Zack and some of the other smart people at Warner Bros. were planning to introduce the other characters in their own solo movies but after the disaster that was Warner Bros' 3 year bankruptcy famine...Warner Bros. became insanely desperate and began pressuring the HELL out of the DCEU creators to throw out the major team movies instead in order to catch up with Marvel Studios and it's MCU.
@@flightofthebumblebee9529 it was medicore,i like mos bvs way more.it just feel unfinished and not what it meant to be.fuck wb ,even bvs was fucked up by them.only mos was 100% snyder,and that shows
@Snehil Shrey Superman Lois and Clark is very good and i like how grounded the character is yes he is a superhero but also there is that responsibility about being a parent who's children have powers. plus general lane lectures. that he cant be two people. plus the coming together of General zods Kryptonian gang on earth. p
@@danielkeller1337 how can you no if hes good or not if you don't watch the show? I thought he was all wrong from watching supergirl but he's character is alot better in his own show and so much more like superman but with a modern take. Cavill still the best physical representation of superman tho
I can’t help but feel bad for Henry. He’s always great and has amazing screen presence, he’s a great Superman but I hope he finds success outside of it, at least he has The Witcher but hopefully he branches out into other properties too.
@@omeka1080 Being honest guy has presence, but his acting skills are not as good as people seems to believe they are. His Witcher is kinda wooden and grumpy + that cringe "mhmmm" taken straight out from the games xD (which happens dozen of years AFTER the books that Netflix is basing on their "show"). Superman? He looked fine, he was solid in role, but well, writing and dialogues didn't give him enough space to shine. Too sad for him that Snyder didn't receive enough creative freedom to make MoS2 as he planned, but forced by WB to "catch up to Marvel" with BvS.
@@vineetdesai6396 Nope ;) Back then I was keeping an eye on every single leak of information. After MoS premiered in interviews Snyder said that he would like to make sequel. When he was PUSHED to make bigger movie, Avenger like, he decided to make BvS - it was never his idea as a priority.
I'm convinced Man of Steel wasn't originally made to be the start of a massive superhero universe. Cos that was being made before The Avengers came out, before every studio was desperate to do their own shared universe. I think Man of Steel, like Russell Crowe said, was originally supposed to be followed by Man of Steel 2, and would've probably ended up being a Dark Knight-style Superman trilogy. Cos Man of Steel was definitely molded off the TDK trilogy's tone and marketing; with Nolan's involvement, the realistic aesthetic and even similar title fonts. Cos watching Man of Steel, you don't really get the sense it's set in a big comic world. It's a Black Hawk Down-style Superman movie where he feels like the only extraordinary thing in that world. Cos Man of Steel has a couple blink-and-you'll-miss-them easter eggs for Bruce Wayne and Lex Luthor, but they weren't in your face. And then Batman v Superman was like "BATMAN! WONDER WOMAN! THE FLASH! AQUAMAN! DARKSEID FUTURE! TIME TRAVEL!". It felt really removed from the world of Man of Steel and went 0-60 overnight in terms of making it a world of gods. I think after The Avengers came out in 2012 the studio were like "Forget Man of Steel 2, we want other big superheroes and a team-up now!"
thats what zack snyder has said in multiple interviews bvs was never his idea he wanted to do man of steel 2 with brainic doomsday or kryptonians from phantom zone whole bvs was a attempt by DC to make a JL movie asap
This is exactly how it was. WB saw the huge success Marvel had. They wanted to replicate the success but didn't take their time in planning and developing the stories. I really wish they had found their own version of Kevin Feige. Someone who knew the material and took his time to strategize and bring in the right pieces for cultivating an extended universe. I've always loved Superman, I really hope WB will soon get their act together and give us a great Superman story. Kind of like how they just gave us a great Batman story. Forget an extended universe. Just concentrate on giving us a quality Superman story.
@@tomwells8093 I agree with pretty much everything apart from "bad reviews from Disney-owned media". Critics weren't paid to dislike it, and it actually got a good reception compared to Batman v Superman. Man of Steel was just a mixed bag for a lot of reviewers so it got mixed reviews. And I can appreciate a lot of the filmmaking aspects of it in hindsight, but I don't think the screenplay was very well put together.
@@R1ch4d8 That's pretty much Snyder's career in a nutshell. Dude can certainly put together a visually appeasing film, but he is not the best at storytelling.
Being a Superman fan is painful. They always try to change stuff. They need to leave him alone. Superman has worked for decades as it was. Too many cooks in the kitchen trying to get as much money as possible...
Modern Warner Bros. Is the worst thing to happen to DC. When directors like Chris Nolan say bad things about the studio and they start to lose talent to replace with trash, it’s clear a change is needed.
Exactly how I felt. The writer and director didn’t give him enough dialogue in their movies. I put it on them now, and like Cavill in other stuff a lot.
Henry Cavill seems like the perfect guy to play Superman and as a fan of the character myself, it kinda sucks the guy is seemingly never gonna come back. For all it’s problems, I think Man of Steel had a solid foundation that a sequel could expand and improve upon and give fans Superman’s lovable and heroic self. Here’s hoping Cavill gets to dawn the cape again someday.
This is the best review on the Snyder,MoS,and the DCEU I’ve ever seen. I mean it’s non biased and isn’t just some fanboy going “it’s not marvel so it’s bad”! over and over again. Thankyou.
I’m also happy that it’s not “it’s not marvel so it’s good!” Over and over again. He’s not one of the biased channels that prefer the less popular thing
People might not agree with me, but I believe Superman: Man of Tomorrow, the 2020 animated film, is something studios should look up to, it plays a lot with the whole Superman and DC mythos and modernizes Clark Kent while staying true to the character, in less than an hour and a half, yet at the same time, it tells an intimate story about Superman's first days in Metropolis. Even Lobo and Lex Luthor get their time to shine, and Parasite's story is very compelling, as his transformation progressively deprives him of his humanity and cannot face his own family anymore. I'd say it's my favourite Superman movie.
getting thrown through buildings.... destroying property... didn't stop to save the citizens that stood there like idiots..... i wonder... what people would have thought of man of steel if Snyder hadn't directed it..... i've watched quite a bit of superman media and things always get destroyed ..... but that Zack is the devil right?
@@caliginousmoira8565 I think the destruction is just one aspect of what people dislike about his movies. Man of tomorrow has some but no where near as much as MoS. Personally I don’t care regardless, but it’s plain and simple. People had a lot off issues with Snyder’s movies, with that just being an aspect of it all.
@@nizarhadeli9104 to be fair that happens in the comics alot too where suddenly superman foregets collateral damage is still a thing when refering to buildings i mean he clears out at least two blocks every time he fights a brute villian like solomon grundy
A moment of silence for these cancelled DCEU movies: -Green Lantern Corps -Justice League Dark -Cyborg -The Batman -Birds of Prey (sans Harley) -New Gods
@Snehil Shrey Originally, the BOP film we ended up getting started life as a Gotham City Sirens movie with a cameo of the Birds of Prey, which would have led to a BOP-led spinoff featuring Batgirl; however, Barbara was then replaced by Harley after plans for a Batgirl solo movie were announced.
@@captainjakemerica4579 There was a point where the Birds of Prey movie was just going to feature Batgirl, Black Canary, and Huntress. Harley would have rather been the main character in a Gotham City Sirens movie, which would have featured the BOP as supporting characters.
You are my go-to channel when it comes to failed superhero movies(particularly those with completed script and plot drafts) bc you have the best and most thorough narration of the plot from start to finish, the closest thing to being able to see the failed superhero movies materialize
Watching this after the confirmation of henry cavill is finally back to wear the cape again had me so speechless. He is the best SUPERMAN actor for me. and ohhh super void cinema you should make a part 2 of this with HENRY CAVILL now coming back as superman again. We love to see it.
I'd love to see Henry Cavill as Superman once again. I hold out hope that it will happen. If there was no chance you'd think he would just come out and say that he's done,.. so I'm hoping this is a subtle indication that there are more Superman films in his future.
