Tesla Hardware 3 - Can Your Car Be Upgraded?
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- Our Quick Guide to understanding whether or not your Tesla qualifies for the Hardware 3 retrofit/upgrade. We look at all the hardware configurations and help you make sense of it all. If you find this helpful please like and share.
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Dang, you’ve done your research. 👍🏽
Whew, that’s a lot of information!
Thank you for compiling it and presenting it as you did. You kept it super simple as promised!
Your videos are great and I reckon this information just wasnt out when you made it so I thought I would add it.
AP2.0 - you made an error. The AP 2.0 for those who purchased the full self driving option on AP2.0 cars, Tesla will, for free, upgrade you to the Tesla FSD (3.0) computer. The cameras are NOT monochrome and when upgraded to 3.0 FSD computer, you will be able to use not only Sentry mode recording but also Tesla Dashcam recordings (in colour). This is irrespective of whether or not you upgrade to MCU2. My 2017 P100DL has FSD option paid for and I'm getting my FSD 3.0 upgrade next week. I have not decided yet whether or not I will get MCU2. Perhaps when my warranty runs out I will...but to be honest i dont find the computer that slow and I also dont care about netflix or youtube in the car.
I disagree that HW2 cannot be upgraded. People (like me) have bought the FSD feature a long time ago and tesla has to make that promise work as it is legally binding. So, they will upgrade the FSD computer and if necessary also the MCU1 and cameras. They have no choice in this matter
Hey Steven, thanks chiming in. It's quite alright to disagree, but as we said in the video "as of this video" there is no conclusive evidence that HW2.0 can be upgraded as nobody who has a HW2.0 car has been upgraded. That doesn't mean, it is impossible, and doesn't mean that Tesla won't find a solution, it just mean right now as of this video there isn't a path to upgrade. Tesla could reveal a solution next week that could work.
Another great, interesting, and well researched video. Keep up the good work. 👍
Thanks for putting this together for all us Tesla owners. Time for a trade-in for me, I guess; unless Tesla comes to the rescue of their early S/X FSD buyers who kept the company afloat when they needed us the most
There are way too many owners in this boat including us so, I think they have to come through. 🤞🏽
@@BlackTesla Yes, thanks again for providing us the latest information as you know it. If Tesla is the company we know it is, they will come through for all their early S/X FSD buyers. I think they will.
You get the crown for Professionalism. Well Done
I have August-2018 Model S 100D with enhanced Autopilot , I'm planning to upgrade from MCU2.5 to MCU3 + Radio that is going to cost 3000$. They didn't mention anything about upgrading the Cameras (I don't have FSD). They encourage me with this investment to benefit from a much better/faster CPU & screen performance , stronger LTE signal. My ask is , was this a wise move ? How to benefit from MCU3 , is it true if I subscribe to FSD then they will upgrade all the cameras ?
It's a great investment if you plan on keeping the car for a few years. You'll have a faster touchscreen and benefit from SOME of the latest software features. More importantly you won't have to worry about your cars currently MCU getting slow and rebooting often. If you subscribe to FSD Beta they may not have to upgrade the cameras as I think they figured a way around that.
I have two vehicles. I have a Model S with AP2.0 that is on the list for FSD (2.0 to 3.0 retrofit upgrade), and a Model 3 that had AP 2.5 and was upgraded to FSD (AP2.5 to 3.0 retrofit). The entire process to retrofit the car took over 2 hours or 5 hours if you include firmware updating and re-calibration.
Congrats. Yes takes longer depending on where your service center is.
Very thorough, can't wait to get my MCU 2 AP2.5 system upgraded to the FSD bought at purchase
Hey Kacey, How does one know if they have the MCU 2? I'm shopping used so tesla account access from prior owner is usually not an option.
I purchased FSD with my 2017 Model X AP 2.0/MCU 1. I had reached out to Tesla asking if an upgrade to AP 2.5 and/or MCU 2 would be necessary, and they said no. Only a swap out of the AP computer for the FSD computer would be necessary.
