarok everything looks old and village-ish. Asgard looks quite classic while Olympus looks all fancy, advanced, hi tech magic stuff compared to Norse. Even Norse magic looks very old-like.
I think the main key point was that Ymir, the first being in Norse realm was murdered by Odin. Ymir being the first being of the Norse realms, likely had a deeper connection to the plane of Higher Existence. The crack in the realm was likely what remained of Ymir's connection to that plane. The mask and its fragments in different languages probably signified that the plane of Higher Existence is connected to all the different pantheons, along with Ymir who might have been the progenitor of not just the Norse pantheon but other Pantheons as well, probably known in other pantheons as a different name or entity.
Imagine if kratos saw the rift in detail and instantly connected the dots. He didnt see the rift properly or at all. I feel like that wouldve been enough evidence to get a good idea what it is
He was standing right by it when Atreus snapped the mask. He and Odin were both talking to Atreus about using the mask the moment before he snapped the mask
@@rhombo323 kratos was more focused on his son at the moment and the dust from the ground above collapsing was still dust in the air so it's hard to see. That's why I said he didnt see it properly at the very least just a faint glow.
@Greed God are you saying he'd connect the color of the rift with how Athena looked to him at the fall of Olympus HUNDREDS of years prior? Even if he was able to recall how she appeared in his nightmare in GoW 4, I think there's simply too little information for him to make that connection. Something much more overt has to happen, more than likely whatever sends him to the next pantheon of gods. Whatever that is would most likely be sporting that same color and then the rule of three kicks in and he'll begin to make his connections. If he's somehow able to keep Mimir with him, which I think may be possible while he'll definitely be forced to separate from Freya whenever he's sent to the next plane of existence.
@@rhombo323 that was a projection in atreus mind, remember the promise they made of hearing their voice in vad situations. Notice how when the camera moves and how kratos disappear after saying "I trust you son".
@@VenomtheOne Odin Said he Heard truths he couldn't understand, what If Atreus looked in there and actually understood It? Odin would be in major disadventage, especially considering he was planning to betray him
I uploaded a video theorizing the same exact thing 12 days ago, where I literally say the exact same things. What made you give in to this theory, Kaptain Kuba?
That would require actual work and development. SMS has become extremely lazy and self entited after the 2018 game and the rushed garbage that was ragnarok proved it. The lone last good studio also caving to making a quick buck.
@@peeturpain9379 I’ll agree that GOW 2018 was more enjoyable but in no way does this mean SMS put in no actual work. Bad writing does not mean mean less work was put into the game. They worked on this game for 5 years, they could have taken an extra year to make that last third of the game feel less rushed but I thought the game as a whole was fantastic.
Idk if there is a connection but seeing that mask made me think of the movie the mask, and in the movie, the mask gave the wearer the ability to basically shape reality at will
I would love this because evil Athena in gow 3 seemed put of nowhere. If it was actually an evil entity in disguise as the wise Athena, I’d feel as if the story was more thought out
It's the Ship Captain. He's been behind it all the entire time. When Kratos killed him, he was chosen.
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The Chosen One
“Not you again!”
Boy you on one right now. New theory!!
I was simultaneously both really disappointed and really appreciated the fact we didn't get to see into the rift it would be cool to get a glimpse of the higher realm but I like that they left it a mystery
Yeah I totally understand why it had to happen but also wanted to see lol maybe it's not the right time
@@KaptainKuba yeah I reckon we'll get a bigger look in later games hopefully
I was just disappointed frankly, don't spend 13 hours building something up if you're not going to do anything with it.
@@codafett yeah mate I get what you mean but I think they will expand on it in future games rather than just never revisit it ,they've built up the higher plain in too many different parts of the series from athena in the OG games and fallen god to just abandon it
@@Timbo__Slice Mate I'm getting old. Waiting 4 years for a new game once you're 30 stops being fun, I'd prefer to see it now.
Kuba, another BANGER. However, the interesting detail is that killing Ymir, a Creator God, was what led to the Rift being created. Maybe the Blades of Chaos, a Primordial weapon, can expand or create a Rift of it's own in the future? Blades of Chaos with Surtr's power + some Spark of the World magic, sounds like a good recipe to go back and kick Athena's butt! That would be sick!
kuba making better theory videos than jon making if the serpent we revived was not jormungander theory videos hell naw (just joking)
Ymir isn’t a creator god he’s a primordial being.
