Smallest Chainsaws Unboxed | ECHO CS-2511T vs DCS-2500T
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- Electric vs Gas??? What one would you choose? These two @ECHOTools #chainsaw options come in at an impressively small and light size. What #tool would you want for #work?
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My arborist switched over to that electric model for when he's climbing. No noise , less heat, very safe. If you have two batteries, that's more than enough power to trim up a very large tree. Great little tool.
Awesome feedback! Next time I go up, I honestly think I am going to be grabbing this 2500T. It isn't hard to pull over the little saws but if given an option, why would I. Cut tests are coming tomorrow, thank you for stopping by and watching!
I’ve been eyeing the 2500T for awhile. They’re pretty sweet little saws.
Doug, it is pretty impressive indeed. Cut Test coming tomorrow!
A couple of pretty cool saws there Oakie. 👍👍
Thank you sir!
This is awesome. Both of those look like they are great tools.
Batteries definitely have their place.
The cut test is coming tomorrow friend!
I had a 2500T for a little over a year. It’s a fantastic little saw. Being that I’m on the ground a vast majority of the time, I recently sold my 2500T to my buddy who climbs, as he wanted an identical backup setup for what he’s already running. He’s a BIG fan of the 2500T in the tree. The lack of noise, combined with the power of that little saw and the long battery life (I’ll come back to that part) make for a great saw in the canopy. A lot of folks in populated neighborhoods definitely appreciate the quiet nature of the 2500T. Back to battery life…
For limbing small stuff, the battery life on the 2500T is impressive. I’ve done two medium size ash and one schmedium pine on a single charge. For limbs larger than 4” or so, you’re going to smoke that battery pretty quick. Ultimately, this is what caused me to sell the saw. Being on the ground most of the time, I encounter a lot of limbs in the 4-8” range. I like a top handle for maneuverability, I often found myself reaching for my backup CS-310 because the battery died on the 2500T and I didn’t have a way to charge it on site…let alone want to stop to wait for it to charge. Granted, I fully acknowledge that the 2500T is not designed or intended to be used in the manner I was using it, and I didn’t do it often, but I did want to see how it did with larger limbs. It eats just fine…but that battery just doesn’t last long at all on bigger pieces. I’m going to buy a CS-355T with the funds from the 2500T sale. It’s just a better fit for my mixed needs on the ground, and will serve my buddy in the tree nicely if he needs more saw than the 2500T, but doesn’t want to fight or can’t fit a rear handle saw up there.
Now, the 2511T is no joke. Don’t let your initial out of the box impression fool you. Once you get it dialed in and run a dozen tanks or so through it (sounds like a lot…but the tank is tiny) I think you’ll be really impressed. For the size, it’s an animal of a saw. Definitely break it in a bit before you mod it, as you aren’t at a fair point to evaluate it from yet. For somebody that isn’t climbing full time, a stock 2511T is likely fine. They do mod really well though, if you just want something fun and unique. I’ve run a handful of 2511Ts, but don’t own one personally at the moment. When climbing, turn that the 2511T off between cuts or you may be surprised how quick you run out of fuel. That goes back to the tiny tank comment earlier! Sending the saw down for a fill up is a lot faster than waiting for a battery to charge.
Another thing to consider and be mindful of is rain. Battery saws and rain don’t mix. The 2500T battery connections aren’t sealed for moisture at all. Don’t fry it! Of course none of us want to climb and cut in the rain, but things happen, especially on a hot, humid stretch of summer weather. Figured it was worth throwing that out there.
Another quality video as always. Well done, Sir. Enjoy those little saws!
Get Jereme Bell AKA Bellhopper McCulloch Chainsaws on TH-cam to port your upcoming CS-355T. He ported, timing advanced and muffler modded mine and it's faster than a similar Stihl MS201T.
@@johnlincicum6390 Thanks for the heads up- I appreciate that!
@RFTwo I cannot thank you enough for all of that information you put into this comment. It really will help me understand my tools better and many other ppl that read it. This is what we are all here for! Do overall you were fairly happy with the 2500T from the sound of it and it is a great sign that your friend that has one (and uses it) wants another.
