In 2002 when the first Sam Raimi movie was released, I was a camera assistant working on Dark Angel, the last episode of which Cameron directed. Between set-ups, a crew member and myself were talking about Spiderman having just seen it that weekend. We suddenly hear Cameron behind us asking "is it any good?". We gave our brief opinion and he nodded then went very quiet. Finally he sighed and said, "yeah, that one still stings..."
Omg I also walked with James Cameron! I was the iceberg in Titanic and I remember I was talking about spiderman he he yelled from above and told me to STFU! He walked away and said: "I'll show them all I'll make Avatar"
Cameron's Spider-Man was also going to be R-Rated, with swearing, strong violence, and that scene of Peter and MJ atop the Brooklyn Bridge is a sex scene!
@Teth Adam Back then R-Rated Blockbusters were normal. For instance Total Recall (which is really violent) and Terminator 2. T2 and then True Lies were the most expensive films ever made at the time, and rated R!
Except for the fact Steve ditko came up with Spider-Man and a ton of other things that Stan Lee took credit for which people seem to conveniently overlook. Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko got screwed. But no one more than Bill finger on the DC side.
I thought Halle Berry played a perfectly unique version of the iconic female Marvel mutant superheroine Ororo Monroe aka Storm in the pre-MCU X-Men! I'm purely looking forward to see the MCU film reboot of The mutant heerone and goddess Ororo Monroe aka Storm and her fellow heroic X-Men members in future MCU films, specifically the 2022 Black Panther 2 MCU film! :D
@@srstriker6420 Yeah probably. Either that or a giant vacuum cleaner. Or some sort of storm that's so strong that he can't maintain structural integrity. But melting into glass and being shattered would probably be permanent, I imagine.
I would Love to see James Cameron’s Spider-Man (As Well as Tim Burton’s Superman Lives). But Im still happy We got Sam Raimi’s Spider-man Trilogy tho. Great Video, Man. I loved the Stan Lee Intro Video.
Honestly I agree James Cameron's Spider-Man movie as well as Spider-Man 4 from Sam Raimi with full control over the Spider-Man characters could have awesome
I didn't even know that Schwarzenegger was going to be in the James Cameron movie. I think he would have been a great Sandman, and it would have been awesome to see him and DiCaprio's Spider-Man fight each other.
@@davidjames579 *I'm pretty sure Arnold Schwarzenegger can still play an MCU film reboot of one of the many iconic archenemies and rogues of our beloved benevolent intelligent bright-eyed winsome web-slinging friendly neighborhood blue collar Marvel superhero Peter Parker aka Spider-Man, Doc Ock, in future MCU films, **#DavidJames**! :D It could be his ultimate comeback!* :D
Marvel did go bankrupt. The Nineties were hard times and they filed for bankruptcy multiple times. I believe only X-Men and Spider-Man kept the studio afloat.
Every time I imagined James Cameron’s spiderman, I imagined his cast members from his past movies in it, in a fake and real New York setting. I imagined colonial marines from aliens cast members as nypd
This cancelled project reminds me a lot of Batman Year One directed by Darren Aronofsky. Both movies showed to be so good and their potential was lost in the darkness.
Oh, Golan and Globus. "This title reminds me of a '50s monster movie. So let's turn it into that... because it reminds me of that." It's like they stumbled their way into owning a diamond mine, but then they up and decided to try and mine copper from it instead of the diamonds, for no other reason except that they were personally more familiar with copper.
I just randomly had the thought of a Leo DiCapiro black suit saga with Michael Biehn as Eddie Brock and some weird Alien-Esque Venom FX and smiled to myself.... ahh what could've been!
Dicaprio lies about not being that involved. He was involved enough for being on an add about the movie in a magazine. If I remember correctly, Catherine Hepburn was listed as Aunt May. I wish I kept it.
That was in a wizard magazine and was fake. I saw the same add as a kid and believed it till someone pointed out at the bottom of the add it said in small text something like "coming out never" or something along those lines. It also said nicky cox was to play mary Jane and it had green goblin also on the add which Cameron's spiderman didnt have the green goblin.
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Fox insisted on a lot of stupid ass decisions in those films. Rothman basically ruined just about every Fox Marvel project until Deadpool. Then ya got Avi Arad..🙄
This movie and Spider-Man 4 will be made before Avatar 2. Edit: Guys, this was a stupid and unoriginal joke about avatar 2's release date getting pushed back. Honestly, chill
I read the Cameron treatment, and I've always loved it. When I saw Raimi's film, I was surprised at some of the similarities taken from his outline. Sad he doesn't get more of a tip of the hat.