I think it maybe the only primordial weapon because the gods of the higer plane are most likely to be peaceful
@@AtelierGod Ymir created the first realms, and he was the first god. He was created from Gennungegopp (the primordial norse substance), so he was a Primordial God/creator god. i think you're arguing different ways to pronounce tomato tbh XD
@@omeramrani2274 we know too little to know for sure. All we know is Athena got there for a benevolent act but later turned a bit evil, so its probably not black and white.
I love how this man includes Athena in every theory
Cuz she scheming
It's very interesting!
Because Athena is left unexplained...
I feel like we'll see freyr again, maybe working with Athena, seen as how he sacrificed himself
@@tortellium3750 And thats why i love him putting athena in a lot of his theories
Faye pulled kratos into the light in the last game and showed him what atreus said right before they burned her. She was there. We were Faye the whole game and that's why kratos breaks the fourth wall and talk to the camera before baldur punches him over the house.
Also, I think Odin was putting something in the food while he was cooking as Tyr. Brok calls it dirt soup, but mimir says there is something special about the food and he can't stop thinking about it. I think there was magic and it didn't work on brok because he was missing a soul piece
well brok called it dirt soup as a reference to some optional dialogue where he's disgusted by the fact odin put vegetables in the soup
What do you mean we were faye the whole time in the 2018 game
@@bernainmolina7481 He means the camera perspective is Faye watching over them
@@HaiRune ohhhhh
So, GOW 4 is a 2nd person game?
This is the biggest GOW theory reach, and I absolutely love it. Keep up the the good work.
Fun fact: the writings on the mask consist of language such as Greek, Egyptian, and Japanese 😳😳😳
maybe kratos would be able to translate the mask,also it refers to the greek,egyptian and japanese pantheons
I mean what possible answer were people expecting the tear to provide? I really like that they kept it a mystery and as said Kratos said: "beware shortcuts to knowledge"
Itd basically be everything about the entire universe
Then we are different
I think it’s truly better to keep it for later
It fullfilled it’s rôle in this game by driving Odin and being a representation of Odin’s thirst for knowledge
It can have another role later
That’s like not reading a book because “it’s a shortcut “
@@dallaspowell6313 Bros just trying to sound deep lol
I think the mystery of the mask and the rift was really intresting. Really wanted to know more about it
Thanks for delivering King! With Ragnarök being the last of the Norse saga, we’ll definitely be focusing on the higher plane of existence in the next game, Kratos realizing the main problem is the gods above the gods
I like this theory! Sure hopes it goes in this direction.
Odin saw Stanley Ipkiss on the other side of the rift.
This would actually be sick to see for gow 6. Even though everyone expects Kratos to go to Egypt Santa Monica have had a knack for subverting expectations.
Hey a Greek Gods vs Norse Gods Tournament Video would be Dope ( I know Olympus Wipes the Floor with Asgard ) But still it would be Fun.
I heard a theory that the mask was from the Mayans because the Mayans did have masks like that plus there have been hints of Kratos going to the Mayan pantheon so it would kinda fit
Odin if he put the mask on: "Ssssssmokin' "
i know what the mask is. we’ve established the mask is of greek origin since the words atreas spoke are greek, specifically a mix of ancient and modern greek, if you zoom in on the mask you see a mix of greek letters as well as some that can’t be identified, linear A is the first recorded alphabet that has never been translated, it originated from the Mycenaeans. the mask is linked to primordials since the crack was created after the death of Ymir. primordials existed in both mythologies. since they can never truly die the mask it’s just a key that unlocks the crack, wearing it does nothing, odin lost his eye because of what Kratos said: there are no shortcuts to knowledge. it’s essentially pandora’s box, if all these check out, then that means that the mask was created by the greek gods and it allowed them to access the minds of the primordials. now why is it split? remember GOW ascensions? 3 furies, above the gods, that deemed it too powerful for them, and they hid it at places where the greek gods couldn’t find them… and all these predate odin since it is implied that the war between Aesir and Vaneir happened 200 years ago, previous to that odin had 300 years of peace. kratos is at least 1.000 years old, as he was in both the trojan war, and the battle of thermopylae. kratos couldn’t know the language as it predates even him, also he never took the time to examine it. i commented this theory months ago to multiple youtubers and the next day they uploaded videos saying it was their idea, however… i left out some crucial parts… i hope you enjoy it
I just want a theory video on why a god (Odin) has a receeding hairline
Man your theories are just incredible at this point they need to hire you as their writer
This reminded me of your old theories I love it.
