@@AcousticOlli I also haven't really seen anyone mention the death mechanics in Hollow Knight in the comments here. Anyone who has ever watched an LP of HK knows that the first thing people say when they die and figure that out is "oh it's like Dark Souls I have to go get my stuff where I died." It's reasonable for him to not be interested in playing the game since he's a speedrunner and the movement mechanics are quite different, and that would be pretty important to a speedrunner. But it seems like his annoyance at the people asking him means he now has to deny that it's similar in any respect, which was just annoying for me to listen to as someone who didn't know him before clicking this video.
@@AcousticOlli Everything about it is inspired by Metroid and Zelda II. There's very little direct inspiration from Souls; there are similarities but every similarity is much better explained by shared source material rather than one being part of the other's genre. If you flip it around and argue that DS1 is a Metroidvania that would actually be a much better argument than the one that puts "hard game with environmental storytelling" as the only criteria for a game being souls-like.
zeus dünyanın en gizli toksik insanı olabilir lol. i used to like his content, but back when ivhen had the WR with 1:06:49 IGT he blamed him for cheating where he got it on stream, lmao. he was jealous as fuck. thats where the majority of bloodborne’s “true” speedrunners started to dislike him.
Yeah, but lets be real, Hollow Knight does take clear influence to souls with its design and atmosphere. It's just a wildly different game, with the only real similarity being challenging bosses.
@@basedneet_n3w0rd3r the core gameplay is entirely different. You can only draw connections in the most basic ways such as “you explore areas, there are difficult bosses”
@@owainglyndwrlastprinceofwa2486 it's not basic in the way hollow knight is a soulslike. Soulslike isn't just defined by gameplay for me, or we would just call them action adventures and be done with it. How the lore is presented, the feel, atmosphere, how quests work, ect
You know, I think is FromSoft designed a boss after this guy, the beard should be a weapon, coated in blood as he eats a piece of toast in the cutscene before he inevitably destroys everyone
Timestamps for all the bosses Shadows of Yharnam 7:54 Father Gascoigne 13:44 Rom, the Vacuous Spider 17:50 The One Reborn 21:47 Micolash, Host of the Nightmare 27:56 Mergo’s Wet Nurse 32:57 Amygdala 37:15 Darkbeast Paarl 39:32 Blood Starved Beast 40:48 Cleric Beast 43:16 Celestial Emissary 49:12 Ebrietas, Daughter of the Cosmos 50:14 Vicar Amelia 53:25 The Witches of Hemwick 56:40 Martyr Logarius 1:01:14 Ludwig the Holy Blade 1:06:56 Living Failures 1:10:32 Lady Maria of the Astral Clocktower 1:12:20 Orphan of Kos 1:15:15 Laurence the First Vicar 1:19:00 Gehrman the First Hunter 1:20:22 Moon Presence 1:21:11
I like this dude but God of war combat is very good, I might even say on the same level as bloodborne. People give this game shit because it's mainstream I want to see you try the final Valkyrie on give me god of war ( coming from a person that actually did it) and then tell me the combat is shit :)) play it on higher difficulty and you'll see how essential the many combos variety really is
4:30 "Just because you aren't good at a game doesn't mean its 'Souls-like'" Oh my granola, that is the best burn I've heard this year. Also, Hollow knight is not a Souls-like... its a Metroid-vania. And Zeus explained that right after... watch the video before commenting...
@@dalgusmaximus4557 no the bosses were why I said it’s combat was shit. The bosses are horrendously unbalanced. Look at that one boss in the soul place with the dozens of armoured guys that roll across the floor. That was extremely unbalanced
Been watching him for a little while now. He seems a little more agitated then he used to be when he disagrees with people. Which is not a bad thing. Just hope he takes a little break when he feels like he needs to.
Same here, the whole hollowed knight thing is def pressing him. He’s answered the same question a million times and ppl are still asking and making comparisons.
He's acting like a bit of a dick with it all to be honest. I get you don't enjoy answering the same questions, but he's gone off on full tangents calling people fucking idiots and everything for asking a simple question. Not everyone on his streams is a regular, he can't expect a new person to come in and immediately know he's gonna blow a gasket if they ask about Hollow Knight. He needs to take a step back and chill the fuck out.
I’m 100% certain you’ve never worked in customer service... that’s basically what his job is, replying to repetitive questions, dealing with trolls and stressing for a PB because he’s a speed runner, that’s what he’s supposed to do, he’s not paid to be your buddy who has to be nice and sweet and he’s fully aware that if he alienates you he might lose you as a sub, he’s fine with that because he wants to be honest, but the veil wears pretty thing when people keep trying to convince him to play a game he has 0 interest in playing.. try and understand it from his point of view my man
@@x192743tf I mean, his mom was recently diagnosed with cancer. Among other unsavory things going on elsewhere, chill out and maybe understand where he's coming from. Answering the same questions constantly is annoying. He's not being paid to answer the same question every stream, every five minutes.
Gonna watch this later today! It will probably motivate me to go back to bloodborne after about a year of not playing. Love your AGDQ runs bro! Good luck out there.
Wow, I haven't seen you in a while Zeus and that is a stunning improvement from the first time I say you and your glorious mane at AGDQ, congratulations on the progress!
