team crossbow BROKEN AS HELL and OhDough said it is broken and he just puts it in low tier cuz he doesnt want it to be nerfed 10000% APROVED BY SUPER EARTH
Dude I shot it and I don’t know if there’s crits but it one tapped the ass of a charger and I shit my pants. The only thing that beats it in damage is the eruptor only cause of its AOE.
@@argentumoculisgrimm9619 aruptor have worse AOE dmg and range of its AOE making crossbow better version of eruptor and its not SLOW like trash everyone hates guns that reload hours and that is why i hate eruptor you basicly get twice as much reloading every single fk bullet
@@InnerFire6213 a lot of my friends love it, I think I read somewhere he only plays solo so his opinion will vary greatly from people that play the game with a squad
true, I prefer Med pen weapons for all rounders and rock the shotgun pistol if anything gets in my face that needs to back the fuck up and with the buff to thermite nades I have the freedom to rock nade launcher to add clear and plug bug holes unless I got crossbow, then instead of nade launcher I go anything for heavy armor and swap my nades
"bad at killing alpha commanders" proceeds to put the incendiary breaker and torcher in S and A respectively, weapons that are fucking awful at killing alpha commanders lol
OhDough has extreme fire dot bias, and *especially* an incen breaker bias. He doesn't use the other guns enough to even comment on their ability without running a quick 5 minute test. He needs to straight up start using a loadout randomizer to broaden his view, because he's stuck in a very narrow incen breaker + medic armor crutch build that's got him with blinders on.
@@OhDough Breaker Incen doesn't stop / stagger Alpha charges. So you get run down by Alphas on fire. I'm not saying it's bad against Alphas, but it certainly isn't good. Being good against Alphas is nice to have, but it's not the be all and end all. I don't count not being the best anti-Alpha option against the Cookout or Breaker Incen, and I won't count it against the Tenderizer for the same reason. All three are incredible against the small enemies, and mid-ish against Alphas.
@OhDough I feel like testing them on their own and mocking the "it's a combo weapon" mentality is disingenuous. 99% of people aren't dropping in without a support weapon or backpack that either plays into the same strengths as or covers the weaknesses of their primaries. I don't fully disagree with this list. And in the past I've agreed alot more with you but lately it just feels like you're just looking for shit to complain about.
@@Beowulf0510 Yeah, that's pretty much my takeaway from this as well. Love most of his videos, but damn, this tier list sucks. If this game ONLY had primary weapons, it'd be a different situation, but you know he didn't put Incendiary Breaker in S tier without thinking about the Backpack stratagem slot, so why do all the other guns not get the same logic when they get tiered? Makes no sense to me. Incen Breaker on level 10 without backpack is not a good idea at all. So if he's gonna rank that weapon with a stratagem addition in mind, he should do the same for every other weapon.
Let's see a check kills you close range check clips random objects check low ammo check takes a lot of non headshots check good against bug squishy parts that is it
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Blitzer not S or even A tier because of targeting is wild. It's the only gun in the game with stagger that can kill anything except for heavies with unlimited ammo...No other gun can do that for now...
Ehh, unlimited ammo only matters if you have no other option for chaf clear and don't want to swallow more than one resupply. The incen breaker blows it out of the park in terms of clear and can even make do with world spawns for ammo on diff 10. At best an A but probably a B for utility.
it struggles a lot against hive guards and alpha commanders even when the targeting works right (which is almost never), you can even see dough killing a hive guard in a whopping 5 shots. and unlimited ammo almost never matters if you loot your pois and don't waste resupply timers blitzer is the most inconsistent gun in the game by far and consistency is very important, even when it is 100% working right it still gets mogged for chaff clear and medium units by other primaries. and the amount of times your blitz arcs will kill a teammate... yikes
Unlimited ammo really doesn't mean that much unless you are shitting the bed that mission and ignoring ammo pickups everywhere. At that point it's simply a player skill issue.
It's A-tier untill they rush you and the bodies start stacking up and suddenly it starts grounding out on bodies and it's F-tier. I use it a lot but you gotta be suuuper mobile all the time.
Eruptor is back to being more or less its launch strength minus some random super high damage shrapnel hits. Mostly oneshots stalkers and spewers again, which is what I want it doing. It's certainly a little awkward sometimes so I wouldn't call it S tier or anything, but it's fun again.
The eruptor now kill you much more than before they remove the sharpnel, like getting hit 20 time more than the old, and the old is much more stronger, but still have sharpnel is better than not
Pair it with the new thermite grenade and the small machine gun stratagem for swarm and switch to the eruptor to clean any medium enemies, thermite for chargers and titans
Im miss the old eruptor. Meta combo eruptor rover quasar 800-1000 kill everymatch, 1 shot to the bug breach and 10-20 kill easily, 1 shot everything, best primary ever have in this game
Ohdough judge criteria for: Can kill alpha commander = good 🥴 Can't kill alpha commander = bad 🤮 I'm half joking but this list is pretty bad ma boi 😂 EDIT: update, your bot list made me want to off myself 🤣, with peace and love of course
@@Boamere You do know we have 4 stratagems as well? Maybe guns should be ranked on their intended purpose, not their ability to kill 1 mob. This tier list is stupid because it's apparently based on running solo on tier 10, supposedly. And it puts Incen Breaker at S tier when it sucks against alpha commanders compared to some of those in C, F and even the Viable tier. But muh fire dot. There's no consistency in how these guns are ranked. Some of them are ranked off of 1 mob, others aren't. Some guns are ranked against eachother while others aren't. Make it consistent or don't make a tier list.
You only "tested" some of these weapons for a couple of minutes before deciding they were no good, and you did it all live on stream. There were a lot you didn't bother to test at all. You don't even know how to use the crossbow properly. You were aiming for the weak points. This was so lazy and disingenuous. I honestly don't know if I'm ever going to be able to take your opinions seriously again.
Yeah I saw that he was ADS the counter sniper up close and said this won’t do it doesn’t kill as fast as the breaker incendiary lol that’s the bar he sets everything is compared to fire ttk on bugs. And he only does it in solo scenarios on diff 10 😆 the game isn’t balance for that level. Most guns will be crap when you’re surrounded by 50 enemies you shouldn’t be using a primary unless you use a broken one like cookout which isn’t that op tbh. Idk what he’s smoking on this he’s being a bit harsh on scaling what should be the meta and literally wants everything to be a one shot death machine otherwise it’s useless and why even take it. That’s his mentality.
Blitzer is S tier too, it can deal with Spewers and Hunters with infinte ammo, not to mention stagger. bugs eats ammo fast thats why he runs a supply packback 24/7
He didn't test most of the weapons at all, he got salty because he kept trying to force incen breaker and had a meltdown when it wasn't bailing him out. Then he sat and looked at spreadsheets and proclaimed weapons bad without playing them lol
@@asdf_asdf948 a weapon is good now if it can kill a bile titan and even then its b tier lol, talking about crossbow, like its not only 1 handed and good at killing pretty much everything it can close bug holes fabs better than the grenade pistol
@@OhDough You can talk about reading patch notes and benign buffs all you want, but fact of the matter is that you won't know for sure until it's tested in actual gameplay. It's equivalent to a scientist coming up with an invention that works in theory, then not testing it and being like "trust me bro it works".
For those who don't know, aiming the blitzer changes its spread by focusing it into a smaller central cone. Also, you should aim slightly above what you want to hit.
@@Kywu It has lot of purposes one of which is taking gunships, and its not a bad weapon at dealing with enemies just not as fast as how OhDough likes it to be (1 shots everything)
@@OhDough - certain things are trickier to gauge from the notes alone. For instance, bots are *WAY* deadlier than they were pre-patch. It is more important than ever to stagger groups of Devs every time you shoot them. Hence, Eruptor / Crossbow / Plas Punisher / Dominator stocks are way up on bots. For the same reason (getting blasted on in 2 seconds) even small bots are threats now. So options that evaporate them super fast are desirable (mostly a Plas Punisher shadow buff. It's the only one of the four above that quickly kills groups of commons.)
@@Larknok1 Imo the only enemy on bots that matters is the rocket strider. Deviators can be killed in one hit by a million different primaries and staggered by others, which is definitely important because the only really job the primary has is killing those and small guys from my perspective. Killing is just going to be better than staggering 90% of the time if you're utilizing cover well imo. You're right that he doesn't test things out that much but honestly it doesn't really matter as these tier lists are all hyper subjective anyway. Me personally I think there's barely any difference between most of these weapons so I'd separate them for bots into a "bad at killing deviators or has no range," "kills deviators slowish but deals with them," and "kills deviators in one shot or deals with multiples of them while still killing fast." I just don't think bots is a good place to have so many teirs since I really only use my primary for one thing so it only needs to fulfill that one job.
Seems to be the case. He read a spreadsheet and tested some weapons for 5 seconds and when they couldn’t 2-shot an Alpha Commander and had to reload one time during a bug breach he called it ass and put it in a low tier
Yeah he only plays solo on difficulty 10 so consequently only a select few handful of options will be useful in mowing down chaff and armored enemies. He said anything light armor pen is worthless and shouldn’t exist. So his view on it is that it has to be strong enough to kill mostly everything quickly without the need of any other tools at your disposal.
@@Yellowshirtmann Yeah I'm not a big fan of solo diving, only do it for challenge, I prefer to just play with a squad so the list would be very different for me. But as we see, it's his play style
@@MisterZimbabwe I mean there are some weapons that I agree being "almost garbage", but there are plenty of them that just doesn't make sense for me like the blitzer or the crossbow, they're like hella good, and I say that as someone with 270+ hours in game
@@Yellowshirtmann This exactly. He put fire weapons all up in S tier because their drawback is deadly friendly fire. If you only want a gun to do one or two things well, lots of guns are in a decent spot now. I'm big on machine gun/supply backpack so the new liberators both feel great imo. liberator kills hunters, penetrator kills hive guards.
I think they accidentally made the enemies far more deadly by damaging limbs every hit. They didn't really factor in that the bugs do like triple hits, so you still instantly die. Which throws off the balance for all the guns. You need chaff clearing, but also they added more medium stuff, so you need chaff clearing and high damage. I tried the countersniper and it honestly felt pretty good damage wise, but then it can't clear the little guys without running out of ammo quickly.