To bad it takes him half his life to complete a film hes a good director not great but good. Terminator 2 was badass but Avatar wasn't all the hype that people made it to be I remember watching it but I missed out on some parts honestly I didn't care about it and I'm sure I'm not the only one but the competition between Avatar and Endgame is far beyond ridiculous they had to re-release Endgame to surpass Avatar and it did but just recent Avatar was re-released just to beat Endgame so the toggle war between those 2 films was pathetic oh well
@@SupervoidCinema *But Hugh Jackman was theperfect choice to play the heroic X-Men and Canadian mutant man with adamantium steel -laced claws ,James "Logan " Howlett aka Wolverine! :D. But in Jesus name, we will have Marvel 's X-Men, our beloved and iconic mutant superheroines/superheroes such as Ororo Monroe aka Storm, Jean Grey aka Marvel Girl, Alison Blaire/Dazzler, Kurt Wagner aka Nightcrawler, Remy Lebeau aka Gambit ,Rogue, ,Scott Summers aka Cyclops, Dr. Hank McCoy aka Beast and of course Wolverine be rebooted, recasted, reinvented, reborn, and reintroduced in future MCU films in a a variety of beautiful positive ways, **#SupervoidCinema**!* :D
I could see a trilogy coming from Cameron back in the 90s. Part one would be Electro and Sandman. Part two would focus on Green Goblin and Doc Ock. Part three would have Venom and Carnage
Makes sense. The _only_ concept art for the movie was accompanied by a companion piece of Spidey in his symbiote suit, and Cameron _did_ admit he was a fan of Venom and wanted to feature him in a future movie.
James Camerons spiderman is a movie I've dreamt of seeing as a James Cameron fanatic he would have made it so brilliant man i can't believe Fox scured up his chance to make his version because who knows what kind of spiderman movie it could have been 🤔 but hey at least we got sam raimis one's
Almost asleep finally after a 16 hour shift, awaken abruptly to Stan Lee saying "hey how are you I'm going to talk about spidey"... Bro you gotta edit better than that holy shit. I am still shaking from that crazy ass jump scare.
While Cameron’s movie sounds interesting I am so happy that Sony decided to hire Raimi instead, if an independent team nowadays use modern tech and deep fakes to create what could’ve been that would be cool but in terms of what actually happened I’ll always choose the 2002 - 2007 trilogy every time
I would not want an independent team to use deep fakes. deep fakes are still super rough and even Disney can't pull it off in mellow situations without getting awkward and negative reception (Luke Skywalker in the Mandolorian). I'd rather them just have either different actors, or animation.
Great work! When growing up I used to buy the 'Wizards' comic magazine and, in one issue, they teased a painted poster of Camerons' movie with DiCaprio as Spiderman. Don't remember if it was before of after the cancelled deal... but it hyped me up back then!
Interesting documentary - thanks! Can't remember the source but I recall hearing that the 2002 Spider-Man film originally had its entire finale take place atop the World Trade Center, and some detail about a helicopter being held by webbing strung between the twin towers. Presumably those scenes were shot, as the film was in post-production when "09/11" happened, necessitating re-shoots. It would be interesting to see those scenes one day. It seems quite a lot of the Raimi trilogy had roots in the various un-produced treatments that Cameron and others had written previously. Much of it made it to the screen in one way or another, but it's a shame some good stuff was discarded - defeating Sandman by turning him to glass sounds pretty darn awesome; better than what we eventually got :)
@@mrawesome3915 Thanks! Found it, thanks to your info :) th-cam.com/video/A0CzaCMDYH0/w-d-xo.html Heard or read a description of it at the time, but I'd never actually seen it for myself. Looks like that teaser only played in cinemas for 3 weeks (Aug 22 - Sep 11) before being pulled.
Barney Cohen Worked on Part 4 Friday the 13th: The Final Chapter. A David Cohen worked on Part 5 Friday the 13th: A New Beginning. Anyway, decent video. Love Spider-Man thanks to the awesome 90's FOX cartoon.
Dude, the amount of detail and dedication you out into your videos is fucking outstanding. True fans of these movies and characters should watch your videos to get the full story of how long and hard it took for their favorite characters to get on the big screen.
This treatment sounds amazing. I'm more than happy with what we got but this was a delight to hear. I'm so happy I found this channel. The work and research is appreciated. The writing of the scripts and v/o work is exceptional.
Mentioning Neil Ruttenberg, nice! Though clips of what had interviewed him talking about Ant-Man and a pitch for a almost made remake of Them (1954) with Richard Donner were only two, I never intend to release more. But wonderful video btw. I like it.
I read the script and I gotta say, while I think there were problems, nearly ever scene he described in that outline had some amazing visuals and he wrote Strickland? for Arnold Schwarzenegger to play, and that was a lot of fun.
Another one of my FAV Supervoid Videos! Thank you so much for doing this. It's def very interesting to hear what could have been w/ some of my fav characters from the Marvel Universe. Chris Claremont and Jim Lee were some of my fav artists and creators and the X men had some incredible stories and comic runs in the Marvel comic universe.
@@sammybou1116 But Kurt Russell was already a Snake though (I don't think he would typecast himself as what he was already know for). Also, what should existed is a Metal Gear Solid film series with Jason Bateman as Solid Snake. On Cyclops... I wouldn't think Kurt Russell is ready enough to cut off his long mullet for the part, also he is under 6'0", not tall enough for Scott Summers.
I'd like to see James Cameron direct a future MCU movie or even a future Spider-man movie, I don't know if he'd do it or how much it would cost marvel/Sony to hire him (probably a lot) but one can imagine.
I was a freshman in high school when all the news hit about Cameron taking on Spider-Man. I remember being absolutely excited that the man that brought us T2 was at the helm. In hindsight though, I think better writers would have made the difference with Cameron directing, of course. But as time has gone on, I have realized that writing is not his strong point. That being said in the early ‘90’s that would have been the ultimate film. I also recall the rumors that Schwarzenegger was down to play Venom. It would have been interesting to say the least.