I'm only eight minutes along but this Hollow Knight discussion is really getting to me 😂. I think HK SHARES notable qualities with soulsborne, but it's far from anything soulslike. The manner of storytelling, the difficulty and some of the atmosphere and some metroidvania elements are the biggest similarities. But ultimately, Soulsborne is a dungeon crawler type game with great character customisability where every enemy can pose a significant threat, and the combat is far more convoluted. That's not to mention things like art direction, level of humour and just graphic and disturbing shit. HK and soulsborne share qualities, but they aren't alike. Thank you for coming to my TEDtalk
Yeah, tbh, when you really get down to it most games will share qualities with other games, just because that's how video games work. I love HK and I love Soulsborne, but I don't love them because I think they're similar, I love them because they're all great games in their own right. HK doesn't have to be compared to a Soulsborne in order for it to be good lol. It's a Metroidvania WAY before it's a Soulslike, and some people aren't into Metroidvanias, so why people keep insisting Zeus play it when he's repeatedly stated that it doesn't seem like his kind of thing, I don't know.
@@Twilightingale21 Hollow Knight on radiant is a challenge more difficult than some Souls games, but that doesn't make it a souls game. It's a very difficult metroid masterpiece, nothing more nothing less. If you don't like metroidvania games you will hate Hollow Knight. Nobody should waste their time on a genre they're just not into, as much as I love simping for the game.
@@Ghaiothy well I have, and that doesn't make sense, shadow of the colossus is about a guy going into a forbidden land and exploring it, and that came out before the souls series, so no Hollow Knight is not a Soulslike just because you explore an old forgotten place
@@Ravendawn-oi4yq i'm not saying it's a souls like i'm saying it's similar by theme compare the tow games and you will find that it's very thematically similar and the souls like genre is not exactly a theme as much as it is gameplay mechanics
A bit of a shame that this run was a little bit sullied in places by some bitter commentary. I understand that he's human, though, and I'm sure he was super fed up with not only being bugged about Hollow Knight, but having people rile him up about Bloodborne and its combat. Just isn't as nice to hear someone sounding so heated and fed up. I wish people in the comments would realize that he's a human being with emotions and opinions just like anyone else and stop ragging on him though. (Like, come on, you're telling me y'all never felt like Zeus before?)
@@joshwaterman5526 "just enjoy the run" lmao you realize that the commentary is part of the run, right? You can't just ignore what zeus says unless you mute the video. It's harder to enjoy something when there's a negative discussion going on. What you're doing is like telling a sad person, "just stop being sad". Yeah, great advice there.
@@elmo-mh8yw I HAVE done the same shit. I’ve done the entire game in 2 hours not even trying to speed run. I can’t do a world record speed run but I can still say it’s extremely expected for a speed runner to do something quickly. That’s the entire point
Gotta agree with Zeus on Hollow Knight. I think people get fooled by the high skill ceiling and Gothic, grey, feudal setting - but Castlevania has all these things and is a much more appropriate comparison.
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I feel like the comparison between Hollow Knight and Dark Souls is drawn from how both present their stories as well as their perceived difficulty (i.e. the death system). They are, however, very different games in terms of mechanics, completely different genres even. Salt and Sactuary is much more akin to a “2D Soulslike” than HK. That being said, Hollow Knight is a better game than SnS by a long shot, and I don’t even mean to take any merit away from the latter, Hollow Knight’s really just that good. Might not be for everyone, but its success speaks to how great and well made it is.
thank you 2 games can be different with style or looks but can share the same concept how story is presented and the damn souls or shade or blood echoes u have to pickup where u die . i never thought Zeus would be that stubborn and arrogant just refuses to admit that hes wrong on soo many levels
Even though I enjoyed the small amount of Hollow Knight I did play, I can say that it is nothing like Dark Souls or Bloodborne. The closest thing are the boss fights; but even then almost every video game has a boss fight.
I love HK but it is way more a metroidvania obviously. Only comparison for me is the chance to recover Geo/Souls upon death and that there are boss fights, which metroidvanias already had before Souls. I love Hollow Knight, but like Soulsborne the fan community can be relentless in trying to convince others it’s the best game ever.
I appreciate this man admitting Hollow knight was just not his preference. As someone who played both that, and dark souls, I fell in love with them both. But mechanically (button input) and visually they are certainly different
Can anyone tell me why the time ended up being 1:13:01 rather than 1:06:50 ? Is it that the split timer isn't accurate/doesn't always stop while not in-game? I would have thought we would see the proper in-game time at the end.
Hollowknight is similar in 3 aspects that's about it. 1. The world building/story telling both focus on forgotten kingdoms stuck in a cyclic conflict between the gods of the land fighting against the very nature of existence, with the story being told through cryptic lines of dialogue and item descriptions. 2.a combat system focused on learning an enemies move set and using evasive tactics to dodge any incoming attacks until the next attack opportunity occurs. 3.the death mechanics are fairly similar in which both you die and leave a stain upon the world which you later go back to and acquire you lost currency through a revitalized level. Also to note both series have vertically inclined world exploration opposed to horizontal, for hollowknight although this could be simply explained as it being a metroidvania. Personally I think hollowknight is in some aspects heavily souls inspired but in others it is no where near soulslike, although for me I started off with the souls series (bloodborne being my first and favorite by far) with little to no 2d experience let alone metroidvania experience yet I thoroughly enjoyed hollowknight and believe it to be one of the best games ever. This is a late comment, but I'm just a newcomer to your channel and just personally resonated with your rant.
1. The lore isn’t part of the gameplay, 2. you could say that about the majority of games, where you control a player from a third person perspective 3. that’s the only thing gameplay thing that is probably explicitly taken from, or that hollow knight was influenced by that was made popular by souls. Otherwise, yes, most people probably understand the vague, superficial elements that you’re referring to when you call it a souls like, but if you’re actually recommending someone a game because they like souls, then that’s not a good recommendation
So i just starting viewing your channel this being the first video i have watched. Mixed emotions for god of war obviously, i dont play souls like games because i dont have patients lmao. But i wanna start. My question is how do you feel about god of war, as a god of war game. Not from a souls like point of view
I've played a couple souls games through, and Hollow Knight about halfway through. My expectations were very much like yours. It turned out I was right.