I'm curious about where you got your info about MCU 1 and AP 2.0 not being eligible?
David Pullen I am in the same boat w you. Model S 2017 AP 2.0/MCU 1. FSD paid for. Will be extremely disappointed if I cannot upgrade. Refunds need to be available it it is not possible.
We've done a fair bit of research, but feel free to do your own due diligence. There are tons of discussion and debate online about this topic so my so our sources range from enthusiasts and Tesla inside sources. Perhaps the rep you spoke to thought you had 2.5+MCU2 but if it's not that there is more work than swapping out the computer. We suspect Tesla is buying time to come up with a cost effective solution for MCU1 owners.
We also have AP2.0 and MCU1 so refunds at the least but I think they are working on a solution to upgrade MCU1 to 2.
Black Tesla thank you for an awesome resource!
@@BlackTesla yeah, I was clear with them about my hardware config. Honestly, I'm dubious about their answer, and I certainly wouldn't mind an MCU upgrade.
If they can't follow through on upgrading older cars, I suspect they are going to have a class action lawsuit on their hands. I'm sure they are working diligently to avoid that and do right by early investors.
Is it too much to request you and your team make an updated video? Since MCU2 now has a path from MCU 1 it might help to have an updated video to share! Love the content!
Thanks for the suggestion and for watching. We will make several update videos on things Tesla changed.
MCU 1 and ECU 2.5 get Tesla Cam and Sentry mode on the front and repeater cameras. With MCU 2 you get the added bonus of the rear cam.
Do you need ECU 2.5, or is ECU 2.0 with MCU 2 sufficient for having Sentry Mode?
Always with knowledge! Great video
So this is why you should lease a Tesla because the hardware can't keep up with the software. Tesla people don't talk much about this. This is not like a gas engine where it can last 10-15 years.
That's a fair point, leasing is def the way to go IF you want to keep up with the latest and greatest. That said if you buy and intend to keep for 8+ years you certainly can it's just a matter of cost vs value at that point and whether it makes sense to buy a new car.
Man I was In The unlucky group that got their Model S during the March delivery window where some got MCU 2 and some MCU 1.... of course I got MCU 1 with 2.5 Hardware... also paid for full autopilot.... hope they make a pathway or I just got double screwed lol!
FSD 2.0 or 2.5 cars get a FREE upgrade to 3.0 (FSD computer), irrespective of whether or not they have MCU 1 or have upgraded to MCU2.
MCU has NOTHING to do with autopilot, only the visualizations of the autopilot software. So it is not a limiting factor.
quote from Tesla "Tesla cars with Full Self-Driving Capability and Autopilot Computer 2.0 or 2.5 are eligible for a complimentary upgrade to the FSD Computer. Schedule your installation from the Tesla app by selecting 'Schedule Service' > ‘Accessories' > ‘Upgrades & Installations’ and add ‘FSD Computer Upgrade' in the description."
Source: www.tesla.com/support/full-self-driving-computer
Yes they saw this video and worked on a solution 😉
According to a recent tweet from @elonmusk on December 18, 2019, "MCU (infotainment computer) upgrade not recommended imo. Isn’t needed for full self-driving & cost is ~$2k for limited entertainment improvements." See twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1207416732609990656. So it would appear that Models S/X with MCU1 and AP2.0/2.5 hardware can indeed be upgraded to AP3.0 hardware without upgrading to MCU2.
Yep he revealed this which means they came up with a solution to make it work!
Many thanks for the comprehensive overview of auto-pilot. I’ll keep watching your channel in hope that someday my late-2014 machine can be upgraded at all.
Great informative video. Tesla should pay you for making it!
Thanks for clarifying this! I'm a Jan 2017 Model X so it looks like I may be screwed. Hoping they come up with a solution but it sounds like it's a nightmare--new cameras, new computers, new wiring etc. I would consider a discount on a new Tesla for the amount I paid for FSD at the time, with the FSD option thrown in for free, as this essentially discounts a new car by about $15,000 and costs them nothing.