If you bring a h8gh damage low ammo gun such as Eruptor, or Crossbow, you compensate bringing Stalwart or MG (or flamethrower), or you bring cluster strat or something similar.
scorcher in F, you are actually smoked. shits on bile and nursing spewers , does extra damage to squishy parts of enemies bile titan sack and charger ass, if im not mistaken takes 1/3 of a mag for an alpha commander and can multi kills to chaff when close together thanks to small aoe.
>avoids bug missions where your preferred load out sucks >Still pretends it's s-tier even though incen breaker is garbo vs those enemies >Penalizes other guns for not being able to handle everything C'mon man
Keep in mind the number of people that never play difficulty 9 and 10, then the number who play them but not solo. Many of these weapons do just fine in lower difficulty, and they have to, because you unlock many of them in order.
Many of these weapons do well if you actually adapt to their strengths and don’t use them like a brainlet. There’s still a lot of trash weapons but this list sucks.
A lot of these weapons do just fine in difficulty 10, as per my own testing. This list is bullshit xD There are a lot of weapons that would be fitting for A or S tier. Incen Breaker's alright for chaff clear, but sucks against Alpha Commanders, which he kept throwing other guns in the trash for sucking at too.
Yo no way the sickle is in "Viable" that thing is a BEAST, it's carried me diff 9 cause of the pure hate you can put down range constantly. It kills lil Timmy raiders like nobodies business and the lack of ammo economy means you dont feel bad spamming.
Don't take any "tier list" seriously, form your own. Everyone has their playstyle and blindly follow someone's tier list will just be miserable. IMO Sickle is a beast as long as you stay away from the bigger units like Hive Guards, both Commander variants, and Spewers. It performs better on bots since its easy to headshot most bots.
@@Misfiring89 He should probably not name the tier list video what he did. He's making a very bold claim with such a title, and people will criticize him accordingly, as they should. I love OhDough's Helldivers videos, but his tier lists SUCK xD
Sickle is at least A tier against bots, yes it has a certain accuracy spray, but it's not bloom and the recoil is very easy. Shots will always come out very slightly left or right of the crosshair, but it's still easy to headshot kill devastators at very close and very far range.
just need to kill medium pen enemies more easily and clean chaffs without soo trouble with ammo, wich is pretty fine; Doing that make our support weapons exclusively for the heavy enemies, wich makes a balance about using sup weapons and primary ones, and if the things goes bad, stratagems
Unless it's the Incen Breaker, which gets a free pass on everything and straight to S-tier when it don't even 1 shot warriors. Even with the fire DoT, they sometimes survive unless you shoot them twice. The list makes no sense.
I think a doomer writeup on what sucks about each weapon (i.e. fire breaker is ammo gathering simulator) would be an entertaining video. Because while they don't feel *awful* anymore, they sure as heck don't feel good. I stopped playing after Slugger nerf until this week, the Exploding Crossbow is roughly a bit weaker (due to lower chaff clear-ability) than pre-nerf Slugger. Feel like people are delusional about how "good"/"powerful" things are rn because they played through the doldrum basement-level of weapon power.
crossbow can deal with med enemies and heavies, and bug holes bot fabs, so your secondry is free to go, use that to clear annoying chaff, use your crossbow for everything else
But can the slugger decimate an entire patrol with just a few shots? I've done it many times with the current Crossbow, but I'm sure you can't kill 15 enemies with about 3 shots using the pre-nerf Slugger. The Crossbow is essentially on par with the Grenade Launcher support weapon.
Most youtubers would put everything in S tier now, glad you are more critical. To me the recent buffs to primaries were not enough, support weapons are in a pretty good spot for the most part but primaries are in desperate need for more ammo and/or damage.
@@mcdull68yeah not at all. try out the counter sniper or the cross bow for the bots. although I agree with the assault rifles being bad still, just dont see how they can ever make them good
@@imsweetthanks7677 give them drum mags would help. And the flinching when hit get reduced. Its just the lots of reloading breaks between the action. You can still be good with assault rifles in my opinion after the buffs. But focus on the target after getting hit and the ammo economy makes the assault rifles just a reaso to struggle.
As a flame breaker enjoyer I got tired of playing with it for so long, so last few days i was trying different loadouts and I can definitely say that flame breaker without supply backpack is pretty damn bad, not enough ammo to use 100% of anti-infantry capability. Standart breaker is a solid choice, can deal with a lot of stuff realy quick. Gotta be at least A-tier. Crossbow is realy shines if you`ll pick something like stalwart in 3-rd slot. Easily S-tier. (Anti-inf + anti-bughole, not to mention spewers) Blitzer became my favourite, use it with gas and any guard dog and it`s gonna be insane costant stan+damage. Another new S-tier. Also you can run the whole game without resupply. This is the first tier-list of yours that I highly disagree with. P.S Sorry for shitty english
I also really don't like the breaker incendiary since the ammo nerf, it just doesn't feel good, but imo if the Blitzer in its current state is S tier than there's something drastically wrong, that gun is so wildly inconsistent it's crazy. The inconsistency alone keeps it down for me but my biggest issue is the existence of shriekers. It's not completely impotent against them but if it had just the tiniest bit more range it could handle them without needing them to swoop at you first. The crossbow is great but you do kind of need other weapons to make up for its downsides so I wouldn't put it in S either. When I bring it I don't use it enough for it to be like an important part of my build, I could bring the errupter or even the scorcher and get similar results just not quite as good and I think those two weapons are miserable to bring. I'm not sure I'd put any primary weapons in S tier personally, though I haven't tried the fire warbond. I've pretty much just been bringing the liberator because it's my favorite weapon, can kill shriekers, and everything feels so meh to me right now.
@@xyriliawhitestrake7263Can never get the blitzer to work. See so many say it’s good. But every time I use it it just can’t seem to hit anything. At point blank it just fires over, and any longer range it doesn’t reach. So I can only use it at a very specific range where the bugs are one lunge away from eating my face. Any further or closer and the gun just stops working.
@@sunnychiu3872 Some guns are good/bad depending on who's using them. I for one suck at using the Dominator, but I know it's a good gun against bots and I got someone in my squad who usually does very well with it. I'm just not a fan of it myself. Some guns are better in other people's hands.
The fact that the slugger cannot reliably one shot hunters and takes the same amount of shots for brood commander heads as the normal punisher is absolutely bonkers. Why am I even bringing a medium pen shotgun that provides no advantage to me while being harder to use and does less damage.
It has a specific purpose, and it certainly ain't for killing hunters. If you bring a "Heavy Hitter" primary, you should be bringing chaff clear stratagems. That's how this game works. Ever heard of the Stalwart?
As a content creator you are viable. As a skilled player, you are F tier. And in my list F tier is below viable. Anyone who still puts the IB as S tier after the 17th patch has and always will be a bad player. Guns are meant to be paired. I've been playing on 9's all night with the Scythe and Railgun and had no issues with Bots.
Rose tinted glasses takes 😆 unique perspective for sure. Guess you’ll just bring the dominator every time and forget the rest. Bcus it’s about what makes missions easier not what is fun 👍
@@OhDoughthat’s why most people play this for the fun of it and if the guns feels good to use. You’re making this out to be a pro league e sport at this point. Taking it too seriously like every gun has to be a walking nuke. It’s all subjective too, but seems like you’ll never be satisfied. Looking forward to the video after this highlighting comments about how your opinions were rushed and you’re being a doom diver and we are all glizzy gladiators.
It's objectively a great gun on the bot front, but not all of us like to use it. I don't like using it, but that don't make it a bad gun. I prefer running the Scorcher.
It boils my blood seing the Eruptor that down, I've been running Eruptor with Dagger and thermites and is a beatiful combo. OhDough just wants to kill every one of thr 100 enemies after failing to stop a bug breach, you are supposed to stop them before calling reinforcements!
Yeah this tier list is based off of some whacky logic I can't wrap my head around. Basically every gun in the game is good at killing the literal 'chaff', but he considers Alpha Commanders chaff for some reason. .. And somehow the incendiary breaker is S tier when it sucks against said Alpha Commanders. Oh, also never fights spewers, so makes the whole bug list irrelevant.
The weird thing is that every youtuber has a different tier list. Its just one man opinion. If you like blitzer just use the blitzer. The game is more balanced and its more fun now for me.
The devs want us using stratagems for bulk trash and primaries to mop up any remaining. Most primaries work fine if you nail your stratagems. Yes I play 9s alot.
The problem with all the assault rifle weapon is that they don't feel good to use because of the ammo restriction. It's like you want you to single shot fire due to how fast you run out of ammo, and it just feels like shit using them so I don't.
Try Tenderizer on semi. 1 shots the flying rats. 2 shots the hunters. 2 shots shriekers. 2 shots hunters. New 35 rounds = ~20 kills per mag. Bretty good if you can aim.
But you're absolutely screwed if it's a bile spewer planet. Sucks for alpha commanders too. For a light armor penetrating AR, I'll take the Sickle over it every time
@@thelegendaryklobb2879 Alpha Commanders it's the only gun in the game that can rapidly go for a mobility kill (2+ legs blown out). Tendy 2 or 3 shots legs, so you can completely shut down their charges. Not having the very best match-up against Alphas doesn't mean garbage. Just look at the Cookout and Incen Breaker.
@@Duran762 Huh? I play a PVE shooter to aim and kill things fast. Tendy is basically a pre-buff diligence with 35 rounds instead of 15. Is veeery good.
Puts crossbow in B tier for bots due to killing a tank, puts Scorcher in F which could've killed that tank in half the time. I like your videos, but your opinion on weapons is mostly just viable. :)
crossbow TTK vs devs was 2 shots and has big blast radius while. scorcher takes ~5-6for devs and ~5-6 for berzerkers with no blast radius. scorcher reload is slow and so is crossbow. xbow can also close bot fabs/nests. my opinions are rooted in more fact than people want to believe, some weapons I'm wrong on but scorcher is bad atm.
@@OhDough Sorry, but your opinions are rooted in your playstyle and nothing else. Scorcher isn't the best against devs, I give you that. So what? That's not the purpose of the weapon. It absolutely excels in killing anything that has weak spots / fleshy parts. It's currently not A or S, but definitly B or C depending on your skill with it.