Hey bro I hope you are doing well ☺️ I love watching your videos I also always was watching PVPSKILLZ channel he don't uploaded anything for so a long time does somebody know what happened to him?
Zeus, I don't know if you check youtube comments, but I couldn't breath I was laughing so hard at all the eye rolling at Hollow Knight and God of War talk.
It's a definite metroidvania, what exactly makes it souls like? It's only souls like in a senses of its themes and lore, gameplay wise its a complete metroidvania. Another similar game would be bloodstained ritual of the night, an igavania
@@justrcd The enemies drop currency that is used to upgrade and you drop it on death. It's fair to say it takes inspiration from Souls in it's themes and certain gimmicks of game play. I'd say Souls Lite is probably the perfect way to describe it.
It's really unbelievable how easy zues makes this look. I am about to finish my first run through, just have the last 3 bosses to do. Maria almost made me rage quit after 8 tries. But I am going to Duke it out.
I feel this dude. Bloodborne is a game I can’t stop playing. Take a break for a year or months yeah but I come back to it like a parasite lol it Invigorates my senses.
Man all that nonsense at the beginning saying a metroidvania style game is fundamentally the same as a souls game because you learn new abilities as you progress that are needed to unlock new things in places you've already been. Spyro the Dragon does that lol not a souls game. I'm not a souls snob by any means. I consider myself a casual soulsborne player but even with that it's obvious there's way more to soulsborne than just challenging gameplay with RPG elements.
Sadly it's just sheepish mentality, since souls became a synonimous of difficulty, that's all they need to go on. I love hk to death and ofc there are elements that end up being alike , but at this point of time, is there any game without influence or likeness to another game?
Even Zelda games have more in common with Bloodborne than Hollow Knight. The main similarity between Hollow Knight and Bloodborne is the manner of storytelling, nothing more nothing less. Difficulty \= genre.
I watched this video late, but you’re right on hollow knight Zeus. Don’t get the souls comparison at all. Sorry you get bombarded with requests or comments about the game, keep playing whatever you wanna play cause I’ll always come back to watch ya!
To me, I think a game can be a Souls-game when you can play any way you can think of, explore lore and land, kill boss by any strat, beat the game pure skill even with a naked lv1 character with a wooden club. A bit of roguelike, a bit of rpg, but only for more taste. Now that's a Souls-game.
Since it was a huge talking point. I think the reason Hollow Knight reads very Souls is due to the themes and tone. A heavily corrupted world with an enigmatic protagonist whom wakes up with vitually no knowledge or preamble is a very Souls thing to do. That and with the orange curse that posesses creatures I can see how people could say it is souls-like, but moreso in form and not at all in function.
I’m over here making food, put on a video for background noise/entertainment, look away for like 2 minutes, come back and he’s already in the forbidden woods-the bamboozlement I felt.
You legit have one of the best nicknames, although I am Russsian and didn’t get the Christos for the first time, which is a shame because our language interconnects with greek)
end thy existence nice, well I’ll call you out for doing exactly what Zeus mentions in the video, which is just saying “it’s a soulslike” and providing literally no evidence or argument whatsoever :)
@@petekrumb4936 Like yourself you mean? -Practically no introduction to the world -Unclear what or who the protagonist is of what his purpose is -Mysterious, foreign land explored on your own -environmental storytelling -No directions or tasks given by the NPC's -Lore is cryptic and mostly hidden -Level design is interconnected -Open world -literally leaving your currency on the spot you died -starting from the bonfire and going through a shortcut to the boss -giant, entire areas that are missable -focus on combat And so and so on. It's idiotic and superficial to characterize soulslike just in regards to the game mechanics. That is one element among many others that work together that define the soulsborne series.
@@basedneet_n3w0rd3r Currently playing Hollow Knight. I may not call it soulslike but definitely very much inspired by it. What I find hilarious is that the developers (I think?) said that they never played a souls game or weren't inspired by it when it shares so many worldbuilding and story aspects (as you have shown) that I find it very unlikely to be a coincidence.
You think it'd help if you had a pinned comment in TH-cam/Twitch showing all of the answered questions..maybe the most asked questions highlighted...lol.
Soulslike games generally have common elements like high difficulty, high-risk combat with hard-hitting enemies, sparse checkpoints, and enemies dropping souls (or some other resource used for upgrading stats and/or weapons that is lost upon death), but the player has one chance to regain the dropped souls if they can reach the place of their death without dying again. That's why Hollow Knight is listed as a "Souls-like" on Steam.
It’s fun and can be frustrating/tough to learn and navigate. However, it’s got very fleshed out rpg and more specifically Souls elements. I.E co-op or couch co op, tons of weapons, builds, tons of armor sets, npcs, secret areas, vague lore, boss fights. It can feel a little janky and some bosses have crazy hit boxes. But if you like metroidvanias/dark souls SandS is very fun. I personally like hollow knight and souls better, but salt and sanctuary is good.
@@TheInfamousIceman I enjoyed it and yes it has the same gothic setting, same nihilistic view of life, same interconnected level design, same idea that weapons scale with strength/dex etc, same variety of weapons and armour, same quest idea, same vague/opaque story, same fear of losing souls that you've acquired. Where it misses the mark for me is the bosses, they aren't good and arent as hard as metroidvania bosses that dont claim to be soulslike. There's maybe 2 with a mechanic other than 'equip relevant debuff and be ultra aggressive' . I'm not an amazing souls player but there were only 2 or three bosses that caused me to die more than twice. The second half devolves into bad platforming at times that just pissed me off as I don't play platformers. It felt like a 2D souls, in that it was scratching the same itch, and with few games that do that I would recommend it.