FSD 2.0 cars get a FREE upgrade to 3.0 (FSD computer), irrespective of whether or not they have MCU 1 or have upgraded to MCU2.
MCU has NOTHING to do with autopilot, only the visualizations of the autopilot software. So it is not a limiting factor.
First of all...thank you for this information since Tesla doesn’t share. I really wish I had known all this before I bought my 2017 MS75. I still love the car, but don’t like they way Tesla allows us to purchase things and get excited about improvements that won’t work in our cars. Just builds distrust in Elon and the mission.
Agreed they've made some questionable choices in hardware. However, they are pioneering in an area nobody else has so they are figuring it out as they go along. This is the cost of innovation, and at the time when they built your 2017 75D they thought it had everything needed to get to FSD. That said let's give them a chance to see if they can possibly figure out a way to retrofit all applicable cars with HW2 with new capabilities.
Great video
So does that mean Hardware 2.0 + MCU 2 does not have Sentry mode?
Hardware 1 + MCU2 doesn't have true sentry mode meaning it will alert an intruder but not actually record from the cameras. Hardware 2 + MCU2 will record as of a newer software updates beyond the time of this video.
Thanks for update ,our X was built Nov 2018 100D MCU 2 AP2.5 .the odd thing is it came with EAP but Tesla are asking for £5900.00 for FSD ????? which is a lot just to see the cones.
Yes a lot but is going up in price so might be worth getting it now.
@@BlackTesla because the car has EAP they told us it would be £2000.00 in May this year when we got the car ,also in UK enhanced summon and few other things are not aloud because of EU & UN rules, so maybe sell the X and buy model 3 as it seems they have every thing and more up to date .
Great job putting this together, Black Tesla! Thank you so much. I’ve got an August 2018 Model 3 with FSD purchased at the time of order, on my vehicle’s window sticker, west coast. It sounds like I have to wait until all S & X’s in the country have been finished, or is it just the west coast ones?
We suspect that they will get a bulk of S/X owners done then shift to M3 especially by end of year.
Black Tesla Then I can marvel at traffic cones too! 😂 Thank you so much 😊
Perfect video!
This goes on my save list and thank you for the research.
Thank you. Since people are not taking into consideration when this video was made before updating the comments just note that since this video Tesla has introduced an upgrade path for AP2 and MCU1 allowing them to be upgraded to HW3. 👍🏾
@@BlackTesla Well that's good news cause that's my target market.
BTW, you sound like Rich Rebuilds? Great job. Ty
Thanks for breaking that down! Very good explanations.
GREAT EXPLANATION!!!!!!!!!!!! Also, the voice is amazing, total radio voice. Happy holidays.
Thank you 😁
02/18 mfg date MX, just got FSD still calibrating. Guess I just made the cut. Think I may have been first off the MFG line that year serial # 088000
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just sucks to have bought an newer ap2.0 car just to see that a few months later 2.5 and mcu2 is here with teslacam and sentry mode -_-
Don't need the ap3 for fsd in Europe because of the stupid regulations. Still more hw power and less consumption would be nice.
and then there is still the idiotic nand problem with a full storage and even more write cycles on my mcu 1
Yes just about every Tesla owner 1yr or older has experienced this and it's very discouraging but it's also the price of agile innovation. However let's give Tesla a chance to at least make it right with an MCU upgrade for additional features.
whose footage was thata early in the video with the white model S?
This video was too busy. The big picture on the left and those 3 on the right almost had a dizzying affect on me (the speed on the right pictures). Add to that the information you were sharing-the audio. My brain could not process it all. I really want to understand and will view a few more times to get it. I’m only speaking for me, it was just too busy.
Thanks for the feedback and candor!
What about the east coast?
East coasters also have a group 1 and that's the group we were in!
Black Tesla That is good to know, but it feels like a “complex” process. I’m not expecting a call until 2020.