I do strongly believe that "Man Of Steel" was a genuinely GOOD film and deserved more justice in the form of a TRUE sequel, which unfortunately it never received and that is the ultimate crime which was never resolved or corrected. There was still much life and potential in a sequel being made, rectifying whatever "mistakes" others pointed out the 1st film had. Whether it's Brainiac, who would've been most appropriate as a follow-up Villain/Antagonist, or whoever else... Henry Cavill IS the ideal choice for a Modern Day Man of Steel, and that's coming from someone who views him as a NOT-SO stellar Geralt of Rivia. Haha
At the end of the day, WB rushed it all wanting more money to generate without thinking of time, effort and building worlds unlike Marvel. I m DC fan. Forever and I envy what Marvel accomplished for the cinematic universe. Still grateful though as seeing ZSJL is the closest one I'll get.
I think a lot of you all need to look up the facts about what went wrong with Superman movies over the years with WB giving away too much power to the ppl producing/making the movie and lost control over the story and making something worth watching
Even if you look before that it clear that their “company policy” was horse dung. When Justice League was falling apart during production, they hired Joss Whedon the guy that directed the first 2 Avengers movies to try and save the Justice League movie, so much for their “company policy”!
It’s such a waste that they never used villains like Brainiac and Metallo on big screen yet, do In the Mountain of Madness movie, the original script for Halloween 4, Wonder Woman movies that planned before the movie we got, Jack Black’s Green Lantern and Looney Tunes movies like Termite Terrence.
YES I remember Brainiac all those years ago when I had stacks of Superman 🦸♂️ comic 📚 books I'd traded with kid next door 🚪. He was several years older so he had great stash DC and Metal Men. Oh wow, that's what I want to seeon the screen the amazing Metal Men plus Tina who was made out of..... was it Silver ???
Also with George Miller, directing that version. Sound like it could have been another fury road situation. As it seemed supergirl would have had more attention than superman.
@Snehil Shrey Dude it’s been 9 years since Man of Steel and he still hasn’t gotten a sequel. No one cares about Supergirl. EVERYONE on the planet knows and loves Superman. Put the pieces together
@Snehil Shrey The hell? I’m a marvel and Dc fan🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 nice try though. Also Superman flopped because of bad writers. Fans to this day are clammering for Cavils return as the character. Also if people care about Supergirl why didn’t they save her show from bombing every season 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣❤️
@Snehil Shrey In that same comment I mentioned how being a dc fan is suffering. Superman’s my favorite character so stop being in denial. Also BVS made more money than Amazing Spider-Man 2 so according to your logic that movie flopped as well. There was no damn flop what the hell are you talking about? Is 668 million a flop to you 🤣🤣🤣🤣Also Supergirl Was flopping almost every damn season so bad that the show got made fun of by the most subscribed to TH-camr. Also where exactly was the failure for BVS and Zack Synders Justice League? Hell Man of Steel was the ninth highest grossing movie in 2013. But yeah sure he “flopped”.
I’m personally not a big Zack Snyder fan, but I have always felt sorry for him that his time with DC has been so heavily polarizing and pretty much caused all-out civil war online. Even if Cavill continues on without him, I hope Snyder is doing very well and is happy to move on. And hey, I really liked his version of Justice League and think he must have been so relieved for it to see the light of day. Not only to please those who love his work but also to honor his dear, departed daughter.
To all those people who painted Snyder as a bad guy or claim that he’s not a good director, I would like them to understand that he’s human and no one is perfect.
WB: Ok, guys let's scrap "Man of Steel 2", and make "The Flash" movie where he erases everything that Snyder built. Let's replace Henry Cavill's Superman and Ben Affleck's Batman, and have Supergirl and Batgirl instead. They can form a Justice League of their own! Sounds cool, right? The Office Employees: Umm... Would that make the fans upset?? WB: F*%k the fans!! Matter a fact you all are fired!!! GET OUT!!
You released this on my birthday! And I'm only coming across this now... TH-cam algo needs some work... Thanks for a great (belated) birthday gift! I too hope that Cavill's patience pays off. He deserves to tell a story of Kal-el as an established, matured, veteran Superman! 🤞
Same, It's one of my favorites too. I love some MCU but Man Of Steel has a warm place in my heart. Cavil was very good as the titular hero, and he was dead right about NOT RUSHING the DCEU... too bad nobody listened.
Apparently only applies to comic writers. Which is dumb as fuck considering major Marvel writers like Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko created characters for DC and the two companies have traded writers and artists for decades.
Well when they hired James Gunn he had just been fired for the pedophile comments from years ago we didn’t expect that Disney would show there true colors as the hypocrites they are and hire him back we got Patty Jenkins who made Wonder Woman for dc from marvel as well cause marvel has a track record of people not having a good experience with their movie devision
@@LORDUnLuCkY13 actually they didn’t trade Jack Kirby Stan made him so mad he quit and he got hired by dc until they made him mad and he went back to marvel but in my opinion some of his best work was at dc with his new gods books
This made it seem like Snyder didn’t want his next film to BvS, he seemed like he wanted to flesh out this universe beforehand, but WB pushed him to make his core story he had in mind before he might have been even kicked off
Great video and super informative. Thank you for making it. As a Superman fan since I was a kid, (my uncle would take me to the local 7-11/Stop n Go/Gas Station to buy me comics to enhance my love of reading) when I saw Superman The Movie in 78, (I was 6 years old), from that moment on there was no other comic book character that would ever compare to the Man of Steel. I never thought anyone could play Superman again except for Christopher Reeve. Brandon Routh, Dean Cain, Nicolas Cage....none of them were Christopher Reeve. But when Henry Cavill came along? I thought to myself, "Wow, now THAT is Superman!" LOL
Update: In 2022’s Black Adam, Henry made an official return as Superman in the film’s post credit scene. This sparked a massive media applause and a bright hope for the future. The Next Two Months proved otherwise. It was Confirmed that Warner Bros. Discovery was beginning a complete reboot for a DC Cinematic Universe with Peter Safran leading in a Financial and Corporate Sense, and James Gunn (gained the studio’s attention with the success of his Suicide Squad and Peacemaker show) will be the creative head as he would write (and possibly direct) a new Superman film with a new actor taking on the role. Cavill wasn’t upset about it. Him, Safran, and Gunn are on good terms and even welcomed him to play a different role whether it was acting or other things Studio related.
*I'm very DC'pointed in Warner Bros.* Seriously how do they not have DCEU Superman trilogy or even a Batfleck trilogy by now. Real ones not that BvS and JL are MoS and 2&3 nonsense. Batman and Superman movies were their MO for the longest time and now WB has cold feet. Now they're scared to take them out of the box.
@Snehil Shrey yeah but that's kinda their fault they sat around too long allowing themselves to become the Pepsi of the superhero genre. At this point they should at least utilize the audience they have because it's all they got they're not going to be able swoon the average viewer this late in the game without something that really swings.
Excellent reconstruction and archival work. Congratulations! We are millions who are waiting for the sequel to Man of Steel. Let's hope Discovery turns our hopes into reality. Greetings from Argentina. #HenryCavilIsOurSuperman #MakeManofStell2 #RestoretheSnyderverse
Cavill, Snyder and Millar should just do their own comic book run. I'm sure DC wouldn't mind giving them complete creative control over a self contained universe. I get that it isn't as glamourus as a film but your able to so whatever you want with no budget restrictions.
Ever since Man Of Steel came out, I’ve had an idea for a sequel that I don’t think anyone has discussed yet, and I’m not sure if it has been done in the comics before. I would do anything to have the chance for just a simple lunch meeting with Snyder and Cavil where I could discuss ideas with them, even if the movie itself would never happen. But alas, I am just a film student, far from an established screenwriter at the moment
They’re getting rid of the best Superman we have at the moment. I feel so bad for Henry, it’s Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man all over again, the writers are such shit that these amazing actors are taking the fall for it.
I would say that the execs are to blame, they saw some people complaining on Twitter about Snyder's movies and panicked. That's why Joss Whedon's JL happened and why they are going to do what they're going to do in The Flash.
