Halle Berry’s Razzie acceptance speech was the best thing to come from this film. Not only was it the most hilarious thing ever but she had a great message about taking criticism even if you don’t want to.
I can't get enough of how specific John Rogers got with that one quote, what with saying Halle's outfit looks specifically like a *Quebecois* stripper.
I have a theory about this movie: that someone wrote a generic script about Patience Phillips becoming a random generic hero, but they realized it wouldn't sell so just slapped the Catwoman name on it to try and sell more tickets.
I have to give Halle Berry credit for accepting her own worst actress award, that shows she's willing to laugh at herself. Too bad the Razzies have lost their way in recent years...
I think Halle Berry showing up might've hurt the Razzies more than helped. Hence them nominating Sandra Bullock and then later, Dwayne Johnson, and Jennifer Lawrence hoping they'll show up.
@@JustinCoasters You also got to love how the Razzies view movies that have a polarizing reception. Ghostbusters 2016 gets no nominations for Razzies, yet Darren Aronofsky's mother! gets 2 for the director and J-Law. Sure, both movies are polarizing for different reasons, but how did Ghostbusters 2016 not get nominated? [Sarcasm] Oh, right! The movie got a fresh rating on RT! And as we all know, that prevents your film from getting Razzies thrown at it! [Sarcasm ends] Film Journalists can be as bullshit as Games Journalists sometimes... Heck, considering that the Razzies are willing to smack at movies that got positive reception like with Fahrenheit 9/11, so what was stopping them from give GB2016 any nominations, despite Paul Feig being as up his own ass with that movie?
@@TommyDeonauthsArchives They weren't really getting at Fahrenheit 9/11, just wanted to make lame Bush jokes [a trick they repeated for Trump later] for attention seeking/clickbait as they often do with easy'/widely disliked targets [like Lyndsay Lohan in 'I know who killed me' or Stallone over the years]. Mel Gibson got a nomination for Expendables 3 despite most people saying he was a bright spot in it because he was a disliked celebrity at the time. If the Razzie's nominated films that are actually the worst films of the year-VOD films or Sci Fi channel original films-no one would care as [unless it's a Bruce Willis snooze fest] no big names appear in them and no one watches them.
@@stevenkranowski5141 The Supervoid TH-cam channel briefly went over the story concepts for Tim Burton's Catwoman in this video: th-cam.com/video/Mpo0ZgUhd5g/w-d-xo.html
Who knows? If the Michael Keaton Batman rumor about Flashpoint is true, then maybe, JUST MAYBE, Michelle Pfeiffer could return as Catwoman. I have no evidence on hand to back it up; I just think it sounds cool, and if Spider-Man: No Way Home can pull off bringing in other versions and villains from previous movie series, I can't think of why DC wouldn't try that.
I remember the conversation around this movie at the time was why female super heroes movies don't work. All the talking heads decided it was because the public was sexist and didn't want to see women in the leads, which is Hollywood's classic excuse anytime they f*** up and make a stupid movie that no one wants to see; "We're not sexist, you're sexist!" Instead of doing some soul-searching and asking themselves, "Why can't we write women well?" Batman stopped the Joker from poisoning all of Gotham, the Penguin from stealing an election AND murdering children, Riddler from stealing everyone's minds, and Mr. Freeze from starting an ice apocalypse. And what's Catwoman's plot? Inferior cosmetics. Aim high girl, aim high.
To be fair Sean, Pitof was interviewed a few years ago and he agrees with your criticisms of the movie and his directing. His directing in Vidocq is much better (only $20 million), but he was in a comfort zone whereas working with Warner Bros on a $100 million movie was not, and he admitted he was "in over his head." Here's an interview/tweetstorm by one of the writers: www.thewrap.com/catwoman-writer-it-was-s-movie-with-zero-cultural-relevance/
Then again DC Comics management in the early 2000’s was really weird in general. Around the same time they had something fans called the Bat Embargo in which a character from the Batman mythos was only allowed to appear in one piece of media at a time, which is why Robin didn’t show up in the 2004 Batman cartoon until the original Teen Titans was cancelled, and the Timmverse versions of Riddler and Scarecrow were supposed to be on the Legion of Doom in the Justice League cartoon since they were on the original Super Friends’ Legion ,but that idea was shot down because they had each already appeared in the 2004 cartoon and Batman Begins. And why was that? It would apparently confuse kids if they saw the characters appear in different versions….no really that was the reason. Except of course if you think about for more than five seconds you’d realize that somehow Batman himself was fine even though all of the pieces of media I listed are VERY different and do contradict each other. And also the fact that kids are not stupid and can probably tell pieces of media apart. Maybe that was the reason why they couldn’t have anything from the comics in the Catwoman movie? I have no idea Update: just remembered that, she did appear in the 2004 cartoon so….probably Edit: somehow I overlooked some typos, especially weird since my point was that children WEREN’T morons
@@SiRenfield I didn't know about the Bat Embargo either, so thanks for informing me as well. Also, I think the Arrowverse example of this behaviour was also evident in how Superman barely appeared in the early seasons of Supergirl and how we didn't get any Bat-themed shows until 2019.
Probably the strangest example was with the '97 Justice League made for TV movie. It was based on a run that didn't have most of the classic Justice League Lineup (of DC's big 3, it only had Batman - and that was only because the head writer of Batman at the time, Denny O'Neil, took pity on the comic and agreed to let Batman be used), yet in the movie, there's no Batman (there is Martian Manhunter, Barry Allen's Flash, and some guy who calls himself Guy Gardner that's more akin to Kyle Rayner) - and this is because, of all things, Batman and Robin was coming out that year.
