I have ridden both bikes recently. I was able to take them for about 2.5 hours each. I can say without a shadow of a doubt the Moto Guzzi just has more soul. The BMW does just about everything perfectly, but the Guzzi just delivers the passion better. Riding the Mondello in red and having the world just give me a massive thumbs up wherever I stopped says everything. Similar but the Gizzi made me feel like I did when I first got on my old Suzuki GS500F as my first bike. The thrill, the grin on my face would not go away. Love them both, but I ride for more than just the ride. I want to ride again for the spirit of riding. Moto Guzzi for me.
A very fair comparison (as always), but for me BMWs hold little appeal. I find them sterile. I chose the Guzzi and picked it up last week. A soul-stirring beauty of a mistress. In red it has the look of a futuristic LeMans. The dealership I bought it from were offering the £950 panniers for free too (take that, price comparison!) Still in the honeymoon period, but I absolutely love it so far.
@@MandelloUK 'Fast enough' is very subjective. Some people like the thrashability of a 4 cylinder, but for me I love the instant grunt of a big torquey twin. It is very quick off the mark and changes direction just by thinking about it. It's supremely confident in corners and in real world road usage you would not get left behind by bikes with 50 or 60hp more. Remember that most hypersports bikes will never let you access all that horsepower as the electronics will kick in to save you from your own enthusiasm. Depending on your personal skill level, the only place you might possibly be left wanting is on a track day, and only then if you were insanely competitive. The engine is tight to begin with, but by the time it's run in (900 miles or 1500km) it really starts to spin up. I've had much faster (on paper) bikes before, but unless you're maxing out in a straight line, you'll keep up with absolutely anything. Hope you can get a good long test ride to see for yourself. So to answer your question - it's more than fast enough!
@@MandelloUK Perfect so far, They were really helpful in showing me different companies that make accessories like longer mudguards (they're ALWAYS too short nowadays), radiator guards, paddock stands, and other bolt-on goodies. They got me booked in for the first service quickly - a lot of dealers are booked up weeks in advance. I haven't had any problems with the bike though, and that is when you really find out who the good dealers are.
I'm with on that. Jay Leno once looked at a Royal Enfield and said....wow, it still looks like a motorcycle and not some out of space plastic appliance. Something like that...to that effect, I can't recall his exact words.
I own a new 1250GS and I absolutely love the shift cam engine. That said, I can’t take my eyes off the Guzzi, I think it is hands down one of the most gorgeous bikes I’ve ever seen. I also own a 1983 Guzzi V65SP so I’m a little predisposed to loving the look and personality of these bikes. I would without hesitation dig into my pockets for the new Mandello and sleep next to it in my garage.
Suggestion: Get the GS tuned. They leave so much on the table. I had mine done (R1250RS) by Brentune and it literally goes from 136hp to 155. It really boogies and has so much more punch. I would absolutely pull away HARD from my wife's untuned R1250GS, and with me and my RS, I'm a little heavier.
With respect to the Guzzi dealer shortage: True enough, but the available-for-free online shop manuals are extensive, most good independent motorcycle mechanics can do the work, the dealers that exist are really responsive in my experience to helping find and ship you the stuff you need, the service protocols are simple (eg thread and locknut valve lash adjuster sticking up at waist height), and the things are under-tuned and over-built and that is a very good thing. So…. add in a really good owners club that is a bunch of gear heads that will respond to questions etc … its a viable bike even without the extensive shops. Especially if you are a little DIY oriented and especially also with later models. The older classics are well supported considering, but ownership epochs in the company have made some older years of production into a bit of a specialty custom process. They’ll still go on and on but its a different kind of “exotic machines” thing sometimes with the stuff they need. Remember, for example, those old californias were police patrol bikes and were tanks. The last generation of Californias at 1400s, although not running in police departments, totally had that old fleet bike build and ride philosophy anyway. So.. it would be nice to have a better dealer network, but its manageable in the USA to own one as a seriously used rider.
Having tried both I'd say: go for the BMW if you are a tall person and want to comfortably accomodate you and a tall(iysch) passenger on a tour. go for the Guzzi if you want an intense riding experience on a sporty bike and you can do without the 143NM of torque of the BMW. Both are great bikes!
I now own a Moto Guzzi V100S Mandello and I love it. It’s not a long distance touring bike, but it’s a great bike to go on a 200 250 mile day ride. It does have a lot of soul. It’s also been very reliable after 3,500 miles.
I have a BMW R1250 - so my purchase bias. You have stated the BMW is a lot stronger in the engine. But, rating the engine lower then the Mandello, because of exhaust noise, seems ridiculous to me. I bought my BMW for engine performance, handling, brakes and comfort. So, that's what I would rate these bikes on. For styling, I really like the way the Mandello looks. It's a lot nicer than the BMW (or almost anything else).
Agreed. Torque matters. With an aftermarket can, high flow air filter and a simple stage 1 Brenn tune I'm making over 150 HP and 114 ft-lbs of torque. Even stock, my RS would stomp on a V100's balls. The V100's "vibey character" is irrelevant here.
Having owned both a Moto Guzzi 1200 sport and a BMW R9t what Moto Bob says does make sense. The R9t was quicker but 0:03 the Guzzi had a V twin feel and sounded fantastic. I rated the Guzzi engine higher than the BMW (even though the BMW was a better bike overall)
@@Pyrrho_ I came here to say the same. Brentune did my R1250RS, and I would walk away HARD from my wife's untuned R1250GS. I was also at the time like 90lbs heavier than her.
@@maxmorgan4453 entirely different engine in the R NineT, it's down 30hp and doesn't pull hard up top like the Shiftcam 1250. I have both, and the old boxer has character, but that's about all it has on the new engines.
@@caferacerqu33n The Guzzi engine is new too and has considerably more power being liquid cooled. I think that the comparison between the boxer and transverse V twin is still valid even though both engines have been updated. It is not unreasonable for somebody to say they prefer the V twin over the boxer, but if you prefer the boxer that is OK too!
Had a r100rs from 79' , that was a fantastic strong good bike. Very modern in comfort and power was perfect. great review Bob . Greatings from Belgium.
As a life long bmw rider and fan I would probably pick the Guzzi between these two. Between an RT or the Guzzi it would be a harder choice as I do like to tour ... Can't wait to test the Guzzi!
You will never go into a BMW dealership and see a basic R1250RS on the showroom floor at £13,140 and definitely not an SE at £15,135! The dealers will have already put various packs on. The actual purchase costs on the Guzzi are far more transparent.
The "packs" as you call them are installed at the factory when the bike is ordered (either by the dealer or a customer), not the dealer. Last summer there was a multi-month period where you couldn't find a premium trim-level RS anywhere, even used.
@@blueyondermoto A cash grab, as I call them.. BMW is famous for this nonsense. Want heated grips and a centerstand?, that 'Pack' will be an additional $2000, because it includes hard luggage and racks. What a crock of you know what!
Having test rode both, the BMW was far less fun. It's objectively a more performant bike, with plenty of kit for the pricepoints. But the V100 had bags of character, with more than enough punch for a good sesh.
As a justifiable indicator of desirability, I agree “character” is in the mix. What I don’t know is how to make that subjective judgment a tad more sophisticated - and, agreed upon. Heck, we’ve done it for wine, why not engines and bikes?
@@Pyrrho_ Not sure if something can be more or less subjective; isn’t something either subjective or not subjective? Debating the character of wine (Scotch, craft beer) is subjective but a sophisticated vocabulary allows it to be debated and understood by others. While I know the character of my bikes are different, I don’t have the vocabulary to have a refined discussion about those differences. One goes “chugga-chugga” and the other goes “buzzy-buzzy” may distinguish between a Fat Bob and a K1600, but I doubt that tells much to anyone who hasn’t ridden those bikes. Anyway, just shooting the shit. I think my point is we often talk of character, but maybe don’t really know much about it?
@@UncleWally3 What one person would define as character, another would find as annoyance. Every bike has character by definition but we may not all like it.
Objectively my 1250RS is the best bike I've ever owned. Fine chassis, stump-pulling torque, ultra smooth for a big twin, loads of useful tech, reasonable pillion accommodation. But... I don't like it as much as the lumpier, lower tech, less practical R1200S I had before. I've come to the conclusion that the RS is so accomplished it's a bit, well, boring. Boring but brilliant.