I have some cut tests coming up tomorrow and I think you may find them interesting. In fact, my muffler modded CS-310 comes out to play a bit and I also do a little with my ported 310.
I know what you mean about the breaking in thing. ECHO saws take their time when it comes to breaking in. My 620 sure did take a bit to really "loosen" up. I will do exactly as you say on this little guy. I am going to run it to get a good idea of what the saw is like stock. It is always good to know where you are at before you know where you want to go.
I have a friend that has a 355t and is very fond of the saw. Can I ask why you have such an affinity towards the Top handles saws? Have you considered something like the 501P? It is so nice and light weight is very capable. I am not sure about the vibration on the 355vs 2511 vs 501. That would be something to consider. I can see that maybe you could want to be able to hold a limb and trim with the other hand. Thank you for all the time you spent on this comment!
@@RFTwo you're welcome. Mine is on TH-cam from around June 2020!
@@oakiewoodsman Not sure how I missed your reply- apologies for the delay! I have several rear handle saws, including a 310, 620PW and 800P. The top handle saws are just so convenient for tight spaces, and I’d like to have one on hand for those rare times I am in a tree. I haven’t handled or run a 501P before. I’ll be sure to do so when I get the chance!
Holy smokes! I know you've been wanting a 2511t for a while! Me too... someday😁
I agree that it sounds a little constipated. Maby give it a couple tanks before modding/replacing the muffler.
While I'm not against battery electric tools or EV's, what I am against is forcing it on the general public. Battery electric absolutely has its place and advantages in certain areas. That said, I've always been a "petrol head" so I'd choose the 2511t👍🏻
I believe the oil caps from the electric Echo's will also fit the oil and fuel ports of the 2511, 590/620, 4910/501 and other Echo gas saws.
I hear ya on the battery stuff sir. I like options but not regulations myself. You are certainly very right about my desire to have this very saw. I can tell you, you will not want to miss the cut tests. Honestly, on my first climb I think I may grab the battery saw. Do you have a top handle at all AP? I also think the caps will fit. I am curious to see how I will like ECHO flip cap in the long run. As Mark has shown, the Husqvarna caps fit nicely on the 620P. Thank you as always AP!
@@oakiewoodsman excited to see the testing👍🏻 yes I have a Neotec ncs2500 and an old Poulan 2000 Woodsman that's in fantastic condition.
that is right. I remember you telling me that before. Please don't hold it against me ...... my brain is a bit fried hahaha
I really like my Echo saws. I have the 2511 rear handle. Never saw that little electric saw before.
DYNO JOE! Thanks for watching and coming on by. Your channel is doing so well sir, keep up the good work!
I'm up to 3 of the 2511t saws because I put one in my tractor, 1 in my side by side ams ther other under my seat in the truck.
One cool thing is that the starter handle is also a tool for the oil/fuel caps.
Thanks for the tip on the recoil start handle on the fuel caps. I think that is a super cool thing that ECHO does on most of their saws. The cuts tests are coming tomorrow and lets just saw, I was kinda shocked. You have a good setup with this handy little saw in so many places. Have you ever run the rear handle one?
I haven't run their rear handle saw and these 3 2511T's are the only Echo power tools I have. I bet it rips though!
I did put a set of WCS metal dogs on 1 of them so far and it made a big difference and I'll order 2 more on my next order.
I just want to make sure but I did not see a dog in the box, or maybe I missed it. The electric one had metal dogs on it. Is that how your came out of the box as well? Do you have a tendency to run them all fairly regularly or do you use one way more than the others?
Outstanding video, Joe. Digging the content 🙏🏿🇺🇸🪓
Thank you sir! Always appreciate you being here. If you have not seen the cutting comparison, it was also released as well. Have a good one and stay cool!
Excellent professional video!
I can’t wait to see more on these top handles!
Think battery is a no brainer up in the tree. Love the content you provide, have ordered tons of saws/parts/oil off saw suppliers and always excellent service. Steve Millen is the man ✊
Thank you Mark! Cut tests are coming tomorrow buddy. I found the results pretty interesting. Thank you for coming by once again Mark!
@@oakiewoodsmanawesome!
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Right on man! Thank you sir!