@@guardianx51that particular run is referred to as the Justice League International, written by the late Keith Giffen (R.I.P.) and J. M. DeMatteis, who you might know from work on Spider-Man like “Kraven’s Last Hunt” and “Maximum Carnage.” Honestly, it’s not a bad idea for a Justice League movie lineup at that time, but at the same time, that run of the book ended and had become Justice League of America again, so it might have been a little too late to have that lineup. What didn’t help was that some of the bigger members like Booster Gold, Blue Beetle, Captain Atom, Black Canary, Mister Miracle, and Maxwell Lord weren’t in the movie. Atom wasn’t on the team, and Flash was on an offshoot team called Justice League Europe. I do actually recommend that run, at least if you’re okay with comedic superhero stories.
"Why would anything need boob zippers?" Breastfeeding? Lactation fetish? A Free the Nipple protest? Teasing during sexy times? Admittedly pretty limited circumstances.
I remember in the original review, there was a commenter who wrote that they "really like this movie" and that "only a dumazz [sic] (you) would notice the mistakes" in the movie. Kinda wondering what happened to that person...
@@goreycinema Yeah, if I remember correctly, Smeghead's reply was a sarcastic agreement that "it was pretty dumb of me to notice the mistakes," followed by questioning the logic of that statement.
Can we all appreciate that Catwoman came out the same year as Spider-Man 2. Which means, 2004 had one of the worst superhero films and one of (if not) the best superhero films (Also, I like Spider-Man 3 and I will FIGHT YOU).
@@davidminor4213 It was made as a serious super hero movie, and has flaws that weren’t intentional including Catwoman teleports through a damn wall, the asinine she isn’t a killer after killing a character, etc.
Oh, God, I watched that film so many times when I was in high school; my sense of humor was very stupid. Looking back, I feel like that film still has some gems. "He's right; make 'em bigger." XD
Didn't they try "Halle Barry Action Star" twice? The other one being Die Another Day...and they were thinking of spinning off the character into her own movie?
Pitof almost directed another film, the unreleased multi-million dollar attempt at a Chinese blockbuster Empires of the Deep. It was finished in 2014, but a trailer screening went bad and many people were unpaid. It's kind of fascinating to read about if you're interested. The only other 2004 film worse than Catwoman for me was Shadow of Fear, an extremely boring movie starring James Spader. Honestly it should be easy to make a Catwoman movie, just do a heist film in Gotham City with a bunch of Batman villains. Do Heat, The Italian Job or Rififi but with Catwoman
And at one point they tried to get Sharon Stone to star in "Empires Of The Dark". Four directors, ten scriptwriters, forty different drafts for the script, FIVE YEARS of post-production, five and a half years since the planned release date in December 2015. A lot of people who worked on that thing have been waiting to get paid for over a decade now. Let's hope they didn't hold their breaths while waiting. What a total shitshow! And all that because some über-rich, ultra-corrupt real estate billionaire asshole wanted his own Chinese nationalist propaganda version of a "Lord Of The Rings"-type project. Set down where it's wetter and better, with mermaids and pirates.
At what point Warner Bros thought "Let's give 100 million dollars to an unknown french graphic designer"? Also, what kind of moron ignores notes from one of the writers (John Rogers) that says "bad, bad, very bad"? You better give that money to a junior film student.
I was hoping you'd show the hilarious video of when Halle Berry first revealed the Catwoman outfit on Oprah and she had to pretend to love it and act like it was female empowerment.
@@andrewbloom7637 Good, you checked out Wikipedia, so... I remember they credited this video as directed by Pitof when I watched it Back in the day. Well, blame the dudes Who played on cable tv it in 2002.
Something I barely see get brought up in regards to this movie is how the villain's endgame revolves around cosmetic products. It was silly when the Joker did it in the first Tim Burton Batman movie, too, buy it fit with the style that Burton created. Here it's just... dumb. Anyway, for a good Catwoman movie, I recommend seeking out the eponymous 2011 short which was made as a companion piece to the DCAU's Batman: Year One. Eliza Dushku voices Selina in both. And, of course, if you want more Catwoman material, don't forget to either (re)play Batman: Arkham City and/or (re)watch Batman Returns and The Dark Knight Rises. Regardless of how you feel about the latter, it's far, FAR better than this.
Quick answer as to if the Razzies ever meant anything: No. They were never meant to mean anything. The problem is that people take them too seriously. I like this project, but it's only proving that point.
@@seanmiller4170 We need a second "bad awards show" to come around like the Stinkers. The Stinkers disappeared almost 20 years ago for no apparent reason.
@@galeforce3192 I'm just spit-balling names for another joke awards show for bad movies/TV shows/music/books/[insert media here]. How does "The Turdies" sound? Or "The Pukies"?
Man, you're going to be doing "2nd looks" for nearly all of the 2010s film. You've already review Best Picture winners for 2009 (Revenge of the Fallen), 2010 (The Last Airbender), 2011 (Jack and Jill), 2012 (Breaking Dawn, part 2), 2014 (Saving Christmas), 2015 (Fant4stic and 50 Shades of Grey), 2016 (Hilary's America). The only 2010s ones you have left to actually review is 2013 (Movie 43), 2017 (Emoji Movie), 2018 (Holmes & Watson), and Cats (2019).
@@matthewdaley746 Vancouver plays everywhere, I've seen it be basically every major US city, and a bunch of non-US cities. New York, Chicago, LA, San Francisco, Detroit, Tokyo, Mumbai, fucking Pyongyang. But Vancouver playing Vancouver? Almost never... except when it's playing Vancouver, Washington.