I look forward to seeing other Guzzi models with this new engine. The air cooled bikes will be phased out over emission demands. The air cooled 4 valve 1200 / 1400 engines that were in the Griso, Stelvio, Norge, Audace, Eldorado, and California were axed over not being emission friendly. Heard a rumour of another Stelvio coming along with the new engine.
There is just something about Moto Guzzi machines and riding them that is very compelling. Not on the specs sometimes, but there when you see or ride one. Any of them, really. BMW used to really do it for me (I’m 70 now, its been a fairly long relationship starting with /2’s). But sad to say the new ones just do not do it like they used to. The R1250RS with short risers and bags is my favorite BMW by far now. But I won’t have a BMW now as Moto Guzzis are my favorite motorcycles now. A bit different, and all for the best IMO.
Tested the Guzzi today. Rode though central Paris, and 30 minutes of motorway. I really enjoyed it far more than I expected to. I don't usually love motorway riding but this bike filt so comfortable and wind protection was excellent, making it not a chore at all. Though town, filtering was fine, although it would probably give off a lot of heat in summer. I'm even considering trading in my Livewire One for this bike!
My heart says Guzzi, my ego says BMW (I own both an old Guzzi and a BMW) but because of the styling and the uniqueness of the brand, it is Guzzi forever. 8 am looking forward to seeing the Stelvio version coming soon (EICMA 2023).
@@giovanniricci2869 agreed. The power gap is massive between the two. I've geniunely done north of 150 WITH CASES ON on my prior Brentuned R1250RS. Guzzi will run out of steam 20mph earlier.
@@caferacerqu33n I’ll come across a motorcycle magazine (In Sella, yes I know it’s italian but if you follow the italian motorcycle scene, you’ll soon understand that they are the first to put down their own products in favour of the superior german ones, on top of it for most Italians there’s only one real motorcycle brand, Ducati, never mind it’s owned by german car manufacturer Audi) and they tested both, also on the Dyno and while the RS makes 109hp at the wheel, the V100 is not far behind (105hp). In the acceleration tests the V100 dominated although they were very close, within a second (0-400m, 0-100m, 0-100kmh, 400m roll-on in 6th gear for 400m, the only one where the RS was slightly quicker by 0,4 seconds). On the other hand the RS was way more fuel efficient
Bought a V100S and just love it after 9000km. Much longercservice intervals than the BMW. Have ridden my friends R1250R and like it too. Bit smoother than the Guzzi but Guzzi has more character. V100S handles better, looks and sounds better. I'm very tall and kept banging right shin into BMW cylinder head.Can't go wrong with either one.
You rank each bike against 6 features and then add them up in a binary way 1 versus 0 so they score 3 each. The reality of choosing a motorcycle is that not all the factors are equal and factors weight differently for each rider/potential purchaser and some factors are not relevant for some riders (1 am 6'1" so the availability of a low seat is of no interest to me, I am also a Luddite so lots of high tech stuff is in fact a negative a) because I am paying for something I will not use and b) because it will go wrong and it will be expensive to fix. I suspect that somewhere there is a ranking of factors which buyers consider that would enable you to rank those factors and weight them. For me it would be performance, handling, looks and price in that order with other factors such as features (heated grips, quick shifter etc) option availability, warranty duration weighted lower The cost of ownership is also rarely mentioned in reviews such as this. Can I suggest a standard 10000 or 20000 mile cost i.e. number of services at standard manufacturer dealer rates plus the cost of stuff that gets consumed (chains and sprockets vs shaft drive) plus a comparison of parts prices broken in normal use e.g. I x front brake lever + 1 x mirror + 1 x footrest. More work for you but a more informed review that would differentiate you as a reviewer
The Guzzi wins for me. Your summation was perfect and exactly described my needs - a great weekend sporty road bike that can handle a bit of touring. I've just ordered a V100S in the green grey with gold wheels.
The video i was waiting, finally this comparison :D I do not agree with the bmw wining in the price, if we add all the extra (and the visual ones you spoke before) it will pass by alot the v100 S.
The same comparison came to mind as soon as I tested Mandello. My neighbour has an RS with the typical 3 packs and in our area it is only about 600 euros more expensive than the Mandello S. Although I like the sound of the Mandello engine, especially the sizzle when the engine brakes - I would prefer the power, torque and usability of the boxer in the RS. But if the Mandello S were a bit cheaper, I'd probably be very hesitant.
That moto guzzi is way better looking. I may be shallow but that is a big selling point for me. I have a z900 and thought about the GSXS-1000 but it wasn’t as pretty even if the stats are better all the way around.
I went for the Guzzi, but I haven’t even tried the BMW... Aldo I should have done it, because since then I have some doubt.... but thanks to your video, I think I have made the right choice for me. Thanks 👍
Hey MotoBob ! , I’ve owned a Guzzi, loved it, the V100 I bet is a terrific bike, Love the looks of it, Guzzi motors are unique. So glad Guzzi made this, they needed to do something new. But there are several reasons I believe the BMW is better in my opinion. I enjoy your channel ! Thanks
Both are great, no question. If I would pick the BMW, I would rather go for the R1250R, only because of the riding position. Otherwise I like Guzzis to. Test rode both bikes. Cheers. Nice video.
I'm not sure 'better' is the right word. The RS is the closest competitor, but it's a different machine and doesn't have the same charisma. People who buy Guzzis are buying into that feel.
I'd take the Beemer due to the fact that the Guzzi is a brand new platform and there's always hiccups with new platforms. Especially with Italian manufactures. Maybe after a few years once the kinks have been ironed out.
Especially in the US, BMW wins on dealer network. Good luck finding a Guzzi dealer. I own a 2020 RS and have only had a chance to sit on the V100, but I found the BMW to be better finished/higher quality. Also, the shiftcam boxer is a great, great engine.
Have a '20 RS as well. No Guzzi dealers near me either, which means no way in hell I'm buying a bike with a brand new engine design with no dealers near me.
Just turned 6000km with my standard Mandello. No issues at all til now, suits me perfectly for daily use, powerful and enjoyable bike really. Beginning of a long companionship so it seems! You just have to get used to Guzzi idiosyncrasies like the gear-box (takes a little while to smoothen up but it does in the end) and the crankshaft, which is one of the reasons for which I chose the bike but requires proper handling (get the shifter if you don't know how to blip when downshifting).
Moto Guzzi, no question. Touring from UK to Corfu and back. Brilliant bike , it has character. Sorry too many BMW,s about. They do the job but too common. Loving the MG
Really enjoying your channel. I have a question. Why don't any of the reviewers ever talk about reliability? It's in my top three concerns when buying a new bike. Yet no one ever talks about the reliability of the different brands.
@@caferacerqu33n Have a Guzzi dealer where I live in Arizona. They have 3 in stock, red & white, 1 S green. The red & white have been sitting 6+ months. They are also Ducati, Aprilla, etc. They charge $240 USD an hour for maintenance. They want $2,100 to do annual & valves on my Ducati ST2. Was $600-$800 a few years ago. I do all my own maintenance. Not paying for some dealership kiddie to screw things up. Certainly not at $240 an hour. The Mandelo has an alternator belt that needs to be replaced at 15k miles. Older versions are a pita. Have no idea if it is easier on the v100. BMW dealer is $120 per hour. They will do my Ducati, but want $1,100. The BMW service is 2 hours valves, then fluids. 4 hours tops. From a maintenance point of view the BMW is the way to go. Though I am close to getting the Motoguzzi! It is a beautiful bike in person. Want the S version but in white. Italian bikes seem to put my preferred colors on the lower end bikes!
@@caferacerqu33n Most of the people I know that have owned a BMW have had to spend a lot of time in the dealership with their bikes. My friend's GS spent more time in the dealerships garage than his. After two years he gave up and part-exchanged it for a Suzuki and took the hit. That's why the second-hand bike market is flooded with BMW's
I bought the base red Guzzi for primarily three reasons. A great year end price, I love the motor/styling and much of the Beemer tech does not really interest me. I just put the Guzzi in the garage yesterday. Hopefully, the weather will soon cooperate.
I test rode both of these (videos on my channel). They're both excellent 👌 but neither could convince me to part with my Kawasaki Z1000SX / Ninja 1000SX. But if I had to choose between these, I'd have to go with the Guzzi on looks alone. On the road they perform very similar and you can't really use the extra power.