A clear shotgun-range bias vs bugs and "sniper" (semi-auto med-pen) solidarity for bots. The AR aren't as bad as Dough's making out as most of them can drill a single spot reasonably reliable at most ranges but i will agree that if it's only light-pen it's just "viable" in higher difficulties due to the prevalence of med-armour taking up half or more of each spawn-wave, not event he most generaous support weapon can't deal with that kind of usage requirement every 60-90 seconds. TTk of many AR's are not that different to the other weapons (unless it's a 1-shot) but yeah the damage per total-ammo capacity in the case of most ARs is far from flattering. given the shotguns get a similar shell count per-mag while having 4-8 times the applied-damage
@@OhDough All but the Tenderizer and Carbine against bugs. You have good enough aim, try the Tendy on semi. Then try Carbine with Supply Pack. Tendy has crazy good break points, and the 35 mag is really good. Carbine is the closest to Stalwart as a primary in the game. Its 900+ dps puts the other liberators to extreme shame.
@@Larknok1 A weapon should be good without help from other items. The carbine sucks, its terrible; relying on a supply pack to make it usable is just trying to cover up its sad state. The closest we have to a stalwart as a primary is the Sickle, it does a bit less damage but you get the firing time/ammo and enough damage to make it feel as close as we can get to a primary LMG. A weapon should always be good standalone before you start talking about combos. Using combos to cope with lackluster weapons just further enables bad balancing in the future.
I'm just going to copy&paste my comment from the livestream and give my two cents. Not having Blitzer at least high A-tier or low S-tier is interesting. It has the same standout point like the Cookout (good stagger) without the fire DOT, but in exchange, you get unlimited ammo, auto targeting (for pesky jumping hunters), can hit multiple chaff, and medium pen (like in the stream, he stated it's one of the huge deciding factors that make a weapon good on the bug front). With the new patch, it even applies small stun effect on top of really good stagger. In my experience, I don't find the arc targeting troubling and rarely get into situation where it doesn't connect cuz of body blocking (you always constant moving so finding empty space w/o bodies are not a problem)
blitzer has targeting issues. often times doesn't 1 shot a hunter and sometimes won't even hit one. bushes that aren't even big can effect blitzer from hitting anything too.
Unlimited ammo is nice, but absolutely not needed unless you are memeing. Auto targeting is more of a downside if you can aim better than a potato, it's what will sometimes target a bush or a corpse. An issue the cookout never needs to deal with. Also struggles to deal with shriekers.
@@OhDoughI constantly use it and it 1-2 shots hunters and it can kill multiple hunters in 1 shot. It stun locks ever bug and can cancel bile spewers while still dealing damage to them. Only draw back is if your point blank shooting a dead body or trying to shoot shriekers. Hive guards also give it a bit of an issue however you pretty much nullify them while you kill them.
I use the purifier against the robots all the time! The main selling to point that I think you didn't consider is the stun effect each shoot does, it's medium armor pen and also does explosive damage. Scout striders, heavy devs, rocket devs. I can bully and stun lock. While just raining in shot after shot. Allowing my teammates to run away, kill them easier or adjust themselves to a better place. I play level 6 and 7all the time. Liberator carbine. I just against the bugs and bots alot. The high fire rate allows me to delete chaff and those chainsaw guys like instantly. If you play with a gun alot and know how it operates and what the capabilities of it is. Then you can do better with it. I pop devestors faces easily. Even with the high rate of fire and high recoil of the liberator carbine. Not every weapon needs to be able to kill a hulk/titan. Some people just wanna be chaff clear. Bring the carbine and airburst and clear the way for you. While you deal with the heavies.
Hear, hear. Not sure if best, but S tier versus bugs for sure. Needs complimenting stratagems to help it out a little, but that's the whole point of the game.
Bro is giga real for this one. What I care for now is nerfs. I'll HATE to see (for example) Crossbow being touched by devs again. I just want to get used to guns. That's all.
Ton of these gun are in the wrong spots. You not using the primary in match. Sometimes you have to combo them with the stragem to bring out the best. Honestly the tier lists aren’t the best, everything else I like.
@@OhDoughno what I’m saying is that each gun can have weaknesses and but still have their strengths. Stratagems like the railgun can help guns like the ARs that are weak against medium size targets but excel at smaller enemies. You want top guns to do everything for you without thinking on and discarding them for their weakness. I agree some guns like the lib con that stun are a gimmick but those are a few. If you can’t handle the targeting of the Blitzer which is a shotgun or the arch thrower then I’m telling you, you should test new loadouts and listen to other people that have played the game just as much as you.
@@ironicliar2029 Jesus dude listen to what you're saying, if you need a stratagem to counteract the weakness of a primary meanwhile another primary does the same thing yet it doesn't need a stratagem to counteract the weakness, then objectively speaking the gun that needs the stratagem is in a lower tier. Take two guns that are identical however one has no armour pen but the other does, what you're saying is that the one that has no armour pen is just as good you just need to adapt to the weakness by bringing a stratagem that does have armour pen, what is the logic here? The weapon that has no armour pen is just objectively worse and needs to be in a lower tier.
@@singed420snowinit9 my problem isnt that the guns are lower tier than the tops gun. My problem is the tier list making it seem like the gun are just shit. Don’t get me wrong these gun should be lower tier but I think they should be b tier not F or C.
Cookout S tier for bugs, above inc breaker for me. because on higher difficulty it can stagger/handle multiple stalkers. Where the inc breaker can’t. But you still have fire tick damage
First dislike I leave on your videos. Not because of the commentary or quality, but because there is a clear lack of testing in several of the new weapons. I was wondering if this video was from an old patch.
@@OhDough 5 minutes to see if a weapon fits into your specific playstyle isnt very deep testing. You can get alot more out of the c-b tier weapons beyond of them just being "viable".
If you want a more in-depth look at weapon performances, you might want to look to Eravin or someone like that. OhDough is fun for a lot of HD2 videos, but not for weapons testing xD Eravin does more deep-dives and will actually apply consistent logic to the weapons.
Oh Dough the Diligence and the Counter Sniper are precision weapons. Out of everything on this list you’ve under rated them so badly it’s not even funny. The Diligence pushes above its weight as long as you’re going for weak points and limbs against the bugs and you want to for limbs against the bugs. This tier list needs to be redone because I doubt very many people agree with you if your chat is something to go off of.
@@OhDough bruh I’ve seen it in action against bugs and it’s effective as long as you don’t try to compete with the bugs armor. You shouldn’t be aiming at the armor anyway, you’re supposed to be aiming at the fleshy bits. Shooting through the bug’s armor is the most ineffective way of dealing with them and leads to very skewed results.
Blitzer easy S tier. Hold down the mouse and everything smaller than a charger will die, and if they dont die on the first 2 shots the stagger keeps them from getting any closer.
15:30 You did it wrong, This is Not Cope. The Altitude at which you emote, will be the one your new fall damage will be calculated from, you must make sure to emote either really early into flight, or right before you land. That's how the exploit works. I'm not a Glizzy Gladiator, it deadass works like this.
@@OhDough Well I wasn't in that Stream. Just keep in mind what i said next time a tentacle ragdolls you and see for yourself. No word is gospel, truth speaks for itself.
Eruptor in C tier is absolutely criminal, allows you to destroy a whole large bug nest without stepping foot inside of it. Also very good for chaff clear as long as you’re not close range, and you can just bring the dagger for up close encounters.
Idk why you are saying the defender takes half a mag to take out a alpha commander when the incindiary also takes half a mag. The smg allow you to run around while firing, has lots of ammo and lots of mags. Great for light armor builds as you never need to stop to fire at enemies. Also counter sniper sucks on bugs but is SOOO good on bots. Takes out any strider in like 3 shots and every devestator in one.
It's funny how my favorite options are ranked low or at the bottom of the list and I still think it makes sense. Like the Purifier, it's my favorite gun but I understand it's strength cannot shine without working around it's weaknesses. It's also not the best weapon in most specific situations, but it is very versatile and it requires a specific play style. This is how I use it in helldives/super helldives against bots: -Never charge outside cover, or when enemy is shooting u -use cover to force enemies to pile up when they push u -Kill scout striders first as they mess with u cover -Shoot from 100 meters away to help ur teammates -Shoot into the middle of a patrol, 1 mag will be often be enough to kill an entire patrol due to big aoe splash -One hit from it staggers everything -10 shots will take down a gunship if u have no other options -hit the side/top of a cannon turret of a tank or tower to dmg it -Not the fastest kills, but works against most things and practically infinite ammo
i think crossbow deserves more love, i unironically find it to be equal to incen break on bugs now. being able to close bug holes means i can also pick another secondary other than grenade pistol. but you have to get used to reloading a lot, the low mag size is def the main drawback. it's also not great it takes 3 shots to alpha commanders but if there are enemies around the commander it's not that bad, you get a lot of kills on the side, and incen break is not amazing against alpha commanders either imo due to the pitiful stagger, at least with crossbow you can stunlock them
Ammo nerf hurts Breaker Incendiary imo. So I've been using the Cookout instead for bugs. The flamethrower is good. There isn't anything else against bugs I want to use. For bots I'm Scorcher all the way. I've been going between that, the Erupter, and Jar-5. I think I definitely like the Scorcher more. It's less damage, but the explosion effect is what I want. I mainly use it for little guys as I have the Railgun for bezerkers or above.
Getting stuck on one or two crutch guns and refusing to try anything else is a way to speedrun getting bored. Try these to branch out, they're leagues better than the average pick, and they're not on your list: *Bugs:* Eruptor, Crossbow, Tenderizer (set to semi), Lib Carbine (use supply pack), Dominator, Punisher *Bots:* Crossbow, Plas Punisher --- Against bugs: Eruptor deletes waves, especially with rover and swapping regularly to cancel bolt-pull animation. Crossbow owns so hard right now. Tendy is the semi-auto king of bugs. Lib Carbine has ridiculous dps (900+) and a really fun / unique sight. Dominator is the precision king. Punisher is ol' reliable. Against bots: Crossbow 2 shots devs, OR 1 shots them + splash damage from shooting another dev. This is insanely good. Plas Punisher has reliable and super fast kills on small bots (very important this patch) and the ability to kill devs with extreme safety, which is worth a lot this patch.