The nickname thing is probably just something silly that stuck. I remember one of my Dads friends was called Pizza. One day i found out it was because he had AWFUL acne as a teen so he got called Pizza Face which then got shortened to Pizza. This man was now over 40 and still reacted normally to the name, it wasnt said as a mean thing or anything anymore, it was just the name people knew him by.
I enjoyed that he ended the episode promoting his next review by moving the Dirty Love dvd up so persons can see the dvd, and him saying the words “Next Time.”
I still like this film. Call it guilty pleasure. Of course I have no idea about the actual comics, so I have no prejudice. Btw, if that's the Merovingian, this is a version of the Matrix?
@@thecinematicmind what makes it even worse is that she claimed to have CURED her sons autism somehow, in fact there’s a lot of evidence that her son was never autistic but in fact had a different disorder that displays similar symptoms (I forget the name of it though). As someone on the spectrum she can be shot into the sun as far as I’m concerned
@@kingsford3657 It is painful from my memories of it. Imagine nonstop jokes about body fluids coming from the most ignorant people you can visualize, and you'll at least be in the ballpark.
I remember when this came out, there was actually a video game tie in. Yes, there was a video game based off CINO...... And apparently it was just as bad as the movie, with one game magazine actually saying that it might be WORSE than the actual movie.
i like how Warner Bros couldn't get Jean-Pierre Jeunet or Marc Caro to direct this movie (if they did, it would've been messy, but it would've been oh-so-gloriously fun), so instead they got their visual effects supervisor.
For the record Groot's 1st publication was in Tales to Astonish #13...November 1960... your talking tree was in Marvel comics since before you or I was born. Rocket Raccoon? 1976...the MCU didn't just dream up these characters yesterday.
I swear In the scene that explains the side effects of the skin cream you can actually see the outline where they cut out the green screen around the actor. It could just be the lighting but I´m confident it isn´t.
I don't think Selina really died in the beginning of Returns. If you remember, she crashed through about four awnings that cushioned her fall and knocked her unconscious. The cats crawling around and biting her woke her up, but, in a sense, she was resurrected.
@@Hewylewis I’m wrong because the 4 awnings decreased the impact of her fall. Suspension of disbelief has a limit which is why a comic book movie or any other genre can be criticized for unbelievable flaws.
I remember seeing a pic of Berry as 'Catwoman' in a newspaper and thinking it was related to the upcoming Batman reboot aka Batman Begins. In fairness I was a kid at the time. Of course they were two separate projects and couldn't have been more different in tone and quality...
18:20 Given the Razzie's have taken back some awards and nominations due to backlash [Bruce Willis, Shelly Duval, Ryan Kira Armstrong] maybe they can get rid of some of there other nonsense like Britney, Jake Lloyd etc. while there at it.
I'll bet they picked Britney Spears for Worst Supporting Actress cause they couldn't pick her cause they picked Madonna for 2002's Swept Away when Crossroads came out.
@Cinematic Excrement To answer your question whether or not to it could have been better with Michelle Pfeifer, Yes, Yes it would have. But, here's how it would have worked with either her or Halle Berry. 1. Set it in Gotham and incorporate natural references to the Batman mythos. 2. Instead of the two clowns being the villains, it's painfully obvious that at some point someone in the writing process wanted a Batman villain to be in this film. Who in question: Black Mask. Think about it, Black Mask is the head of a cosmetics company called Janis Cosmetics, he is obsessed with masks and faces and the symbolism both represent, he's the head of a crime syndicate called the False Face Society and he uses medieval torture methods on his victims. Although that last part may have made the movie R rated. I also say Black Mask as he was written in the comics would have made the film a little better, since he does have a history with Catwoman. The Gotham City Sirens storyline comes to mind. If they wanted to have the "commentary " around beauty and appearances they could have used Black Mask for that or just make an original super heroine film using that as a satire.
I never caught this, because I only saw a couple of clips of "Batman Returns" and am not a comic book fan, so I have no idea if this was taken from the comics. They actually named Selina Kyle's boss after the actor who played Count Orlok in "Nosferatu"? I know "Schreck" means "scream" in German (unfortunate for the real-life actor), but come on.
14:50 TBF she did offer the somewhat heroic *"Take My Hand!"* cliche (depending on which version you watched) which by Hollywood logic absolves her of any wrong doing but ehh... Movie got to movie.
So basically this movie is the Godzilla 1998 of superhero movies?? Since they call that movie GINO. Speaking of which, a review of that movie from you would be so AWESOME.
Not exactly "cinematic excrement" in my opinion - but could be quite interesting. It definitely has a lot of material for a review and a look at its production background. Somebody could make a documentary about the movie that is as long as it - or even longer.
I still can't believe he's making himself sit through all the ones he's reviewed again. Two viewings of Fifty Shades Of Grey is three viewings too many.
@@matthewdaley746 You said Wonder Woman 1984 is good which doesn’t hold water because the movie has multiple issues including Cheetah is barely in the damn movie, the rules for the stone gets changed, etc.
Hi, Google Translate sort of bulshitted you, the Greek word for "pie" is pitA, Pitof sounds like a greek-russian hybrid meaning "son of pie", which I don't know about the director, but I would certainly not use as my creative alias :-P
Well according to the costume designer for the Loki series, boob zippers are great if you’re nursing! Except, it was hidden in the Loki costume and still looks stupid in this movie, but that’s the only reason I could think for the existence of boob zippers.