I've heard that recently a notable director has expressed interest in the Cavill supes-Brainiac project and Cavill of course is still interested in the role... so in theory they could take the spidey approach and have 2 or 3 different Superman's going on in different movies at the same time
@Snehil Shrey or... maybe some people were too attached to the past and wouldn't give a new iteration a chance. And that's not getting to the toxic Marvel stans who couldn't even stand the thought of any competition. How about you open your eyes?
@Snehil Shrey ugh, the fact that you're fine with the Bruce/Lois plot (which Zack himself stated was a rough draft idea that was never going to make it to the final product) immediately renders any argument you have invalid.
@Snehil Shrey if a story in which the apocalypse is averted by the Flash doing a Maury Povich impression is your bag, you prove yourself to have no arguments of substance. Deal with it, darling. 💝💁♀️💅
Cavill more than deserves another shot at it, after what they did to him in Josstice League they should have given him anything he asked for. I honestly think the reason they’re not pursuing more with him is cause they’re cheap and they don’t wanna pay him what he’s worth. He’s a bigger start than ever now.
@Snehil Shrey no it isn’t. They F’d him over twice, they took away his solo sequel and then they made him into a meme with a CGI face in Josstice League Also he is a top star now the Witcher is huge and the big reason is cause of him.
@@Bobbywoodhogan so what? Beyonce is 1000x bigger than him and everything she's been in has flopped. So guess what, she doesn't get paid big bucks to be in films.
I agree and I love that Snyder was trying to show on screen the process of Superman becoming the Superman we know not having it done off screen like in Superman the movie from 1978 but people wanted the Boy Scout Superman right out of the gate
Dam I feel bad for Cavill that he banged the drum for so long to tell more Superman stories since the Man Of Steel. It's obvious he was genuinely passionate about the character and his portrayal... I get Gunn and D.C., feeling the DCEU needed to repurpose and ultimately reboot DC on the big screen,... but maaaan, I believe of all the previously cast characters from the Justice League, that it had to sting Cavill worst of all to get the news that DC would be going in another direction.
I've been watching the suits destroy stuff since I was a kid and it still astounds me how badly they mess shit up. It's astounding how so many of these people chronically don't get that you have to hold to a vision to actually offer anything. Movies like Josstice League and The Rise of Skywalker that are made with damage control in mind and that aim to please everyone please literally no one. Movies like the Snyder Cut may not be liked by everyone, but they are certainly loved by those who like them, and when you compare it in quality and reception to WB's original theatrically released atrocity, I rest my case. Vision wins. Profit-over-progress suits will find a way to eventually lose every time, and every time they'll take the fans down with them. We deserved more of Snyder's world and so did Zack, Henry, Ben, and everyone else in the Snyderverse. We deserved a Man of Tomorrow, and now thanks to trusty corporate hubris and ineptitude, that's lost to yesterday. Same as it ever was.
i still say to this day if WB just rolled with the punches of the divisive reception and underperforming box office to MOS and went with man of steel 2 instead of the reactionary we need batman to save us with BVS the DCEU would be in a much better place people forget Captain America 1 only made 370 million worldwide and thor 1 only made 449 million worldwide but they trust in the process and kept moving forward with their plan
I remember reading Russell Crowe saying how he was going to return as Jor-El to further help his son to use his powers so he could be better as Superman, but the moment they decided to put Batman into the mix, all plans for Man of Steel 2 were gone. Of course, this is all Crowe knew of his role or at least what he would have been allowed to say if he knew more to the sequel. I think Henry Cavill is a really good Clark Kent/Superman and I think there was potential to see him in other films as Superman on his own rather than just being part of an ensemble for future films. At this point, an actual sequel to Man of Steel where Superman as the main focus and other heroes don’t show up at all seems to be a long shot. It would be great if Cavill got his own sequel, but maybe he’ll just want to do other films that have nothing to do with Superman now. Great video, you guys do excellent work.
I feel sorry for him. He really wanted to play the character and was cheated out of it. Henry Cavill will go down as the most wasted great actor ever cast for a role.
Jar Jar Abrams was the literal kiss of death for the DCEU. Nothing out of anything he can do will be good for yet another franchise he's going to destroy. He's the Galactus of franchises.
Henry Cavill is such a great guy, man I hope he can make the movies he's so hyped and knowledgable about. Imagine, Warhammer 40K live action (it's a truly evil and violent world), a Man of Steel even if the Snyderverse is dead already, hell have him fight Black Adam and Brainiac. I think it will make a ton of money even if it's disconnected and doesn't have any potential for a cinematic universe. Just make movies with this awesome dude.
Henry's attitude and vision of Superman embodies everything that the Superman character is... it both angers and grieves me that Warner Bros has turned its back on that kind of optimism. we need that in today's world.
"Cant just have a world all the sudden have Gods.." cut to now when James Gunn says his movies will have heroes already existing and no one saying its bad now
Man of Steel was probably the best time I had in the movie theater back in 2013. Henry Cavill embodies everything I wanted to see in Superman for years now. The action was straight out of the comic books, the music was amazing, the cast was perfect, everything was awesome. It's just tragic to me that the executives and suits just refuses to appreciate what they have in Cavill and just seem to put blinders on while shooting themselves in the foot by chasing fads and making reactionary choices rather than just following through with plans. Henry's patience and hope deserves to be rewarded. #MakeManofSteel2
I wish we could've gotten : 1) MOS 2 - Same Affleck open, different Lex, and end credit Batman reveal. 2) Batfleck solo movie - Cavill cameo 3) Solo movies for all JLA members with Affleck/Cavill cameos pushing feud 4) B vs S - JLA members cameo split on loyalty similar to Civil War. Ends with JLA forming 5) Snyder JLA Pts 1&2
I really wanted a Man of steel 2, but it’s such a shame that Warner Bros executives prefer lighthearted comedies, sexist jokes, and less depth to characters.
Don’t get me wrong. I enjoyed Shazam, Aquaman, WW1984 and Peacemaker, but I think we can also have dark tone films along with lighthearted ones at the same time.
What an absolute mess. WB totally scapegoated Snyder, who always intended to get Superman fully developed through an MoS2 before a Justice League movie could happen. The 5-movie story-arc came out of WB's meddling to push past the original plan. WB seemingly set out to maliciously wreck any DCEU potential that MoS created because Avengers, released the former summer, made a billion. ALSO, because Superman fans shit their pants over not getting their religious experience with Superman in MoS, WB was panicking. It was WB that pushed getting the other characters involved in a hurry and then push directly to a Justice League. They they screwed that up too! BUt because there is a BvS now, an MoS2 cannot directly sequel from MoS. And it wasn't Warner that finally gave into the fans who wanted ZSJL. It was AT&T. They saw economic possible short-term potential in giving the fans what they wanted and understood that a relationship with customers is key. AT&T told Warner Media to get it done. Warner Media told Warner Brothers to do it. Then the very people who messed all of this up in the first place, like Sarnoff, took credit before calling the fans "toxic."
I have a LOT of problems with the Snyderverse but one thing that's never been a problem is Cavill's Superman. His love of the character and passion for the character is evident and should have been rewarded. Who knows, we might get an Andrew Garfield situation in the future with him in some kind of Crisis movie.
I wish had Reeve lived and walked again he could've been Jor El to Cavill's Superman or perhaps Jonathon Kent. Cavill is truly the best Superman portrayer after Reeve
Man of Steel was ABSOLUTELY PERFECT !!! I NEVER understood all the hate about collateral damage !? WHAT was he supposed to do !? HOW !? He's new to being a "Hero". He'd never faced ANYONE or thing that , 1.was a threat to him 2.was able to fight back. He had ZERO experience and was up against at LEAST 3 aggressors who had close to or more strength and VAST combat experience as well as training. Not to mention the ships and weapons. I also don't believe that the movie would have been captivating if he'd saved everyone. Without loss there isn't any emotional cost. If there isn't a...weight, or..sense of consequence, you won't find yourself (INVESTED ). The AGONY on display across Cavell's face when forced into snapping Zod's neck was a masterpiece of storytelling. P.S. Batman has ALWAYS killed....well in the movies since 1988. Batfleck WASN'T supposed to be a "good" Batman. Rather he was on a redemption arch. Beginning with a dissolutioned and bitter older character that through his interactions with Superman and Wonder-Woman etc is brought back to the Batman who "doesn't kill ". Also the whole Martha thing was GREAT ! A surprisingly accurate representation of being.."grounded" out of a P.T.S.D. ...moment. Now if they'd changed a character's name to pull it off ? THAT would have been different, and then, I'd probably be on the hate wagon.