Great little saw's!
Cut test coming tomorrow! Very interesting Thank you much!
I’ve ran a few 2511Ts and they are GREAT for the small end, super light good power and when ported they are animals, for larger top handles I love the husky T540 MK III, I’ll be interested to see how you like the 2500
Cut tests coming tomorrow sir! I am impressed with the 2500. I think the tests were very interesting. Also, I am excited to get the Nano chain on the 2511T. All coming in the future.
Ha i like you included the thumbnail shots on the video
Glad you enjoyed it Mike! I have had a few good responses from it. Have a good one man!
I am going to have to go with the gas 2511,for now. I've run gas for to many years. Thanks good show.
Thanks for watching! The cut test are coming tomorrow friend and I think they are very interesting.
I think electric has its place and bought my dad a Stihl electric trimmer and chainsaw . It works out great just keeping it in his utv and cutting things off his trails
Indeed, I am thinking my dad could use one like this himself. Good for a certain market for sure!
If you like the 2511t you should check the 2511p it's a rear handle arbor saw awesome machine
Thanks for watching and thanks for the input. That little saw is pretty darn cool and I have held one in my hands at the dealer. I am curious to see how this saw does once I get it in wood a bit more. Cut tests coming tomorrow friend!
Japan can make some nice, reliable stuff. There is definitely a place for electric chainsaws in the work place. Most of the new bucket extension saws in our area are hydraulic. Saws and pruners.
Making thumbnails is my favorite 😅
Around here, you don't see the hydraulic tools used much any longer. What a mess to use! hahaha... you like that ending huh?
Electric definitely has its place. The first saw I ever used is a Dewalt saw. I used it for the initial cleanup of a 90 year old American Elm that split at my in-laws' farmhouse. It did a pretty good job with the initial cleanup. A good chunk of the tree stayed in the ground until it was pulled with a tractor a little over a year ago.
My Father-in-law's logic behind getting the Dewalt saw was that he already has their batteries for other tools used at the farm, doesn't use a saw often enough to run a gas saw without having carb issues, and by the time he has run through a battery, he needs to take a long break anyway.
Great story! Thank you for taking the time to share it. How was the power and battery life when you were using the saw? I have been impressed with my Ridgid battery saw for the most part. I do not like how the trigger is an on and off switch. It works out ok on that particular saw because it is relatively low chain speed. Wait until you see the cut tests tomorrow! Do you have a prediction?
@@oakiewoodsman I've never taken it to its battery life limit. It never bogged or got stuck while I was using it (of course, the wood was green at the time, so it cut a lot easier than when I got some firewood from it with my Stihl). Not having to warm up the saw is definitely a plus if you're only making a handful of cuts to clear branches that fell onto a waterway crossing or onto the edge of a field.
I'm guessing the battery saw will be slightly slower compared to the gas saw.
you bring up a very good point. Often times, we just need to make a couple cuts. That is often the case with limbs that have fallen. They may be too big to drag in one piece but 2-4 pieces make it easy to tackle. Great point for the electric. Good guess.............. There will be 3 saws compared in tomorrows video. The main focus is the 2 new ones. The other is just for a base line.
@@oakiewoodsman There's definitely something to be said in the case of having a battery saw that matches with the batteries your other tools use. It is nice to be able to take the same battery that you use with your drill, impact driver, skillsaw, etc and use it for a few quick chainsaw cuts.
have you seen that in EU they are legislating a uniform battery connection across all manufacturers? Thoughts?
I think electric has its place and bought my dad a Stihl electric trimmer and chainsaw . It works out great just keeping it in his utv and cutting things off his trails . I want Brock to get one and keep with his mill .
Brock does have a couple of electric saws but he is not a big fan of them from what I can tell. Thank you Todd!
@@oakiewoodsman didn't know he had any , and thought he didn't care for them
@@oakiewoodsman I want him to get some chainsaw pants but he fought me on that 2 ,lol 🤪
if you watching his recent hit on the cheap chainsaw video, he talks about them. Pants would be nice for sure!
@@oakiewoodsman I'll have to try and find it and re watch , I've watched all I think or almost all
Oh cute!