Halle Berry’s Razzie acceptance speech was the best thing to come from this film. Not only was it the most hilarious thing ever but she had a great message about taking criticism even if you don’t want to.
I can't get enough of how specific John Rogers got with that one quote, what with saying Halle's outfit looks specifically like a *Quebecois* stripper.
The fact we never got a Michelle pfeiffer Catwoman movie is a crime!
It comes from "Petit Christophe" (little Christoph) shortened to Pitof. A nickname from school.
eartha kitt did an amazing cat woman.
And she was an amazing woman off screen as well.
To this day, every time I hear her cat growl my knees get all wobbly
@@eamonndeane587 You talking about her role as Yzma in The Emperor's New Groove?
@@erichfiedler1481 That too, but she was also used her fame to help charitable good causes.
Eartha Kitt was one of the most annoying actresses ever. She never stfu.
I have a theory about this movie: that someone wrote a generic script about Patience Phillips becoming a random generic hero, but they realized it wouldn't sell so just slapped the Catwoman name on it to try and sell more tickets.
Yeah that makes sense
Sweet lord, man. That’s more looks at this film than *ANY* human being should have to take.
Truly a brave man!
Thank you
I have to give Halle Berry credit for accepting her own worst actress award, that shows she's willing to laugh at herself.
Too bad the Razzies have lost their way in recent years...
While holding her Best Actress Oscar for Monster's Ball, no less...
I think Halle Berry showing up might've hurt the Razzies more than helped. Hence them nominating Sandra Bullock and then later, Dwayne Johnson, and Jennifer Lawrence hoping they'll show up.
@@JustinCoasters ...huh.
@@JustinCoasters You also got to love how the Razzies view movies that have a polarizing reception. Ghostbusters 2016 gets no nominations for Razzies, yet Darren Aronofsky's mother! gets 2 for the director and J-Law. Sure, both movies are polarizing for different reasons, but how did Ghostbusters 2016 not get nominated? [Sarcasm] Oh, right! The movie got a fresh rating on RT! And as we all know, that prevents your film from getting Razzies thrown at it! [Sarcasm ends] Film Journalists can be as bullshit as Games Journalists sometimes... Heck, considering that the Razzies are willing to smack at movies that got positive reception like with Fahrenheit 9/11, so what was stopping them from give GB2016 any nominations, despite Paul Feig being as up his own ass with that movie?
@@TommyDeonauthsArchives They weren't really getting at Fahrenheit 9/11, just wanted to make lame Bush jokes [a trick they repeated for Trump later] for attention seeking/clickbait as they often do with easy'/widely disliked targets [like Lyndsay Lohan in 'I know who killed me' or Stallone over the years]. Mel Gibson got a nomination for Expendables 3 despite most people saying he was a bright spot in it because he was a disliked celebrity at the time.
If the Razzie's nominated films that are actually the worst films of the year-VOD films or Sci Fi channel original films-no one would care as [unless it's a Bruce Willis snooze fest] no big names appear in them and no one watches them.
I wish that they made that Catwoman spin off in the 1990s with Michelle Pfeiffer returning as the titular antihero.
And to think what Tim Burton could have done with it....
There's a Daniel Waters script online once intended as a possible sequel; better that it wasn't made...it isn't CINO bad, but it's bad.
@@stevenkranowski5141 The Supervoid TH-cam channel briefly went over the story concepts for Tim Burton's Catwoman in this video: th-cam.com/video/Mpo0ZgUhd5g/w-d-xo.html
Who knows? If the Michael Keaton Batman rumor about Flashpoint is true, then maybe, JUST MAYBE, Michelle Pfeiffer could return as Catwoman. I have no evidence on hand to back it up; I just think it sounds cool, and if Spider-Man: No Way Home can pull off bringing in other versions and villains from previous movie series, I can't think of why DC wouldn't try that.
@@louisduarte8763 There was talk of Michelle Pfeiffer returning but for a Batman Beyond film with Keaton but of course that was cancelled.
"Pitof" means "petit Christophe". It's the French equivalent of 'Lil'Chris'.
In Quebec, he would be called a "P'tit criss"
You could say that ‘Everybody Hates Chris.’
You know your movie is bad when Alan Smithee is too good to be used as pseudonym...
@@TommyDeonauthsArchives Hollywood wasn't using that name anymore at the time.
@@gageperuti5519 Ah, brilliant way to ignore and ruin an obvious joke.
I respect the fact that Halle Berry took that Razzie with honor.
@@matthewdaley746 Revenge of the Fallen wasn't as bad as All About Steve.
@@MrChaotic4 All of the Transformers films totally sucked, except, the original.
Too bad her career seems to have taken a nosedive.
@Katy TerBerg After an Oscar, careers are rarely quite the same, unfortunate.
@@matthewdaley746 and Bumblebee 2018.
I remember the conversation around this movie at the time was why female super heroes movies don't work. All the talking heads decided it was because the public was sexist and didn't want to see women in the leads, which is Hollywood's classic excuse anytime they f*** up and make a stupid movie that no one wants to see; "We're not sexist, you're sexist!" Instead of doing some soul-searching and asking themselves, "Why can't we write women well?" Batman stopped the Joker from poisoning all of Gotham, the Penguin from stealing an election AND murdering children, Riddler from stealing everyone's minds, and Mr. Freeze from starting an ice apocalypse. And what's Catwoman's plot? Inferior cosmetics. Aim high girl, aim high.
Remember when Batman fought the Toxic Toiletry Gang? Good times!
"Aftershave is nothing but death... and crime... and the RAGE OF A BEAST!"