Forgive my question, please. YOu have a wonderful video but is your info reliable? I have a Model3 with build date of June/2019 and how do I know if I have hardware 2.5 or 3? As per this video, I should have hardware 3.0 but my Model 3 does not see cones. I have not driven the newest update as yet or update: 2019 .40.50.1. Please help?
Thanks for the comment and it's totally fine to ask questions. Our info is vetted from employees and owner enthusiasts alike. That said, if you bought a Model 3 in June 2019 it is possible that it was built earlier than April 2019 which would mean you have hardware 2.5. If you have update 2019.40 or higher and you see cones then you have HW3, if you have that software or later and don't see cones you have 2.5.
On the sticker on the lower part of my B pillar there is no production date. (Switzerland) There is only the VIN. According info in the internet you will not find out the month or the date of production for Teslas by only having the VIN. Do you have the production date printed on the B pillar sticker in the US?
Thanks for the comment. You can ask your Tesla advisor to lookup your VIN to determine the production month/year.
Well, I went to Tesla and got my Winter Tire package, and found that Model 3’s aren’t getting their HW3 upgrades yet. Only S’s and X’s like KITT are getting them now. Ahhhh well.
Yes, Model 3s are deprioritized for Model S/X but that should change come Jan 2020.
Great video, Answers alot of my questions. One other that I may have missed. If I sell my MX does the FSD transfer to the new owner and if not, can they buy it ala carte from tesla in order to be eligible for the ECU 3.0 upgrade?
Good question, my best guess is that if you buy FSD and have the hardware installed then FSD stays with the vehicle open change of ownership. If you purchased FSD and have not had the hardware installed it should still be able to be installed after change of ownership, but that will be up to Teslas discretion. Bottom line you should look to get the hardware upgrade before selling to you can add that cost to the price of the vehicle 😉
Besides the date that the car was built, how can you definitively confirm which hardware the car has? I bought mine right at the transition point from 2.5 to 3 and would like to verify.
Thank you.
If you are trying to determine whether you have 2.5 or 3, all you need is any software newer than 26.1 and if you see cones in your visualization then you have HW3, if not it's HW2.5.
Thanks for this video.
I bought my model 3 SR+ in september 2019, and it still has hardware 2.5 (as I checked in the new "additional information about the vehicle" dialogbox). I think Tesla installed the last units of hardware 2.5 in the cheaper version of model 3.... Regards from Madrid, Spain.
Congrats on the M3! We have heard that there is some overlap with the computers phasing out with the less expensive M3 models! Nonetheless with M3 you can upgrade with just the swap of HW3 computer.
Thanks for your analysis. Great job. I own a March 2018 model S with Autopilot.
Paid $3000 a while back for FSD after Tesla sent me the lower price offer. Live in MA and waiting for the new computer.
I don’t expect the full functionality until next year. I assume Tesla wants to see how early access drivers do with it before rolling it out to the fleet. Now Massachusetts Senator Markey wants Tesla to disable Autopilot until a solution to sleeping drivers can be solved. He saw the TH-cam video of a sleeping driver on the Mass Pike. I won’t be voting to re-elect him.
Yeah saw that Markey video , Tesla and innovation has many enemies. Let's hope they don't succeed.
Very helpful. Thanks
For some odd reason there are reports on of Model 3’s that have HDW 2.5 but were built in Sept 2019.
I've not heard that, but have heard people buying new inventory model 3's in september that were built earlier and have HW2.5
First time seeing your channel - Great Video! I am one who thinks they know a good bit about Tesla but you for sure taught me something!
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Great video! Very interesting.... I got mine upgraded on Nov 7th when my Sept 2018 MX was there for a tire repair and brake cleaning. I live in Chicago area.
Awesome, have noticed any notable differences?
Hi - can you please tell which editing software do you use to make a video like this . Thanks
Premiere Pro CC
Break it down!
I have a 2018 Model 3 with full self driving and it was built 12/18 and it’s the 2.5 so I should eventually be able to get the upgrade mentioned when it’s my turn?