Can't do that with incendiary breaker either, but he's comboing that with the supply pack, so he can magdump it and don't care that it sucks against elites. Also no other weapons get to rely on a stratagem when they get their tier slot, just the incendiary breaker.
I never see people taking crossbows sound profile into account. It is literally the most dead silent primary in the game, while also being the hardest hitting, with deadly splash on top of that, and is one handed for shield and hard drive missions. Crossbow will take over the META, mark my words.
Sickle is a great Choice for both factions. Devent damage, unlimited ammo (depending on circumstances) the ONLY primary weapon that has more than 60 rounds per clip* (which is really important) i admit it does have its faults, but i will die on my grave before i EVER say the sickle is a "bad" weapon.
@@OhDough You're getting railroaded by the same loadout over and over. Missing / arriving late to how good certain other guns are. Probably the biggest one here is your Tenderizer take. Shocking too, because you can actually aim.
@@OhDough you were right that one time about the nerf fest which everyone already came into conclusion about and now you think you can do no wrong buddy
@@OhDoughman I'm reading the comments section and I just keep seeing your responses and all you say is exactly why people hates the vid and your opinion. 1. You only read the patchnotes and make a video without trying the weapons properly. Wtf 2. You were not right in so many cases. Step down of the clouds. 3. This is a tier list, a pretty bad one if you ask me, very subjective and horribly delivered rooted by desinformation by only reading the patch notes. 4. I just realize you like to hate the game bc yes. No questions ask, no nice updates delivered, you just don't care at all. 5. Tf is with your ego man. All you f*cking youtubers live in another Planet or what. 6. Stop responding comments if you are going to say trash and putting yourself in a bad spot. It is like shooting you on your own foot. 7. Make content of other Game. Please. Just stop doing helldivers. Move on man, clearly you don't do this vids bc you like the game. Money I Guess.
Too harsh IMO, could probably +1 tier just about everything. The apples to apples comment makes sense because all of these guns have variable performance depending on whole build: Torcher for example is trash at killing flyers, stalkers and its dangerous, I-Breaker is trash at dealing with stalkers, bailing teammates or attacking from afar. Blitzer and laser weapons don't need to reload so they are always ready for a quick swap. All these matter for helldivers in general.
I-breaker is good at stalkers. torcher is bad at stalkers and okay at flyers. there's no build that makes AR's good. everything is viable because you can win using whatever. good is a whole different ballpark.
@@OhDough Against 1 stalker i-breaker does fine, but as the number increases it can't keep them at bay like stagger/push weapons do. Same for spewers. With most AR I agree they are lacking, they work but are target limited to light enemies usually, which something like the AC or Rail can cover for. I think this is because of a gamey tendency to subdivide "ARs" and "marksman" weapons... limiting their damage, so they can justify semi-auto like the diligence, though that isn't doing great either.
The beautiful thing is that we can all have completely different opinions about the effectiveness of every welapon and still all of us be right if it's effective for our playstile. Thanks arrowhead
With the liberator concussive, if you pair it with the laser backpack you can shred level 10 bug breaches, it's kinda crazy but you have to use it very right, If I'm not on top of everything solo I can still be overwhelmed very easily
The lib concussive in bottom tier is wild. It’s not amazing but the amount of ammo alone gives it a crazy amount of sustained fire. The stagger is secondary for me to the ability to blind fire into a horde and rack up twenty kills before reloading. Combine that with perma stunning nursing spewers, alpha commanders, and stalkers and you have a solid b-tier weapon imo, c-tier minimum. Edit: had to come back cause it just gets worse. You use every weapon like a complete brainlet with no consideration of its strengths and get surprised when it doesn’t do well.
I tried it and it works. On 7 and lower. The rate of fire is way too slow. It can push stuff back but it takes forever to kill stuff. So you end up with just pushing bugs around without actually killing them. Pretty good for saving teammates getting swarmed though.
Scythe at bottom tier, I no longer feel bad about you getting banned. Jokes aside the thing is S tier for utility and long range if you combine it with queso and jump pack, I've had illegal amounts of fun just climbing onto the tallest cliff in the map available and just sniping everything with instant travel time and NO RECOIL ANYMORE, quesoing whatever it would kill, and due to infinite ammo never having to come down until everyone's moving forward. With the scope it's even better at that, it's effectively the actual sniper rifle for bugs. It also absolutely MASSACRES shriekers due to no recoil and instant travel time + beam so you dont even care about missing them. Setting things on fire means that if you time it right you can shoot a bug just enough to have it set on fire and then move on to the next target lowering the TTK for large mobs considerably. Decapitates alpha commanders without overheating too, and due to no recoil you can actually hit the hive guard weak points better than most other guns of the same pen value. It's not for every playstyle but I'd still consider it a high B or low A just to be charitable, the only places it suffers in is in eradication missions where you don't have the room to manuever while it cools down or if you're using heavy armor for the same reason. I carry it all the time. This is for bugs, eff bots this patch. Ragdoll fiesta.
team crossbow BROKEN AS HELL and OhDough said it is broken and he just puts it in low tier cuz he doesnt want it to be nerfed 10000% APROVED BY SUPER EARTH
Dude I shot it and I don’t know if there’s crits but it one tapped the ass of a charger and I shit my pants. The only thing that beats it in damage is the eruptor only cause of its AOE.
It's nothing special. Maybe it's fine if you run stalwart to close bug holes.
@@argentumoculisgrimm9619 aruptor have worse AOE dmg and range of its AOE making crossbow better version of eruptor and its not SLOW like trash
everyone hates guns that reload hours and that is why i hate eruptor you basicly get twice as much reloading every single fk bullet
@@Theydas its giga broken
copium OhDough doesnt even know what he is talking about, only weapons he uses are meta from 1932 and still compare new weapons to them
The opinions offered here make me feel like I am playing a different game.
What is he wrong about. Most guns are still trash
I couldn’t agree with you more bro, I disagree with a lot of it but at the end of the day they’re just opinions after all
I can’t understand why the arc is not at least an A. It’s god tier now
@@InnerFire6213 a lot of my friends love it, I think I read somewhere he only plays solo so his opinion will vary greatly from people that play the game with a squad
true, I prefer Med pen weapons for all rounders and rock the shotgun pistol if anything gets in my face that needs to back the fuck up and with the buff to thermite nades I have the freedom to rock nade launcher to add clear and plug bug holes unless I got crossbow, then instead of nade launcher I go anything for heavy armor and swap my nades
+respect for showing them at the beginning of the video
I found a comment below that disrespected this. So ungrateful. 💀
If you go into the game following these lists, you're in trouble my friend. His logic for their placement is crazy.
"bad at killing alpha commanders" proceeds to put the incendiary breaker and torcher in S and A respectively, weapons that are fucking awful at killing alpha commanders lol
OhDough has extreme fire dot bias, and *especially* an incen breaker bias. He doesn't use the other guns enough to even comment on their ability without running a quick 5 minute test.
He needs to straight up start using a loadout randomizer to broaden his view, because he's stuck in a very narrow incen breaker + medic armor crutch build that's got him with blinders on.
@@Larknok1louder for the ppl in the back
breaker incen isn't bad at killing alpha's, torcher is but it's ammo economy is really good. fire is good vs bugs I don't know what to tell you.
most guns are the same thing. every AR is bad & every SMG is bad. that rules out a quick 9 guns. I gave yall a "viable" tier but alas.
@@OhDough Breaker Incen doesn't stop / stagger Alpha charges. So you get run down by Alphas on fire. I'm not saying it's bad against Alphas, but it certainly isn't good. Being good against Alphas is nice to have, but it's not the be all and end all.
I don't count not being the best anti-Alpha option against the Cookout or Breaker Incen, and I won't count it against the Tenderizer for the same reason. All three are incredible against the small enemies, and mid-ish against Alphas.
SMGs should come with bucketloads of ammo. Simple fix
Drum mags and just a wee bit more damage.
SMGs should be at current AR damage levels (and I mean they should be in the 70s) and ARs should be at least 100 damage.
@@sgtskysyndrome i agree
that all we want my brother, but seems be difficult to implement such simple thing
Every gun needs bigger mag size
With love - this is the most delulu tier list ever. Love you Dough but Jesus.
it's one of the more rooted in reality lists. people are just incapable of change and the glaze is too strong.
@OhDough fr I agree 😆
@OhDough I feel like testing them on their own and mocking the "it's a combo weapon" mentality is disingenuous. 99% of people aren't dropping in without a support weapon or backpack that either plays into the same strengths as or covers the weaknesses of their primaries. I don't fully disagree with this list. And in the past I've agreed alot more with you but lately it just feels like you're just looking for shit to complain about.
@@Beowulf0510 Yeah, that's pretty much my takeaway from this as well. Love most of his videos, but damn, this tier list sucks. If this game ONLY had primary weapons, it'd be a different situation, but you know he didn't put Incendiary Breaker in S tier without thinking about the Backpack stratagem slot, so why do all the other guns not get the same logic when they get tiered? Makes no sense to me. Incen Breaker on level 10 without backpack is not a good idea at all. So if he's gonna rank that weapon with a stratagem addition in mind, he should do the same for every other weapon.
@@OhDough And then you put the crossbow in B tier when it 2 taps everything that’s not a heavy. You literally have a grenade launcher for a primary.
Scorcher in Viable is crazy to me.
Scorcher is not that good, it’s easy to use, you can spam shots into devs and scout striders but takes half your mag to do that.
True
Scorcher is mid with latest buffs to other guns
Let's see a check kills you close range check clips random objects check low ammo check takes a lot of non headshots check good against bug squishy parts that is it
@@HexxuSz takes gunships check, you can use your grenade launcher now
Cape tier list, please
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Blitzer not S or even A tier because of targeting is wild. It's the only gun in the game with stagger that can kill anything except for heavies with unlimited ammo...No other gun can do that for now...