To be fair though, Batman did have an issue with Smilex brands sold by Joker.........
You do *NOT* need to see Baby Geniuses 2. You already do so much.
Baio and Voight are in this. Fitting that only uncultured MAGAts would love shit like this.
For those of you who were curious, the movie that Angus Strathie won the Oscar for costume designing for was Moulin Rouge.
That “I’m not a killer” scene fucking reminds me of the Batman collegehumor sketch 😂
“WHAT HAPPENED TO NO GUNS?!”
“This is a gun?!”
Ah, the one with Patton Oswalt Cobblepot.
Batman: _”I have one rule: I do not kill”_
(throws shuriken into bad guy’s face)
To be fair Sean, Pitof was interviewed a few years ago and he agrees with your criticisms of the movie and his directing. His directing in Vidocq is much better (only $20 million), but he was in a comfort zone whereas working with Warner Bros on a $100 million movie was not, and he admitted he was "in over his head."
Here's an interview/tweetstorm by one of the writers:
www.thewrap.com/catwoman-writer-it-was-s-movie-with-zero-cultural-relevance/
The Condiment king is far too good to even Cameo in this.
That must be a joke because he’s a intentional laughable terrible super villain that isn’t meant to be taken seriously.
Not mentioning the Cat Lady played Arthur's mother in Joker?
.....Say what???
No wonder he killed her.
Then again DC Comics management in the early 2000’s was really weird in general. Around the same time they had something fans called the Bat Embargo in which a character from the Batman mythos was only allowed to appear in one piece of media at a time, which is why Robin didn’t show up in the 2004 Batman cartoon until the original Teen Titans was cancelled, and the Timmverse versions of Riddler and Scarecrow were supposed to be on the Legion of Doom in the Justice League cartoon since they were on the original Super Friends’ Legion ,but that idea was shot down because they had each already appeared in the 2004 cartoon and Batman Begins. And why was that? It would apparently confuse kids if they saw the characters appear in different versions….no really that was the reason. Except of course if you think about for more than five seconds you’d realize that somehow Batman himself was fine even though all of the pieces of media I listed are VERY different and do contradict each other. And also the fact that kids are not stupid and can probably tell pieces of media apart.
Maybe that was the reason why they couldn’t have anything from the comics in the Catwoman movie? I have no idea
Update: just remembered that, she did appear in the 2004 cartoon so….probably
Edit: somehow I overlooked some typos, especially weird since my point was that children WEREN’T morons
And then they carried that mindset into the Arrowverse and killed off Arrow's Deadshot just because of the at-the-time-upcoming Suicide Squad movie.
@@OverlyPositiveFanboy huh didn’t know that, thanks for informing me
@@SiRenfield I didn't know about the Bat Embargo either, so thanks for informing me as well.
Also, I think the Arrowverse example of this behaviour was also evident in how Superman barely appeared in the early seasons of Supergirl and how we didn't get any Bat-themed shows until 2019.
Probably the strangest example was with the '97 Justice League made for TV movie.
It was based on a run that didn't have most of the classic Justice League Lineup (of DC's big 3, it only had Batman - and that was only because the head writer of Batman at the time, Denny O'Neil, took pity on the comic and agreed to let Batman be used), yet in the movie, there's no Batman (there is Martian Manhunter, Barry Allen's Flash, and some guy who calls himself Guy Gardner that's more akin to Kyle Rayner) - and this is because, of all things, Batman and Robin was coming out that year.
@@guardianx51that particular run is referred to as the Justice League International, written by the late Keith Giffen (R.I.P.) and J. M. DeMatteis, who you might know from work on Spider-Man like “Kraven’s Last Hunt” and “Maximum Carnage.” Honestly, it’s not a bad idea for a Justice League movie lineup at that time, but at the same time, that run of the book ended and had become Justice League of America again, so it might have been a little too late to have that lineup. What didn’t help was that some of the bigger members like Booster Gold, Blue Beetle, Captain Atom, Black Canary, Mister Miracle, and Maxwell Lord weren’t in the movie. Atom wasn’t on the team, and Flash was on an offshoot team called Justice League Europe. I do actually recommend that run, at least if you’re okay with comedic superhero stories.
Sees a disaster, looks away, looks back - "nope, it's still a disaster".
An episode that was released in the morning? A rarity
"Why would anything need boob zippers?" Breastfeeding? Lactation fetish? A Free the Nipple protest? Teasing during sexy times? Admittedly pretty limited circumstances.
1:31 “killed by defenestration” is a great phrase.
A new Cinematic Excrement that isn't uploaded at 3AM?! What new spore of madness is this?!
I remember in the original review, there was a commenter who wrote that they "really like this movie" and that "only a dumazz [sic] (you) would notice the mistakes" in the movie.
Kinda wondering what happened to that person...
I'd argue that it takes a dumbass to NOT notice the mistakes in the movie.
@@goreycinema Yeah, if I remember correctly, Smeghead's reply was a sarcastic agreement that "it was pretty dumb of me to notice the mistakes," followed by questioning the logic of that statement.
Was it Pitof under an alias?
@@SuperMarkerComicBro hmm 🤔 interesting. Maybe they’ve seen a therapist
Can we all appreciate that Catwoman came out the same year as Spider-Man 2. Which means, 2004 had one of the worst superhero films and one of (if not) the best superhero films (Also, I like Spider-Man 3 and I will FIGHT YOU).
It’s ok to like Spider-Man 3.
@@gracekim1998 I liked it, Spider-Man 2 was just an completely impossible act to follow.