This theory is based on the tiny amounts of information the series gave us, so it’s highly unlikely to be correct. However I wish it was because this sounds amazing
Great theory brotjer!🤘🏽🤘🏽
I'd love to see freyr in the higher plain finally getting to be a muse
I can only imagine an Asura's wrath level of boss fight for the last game in the GoW franchise
I can imagine Kratos fight Chaos at the end of the Series.
Hey I completely agree. I always said if the colors match it’s from the same source and it’s mad crazy that we saw Zeus in hel and everyone trumped it up to be the tricks of hel but what if it wasn’t and he was his Spector from that higher plain just watching him
Ymir might ascended to "Higher Plain of Existence" as riff existed after Ymir killed by Odin.
This is actually incredible and i hope they do exactly this
My fanfic is that Týr is actually Jesus. He traveled to other mythologies to meet them and spread his message of goodwil, that the Gods must try to be forces for the good. That would most likely influenced Athena which led to her ascension
I mean makes sense why he isn’t violent
@@venjustice6666 that was odin
@@aadeshkamble2107 ik but there was another one.
athena is for sure related to that mask specially with that green magic
These theory’s are the best 🔥🔥🔥
I'm wondering if higher plain of existence will be in Egypt GoW game if that one will ever realise.
Would like to see come back of Athena :)
Deep into that darkness peering, long Atreus stood there wondering, fearing,
Doubting, dreaming dreams no god ever dared to dream before;
But the Thor was broken, and the Odin gave no token,
And the only word there spoken was the whispered word, “God of War?”
This I whispered, and an echo murmured back the word, “To Egypt you must soar!”-
Merely this and nothing more.
Kuba you should look up a video called the real villian of the god of war franchise. I think it’s well put together and honestly a lot of
It fits and makes sense.
I believe it was another pantheon. Odin found a way to access another universe by learning the secrets of the mask. Which could’ve opened us to Egypt, Japan, or the Celtic gods or even the Mayans. That’s my theory
That intro is so cool
I dont care what people say The rift sounds like a minecraft nether portal
I'm still new to the GOW stuff but I can't help but wonder if Odin was being setup. The knowledge he was promise would come in the form of a being trying to escape the other side taking over his body or whoever else wore the mask and gazed into the rift.
Kratos vs the demiurge certainly sounds like an amazing head to head battle.
rip kratos
It's implied that the power or entity of the Higher Existence corrupted Athena when she ascended, and Odin see and heard something in the Rift, so probably the the two things are the same. I think the main villains of next saga will be Athena and The Higher Existence, with this power or entity like the true great villain (i don't think is Gnostic but something else).For Kratos will be the perfect final arc.
Maybe it's just me but something about the design of the mask being wood-like in nature with obvious signs of magic writing points my curiosity towards Celtic deities. I wonder if the Celtics realm would be the last.
That would fill the hole of why Athena suddenly go 180 on Zeus in GoW 3, that spirit is not Athena herself but rather something else, disguising as her and tried to trick Kratos doing it's bidding and failed.
would be fun to explain who could lift Thor's hammer and the requirements to wield it
I don't think there's any requirement like in the MCU in Gow you just gotta be physically strong to pick it up
@@KaptainKuba ok so if strength alone is the only thing you need them why couldn't kratos wield it? it's weird because when kratos tries to wield it he struggles but he swings the hammer around with the blades of chaos just fine.. so does this mean that Thor is physically stronger than kratos? god I love thor
There is a quote that says that " the blows Thor dealt to kratos were as heavy as any he had felt before "
This powerscales Thor to be as strong as Zeus or more strong. Pretty insane.
@@ragnazebrudedge6236 I would hope Thor is as strong as Zeus because they're both god of the sky/thunder and they both have insane music that plays as you fight them and as a matter of fact as I'm typing this right now I have my god of war 3 remastered paused just before I get to fight Zeus lmaoooooooo 😛
@@Squishy246 Kratos didn't struggle to wield it.. Im Norse myth when the hammer is thrown it is supposed to be basically unstoppable.. And Kratos damn near stopped it when Thor threw it at him.. That just shows how strong Kratos is. That on top of the fact that both Odin and Thrud pick it up no problem. Kratos could absolutely pick it up if he wanted to.