Ehh, unlimited ammo only matters if you have no other option for chaf clear and don't want to swallow more than one resupply. The incen breaker blows it out of the park in terms of clear and can even make do with world spawns for ammo on diff 10. At best an A but probably a B for utility.
it struggles a lot against hive guards and alpha commanders even when the targeting works right (which is almost never), you can even see dough killing a hive guard in a whopping 5 shots. and unlimited ammo almost never matters if you loot your pois and don't waste resupply timers
blitzer is the most inconsistent gun in the game by far and consistency is very important, even when it is 100% working right it still gets mogged for chaff clear and medium units by other primaries. and the amount of times your blitz arcs will kill a teammate... yikes
Unlimited ammo really doesn't mean that much unless you are shitting the bed that mission and ignoring ammo pickups everywhere.
At that point it's simply a player skill issue.
it's also the only primary that can miss the only target on your screen. but I guess we won't talk about that.
It's A-tier untill they rush you and the bodies start stacking up and suddenly it starts grounding out on bodies and it's F-tier.
I use it a lot but you gotta be suuuper mobile all the time.
Eruptor is back to being more or less its launch strength minus some random super high damage shrapnel hits. Mostly oneshots stalkers and spewers again, which is what I want it doing. It's certainly a little awkward sometimes so I wouldn't call it S tier or anything, but it's fun again.
The eruptor now kill you much more than before they remove the sharpnel, like getting hit 20 time more than the old, and the old is much more stronger, but still have sharpnel is better than not
It's definitely not C tier which this bozo thinks. Easy B tier on lvl 8-10 if not A and anything below that is A to S tier.
I carry it almost exclusively for utility and long range crowd clearing. Other than that it's just very mid but fun to use.
Pair it with the new thermite grenade and the small machine gun stratagem for swarm and switch to the eruptor to clean any medium enemies, thermite for chargers and titans
Im miss the old eruptor. Meta combo eruptor rover quasar 800-1000 kill everymatch, 1 shot to the bug breach and 10-20 kill easily, 1 shot everything, best primary ever have in this game
Ohdough judge criteria for:
Can kill alpha commander = good 🥴
Can't kill alpha commander = bad 🤮
I'm half joking but this list is pretty bad ma boi 😂
EDIT: update, your bot list made me want to off myself 🤣, with peace and love of course
bugs tier list, half weapons in "viable" bot tier list half weapons "viable"
There’s a lot of them at high diff so it’s imperative the weapons are good at killing them
Don’t forget how it has to one-shot every small and medium enemy in the game and has enough ammo to clear an entire bug breach without reloading once
@@Boamere You do know we have 4 stratagems as well? Maybe guns should be ranked on their intended purpose, not their ability to kill 1 mob. This tier list is stupid because it's apparently based on running solo on tier 10, supposedly. And it puts Incen Breaker at S tier when it sucks against alpha commanders compared to some of those in C, F and even the Viable tier. But muh fire dot. There's no consistency in how these guns are ranked. Some of them are ranked off of 1 mob, others aren't. Some guns are ranked against eachother while others aren't. Make it consistent or don't make a tier list.
@@LethalOwl additional note - running solo on 10 while actively avoiding spewers
You only "tested" some of these weapons for a couple of minutes before deciding they were no good, and you did it all live on stream. There were a lot you didn't bother to test at all. You don't even know how to use the crossbow properly. You were aiming for the weak points.
This was so lazy and disingenuous. I honestly don't know if I'm ever going to be able to take your opinions seriously again.
Yeah I saw that he was ADS the counter sniper up close and said this won’t do it doesn’t kill as fast as the breaker incendiary lol that’s the bar he sets everything is compared to fire ttk on bugs. And he only does it in solo scenarios on diff 10 😆 the game isn’t balance for that level. Most guns will be crap when you’re surrounded by 50 enemies you shouldn’t be using a primary unless you use a broken one like cookout which isn’t that op tbh. Idk what he’s smoking on this he’s being a bit harsh on scaling what should be the meta and literally wants everything to be a one shot death machine otherwise it’s useless and why even take it. That’s his mentality.
That's BIG Crossbow talking
Normally I like his tier lists but yeah he was way too critical with this one, plenty of guns are a lot better than where he placed them smh
it's b tier, that was shown at exactly 0:00 of the video. lol
Blitzer is S tier too, it can deal with Spewers and Hunters with infinte ammo, not to mention stagger. bugs eats ammo fast thats why he runs a supply packback 24/7
I don't think you've done testing with all the new changes
I can read well enough to see the changes not changing much for most primary's.
He didn't test most of the weapons at all, he got salty because he kept trying to force incen breaker and had a meltdown when it wasn't bailing him out. Then he sat and looked at spreadsheets and proclaimed weapons bad without playing them lol
@@asdf_asdf948 a weapon is good now if it can kill a bile titan and even then its b tier lol, talking about crossbow, like its not only 1 handed and good at killing pretty much everything it can close bug holes fabs better than the grenade pistol
@@OhDough cap
@@OhDough You can talk about reading patch notes and benign buffs all you want, but fact of the matter is that you won't know for sure until it's tested in actual gameplay. It's equivalent to a scientist coming up with an invention that works in theory, then not testing it and being like "trust me bro it works".
For those who don't know, aiming the blitzer changes its spread by focusing it into a smaller central cone. Also, you should aim slightly above what you want to hit.
Counter sniper not being at the top fir bots is insane. Thing one shots every unit below hulks
Diligence is better imo
Yeah the dude is awful at making tier lists
Jar is better because it can take out striders quicker
@@Boamereyea but counter sniper has faster aim and is better for shooting multiple small bots and has more ammo. They both have their pros and cons
@@blitzhunts True I think it's a good gun, think JAR is king for bots still, maybe crossbow as well
Scorcher just "Viable" when it can kill Gunships easier than the diligences or even the Jar-5 is CRAZY
yet scorcher can't kill a basic devastator all that fast. CRAZY
@@OhDoughdidn’t realize it was meant to do everything
@@OhDough It's almost like it's not that guns purpose. Shocking.
What's his purpose then ?
@@Kywu It has lot of purposes one of which is taking gunships, and its not a bad weapon at dealing with enemies just not as fast as how OhDough likes it to be (1 shots everything)
I'm sorry did you start a tier list of the weapons with the new changes ....without even testing the weapons' new changes prior?
read the patch notes and tell me how game changing the vast majority of primary buffs were...
@@OhDough - certain things are trickier to gauge from the notes alone. For instance, bots are *WAY* deadlier than they were pre-patch. It is more important than ever to stagger groups of Devs every time you shoot them. Hence, Eruptor / Crossbow / Plas Punisher / Dominator stocks are way up on bots.
For the same reason (getting blasted on in 2 seconds) even small bots are threats now. So options that evaporate them super fast are desirable (mostly a Plas Punisher shadow buff. It's the only one of the four above that quickly kills groups of commons.)
@@Larknok1 Imo the only enemy on bots that matters is the rocket strider. Deviators can be killed in one hit by a million different primaries and staggered by others, which is definitely important because the only really job the primary has is killing those and small guys from my perspective. Killing is just going to be better than staggering 90% of the time if you're utilizing cover well imo. You're right that he doesn't test things out that much but honestly it doesn't really matter as these tier lists are all hyper subjective anyway.
Me personally I think there's barely any difference between most of these weapons so I'd separate them for bots into a "bad at killing deviators or has no range," "kills deviators slowish but deals with them," and "kills deviators in one shot or deals with multiples of them while still killing fast."
I just don't think bots is a good place to have so many teirs since I really only use my primary for one thing so it only needs to fulfill that one job.
Seems to be the case. He read a spreadsheet and tested some weapons for 5 seconds and when they couldn’t 2-shot an Alpha Commander and had to reload one time during a bug breach he called it ass and put it in a low tier
Honestly pretty L tier list in most part, but guess its just his play style
Yeah he only plays solo on difficulty 10 so consequently only a select few handful of options will be useful in mowing down chaff and armored enemies. He said anything light armor pen is worthless and shouldn’t exist. So his view on it is that it has to be strong enough to kill mostly everything quickly without the need of any other tools at your disposal.
@@Yellowshirtmann If a gun can handle a solo 10 dive,, it can only handle everything even BETTER with more people running them on all difficulties.
@@Yellowshirtmann Yeah I'm not a big fan of solo diving, only do it for challenge, I prefer to just play with a squad so the list would be very different for me. But as we see, it's his play style
@@MisterZimbabwe I mean there are some weapons that I agree being "almost garbage", but there are plenty of them that just doesn't make sense for me like the blitzer or the crossbow, they're like hella good, and I say that as someone with 270+ hours in game
@@Yellowshirtmann This exactly. He put fire weapons all up in S tier because their drawback is deadly friendly fire. If you only want a gun to do one or two things well, lots of guns are in a decent spot now. I'm big on machine gun/supply backpack so the new liberators both feel great imo. liberator kills hunters, penetrator kills hive guards.
I think they accidentally made the enemies far more deadly by damaging limbs every hit. They didn't really factor in that the bugs do like triple hits, so you still instantly die. Which throws off the balance for all the guns. You need chaff clearing, but also they added more medium stuff, so you need chaff clearing and high damage. I tried the countersniper and it honestly felt pretty good damage wise, but then it can't clear the little guys without running out of ammo quickly.
I prefer to get 1 shot instantly, but rarely than 3 shots everytime
Try the Tenderizer on semi. It's basically the pre-buff Diligence with more than double the ammo.
If you bring a h8gh damage low ammo gun such as Eruptor, or Crossbow, you compensate bringing Stalwart or MG (or flamethrower), or you bring cluster strat or something similar.
Try armour with servo assisted, reduced damage to limbs.
scorcher in F, you are actually smoked.
shits on bile and nursing spewers , does extra damage to squishy parts of enemies bile titan sack and charger ass, if im not mistaken takes 1/3 of a mag for an alpha commander and can multi kills to chaff when close together thanks to small aoe.
I don't think he used all the guns much since the update...
I can shit on nurse and biles with other weapons too that don't have the downsides for the scorcher though.
I don't think there's ever a reason to take scorcher over crossbow or blitzer
I actively avoid bile/nursing spewer planets. scorcher is cheeks atm.
>avoids bug missions where your preferred load out sucks
>Still pretends it's s-tier even though incen breaker is garbo vs those enemies
>Penalizes other guns for not being able to handle everything
C'mon man
Keep in mind the number of people that never play difficulty 9 and 10, then the number who play them but not solo. Many of these weapons do just fine in lower difficulty, and they have to, because you unlock many of them in order.