I have to check your channel then. I own a Ninja 1000sx which I love but hitting soon 62 years I’m afraid that when I change bike, 2024 or 2025 (the Ninja will have clocked 50 000+) by then, I’ll go still for a sports tourer but with more relaxed ergonomics. My question to you as you have experience with the bikes at hand: how did you find the ergonomics of the Mandello compared to the Ninja? What about the difference in power for roughly the same weight? Very noticeable? Regards
@@carlosalonso9866 I didn't notice a huge difference in ergonomics between the Guzzi and my Z1000SX. The BMW is a little more leaning forward for the grips, at least for me. And the difference in power will be hard to notice for normal road riding as almost nobody uses the full power in any bike (throttle fully open at the max power revs!) I'd strongly encourage anyone to get their own test ride because so much of what we like about bikes is subjective. Thanks for checking out the channel 👍
I am a serial Guzzi owner. I've had 7 or 8, and still have one now, but after previous bad experience of their customer service & warranty claims I've just spent my money on a BMW who have a better dealer network & warranty with roadside breakdown cover even on used bikes.
I’ve had a BMW S1000RR since new (bought it when it first came out in 2010 in N America). I’ve actually done a lot of touring on the RR and besides a few teething problems within the first year, all dealt with under warranty, the RR has been reliable. I will never sell the RR because it’s now part of my “family”, but I now need a more comfortable bike for touring, and I think I will go with the new Stelvio when it comes out. Could go for a beemer adventure bike, but the MG is so appealing.
Nice video! If I can find a deal on a Guzzi, I will put one in my garage. I have a Anniversary 750 that I have been putting too many miles on that is so much fun to ride
the mandello kind of reminds of a family hatchback, but there's something classy in there that i really like 😆 im not sure id want one till im in my 50s though
Im 31 and own a Suzuki GSX-S1000 '22. My dad just bought a Moto Guzzi V7 special, which only has like 60hp. Its way more fun to ride than it has any right to! The engine sound and character is something special.
This exact white Guzzi is currently on sale for €13k OTD. While BMW R 1250 RS at the same dealership is €19k. Maybe it has more equipment I am not sure, but still they are €6k difference. Not sure why, but all Italians and KTM are priced well. For example Tuono 660 for €9k, RS 660 for €10k, KTM Duke 890 GP for €10k (on sale), KTM Adventure 790 for €10k... Also Japanese are overpriced. For example MT07 is €9.3k...
@@chrishart8548 It could have been fully loaded. The Guzzi Mandello V100 S version is €15k, still a lot cheaper. The question is which will hold it's resale value better?
@keepitsimple8880 some bmw bikes hold value really well. The ones that don't are the roadsters. Like the f800r r1200r. The GS bikes hold value well and I believe the Rnine-t also does. The rs is a bit of a middle ground. I still say the V100 styling looks a little like an sports adventure. That's no bad thing. Need to see one really they do look very nice,
@@chrishart8548 Thank you for the profound answer. Btw I've seen V100 in person and the quality finish is top notch, up there with BMW, Triumph, Ducati
I owned a 1972 MG 750 Ambassador that I rode XC to California - I loved it - looks, sound, comfort - but it was used when I bot it and it did have some mechanical issues. I also owned - for 40 years - a 1983 BMW R65. I bot it brand new and I loved it - commuted to work in NYC on it, took it to Canada and Key West and spent summers in the Hamptons with it - reliable and it looked great - so I'd have to say they were both great bikes - and so different that it is hard to compare - if I were still riding and could house both, I would keep both - but if I could have only one, I'd pick the BMW
I weigh engine, handling, and price heavily. Heavy weighting also goes to a category where MotoBob dares not tread: reliability, an area where BMW seems to be coasting on a 40 year old reputation with disappointing more recent results, so no advantage to the BMW here. I give lower weighting to comfort, tech, and styling. So Mandello it is for me.
Tried both. Really wanted to like the Guzzi - but it just did not work properly for me in the corners. Engine was lovely, and it was a very nice looking bike. I now own the RS...I prefer that handling and as the review say - the comfort is just fantastic. 1000 km days are quite easy if need be...
I have had 4 Guzzi’s and am currently on my 4th BMW (R1250R) Guzzi back up and very few dealers do create a problem so am quite content to stick with BMW
R1250RS owner. It has been rock stable for just over three years of ownership. I prefer the looks of the RS, but the v100 is great looking (until you add the horrific factory bags). I do spend a decent amount of time on interstates to get to Western North Carolina roads, so I appreciate the comfort of the BMW. The RS isn't bad in the mountains, but I would pick something different if I lived where I like to ride. It probably wouldn't be the Guzzi, though, because there are better options for mountain roads and because of the very small dealer network in the US. It is daunting to think about repairing an Italian bike when the closest dealer is 100's of miles away.
One issue not addressed: Dealer/service support networks. Here in the U.S., I can ride my R1200RS from coast to coast, and if anything comes up, (from a mechanical issue to a simple service) I can find a BMW dealership FAR easier than a certified MG dealer. It simply matters from a practicality standpoint, and tangential to my point, this matter/issue is why MV Augusta sales lag so badly here in States...little-to-no support network.
To be honest I am a '23 RS owner but I honestly don't understand all the comments sticking the bike with "lack of soul" or "sterile"... It's a wonderful machine that will make you fall in love with the torque and take you, your pillion, and full pannier set on 500 mile B-road day without breaking you and at ~5l/100km. It loves long sweepers you can take with serious lean due to its stability. It's a bona-fide sports-tourer - be it at a high price. That is without any fault towards the Guzzi. Edit: just heard the closing comment 8:57 - if you need a 'weekend sporty bike' without much touring there are far superior machines out there than these two...
Trouble is 'tour' to me doesn't mean bimbling about for 2 weekson an overloaded bike. For me it's planning a 2 week route with the best roads possible, not taking the kitchen sink and the actual 'tour' resembles 14 x Sunday rides with like-minded mates. And, you don't need a fully-dressed tourer or humungous adventure bike. You just need your bike of choice.
I have a R1250RS and love it. Best bike I've ever owned. That said the Guzzi has the charm. I'd own both in a flash if I could. If I were forced to choose, it would be the BMW, simply because of it's proven reliability and quality tech. The flat sound of a boxer compared to the magic sound of a 90deg V gives me pause for thought though. It's a head or a heart choice, but it's BMW for me.
One important factor. Mandello fits shorter statue people better and BMW a bit larger as pointed out 4:30 . I'm 170 and mandello firs like a glove. So riders with long arms and legs can feel cramped up on the Guzzi. I would pick the Guzzi. Stock engine sound is sweet. Engine and gearbox are smooth and the Mandello have alot more character then BMW.
Strange. I'm a short-arse but manage my 1250RS with a std seat. I sat on a Mandello recently and struggled with the seat height. In reality it's more of a stretch from arse to ground - perhaps it's the shape of the seat? Waiting to try the Guzzi with a low seat. Hope it's better than the Beemer with a low seat - the ergos felt all wrong on that.
I came so close to buying a Guzzi, but a trusted mechanic suggested I do one simple test: Go to the dealership and ask for a few parts that can, and do, malfunction: IE a stator, fork seals and transmission shift-forks. I didn’t have to ask for anything beyond the stator to know sourcing OEM parts were going to be a big challenge. And I know, parts for anything post-Covid is frustrating, but that’s only amplified by the size and experience of the manufacturer.
As a 6'4' rider that lives in the US midwest, the Guzzi is both too small and lacks anything close to the sort of dealer network I'd want for a new engine design on an Italian bike. Plus, I already have a R1250RS so I've made my (obviously superior) choice. :) Torque matters.
I'm with you 100%. Having owned NINE BMW Boxer Twins (currently own four, R1250GS Rallye, R1250RT-Police, R NineT Racer, R NineT Classic) my R1250RS was the best one by a mile. I only sold it because I moved to a region where I wasn't doing any "touring" anymore and my wife wanted to order a new cop bike, and I sold mine.
That MG looks amazing but I’d have to take BMW because it’d be more comfortable for me and I’ve always wanted a boxer. I’d be so happy either (if I had the money). They both have style, character, torque and stability. My kind of bike.
Always interesting these reviews. Mostly it's down to the individual tastes. For me, I prefer the sound of the BMW Boxer engine, the added performance, the looks of the RS I prefer, the tech is much better and it's more comfortable and likely more reliable. But it's a superb offering from Moto Guzzi and if you want to break away from the crowd, it's the perfect option. I went for an RS over the GS partly because it's much less common, but also becuase I wanted a Sports Tourer rather than an adventure bike when I'm not planning to go off road. But the Moto Guzzi offers a worthwhile alternative. I just don't like the looks as much as the RS and think the Gold wheels and engine head covers don't work that well with the silver engine block etc. But as always, styling is each to their own and well done Moto Guzzi for offering a superb alternative...