0:56 I always chuckle when Stan Lee talks about Spider-man, he says he's relatable because he's "not that successful with girls", and then over the years Peter goes on to date several top model level women
This is a great video to watch. I got to know more about the Spider-Man film I'm still working on. I'm being a bit lazy with it right now because I have a majority of it done, and this stupid COVID pandemic has me caught up with so many other priorities. I need to get my mojo back!
@@darkhall8227 Wikipedia is full of bad data because it relies on the public for it's editing. I just took a quick look at the page, and it's a mess. In the "Broadcast and home media release" section, someone has removed all of the broadcast information, and left only the home media release data. This series was eventually put into syndication, but that was many years after it's original broadcast on NBC.
As much as I love James Cameron (actually owning a Facebook group with 2000+ members ((and very proud)), I’m glad he didn’t make this because Raimi would have never happened.
I used to have a key ring, with Spidey's face. Around it were the words "Spider-Man," "James Cameron," "Leonardo DiCaprio," & "88." I got it around 89, and we knew, then, it was mercy for a canceled film. My great regret is that the plastic fob got stepped on. I still use the metal ring, tho.
@@taylorjeremy71 All I can tell you is that’s what it said. I don’t know where it came from, apart from the comic shop, and I bought it after the project was dead.
The 70s, the 80s and the 90s were crazy times. That comic books weren’t ready to be on the big screen. That Carolco Pictures, Fox and Universal and this studio and that studio were trying to get the rights to them. Angela Basset and Bob Hoskins and Leonardo DiCaprio and Arnold Schwarzenegger fan boy heaven. But thank god that Marvel is in the 21st century.
Top 10 Cancelled Movies That Need Their Own Feature Length Documentary 1. James Cameron’s Spider-Man 2. George Lucas Star Wars Sequel Trilogy 3. John Carpenter’s Creature From The Black Lagoon Remake 4. Guillermo Del Toro’s Doctor Strange 5. George Miller’s Justice League Mortal 6. Tim Burton’s Ripley’s Believe It Or Not 7. Jurassic Park 4 Human Dinosaur Hybrid Concept 8. Ghostbusters 3: Hellbent 9. Neil Blomkamp’s Alien 5 10. Peter Jackson’s Nightmare On Elm Street 6 The Dream Lover
That actor I wanted to see play Wolverine instead of Bob Hoskins and Hugh Jackman who both don't resemble the character. I wanted Keifer Sutherland to play as Logan. With Kit Harington as the MCU Wolverine.
Thanks for this video. While I liked Raimi's Spiderman, I must say, if it was directed by Jim Cameron, it would've definitely be in my all-time favorites list
You know what before Tobey Maguire Andrew Garfield & Tom Holland I mean back in the 80's that they should made a First Marvel's Spider-Man movie from the mid 1980’s like casting choice like Christopher Atkins as Spider-Man/Peter Parker Jennifer Runyon as Black Cat/Felicia Tina Louise as Aunt may Michael Caine as Uncle Ben Claudia Wells as Mary Jane Watson Don Murray as Jona Jameson Billy Dee Williams as Robbie Robertson Dustin Hoffman as Agent Nick Fury and Jennifer Beals as Black Widow & even the Bad guys like non outer late Raul Julia as Dr Doom late Andre the giant as The Rhino Mark hamill as the Green Goblin Frank Ashmore as The Lizard Michael Berryman as The Vulture & Gary Oldman as The Mysterio Even the Filmmakers like Directed by Sean S Cunningham Producer by Roger Corman executive producer by Stan Lee (before he pass away) & Albert Pyun Make up artists by Dick Smith Creature effects by John Carl Buechler Stop Motion animator by Phil Tippett special-effects technician by Greg Jein Visual effects by Richard Edlund production designer by William Sandell music by Wendy Carlos screenplay by Renny harlin Writer by Stanley Kubrick Professional stunt double by Jean Claude Van Damme & David prowse and now they call’ed it Roger Corman’s Spider-Man vs Doctor Doom (1985) from New World pictures and Association with Marvel predictions Ltd But this will be the first live action Marvel Superhero 🦸♂️ Movie 🎥 Called Spider-Man Vs Doctor Doom (1985) but the live action Marvel Movie 🎥 will be turn be a knock off of The Empire Strikes Back (1980) and Fast Times at Ridgemont high (1982) but unfortunately the 80’s Live Action Spider-Man Movie might be a low budget film 🎞 because it might be aired on cable tv 📺 network like on HBO and it will be from New World Pictures and Marvel Production Ltd Not Cannon Films!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They didn’t need to go complete werewolf horror movie, they could’ve done like the 90s animated series and shown Peter having a nightmare of becoming a spider monster, and that would make Peter think that’s what people saw when they looked at him as Spider-Man and why he would be so much hated by everyone.
A lot of if seems to have gone into the 2002 film. But I definitely would want to see it. Leonardo is such a cool casting choice for Peter. Maybe blonde Peter from Miles universe was a nod to this
In 2002 when the first Sam Raimi movie was released, I was a camera assistant working on Dark Angel, the last episode of which Cameron directed. Between set-ups, a crew member and myself were talking about Spiderman having just seen it that weekend. We suddenly hear Cameron behind us asking "is it any good?". We gave our brief opinion and he nodded then went very quiet. Finally he sighed and said, "yeah, that one still stings..."