It thought it was good, just way much stuff, however.
Do defend Spider-Man 3. I don't hate the movie, but I was disappointed with it (as is the Director).
I also like Spider-Man 3.
Cat-ass-trophy?
What timing! I watched your Catwoman earlier this week. *jumps into this one*
One of the most fascinating bad Hollywood films ever made.
Indeed.
@@BaranoffIsaac Can’t blame you, it is a dumpster fire.
@@BaranoffIsaac nah, there's something fascinating about complete and utter failure
@@davidminor4213
It was made as a serious super hero movie, and has flaws that weren’t intentional including Catwoman teleports through a damn wall, the asinine she isn’t a killer after killing a character, etc.
White Chick's is my go to favorite guilty pleasure movie. "Hold my poodle" is my favorite quote from the movie......lol
Oh, God, I watched that film so many times when I was in high school; my sense of humor was very stupid. Looking back, I feel like that film still has some gems. "He's right; make 'em bigger." XD
She got around that corner by teleportation.
11:00 Technically Hollywood tired twice if you count her role in Die Another Day.
That razzie speech was the only good thing that came from this film
Didn't they try "Halle Barry Action Star" twice?
The other one being Die Another Day...and they were thinking of spinning off the character into her own movie?
Pitof was a nickname. Short for "petit Christophe" (little Christophe).
Pitof almost directed another film, the unreleased multi-million dollar attempt at a Chinese blockbuster Empires of the Deep. It was finished in 2014, but a trailer screening went bad and many people were unpaid. It's kind of fascinating to read about if you're interested.
The only other 2004 film worse than Catwoman for me was Shadow of Fear, an extremely boring movie starring James Spader. Honestly it should be easy to make a Catwoman movie, just do a heist film in Gotham City with a bunch of Batman villains. Do Heat, The Italian Job or Rififi but with Catwoman
If I read it correctly, Christopher Nolan drew some inspiration from "Heat" for "The Dark Knight".
@@louisduarte8763 that's 100% accurate
And at one point they tried to get Sharon Stone to star in "Empires Of The Dark".
Four directors, ten scriptwriters, forty different drafts for the script, FIVE YEARS of post-production, five and a half years since the planned release date in December 2015. A lot of people who worked on that thing have been waiting to get paid for over a decade now. Let's hope they didn't hold their breaths while waiting. What a total shitshow!
And all that because some über-rich, ultra-corrupt real estate billionaire asshole wanted his own Chinese nationalist propaganda version of a "Lord Of The Rings"-type project. Set down where it's wetter and better, with mermaids and pirates.
At what point Warner Bros thought "Let's give 100 million dollars to an unknown french graphic designer"?
Also, what kind of moron ignores notes from one of the writers (John Rogers) that says "bad, bad, very bad"?
You better give that money to a junior film student.
Another poster said pitof had links to powerful french film execs.It is not a stretch to assume those execs have links to hollywood.
Then again, this is the same Warner Bros who thought merging with AOL for over $164 BILLION was a good idea.
@@Yeen125 And the same company that thought King Arthur Legend of the Sword and PAN were good scripts.
The director of Transporter 3, Colombiana and the Taken sequels must have got his editing and camera work inspiration from this film.
Óliver Megaton.
From one terrible french filmmaker to another.
If I could like this comment, twice I would!
I don't even want to know what Pitof would have done to Batman had there been a sequel to this.
Why would someone have boob zippers?
Nomura: All the ZIPPERS
TBF, didn’t Sharon Stone basically let go and let herself fall when she saw her messed up face?
It was more a suicide.
I wonder what she has to say about the experience of the film production in her recently published memoir.
Not to mention the career suicide she took in 2006. Stay tuned for Cinematic Excrement in August.
@@thecinematicmind I think she just took this for a check and to wait to film Basic Instinct 2. And both movies were trash.
Yeah White Chicks isn’t good, but it did give us Terry Crews singing a thousand miles shaking his head to the violin strings
Venom is basically this movie done better, and that's only because the character actually does manage to resemble the source material.
Even that movie did the pre-superpower post-superpower shutting up noisy neighbor scenes
I actually did see this movie once... on local television... at night... when I couldn’t sleep.
Never seeing it again.
I was hoping you'd show the hilarious video of when Halle Berry first revealed the Catwoman outfit on Oprah and she had to pretend to love it and act like it was female empowerment.
You forgot Pitof directed The Die Another Day video by Madonna.
...joy...
That's not true. Swedish directing team Traktor did it (along with the video for The Prodigy's 2002 single "Baby's Got A Temper").
@@andrewbloom7637 Good, you checked out Wikipedia, so...
I remember they credited this video as directed by Pitof when I watched it Back in the day. Well, blame the dudes Who played on cable tv it in 2002.
Something I barely see get brought up in regards to this movie is how the villain's endgame revolves around cosmetic products. It was silly when the Joker did it in the first Tim Burton Batman movie, too, buy it fit with the style that Burton created. Here it's just... dumb. Anyway, for a good Catwoman movie, I recommend seeking out the eponymous 2011 short which was made as a companion piece to the DCAU's Batman: Year One. Eliza Dushku voices Selina in both. And, of course, if you want more Catwoman material, don't forget to either (re)play Batman: Arkham City and/or (re)watch Batman Returns and The Dark Knight Rises. Regardless of how you feel about the latter, it's far, FAR better than this.
Don't forget Catwoman in the two animated Batman films based on the 60's TV show
Oh yes. Those were pretty neat, too, even if West and Newmar didn't do a very good job of hiding their age.