Have a 2023 BMW R1250RS Sport and a 2022my Triumph Street Triple RS as well. The Moto Guzzi is a very stilish bike. Only issue with niche brands in certain markets is the value you get for it when you want to change for a new bike. The BMW is far easier to resell and retains more trade value over time. In portugal, where I live, that is the case. Have toured 4000km in europe in Aug with the R1250RS and it is a very good motorcycle indeed. For excitment, I ride my Triumph, which is as close to the best one can have, price, performance, looks and quality wise on a Sport naked.
My 2021 RS has done 60kkm, new with full options costed 21k now 3 years old I can't get 14k. Won't mention expensive services. I think 14k Guzzi will be still wortk 7k after 3 years. Only if try will know. I may change for a guzzi next season.
Riding a Multi V2S after three GSs I’d err towards the Guzzi, it’s the riding experience but the boxer engine is very capable in all its platforms. These are the two bikes I’m comparing next time as I think they suit the sub 6’ rider.
IMO the Guzzi is the better choice and wins , the fact that both bikes are really fun weekend Rides , if your going for long touring these days you would opt for an Adventure for Comfort
Now, let me try to understand this. The BMW, with conciderably more horsepower, torque and Shiftcam tech out performs the Guzzi at low rpm's mid range and high rpm's. Not mentioned is it is very likely the smoothest running large displacement twin ever made, but you rank the Guzzi engine higher because you prefer the sound it makes. Am I missing something?
I've been biking for 40 years and have had a few Moto Guzzis. They look and sound great. That's a big deal. However, mine often wouldn't start in the rain and were taken away on low loaders for repair too often. I hope they are more reliable now. Anyway for the last six years I have ridden BMWs and they just work. Every time. Reliable, capable tourers. I'll stick with them for now.
Great video. Honestly not sure which one I would pick, I’m leaning BMW because it has a lot more HP but that said I think the Guzzi looks and sounds better. Would have to ride them back to back to decide.
Made arrangements to test ride both next week and will be making my choice soon after. That being said, I rode the R1250R (naked) a few months back and found the ride rather boring. I'm a fan of character in my bikes and the BMW, while very precise and well built, just didn't stir my soul, we'll see if the Guzzi does.
The R1250R... over both (properly flickable) but agree that the Guzzi does sound the best. But the overall performance (nothing matches it below 7k rpm for torque except the 1390 superduke) and everyday liveability of the beemer wins out... plus it looks angrier. When I got the 1250r sport.. i was seriously considering a v2, v4 streetfighter, tuono, katana and superduke (having been a KTM man for over the last decade).. the beemer won out in everything except the engine note (and the Superdukes top end). As I commute and scratch on the weekends... it is the best do it all bike (and no chain maintenance).
The all-new V100 motor is only 5hp up from their 8V oil-cooled motor. I would think the team that created the Aprilia V4 could have done a little better. I would love to see some real world performance numbers on the two bikes, 0-30, 60, 100mph, 1/4 mile, and a complete torque and power curve. Maybe the peak number doesn't tell the whole story.
I really like my 2020 RS. I am always drawn to what other bikes might offer (like a dog wanting to chase the new ball). I just keep coming back to mine and other than the fact it is expensive to maintain (I have to wonder about the Guzzi, particularly after warranty expires), I can afford it. The RS needs valves checked at 12k miles and with inflation, new tires and service every 6k miles adds up. I have never had any reliability issues with any of the several BMW’s I have owned. Lots of people like the S1000XR (I have owned two S1000R’s and they were so fast), but I found the seating position not to my liking. I sat on a Tracer 9 - an option for this old geezer to downsize, as it is 50lbs lighter and I think I could get used to it. Interesting the salesman at the dealer noted that the RS is so well-balanced that the extra weight should not matter than much. I always appreciate a dealer who is not just trying to push their product. I just put on a set of Road 5’s and they were $650!!!. The 6k service was $575 and I put in a new battery (prophylactically, as it was four years old). I know one can go outside the dealer for some work. I guess while I am at it, I should check out other Italian bikes like the Guzzi, MV Augusta et al.
My new GSA 1250 got stolen , I had it for 3 months did a Euro tour. Supreme comfort. Now only two V100S or 1300GS on purchase radar. I know BMW will be better on comfort , power and reliability but I am drawn to V100S. 13/14k new to 18k + farkling another 2 k for BMW GS1300. Planning on PCP both will be same as BMW have better APR. I need time to decide this…..
Waiting for a Griso with the V100 engine - this combo would be a blast and I would happily sacrifice the aero-package for a potent naked retro with the fully adjustable suspension. In the "smiles per miles"-department Guzzi always wins hands down.
Maybe price wise you can compare them. Other then that I think it's two different types of bikes. Where the Mandello is a sporty tourer, the BMW is a comfortable sportsbike. By the looks the BMW is a 10/12 in a row for me, every sports-bike looks like this. The Mandello has it's own character, has a way more interesting design and has therefor more style. I would have to ride them to make my verdict solid, but my perference would be on the Mandello. ps: the extra grunt lies in the 250cc more.
I have ridden both bikes recently. I was able to take them for about 2.5 hours each. I can say without a shadow of a doubt the Moto Guzzi just has more soul. The BMW does just about everything perfectly, but the Guzzi just delivers the passion better. Riding the Mondello in red and having the world just give me a massive thumbs up wherever I stopped says everything. Similar but the Gizzi made me feel like I did when I first got on my old Suzuki GS500F as my first bike. The thrill, the grin on my face would not go away. Love them both, but I ride for more than just the ride. I want to ride again for the spirit of riding. Moto Guzzi for me.
I believe the Mandello is the best looking bike out there. I like the BMW, but the MG stole my heart.
If you buy a bike because of a spec sheet, you buy the beemer. But if you buy a bike with your heart, you buy the Guzzi. Simple as that. Forza Guzzi ❤
You buy a bike because it does what you want but more importantly it makes you smile.
Not if you take a test ride on both.
which i did last week...Beemer wins it!
When it comes to mechanicals and machinery, you’re probably better off using your head!
A very fair comparison (as always), but for me BMWs hold little appeal. I find them sterile. I chose the Guzzi and picked it up last week. A soul-stirring beauty of a mistress. In red it has the look of a futuristic LeMans. The dealership I bought it from were offering the £950 panniers for free too (take that, price comparison!) Still in the honeymoon period, but I absolutely love it so far.
You are a lucky man my friend, ride safe 🍺
Great choice...looking to buy a new S version....would you describe it as a fast bike, not S1000R fast, but fast enough...?
@@MandelloUK 'Fast enough' is very subjective. Some people like the thrashability of a 4 cylinder, but for me I love the instant grunt of a big torquey twin. It is very quick off the mark and changes direction just by thinking about it. It's supremely confident in corners and in real world road usage you would not get left behind by bikes with 50 or 60hp more. Remember that most hypersports bikes will never let you access all that horsepower as the electronics will kick in to save you from your own enthusiasm. Depending on your personal skill level, the only place you might possibly be left wanting is on a track day, and only then if you were insanely competitive. The engine is tight to begin with, but by the time it's run in (900 miles or 1500km) it really starts to spin up. I've had much faster (on paper) bikes before, but unless you're maxing out in a straight line, you'll keep up with absolutely anything. Hope you can get a good long test ride to see for yourself. So to answer your question - it's more than fast enough!
@@rickparkinmoto Very helpful reply....thank you! How have you found the service from the dealer?
@@MandelloUK Perfect so far, They were really helpful in showing me different companies that make accessories like longer mudguards (they're ALWAYS too short nowadays), radiator guards, paddock stands, and other bolt-on goodies. They got me booked in for the first service quickly - a lot of dealers are booked up weeks in advance. I haven't had any problems with the bike though, and that is when you really find out who the good dealers are.
The fact that Motto Guzzi has a bike that compares this favorably to the BMW 1250 is just freakin awesome! I LOVE the MG.
The new company sales brochures
I’m a retro bike fan and generally not interested in modern style bikes but this Moto Guzzi is an absolute stunner! ❤
I'm with on that. Jay Leno once looked at a Royal Enfield and said....wow, it still looks like a motorcycle and not some out of space plastic appliance. Something like that...to that effect, I can't recall his exact words.