Hollow Knight has some souls-like aesthetics, and I think that makes a lot of people think it's a souls-like even though it's one of the best Metroidvanias around. If you don't like metroidvanias, you won't like it. I think the confusion is that the boss fights being hard and the normal enemies being hard is what people think it means to call something a "Soulslike", not the relatively free-roaming exploration, the lore being about 90% hidden, the lack of any pretext of you being the "good guy", or the way different weapon types can completely change how you play the game. Or that fashion is mandatory.
tbh i thing god of war's combat is better because it visually looks better. in bloodborne the combat does feel more efficient, risky and rewarding, but god of war makes you feel like a total badass
"Just because you aren't good at a game, it doesn't mean that it's souls-like" lmao
Wildly accurate. Cuphead isn't souls-like just because it isn't an easy game.
@@Dokka-Bae what? That makes zero sense.
Just because you've played it for 100000 hours and now it's simple, doesn't mean that it's isn't soul's-like
@@AcousticOlli I also haven't really seen anyone mention the death mechanics in Hollow Knight in the comments here. Anyone who has ever watched an LP of HK knows that the first thing people say when they die and figure that out is "oh it's like Dark Souls I have to go get my stuff where I died." It's reasonable for him to not be interested in playing the game since he's a speedrunner and the movement mechanics are quite different, and that would be pretty important to a speedrunner. But it seems like his annoyance at the people asking him means he now has to deny that it's similar in any respect, which was just annoying for me to listen to as someone who didn't know him before clicking this video.
@@AcousticOlli Everything about it is inspired by Metroid and Zelda II. There's very little direct inspiration from Souls; there are similarities but every similarity is much better explained by shared source material rather than one being part of the other's genre. If you flip it around and argue that DS1 is a Metroidvania that would actually be a much better argument than the one that puts "hard game with environmental storytelling" as the only criteria for a game being souls-like.
I hope this guy never stops playing bloodborne
I hope he does, but only when the next bloodborne content comes out, or elden ring. But we both know that games just a myth.
You say as if there’s a chance of him stopping lmao
Lol for all the idiots who think God of War is good
@@wabbit_szn9784 Why you think god of war is bad?
zeus dünyanın en gizli toksik insanı olabilir lol. i used to like his content, but back when ivhen had the WR with 1:06:49 IGT he blamed him for cheating where he got it on stream, lmao. he was jealous as fuck. thats where the majority of bloodborne’s “true” speedrunners started to dislike him.
To be fair, I bet it does get frustrating having to answer the same questions basically every day.
this is basically the life of every twitch/youtube streamer ever
Like Lethalfrag will say, if you don't like answering the same questions over and over you probably shouldn't do this job.
@@kodiak4777 I guess you never worked in customer support, amirite?
@@GtaRockt bruh I work on a helpdesk at an MSP.
@@kodiak4777 and I am Santa Claus
Literally any game: *is hard*
People: Ahh yes of course, a Dark Souls reference.
As if difficultly wasnt a thing long before a souls game
Babbys first difficult game.
Yeah, but lets be real, Hollow Knight does take clear influence to souls with its design and atmosphere. It's just a wildly different game, with the only real similarity being challenging bosses.
Zeus: Is quiet
Bloodborne: ... Oh no
Hollow knight is a metroidvania. Psychopaths gotta stop comparing everything to souls.
A metroidvania can still be soulslike
@@basedneet_n3w0rd3r they can’t on a fundamental level but Ok
@@owainglyndwrlastprinceofwa2486 course they can but that requires using a bit of a meta understanding on what soulslike is or means.
@@basedneet_n3w0rd3r the core gameplay is entirely different. You can only draw connections in the most basic ways such as “you explore areas, there are difficult bosses”
@@owainglyndwrlastprinceofwa2486 it's not basic in the way hollow knight is a soulslike. Soulslike isn't just defined by gameplay for me, or we would just call them action adventures and be done with it. How the lore is presented, the feel, atmosphere, how quests work, ect
You know, I think is FromSoft designed a boss after this guy, the beard should be a weapon, coated in blood as he eats a piece of toast in the cutscene before he inevitably destroys everyone
"People Have Different Opinions and Tastes: the run"
he's kinda of a hypocrite about it but it's right anyways
Timestamps for all the bosses
Shadows of Yharnam 7:54
Father Gascoigne 13:44
Rom, the Vacuous Spider 17:50
The One Reborn 21:47
Micolash, Host of the Nightmare 27:56
Mergo’s Wet Nurse 32:57
Amygdala 37:15
Darkbeast Paarl 39:32
Blood Starved Beast 40:48
Cleric Beast 43:16
Celestial Emissary 49:12
Ebrietas, Daughter of the Cosmos 50:14
Vicar Amelia 53:25
The Witches of Hemwick 56:40
Martyr Logarius 1:01:14
Ludwig the Holy Blade 1:06:56
Living Failures 1:10:32
Lady Maria of the Astral Clocktower 1:12:20
Orphan of Kos 1:15:15
Laurence the First Vicar 1:19:00
Gehrman the First Hunter 1:20:22
Moon Presence 1:21:11
God of War gameplay may not be a masterpiece but storytelling and lore wise it is a definite masterpiece.
The story was really good.
@@heyZeusHeresToast it has the best story out of all the previous GOW games in my opinion.