Many of these weapons do well if you actually adapt to their strengths and don’t use them like a brainlet. There’s still a lot of trash weapons but this list sucks.
A lot of these weapons do just fine in difficulty 10, as per my own testing. This list is bullshit xD There are a lot of weapons that would be fitting for A or S tier. Incen Breaker's alright for chaff clear, but sucks against Alpha Commanders, which he kept throwing other guns in the trash for sucking at too.
Yo no way the sickle is in "Viable" that thing is a BEAST, it's carried me diff 9 cause of the pure hate you can put down range constantly. It kills lil Timmy raiders like nobodies business and the lack of ammo economy means you dont feel bad spamming.
Don't take any "tier list" seriously, form your own. Everyone has their playstyle and blindly follow someone's tier list will just be miserable. IMO Sickle is a beast as long as you stay away from the bigger units like Hive Guards, both Commander variants, and Spewers. It performs better on bots since its easy to headshot most bots.
@@Misfiring89 He should probably not name the tier list video what he did. He's making a very bold claim with such a title, and people will criticize him accordingly, as they should. I love OhDough's Helldivers videos, but his tier lists SUCK xD
Bruh what is this tier list...now i understand why people end the mission with only 100kill when i get 400-500
Sickle is at least A tier against bots, yes it has a certain accuracy spray, but it's not bloom and the recoil is very easy. Shots will always come out very slightly left or right of the crosshair, but it's still easy to headshot kill devastators at very close and very far range.
According to this man, a buffed primary weapon needs to one shot every enemy
just need to kill medium pen enemies more easily and clean chaffs without soo trouble with ammo, wich is pretty fine; Doing that make our support weapons exclusively for the heavy enemies, wich makes a balance about using sup weapons and primary ones, and if the things goes bad, stratagems
Unless it's the Incen Breaker, which gets a free pass on everything and straight to S-tier when it don't even 1 shot warriors. Even with the fire DoT, they sometimes survive unless you shoot them twice. The list makes no sense.
Plus youre not supposed to ONLY use your primary. We have secondaries, support weapons, grenades, stratagems and TEAMMATES.
I think a doomer writeup on what sucks about each weapon (i.e. fire breaker is ammo gathering simulator) would be an entertaining video. Because while they don't feel *awful* anymore, they sure as heck don't feel good. I stopped playing after Slugger nerf until this week, the Exploding Crossbow is roughly a bit weaker (due to lower chaff clear-ability) than pre-nerf Slugger. Feel like people are delusional about how "good"/"powerful" things are rn because they played through the doldrum basement-level of weapon power.
crossbow can deal with med enemies and heavies, and bug holes bot fabs, so your secondry is free to go, use that to clear annoying chaff, use your crossbow for everything else
@@Keywiiwee Which is exactly how old slugger worked, but it fired faster, reloaded faster, and had more ammo. (than crossbow)
But can the slugger decimate an entire patrol with just a few shots? I've done it many times with the current Crossbow, but I'm sure you can't kill 15 enemies with about 3 shots using the pre-nerf Slugger.
The Crossbow is essentially on par with the Grenade Launcher support weapon.
You ain’t built for these seas, son.
Thank you for tier list at beginning
Most youtubers would put everything in S tier now, glad you are more critical. To me the recent buffs to primaries were not enough, support weapons are in a pretty good spot for the most part but primaries are in desperate need for more ammo and/or damage.
I think some are fine as is, but could use more or less fixes than actual buffs like the arc blitzer, it needs to arc horizontally more
You're smokin rocks 😂
Primary weapon meta didn’t change much, breaker family for bugs and Jar 5 for bots
@@mcdull68yeah not at all. try out the counter sniper or the cross bow for the bots. although I agree with the assault rifles being bad still, just dont see how they can ever make them good
@@imsweetthanks7677 give them drum mags would help. And the flinching when hit get reduced. Its just the lots of reloading breaks between the action. You can still be good with assault rifles in my opinion after the buffs. But focus on the target after getting hit and the ammo economy makes the assault rifles just a reaso to struggle.
Killing 5 bugs is a horde😭😂
Exploding crossbow is the best weapon in the game, thanks to it I managet to get 1k+ kill.
As a flame breaker enjoyer I got tired of playing with it for so long, so last few days i was trying different loadouts and I can definitely say that flame breaker without supply backpack is pretty damn bad, not enough ammo to use 100% of anti-infantry capability.
Standart breaker is a solid choice, can deal with a lot of stuff realy quick. Gotta be at least A-tier.
Crossbow is realy shines if you`ll pick something like stalwart in 3-rd slot. Easily S-tier. (Anti-inf + anti-bughole, not to mention spewers)
Blitzer became my favourite, use it with gas and any guard dog and it`s gonna be insane costant stan+damage. Another new S-tier. Also you can run the whole game without resupply.
This is the first tier-list of yours that I highly disagree with.
P.S Sorry for shitty english
I also really don't like the breaker incendiary since the ammo nerf, it just doesn't feel good, but imo if the Blitzer in its current state is S tier than there's something drastically wrong, that gun is so wildly inconsistent it's crazy. The inconsistency alone keeps it down for me but my biggest issue is the existence of shriekers. It's not completely impotent against them but if it had just the tiniest bit more range it could handle them without needing them to swoop at you first.
The crossbow is great but you do kind of need other weapons to make up for its downsides so I wouldn't put it in S either. When I bring it I don't use it enough for it to be like an important part of my build, I could bring the errupter or even the scorcher and get similar results just not quite as good and I think those two weapons are miserable to bring.
I'm not sure I'd put any primary weapons in S tier personally, though I haven't tried the fire warbond. I've pretty much just been bringing the liberator because it's my favorite weapon, can kill shriekers, and everything feels so meh to me right now.
Glad to hear you're branching out!!
Try:
Eruptor + Verdict + Rover
Tenderizer + Bushwacker/Senator
Lib Carbine + Supply Pack + HMG
@@xyriliawhitestrake7263Can never get the blitzer to work. See so many say it’s good. But every time I use it it just can’t seem to hit anything. At point blank it just fires over, and any longer range it doesn’t reach. So I can only use it at a very specific range where the bugs are one lunge away from eating my face. Any further or closer and the gun just stops working.
@@sunnychiu3872 Some guns are good/bad depending on who's using them. I for one suck at using the Dominator, but I know it's a good gun against bots and I got someone in my squad who usually does very well with it. I'm just not a fan of it myself. Some guns are better in other people's hands.
The fact that the slugger cannot reliably one shot hunters and takes the same amount of shots for brood commander heads as the normal punisher is absolutely bonkers. Why am I even bringing a medium pen shotgun that provides no advantage to me while being harder to use and does less damage.
Hive Guards and Bile Spewers
It has a specific purpose, and it certainly ain't for killing hunters. If you bring a "Heavy Hitter" primary, you should be bringing chaff clear stratagems. That's how this game works. Ever heard of the Stalwart?
As a content creator you are viable. As a skilled player, you are F tier. And in my list F tier is below viable.
Anyone who still puts the IB as S tier after the 17th patch has and always will be a bad player.
Guns are meant to be paired. I've been playing on 9's all night with the Scythe and Railgun and had no issues with Bots.
9's? why not 10?
my condolences
@@OhDough Ls
Rose tinted glasses takes 😆 unique perspective for sure. Guess you’ll just bring the dominator every time and forget the rest. Bcus it’s about what makes missions easier not what is fun 👍
It's not a "fun tier list". it's what I think is good in relation to every available option
@@OhDoughthat’s why most people play this for the fun of it and if the guns feels good to use. You’re making this out to be a pro league e sport at this point. Taking it too seriously like every gun has to be a walking nuke. It’s all subjective too, but seems like you’ll never be satisfied. Looking forward to the video after this highlighting comments about how your opinions were rushed and you’re being a doom diver and we are all glizzy gladiators.
I want to like the Dominator, but it feels like the worst gun in the game to shoot.
It's objectively a great gun on the bot front, but not all of us like to use it. I don't like using it, but that don't make it a bad gun. I prefer running the Scorcher.
It actually slaps together with AC on bots front with medium peak physic armor
I use pummler/defender if I run the riot shield for bots. It does actually work pretty decently.
It boils my blood seing the Eruptor that down, I've been running Eruptor with Dagger and thermites and is a beatiful combo. OhDough just wants to kill every one of thr 100 enemies after failing to stop a bug breach, you are supposed to stop them before calling reinforcements!
Yeah this tier list is based off of some whacky logic I can't wrap my head around. Basically every gun in the game is good at killing the literal 'chaff', but he considers Alpha Commanders chaff for some reason. .. And somehow the incendiary breaker is S tier when it sucks against said Alpha Commanders. Oh, also never fights spewers, so makes the whole bug list irrelevant.
Buff for the Stim Pistol. I’m going to send a message everyweek asking the devs for this. They’re great on having people respond to inquiries.
"I dont play on spewer planets."
Explains the tier list. 😂
Yeah the list is crazy bad and will get a lot of poor nooblets killed if they try to follow it.
usually i agree with your opinion, but putting lib pen lower than shotgun against bot is insane
lib pen is 30 rounds. AR's go low just out of principle TBH.
@@OhDough It 1 taps devestator heads. "AR's go low out of principle" is not good grounds for a tier list.
My opinion has arrived.
Why bring a gun that needs another gun to do all the heavy lifting for it? Just bring two good guns! This logic alone makes half the weapons useless
Bro did a 1440 insta swap emote from that charger😭😂
Yes put the jar5 lower, it needs to be buffed to be the bolter it is
The weird thing is that every youtuber has a different tier list. Its just one man opinion. If you like blitzer just use the blitzer. The game is more balanced and its more fun now for me.
I main Bots, and putting Diligence CS at B tier is criminal. It’s at least A. Tenderizer and Adjudicator are B tier against bots
The devs want us using stratagems for bulk trash and primaries to mop up any remaining. Most primaries work fine if you nail your stratagems. Yes I play 9s alot.
Scorcher, HANDS DOWN is God tier...I'll die on that hill
it's a vertically challenged hill, you'll be overrun swiftly
Using Scorcher on diff 10 no problem. Kills everything I want it to kill. For the few remainders, there's stratagems.