Mmm... Jessica Alba
@@jgedutis bro.
@@jgedutis I guess critical mass is accurate about now.
Omg I also walked with James Cameron! I was the iceberg in Titanic and I remember I was talking about spiderman he he yelled from above and told me to STFU! He walked away and said: "I'll show them all I'll make Avatar"
Source: Trust me bro
Cameron's Spider-Man was also going to be R-Rated, with swearing, strong violence, and that scene of Peter and MJ atop the Brooklyn Bridge is a sex scene!
Lol
@Teth Adam Back then R-Rated Blockbusters were normal. For instance Total Recall (which is really violent) and Terminator 2. T2 and then True Lies were the most expensive films ever made at the time, and rated R!
In the script:
One of Spider-Man lines to both Electro and Sandman is "I'll kill you motherf#@kers! You g#@damn b#@tards!"
David James but it's spider man a friendly neighborhood spider man ;-; but thank you Sam rami not turning him to that violence man XD
David James Almost like Deadpool
RIP Stan Lee. You are missed and always will be.
Come on... Is old now lol
Erik Dahl it will NEVER get old
Except for the fact Steve ditko came up with Spider-Man and a ton of other things that Stan Lee took credit for which people seem to conveniently overlook. Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko got screwed. But no one more than Bill finger on the DC side.
allstarme3000 how does that have any thing to do with reflecting on the loss of Stan Lee?
@@allstarme-no8qb Lee as the editor and Ditko as writer and artist created Spidey together
Angela Bassett almost become Storm who is Black Panther's wife in the comics...... but then she become Black Panther's mother in the 2018 movie, lol
Arditeider 28
And Wesley Snipes almost was Black Panther before he went to be Blade. 90s were some crazy times lol...
Angela would have been the best Storm
She was too good to be n a comic book movie back then. Now she want that Marvel money know what I sayin
Well she did get to play former Black Panther's wife.
I thought Halle Berry played a perfectly unique version of the iconic female Marvel mutant superheroine Ororo Monroe aka Storm in the pre-MCU X-Men! I'm purely looking forward to see the MCU film reboot of The mutant heerone and goddess Ororo Monroe aka Storm and her fellow heroic X-Men members in future MCU films, specifically the 2022 Black Panther 2 MCU film! :D
Jesus that canon films idea was terrible
Ikr
Honestly, knowing Cannon and Tobe Hooper, I’d have loved to have seen it. I’d rather Joseph Zito’s though.
Which one? Oh.....all of them
Bro looks like koshikage yira
@@voltage4176 yep
Ooooo Sandman gets fused into glass? Niiiice. That'd be dope.
skonenblades that's the only thing that could kill him?
@@srstriker6420 Yeah probably. Either that or a giant vacuum cleaner. Or some sort of storm that's so strong that he can't maintain structural integrity. But melting into glass and being shattered would probably be permanent, I imagine.
skonenblades yeah, and since spider-man 3 sandman was the only surviving villain
Razh 80 on the sandman?
Sandmans hand in spider-man 3 was fused into glass
I would Love to see James Cameron’s Spider-Man (As Well as Tim Burton’s Superman Lives). But Im still happy We got Sam Raimi’s Spider-man Trilogy tho. Great Video, Man. I loved the Stan Lee Intro Video.
Honestly I agree James Cameron's Spider-Man movie as well as Spider-Man 4 from Sam Raimi with full control over the Spider-Man characters could have awesome
Roy C. Let’s petition for a 3D animated version of Cameron’s Spider-Man, Burton’s Superman and Joel Schumacher’s darker Batman 5 for Netflix.
And tim burtons batman continues
I didn't even know that Schwarzenegger was going to be in the James Cameron movie. I think he would have been a great Sandman, and it would have been awesome to see him and DiCaprio's Spider-Man fight each other.
I believe he was supposed to play Doctor Octopus
Michael Strong or maybe doc-ock
@Razh 80 Um... It's FLINT MARKO actually.
I'm surprised DiCaprio hasn't played a superhero yet.Yet he's of the successful movie stars out there.
@@davidjames579 *I'm pretty sure Arnold Schwarzenegger can still play an MCU film reboot of one of the many iconic archenemies and rogues of our beloved benevolent intelligent bright-eyed winsome web-slinging friendly neighborhood blue collar Marvel superhero Peter Parker aka Spider-Man, Doc Ock, in future MCU films, **#DavidJames**! :D It could be his ultimate comeback!* :D
I just love the fact that in a desperate attempt to keep Spider-Man, all the studios who went to war for the character went bankrupt. (xcept Marvel)
Arachnid Comics
Karma. Because they didn’t want to give Stan Lee his rightful dues.
Marvel did go bankrupt. The Nineties were hard times and they filed for bankruptcy multiple times. I believe only X-Men and Spider-Man kept the studio afloat.
Sony still has the rights to the character though 😏
Marvel did go bankrupt, they just managed to not be liquidated like the rest
Please get your facts right, Marvel did go bankrupt.
I shocked that no one consult spider-man creator, Steve Ditko
Steve Diko didn’t want to be bothered. He wasn’t interested in getting involved and mostly wanted to be left alone.
@@ArtTwinkApril I mean... after what Stan Lee did to him, I'd be pissed too.
Hungry Husky really?
Hungry Husky im being fr lol i know the guy but i dont know him personally
He went the way of Alan Moore only he became an Ayn Rand nut. Go figure.