If Henry Cavill is not superman, then WB should quit now and forfeit DCEU ! Henry Cavill is superman and will always be superman, no one else can wear that S but him.
Honestly as an artist who isn't really all that much of a big comic book reader and only got into comics because of my dad, there's a part of me that can empathize with people like Tim Burden who don't share the same love as true comic book fans like Kevin Smith. Because like the Mission Impossible Fall Out director said the storytelling of comics is too different from the storytelling of cinema to suddenly have the two mesh together. Cinema is a reflection of the real world more than it is with the fictional world. That trend of perfectly mimcing stuff within the fictional world falls more into the realm of video games and tv shows successwise because compared to cinema they have more space to introduce creative concepts. Whereas cinema much like reality has rules and boundaries that most people would likely latch onto to tell a more compelling story. Because you are essentially filming stuff in the real world on camera. In which a lot of it isn't always going to translate well into cinema especially knowing what the requirements are going into it. So therefore I could totally understand why a lot of directors like Tim Burden and Zack Snyder would want to do their own thing with the comic book source material. Because at the end of the day it's not their story. It's all a story that exists under the influence of a different creator. And if they were to just copy word for word off of a creator's work from the source material they would essentially be dumbing down their talent. Which is something that no artist would want if they were telling a story. I mean I know if I were directing the next betch of X-Men films, I know I sure as hell wouldn't want to copy off of Stan Lee's work I would want to create my own version of the X-Men like Mark Millar did with Ultimate Marvel.
It’s truly tragic what happened with Henry. He was so passionate about Superman and he played the character so well, too bad Warner Brothers didn’t share the passion he had for the man of steel.
WB/DC really screwed up by cutting a half hour out of BvS before it's initial release. If they just released the 3hr ultimate edition, then the film would have made so much more money that the studio never would've given Zack a problem with the Justice League film!
@@tylerjay213 People's big complaint was that it was mess. The ultimate version fixes so many of the films problems. It wasn't just longer, it was far more coherent.
It arguably would have made less money with a longer version. The longer the running time - the lesser the number of shows per cinema each day. The majority of critics and most part of the audiences still would not enjoy it as the longer cut improved things (almost) only for those who already liked the theatrical version.
@@KatarnCrusader granted it would have played less times, but the long version was a far better movie and I think word of mouth would have been better thus, in the long run, more people would have gone to see it or seen it twice.
@@foxhound9780 I get it. You didn't like the film. I actually really liked the ultimate edition and hated the theatrical cut because of how sloppily it was cut.
Wow, even the guy who (hopefully still?) plays Superman thinks WB shouldn't have rushed to JL too fast. And yes, I too want to see Superman fight Brainiac on the big screen.
Man of Steel is my all time favourite Superman movie and imo the greatest solo superhero film ever. Henry Cavill is my Superman. It's a shame if we never get a sequel
Cavill deserved a MoS sequel. He was fantastic in the role, and Amy Adams had the potential to be a great Lois Lane. Sadly however BvS came along. The more I think about that film the more tragic it is. Cavill, Adams and Ben Affleck were potentially fantastic… but sadly they had no chance to shine and make their roles their own
@@Knightfall182 blanket statements are invalid and plenty of people like Henry's Superman, even those who didn't like the way he was written liked Henry's casting and would've liked to see him tackle the character under a different director.
Seeing how everyone involved on MoS would say in early interviews that making a JL movie too soon would be a mistake is just insane levels of irony.
I know, right?
Zack and some of the other smart people at Warner Bros. were planning to introduce the other characters in their own solo movies but after the disaster that was Warner Bros' 3 year bankruptcy famine...Warner Bros. became insanely desperate and began pressuring the HELL out of the DCEU creators to throw out the major team movies instead in order to catch up with Marvel Studios and it's MCU.
At least we got Zack Snyder's Justice League...and it was incredible.
@@flightofthebumblebee9529 Amen, brether.
@@flightofthebumblebee9529 it was medicore,i like mos bvs way more.it just feel unfinished and not what it meant to be.fuck wb ,even bvs was fucked up by them.only mos was 100% snyder,and that shows
Gotta hand it to Cavil, he's a pro. How he keeps his composure with these repetitive questions is admirable
Ya he's a smart dude. Just in the same way he doesn't bang all kinds of groupie 304's just so they can turn around and MeToo him. He knows what's up.
Nerves of Steel bruv
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He’s one of the sweetest souls out there especially for Hollywood standards. Plus he’s a big gamer dude which is awesome
You can also see his brain working overtime as he makes sure not to say the "wrong thing" that might set the rumor mill off.
Hollywood executives have always been their own worst enemy, they've wasted time with Caville so much, he's the best Superman since Christopher Reeve.
@Snehil Shrey Tyler really surprised me he’s awesome
@Snehil Shrey Superman Lois and Clark is very good and i like how grounded the character is yes he is a superhero but also there is that responsibility about being a parent who's children have powers. plus general lane lectures. that he cant be two people. plus the coming together of General zods Kryptonian gang on earth. p
He's far from perfect. I don't even watch that show because it's such a mess. True to the franchise, ha time to move on to the future.
@@danielkeller1337 how can you no if hes good or not if you don't watch the show? I thought he was all wrong from watching supergirl but he's character is alot better in his own show and so much more like superman but with a modern take. Cavill still the best physical representation of superman tho
I can’t help but feel bad for Henry. He’s always great and has amazing screen presence, he’s a great Superman but I hope he finds success outside of it, at least he has The Witcher but hopefully he branches out into other properties too.
Terrific in MI6 as the baddie.
He should definitely be the next James Bond and even do something in marvel since wb isn't trying to use him anymore
@@omeka1080 Being honest guy has presence, but his acting skills are not as good as people seems to believe they are. His Witcher is kinda wooden and grumpy + that cringe "mhmmm" taken straight out from the games xD (which happens dozen of years AFTER the books that Netflix is basing on their "show").
Superman? He looked fine, he was solid in role, but well, writing and dialogues didn't give him enough space to shine. Too sad for him that Snyder didn't receive enough creative freedom to make MoS2 as he planned, but forced by WB to "catch up to Marvel" with BvS.
@@lxdead5585 Bvs was Snyders idea. He was given full creative freedom and he made BVS
@@vineetdesai6396 Nope ;) Back then I was keeping an eye on every single leak of information. After MoS premiered in interviews Snyder said that he would like to make sequel. When he was PUSHED to make bigger movie, Avenger like, he decided to make BvS - it was never his idea as a priority.
I'm convinced Man of Steel wasn't originally made to be the start of a massive superhero universe. Cos that was being made before The Avengers came out, before every studio was desperate to do their own shared universe.
I think Man of Steel, like Russell Crowe said, was originally supposed to be followed by Man of Steel 2, and would've probably ended up being a Dark Knight-style Superman trilogy. Cos Man of Steel was definitely molded off the TDK trilogy's tone and marketing; with Nolan's involvement, the realistic aesthetic and even similar title fonts.
Cos watching Man of Steel, you don't really get the sense it's set in a big comic world. It's a Black Hawk Down-style Superman movie where he feels like the only extraordinary thing in that world. Cos Man of Steel has a couple blink-and-you'll-miss-them easter eggs for Bruce Wayne and Lex Luthor, but they weren't in your face. And then Batman v Superman was like "BATMAN! WONDER WOMAN! THE FLASH! AQUAMAN! DARKSEID FUTURE! TIME TRAVEL!". It felt really removed from the world of Man of Steel and went 0-60 overnight in terms of making it a world of gods.