I own a new 1250GS and I absolutely love the shift cam engine. That said, I can’t take my eyes off the Guzzi, I think it is hands down one of the most gorgeous bikes I’ve ever seen. I also own a 1983 Guzzi V65SP so I’m a little predisposed to loving the look and personality of these bikes. I would without hesitation dig into my pockets for the new Mandello and sleep next to it in my garage.
Suggestion: Get the GS tuned. They leave so much on the table. I had mine done (R1250RS) by Brentune and it literally goes from 136hp to 155. It really boogies and has so much more punch. I would absolutely pull away HARD from my wife's untuned R1250GS, and with me and my RS, I'm a little heavier.
@@caferacerqu33ngreat info+comment 🙂👍
Why don’t reviewers ever talk about service intervals and approximate costs. This is one of my first questions when looking at a new bike.
That would put reality into the video you just meant to buy it plus that would require someone to get the info way easier to just ride them
Google the owners manual.
@FITNESSOVER45 Flying Fortress looked siiiiiiick!!!! BAD A$$$$$!!!!
The Mittenden Rider on UTube does that and did it specifically for the BMW R1250RS.
With respect to the Guzzi dealer shortage: True enough, but the available-for-free online shop manuals are extensive, most good independent motorcycle mechanics can do the work, the dealers that exist are really responsive in my experience to helping find and ship you the stuff you need, the service protocols are simple (eg thread and locknut valve lash adjuster sticking up at waist height), and the things are under-tuned and over-built and that is a very good thing. So…. add in a really good owners club that is a bunch of gear heads that will respond to questions etc … its a viable bike even without the extensive shops. Especially if you are a little DIY oriented and especially also with later models. The older classics are well supported considering, but ownership epochs in the company have made some older years of production into a bit of a specialty custom process. They’ll still go on and on but its a different kind of “exotic machines” thing sometimes with the stuff they need. Remember, for example, those old californias were police patrol bikes and were tanks. The last generation of Californias at 1400s, although not running in police departments, totally had that old fleet bike build and ride philosophy anyway. So.. it would be nice to have a better dealer network, but its manageable in the USA to own one as a seriously used rider.
Having tried both I'd say:
go for the BMW if you are a tall person and want to comfortably accomodate you and a tall(iysch) passenger on a tour.
go for the Guzzi if you want an intense riding experience on a sporty bike and you can do without the 143NM of torque of the BMW.
Both are great bikes!
I agree with your choice! I have a 850 V7 in the garage which suits me nicely, if I wanted more capability I'd definitely look at a V100
I now own a Moto Guzzi V100S Mandello and I love it. It’s not a long distance touring bike, but it’s a great bike to go on a 200 250 mile day ride.
It does have a lot of soul. It’s also been very reliable after 3,500 miles.
Now this is an exciting comparison because I too believe both of these are incredible too as a touring bike and they're very similar.
Guzzi has it for me - it’s got Soul. Thanks MotoBob. 👍😎❤️✅
I have a BMW R1250 - so my purchase bias.
You have stated the BMW is a lot stronger in the engine.
But, rating the engine lower then the Mandello, because of exhaust noise, seems ridiculous to me.
I bought my BMW for engine performance, handling, brakes and comfort. So, that's what I would rate these bikes on.
For styling, I really like the way the Mandello looks. It's a lot nicer than the BMW (or almost anything else).
Agreed. Torque matters. With an aftermarket can, high flow air filter and a simple stage 1 Brenn tune I'm making over 150 HP and 114 ft-lbs of torque. Even stock, my RS would stomp on a V100's balls. The V100's "vibey character" is irrelevant here.
Having owned both a Moto Guzzi 1200 sport and a BMW R9t what Moto Bob says does make sense. The R9t was quicker but 0:03 the Guzzi had a V twin feel and sounded fantastic. I rated the Guzzi engine higher than the BMW (even though the BMW was a better bike overall)
@@Pyrrho_ I came here to say the same. Brentune did my R1250RS, and I would walk away HARD from my wife's untuned R1250GS. I was also at the time like 90lbs heavier than her.
@@maxmorgan4453 entirely different engine in the R NineT, it's down 30hp and doesn't pull hard up top like the Shiftcam 1250. I have both, and the old boxer has character, but that's about all it has on the new engines.
@@caferacerqu33n The Guzzi engine is new too and has considerably more power being liquid cooled. I think that the comparison between the boxer and transverse V twin is still valid even though both engines have been updated. It is not unreasonable for somebody to say they prefer the V twin over the boxer, but if you prefer the boxer that is OK too!
Had a r100rs from 79' , that was a fantastic strong good bike. Very modern in comfort and power was perfect. great review Bob . Greatings from Belgium.
As a life long bmw rider and fan I would probably pick the Guzzi between these two. Between an RT or the Guzzi it would be a harder choice as I do like to tour ... Can't wait to test the Guzzi!
I switched from an RT to a V100 and am happy with my decision.
Mandello for me
You will never go into a BMW dealership and see a basic R1250RS on the showroom floor at £13,140 and definitely not an SE at £15,135! The dealers will have already put various packs on. The actual purchase costs on the Guzzi are far more transparent.
The "packs" as you call them are installed at the factory when the bike is ordered (either by the dealer or a customer), not the dealer. Last summer there was a multi-month period where you couldn't find a premium trim-level RS anywhere, even used.
@@Pyrrho_ packs as BMW calls them
@@blueyondermoto I'm looking at BMW's bike configurator page right now. They're called "packages".
@@blueyondermoto A cash grab, as I call them.. BMW is famous for this nonsense. Want heated grips and a centerstand?, that 'Pack' will be an additional $2000, because it includes hard luggage and racks. What a crock of you know what!
Having test rode both, the BMW was far less fun. It's objectively a more performant bike, with plenty of kit for the pricepoints. But the V100 had bags of character, with more than enough punch for a good sesh.
As a justifiable indicator of desirability, I agree “character” is in the mix. What I don’t know is how to make that subjective judgment a tad more sophisticated - and, agreed upon. Heck, we’ve done it for wine, why not engines and bikes?
@@UncleWally3 Because it'd be even more subjective?
@@Pyrrho_ Not sure if something can be more or less subjective; isn’t something either subjective or not subjective? Debating the character of wine (Scotch, craft beer) is subjective but a sophisticated vocabulary allows it to be debated and understood by others. While I know the character of my bikes are different, I don’t have the vocabulary to have a refined discussion about those differences. One goes “chugga-chugga” and the other goes “buzzy-buzzy” may distinguish between a Fat Bob and a K1600, but I doubt that tells much to anyone who hasn’t ridden those bikes. Anyway, just shooting the shit. I think my point is we often talk of character, but maybe don’t really know much about it?
@@UncleWally3 What one person would define as character, another would find as annoyance. Every bike has character by definition but we may not all like it.
Objectively my 1250RS is the best bike I've ever owned. Fine chassis, stump-pulling torque, ultra smooth for a big twin, loads of useful tech, reasonable pillion accommodation. But... I don't like it as much as the lumpier, lower tech, less practical R1200S I had before. I've come to the conclusion that the RS is so accomplished it's a bit, well, boring. Boring but brilliant.
I look forward to seeing other Guzzi models with this new engine. The air cooled bikes will be phased out over emission demands. The air cooled 4 valve 1200 / 1400 engines that were in the Griso, Stelvio, Norge, Audace, Eldorado, and California were axed over not being emission friendly. Heard a rumour of another Stelvio coming along with the new engine.
There is just something about Moto Guzzi machines and riding them that is very compelling. Not on the specs sometimes, but there when you see or ride one. Any of them, really. BMW used to really do it for me (I’m 70 now, its been a fairly long relationship starting with /2’s). But sad to say the new ones just do not do it like they used to. The R1250RS with short risers and bags is my favorite BMW by far now. But I won’t have a BMW now as Moto Guzzis are my favorite motorcycles now. A bit different, and all for the best IMO.
Tested the Guzzi today. Rode though central Paris, and 30 minutes of motorway. I really enjoyed it far more than I expected to. I don't usually love motorway riding but this bike filt so comfortable and wind protection was excellent, making it not a chore at all. Though town, filtering was fine, although it would probably give off a lot of heat in summer. I'm even considering trading in my Livewire One for this bike!