Quick answer as to if the Razzies ever meant anything: No. They were never meant to mean anything. The problem is that people take them too seriously. I like this project, but it's only proving that point.
I’m pretty sure part of the point is proving just how pointless they really are though
@@SiRenfield That's my whole point. They were never meant to have a point. People just think they do
@@jngr1 I mean, if they keep wanting to get celebrities to be at their award shows they're probably taking it a little seriously
@@seanmiller4170 We need a second "bad awards show" to come around like the Stinkers. The Stinkers disappeared almost 20 years ago for no apparent reason.
@@galeforce3192 I'm just spit-balling names for another joke awards show for bad movies/TV shows/music/books/[insert media here]. How does "The Turdies" sound? Or "The Pukies"?
Man, you're going to be doing "2nd looks" for nearly all of the 2010s film. You've already review Best Picture winners for 2009 (Revenge of the Fallen), 2010 (The Last Airbender), 2011 (Jack and Jill), 2012 (Breaking Dawn, part 2), 2014 (Saving Christmas), 2015 (Fant4stic and 50 Shades of Grey), 2016 (Hilary's America). The only 2010s ones you have left to actually review is 2013 (Movie 43), 2017 (Emoji Movie), 2018 (Holmes & Watson), and Cats (2019).
Don't forget 2020, though I think a clever thing would be doing two batches, one for 2009 to 2012, and another on 2014 to 2016
Second look? Well damn, I guess I will take a second look too.
Oh no.... the next movie is gonna be painful.
You’ve reviewed two movies about cats on this show (the other being The Cat in the Hat). Now all that’s left it Cats (2019).
No Sean, it's not supposed to be Vancouver, Vancouver never plays Vancouver.
@@matthewdaley746 Vancouver plays everywhere, I've seen it be basically every major US city, and a bunch of non-US cities. New York, Chicago, LA, San Francisco, Detroit, Tokyo, Mumbai, fucking Pyongyang. But Vancouver playing Vancouver? Almost never... except when it's playing Vancouver, Washington.
@@TrueMetis Ironically, Vancouver, Washington, is in the southernmost part of Washington.
Including Supernatural, which finally ended, minimum five years too late.
The nickname thing is probably just something silly that stuck. I remember one of my Dads friends was called Pizza. One day i found out it was because he had AWFUL acne as a teen so he got called Pizza Face which then got shortened to Pizza. This man was now over 40 and still reacted normally to the name, it wasnt said as a mean thing or anything anymore, it was just the name people knew him by.
Time for the remix.
(5 points if you get that reference)
I enjoyed that he ended the episode promoting his next review by moving the Dirty Love dvd up so persons can see the dvd, and him saying the words “Next Time.”
Oh God!!! Oh god, oh god, oh Jesus Of Nazareth!!!
I still like this film. Call it guilty pleasure.
Of course I have no idea about the actual comics, so I have no prejudice.
Btw, if that's the Merovingian, this is a version of the Matrix?
Sean, make sure you include Jenny McCarthy's anti-vaxxer stance in your Dirty Love review. That's a goldmine for a lot of jokes.
Especially the “Autism comes from vaccines” bullshit.
@@thecinematicmind what makes it even worse is that she claimed to have CURED her sons autism somehow, in fact there’s a lot of evidence that her son was never autistic but in fact had a different disorder that displays similar symptoms (I forget the name of it though). As someone on the spectrum she can be shot into the sun as far as I’m concerned
you've posted this review on my sister's 30th birthday!
Eagerly anticipating to hear the next CE which is Dirty Love.
Dirty Love.
I looked that one up because I hadn’t heard of it, and dear god it looks painful.
@@kingsford3657 It is painful from my memories of it. Imagine nonstop jokes about body fluids coming from the most ignorant people you can visualize, and you'll at least be in the ballpark.
I remember when this came out, there was actually a video game tie in. Yes, there was a video game based off CINO...... And apparently it was just as bad as the movie, with one game magazine actually saying that it might be WORSE than the actual movie.
DLJadow did a great review of the game (GameCube version). It is worse than the movie.
i like how Warner Bros couldn't get Jean-Pierre Jeunet or Marc Caro to direct this movie (if they did, it would've been messy, but it would've been oh-so-gloriously fun), so instead they got their visual effects supervisor.
I laughed out loud after I read The movie reviewed in this video is a CAT-astrophe.
One of the best things to come out of this movie is Mick LaSalle's absolutely glowing review of it.
For the record Groot's 1st publication was in Tales to Astonish #13...November 1960... your talking tree was in Marvel comics since before you or I was born. Rocket Raccoon? 1976...the MCU didn't just dream up these characters yesterday.
I swear In the scene that explains the side effects of the skin cream you can actually see the outline where they cut out the green screen around the actor. It could just be the lighting but I´m confident it isn´t.
I don't think Selina really died in the beginning of Returns. If you remember, she crashed through about four awnings that cushioned her fall and knocked her unconscious. The cats crawling around and biting her woke her up, but, in a sense, she was resurrected.
That’s very freakin unbelievable that she didn’t die in Batman Returns because she was pushed out of a skyscraper, and landed fast on the hard ground.
@@jasoncase9481 Dude, I just said that crashing through all those awnings cushioned her fall.
@@Hewylewis
The four awnings still didn’t reduce the speed she was moving that much.
@@jasoncase9481 Dude, it's a comic book movie. Suspension of disbelief.
@@Hewylewis
I’m wrong because the 4 awnings decreased the impact of her fall.
Suspension of disbelief has a limit which is why a comic book movie or any other genre can be criticized for unbelievable flaws.