I think after The Avengers came out in 2012 the studio were like "Forget Man of Steel 2, we want other big superheroes and a team-up now!"
They should have waited and developed their characters first
thats what zack snyder has said in multiple interviews bvs was never his idea he wanted to do man of steel 2 with brainic doomsday or kryptonians from phantom zone whole bvs was a attempt by DC to make a JL movie asap
This is exactly how it was. WB saw the huge success Marvel had. They wanted to replicate the success but didn't take their time in planning and developing the stories. I really wish they had found their own version of Kevin Feige. Someone who knew the material and took his time to strategize and bring in the right pieces for cultivating an extended universe. I've always loved Superman, I really hope WB will soon get their act together and give us a great Superman story. Kind of like how they just gave us a great Batman story. Forget an extended universe. Just concentrate on giving us a quality Superman story.
@@tomwells8093 I agree with pretty much everything apart from "bad reviews from Disney-owned media". Critics weren't paid to dislike it, and it actually got a good reception compared to Batman v Superman. Man of Steel was just a mixed bag for a lot of reviewers so it got mixed reviews. And I can appreciate a lot of the filmmaking aspects of it in hindsight, but I don't think the screenplay was very well put together.
@@R1ch4d8 That's pretty much Snyder's career in a nutshell. Dude can certainly put together a visually appeasing film, but he is not the best at storytelling.
Being a DC fan is pain
It’s suffering
Luckily I’m a marvel fan to so I’m still eating
Being a Superman fan is painful. They always try to change stuff. They need to leave him alone. Superman has worked for decades as it was. Too many cooks in the kitchen trying to get as much money as possible...
@@MrTubarr I feel ya brother. Well make it one day…. Hopefully
There’s like 5movies coming out this year
If you’re a DC fan you’ll be excited for them
If you’re in pain because you’re a Snyder fan
Modern Warner Bros. Is the worst thing to happen to DC. When directors like Chris Nolan say bad things about the studio and they start to lose talent to replace with trash, it’s clear a change is needed.
We still need this movie. We need Henry as Superman.
Nope, and we're getting Superman Legacy.
19:07-I might not have like Cavill’s Superman, but the more I see and hear of Cavill himself, I become that much more impressed…
Exactly how I felt. The writer and director didn’t give him enough dialogue in their movies. I put it on them now, and like Cavill in other stuff a lot.
Henry Cavill seems like the perfect guy to play Superman and as a fan of the character myself, it kinda sucks the guy is seemingly never gonna come back. For all it’s problems, I think Man of Steel had a solid foundation that a sequel could expand and improve upon and give fans Superman’s lovable and heroic self. Here’s hoping Cavill gets to dawn the cape again someday.
This is the best review on the Snyder,MoS,and the DCEU I’ve ever seen. I mean it’s non biased and isn’t just some fanboy going “it’s not marvel so it’s bad”! over and over again. Thankyou.
,, 🤧🤒😷🤕👽⭐🤠🤖🥵🥶🤢🤮
I’m also happy that it’s not “it’s not marvel so it’s good!” Over and over again. He’s not one of the biased channels that prefer the less popular thing
I have never watched a video comparing it to Marvel as a whole point. The movies are just not that superb.
@@royedking sadly, there are a lot of videos/channels that treat Marvel as the gold standard for superhero films, especially video essayists
Nobody is saying that tho lol
Hope that he gets a second chance as Superman, cause Cavil is really good.
People might not agree with me, but I believe Superman: Man of Tomorrow, the 2020 animated film, is something studios should look up to, it plays a lot with the whole Superman and DC mythos and modernizes Clark Kent while staying true to the character, in less than an hour and a half, yet at the same time, it tells an intimate story about Superman's first days in Metropolis. Even Lobo and Lex Luthor get their time to shine, and Parasite's story is very compelling, as his transformation progressively deprives him of his humanity and cannot face his own family anymore. I'd say it's my favourite Superman movie.
Agreed, that movie is great
getting thrown through buildings.... destroying property... didn't stop to save the citizens that stood there like idiots..... i wonder... what people would have thought of man of steel if Snyder hadn't directed it..... i've watched quite a bit of superman media and things always get destroyed ..... but that Zack is the devil right?
@@caliginousmoira8565
Fair point.
@@caliginousmoira8565 I think the destruction is just one aspect of what people dislike about his movies. Man of tomorrow has some but no where near as much as MoS. Personally I don’t care regardless, but it’s plain and simple. People had a lot off issues with Snyder’s movies, with that just being an aspect of it all.
@@nizarhadeli9104 to be fair that happens in the comics alot too where suddenly superman foregets collateral damage is still a thing when refering to buildings i mean he clears out at least two blocks every time he fights a brute villian like solomon grundy
A moment of silence for these cancelled DCEU movies:
-Green Lantern Corps
-Justice League Dark
-Cyborg
-The Batman
-Birds of Prey (sans Harley)
-New Gods
Man of Steel 2
@Snehil Shrey Originally, the BOP film we ended up getting started life as a Gotham City Sirens movie with a cameo of the Birds of Prey, which would have led to a BOP-led spinoff featuring Batgirl; however, Barbara was then replaced by Harley after plans for a Batgirl solo movie were announced.
Sans Harley?
@@captainjakemerica4579 There was a point where the Birds of Prey movie was just going to feature Batgirl, Black Canary, and Huntress. Harley would have rather been the main character in a Gotham City Sirens movie, which would have featured the BOP as supporting characters.
@Snehil Shrey What was it that she made a couple of years ago? I believe it was a film, Eaen MacGregor was the villain in it.
You are my go-to channel when it comes to failed superhero movies(particularly those with completed script and plot drafts) bc you have the best and most thorough narration of the plot from start to finish, the closest thing to being able to see the failed superhero movies materialize
Watching this after the confirmation of henry cavill is finally back to wear the cape again had me so speechless. He is the best SUPERMAN actor for me.
and ohhh super void cinema you should make a part 2 of this with HENRY CAVILL now coming back as superman again. We love to see it.
Quoting South Park Banker, aaaaannnnddd it's gone
He’s not coming back.
James Gunn is starting off a new DCEU with „Superman:Legacy” in 2025 and all roles are going to be recast
I'd love to see Henry Cavill as Superman once again. I hold out hope that it will happen. If there was no chance you'd think he would just come out and say that he's done,.. so I'm hoping this is a subtle indication that there are more Superman films in his future.
Your hope and faith will be repaid.
I do strongly believe that "Man Of Steel" was a genuinely GOOD film and deserved more justice in the form of a TRUE sequel, which unfortunately it never received and that is the ultimate crime which was never resolved or corrected. There was still much life and potential in a sequel being made, rectifying whatever "mistakes" others pointed out the 1st film had. Whether it's Brainiac, who would've been most appropriate as a follow-up Villain/Antagonist, or whoever else... Henry Cavill IS the ideal choice for a Modern Day Man of Steel, and that's coming from someone who views him as a NOT-SO stellar Geralt of Rivia. Haha
At the end of the day, WB rushed it all wanting more money to generate without thinking of time, effort and building worlds unlike Marvel.
I m DC fan. Forever and I envy what Marvel accomplished for the cinematic universe. Still grateful though as seeing ZSJL is the closest one I'll get.
I think a lot of you all need to look up the facts about what went wrong with Superman movies over the years with WB giving away too much power to the ppl producing/making the movie and lost control over the story and making something worth watching
Zsjl 😴 blows Zack ruined dc
It's like the only way WB can make a good decision is by mistake. The Flash news of replacing Supes with Supergirl is just another WB shit show.
"I honestly would do this for free" Millar's Agent: "For Freeeeeeeeeee?"
WB hiring James Gunn is proof their whole "company policy" excuse was a fuckin lie.
Even if you look before that it clear that their “company policy” was horse dung. When Justice League was falling apart during production, they hired Joss Whedon the guy that directed the first 2 Avengers movies to try and save the Justice League movie, so much for their “company policy”!
It’s such a waste that they never used villains like Brainiac and Metallo on big screen yet, do In the Mountain of Madness movie, the original script for Halloween 4, Wonder Woman movies that planned before the movie we got, Jack Black’s Green Lantern and Looney Tunes movies like Termite Terrence.
