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Everton’s Points Deduction is BAD NEWS for Chelsea & Man City
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ส.ค. 2024
- The lads on The Kick Off debate the Premier League's decision to deduct Everton 10 points after the club broke FFP rules.
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That guy seriously claiming Man Utd have done something similar. I can absolutely garentee the Glazers have not been pumping money in and there is no time limit for the PL, that wont save Chelsea or City
Was thinking the same thing. Before him I've never heard Man Utd breaking FFP.
0 active charges against Chelsea, next time get context before posting your room temperature iq comments.
Out of all the "non professional" football podcasts, this has been the best discussion on FFP. Also, re the Everton fans having to suffer the points deduction instead of the owners suffering financially from their mistakes, this is exactly what happened during the 2008 financial crisis where ordinary people had to bail out big banks. The German football ownership model is, essentially, socialism and I for one am all for it.
Do you also apply "but the fans" to the City and Chelsea situations? I have some sympathy for Everton because it really just was a complex financial situation that they somewhat mismanaged, but the other two clubs were built up on offshore accounts and fake sponsorships and most of their respective supporters were at least casually aware of those situations but chose to overlook them. Relegation is too good a punishment for both those clubs, imo. I would rather see them dissolved entirely, along with stripping their titles and awarding them to the runners-up they beat.
The fact people still think City and Chelsea gonna get in big trouble is hilarious. They will never give City and Chelsea a significant punishment, because reality is they know that the Super League will begin 24hrs later.
No they won't. Every team wants them punished, no ones breaking away to stand with Man City or Chelsea
No it wouldn’t
nobody gives a stuff about these 2 plastic clubs. they need to be put back where they belong! they will do ok in the championship.................although the contract situation with some of the chelsea players might be a fun issue for them (LOL).
The people stopped the super league. If you Boycott your club if they support it, they won't make it.
I think Super league will not begin because city and Chelsea punishment. we will have Super League in about 10-15 years anyway.
First of all the Everton punishment wasn’t a disgrace. They broke the rules, they were advised not to buy more players, they continued to do so and missed the cut off.
Also, whilst they were £20m over the threshold the premier league advice is that clubs should be on £0 losses and they give clubs a !!!£100m!!! buffer for losses and Everton were £20m over that.
They gained a sporting advantage and would most likely be relegated now, 10 points is nothing.
On top of that they were allowed to write of millions more in losses because of COVID and the stadium.
Absolutely agree with you but city's and Chelsea's punishment must be equally as harsh.
The problem is that you fail to understand that the transfers were structured in a way to align with the supervisions the league warned them about so the fees are paid off in small amounts every year. Then you got to factor that teams who tried to break the football leagues only got 3, million pound fine and teams that went into administration had lesser punishment. Ur correct with regards to breaking the rules but the severity of the punishment is severe. Especially when considering there's a strong chance a majority of football clubs do dodgy business. It was just to make the league look proactive meaning it was not just.
well everything you have said is incorrect but you carry one mate.
wrong
They weren’t only 20 million over it was something like 200 million over the limit of the loss they were already allowed to make but the premier league were lenient with certain expenditures that got it down to 20 million it’s completely the correct decision as long as they back it up if City or Chelsea are found guilty.
But everyone was over that season because the extra leniency went for everyone as it was during the Covid season
An extreme example must be made unfortunately... Or other teams will sue or have a case to do it themselves
No one has mentioned the bigger picture. Everton was always going to be a big punishment initially as they would have appealed any decision. Will meet somewhere in the middle and set the precedent for City and Chelsea
Brian saying that videos on Man City always flop while talking on a video about Man City..
rent free
city and chelsea bring in so much revenue to the premier league in terms of broadcasting rights, they will never get anything more than a 10-15 point deduction, even if city are guilty for every one of the 115 ffp breaches.
Nah they’ve set a benchmark with Everton, if city are found guilty for all charges then they will have to be punished far more than Everton.
@@Sahota2002they just won't though because the UK government will stop the premier league from harming UK and UAE relations
An extreme example must be made unfortunately... Or other teams will sue or have a case to do it themselves
@@Bdbtg28691even if that’s the case, you can’t deny relegating city, losing half those players to la liga, and replacing them with idk Sheffield or some other club will cost the prem a bunch of money even if it’s for one season because let’s be real both clubs would come straight back up
@@austinlarrimore6542 If a much more established club like Juventus can be relagated, then I don't see a problem with a team like City getting relagated.
Thing is tho with Chelsea surely when it was held by government how comes this wasnt found it then within those 3 month's, then once our new owners look into the books its suddenly the clubs fault
When the Government were in control I doubt they would have dived deep into the books. Their priority would have been to keep the bills paid and move it on ASAP.