I like this dude but God of war combat is very good, I might even say on the same level as bloodborne. People give this game shit because it's mainstream I want to see you try the final Valkyrie on give me god of war ( coming from a person that actually did it) and then tell me the combat is shit :)) play it on higher difficulty and you'll see how essential the many combos variety really is
I might even say that final Valkyrie is almost as hard as orphan on give me god of war
@@iedutul1 I don't think the gameplay is shit. I think its actually really good, but it can be repetitive at times.
my dude killed paarl while I wasn’t looking
I've heard this HK discussion so many times now that I genuinely thought this was a reupload of some sorts xD Keep it up though, love your stuff Zeus
Great videos.. I still remember finding you through IGN showcasing your Bloodborne run. You are one talented dude!
4:30 "Just because you aren't good at a game doesn't mean its 'Souls-like'" Oh my granola, that is the best burn I've heard this year. Also, Hollow knight is not a Souls-like... its a Metroid-vania.
And Zeus explained that right after... watch the video before commenting...
Yeah its a fake souls game, a bad metroidvania, but a good action platformer.
@@dalgusmaximus4557 it’s action is shit though
@@zzodysseuszz
Boss fights were fun at least.
@@dalgusmaximus4557 no the bosses were why I said it’s combat was shit. The bosses are horrendously unbalanced.
Look at that one boss in the soul place with the dozens of armoured guys that roll across the floor. That was extremely unbalanced
@@zzodysseuszz
Yeah I guess they are unbalanced. But again, I do think they are fun at least.
Been watching him for a little while now. He seems a little more agitated then he used to be when he disagrees with people. Which is not a bad thing. Just hope he takes a little break when he feels like he needs to.
Same here, the whole hollowed knight thing is def pressing him. He’s answered the same question a million times and ppl are still asking and making comparisons.
He's acting like a bit of a dick with it all to be honest. I get you don't enjoy answering the same questions, but he's gone off on full tangents calling people fucking idiots and everything for asking a simple question. Not everyone on his streams is a regular, he can't expect a new person to come in and immediately know he's gonna blow a gasket if they ask about Hollow Knight. He needs to take a step back and chill the fuck out.
I’m 100% certain you’ve never worked in customer service... that’s basically what his job is, replying to repetitive questions, dealing with trolls and stressing for a PB because he’s a speed runner, that’s what he’s supposed to do, he’s not paid to be your buddy who has to be nice and sweet and he’s fully aware that if he alienates you he might lose you as a sub, he’s fine with that because he wants to be honest, but the veil wears pretty thing when people keep trying to convince him to play a game he has 0 interest in playing.. try and understand it from his point of view my man
@@x192743tf I mean, his mom was recently diagnosed with cancer. Among other unsavory things going on elsewhere, chill out and maybe understand where he's coming from. Answering the same questions constantly is annoying. He's not being paid to answer the same question every stream, every five minutes.
Breanna Freeman I didn’t know about his mother :/ damn
Gonna watch this later today! It will probably motivate me to go back to bloodborne after about a year of not playing. Love your AGDQ runs bro! Good luck out there.
Subbed. Really enjoy how you do your speedruns. The way you are, speak and just overall vibe is awesome man. :) Keep it up!
I’ve been getting into Bloodborne speedruning bc of you keep up the good work! S tier name by the by
It confused me for ages idk why
by the by
Wow, I haven't seen you in a while Zeus and that is a stunning improvement from the first time I say you and your glorious mane at AGDQ, congratulations on the progress!
I'm only eight minutes along but this Hollow Knight discussion is really getting to me 😂. I think HK SHARES notable qualities with soulsborne, but it's far from anything soulslike. The manner of storytelling, the difficulty and some of the atmosphere and some metroidvania elements are the biggest similarities. But ultimately, Soulsborne is a dungeon crawler type game with great character customisability where every enemy can pose a significant threat, and the combat is far more convoluted. That's not to mention things like art direction, level of humour and just graphic and disturbing shit.
HK and soulsborne share qualities, but they aren't alike.
Thank you for coming to my TEDtalk
Yeah, tbh, when you really get down to it most games will share qualities with other games, just because that's how video games work. I love HK and I love Soulsborne, but I don't love them because I think they're similar, I love them because they're all great games in their own right. HK doesn't have to be compared to a Soulsborne in order for it to be good lol.
It's a Metroidvania WAY before it's a Soulslike, and some people aren't into Metroidvanias, so why people keep insisting Zeus play it when he's repeatedly stated that it doesn't seem like his kind of thing, I don't know.
@@Twilightingale21 Hollow Knight on radiant is a challenge more difficult than some Souls games, but that doesn't make it a souls game. It's a very difficult metroid masterpiece, nothing more nothing less. If you don't like metroidvania games you will hate Hollow Knight. Nobody should waste their time on a genre they're just not into, as much as I love simping for the game.
@@crackededge9351 souls game doesn’t instantly equal super difficult, it just means unfair but not in a bullshit way
Hollow knight is thematically similar not mechanically.
Any game I slightly struggle on is now called a “souls like”
@@shaun7389 he's talking about the theme which i assume you haven't played the game to understand
@@Ghaiothy well I have, and that doesn't make sense, shadow of the colossus is about a guy going into a forbidden land and exploring it, and that came out before the souls series, so no Hollow Knight is not a Soulslike just because you explore an old forgotten place
@@Ravendawn-oi4yq i'm not saying it's a souls like
i'm saying it's similar by theme
compare the tow games and you will find that it's very thematically similar
and the souls like genre is not exactly a theme as much as it is gameplay mechanics
@@Ghaiothy yeah my bad, i miss interpreted your point sorry
A bit of a shame that this run was a little bit sullied in places by some bitter commentary. I understand that he's human, though, and I'm sure he was super fed up with not only being bugged about Hollow Knight, but having people rile him up about Bloodborne and its combat. Just isn't as nice to hear someone sounding so heated and fed up. I wish people in the comments would realize that he's a human being with emotions and opinions just like anyone else and stop ragging on him though. (Like, come on, you're telling me y'all never felt like Zeus before?)