Odin's obsession over Infinite Knowledge from the Rift. It kinda reminds me of Darkseid's obsession to find the Anti-Life Equation.
So replaying gow 3 think about what weapon fake Athena gives Kratos. They are the blades of exile. The whole conversation between Kratos and Athena has double meaning
This theory ain't bad at all! Remember when "Athena" gave Kratos the Exile Blade in GoW3? Demiurge was the exile one too. Demiurge saw Kratos' life and it (to some degree) similar to his life, live like an outcast so that why "Athena" gave it to Kratos, use him to achieve Demiurge goal which is to obtain the power of "Hope"
The mask was a plant by someone. There's no other reason why the mask would lie and trick atreus into releasing garm. Somebody wanted him to do everything he did, including bringing fenrir back in hel
Im playing God Of War 6 already the mask is actually Jim Carreys !
Thanks for the spoiler 😂
I too was thinking about Athena being behind the mask/rift. Mainly because the mask/rift had the same color palet as Athena and because you would expect her to have a bigger part in the story. If not then I think who ever puts on that mask will get a green face, yellow smoking and hat, and be able to create anything out of thin air.
Hell of a theory. I like it
Excellent theory, my friend. And Gnosticism always fascinated me, so I would absolutely love to see that. But to answer your question, why would the Demiurge want to be more powerful? Everyone or every thing with power always wants more power. Power and greed are damn near the same thing.
3:31 i think i heard whispers from athena or from the sisters of fate or the oracle from gow1 because she was the narator of every gow
I will never get tired of kuba saying “what the helheim”
All those mysteries are more reasons I love the GOW franchise. 👍
4:00 - That makes sense since she was purified of the greed of the Titans by hope.
5:25 - Last year, you said spirit was one of them. Where is spirit?! Also, Sophia is wisdom. You forgot to mention that.
8:00 - It was stated that she was exposed to the madness of the titans after her death.
9:15 - I don't think the Demiurge did anything before Ragnarök & the mask was his way of possessing a god & gaining a body to interact with the lower realm.
My theories:
1. Hope was given by the Higher plane, but the mask was created by the Demiurge to possess people & interact with lesser beings.
2. Sun Wukong is the 1st to ascend, as both Buddhism & Taoism involve ascension, and he's both a Xian & Buddha.
3. The Demiurge & Monad are the final antagonists of the series. They're both evil in their own way. Monad/Yahweh/Allah wants control & self-worship, while Demiurge wants chaos & pandemonium. Athena, Thoth, Thor & others will help Kratos defeat both.
4. The next game will take place after Atreus retrieves the Giants. Either rogue gods of Hinduism, Shintoism & China kidnap giants on their way home & Sun Wukong makes Atreus & Angrboda his disciples, or All Father Kratos sends out Atreus on a diplomatic mission to the Celtic Lands, only to learn Dagda is invading The Roman Empire, an alliance of the Etruscan Civilization (rebuilt Greece), Egypt & Persia. Tyr tells of how benevolent the Olympians became after losing most of their worship & having to earn it back, so Atreus helps the leaders, Menrva (Athena's Etruscan counterpart), Horus & Ahura Mazda to defeat the Celtic invaders.
Love these theories, very entertaining and thought out
Didn’t even hesitate clicking on this video
6:52 no chaos created primordials
My theory is if he or Odin wore the mask, Odin would circumvent Ragnarok and be unstoppable. So it's best that the mask is not worn. But the mask wasn't destroyed, only absorbed. It's out there somewhere.
God of war(2018) takes place 150 years after GOW 3
What do you think we’ll see in future games?
Hello Kaptain and all.The language in the mask is Ancient greek.A part of it says "To the land of fire and to..."I cant read the rest of it.If i had a full picture maybe i can.
I think the mask is like the briefcase in Ronin. We’re never meant to know what it is
We need a "What's inside the rift?" DLC.
How did Thoth get to the plains of higher existence?
No one knows
Probably by beating the moon and unintentionally usurping Ra by ensuring the birth of Osiris, Isis, Horus, Seth, and Nephtys.
Allowing the egyotian pantheon to progress since the we know from the myth about Sekhmet and Baste’s creation That Ra was getting old before he… ascended… to a higher… plane… hmm…
To be fair many Egyptian gods are actually primordials but I’m not sure if Thoth is a primordial.