Would love to see you do the comparison between BMW R1250RT and a Yammie FJR1300
My heart says Guzzi, my ego says BMW (I own both an old Guzzi and a BMW) but because of the styling and the uniqueness of the brand, it is Guzzi forever. 8 am looking forward to seeing the Stelvio version coming soon (EICMA 2023).
Had to make this choice and ended up with the RS. The Guzzi is stylish but torque is on the German side ✌️
Besides, giving the point to the Guzzi for the engine was a bit stretched out 😉
@@giovanniricci2869 agreed. The power gap is massive between the two. I've geniunely done north of 150 WITH CASES ON on my prior Brentuned R1250RS. Guzzi will run out of steam 20mph earlier.
Torque matters.
Agree. I have a Guzzi V7 and the BMW R1250R. When I am bored I always take out the beemer. The torque is addictive!
@@caferacerqu33n I’ll come across a motorcycle magazine (In Sella, yes I know it’s italian but if you follow the italian motorcycle scene, you’ll soon understand that they are the first to put down their own products in favour of the superior german ones, on top of it for most Italians there’s only one real motorcycle brand, Ducati, never mind it’s owned by german car manufacturer Audi) and they tested both, also on the Dyno and while the RS makes 109hp at the wheel, the V100 is not far behind (105hp). In the acceleration tests the V100 dominated although they were very close, within a second (0-400m, 0-100m, 0-100kmh, 400m roll-on in 6th gear for 400m, the only one where the RS was slightly quicker by 0,4 seconds). On the other hand the RS was way more fuel efficient
Great comparison, 2 great bikes! Thank you!
Bought a V100S and just love it after 9000km. Much longercservice intervals than the BMW. Have ridden my friends R1250R and like it too. Bit smoother than the Guzzi but Guzzi has more character. V100S handles better, looks and sounds better. I'm very tall and kept banging right shin into BMW cylinder head.Can't go wrong with either one.
Can I ask how tall ?
Would love to see an updated SPORTS tourer challenge. Also include Ducati PP, BMW XR, Kawasaki and Suzuki.
I love my R1250RS. I had a SDGT before this bike and while not all out as exciting as the SDGT the Beemer is smoother and it starts and keeps running
I chose the Moto Guzzi V100 Mandello Aviazione Navale and have no regrets.
You rank each bike against 6 features and then add them up in a binary way 1 versus 0 so they score 3 each. The reality of choosing a motorcycle is that not all the factors are equal and factors weight differently for each rider/potential purchaser and some factors are not relevant for some riders (1 am 6'1" so the availability of a low seat is of no interest to me, I am also a Luddite so lots of high tech stuff is in fact a negative a) because I am paying for something I will not use and b) because it will go wrong and it will be expensive to fix.
I suspect that somewhere there is a ranking of factors which buyers consider that would enable you to rank those factors and weight them. For me it would be performance, handling, looks and price in that order with other factors such as features (heated grips, quick shifter etc) option availability, warranty duration weighted lower
The cost of ownership is also rarely mentioned in reviews such as this. Can I suggest a standard 10000 or 20000 mile cost i.e. number of services at standard manufacturer dealer rates plus the cost of stuff that gets consumed (chains and sprockets vs shaft drive) plus a comparison of parts prices broken in normal use e.g. I x front brake lever + 1 x mirror + 1 x footrest.
More work for you but a more informed review that would differentiate you as a reviewer
The Guzzi wins for me. Your summation was perfect and exactly described my needs - a great weekend sporty road bike that can handle a bit of touring. I've just ordered a V100S in the green grey with gold wheels.
Utilitarian, sporty practical touring, BMW. Sporty agility, work of art, Moto Guzzi.
The video i was waiting, finally this comparison :D
I do not agree with the bmw wining in the price, if we add all the extra (and the visual ones you spoke before) it will pass by alot the v100 S.
Especially if you add OEM options like hard cases, liners, sat nav, etc. Mine was close to $20K out the door.
Stepping up to the S model of the Mandello also brings you heated grips, which wasn't mentioned
The '23 RS also offers heated seats, also which wasn't mentioned.
Mandello also offers heated seat and low and high seat too 😊
The same comparison came to mind as soon as I tested Mandello. My neighbour has an RS with the typical 3 packs and in our area it is only about 600 euros more expensive than the Mandello S. Although I like the sound of the Mandello engine, especially the sizzle when the engine brakes - I would prefer the power, torque and usability of the boxer in the RS. But if the Mandello S were a bit cheaper, I'd probably be very hesitant.
How would it stand up to my S1000XR on the commute? More then 25k kms year round in Belgium, filtering trough Brussels and Antwerp rush hour.
That moto guzzi is way better looking. I may be shallow but that is a big selling point for me. I have a z900 and thought about the GSXS-1000 but it wasn’t as pretty even if the stats are better all the way around.
I went for the Guzzi, but I haven’t even tried the BMW... Aldo I should have done it, because since then I have some doubt.... but thanks to your video, I think I have made the right choice for me. Thanks 👍
Hey MotoBob ! , I’ve owned a Guzzi, loved it, the V100 I bet is a terrific bike, Love the looks of it, Guzzi motors are unique. So glad Guzzi made this, they needed to do something new. But there are several reasons I believe the BMW is better in my opinion. I enjoy your channel ! Thanks
Both are great, no question. If I would pick the BMW, I would rather go for the R1250R, only because of the riding position. Otherwise I like Guzzis to. Test rode both bikes. Cheers. Nice video.
I'm not sure 'better' is the right word. The RS is the closest competitor, but it's a different machine and doesn't have the same charisma. People who buy Guzzis are buying into that feel.
I'd take the Beemer due to the fact that the Guzzi is a brand new platform and there's always hiccups with new platforms. Especially with Italian manufactures. Maybe after a few years once the kinks have been ironed out.
Especially in the US, BMW wins on dealer network. Good luck finding a Guzzi dealer. I own a 2020 RS and have only had a chance to sit on the V100, but I found the BMW to be better finished/higher quality. Also, the shiftcam boxer is a great, great engine.
Have a '20 RS as well. No Guzzi dealers near me either, which means no way in hell I'm buying a bike with a brand new engine design with no dealers near me.
Just turned 6000km with my standard Mandello. No issues at all til now, suits me perfectly for daily use, powerful and enjoyable bike really. Beginning of a long companionship so it seems! You just have to get used to Guzzi idiosyncrasies like the gear-box (takes a little while to smoothen up but it does in the end) and the crankshaft, which is one of the reasons for which I chose the bike but requires proper handling (get the shifter if you don't know how to blip when downshifting).
Wouldn’t the Bimmer F 900 XR be a closer match? Either way all good choices.
Moto Guzzi, no question. Touring from UK to Corfu and back. Brilliant bike , it has character. Sorry too many BMW,s about. They do the job but too common. Loving the MG
MG dealers need to deliver on service
Really enjoying your channel. I have a question. Why don't any of the reviewers ever talk about reliability? It's in my top three concerns when buying a new bike. Yet no one ever talks about the reliability of the different brands.
If they did that, anything with a BMW boxer would immediately win, especially in the states where there aren't any Guzzi dealers.
@@caferacerqu33n Have a Guzzi dealer where I live in Arizona. They have 3 in stock, red & white, 1 S green.
The red & white have been sitting 6+ months. They are also Ducati, Aprilla, etc.
They charge $240 USD an hour for maintenance. They want $2,100 to do annual & valves on my Ducati ST2. Was $600-$800 a few years ago. I do all my own maintenance. Not paying for some dealership kiddie to screw things up. Certainly not at $240 an hour.
The Mandelo has an alternator belt that needs to be replaced at 15k miles. Older versions are a pita. Have no idea if it is easier on the v100.
BMW dealer is $120 per hour. They will do my Ducati, but want $1,100. The BMW service is 2 hours valves, then fluids. 4 hours tops.
From a maintenance point of view the BMW is the way to go.
Though I am close to getting the Motoguzzi! It is a beautiful bike in person.
Want the S version but in white. Italian bikes seem to put my preferred colors on the lower end bikes!
@@caferacerqu33n Most of the people I know that have owned a BMW have had to spend a lot of time in the dealership with their bikes. My friend's GS spent more time in the dealerships garage than his. After two years he gave up and part-exchanged it for a Suzuki and took the hit. That's why the second-hand bike market is flooded with BMW's
WOW. that CARDO systems is really something to Go For. really cool. thanks for the recom
I bought the base red Guzzi for primarily three reasons. A great year end price, I love the motor/styling and much of the Beemer tech does not really interest me. I just put the Guzzi in the garage yesterday. Hopefully, the weather will soon cooperate.