Lol bugged about hollow knight, good one
Lol sullied? Just enjoy the run. He was awesome period.
@@joshwaterman5526 "just enjoy the run" lmao you realize that the commentary is part of the run, right? You can't just ignore what zeus says unless you mute the video. It's harder to enjoy something when there's a negative discussion going on. What you're doing is like telling a sad person, "just stop being sad". Yeah, great advice there.
@@joshwaterman5526 anyone who watches zeus knows he's salty af in the beginning of this stream, it's just that simple.
@@itsSmiv Exactly
Not only greek but also romanian, and the way you pronounce made me fall in love with your content even more, great diction 🥺
Keep up these consisent uploads Zeus! You are the best source of entertainment while I am in lockdown :)
why is no one talking about how he beat the whole dlc in like 10 mins
Cause that’s what speedrunners do? Cause there are glitches like that fall to reach Orphan that basically save a lot of time for free?
Because it's a speedrun and that's how it goes in speedruns lmao, it's not that special
@@itsSmiv you say that like you could do the same and no shit it's a speedrun did you just decide to wake up and be a snarky asswhole today
@@elmo-mh8yw I HAVE done the same shit. I’ve done the entire game in 2 hours not even trying to speed run. I can’t do a world record speed run but I can still say it’s extremely expected for a speed runner to do something quickly. That’s the entire point
Hes a god thats why.
I love the smell of Bloodborne runs in the morning!
Gotta agree with Zeus on Hollow Knight. I think people get fooled by the high skill ceiling and Gothic, grey, feudal setting - but Castlevania has all these things and is a much more appropriate comparison.
It's kinda ridiculous how you punk down lady Maria like that.
"Orphan is the toughest boss in he game" right after he handed it it's ass.
lmfao
a world where sub-1hr all bosses is a possibility... my god...
Me, a new player, seeing 0:51 : NANI?!
Five ad breaks within the first ten minutes. 🤣 TH-cam needs to chill!
Get a free trial of yt premium my guy, I'm loving it.
Just pay em man, give them their silver and be done with it
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the person that uploads the vid decides where ads go, normally most are at the start because most people don't watch 5+ hours so you'd lose a lot of ad revenue by spacing them out. if you're on PC get uBlock origin, it's a chrome extension that blocks ads and other pop ups etc (mine is currently blocking 345+ things on Yt alone) and you can turn it on/off if you wish to support certain content creators by watching ads
You could skip Orphans second phase?! That's insane! GG!
I feel like the comparison between Hollow Knight and Dark Souls is drawn from how both present their stories as well as their perceived difficulty (i.e. the death system). They are, however, very different games in terms of mechanics, completely different genres even. Salt and Sactuary is much more akin to a “2D Soulslike” than HK. That being said, Hollow Knight is a better game than SnS by a long shot, and I don’t even mean to take any merit away from the latter, Hollow Knight’s really just that good. Might not be for everyone, but its success speaks to how great and well made it is.
thank you 2 games can be different with style or looks but can share the same concept how story is presented and the damn souls or shade or blood echoes u have to pickup where u die .
i never thought Zeus would be that stubborn and arrogant just refuses to admit that hes wrong on soo many levels
@@Wickednessdude that shows inspired mechanics. It is nothing close to a souls game play-ability wise.
@@Wickednessdude So having a similar story and concept makes a game like another game? Just ignore mechanics, gameplay, controls, genre, etc...
I got to say this is the first stream I've watched that the commentary was entertaining.
Fun Run! Thanks for uploading :D
So close to that sub one hour run, holy crap! This amazing man
Even though I enjoyed the small amount of Hollow Knight I did play, I can say that it is nothing like Dark Souls or Bloodborne. The closest thing are the boss fights; but even then almost every video game has a boss fight.
Only uses souls elements; drop currency when you die and you spawn at a save place when you die.... So yeah I agree
Yup! And they’re two of my favorite games/series. Played those more than any other games.
Yo... GG on the Speedrun, Mr. Blood God. I've always been a huge fan of the saw spear in tranformed mode.
this guy is so awesome hes just happy to be here
im so confused why does the time in the title say 1:06:50 but the time in the video says 1:13:01
There’s somethings speed runners don’t count as part of there time
I love HK but it is way more a metroidvania obviously. Only comparison for me is the chance to recover Geo/Souls upon death and that there are boss fights, which metroidvanias already had before Souls. I love Hollow Knight, but like Soulsborne the fan community can be relentless in trying to convince others it’s the best game ever.
Enjoyed watching this Speedrun 😎😎😎
I appreciate this man admitting Hollow knight was just not his preference. As someone who played both that, and dark souls, I fell in love with them both. But mechanically (button input) and visually they are certainly different
I miss playing bloodborne, but some MF stole my controller while i was moving. So pissed.
buy a new one
You must live in Detroit
You are an awsome runner zeus
wish my support could've been way more than just a like and a comment
Wish you the Best!
Can anyone tell me why the time ended up being 1:13:01 rather than 1:06:50 ?
Is it that the split timer isn't accurate/doesn't always stop while not in-game?
I would have thought we would see the proper in-game time at the end.
The run is measured in 'In Game Time.' It's shown at the end of the video.