I cannot help but think they are intentionally using the Mask here as the Mask of Loki from the 90s Jim Carrey movie, as ridiculous as it sounds. There's just far too many similarities. Bear with me here.
Both are wooden masks with odd green lights that are closely tied to Loki. There's NO record of such a thing from Norse mythology, the only source they could have pulled from is the storyline used by the 90s comic/movie.
I think what they are going to do here is use this mask in future games as a Macguffin. I think Athena is still playing some roles here.
I think somehow Loki/Atraeus is the one who created the Mask, via some sort of time travel in a future game tied to Athena. The mask gets broken and scattered throughout the Realms just how Atraeus found them in Ragnarok.
I believe the Realm that Odin saw in the rift was either OUR realm (4th wall) or this "Higher Plane" (maybe the same thing?), and that Kratos and Loki are going to bring about the Apocalypse End Times as dictated in many ancient mythogies.
What this Multi-Pocalypse would be intended to accomplish, I don't yet have a guess.
It can possibly be Valhalla it's also same as higher plan of existence just here warriors who died in honour goes and may be Thor would be there along with his sons
This is some amazing conjecture, I agree with your thoughts. Learning about Gnosticism was also fascinating.
You guys always believe him. Even when he said the mask was greek. Lol. When its CLEARLY not
@@ihateshills ok genius what is the mask then?
@@Warsm1th12 well its just that... *A MASK* theres no way anyone other than the writers that know what the mask actually means. The same thing happened to the youtuber cookingkratos he said "tHe riFt aNd mASk iS c0nNecTeD t0 tHe hiGheR exiSteNcE" and got called out on twitter FROM BRUNO HIMSELF. Bruno said "so when did the game confirm this" amd he deleted his tweet. Lol. People believe his theories bc he was right about odin being in a disguise but that was just luck. So again we dont know what any of it means. Only sms
I 100% thought that the mask was a poison chalice, and that why Odin kept encouraging Atreus is because Odin knew it would destroy whoever wore it. I expected Loki to lean on, then pop the mask onto Odin and push him in. Having it be legit was a letdown, I think.
bro this theory is really deep.
great job man :)
I recokn on the other side of that rift exist something which binds together all the other mythogies that exist in the world and and subsequent meaning which can be derived from this.
I think Odin threw the realms off balance because of the power he seeks. I think that caused the rift to open
The game creators confirmed Athena only got antagonistic after Kratos killed her, so she was never the villain people keep saying she is, she was trying to protect Greece and Kratos but after her death she somehow got corrupted
Time for Kratos to get medieval on Athena.
What if faye is in the higher realm and shes influencing events to go against the demiurges plan.
Pretty sure that mask ended up with Stanley Ipkiss... if so then this Demiurge guy is just looking for a laugh
What if they were able to look through riff with the mask they would see Cory Barlog and the Santa Monica team.
The mask is greek so this kind of relates athena to the mask or the demiurge
Corey Barlow has been hinting that christian god is behind everything and has been hinting at it since gow2 with the wall showing three men following a star.
It would be sick if they do romans gods and we find out there just the resurrected greek gods
We are the Odin of Santa Monica, always trying to find more knowledge lol 😂
Kuba, do you think things will get crazy and get out of control in God Of War series in the future
Crazy as in more action? I hope so
@@KaptainKuba Crazy like the entire Norse pantheon to be erased with a snap of a finger from him
6:57
BRAHMA DOESN'T MAKE SUCH SENSE TO BE IN THIS LIST, CUZ BRAHMA SHOULD BE LISTED IN THE POWERFUL BEINGS WITHIN A UNIVERSE.
IN THAT PLACE THERE COULD BE TITANS FROM GREEK PANTHEON AND FIRST GIANTS FROM NORSE.
So you’re telling me God of War is basically headed into the JRPG direction.
God is War. - Judge Holden
I was hoping it would explain how Kratos got to the Norse realm
Am so waiting for this
i think odin saw the inside of santa monica studio.
My theory about the rift under Odin's basement is that Athena probably broke open a crack in the reality in order to manipulate Odin into opening it up and cause some chaos trying to do so.
I think Athena has always been manipulating Odin at the time when Kratos was coping with his trauma of destroying everything in Olympus.
It probably took him 100 winters before he got to Midgard so there's that.
And also Athena has been working behind the scenes for 100 winters trying to get Odin to find all the pieces of Loki's mask in order to crack open the rift even further.