Your indeed a brave man I saw cat woman once and I still recovering from the trauma of it
Your Razzie reviews are fab !
I remember seeing a pic of Berry as 'Catwoman' in a newspaper and thinking it was related to the upcoming Batman reboot aka Batman Begins. In fairness I was a kid at the time. Of course they were two separate projects and couldn't have been more different in tone and quality...
18:20 Given the Razzie's have taken back some awards and nominations due to backlash [Bruce Willis, Shelly Duval, Ryan Kira Armstrong] maybe they can get rid of some of there other nonsense like Britney, Jake Lloyd etc. while there at it.
I saw CINO once years ago and I barely remember any of it, thankfully.
I'll bet they picked Britney Spears for Worst Supporting Actress cause they couldn't pick her cause they picked Madonna for 2002's Swept Away when Crossroads came out.
My man...you get some serious points for using "defenestration" in reference to anything OTHER than effing GOT.
What to watch when you had a shitty week and your front tires blow out and your surgery wound opens?
*Shaun upload*
Yup!
Halle Berry does have a cracking pair of norks, though
I knew it would be bad when the costume was 'leaked' to the media and people thought it was fake.
@Cinematic Excrement To answer your question whether or not to it could have been better with Michelle Pfeifer, Yes, Yes it would have. But, here's how it would have worked with either her or Halle Berry.
1. Set it in Gotham and incorporate natural references to the Batman mythos.
2. Instead of the two clowns being the villains, it's painfully obvious that at some point someone in the writing process wanted a Batman villain to be in this film. Who in question: Black Mask.
Think about it, Black Mask is the head of a cosmetics company called Janis Cosmetics, he is obsessed with masks and faces and the symbolism both represent, he's the head of a crime syndicate called the False Face Society and he uses medieval torture methods on his victims. Although that last part may have made the movie R rated.
I also say Black Mask as he was written in the comics would have made the film a little better, since he does have a history with Catwoman. The Gotham City Sirens storyline comes to mind.
If they wanted to have the "commentary " around beauty and appearances they could have used Black Mask for that or just make an original super heroine film using that as a satire.
I never caught this, because I only saw a couple of clips of "Batman Returns" and am not a comic book fan, so I have no idea if this was taken from the comics. They actually named Selina Kyle's boss after the actor who played Count Orlok in "Nosferatu"? I know "Schreck" means "scream" in German (unfortunate for the real-life actor), but come on.
Pitov is a Macedonian surname. V's at the end of words are pronounced like F's in most Slavic languages.
Super Baby Geniuses 2 is so much worse than the first one. Trust me, it's a different breed
14:50 TBF she did offer the somewhat heroic *"Take My Hand!"* cliche (depending on which version you watched) which by Hollywood logic absolves her of any wrong doing but ehh... Movie got to movie.
Wait condiment king?
Maybe have seen in 2021
Love your content. Please make a series for just reviewing bad movies or razzie nominees. You didn’t get the idea from me 😊
Once he hits the 2010's he's basically done. He already reviewed the films from 2010-17. But it might be nice to get a second look regardless.
CINO as SINO? Would it not be pronounced Kee-NOH? She’s Catwoman not Satwoman. Lol
I admittedly don't know the rules about made up, acrostic words but my first instinct would be to pronounce the c like an s, too...
@@anikmonette2140 Fair, it truly doesn’t matter AT ALL but it stuck in my brain as I watched. lol
C next to an I is usually a soft c like circle, city or cinema.
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So basically this movie is the Godzilla 1998 of superhero movies?? Since they call that movie GINO.
Speaking of which, a review of that movie from you would be so AWESOME.
Are you going to review ‘Alexander’ (& all its’ versions) when you finish with the Razzie wins?
Pretty please?
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Not exactly "cinematic excrement" in my opinion - but could be quite interesting. It definitely has a lot of material for a review and a look at its production background. Somebody could make a documentary about the movie that is as long as it - or even longer.
@@henrygvidonas9573
No- I just think Sean would have some interesting thoughts about it...
This movie is my guilty pleasure
I still can't believe he's making himself sit through all the ones he's reviewed again. Two viewings of Fifty Shades Of Grey is three viewings too many.
I can because he’s reviewing all razzie winners for worst picture.
Part of me really wishes we could have seen what Tim Burton's Catwoman movie would have been like.
All I can say is thank god for Wonder Woman
Wonder Woman 1984 was good, though, I understand separate opinions.
@@matthewdaley746
No it really wasn’t.
That sequel was another Spider Man 3.
@@jasoncase9481 Like I already said earlier, you're entitled to your opinion.
@@matthewdaley746
You said Wonder Woman 1984 is good which doesn’t hold water because the movie has multiple issues including Cheetah is barely in the damn movie, the rules for the stone gets changed, etc.
@@jasoncase9481 I meant I thought it was good, sorry you disagreed.
Hi, Google Translate sort of bulshitted you, the Greek word for "pie" is pitA, Pitof sounds like a greek-russian hybrid meaning "son of pie", which I don't know about the director, but I would certainly not use as my creative alias :-P
I just noticed the lady on the skin cream monitor showing the bad side effects on her face is the lovely Missy Peregrym.
John Rogers is an amazing comic book writer. Just throwing that out there.
Well according to the costume designer for the Loki series, boob zippers are great if you’re nursing! Except, it was hidden in the Loki costume and still looks stupid in this movie, but that’s the only reason I could think for the existence of boob zippers.
i liked his old review for Catwoman
Catwoman is a consistent entertaining embarrassment.
Oh boy, this is good.