Took Brian less than a minute to mention something Newcastle related in this
Not sure anyone round that table knew what they were talking about. It was painful
Seriously. The quality of the conversation has gone WAY down.
Everton in 2021 were given a plan to follow to avoid breaking FFP after going to the premier league and being warned they were going off track then signing new players, they had unfair advantage and possibly other teams would’ve been relegated. Other fans would’ve stayed up if they hadn’t. I think they’ve got very lucky it’s fallen in a season when it might not send them down. Likewise, I look forward to seeing Chelsea and Man City stripped of their achievements and relegated.
doant forget man utd . they have being under investigation for a couple of season and have been given two serious warnings.these clubs have been allowed to find their way around the laws and all that i see happening is massive fines. its all about greed
Maupay missed 50 point blank chances last year.
Everton have been operating under a sporting disadvantage for the last 5 years besides Carlo Ancelotti's tenure.
That is literally not what happened. They complied with league and all their signings had to be passed by the league to be finalised. The league changed the rule on loan interest a year into Everton's loan for stadium funding that 19.5m is that interest. That's it that is the only charge. they where informed in December of the rule change and charged in march. Incidentally Chelsea admitted to 4 accounts of a breach last November but a date for their punishments have not been set.
The thing with the 'You shouldn't punish the fans' argument is the fact those fans have enjoyed living high on the horse because of these breaches. Winning cups, signing star players or staying in the Prem ahead of teams that may have otherwise. Points deductions and relegations are just balancing things out. Besides, I would think teams like City and Chelsea would be glad to have a chance to shake off all their plastic supporters, and think of all the financial benefits for teams in lower leagues if they got to play a team like city at least twice?
Juventus and Rangers both paid the price and managed to bounce back, why should prem teams be exempt from severe punishments?
As a Toon fan I've read the FFP rules to death and still don't fully understand them. But I understood why we had to sell Maxi to sign Livremento and Hall, even though it felt like cutting our arm off. It's obvious that City and Chelsea had come to that decision years earlier and thought "fuck it. Lets' win everything and see what happens later". They should suffer a Juve and drop as far down as possible.
I'm gutted for Everton fans though. Their punishment seems unnecessary and I hope they survive this season.
Everton were not 20m 'over'........ That was Everton's 2.0 account.... Real figure was 300m plus
Everton broke the rules, other teams may have been relegated because of it. 10 points is fine.
UEFA has a 7 year statue of limitations however the prem does not. That's why Man city got away with it on a technicality in the UEFA Court case. They won't with the prem.
Actually the premier League has a limitations when you sign up to premier League ffp rules you sign up to a contract in English law they 6 year of limitations for contracts the premier League still have to abide by the law like any other company
@jiejejehsjehehdjdjhdhd no they don't. Just ask Google.
Is there a statute of limitations on the Premier League?
Regarding "time-barred," the Premier League is counting on the fact that unlike UEFA, there is no statute of limitations. When it comes to whether the breaches were not established, they'll have to be able to prove their case and as we saw with UEFA, that may not be straightforward.20 Nov 2023
I’m confused how are the fans being punished ??
City didn't win a case. They got out on a technicality.
Shaking in my boots 😂😂😂😂😂
What's interesting is that there were effectively two reasons suggested for why FFP was introduced in the first place: The declared one, which is that the league didn't want poorer clubs to gamble by spending money they didn't have trying to rise up the table (and risk bankruptcy if it failed), and the cynics' one, which is that the big teams didn't want new rich owners to be able to simply buy their way into the top table. Everton are clearly in the first category, and have been punished harshly. Man City are clearly in the second category, so I guess we'll wait to find out whether the cynics were right.
Drop city and chelsea to the bottom of the football league. The fans have had ten years of stolen trophies. Or transfer bans for at least three seasons, plus massive fines.
😂😂😂 did you enjoy your loss today
They will both be punished but NOTHING close to what they should be!
It's important to remember that Man City were actually found guilty of the charges.... in the UEFA case and faced a multi-year ban, but they were able to win on appeal due to a technical loophole.... Because The EPL kept their powder dry and let UEFA take the swing at City... they will be far better equipped to prosecute effectively.
Surely any punishment will have an effect on the fans?!
When you are talking about statute of limitations and illegal documents, under the Premier league rules, those don't exist as its not a criminal court, and there is no appeal process, and they can't go to CAS. This is why city are delaying and not producing documents as they exist and they know it. So the Premier league can go back as far as they need to, this is why Chelsea fc and Man City fc owners are really worried.
Exactly. People don't realize that there are procedures in evidence collection in public courts to prevent the state/government from abusing its power. This does not play a role in an internal league investigation.