Hollowknight is similar in 3 aspects that's about it. 1. The world building/story telling both focus on forgotten kingdoms stuck in a cyclic conflict between the gods of the land fighting against the very nature of existence, with the story being told through cryptic lines of dialogue and item descriptions. 2.a combat system focused on learning an enemies move set and using evasive tactics to dodge any incoming attacks until the next attack opportunity occurs. 3.the death mechanics are fairly similar in which both you die and leave a stain upon the world which you later go back to and acquire you lost currency through a revitalized level. Also to note both series have vertically inclined world exploration opposed to horizontal, for hollowknight although this could be simply explained as it being a metroidvania. Personally I think hollowknight is in some aspects heavily souls inspired but in others it is no where near soulslike, although for me I started off with the souls series (bloodborne being my first and favorite by far) with little to no 2d experience let alone metroidvania experience yet I thoroughly enjoyed hollowknight and believe it to be one of the best games ever. This is a late comment, but I'm just a newcomer to your channel and just personally resonated with your rant.
To be fair for number 2, in most games you need to learn a bosses attack pattern.
1. The lore isn’t part of the gameplay, 2. you could say that about the majority of games, where you control a player from a third person perspective 3. that’s the only thing gameplay thing that is probably explicitly taken from, or that hollow knight was influenced by that was made popular by souls.
Otherwise, yes, most people probably understand the vague, superficial elements that you’re referring to when you call it a souls like, but if you’re actually recommending someone a game because they like souls, then that’s not a good recommendation
Zeus, for the love of thunder, you need to start speedmemeruns, then we can all be happy at the same time
Woah that first shortcut, what happens if you go into the clinic before iosefka is an imposter?
I have struggled on Ebrietas for three days and he drops her in ten seconds.
So i just starting viewing your channel this being the first video i have watched. Mixed emotions for god of war obviously, i dont play souls like games because i dont have patients lmao. But i wanna start. My question is how do you feel about god of war, as a god of war game. Not from a souls like point of view
So to get two starting weapons you just interact very quickly as it first appears and then a second time as they come back down right?
In this run from a year ago what gems are you using in the sawcleaver?
I've played a couple souls games through, and Hollow Knight about halfway through. My expectations were very much like yours. It turned out I was right.
Hey bro I hope you are doing well ☺️ I love watching your videos I also always was watching PVPSKILLZ channel he don't uploaded anything for so a long time does somebody know what happened to him?
I could've sworn i heard children crying at the beginning of this video
I’m wondering, why are beast blood pellets used before Paarl and BSB? Does it make a difference of a hit?
Its double damage I believe
Zeus, I don't know if you check youtube comments, but I couldn't breath I was laughing so hard at all the eye rolling at Hollow Knight and God of War talk.
43:00 I feel validated that "A pun on Jesus Christos" was the first thing I thought when I read his alias :D
a lot of people seem to think that because a game has a timing dodge mechanic that's hard to master, its a souls game
What makes the saw cleaver do the most DPS in the game?
It just does. Consumes very little stamina and hits quickly.
In reference to hollow knight I feel like it can be argued as a souls lite not souls like. Sorta the way people talk about rouge likes/lites
It's a definite metroidvania, what exactly makes it souls like? It's only souls like in a senses of its themes and lore, gameplay wise its a complete metroidvania. Another similar game would be bloodstained ritual of the night, an igavania
@@justrcd The enemies drop currency that is used to upgrade and you drop it on death.
It's fair to say it takes inspiration from Souls in it's themes and certain gimmicks of game play.
I'd say Souls Lite is probably the perfect way to describe it.
Dude. How did you kill Amy so quick? Wtf! New to speed runnin obviously. Awesome shit bro
It's really unbelievable how easy zues makes this look. I am about to finish my first run through, just have the last 3 bosses to do. Maria almost made me rage quit after 8 tries. But I am going to Duke it out.
Maria is my favourite boss in all of SoulsBorne
just dodge left and hit her twice rinse and repeat be patient
@@ninjq3547 I liked her attack animations, the way she used blood and fire, and when she stabbed herself with her weapon were great.
The technique and fluency.. Well done man
Bloodtinge was my first play through, arcane was my second and skill was my third. Lmao.
I feel this dude. Bloodborne is a game I can’t stop playing. Take a break for a year or months yeah but I come back to it like a parasite lol it Invigorates my senses.
Man all that nonsense at the beginning saying a metroidvania style game is fundamentally the same as a souls game because you learn new abilities as you progress that are needed to unlock new things in places you've already been. Spyro the Dragon does that lol not a souls game.
I'm not a souls snob by any means. I consider myself a casual soulsborne player but even with that it's obvious there's way more to soulsborne than just challenging gameplay with RPG elements.
Seems as though chat was being dicks
Sadly it's just sheepish mentality, since souls became a synonimous of difficulty, that's all they need to go on.
I love hk to death and ofc there are elements that end up being alike , but at this point of time, is there any game without influence or likeness to another game?
Even Zelda games have more in common with Bloodborne than Hollow Knight. The main similarity between Hollow Knight and Bloodborne is the manner of storytelling, nothing more nothing less. Difficulty \= genre.
never wondered about zeus's nickname... but now I gotta say, it's pretty smart
Your underrated my guy you need more subs!keep up the content tho I love all the souls and souls like games out there
@@jennifermunoz582 who asked?
18:12 what is that on his hunter’s neck? I have never seen that before
Love your videos Zeus
How did you open the gate in the beginning. I was confused. You got straight to the forbidden woods and I didn’t see how
When the werewolf grabs you it pushes you in the gate
That First skip to open up Losefka clinic, dude i own you for saving 20 hours of my life on NG+
why, after exploiting a glitch such as the beast pushing you through the gate or jumping down into the SoY fight, does he exit the game?
lets go im already hyped
Omg that first glitch with the wolf holy crap dude
the main FromSoftware game I did not care for was Ninja Blade, I was not about a 3 stag qte to flip a switch
I watched this video late, but you’re right on hollow knight Zeus. Don’t get the souls comparison at all. Sorry you get bombarded with requests or comments about the game, keep playing whatever you wanna play cause I’ll always come back to watch ya!