Every time I imagined James Cameron’s spiderman, I imagined his cast members from his past movies in it, in a fake and real New York setting. I imagined colonial marines from aliens cast members as nypd
Teth Adam I was thinking of Goldstein and rolston as cops seeing spidey swing past them and I imagined apone as their chief
Bill Paxton as Sandman
Arnold Schwarzenegger was supposed to be Doc Oc too...
Teth Adam Lance Henriksen was actually going to play Electro with Biehn playing Sandman
This cancelled project reminds me a lot of Batman Year One directed by Darren Aronofsky. Both movies showed to be so good and their potential was lost in the darkness.
Oh, Golan and Globus. "This title reminds me of a '50s monster movie. So let's turn it into that... because it reminds me of that." It's like they stumbled their way into owning a diamond mine, but then they up and decided to try and mine copper from it instead of the diamonds, for no other reason except that they were personally more familiar with copper.
I just randomly had the thought of a Leo DiCapiro black suit saga with Michael Biehn as Eddie Brock and some weird Alien-Esque Venom FX and smiled to myself.... ahh what could've been!
Dicaprio lies about not being that involved. He was involved enough for being on an add about the movie in a magazine. If I remember correctly, Catherine Hepburn was listed as Aunt May. I wish I kept it.
That was in a wizard magazine and was fake. I saw the same add as a kid and believed it till someone pointed out at the bottom of the add it said in small text something like "coming out never" or something along those lines. It also said nicky cox was to play mary Jane and it had green goblin also on the add which Cameron's spiderman didnt have the green goblin.
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...and Bryan Singer wanted Angela Bassett for the 2000 X-Men film. But the studio insisted on Halle Berry.
SMH hold this L fox
Fox insisted on a lot of stupid ass decisions in those films. Rothman basically ruined just about every Fox Marvel project until Deadpool.
Then ya got Avi Arad..🙄
Cameron missed the part where that's his problem
The mandatory Stan Lee cameo at the begining is pure gold.
James Cameron's *"SPIDER-MAN"* is another example of unmade films that needs to get a graphic novel adaptation.
Kinda reminds me of a strange hybrid of the first X-men movie and Sam Rami’s Spider-Man. I like it.
Glitch Michaels Lord know what was going to be if Sam Raimi directed X-Men...
@Brandon Brooks Well, at the time when Batman & Robin came around, Raimi would’ve made them wear casuals like Wolvie’s white shirt & jeans.
This movie and Spider-Man 4 will be made before Avatar 2.
Edit: Guys, this was a stupid and unoriginal joke about avatar 2's release date getting pushed back. Honestly, chill
Which would be fine because nobody wants more avatar.
They've already done filming for Avatar 2 and 3, champ
@@InvisibleHotdog nope.
Because it's in the end Disney.
And they can give money
@@youtubersworldwide3713 ???
Avatar was overrated imo
Could’ve seen Arnold as Dr Octopus or Sandman for sure. Get Bill Paxton as J. Jonah Jameson and this could’ve been a great movie.
I heard stan lee was supposed to play JJJ
@@doraeguyakaneddie6586 Yeah. Stan Lee cast himself in the role when he wrote his outline.
Paxton would have nailed something like playing Norman Osborne
Burt Reynolds was Cameron's choice for JJ
This is really well produced. It was so engaging,never realized when 37 minutes passed.
Good Job man. Hope this blows up.
agree
I read the Cameron treatment, and I've always loved it. When I saw Raimi's film, I was surprised at some of the similarities taken from his outline. Sad he doesn't get more of a tip of the hat.
Great video. James Cameron is genius
@Brandon Smythe like an Astronaut
@Brandon Smythe fuck james cameron!!
I wouldn’t say James Cameron was a genius, he wasn’t even smart enough to write a good Spider-Man script
@AbdulAzeem Shaikh Yeah, the R rating kinda feels like a stab in the heart as a Spider-Man fan. I think that’s why I despise it mostly.
To bad it takes him half his life to complete a film hes a good director not great but good. Terminator 2 was badass but Avatar wasn't all the hype that people made it to be I remember watching it but I missed out on some parts honestly I didn't care about it and I'm sure I'm not the only one but the competition between Avatar and Endgame is far beyond ridiculous they had to re-release Endgame to surpass Avatar and it did but just recent Avatar was re-released just to beat Endgame so the toggle war between those 2 films was pathetic oh well
12:12 It took us nearly three decades but we got to see that idea realized on screen and boy was it a powerful moment.
I would LOVE to see that 90s Cameron/Bigelow X-men movie
Bob Hoskins as Wolverine would've been something special.
It would be so interesting for Bigelow to be hired for an MCU X-Men movie.
Katherine Bigelow would have been a really good choice for X-Men. She knows her way around ensemble movies and can do action.
@@SupervoidCinema I was a fan of Hoskins, he was one of my favourites as a kid, especially Who framed Roger Rabbit?