The problem with all the assault rifle weapon is that they don't feel good to use because of the ammo restriction. It's like you want you to single shot fire due to how fast you run out of ammo, and it just feels like shit using them so I don't.
"It doesn't oneshot, F tier. Step it up Arrowhead we need more buffs L company reviewbomb game more anyway subscribe!"
Try Tenderizer on semi. 1 shots the flying rats. 2 shots the hunters. 2 shots shriekers. 2 shots hunters.
New 35 rounds = ~20 kills per mag. Bretty good if you can aim.
But you're absolutely screwed if it's a bile spewer planet. Sucks for alpha commanders too. For a light armor penetrating AR, I'll take the Sickle over it every time
@@thelegendaryklobb2879 Alpha Commanders it's the only gun in the game that can rapidly go for a mobility kill (2+ legs blown out). Tendy 2 or 3 shots legs, so you can completely shut down their charges.
Not having the very best match-up against Alphas doesn't mean garbage. Just look at the Cookout and Incen Breaker.
@@thelegendaryklobb2879 Eh you aren't cooked most primaries cant handle bile spewers so thats why you have supply weapons...
Yeah thats the problem. Ohdough said in stream if you gotta aim against bugs you're wasting your time.
@@Duran762 Huh? I play a PVE shooter to aim and kill things fast. Tendy is basically a pre-buff diligence with 35 rounds instead of 15. Is veeery good.
What a shit tier list
Puts crossbow in B tier for bots due to killing a tank, puts Scorcher in F which could've killed that tank in half the time. I like your videos, but your opinion on weapons is mostly just viable. :)
crossbow TTK vs devs was 2 shots and has big blast radius while. scorcher takes ~5-6for devs and ~5-6 for berzerkers with no blast radius. scorcher reload is slow and so is crossbow. xbow can also close bot fabs/nests.
my opinions are rooted in more fact than people want to believe, some weapons I'm wrong on but scorcher is bad atm.
@@OhDough Sorry, but your opinions are rooted in your playstyle and nothing else. Scorcher isn't the best against devs, I give you that. So what? That's not the purpose of the weapon. It absolutely excels in killing anything that has weak spots / fleshy parts. It's currently not A or S, but definitly B or C depending on your skill with it.
@@DarkShadow84 I bring Scorcher to level 10 bot missions and do pretty well with it, no problemo.
A clear shotgun-range bias vs bugs and "sniper" (semi-auto med-pen) solidarity for bots.
The AR aren't as bad as Dough's making out as most of them can drill a single spot reasonably reliable at most ranges but i will agree that if it's only light-pen it's just "viable" in higher difficulties due to the prevalence of med-armour taking up half or more of each spawn-wave, not event he most generaous support weapon can't deal with that kind of usage requirement every 60-90 seconds.
TTk of many AR's are not that different to the other weapons (unless it's a 1-shot) but yeah the damage per total-ammo capacity in the case of most ARs is far from flattering. given the shotguns get a similar shell count per-mag while having 4-8 times the applied-damage
AR's are terrible.
@@OhDough All but the Tenderizer and Carbine against bugs. You have good enough aim, try the Tendy on semi. Then try Carbine with Supply Pack.
Tendy has crazy good break points, and the 35 mag is really good. Carbine is the closest to Stalwart as a primary in the game. Its 900+ dps puts the other liberators to extreme shame.
Ar´s aren´t good lil G
@@Larknok1 A weapon should be good without help from other items. The carbine sucks, its terrible; relying on a supply pack to make it usable is just trying to cover up its sad state. The closest we have to a stalwart as a primary is the Sickle, it does a bit less damage but you get the firing time/ammo and enough damage to make it feel as close as we can get to a primary LMG.
A weapon should always be good standalone before you start talking about combos. Using combos to cope with lackluster weapons just further enables bad balancing in the future.
I'm just going to copy&paste my comment from the livestream and give my two cents.
Not having Blitzer at least high A-tier or low S-tier is interesting. It has the same standout point like the Cookout (good stagger) without the fire DOT, but in exchange, you get unlimited ammo, auto targeting (for pesky jumping hunters), can hit multiple chaff, and medium pen (like in the stream, he stated it's one of the huge deciding factors that make a weapon good on the bug front). With the new patch, it even applies small stun effect on top of really good stagger.
In my experience, I don't find the arc targeting troubling and rarely get into situation where it doesn't connect cuz of body blocking (you always constant moving so finding empty space w/o bodies are not a problem)
blitzer has targeting issues. often times doesn't 1 shot a hunter and sometimes won't even hit one. bushes that aren't even big can effect blitzer from hitting anything too.
@@OhDough If we're being honest, bushes are made out of titanium alloy in this game
Unlimited ammo is nice, but absolutely not needed unless you are memeing.
Auto targeting is more of a downside if you can aim better than a potato, it's what will sometimes target a bush or a corpse. An issue the cookout never needs to deal with. Also struggles to deal with shriekers.
@@OhDoughI constantly use it and it 1-2 shots hunters and it can kill multiple hunters in 1 shot. It stun locks ever bug and can cancel bile spewers while still dealing damage to them. Only draw back is if your point blank shooting a dead body or trying to shoot shriekers. Hive guards also give it a bit of an issue however you pretty much nullify them while you kill them.
@@OhDough biggest downside is that it often shoots at corpses instead of the thing you are trying to hit
I really enjoy your content, but your insistence that your opinion is gospel truth is really off-putting.
I use the purifier against the robots all the time! The main selling to point that I think you didn't consider is the stun effect each shoot does, it's medium armor pen and also does explosive damage. Scout striders, heavy devs, rocket devs. I can bully and stun lock. While just raining in shot after shot. Allowing my teammates to run away, kill them easier or adjust themselves to a better place. I play level 6 and 7all the time. Liberator carbine. I just against the bugs and bots alot. The high fire rate allows me to delete chaff and those chainsaw guys like instantly. If you play with a gun alot and know how it operates and what the capabilities of it is. Then you can do better with it. I pop devestors faces easily. Even with the high rate of fire and high recoil of the liberator carbine. Not every weapon needs to be able to kill a hulk/titan. Some people just wanna be chaff clear. Bring the carbine and airburst and clear the way for you. While you deal with the heavies.
Opinion drops in 2 hours
Please do tell THE ANTICIPATION IS KILLING ME
This whole tier list is just dough judging a fish for its ability to climb a tree.
Are we not playing the same game? Diligence as a B tier against bots is insane lmao.
counter diligence sniper is the primary version of AMR, 1 tap everything in the head and is very maneuverable. A tier vs bots
I still think the blitzer is the best bug weapon in the game, being able to stun multiple enemies is really good for lifesaving moments.
Hear, hear. Not sure if best, but S tier versus bugs for sure. Needs complimenting stratagems to help it out a little, but that's the whole point of the game.
I know tier lists are usually awful, but this really takes the cake on ass takes
Diligence CS is at least A tier vs bots. Insanely good at picking off devastators.
IDK what you're smoking but... can I have some?
Bro is giga real for this one.
What I care for now is nerfs. I'll HATE to see (for example) Crossbow being touched by devs again. I just want to get used to guns. That's all.
"Eruptor fires slow still"
Doesn't quick swap...ok
not putting crossbow in S tier is criminal
Ton of these gun are in the wrong spots. You not using the primary in match. Sometimes you have to combo them with the stragem to bring out the best. Honestly the tier lists aren’t the best, everything else I like.
"primary's can be terrible" solid advice that arrowhead was listening to for months keep up the good work!
@@OhDoughno what I’m saying is that each gun can have weaknesses and but still have their strengths. Stratagems like the railgun can help guns like the ARs that are weak against medium size targets but excel at smaller enemies. You want top guns to do everything for you without thinking on and discarding them for their weakness. I agree some guns like the lib con that stun are a gimmick but those are a few. If you can’t handle the targeting of the Blitzer which is a shotgun or the arch thrower then I’m telling you, you should test new loadouts and listen to other people that have played the game just as much as you.
@@ironicliar2029 that´s why all the primaries are in this state my lil nigga, someone like you glazing these weapons won´t make the game fun
@@ironicliar2029 Jesus dude listen to what you're saying, if you need a stratagem to counteract the weakness of a primary meanwhile another primary does the same thing yet it doesn't need a stratagem to counteract the weakness, then objectively speaking the gun that needs the stratagem is in a lower tier.
Take two guns that are identical however one has no armour pen but the other does, what you're saying is that the one that has no armour pen is just as good you just need to adapt to the weakness by bringing a stratagem that does have armour pen, what is the logic here? The weapon that has no armour pen is just objectively worse and needs to be in a lower tier.
@@singed420snowinit9 my problem isnt that the guns are lower tier than the tops gun. My problem is the tier list making it seem like the gun are just shit. Don’t get me wrong these gun should be lower tier but I think they should be b tier not F or C.
Cookout S tier for bugs, above inc breaker for me. because on higher difficulty it can stagger/handle multiple stalkers. Where the inc breaker can’t. But you still have fire tick damage
First dislike I leave on your videos. Not because of the commentary or quality, but because there is a clear lack of testing in several of the new weapons. I was wondering if this video was from an old patch.
lack of testing on what tho? vast majority of primary weapons got benign buffs.
@@OhDough 5 minutes to see if a weapon fits into your specific playstyle isnt very deep testing. You can get alot more out of the c-b tier weapons beyond of them just being "viable".
If you want a more in-depth look at weapon performances, you might want to look to Eravin or someone like that. OhDough is fun for a lot of HD2 videos, but not for weapons testing xD Eravin does more deep-dives and will actually apply consistent logic to the weapons.
Oh Dough the Diligence and the Counter Sniper are precision weapons. Out of everything on this list you’ve under rated them so badly it’s not even funny.
The Diligence pushes above its weight as long as you’re going for weak points and limbs against the bugs and you want to for limbs against the bugs. This tier list needs to be redone because I doubt very many people agree with you if your chat is something to go off of.
sniper vs bugs is bad.
@@OhDough bruh I’ve seen it in action against bugs and it’s effective as long as you don’t try to compete with the bugs armor. You shouldn’t be aiming at the armor anyway, you’re supposed to be aiming at the fleshy bits. Shooting through the bug’s armor is the most ineffective way of dealing with them and leads to very skewed results.