To me, I think a game can be a Souls-game when you can play any way you can think of, explore lore and land, kill boss by any strat, beat the game pure skill even with a naked lv1 character with a wooden club. A bit of roguelike, a bit of rpg, but only for more taste. Now that's a Souls-game.
Since it was a huge talking point. I think the reason Hollow Knight reads very Souls is due to the themes and tone. A heavily corrupted world with an enigmatic protagonist whom wakes up with vitually no knowledge or preamble is a very Souls thing to do. That and with the orange curse that posesses creatures I can see how people could say it is souls-like, but moreso in form and not at all in function.
Hollowknight has currency dropped by enemies, this currency is dropped on death and is used for upgrades. Other than that there is no other crossover.
I’m over here making food, put on a video for background noise/entertainment, look away for like 2 minutes, come back and he’s already in the forbidden woods-the bamboozlement I felt.
You legit have one of the best nicknames, although I am Russsian and didn’t get the Christos for the first time, which is a shame because our language interconnects with greek)
Which game is the Nexus hub from?
How was that gate open off of spawn? The one leading to the forbidden woods?
He clipped through it with the help of the beast, don’t know how but it somehow made him end up on the other side
When you kill dudes in hollow knight you obtain Soul which is probs 80% of the reason people compare them
Lol nope
It's clearly a soulslike in many ways
No, i just enjoy calling out people on their bullshit :)
end thy existence nice, well I’ll call you out for doing exactly what Zeus mentions in the video, which is just saying “it’s a soulslike” and providing literally no evidence or argument whatsoever :)
@@petekrumb4936
Like yourself you mean?
-Practically no introduction to the world
-Unclear what or who the protagonist is of what his purpose is
-Mysterious, foreign land explored on your own
-environmental storytelling
-No directions or tasks given by the NPC's
-Lore is cryptic and mostly hidden
-Level design is interconnected
-Open world
-literally leaving your currency on the spot you died
-starting from the bonfire and going through a shortcut to the boss
-giant, entire areas that are missable
-focus on combat
And so and so on.
It's idiotic and superficial to characterize soulslike just in regards to the game mechanics. That is one element among many others that work together that define the soulsborne series.
@@basedneet_n3w0rd3r Currently playing Hollow Knight. I may not call it soulslike but definitely very much inspired by it. What I find hilarious is that the developers (I think?) said that they never played a souls game or weren't inspired by it when it shares so many worldbuilding and story aspects (as you have shown) that I find it very unlikely to be a coincidence.
he said a 2D can never be a soulslike... he needs to play Salt and Sanctuary.
You think it'd help if you had a pinned comment in TH-cam/Twitch showing all of the answered questions..maybe the most asked questions highlighted...lol.
Soulslike games generally have common elements like high difficulty, high-risk combat with hard-hitting enemies, sparse checkpoints, and enemies dropping souls (or some other resource used for upgrading stats and/or weapons that is lost upon death), but the player has one chance to regain the dropped souls if they can reach the place of their death without dying again. That's why Hollow Knight is listed as a "Souls-like" on Steam.
Does saw cleaver have best dps in the game?
Why isnt this in Speedrun.com ladder yet?
I rly liked the combat in both games. They were fun to me
im not actually the biggest celestial body 47:46 but he does have a celestial beard! they were on to something.
Susie Skinflaps??? I just subscribed 🤣🤣🤣
Honestly Salt and Sanctuary was a pretty decent soulslike, closer imo than Lords of the Fallen.
Virgin Lords of the Fallen
Chad Salt and Sanctuary
Is it good honestly?
It’s fun and can be frustrating/tough to learn and navigate. However, it’s got very fleshed out rpg and more specifically Souls elements. I.E co-op or couch co op, tons of weapons, builds, tons of armor sets, npcs, secret areas, vague lore, boss fights. It can feel a little janky and some bosses have crazy hit boxes. But if you like metroidvanias/dark souls SandS is very fun. I personally like hollow knight and souls better, but salt and sanctuary is good.
@@TheInfamousIceman I enjoyed it and yes it has the same gothic setting, same nihilistic view of life, same interconnected level design, same idea that weapons scale with strength/dex etc, same variety of weapons and armour, same quest idea, same vague/opaque story, same fear of losing souls that you've acquired.
Where it misses the mark for me is the bosses, they aren't good and arent as hard as metroidvania bosses that dont claim to be soulslike. There's maybe 2 with a mechanic other than 'equip relevant debuff and be ultra aggressive' . I'm not an amazing souls player but there were only 2 or three bosses that caused me to die more than twice.
The second half devolves into bad platforming at times that just pissed me off as I don't play platformers.
It felt like a 2D souls, in that it was scratching the same itch, and with few games that do that I would recommend it.
salt was amazing but so was lords of the fallen: from a big soulsborne fan.
This man says he wouldn’t like hollow knight but is playing bloodborne every single day
Hollow Knight has some souls-like aesthetics, and I think that makes a lot of people think it's a souls-like even though it's one of the best Metroidvanias around. If you don't like metroidvanias, you won't like it.
I think the confusion is that the boss fights being hard and the normal enemies being hard is what people think it means to call something a "Soulslike", not the relatively free-roaming exploration, the lore being about 90% hidden, the lack of any pretext of you being the "good guy", or the way different weapon types can completely change how you play the game. Or that fashion is mandatory.
tbh i thing god of war's combat is better because it visually looks better.
in bloodborne the combat does feel more efficient, risky and rewarding, but god of war makes you feel like a total badass