They can if they can prove they are being singled out in anyway.
City and Chelsea are not bigger than Everton. They’re not bigger than Newcastle either.
Even if Man city get a 20 point deduction they will still finish above Manchester united 😂😂
No City have not won a case , it was dismissed due to a time bar and how the information was obtained
Wrong.
@@kaizooieewhy is that so ?
@@markfinch6794 Instead of just saying things you think are true, go and read the actual document on the CAS verdict. It has been made public.
Gordy “Man City aren’t a mega club”
City are more than quadruple the size of Newcastle 😂
Not a fan of either club. Newcastle get a bigger crowd than City for decades. City went from the same turnover as Wigan Athletic to a bigger turnover than Man Utd in 2 seasons! You don't need to be a finance expert to know that's bollocks.
Even if they was to punish the top clubs I don’t see them relegating them, that’s too much headache for everyone involved.
Yeah, they would wait to the end of the season and then do the math to make sure chelsea doesn’t get relegated, same for city, it will just end up gifting the title to arsenal which will be so annoying
FFP is a joke anyway. It's there so no other team breaks the Man United, Arsenal, Liverpool strangle hold on English football as those 3 teams did for the 80 years before Man City and Chelsea got in the mix. It's transfer bigotry.
"Man United, of course you can spend 400m a season, it's your right my love, errmmm excuse me, Newcastle united how dare you spend 132m this summer, your limit is 130!!, relegate them immediately "
😂 this is always the dumbest argument put forward from 5min fans.
Teams having successful eras building global fanbases..that's how they get to spend money. Unlike city and Chelsea who got sugar daddy lotteries.
If nobody interrupted Joey he'd just keep talking for 15 mins straight. Bloke loves the sound of his own voice.
where was this outrage when derby got -21 😂😂
And Reading get deducted points every other week!
Lol. You think the Premier League doesn't want the Merseyside Derby as compared to Chelsea vs Crystal Palace?
Jesus think about it, Everton are building a £750m stadium, which costs rose due to the pandemic and subsequent inflation due to shipping costs, a sponsorship that fell through because of the war in Ukraine, not everyday business risks
But they're weren't £20m over. They were nearly £200m over and were allowed to claim covid losses which is why the punishment is so severe
City didnt win the case against UEFA. CAS sided with them because of time expired, that was all. So most of the evidence in the UEFA guilt is relevant to the PL too. Plus the emails were published in De Spiegal so are in the public domain so can be used- especially as this isn't in a court of law.
All of these financial rules are an absolute load of bollocks. If the Premier League really wants to uphold sporting integrity, why not introduce a salary cap? Instead, it implements these ridiculous and ineffective half measures. If we’re being completely honest, why should an owner of a football club not be able to put in however much money into their club that they want? If Saudi Arabia or Abu Dhabi want to pump £1 billion into Newcastle or City, let them. The only reason I can see why they’re not allowed to is because the old guard are so desperate to hold on to their hegemonic status.
Premier league breaches are not time barred.
It's funny hearing Everton fans complaining that they've had a 10 point deduction for a much smaller offence, they clearly don't know how the legal system works.
Everton had 1 charge of spending 20 mil over their budget, they pleaded guilty, so there was no trial & they skipped straight to sentencing, because there's no point having a trial for someone who's admitting they're guilty, it's a waste of time, that's why the Everton process is much quicker.
Man City on the other hand have pleaded not guilty, so the burden of proof is on the premier league to prove the charges brought against them, that's why there's a trial, also the fact there's 115 charges, it's going to take so much longer to go over every single one of those with a fine tooth comb & debate every single one in court, that's why it's a much more drawn out process with Man City. It works the same way in relation to any criminal court case, why do you think YNW Melly has been fighting his double homicide charges since 2019? It's because the case is complicated & it takes a lot of work to both prove & deny any wrongdoing in a case a serious as that. Likewise with the Tate brothers, their trial won't be for another year or two because it's a complicated case. It isn't that Everton haven't done anything wrong, they broke the rules & deserved the punishment they got, but their case is different to the Man City case & therefore there were different time scales involved.
Ultimately though, if Everton were docked 10 points for a single 20 million violation, then Man City should be straight up kicked out of the league if they're found guilty of everything they've been accused of which is far worse.
Im glad the leauge fears an independent regulator. That should be the standard for every leauge. Using everton as a guinea pig is unfair imo. Hopefully city face justice. Won't be shocked if they don't however.
I hope that the "Mints" can bounce back from this and avoid relegation.
has anyone talked to Buvey about this?
What no one seems to be talking about is each club is being investigated for different things so just because Everton got done doesn't mean Chelsea and City will 😴
Yeah but City are being investigated for 115 charges with that many charges it’s likely at least one of those will be comparable to Everton it is different with Chelsea because we don’t know what the charges will be.