You got the garden gnomes a chainsaw!!
Electric definitely has its place in the armoury, I know someone who used his Dewalt top handle for years before he got his Husqvarna 545t and still uses the old Dewalt sometimes.
You have got to see the cut tests coming tomorrow! The Husky stuff is sure nice to run. I love my 545 and 562 in terms of how they feel. I like my echo stuff in terms of simplicity and reliability.
@@oakiewoodsman I have serious doubts that any Husqvarna 500 series will still be running in 20 years. The Echos might. That said, I am working on two saws right now-one from the 1970s and one from the 1960s that will probably outlive me.
indeed! I can see the simple machines winning the test of time.
One day ill have a top handle saw i hope! My daughter got me a Peavy for fathers day. It's the type that will hold a log up off the ground also so thats a plus! Better than the proyama top handle by far I'm guessing so have fun!
The quality is far better and it is much smaller. I am not sure it has significantly more power however. The weight is really where this saw shines. You have got to see the cut tests sir!
Late , my phone was dead 🤪
Your alright man!
Nice video bud! Enjoy those saws and definitely think about at least doing a muffler mod on the 2511- it's very stopped up!
I am going to get some fuel through it a get the long ECHO break in process done. Once I feel it has loosened up, I will start exploring. Thank you for stopping by friend!
Joe I never heard of a .325" low profile chain, just regular .325" and I have one on a 28" bar on my old McCulloch Pro 10-10 Automatic. It's 103 drive links. I have an Echo CS-355T that's been ported, timing advanced, and muffler modded by Jereme Bell AKA Bellhopper McCulloch Chainsaws on TH-cam. Mine is faster than a similar Stihl MS201T.
I forgot you had that saw. I have heard those saws can be made very strong and I didn't realize you had one from Bellhopper. How is the vibration? I am super excited to run the .325 nano chain. Cut tests coming tomorrow buddy!
@@oakiewoodsmanI bought it at my local dealership here in Illinois and mailed it to him 2 days later. I didn't want to put gas in it and then have to ship it since it was brand new. I don't think the vibration is bad. I keep the rakers stock at .025" on all of my saws. I'm always cutting hard wood. The power is incredible for a 35.8 cc saw. I can bury the stock bar and (safety chain) that's 16". It cuts fast even though it is safety chain.
@@oakiewoodsman you have to get a close up of the .325" low profile chain in the video. It would be nice to see it side by side regular .325" chain.
I can do that.... I do not have a brand new .325 and I honestly have one semi chisel and one full chisel if I recall correctly. Thanks for the idea man!
The sticker on the charger is a protective film. You are supposed to rip it off, not glue it on :)
If you are correct, I may go crawl into a cave! 😉thanks for the heads up!
@@oakiewoodsmanno need to go so extreme :D Many people miss this point the same way, probably the protective film should have that typical colored corner instead, to give a more clear and usual hint for peeling it off.
ummm..... It certainly doesn't look like the standard protective film. hahaha
👍👍 would go for the 2511- don’t want another battery platform. I have a cheap ryobi pole saw, 18v 1.5 ah and 2.0ah battery. You can do a lot of cutting with that little battery, I suspect that echo battery will surprise you.
I can see that for sure CF. I have done my best to have one platform for many years. Then Ryobi came in when I got the battery pole saw. One of the biggest things to consider is how many good quality tools fit in the platform. This was my first experience with the ECHO battery platform and I look forward to testing it a bit more. Cut tests coming tomorrow! This 2511T could use a muffler mod however.
Never messed with one of those- I understand you need a pipe or it will melt the plastic. If you know where it needs to go, and the angle- send it my way. I can melt a pipe into it!
You know, that makes a lot of sense. I will likely get some sort of pipe for it when it comes time. I wonder if the 2500 would benefit from a pipe?? hehe.
Me thinks that is a pipe dream. 🤪
hahahaah... 902 suggested I adjust the L jet on the battery saw to get the delay out!
For the amount im going to use a top handle the proyama will have to do 🥺 but the echos are sweet.
Is it working well for you? Those little saws can be very good my friend. Like you said, if you are not going to be using it much, I bet it will be sufficient for you in the long run. This little 2511T is very light and has lots of potential to make big power at such a small size.