YES I remember Brainiac all those years ago when I had stacks of Superman 🦸♂️ comic 📚 books I'd traded with kid next door 🚪. He was several years older so he had great stash DC and Metal Men.
Oh wow, that's what I want to seeon the screen the amazing Metal Men plus Tina who was made out of..... was it Silver ???
WB: you want Man Of Steel 2? Alright we’ll give you Supergirl instead.
Also with George Miller, directing that version. Sound like it could have been another fury road situation. As it seemed supergirl would have had more attention than superman.
@Snehil Shrey Dude it’s been 9 years since Man of Steel and he still hasn’t gotten a sequel. No one cares about Supergirl. EVERYONE on the planet knows and loves Superman. Put the pieces together
@Snehil Shrey The hell? I’m a marvel and Dc fan🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 nice try though. Also Superman flopped because of bad writers. Fans to this day are clammering for Cavils return as the character. Also if people care about Supergirl why didn’t they save her show from bombing every season 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣❤️
@Snehil Shrey In that same comment I mentioned how being a dc fan is suffering. Superman’s my favorite character so stop being in denial. Also BVS made more money than Amazing Spider-Man 2 so according to your logic that movie flopped as well. There was no damn flop what the hell are you talking about? Is 668 million a flop to you 🤣🤣🤣🤣Also Supergirl Was flopping almost every damn season so bad that the show got made fun of by the most subscribed to TH-camr. Also where exactly was the failure for BVS and Zack Synders Justice League? Hell Man of Steel was the ninth highest grossing movie in 2013. But yeah sure he “flopped”.
@@Jor-On mos 3 could have introduced her and brainiac
I’m personally not a big Zack Snyder fan, but I have always felt sorry for him that his time with DC has been so heavily polarizing and pretty much caused all-out civil war online. Even if Cavill continues on without him, I hope Snyder is doing very well and is happy to move on. And hey, I really liked his version of Justice League and think he must have been so relieved for it to see the light of day. Not only to please those who love his work but also to honor his dear, departed daughter.
@Snehil Shrey Those right-wing people ought to understand that superheroes can be flawed and be heroes at the same time.
@Snehil Shrey Tony Stark thankful died a true hero in Endgame.
To all those people who painted Snyder as a bad guy or claim that he’s not a good director, I would like them to understand that he’s human and no one is perfect.
@@robotlobster2197 Sorry, I meant those who hate Snyder’s work as well.
@@robotlobster2197 Sorry. I must have misread your comment.
While we’re still waiting for Cavill to get tho share his love of Superman to the world, it’s great you get to do it with these videos Andrew.
WB: Ok, guys let's scrap "Man of Steel 2", and make "The Flash" movie where he erases everything that Snyder built. Let's replace Henry Cavill's Superman and Ben Affleck's Batman, and have Supergirl and Batgirl instead. They can form a Justice League of their own! Sounds cool, right?
The Office Employees: Umm... Would that make the fans upset??
WB: F*%k the fans!! Matter a fact you all are fired!!! GET OUT!!
Well. Snyder sucks.
Hahaha might be true
@@vineetdesai6396 not having Batman and Superman also sucks….
You released this on my birthday! And I'm only coming across this now... TH-cam algo needs some work... Thanks for a great (belated) birthday gift! I too hope that Cavill's patience pays off. He deserves to tell a story of Kal-el as an established, matured, veteran Superman! 🤞
Happy Birthday!
MoS is one of my favorite superhero movies and I wish they made a sequel.
Same, It's one of my favorites too. I love some MCU but Man Of Steel has a warm place in my heart. Cavil was very good as the titular hero, and he was dead right about NOT RUSHING the DCEU... too bad nobody listened.
Just discovering this channel and I absolutely love it. Please keep it up.
Henry's manager is the rock's ex-wife, that black Adam superman shazam live action movie would be awesome!
So WB has a non-negotiable policy to never hire people closely associated with their competition... unless their name is James Gunn.
It’s hard to say not to James Gunn, his movies are fantastic
Apparently only applies to comic writers.
Which is dumb as fuck considering major Marvel writers like Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko created characters for DC and the two companies have traded writers and artists for decades.
James Gunn pretty much makes everything he touches turn to gold. Peacemaker is goddamn excellent so far imo
Well when they hired James Gunn he had just been fired for the pedophile comments from years ago we didn’t expect that Disney would show there true colors as the hypocrites they are and hire him back we got Patty Jenkins who made Wonder Woman for dc from marvel as well cause marvel has a track record of people not having a good experience with their movie devision
@@LORDUnLuCkY13 actually they didn’t trade Jack Kirby Stan made him so mad he quit and he got hired by dc until they made him mad and he went back to marvel but in my opinion some of his best work was at dc with his new gods books
This made it seem like Snyder didn’t want his next film to BvS, he seemed like he wanted to flesh out this universe beforehand, but WB pushed him to make his core story he had in mind before he might have been even kicked off
Great video and super informative. Thank you for making it. As a Superman fan since I was a kid, (my uncle would take me to the local 7-11/Stop n Go/Gas Station to buy me comics to enhance my love of reading) when I saw Superman The Movie in 78, (I was 6 years old), from that moment on there was no other comic book character that would ever compare to the Man of Steel. I never thought anyone could play Superman again except for Christopher Reeve. Brandon Routh, Dean Cain, Nicolas Cage....none of them were Christopher Reeve. But when Henry Cavill came along? I thought to myself, "Wow, now THAT is Superman!" LOL
Update: In 2022’s Black Adam, Henry made an official return as Superman in the film’s post credit scene. This sparked a massive media applause and a bright hope for the future.
The Next Two Months proved otherwise. It was Confirmed that Warner Bros. Discovery was beginning a complete reboot for a DC Cinematic Universe with Peter Safran leading in a Financial and Corporate Sense, and James Gunn (gained the studio’s attention with the success of his Suicide Squad and Peacemaker show) will be the creative head as he would write (and possibly direct) a new Superman film with a new actor taking on the role.
Cavill wasn’t upset about it. Him, Safran, and Gunn are on good terms and even welcomed him to play a different role whether it was acting or other things Studio related.
*I'm very DC'pointed in Warner Bros.* Seriously how do they not have DCEU Superman trilogy or even a Batfleck trilogy by now. Real ones not that BvS and JL are MoS and 2&3 nonsense. Batman and Superman movies were their MO for the longest time and now WB has cold feet. Now they're scared to take them out of the box.
@Snehil Shrey I'm referring to the ones they started already with Man of Steel and the Ben Affleck Batman.
@Snehil Shrey yeah but that's kinda their fault they sat around too long allowing themselves to become the Pepsi of the superhero genre. At this point they should at least utilize the audience they have because it's all they got they're not going to be able swoon the average viewer this late in the game without something that really swings.
Excellent reconstruction and archival work. Congratulations!
We are millions who are waiting for the sequel to Man of Steel. Let's hope Discovery turns our hopes into reality.
Greetings from Argentina.
#HenryCavilIsOurSuperman
#MakeManofStell2
#RestoretheSnyderverse
It's honestly pretty sad considering Cavill's continued enthusiasm towards playing the role
So, great to see a video about the DCEU without controversies or opinions, just facts. Thanx!!!!
Great. All of that drama and we're stuck with Superman "Drive-by", courtesy of Jar Jar Abrams.
Batman v Superman as a sequel was story boarded 2 months prior to the release of MOS. According to Jay Oliva who worked with Snyder.
Cavill, Snyder and Millar should just do their own comic book run. I'm sure DC wouldn't mind giving them complete creative control over a self contained universe. I get that it isn't as glamourus as a film but your able to so whatever you want with no budget restrictions.
Wonderful. These videos are ALWAYS so interesting, entertaining and well made. Bravo.
Cheers!
Ever since Man Of Steel came out, I’ve had an idea for a sequel that I don’t think anyone has discussed yet, and I’m not sure if it has been done in the comics before. I would do anything to have the chance for just a simple lunch meeting with Snyder and Cavil where I could discuss ideas with them, even if the movie itself would never happen. But alas, I am just a film student, far from an established screenwriter at the moment
Can you share your concept?