Blitzer easy S tier. Hold down the mouse and everything smaller than a charger will die, and if they dont die on the first 2 shots the stagger keeps them from getting any closer.
15:30 You did it wrong, This is Not Cope. The Altitude at which you emote, will be the one your new fall damage will be calculated from, you must make sure to emote either really early into flight, or right before you land. That's how the exploit works. I'm not a Glizzy Gladiator, it deadass works like this.
I'll validate the gladiator status. lots of lies were told to me yesterday alone.
@@OhDough Well I wasn't in that Stream. Just keep in mind what i said next time a tentacle ragdolls you and see for yourself. No word is gospel, truth speaks for itself.
Eruptor in C tier is absolutely criminal, allows you to destroy a whole large bug nest without stepping foot inside of it. Also very good for chaff clear as long as you’re not close range, and you can just bring the dagger for up close encounters.
I almost spat my coffee when he emote ragdolled 😂
Idk why you are saying the defender takes half a mag to take out a alpha commander when the incindiary also takes half a mag. The smg allow you to run around while firing, has lots of ammo and lots of mags. Great for light armor builds as you never need to stop to fire at enemies. Also counter sniper sucks on bugs but is SOOO good on bots. Takes out any strider in like 3 shots and every devestator in one.
It's funny how my favorite options are ranked low or at the bottom of the list and I still think it makes sense.
Like the Purifier, it's my favorite gun but I understand it's strength cannot shine without working around it's weaknesses. It's also not the best weapon in most specific situations, but it is very versatile and it requires a specific play style.
This is how I use it in helldives/super helldives against bots:
-Never charge outside cover, or when enemy is shooting u
-use cover to force enemies to pile up when they push u
-Kill scout striders first as they mess with u cover
-Shoot from 100 meters away to help ur teammates
-Shoot into the middle of a patrol, 1 mag will be often be enough to kill an entire patrol due to big aoe splash
-One hit from it staggers everything
-10 shots will take down a gunship if u have no other options
-hit the side/top of a cannon turret of a tank or tower to dmg it
-Not the fastest kills, but works against most things and practically infinite ammo
i think crossbow deserves more love, i unironically find it to be equal to incen break on bugs now. being able to close bug holes means i can also pick another secondary other than grenade pistol. but you have to get used to reloading a lot, the low mag size is def the main drawback. it's also not great it takes 3 shots to alpha commanders but if there are enemies around the commander it's not that bad, you get a lot of kills on the side, and incen break is not amazing against alpha commanders either imo due to the pitiful stagger, at least with crossbow you can stunlock them
Ammo nerf hurts Breaker Incendiary imo. So I've been using the Cookout instead for bugs. The flamethrower is good. There isn't anything else against bugs I want to use.
For bots I'm Scorcher all the way. I've been going between that, the Erupter, and Jar-5. I think I definitely like the Scorcher more. It's less damage, but the explosion effect is what I want. I mainly use it for little guys as I have the Railgun for bezerkers or above.
Getting stuck on one or two crutch guns and refusing to try anything else is a way to speedrun getting bored.
Try these to branch out, they're leagues better than the average pick, and they're not on your list:
*Bugs:*
Eruptor, Crossbow, Tenderizer (set to semi), Lib Carbine (use supply pack), Dominator, Punisher
*Bots:*
Crossbow, Plas Punisher
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Against bugs: Eruptor deletes waves, especially with rover and swapping regularly to cancel bolt-pull animation. Crossbow owns so hard right now. Tendy is the semi-auto king of bugs. Lib Carbine has ridiculous dps (900+) and a really fun / unique sight. Dominator is the precision king. Punisher is ol' reliable.
Against bots: Crossbow 2 shots devs, OR 1 shots them + splash damage from shooting another dev. This is insanely good. Plas Punisher has reliable and super fast kills on small bots (very important this patch) and the ability to kill devs with extreme safety, which is worth a lot this patch.
My man wont be happy until he can 3 tap an elite mob with an SMG
Can't do that with incendiary breaker either, but he's comboing that with the supply pack, so he can magdump it and don't care that it sucks against elites. Also no other weapons get to rely on a stratagem when they get their tier slot, just the incendiary breaker.
Is anyone surprised that he is STILL salty af and complaining? Im not.
I never see people taking crossbows sound profile into account. It is literally the most dead silent primary in the game, while also being the hardest hitting, with deadly splash on top of that, and is one handed for shield and hard drive missions. Crossbow will take over the META, mark my words.
Liberator concussive being viable is criminal
Screw the incendiary breaker. Stop riding that thing. Embrace cookout supremacy.
Incen > cookout
I’m not sure you and I are playing the same game…
considering most people have been clueless about helldivers 2 since it came out. we probably aren't.
@@OhDough definitely doesn’t seem like it.
@@OhDough sad response
Sickle is a great Choice for both factions. Devent damage, unlimited ammo (depending on circumstances) the ONLY primary weapon that has more than 60 rounds per clip* (which is really important) i admit it does have its faults, but i will die on my grave before i EVER say the sickle is a "bad" weapon.
Sickle is a solid A tier versus both factions imo. Even at level 10 difficulty.
Usually you make sense. But you are lost here man.
This dude has no clue what hes talking about
I do, I've been right about basically everything since the game came out.
@@OhDough You're getting railroaded by the same loadout over and over. Missing / arriving late to how good certain other guns are. Probably the biggest one here is your Tenderizer take. Shocking too, because you can actually aim.
@@OhDough you were right that one time about the nerf fest which everyone already came into conclusion about and now you think you can do no wrong buddy
@@OhDough holy shit your ego is through the roof
@@OhDoughman I'm reading the comments section and I just keep seeing your responses and all you say is exactly why people hates the vid and your opinion.
1. You only read the patchnotes and make a video without trying the weapons properly. Wtf
2. You were not right in so many cases. Step down of the clouds.
3. This is a tier list, a pretty bad one if you ask me, very subjective and horribly delivered rooted by desinformation by only reading the patch notes.
4. I just realize you like to hate the game bc yes. No questions ask, no nice updates delivered, you just don't care at all.
5. Tf is with your ego man. All you f*cking youtubers live in another Planet or what.
6. Stop responding comments if you are going to say trash and putting yourself in a bad spot. It is like shooting you on your own foot.
7. Make content of other Game. Please. Just stop doing helldivers. Move on man, clearly you don't do this vids bc you like the game. Money I Guess.
Good one bro, when's the serious tier list?
i actually really do appreciate it being at the very start of the video. thank you
Too harsh IMO, could probably +1 tier just about everything. The apples to apples comment makes sense because all of these guns have variable performance depending on whole build:
Torcher for example is trash at killing flyers, stalkers and its dangerous, I-Breaker is trash at dealing with stalkers, bailing teammates or attacking from afar. Blitzer and laser weapons don't need to reload so they are always ready for a quick swap. All these matter for helldivers in general.
I-breaker is good at stalkers. torcher is bad at stalkers and okay at flyers.
there's no build that makes AR's good. everything is viable because you can win using whatever. good is a whole different ballpark.
@@OhDough Against 1 stalker i-breaker does fine, but as the number increases it can't keep them at bay like stagger/push weapons do. Same for spewers.
With most AR I agree they are lacking, they work but are target limited to light enemies usually, which something like the AC or Rail can cover for.
I think this is because of a gamey tendency to subdivide "ARs" and "marksman" weapons... limiting their damage, so they can justify semi-auto like the diligence, though that isn't doing great either.
MARGE: Make Assault Rifles Great Eventually
The beautiful thing is that we can all have completely different opinions about the effectiveness of every welapon and still all of us be right if it's effective for our playstile. Thanks arrowhead
Diligence is s tier… the buff makes it almost better than the anti material rifle
not even remotely accurate. AMR has more durable dmg and higher armor pen.
i'm a normal diligence fan but it's definitely not s tier
"he shot through the flag he's cheating" that made crack up way too much lol
With the liberator concussive, if you pair it with the laser backpack you can shred level 10 bug breaches, it's kinda crazy but you have to use it very right, If I'm not on top of everything solo I can still be overwhelmed very easily
The lib concussive in bottom tier is wild. It’s not amazing but the amount of ammo alone gives it a crazy amount of sustained fire. The stagger is secondary for me to the ability to blind fire into a horde and rack up twenty kills before reloading. Combine that with perma stunning nursing spewers, alpha commanders, and stalkers and you have a solid b-tier weapon imo, c-tier minimum.
Edit: had to come back cause it just gets worse. You use every weapon like a complete brainlet with no consideration of its strengths and get surprised when it doesn’t do well.
I tried it and it works. On 7 and lower. The rate of fire is way too slow. It can push stuff back but it takes forever to kill stuff. So you end up with just pushing bugs around without actually killing them. Pretty good for saving teammates getting swarmed though.
@@sunnychiu3872 Used it on difficulty 10 and it worked alright for it's purpose. For everything else, there was stratagems.
Scythe at bottom tier, I no longer feel bad about you getting banned. Jokes aside the thing is S tier for utility and long range if you combine it with queso and jump pack, I've had illegal amounts of fun just climbing onto the tallest cliff in the map available and just sniping everything with instant travel time and NO RECOIL ANYMORE, quesoing whatever it would kill, and due to infinite ammo never having to come down until everyone's moving forward. With the scope it's even better at that, it's effectively the actual sniper rifle for bugs. It also absolutely MASSACRES shriekers due to no recoil and instant travel time + beam so you dont even care about missing them. Setting things on fire means that if you time it right you can shoot a bug just enough to have it set on fire and then move on to the next target lowering the TTK for large mobs considerably. Decapitates alpha commanders without overheating too, and due to no recoil you can actually hit the hive guard weak points better than most other guns of the same pen value.
It's not for every playstyle but I'd still consider it a high B or low A just to be charitable, the only places it suffers in is in eradication missions where you don't have the room to manuever while it cools down or if you're using heavy armor for the same reason. I carry it all the time.
This is for bugs, eff bots this patch. Ragdoll fiesta.
This comment is hilarious... He's not banned anymore. 😅
He's focusing on the ability of a primary to kill enemies with no help. Scythe gets you run down on bugs because it has no stagger.