But Wolverine, I just don't see it
@@SupervoidCinema *But Hugh Jackman was theperfect choice to play the heroic X-Men and Canadian mutant man with adamantium steel -laced claws ,James "Logan " Howlett aka Wolverine! :D. But in Jesus name, we will have Marvel 's X-Men, our beloved and iconic mutant superheroines/superheroes such as Ororo Monroe aka Storm, Jean Grey aka Marvel Girl, Alison Blaire/Dazzler, Kurt Wagner aka Nightcrawler, Remy Lebeau aka Gambit ,Rogue, ,Scott Summers aka Cyclops, Dr. Hank McCoy aka Beast and of course Wolverine be rebooted, recasted, reinvented, reborn, and reintroduced in future MCU films in a a variety of beautiful positive ways, **#SupervoidCinema**!* :D
I could see a trilogy coming from Cameron back in the 90s.
Part one would be Electro and Sandman.
Part two would focus on Green Goblin and Doc Ock.
Part three would have Venom and Carnage
If that were the case part 3 should be Rated R.
Mejor segunda doc ock y misterio
Y tercera green goblin venom
Makes sense. The _only_ concept art for the movie was accompanied by a companion piece of Spidey in his symbiote suit, and Cameron _did_ admit he was a fan of Venom and wanted to feature him in a future movie.
Arnold would've been perfect for Sandman, and Electro would of course have to be played by Michael Biehn.
I heard it was Biehn as Sandman, Lance Henriksen as Electro, and Arnold in talks for Doctor Octopus
I'd love to see a serious and bad Arnold. Damn.
The more I learn about production issues, the more I'm convinced that many movies would benefit from not having any producers at all.
That Stan Lee intro just put the most gigantic smile on my face. Just made my day with that little 2 minute clip
James Camerons spiderman is a movie I've dreamt of seeing as a James Cameron fanatic he would have made it so brilliant man i can't believe Fox scured up his chance to make his version because who knows what kind of spiderman movie it could have been 🤔 but hey at least we got sam raimis one's
Almost asleep finally after a 16 hour shift, awaken abruptly to Stan Lee saying "hey how are you I'm going to talk about spidey"... Bro you gotta edit better than that holy shit. I am still shaking from that crazy ass jump scare.
While Cameron’s movie sounds interesting I am so happy that Sony decided to hire Raimi instead, if an independent team nowadays use modern tech and deep fakes to create what could’ve been that would be cool but in terms of what actually happened I’ll always choose the 2002 - 2007 trilogy every time
I would not want an independent team to use deep fakes. deep fakes are still super rough and even Disney can't pull it off in mellow situations without getting awkward and negative reception (Luke Skywalker in the Mandolorian). I'd rather them just have either different actors, or animation.
Great work! When growing up I used to buy the 'Wizards' comic magazine and, in one issue, they teased a painted poster of Camerons' movie with DiCaprio as Spiderman. Don't remember if it was before of after the cancelled deal... but it hyped me up back then!
Interesting documentary - thanks! Can't remember the source but I recall hearing that the 2002 Spider-Man film originally had its entire finale take place atop the World Trade Center, and some detail about a helicopter being held by webbing strung between the twin towers. Presumably those scenes were shot, as the film was in post-production when "09/11" happened, necessitating re-shoots. It would be interesting to see those scenes one day.
It seems quite a lot of the Raimi trilogy had roots in the various un-produced treatments that Cameron and others had written previously. Much of it made it to the screen in one way or another, but it's a shame some good stuff was discarded - defeating Sandman by turning him to glass sounds pretty darn awesome; better than what we eventually got :)
That WTC scene was used in the early teaser trailer, Summer of '01.
@@mrawesome3915 Thanks! Found it, thanks to your info :)
th-cam.com/video/A0CzaCMDYH0/w-d-xo.html
Heard or read a description of it at the time, but I'd never actually seen it for myself. Looks like that teaser only played in cinemas for 3 weeks (Aug 22 - Sep 11) before being pulled.
th-cam.com/video/JMG5Td1839k/w-d-xo.html
I found this as well, I’m assuming this is what you’re referring to?
Arnold Schwarzenegger as J Jonah Jameson! 😂
*Iah wanth Spaidarmaaaan* 😂😂😂😂
Nah he was Dock Ock
I'll be back soon - 😎🐙
He would have played Sandman.
"Get mei photos ovf Spidah Mahn"
Lol I wouldn't want to see the movie, but a 5min sketch starring Arnie as Jameson would be priceless
Well Arnie does smoke cigars, so yeah I could see it .
Imagine how epic this film would've been, particularly with Cameron as both writer and director!
Barney Cohen Worked on Part 4 Friday the 13th: The Final Chapter. A David Cohen worked on Part 5 Friday the 13th: A New Beginning. Anyway, decent video. Love Spider-Man thanks to the awesome 90's FOX cartoon.
Yes! I caught that too. Was driving me nuts. Thanks for clearing the air.
Spider Man animated series is the best adaptation just like Batman animated series is the best for the Caped Crusader.
Dude, the amount of detail and dedication you out into your videos is fucking outstanding.
True fans of these movies and characters should watch your videos to get the full story of how long and hard it took for their favorite characters to get on the big screen.
Cameron’s Aquaman would’ve been Epic!!🌊🦈🔱
This one and "The Bride" crow sequel hurts the most. A Jim Cameron Spiderman with Leo and Arnold would have been incredible. I love your channel!
This treatment sounds amazing. I'm more than happy with what we got but this was a delight to hear. I'm so happy I found this channel. The work and research is appreciated. The writing of the scripts and v/o work is exceptional.