I'd love to hear your ideas man
@@sunsetman22I appreciate the interest. TH-cam won’t let me post the link here, do you have an email to discord I could send the doc link to?
I'd have a lunch meeting with Cavil and a competent Director that isn't Snyder.
They’re getting rid of the best Superman we have at the moment. I feel so bad for Henry, it’s Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man all over again, the writers are such shit that these amazing actors are taking the fall for it.
I would say that the execs are to blame, they saw some people complaining on Twitter about Snyder's movies and panicked. That's why Joss Whedon's JL happened and why they are going to do what they're going to do in The Flash.
I've heard that recently a notable director has expressed interest in the Cavill supes-Brainiac project and Cavill of course is still interested in the role... so in theory they could take the spidey approach and have 2 or 3 different Superman's going on in different movies at the same time
@Snehil Shrey or... maybe some people were too attached to the past and wouldn't give a new iteration a chance. And that's not getting to the toxic Marvel stans who couldn't even stand the thought of any competition.
How about you open your eyes?
@Snehil Shrey ugh, the fact that you're fine with the Bruce/Lois plot (which Zack himself stated was a rough draft idea that was never going to make it to the final product) immediately renders any argument you have invalid.
@Snehil Shrey if a story in which the apocalypse is averted by the Flash doing a Maury Povich impression is your bag, you prove yourself to have no arguments of substance.
Deal with it, darling. 💝💁♀️💅
I would love to see another Henry Cavill's superman movie and more of the #Snyderverse
I agree, give the man the trilogy he deserves..
Respect Too Cavill..
Cavill more than deserves another shot at it, after what they did to him in Josstice League they should have given him anything he asked for. I honestly think the reason they’re not pursuing more with him is cause they’re cheap and they don’t wanna pay him what he’s worth. He’s a bigger start than ever now.
@Snehil Shrey no it isn’t. They F’d him over twice, they took away his solo sequel and then they made him into a meme with a CGI face in Josstice League
Also he is a top star now the Witcher is huge and the big reason is cause of him.
@Snehil Shrey he’s a bigger star than he’s ever been.
Anyway not wasting my time arguing with haters bye
Your pay is based on what your box office draw is.
Please give examples of the films he's been in that have been a big box office draw? 🤔
@@Bobbywoodhogan so what? Beyonce is 1000x bigger than him and everything she's been in has flopped.
So guess what, she doesn't get paid big bucks to be in films.
FACTS
I love the MoS movie since I saw it in theater. It was so cool and I liked the way Zack portrayed the character in a realistic way.
I agree and I love that Snyder was trying to show on screen the process of Superman becoming the Superman we know not having it done off screen like in Superman the movie from 1978 but people wanted the Boy Scout Superman right out of the gate
Dam I feel bad for Cavill that he banged the drum for so long to tell more Superman stories since the Man Of Steel. It's obvious he was genuinely passionate about the character and his portrayal... I get Gunn and D.C., feeling the DCEU needed to repurpose and ultimately reboot DC on the big screen,... but maaaan, I believe of all the previously cast characters from the Justice League, that it had to sting Cavill worst of all to get the news that DC would be going in another direction.
*Henry was my favorite Superman. Please come back*
I've been watching the suits destroy stuff since I was a kid and it still astounds me how badly they mess shit up. It's astounding how so many of these people chronically don't get that you have to hold to a vision to actually offer anything. Movies like Josstice League and The Rise of Skywalker that are made with damage control in mind and that aim to please everyone please literally no one. Movies like the Snyder Cut may not be liked by everyone, but they are certainly loved by those who like them, and when you compare it in quality and reception to WB's original theatrically released atrocity, I rest my case. Vision wins. Profit-over-progress suits will find a way to eventually lose every time, and every time they'll take the fans down with them. We deserved more of Snyder's world and so did Zack, Henry, Ben, and everyone else in the Snyderverse. We deserved a Man of Tomorrow, and now thanks to trusty corporate hubris and ineptitude, that's lost to yesterday. Same as it ever was.
This guy is TH-cam's Best, narrator.
He does these and he does odd at the audit and he does some cold blue cam.... Really really really good!!!
i still say to this day if WB just rolled with the punches of the divisive reception and underperforming box office to MOS and went with man of steel 2 instead of the reactionary we need batman to save us with BVS the DCEU would be in a much better place
people forget Captain America 1 only made 370 million worldwide and thor 1 only made 449 million worldwide but they trust in the process and kept moving forward with their plan
Exactly. I think WB assumed that Batman and Superman should have made so much mire since they are bigger names for general audiences.
Congratulations Supervoid Cinema!
Looks like Henry's patience and love for Superman has finally paid off ..
BRING ON MOS 2!!
Ouch
i just want to wish you a happy new year and also appreciate the work you put into it, you are amazing
Happy New Year !
true respect and love for you for making such an informative video
I love this channel. Always love the behind the scenes of WHAT IF movies
ZSJL is always A MASTERPIECE and an Global Phenomenon
Thank you
As always. Very well done!
Only just found your channel. Really enjoyed this and looking forward to going through your library of content. Subbed!
That's excellent. Cheers!
I know someone else has already said this but this channel is THE most under rated one on TH-cam
A great way to start the year Supervoid!
Cavil made the ONLY Superman movie I liked. As a kid I watched Reeves but Cavil just killed it on a different level
I love your re-enactment of the McQuarrie meeting.
I remember reading Russell Crowe saying how he was going to return as Jor-El to further help his son to use his powers so he could be better as Superman, but the moment they decided to put Batman into the mix, all plans for Man of Steel 2 were gone. Of course, this is all Crowe knew of his role or at least what he would have been allowed to say if he knew more to the sequel. I think Henry Cavill is a really good Clark Kent/Superman and I think there was potential to see him in other films as Superman on his own rather than just being part of an ensemble for future films. At this point, an actual sequel to Man of Steel where Superman as the main focus and other heroes don’t show up at all seems to be a long shot. It would be great if Cavill got his own sequel, but maybe he’ll just want to do other films that have nothing to do with Superman now. Great video, you guys do excellent work.
I feel sorry for him. He really wanted to play the character and was cheated out of it. Henry Cavill will go down as the most wasted great actor ever cast for a role.
@@Willowy13 that's on WB and their horrendous mismanagement of the DCEU
Great video and very informative. Thank you.
Jar Jar Abrams was the literal kiss of death for the DCEU. Nothing out of anything he can do will be good for yet another franchise he's going to destroy. He's the Galactus of franchises.
I know he's like Spielberg's protégé or something, but I still can't comprehend how he keeps getting work after what he pulled with Star Wars
@@sunsetman22 bailed into them(?)
Henry Cavill is such a great guy, man I hope he can make the movies he's so hyped and knowledgable about. Imagine, Warhammer 40K live action (it's a truly evil and violent world), a Man of Steel even if the Snyderverse is dead already, hell have him fight Black Adam and Brainiac. I think it will make a ton of money even if it's disconnected and doesn't have any potential for a cinematic universe. Just make movies with this awesome dude.
Henry's attitude and vision of Superman embodies everything that the Superman character is... it both angers and grieves me that Warner Bros has turned its back on that kind of optimism.
we need that in today's world.
"Cant just have a world all the sudden have Gods.." cut to now when James Gunn says his movies will have heroes already existing and no one saying its bad now
Man of Steel was probably the best time I had in the movie theater back in 2013. Henry Cavill embodies everything I wanted to see in Superman for years now. The action was straight out of the comic books, the music was amazing, the cast was perfect, everything was awesome. It's just tragic to me that the executives and suits just refuses to appreciate what they have in Cavill and just seem to put blinders on while shooting themselves in the foot by chasing fads and making reactionary choices rather than just following through with plans.
Henry's patience and hope deserves to be rewarded.
#MakeManofSteel2
MOS was a POS.
I wish we could've gotten :
1) MOS 2 - Same Affleck open, different Lex, and end credit Batman reveal.