Relegate those plastic clubs.
Nothing will happen with City or chelsea, unfortunately. If anything happens with those two, then all of a sudden the Super League would be back on the table for the big 6.
5:18 . . . Golden😂
The punishments need to be on the owners and indaviduals that are breaking the rules when you give points deductions you are punishing the fans who have nothing to do with the corruption of the owners and execs
the fact Chelsea keeps getting dragged into this talks when the people who run FFP have said they are completely fine is proof no one really knows a thing about ffp lmao
I doubt City & Chelsea will get punished.
Big 6 are protected i think!
I would suggest 20 points a year, for the next 10 years for Man City etc.
so follow then Man City and Chelsea should not get punish if ther think wrong punish Everton becus hit the fans, then no reason for any follow any rules more.
Its not limitation in pl
Listening to these Chelsea fans desperately holding on to any reason they shouldn’t be punished is embarrassing.
Iwobi was 32 mil not 40 and we recouped 22 mil on that deal
He was 28 mil
@sukhdevr3489 thank you for correcting me 😁
Yeah they might be in trouble in about 2026 when labour have brought in an “independent” regulator to let them off! We all know where there alliances lie given current events 😂
Chelsea and city aren’t even in the same bracket when it comes to this😂
City have actually been charged with over 100 charges, Chelsea haven’t been charged with anything. People only bring them up due to the money spent without realizing they’ve also sold millions of pounds worth of players which was straight profit on the books and also almost halved the wage bill compared to last season.
A lot of people are not educated on the situation.
Chelsea haven’t been charged with anything. they have admitted to 4 breaches. Their new owner said the accounts had hidden payments through private accounts to hide charges. Chelsea are fucked.
Chelsea fan here, I like Josh but I think he's coping because of a fear that we could get fucked too. Everton deserved the punishment and if we are found guilty we will deserve it too and so will city.
There's no way the Premiership will go after city 😅 maybe yes to Chelsea now they are mid table club but no way they will go after city.
Chelsea are a giant like United and Arsenal especially in the PL era...
It's not a bad news for Chelsea... I'm more in for coming 8-9th and deduct 10 points to come at 15th rather than getting deducted in a good season to spoil it
Chelsea fan saying its a disgrace because he knows it sets a precedent and Chelsea have much bigger penalties lol
HAshtag Utd are bringing the ownership back!
But it’s not 20 million it’s closer to 200 million- talk facts
The fact Everton were punished so quickly and hastily while Man City have had years and will get years to defend themselves without an actual case is embarrassing, premier league is rapidly becoming a joke
*Quickly and efficiently. Just because they're dragging their feet with City doesn't mean the Everton punishment was incorrect.
@@braingum8509 where did I say it wasn’t correct? 😑
City going down City City going down tainted club anyways 😂
A group of football fans literally couldn’t get such serious points so wrong
No time bar
Man City didn’t provide innocence
Everton wasn’t punished for stadium money
Close tho lads
German fans don’t own clubs either ffs
Bad news for Newcastle too
I doubt it, this is why they’ve been playing by the rules to the nth degree
I really hope you didn’t like your own comment
Scaremongering title. Next.
There will be bad news coming if you hate Manchester City.
Man, you'd think folk would do a bit of basic research on the topic before bumping their gums in front of this many people. So lazy
If you can't fill out a beard or mustacho it looks like a rat tail
Sorry these comments they got no sporting advantage or fans shouldn't be impacted shows the real lack of education for these guys. Building a stadium will in time give a sporting advantage with more revenue etc and build something like city have over a period of time. While evertons is harsh they breached the rules. It's also. Very convenient the point deduction happend now and not last season as they woukd be relegated but will be safe this season, enough points on the board and only a couple point behind safety with a much better team. No real impact. City's fans know what their owners were doing and still supported it, still like to play victim about 115 charges.
Points deduction or relegation will impact city for 1 year only and fines will mean nothing to these owners. Something serious has to happen but premier are to scared to really do anything as could force clubs to super league and their money train is gone
Super league ain't happening new laws have been put into place
You guys are haters that's why man City fans don't watch this type video
Man City are bigger than newcastle
Man City attempted to destroy the beautiful game. They need to be stripped of everything
The charges against Man City are actually 6 not 115
It's 115 charges in six different areas of the rules so they can be grouped into 6 big charges or 115 smaller individual charges lol 😂
@@Sketch2805Studios 😂
@TheKickOff can I be a moderator please
Everton will survive we will never go down city and Chelsea are fucked let’s be honest
It would be relief for chelsea to get relegated 😂 their playergroup is so much more suited in there