Mentioning Neil Ruttenberg, nice! Though clips of what had interviewed him talking about Ant-Man and a pitch for a almost made remake of Them (1954) with Richard Donner were only two, I never intend to release more. But wonderful video btw. I like it.
Cheers, I really love your channel.
Imagine Him Doing A Remake Of Mothra
Yeah
I read the script and I gotta say, while I think there were problems, nearly ever scene he described in that outline had some amazing visuals and he wrote Strickland? for Arnold Schwarzenegger to play, and that was a lot of fun.
Another one of my FAV Supervoid Videos! Thank you so much for doing this. It's def very interesting to hear what could have been w/ some of my fav characters from the Marvel Universe. Chris Claremont and Jim Lee were some of my fav artists and creators and the X men had some incredible stories and comic runs in the Marvel comic universe.
How cool would it be to jump into an alternate dimension to watch an 80s big budget Spiderman movie?
I'm not gonna lie, I would love to see an animated film of the James Cameron Spider-Man script and the Superman lives.
Heard about this years ago, would've been interesting to see.
Now I really want the sam rami Spider-Man 4 comic
Great video! Your editing is top notch.
Cheers! Thanks a lot!
always thought Kurt Russel could've played wolverine back then
Good call
it's because of Russell's role
as Snake Plissken, right?
@@KenMasters. He could of legit played Snake in a 90s Metal Gear Solid film.
He would of been pitch perfect for Cyclops in a 80s X-Men film too.
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But Kurt Russell was already a Snake though (I don't think he would typecast himself as what he was already know for). Also, what should existed is a Metal Gear Solid film series with Jason Bateman as Solid Snake.
On Cyclops... I wouldn't think Kurt Russell is ready enough to cut off his long mullet for the part, also he is under 6'0", not tall enough for Scott Summers.
I agree or Mel gibson would of killed it too Kurt russel probably could of been a white nick fury
Its hard to imagine what this may have been like, but it would almost certainly been worth watching today.
Nah.. Sam Raimis version is better. Its best when they focus on only 1 villain and Peter Parker.
Tom is that's fact
The one villain idea actually sucked though.
It's Hard to pull off but not impossible
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What's hard to pull off?
@@KenMasters. multiple villains, it is usually kinda Hard to juggle multiple antagonists, but it isent impossible if done right
Cameron is a great film maker, his Spider-Man definitely would've been good.
We never know would we?
Cameron's spiderman would've been epic.
It wasn’t even Spider-Man, but okay.
@@RedShirtShaggy is a little bit a dark wird version of Spiderman but definitely sounds dope
Stan Lee: I Need A Hero Idea...
That Fly: Here We GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
"You don't here Batman getting called Batty"
*The Joker has entered the chat*
The fact that this video opened with Stan Lee talking made my day.
That fkn intro is so deep, great editing overall man. Rip stan the man 🖤
Bob Hoskins as Wolverine...sounds like an idea that It's Always Sunny would come up with.
You deserve way more subs man. Your content rules.
T2's Eddie Furlong would have been a good choice for an early 90s Spidey.
That introduction of Stan Lee was bloody genius
These videos are long but great info. Great job!
Damn, Stan had that speech rehearsed so well even way back then. No wonder he almost believed it.
I'd like to see James Cameron direct a future MCU movie or even a future Spider-man movie, I don't know if he'd do it or how much it would cost marvel/Sony to hire him (probably a lot) but one can imagine.
Seeing him do X-Men would be interesting
I was a freshman in high school when all the news hit about Cameron taking on Spider-Man. I remember being absolutely excited that the man that brought us T2 was at the helm. In hindsight though, I think better writers would have made the difference with Cameron directing, of course. But as time has gone on, I have realized that writing is not his strong point. That being said in the early ‘90’s that would have been the ultimate film. I also recall the rumors that Schwarzenegger was down to play Venom. It would have been interesting to say the least.
0:56 I always chuckle when Stan Lee talks about Spider-man, he says he's relatable because he's "not that successful with girls", and then over the years Peter goes on to date several top model level women
This is a great video to watch. I got to know more about the Spider-Man film I'm still working on. I'm being a bit lazy with it right now because I have a majority of it done, and this stupid COVID pandemic has me caught up with so many other priorities. I need to get my mojo back!
Great video, you are a true believer!
The animated Spider-Man 1981-82 was not syndicated. It aired on NBC before Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends.
I think that is what it says on wiki that it was syndicated it also says it on other websites
@@darkhall8227 Wikipedia is full of bad data because it relies on the public for it's editing. I just took a quick look at the page, and it's a mess. In the "Broadcast and home media release" section, someone has removed all of the broadcast information, and left only the home media release data. This series was eventually put into syndication, but that was many years after it's original broadcast on NBC.
@@WyldstaarStudios spider-man 81 was really good for the time
As much as I love James Cameron (actually owning a Facebook group with 2000+ members ((and very proud)), I’m glad he didn’t make this because Raimi would have never happened.
I used to have a key ring, with Spidey's face. Around it were the words "Spider-Man," "James Cameron," "Leonardo DiCaprio," & "88." I got it around 89, and we knew, then, it was mercy for a canceled film. My great regret is that the plastic fob got stepped on. I still use the metal ring, tho.
That's excellent.
When DiCaprio was 14? He was 22 in '96 Titanic and looked like a baby. I'd buy that he was attached to the project post 90 but not as early as '88.