Athena in GOW three wasn't the real Athena. That's already been pretty well established
I think we are going to get a lot of insight on higher plane of existence in the upcoming games. I think that is going to be the main focus going ahead.
Yeah Cory and Eric started that path with fallen god and this game
@@KaptainKuba Yes and its implied that the power or entity of that realm corrupted Athena and the thing that Odin see and heard in the Rift probably is the same thing. Athena is probably just a puppet of this power or entity. You can make a video where you can explain who will be the future villain ( Demiurge or something else) , based on information we know, because i think the mind behind Athena can be some other entity.
@@vincenzoaquino8299 My personal theory is that the athena in god of war 3 wasn't really Athena, but demiurge in the form of Athena. Kratos and Athena knew eachother well, so it would make sense demiurge tried to get what it wants by shapeshifting to her. Same way demiurge tried to get what it wants by appearing as infinite knowledge to someone who longs for infinite knowledge. It remained the best chance to get what it wants.
@@Unkn4wN_TM My theory is that Athena is a sort of herald of this entity, who order her to destroy o trapped the Hope, the only power who can fight this evil.
@@bauloprete3905 because the game has plenty of flaws. poor story for one, the main event being a total dud and being rushed through etc...
Personally, I like to believe that in the GOW mythos, on planet Earth there are rifts in between the different pantheons, and these invisible rifts originate from the higher plane of existence (which is where the demiurge is contained by the Monac).
These rifts act as sort of mythological containers and separators. Each rift hold the unique geography, creation myths, spiritualities, magics and pantheons of each mythology. (This could also be why the rules of the Norse pantheon might not affect Kratos or Atreus).
{ Pleroma > higher plane > rift > physical universe (earth) }
When people expand in the name of their gods, they also expand the rift (and therefore influence and territory) of their specific mythology. This is why wars are fought between cultures, because each pantheon is trying to gain more territory and worshipers over other pantheons (this would be the demiurge influencing the physical world).
But most gods of these different pantheons are ignoring the possibility of peace, diplomacy and cultural exchange. This could allow all of them to grow simultaneously and achieve enlightenment.
This is could be why the Monac is collecting worthy gods who show selflessness and are sending them to the higher plane. However, some gods in the higher plane fall to the influence of the demiurge. (because of their new found power) like Athena.
The higher plane of existence acts as a further test to see if the chosen gods are worthy of entering pleroma when the time is right.
Maybe Athena was inviting Odin to find a way to ascend to the higher plane of existence?
Maybe she was testing him but also she expects him to fail in the end despite all his efforts.
Monad*
@@chefboiardeeznutz9881 I think autocorrect changed it, but it is what it is.
Dream on
Something I've been wondering lately is whether the Greek and Norse creation stories (as well as those of other lands) happen at the same time or if they happened separately from one another. If I recall, it's revealed in God of War: Ascension that the Greek world was created by the Primordials killing each other in a war, while the Norse world was crafted from Ymir's corpse by Odin after killing him. The God of War Wiki claims that Ymir (in addition to the Norns, Surtr, and Sinmara) are also Primordial beings in the Nine Realms. Whether or not Ymir & Co. are Primordials similar to Ouranos or Oceanos of Greece is, I feel, inconsequential-my main concern is whether the creation of the Nine Realms and Greece happened simultaneously because I've felt that for whatever reason the Nine Realms feel somewhat _younger_ than Greece. Not young enough that Kratos was around before the Nine Realms existed, but young enough that the Titans and Olympians would ultimately be an older pantheon than the Aesir or Vanir. I feel that it would be a bit weird from a lore perspective if that were the case, but from a real-world perspective, it would make sense given that the Norse mythology we know is much younger than the Greek mythology that's been handed down to us by the likes of Homer, Hesiod, and others.
Another thought I've had is whether the mask, being wooden rather than metal or some harder material has any significance, including the language written on the mask that Odin needs Atreus to translate. Maybe it's connected to an even more ancient pantheon of deities, such as the theoretical one worshipped by the Proto-Indo-Europeans or another super ancient people group. None of this probably makes sense, but I'm throwing it out there anyway.
The maya maybe?
Ymir is a primordial being no? So his death created the lands in the Norse. Primordial battle in Ascension was what made the Greece area I assume.
@@thefiveo344 Yeah, I said that. What I'm wondering is if the Primordials' war and Ymir's death happened at the same time or at different times, affecting how old each part of the world really is.