@@oakiewoodsman yes exactly id love to have the echo much better quality but the proyama does the job very well. If i climbed the tree instead of aerial lift then i think the battery is what i would buy. Im surprised the saw only comes with one battery which is a drawback. Have a great day 💪
well, the saw is already fairly pricey with the one battery. If they had a comprehensive lineup of saws and other equipment (they have some already) it would be easy to have enough chargers and batteries to do what you needed. As a stand alone unit, the value proposition isn't there for me. However, if you need the rest, PAS system, blower other saws etc, it suddenly works out very well.
That chain is so tight im surprised the saw can turn it. As soon as you let off the gas the chain stops on a dime. I think thats would make it a touch tight. The chain should move around the bar FREELY. For some reason I see guy after guy running there chains way WAY to tight. The biggest issue I see is the lack of performance. There is a Long list of reasons to NOT run the chain so tight. AND more importantly ON BREAK IN... You are breaking in the piston with a insane tight chain causing the saw to almost NOT turn it... This seams REALLY REALLY DUMB... Now when you go to cut something you are going to say wow this saw NEEDS a muffler mod and a air filter and a port job. and so on... When all you had to do is put a little slack into the chain.... Blows my mind when I see people think they have to TIGHTEN up the chain... Think about this. Ever owned a BMX bike? Did you fully tighten the chain so it had NO slack... WE ALL DID... And found out the hard way you DONT over tighten a chain IT NEEDS to move FREELY. And with the friction of a chainsaw pressing the chain INTO the bar metal on metal its MORE important then EVER... RANT.... sorry. =)
Seams like folks have NO idea if something is working properly or not. I see this AL the time... Ive seen a guy run a saw and struggle cutting a simple log stalling it bogging it over revving it NOT a smooth cut at any point of the cut and the saw was NEVER held in a good position.. His technique was HORRIBLE. It was like giving the saw to your 10 year old daughter and telling her to go cut up a tree... USER ERROR. I saw this guy cut down a maple tree call it an ash and then somehow his NEW 500i was having issues this that and the other... USER ERROR. There are so many guys who watch a video on youtube about cutting up trees go buy a 1500 saw and not even have the idea of how to run it. IM no pro but all my saws work and ive had LIKE ZERO issues over the years of work... Running your chain so tight it cant even move at full gas is a sign of an AMATURE. You got echo to send you stuff to test when you cant even install a bar and chain correctly?? You can go watch my video on how to properly install a bar and chain I just remembered I did one lol... Wont matter you will do it the same way over and over and WONDER why your sprocket is junk why your bar looks trashed all around the chain guides and wonder why your saw is wore out and the saw bogged out in the cut all the time.
I have never been told a chain is too tight, rather most often people like to mention the chain being too loose. I cannot recal and I am not going back to find out but I think that maybe I did have the chain too tight and readjusted, but you know as a fellow youtuber, we do something called editing and if I showed every detail about everything I did, I am not sure I would have an audience. Do you mean to come across the way that you did? Oh wait, you have another comment. Let me check on that one.
Oh, you did mean to come across like that. I find that assumptions get me in trouble. Do you find that as well? I also like how you are trying to predict the future as well. One more thing, did you know that new bars have paint on the rails that keep the chain from sliding easily? Did you know they were also dry with no oil? Did you also know that the chain will stretch? I certainly hope you were trying to help because there are many ppl in the comment section that do just that. I also do my very best to not come off as arrogant and unteachable in my videos. Maybe you ought to watch a bit more and listen to some more of what I say before you Rant in the comment section.
@oakiewoodsman I agree. I've watched you with alot of chainsaws and I don't feel you have over tightened chains.
@@oakiewoodsman I call bull shit. PAINT on the rails to keep it from sliding easy so the saw cant turn it... Yes a NEW chain will stretch you should watch my video on how to install a chainsaw bar on your chainsaw it will teach you how.. Get off your high horse and learn sometimes. When you have a brand new saw and the chain cant even turn then you start to tell others how to run a saw... Give me a break... You cant even put a bar and chain on a saw correctly....