I test rode both of these (videos on my channel). They're both excellent 👌 but neither could convince me to part with my Kawasaki Z1000SX / Ninja 1000SX.
But if I had to choose between these, I'd have to go with the Guzzi on looks alone. On the road they perform very similar and you can't really use the extra power.
I have to check your channel then. I own a Ninja 1000sx which I love but hitting soon 62 years I’m afraid that when I change bike, 2024 or 2025 (the Ninja will have clocked 50 000+) by then, I’ll go still for a sports tourer but with more relaxed ergonomics. My question to you as you have experience with the bikes at hand: how did you find the ergonomics of the Mandello compared to the Ninja? What about the difference in power for roughly the same weight? Very noticeable? Regards
@@carlosalonso9866 I didn't notice a huge difference in ergonomics between the Guzzi and my Z1000SX.
The BMW is a little more leaning forward for the grips, at least for me.
And the difference in power will be hard to notice for normal road riding as almost nobody uses the full power in any bike (throttle fully open at the max power revs!)
I'd strongly encourage anyone to get their own test ride because so much of what we like about bikes is subjective.
Thanks for checking out the channel 👍
I am a serial Guzzi owner. I've had 7 or 8, and still have one now, but after previous bad experience of their customer service & warranty claims I've just spent my money on a BMW who have a better dealer network & warranty with roadside breakdown cover even on used bikes.
I’ve had a BMW S1000RR since new (bought it when it first came out in 2010 in N America). I’ve actually done a lot of touring on the RR and besides a few teething problems within the first year, all dealt with under warranty, the RR has been reliable. I will never sell the RR because it’s now part of my “family”, but I now need a more comfortable bike for touring, and I think I will go with the new Stelvio when it comes out. Could go for a beemer adventure bike, but the MG is so appealing.
can someone tell me what is the black gadget on 4:42? seems like it's always on BMW's test bike
It's a Sat Nav holder.
@@ed.barker7069 thank you for the reply. i thought it was some sort of holder but it looks too bulky so i thought it was something else
@@hykl8705It's a sat nav holder holding the optional mobile phone cradle
Yep, it comes prepped for the £700 (yes, you read that correctly) BMW Nav 6 unit (just a Garmin in a sharp suit).
love my new v100mandllopuls so hard in 4th gear and love that speed shifter over all this is my second moto guzzie its a great motorcycles
Nice video! If I can find a deal on a Guzzi, I will put one in my garage. I have a Anniversary 750 that I have been putting too many miles on that is so much fun to ride
Definitely choose V100 only because of the design
bmw, let's get r12 ninet's variety
the mandello kind of reminds of a family hatchback, but there's something classy in there that i really like 😆 im not sure id want one till im in my 50s though
Im 31 and own a Suzuki GSX-S1000 '22. My dad just bought a Moto Guzzi V7 special, which only has like 60hp. Its way more fun to ride than it has any right to! The engine sound and character is something special.
I'm 53 and I ride 22 speed tripple RR , I do have a 22 tiger sport 660 which is a great bike but it feels like an old dudes bike 😂
This exact white Guzzi is currently on sale for €13k OTD. While BMW R 1250 RS at the same dealership is €19k. Maybe it has more equipment I am not sure, but still they are €6k difference. Not sure why, but all Italians and KTM are priced well. For example Tuono 660 for €9k, RS 660 for €10k, KTM Duke 890 GP for €10k (on sale), KTM Adventure 790 for €10k... Also Japanese are overpriced. For example MT07 is €9.3k...
The BMW must be fully loaded at that price. You can take a 13k bike to 20k with a bmw by the time you add all the extras
@@chrishart8548 It could have been fully loaded. The Guzzi Mandello V100 S version is €15k, still a lot cheaper. The question is which will hold it's resale value better?
@keepitsimple8880 some bmw bikes hold value really well. The ones that don't are the roadsters. Like the f800r r1200r. The GS bikes hold value well and I believe the Rnine-t also does. The rs is a bit of a middle ground. I still say the V100 styling looks a little like an sports adventure. That's no bad thing. Need to see one really they do look very nice,
@@chrishart8548 Thank you for the profound answer. Btw I've seen V100 in person and the quality finish is top notch, up there with BMW, Triumph, Ducati
I owned a 1972 MG 750 Ambassador that I rode XC to California - I loved it - looks, sound, comfort - but it was used when I bot it and it did have some mechanical issues. I also owned - for 40 years - a 1983 BMW R65. I bot it brand new and I loved it - commuted to work in NYC on it, took it to Canada and Key West and spent summers in the Hamptons with it - reliable and it looked great - so I'd have to say they were both great bikes - and so different that it is hard to compare - if I were still riding and could house both, I would keep both - but if I could have only one, I'd pick the BMW
In the US a Mandello S is $16,500 and a similarly equipped RS1250 is $20,960.
I weigh engine, handling, and price heavily. Heavy weighting also goes to a category where MotoBob dares not tread: reliability, an area where BMW seems to be coasting on a 40 year old reputation with disappointing more recent results, so no advantage to the BMW here. I give lower weighting to comfort, tech, and styling. So Mandello it is for me.
I made my choice months ago when I picked up the V100 s. I was considering a 1250R.
Tried both. Really wanted to like the Guzzi - but it just did not work properly for me in the corners. Engine was lovely, and it was a very nice looking bike. I now own the RS...I prefer that handling and as the review say - the comfort is just fantastic. 1000 km days are quite easy if need be...
I have had 4 Guzzi’s and am currently on my 4th BMW (R1250R) Guzzi back up and very few dealers do create a problem so am quite content to stick with BMW
R1250RS owner. It has been rock stable for just over three years of ownership. I prefer the looks of the RS, but the v100 is great looking (until you add the horrific factory bags). I do spend a decent amount of time on interstates to get to Western North Carolina roads, so I appreciate the comfort of the BMW. The RS isn't bad in the mountains, but I would pick something different if I lived where I like to ride. It probably wouldn't be the Guzzi, though, because there are better options for mountain roads and because of the very small dealer network in the US. It is daunting to think about repairing an Italian bike when the closest dealer is 100's of miles away.
One issue not addressed: Dealer/service support networks. Here in the U.S., I can ride my R1200RS from coast to coast, and if anything comes up, (from a mechanical issue to a simple service) I can find a BMW dealership FAR easier than a certified MG dealer. It simply matters from a practicality standpoint, and tangential to my point, this matter/issue is why MV Augusta sales lag so badly here in States...little-to-no support network.
To be honest I am a '23 RS owner but I honestly don't understand all the comments sticking the bike with "lack of soul" or "sterile"...
It's a wonderful machine that will make you fall in love with the torque and take you, your pillion, and full pannier set on 500 mile B-road day without breaking you and at ~5l/100km. It loves long sweepers you can take with serious lean due to its stability.
It's a bona-fide sports-tourer - be it at a high price.
That is without any fault towards the Guzzi.
Edit: just heard the closing comment 8:57 - if you need a 'weekend sporty bike' without much touring there are far superior machines out there than these two...
Trouble is 'tour' to me doesn't mean bimbling about for 2 weekson an overloaded bike. For me it's planning a 2 week route with the best roads possible, not taking the kitchen sink and the actual 'tour' resembles 14 x Sunday rides with like-minded mates. And, you don't need a fully-dressed tourer or humungous adventure bike. You just need your bike of choice.
Guzzi steals one's heart in a heartbeat. BMW is for a very rational choice.
I like beemers and that RS is one I would buy, but that Guzzi sure looks amazing in white
I have a R1250RS and love it. Best bike I've ever owned. That said the Guzzi has the charm. I'd own both in a flash if I could. If I were forced to choose, it would be the BMW, simply because of it's proven reliability and quality tech. The flat sound of a boxer compared to the magic sound of a 90deg V gives me pause for thought though. It's a head or a heart choice, but it's BMW for me.
One important factor. Mandello fits shorter statue people better and BMW a bit larger as pointed out 4:30 . I'm 170 and mandello firs like a glove. So riders with long arms and legs can feel cramped up on the Guzzi. I would pick the Guzzi. Stock engine sound is sweet. Engine and gearbox are smooth and the Mandello have alot more character then BMW.
Strange. I'm a short-arse but manage my 1250RS with a std seat. I sat on a Mandello recently and struggled with the seat height. In reality it's more of a stretch from arse to ground - perhaps it's the shape of the seat? Waiting to try the Guzzi with a low seat. Hope it's better than the Beemer with a low seat - the ergos felt all wrong on that.