Great question. The first thing is that if you do not have Hardware 3.0 computer you don't have full self-driving enabled, you've just paid for full self-driving. Thats the main point that confuses people. That said, if you paid for full self-driving check with your service center to see when you can get you hardware 3.0 computer installed. Once installed then you will have full self-driving features enabled.
I think you're in same position as me. Ours was built 6/18, has the same hardware setup as you, and I'm scheduled for the upgrade this coming Monday, 7/20.
Model 3 Dual Motor Purchase date: January 2019
Good afternoon. I'm proud to know that I am eligible for the 3.0 upgrade. The cost according to my Tesla app will be $4,000.00 which appears to be $2000.00 dollars cheaper probably due to the purchase of Enhanced AutoPilot prior to delivery.
Once again, thanks for the clear explanation.
Keep up the good work.
You most likely paid $5,000 for the Enhanced Autopilot when you ordered the car, as I did. In August of 2019 I received an invite to pay an additional $3,000 for "future" full self-driving. The invite specified that the price would increase on August 16th, but did not say how much the increase would be. I suppose it is now $4,000.
Paul C wauw full self drive 😳😳😳
Thanks for the info, very helpful & explained well. I do have a question...I know I have EAP 2.5 (ECU 2.5) car was built in Dec 2018, How can I check if I have + MCU2 as well? Have the M3PD+ Thank you.
The easiest way to tell is to see if you have Tesla Theater. If you do you have MCU2 if you don't then you have MCU1. I believe all model 3's have MCU2 so you should be good.
Yes I do have TESLA theater. Thanks brother. I just can’t see me paying for FSD Bc EAP does the same thing, except showing cones, stop signs, red lights etc...Is it really that much faster computer chip the EAP 2.5? 🤔
God breakdown on the path to Hardware 3.0. So... those of us on the East coast will be the late comers, right? In addition, this means that if you are a model 3 owner on the East coast, you have the longest wait.
The example I gave was just the order, but they started this since September and east coast started in October hence how we got ours. Group 1 east coast should be done end of Nov then on to the others. So model 3 east coast should be Dec or Jan....our best guess though
Don't worry European and many other countries will probably have much longer wait then anyone in the US.
When mcu 2 came out I recall Tesla saying that you could upgrade at a cost. Am I confusing this with something else?
No you're right but we have not seen this yet. As far as we know, nobody has upgraded from MCU1 to MCU2 so it seems Tesla ran into an issue upgrading after making that statement.
@@BlackTesla interesting thanks for the info
Impressive!
I have hardware 1 :(
Keep an eye on this page: www.tesla.com/support/infotainment
Having a newer MCU is a better experience over MCU1 which isn't HW3 but better nonetheless.
Wait did you say MCU 1 with hardware 2.5 is not able to get hardware 3?
Definitely didnt say that. They definitely will get upgraded but not at the moment since Hardware 3 isn't compatible with MCU1 and there isn't a known path to upgrade MCU1 to MCU2 "yet". Hang tight, Tesla will provide and path.
All good then.
This is an absolute outrage! What about those of us that paid for Full Self Driving and have Hardware 2?
As always, thanks for the video though!
Don't get upset just yet, we've made an emphasis to say "as of this video". Tesla could change something next week and make it a reality. Let's see what they can do and we suspect that come Q1 2020 they will have a solution for HW2.
FSD 2.0 cars get a FREE upgrade to 3.0 (FSD computer), irrespective of whether or not they have MCU 1 or have upgraded to MCU2.
MCU has NOTHING to do with autopilot, only the visualizations of the autopilot software. So it is not a limiting factor.
Big up! Way to break it all down thank you!
Thank you. Thank you for taking the time and answering!!! Am I not owed Hardware V 3.0 or, can I purchase it? I paid for FSD, $ 7000 but I don't see anything remotely similar to what others are reporting on thier screens and I am very sad, right now.
Depending on the year and config of your car that will determine when you will get your HW3. Elon says Q1 2020 they will update older cars so stay tuned.