2) Batfleck solo movie - Cavill cameo
3) Solo movies for all JLA members with Affleck/Cavill cameos pushing feud
4) B vs S - JLA members cameo split on loyalty similar to Civil War. Ends with JLA forming
5) Snyder JLA Pts 1&2
I really wanted a Man of steel 2, but it’s such a shame that Warner Bros executives prefer lighthearted comedies, sexist jokes, and less depth to characters.
Don’t get me wrong. I enjoyed Shazam, Aquaman, WW1984 and Peacemaker, but I think we can also have dark tone films along with lighthearted ones at the same time.
Excellent voice over narration
this is so sad I almost cried, about the man who embodies hope
What an absolute mess. WB totally scapegoated Snyder, who always intended to get Superman fully developed through an MoS2 before a Justice League movie could happen. The 5-movie story-arc came out of WB's meddling to push past the original plan. WB seemingly set out to maliciously wreck any DCEU potential that MoS created because Avengers, released the former summer, made a billion. ALSO, because Superman fans shit their pants over not getting their religious experience with Superman in MoS, WB was panicking. It was WB that pushed getting the other characters involved in a hurry and then push directly to a Justice League. They they screwed that up too! BUt because there is a BvS now, an MoS2 cannot directly sequel from MoS.
And it wasn't Warner that finally gave into the fans who wanted ZSJL. It was AT&T. They saw economic possible short-term potential in giving the fans what they wanted and understood that a relationship with customers is key. AT&T told Warner Media to get it done. Warner Media told Warner Brothers to do it. Then the very people who messed all of this up in the first place, like Sarnoff, took credit before calling the fans "toxic."
Now that Henry is officially back and WB is now getting writers for Man of Steel 2, there's finally a shining light on DC again
Very true!
Oooooooooooooooof
@@randyrhoades8751 Well shit
Damn man
This didn't age well.
I have a LOT of problems with the Snyderverse but one thing that's never been a problem is Cavill's Superman. His love of the character and passion for the character is evident and should have been rewarded. Who knows, we might get an Andrew Garfield situation in the future with him in some kind of Crisis movie.
thank you for this very thorough breakdown, as always!
Great info. Thanks for your hard work. Hope the channel grows!
I wish had Reeve lived and walked again he could've been Jor El to Cavill's Superman or perhaps Jonathon Kent. Cavill is truly the best Superman portrayer after Reeve
Personally I would've loved to see Reeve call out all the asswipes who insulted Zack Snyder's family tragedy.
Man of Steel was ABSOLUTELY PERFECT !!! I NEVER understood all the hate about collateral damage !? WHAT was he supposed to do !? HOW !? He's new to being a
"Hero". He'd never faced ANYONE or thing that ,
1.was a threat to him
2.was able to fight back.
He had ZERO experience and was up against at LEAST 3 aggressors who had close to or more strength and VAST combat experience as well as training. Not to mention the ships and weapons. I also don't
believe that the movie would have been captivating if he'd saved everyone. Without loss there isn't any emotional cost. If there isn't a...weight, or..sense of consequence, you won't find yourself (INVESTED ). The AGONY on display across Cavell's face when forced into snapping Zod's neck was a masterpiece of storytelling.
P.S. Batman has ALWAYS killed....well in the movies since 1988. Batfleck WASN'T supposed to be a "good" Batman. Rather he was on a redemption arch. Beginning with a dissolutioned and bitter older character that through his interactions with Superman and Wonder-Woman etc is brought back to the Batman who "doesn't kill ". Also the whole Martha thing was GREAT ! A surprisingly accurate representation of being.."grounded" out of a P.T.S.D. ...moment. Now if they'd changed a character's name to pull it off ? THAT would have been different, and then, I'd probably be on the hate wagon.
If Henry Cavill is not superman, then WB should quit now and forfeit DCEU ! Henry Cavill is superman and will always be superman, no one else can wear that S but him.
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That's appreciated, thank you!
Pretty sure they're going to use the Flash movie to reboot. It's pretty smart actually as it can tie loose ends AND keep Cavill.
Honestly as an artist who isn't really all that much of a big comic book reader and only got into comics because of my dad, there's a part of me that can empathize with people like Tim Burden who don't share the same love as true comic book fans like Kevin Smith. Because like the Mission Impossible Fall Out director said the storytelling of comics is too different from the storytelling of cinema to suddenly have the two mesh together. Cinema is a reflection of the real world more than it is with the fictional world. That trend of perfectly mimcing stuff within the fictional world falls more into the realm of video games and tv shows successwise because compared to cinema they have more space to introduce creative concepts. Whereas cinema much like reality has rules and boundaries that most people would likely latch onto to tell a more compelling story. Because you are essentially filming stuff in the real world on camera. In which a lot of it isn't always going to translate well into cinema especially knowing what the requirements are going into it. So therefore I could totally understand why a lot of directors like Tim Burden and Zack Snyder would want to do their own thing with the comic book source material. Because at the end of the day it's not their story. It's all a story that exists under the influence of a different creator. And if they were to just copy word for word off of a creator's work from the source material they would essentially be dumbing down their talent. Which is something that no artist would want if they were telling a story. I mean I know if I were directing the next betch of X-Men films, I know I sure as hell wouldn't want to copy off of Stan Lee's work I would want to create my own version of the X-Men like Mark Millar did with Ultimate Marvel.
It’s truly tragic what happened with Henry. He was so passionate about Superman and he played the character so well, too bad Warner Brothers didn’t share the passion he had for the man of steel.
WB/DC really screwed up by cutting a half hour out of BvS before it's initial release. If they just released the 3hr ultimate edition, then the film would have made so much more money that the studio never would've given Zack a problem with the Justice League film!
I don’t think making it longer would’ve given the film better legs at the box office, it still would’ve been received the same either way
@@tylerjay213 People's big complaint was that it was mess. The ultimate version fixes so many of the films problems. It wasn't just longer, it was far more coherent.
It arguably would have made less money with a longer version. The longer the running time - the lesser the number of shows per cinema each day. The majority of critics and most part of the audiences still would not enjoy it as the longer cut improved things (almost) only for those who already liked the theatrical version.
@@KatarnCrusader granted it would have played less times, but the long version was a far better movie and I think word of mouth would have been better thus, in the long run, more people would have gone to see it or seen it twice.
@@foxhound9780 I get it. You didn't like the film. I actually really liked the ultimate edition and hated the theatrical cut because of how sloppily it was cut.
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I'm just waiting for live action Batfamily. But I gotta give Superfamily some love and attention.
Holy sht. This has just cleared up everything thats driven me nuts for years.
Goddamn shame that we were robbed of a decent Superman trilogy in favor of this botched attempt at creating a DC Cinematic Universe.
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Wow, even the guy who (hopefully still?) plays Superman thinks WB shouldn't have rushed to JL too fast. And yes, I too want to see Superman fight Brainiac on the big screen.
The geometal tech that was in MOS seemed to be the perfect way to do Brainiac but shame we will not get that in this decade.
Man of Steel is my all time favourite Superman movie and imo the greatest solo superhero film ever. Henry Cavill is my Superman. It's a shame if we never get a sequel
Cavill deserved a MoS sequel. He was fantastic in the role, and Amy Adams had the potential to be a great Lois Lane. Sadly however BvS came along. The more I think about that film the more tragic it is. Cavill, Adams and Ben Affleck were potentially fantastic… but sadly they had no chance to shine and make their roles their own
Yeah, I mean I get why he wants to keep doing it but for now, he's living the dream being Geralt of Rivia.
Did you see the movie or hate it for the meme?
With the right writing, Cavill and Adams could have been the definitive Clark and Lois. They were so wonderfully cast
Audiences didn't care for Cavill's portrayal. He can easily be replaced and rebooted
@@Knightfall182 blanket statements are invalid and plenty of people like Henry's Superman, even those who didn't like the way he was written liked Henry's casting and would've liked to see him tackle the character under a different director.
HENRY CAVILL SUPERMAN 2 is phenomenal and perfection
Hope... Hope is all we have left