@@chansesturm7103 I guess it happened either same or separate times until they’re gone and then after the whole wars the gods are the ones left.
@@chansesturm7103 Norse could be older. The whole setting in GoW 4 and Ragnarok everything looks old and village-ish. Asgard looks quite classic while Olympus looks all fancy, advanced, hi tech magic stuff compared to Norse. Even Norse magic looks very old-like.
I think the main key point was that Ymir, the first being in Norse realm was murdered by Odin. Ymir being the first being of the Norse realms, likely had a deeper connection to the plane of Higher Existence. The crack in the realm was likely what remained of Ymir's connection to that plane. The mask and its fragments in different languages probably signified that the plane of Higher Existence is connected to all the different pantheons, along with Ymir who might have been the progenitor of not just the Norse pantheon but other Pantheons as well, probably known in other pantheons as a different name or entity.
Imagine if kratos saw the rift in detail and instantly connected the dots. He didnt see the rift properly or at all. I feel like that wouldve been enough evidence to get a good idea what it is
He was standing right by it when Atreus snapped the mask. He and Odin were both talking to Atreus about using the mask the moment before he snapped the mask
@@rhombo323 kratos was more focused on his son at the moment and the dust from the ground above collapsing was still dust in the air so it's hard to see. That's why I said he didnt see it properly at the very least just a faint glow.
@Greed God are you saying he'd connect the color of the rift with how Athena looked to him at the fall of Olympus HUNDREDS of years prior? Even if he was able to recall how she appeared in his nightmare in GoW 4, I think there's simply too little information for him to make that connection. Something much more overt has to happen, more than likely whatever sends him to the next pantheon of gods. Whatever that is would most likely be sporting that same color and then the rule of three kicks in and he'll begin to make his connections. If he's somehow able to keep Mimir with him, which I think may be possible while he'll definitely be forced to separate from Freya whenever he's sent to the next plane of existence.
@@rhombo323 that was a projection in atreus mind, remember the promise they made of hearing their voice in vad situations. Notice how when the camera moves and how kratos disappear after saying "I trust you son".
The mask actually belongs to Jim Carrey.
Also isn't it strange how Asgards weakness was exactly where the rift appeared?🤔the same place that Ragnarok knew to stick his blade into?
In 2018 Mimir says that Odin gauged his eye while tripping on mushrooms. Is him losing his eye in the rift a retcon or him lying to Atreus?
That's the cool thing about Odin as a character. You really don't know when he's lying
@@KaptainKuba that reeks of plot hole damage control lmao
@@VenomtheOne Atreus asked Mimir about the version of the story that Odin told him, and Mimir told Atreus that Odin was lying.
@@zababy2760 And what would Odin gain on laying about THAT, in particular? Both of those routes lead to the same reason: gain of knowledge.
@@VenomtheOne Odin Said he Heard truths he couldn't understand, what If Atreus looked in there and actually understood It? Odin would be in major disadventage, especially considering he was planning to betray him
I uploaded a video theorizing the same exact thing 12 days ago, where I literally say the exact same things. What made you give in to this theory, Kaptain Kuba?
I was thinking it sounded familiar 😮
In an alternative realm, I'd love to see Odin or Loki putting the mask on and see what's inside that light. Just curiosity.... Cool video Kap!
That would require actual work and development. SMS has become extremely lazy and self entited after the 2018 game and the rushed garbage that was ragnarok proved it. The lone last good studio also caving to making a quick buck.
@@peeturpain9379 Get out of the comments toxic clown go disrespect someone else's work...
@@peeturpain9379 just be saying anything
@@UKGParadox honestly I agree w him. SMS played this game way too safe. Took no risks
@@peeturpain9379 I’ll agree that GOW 2018 was more enjoyable but in no way does this mean SMS put in no actual work. Bad writing does not mean mean less work was put into the game. They worked on this game for 5 years, they could have taken an extra year to make that last third of the game feel less rushed but I thought the game as a whole was fantastic.
Idk if there is a connection but seeing that mask made me think of the movie the mask, and in the movie, the mask gave the wearer the ability to basically shape reality at will
plus in the movie they say that the mask was owned by loki so…
I would love this because evil Athena in gow 3 seemed put of nowhere. If it was actually an evil entity in disguise as the wise Athena, I’d feel as if the story was more thought out
Athena is wise but Freya is wiser than her
Athena is Corrupted.
Wow i didn’t even think of that