@@taylorjeremy71 All I can tell you is that’s what it said. I don’t know where it came from, apart from the comic shop, and I bought it after the project was dead.
32:35 we just gonna ignore that editing?
R.I.P. Stan Lee, what a way to start this vid, great vid, thanks
Very entertaining video, watched it from start to finish and subbed!
Thanks a lot, much appreciated!
Your Videos are the Best!! Thanks 🙏!!!!!
The 70s, the 80s and the 90s were crazy times. That comic books weren’t ready to be on the big screen. That Carolco Pictures, Fox and Universal and this studio and that studio were trying to get the rights to them. Angela Basset and Bob Hoskins and Leonardo DiCaprio and Arnold Schwarzenegger fan boy heaven. But thank god that Marvel is in the 21st century.
Top 10 Cancelled Movies That Need Their Own Feature Length Documentary
1. James Cameron’s Spider-Man
2. George Lucas Star Wars Sequel Trilogy
3. John Carpenter’s Creature From The Black Lagoon Remake
4. Guillermo Del Toro’s Doctor Strange
5. George Miller’s Justice League Mortal
6. Tim Burton’s Ripley’s Believe It Or Not
7. Jurassic Park 4 Human Dinosaur Hybrid Concept
8. Ghostbusters 3: Hellbent
9. Neil Blomkamp’s Alien 5
10. Peter Jackson’s Nightmare On Elm Street 6 The Dream Lover
If i had a time stone i would use it to see Jim Cameron's Spider Man
I remember hearing about Minot and Golon never reading the comics and thinking Spiderman was like The Fly or something
This is my favourite TH-cam channel now.
That's excellent, cheers!
@@SupervoidCinema the analysis is very good.
No one ever talks about Cameron's 'True Lies'. Now THAT's a great action movie!
This raises the question......would the damn door have been fixed?
I would kill to see this film.
Great videos man! I love all the clips you dig up.
Stan Lee...what a soul
I would love 💘❤💕😍 to see James Cameron's version, as I'm a big James Cameron fan, as much I love 💘❤💕💗💙💘 the Sam Rami version.
#SpidermanNoWayHome.
Amazing video man.
Bob Hoskins as Wolverine? I can't help but turn my nose up when I hear that, after seeing Jackman in the role.
That actor I wanted to see play Wolverine instead of Bob Hoskins and Hugh Jackman who both don't resemble the character.
I wanted Keifer Sutherland to play as Logan.
With Kit Harington as the MCU Wolverine.
Mel Gibson
Oh Stanley! how i miss you!
Thanks for this video. While I liked Raimi's Spiderman, I must say, if it was directed by Jim Cameron, it would've definitely be in my all-time favorites list
Spider-Man: Please, I don't want to go Mr Cameron!
So weird that Cameron was a huge fan yet made up the character of Strand instead of just using Electro
RIP Stan Lee.
You know what before Tobey Maguire Andrew Garfield & Tom Holland I mean back in the 80's that they should made a First Marvel's Spider-Man movie from the mid 1980’s like casting choice like Christopher Atkins as Spider-Man/Peter Parker Jennifer Runyon as Black Cat/Felicia Tina Louise as Aunt may Michael Caine as Uncle Ben Claudia Wells as Mary Jane Watson Don Murray as Jona Jameson Billy Dee Williams as Robbie Robertson Dustin Hoffman as Agent Nick Fury and Jennifer Beals as Black Widow & even the Bad guys like non outer late Raul Julia as Dr Doom late Andre the giant as The Rhino Mark hamill as the Green Goblin Frank Ashmore as The Lizard Michael Berryman as The Vulture & Gary Oldman as The Mysterio Even the Filmmakers like Directed by Sean S Cunningham Producer by Roger Corman executive producer by Stan Lee (before he pass away) & Albert Pyun Make up artists by Dick Smith Creature effects by John Carl Buechler Stop Motion animator by Phil Tippett special-effects technician by Greg Jein Visual effects by Richard Edlund production designer by William Sandell music by Wendy Carlos screenplay by Renny harlin Writer by Stanley Kubrick Professional stunt double by Jean Claude Van Damme & David prowse and now they call’ed it Roger Corman’s Spider-Man vs Doctor Doom (1985) from New World pictures and Association with Marvel predictions Ltd But this will be the first live action Marvel Superhero 🦸♂️ Movie 🎥 Called Spider-Man Vs Doctor Doom (1985) but the live action Marvel Movie 🎥 will be turn be a knock off of The Empire Strikes Back (1980) and Fast Times at Ridgemont high (1982) but unfortunately the 80’s Live Action Spider-Man Movie might be a low budget film 🎞 because it might be aired on cable tv 📺 network like on HBO and it will be from New World Pictures and Marvel Production Ltd Not Cannon Films!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The were-spider actually sounds great. Really does. Even if it turned out to be trash it for sure would be better than Citizen Kane at the very least.
They didn’t need to go complete werewolf horror movie, they could’ve done like the 90s animated series and shown Peter having a nightmare of becoming a spider monster, and that would make Peter think that’s what people saw when they looked at him as Spider-Man and why he would be so much hated by everyone.
A lot of if seems to have gone into the 2002 film. But I definitely would want to see it. Leonardo is such a cool casting choice for Peter. Maybe blonde Peter from Miles universe was a nod to this