Higher seat option available for taller riders
I came so close to buying a Guzzi, but a trusted mechanic suggested I do one simple test: Go to the dealership and ask for a few parts that can, and do, malfunction: IE a stator, fork seals and transmission shift-forks. I didn’t have to ask for anything beyond the stator to know sourcing OEM parts were going to be a big challenge. And I know, parts for anything post-Covid is frustrating, but that’s only amplified by the size and experience of the manufacturer.
As a BMW GS owner I’ll be the first to say that no bike will nickel and dime you more than a beemer. BMW stands for bring my wallet.😮
@@slavetotheroadTrue dat! Still like me a Boxer though...
The Guzzi is something different. I really like its unique style in every detail.
I would choose the Moto Guzzi. I definitely love the styling and maneuvering ability of it....
As a 6'4' rider that lives in the US midwest, the Guzzi is both too small and lacks anything close to the sort of dealer network I'd want for a new engine design on an Italian bike. Plus, I already have a R1250RS so I've made my (obviously superior) choice. :) Torque matters.
I'm with you 100%. Having owned NINE BMW Boxer Twins (currently own four, R1250GS Rallye, R1250RT-Police, R NineT Racer, R NineT Classic) my R1250RS was the best one by a mile. I only sold it because I moved to a region where I wasn't doing any "touring" anymore and my wife wanted to order a new cop bike, and I sold mine.
@@caferacerqu33n Amen. This is my 4th (and best) boxer.
I’ll take the RT. More complete, tried and tested, do anything anytime.
That MG looks amazing but I’d have to take BMW because it’d be more comfortable for me and I’ve always wanted a boxer.
I’d be so happy either (if I had the money). They both have style, character, torque and stability. My kind of bike.
Always interesting these reviews. Mostly it's down to the individual tastes. For me, I prefer the sound of the BMW Boxer engine, the added performance, the looks of the RS I prefer, the tech is much better and it's more comfortable and likely more reliable.
But it's a superb offering from Moto Guzzi and if you want to break away from the crowd, it's the perfect option. I went for an RS over the GS partly because it's much less common, but also becuase I wanted a Sports Tourer rather than an adventure bike when I'm not planning to go off road.
But the Moto Guzzi offers a worthwhile alternative. I just don't like the looks as much as the RS and think the Gold wheels and engine head covers don't work that well with the silver engine block etc. But as always, styling is each to their own and well done Moto Guzzi for offering a superb alternative...
Have a 2023 BMW R1250RS Sport and a 2022my Triumph Street Triple RS as well. The Moto Guzzi is a very stilish bike. Only issue with niche brands in certain markets is the value you get for it when you want to change for a new bike. The BMW is far easier to resell and retains more trade value over time. In portugal, where I live, that is the case. Have toured 4000km in europe in Aug with the R1250RS and it is a very good motorcycle indeed. For excitment, I ride my Triumph, which is as close to the best one can have, price, performance, looks and quality wise on a Sport naked.
My 2021 RS has done 60kkm, new with full options costed 21k now 3 years old I can't get 14k. Won't mention expensive services.
I think 14k Guzzi will be still wortk 7k after 3 years. Only if try will know.
I may change for a guzzi next season.
Location and quality of dealer network is important to me. Unfortunately Guzzi dealers aren't in the same league as BMW around me.
Riding a Multi V2S after three GSs I’d err towards the Guzzi, it’s the riding experience but the boxer engine is very capable in all its platforms. These are the two bikes I’m comparing next time as I think they suit the sub 6’ rider.
BMW comes in four different seat heights, and the default seat (third highest of the four) suited me wonderfully at 5'9"
IMO the Guzzi is the better choice and wins , the fact that both bikes are really fun weekend Rides , if your going for long touring these days you would opt for an Adventure for Comfort
Now, let me try to understand this. The BMW, with conciderably more horsepower, torque and Shiftcam tech out performs the Guzzi at low rpm's mid range and high rpm's. Not mentioned is it is very likely the smoothest running large displacement twin ever made, but you rank the Guzzi engine higher because you prefer the sound it makes. Am I missing something?
Sat on one today. Beutifull.i just hope it can do many miles without serious issues. Also impressed with the looks of tt85. Very comfortable. Enjoy❤
I've been biking for 40 years and have had a few Moto Guzzis. They look and sound great. That's a big deal. However, mine often wouldn't start in the rain and were taken away on low loaders for repair too often. I hope they are more reliable now. Anyway for the last six years I have ridden BMWs and they just work. Every time. Reliable, capable tourers. I'll stick with them for now.
Looking at the two bikes i personally like the looks of th beemer,but if i was gettimg a guzzi it would be the griso
Why compare two bikes that are meant for different things? Also, isn't V100 Mandello kinda an 100 year anniversary bike more than anything else?
Great video. Honestly not sure which one I would pick, I’m leaning BMW because it has a lot more HP but that said I think the Guzzi looks and sounds better. Would have to ride them back to back to decide.
Made arrangements to test ride both next week and will be making my choice soon after. That being said, I rode the R1250R (naked) a few months back and found the ride rather boring. I'm a fan of character in my bikes and the BMW, while very precise and well built, just didn't stir my soul, we'll see if the Guzzi does.
The R1250R... over both (properly flickable) but agree that the Guzzi does sound the best.
But the overall performance (nothing matches it below 7k rpm for torque except the 1390 superduke) and everyday liveability of the beemer wins out... plus it looks angrier.
When I got the 1250r sport.. i was seriously considering a v2, v4 streetfighter, tuono, katana and superduke (having been a KTM man for over the last decade).. the beemer won out in everything except the engine note (and the Superdukes top end). As I commute and scratch on the weekends... it is the best do it all bike (and no chain maintenance).
The all-new V100 motor is only 5hp up from their 8V oil-cooled motor. I would think the team that created the Aprilia V4 could have done a little better. I would love to see some real world performance numbers on the two bikes, 0-30, 60, 100mph, 1/4 mile, and a complete torque and power curve. Maybe the peak number doesn't tell the whole story.
Ask how much a clutch cost to fit on a guzzi
I really like my 2020 RS. I am always drawn to what other bikes might offer (like a dog wanting to chase the new ball). I just keep coming back to mine and other than the fact it is expensive to maintain (I have to wonder about the Guzzi, particularly after warranty expires), I can afford it. The RS needs valves checked at 12k miles and with inflation, new tires and service every 6k miles adds up. I have never had any reliability issues with any of the several BMW’s I have owned. Lots of people like the S1000XR (I have owned two S1000R’s and they were so fast), but I found the seating position not to my liking. I sat on a Tracer 9 - an option for this old geezer to downsize, as it is 50lbs lighter and I think I could get used to it. Interesting the salesman at the dealer noted that the RS is so well-balanced that the extra weight should not matter than much. I always appreciate a dealer who is not just trying to push their product. I just put on a set of Road 5’s and they were $650!!!. The 6k service was $575 and I put in a new battery (prophylactically, as it was four years old). I know one can go outside the dealer for some work. I guess while I am at it, I should check out other Italian bikes like the Guzzi, MV Augusta et al.
Love that Guzzi🔥❤️🏍💯
It’s personal choice at the end of the day. However, I would be astounded if this Mondello ever became a serious competitor to the RT.
My new GSA 1250 got stolen , I had it for 3 months did a Euro tour. Supreme comfort. Now only two V100S or 1300GS on purchase radar. I know BMW will be better on comfort , power and reliability but I am drawn to V100S. 13/14k new to 18k + farkling another 2 k for BMW GS1300. Planning on PCP both will be same as BMW have better APR. I need time to decide this…..
Waiting for a Griso with the V100 engine - this combo would be a blast and I would happily sacrifice the aero-package for a potent naked retro with the fully adjustable suspension. In the "smiles per miles"-department Guzzi always wins hands down.
Maybe price wise you can compare them. Other then that I think it's two different types of bikes. Where the Mandello is a sporty tourer, the BMW is a comfortable sportsbike. By the looks the BMW is a 10/12 in a row for me, every sports-bike looks like this. The Mandello has it's own character, has a way more interesting design and has therefor more style. I would have to ride them to make my verdict solid, but my perference would be on the Mandello. ps: the extra grunt lies in the 250cc more.
If you factor in performance, you'd have to give a point to the BMW for that. So BMW for me.