4:02 My Model 3 started smoking at the Supercharger too a few weeks back! I immediately terminated the charging session but when I got out, I noticed that it was just steam! Apparently, the heat pump can let off some steam when cooling the battery… Nothing to worry about according to tesla forums
Yes, we Tesla drivers rely on the number of "free stalls" that our navigation is telling us real time. So could be quite annoying to see you cannot charge because another car(s) is/are blocking 2 stalls while using one.
Wasn’t it that Tesla was so straightforward and easy in using? Now we have to follow a training how to use a charger because Tesla drivers are scared loosing their charging spot? I think the problem is with Tesla by designing a wrong kind of charger.
@@pilotandthecity8527 The chargers are designed better than anything else. For example, after you plug in your car, there is no need for RFC, apps of other ways of payment. So you plug in the charger and thats it. The supercharger network recognizes your car and you dont have to do anything. Tesla will dedict it from your account. Things all other charging stations in the world could learn from. Then the cables, they are designed in such a way that they will not touch the ground ever, even if they are not plugged in properly. This ensures the cable stays clean and is relyable without being dependant on behaviour of end users. Thats good design. Car manufacturers all have the choise implementing the chargeport at the same side as the mayority of the EV's. (or implement it on both sides). It's not Tesla's responsibility. Honestly, other EV owners should be gratefull Tesla is opening their network for them.
@@pilotandthecity8527 Couldn’t agree more. Tesla should adopt to european standard, exactly like they did when they introduced the Tesla 3 with CCS. I dont see any difference with this issue.
While Elon always said superchargers were intended to become a public charging network, Tesla did design the stalls for one single charging port position. Even with your reco, it will turn out as a mess.
@@rogerstarkey5390 Come on. There are like 5 options for locating a charging port. How hard is that to design a universal charger ? Even Ionity managed that while the charger itself works poorly. And sorry, but alternate EVs have been in the picture since 2010. So Tesla could have figured out the problem ages ago. They just didn't care and here is the result : Their brand will suffer from this especially if their car owners start suffering from that mess.
@@rogerstarkey5390 why tesla modify not other car manufacturers? tesla could very well say well guess what this is proprietary and shut it down to other car manufacturers if push came to shove....not in their best interest but they very well could
I don't really get the fuss about where to park. If the parking space is occupied, it is occupied. If a Tesla charges at any other charger with two DC cables and uses the left charging spot, a Taycan or another Tesla can probably also not charge the car. Cars with charge port on the left, should start filling up the SuC from the right, cars with charger port on the right side should start from the left. In the worst case scenario one stall can not be used. If Tesla sees a problem, they should fix it and do as all other charger manufacturers and create locations/chargers where the cable reaches all positions.
this is the ovious solution - there should be signs illustrating this solution: have a port on the right: start here, teslas and ports on left: start there
For Tesla the left side might be the right side but only for Tesla! All others chargers that I have ever used esp. on public roads in central Europe benefit from having the charge port on the right side. And If Tesla opens their charging network they need to adjust to allow other cars to use the chargers ad well. Like ionity and the likes - charging for everyone possible. Or simply change the cables...
Strongly disagree with you. You have a BMW, so on a V2 supercharger you should specifically park on stall A to block stall B, so you don’t share power ! Assume the BMW badge ! :)
This is why Tesla is trialing other manufacturer charging in Norway. Over there people are actually considerate of other people's situations. Even if we had the CCS connectors here in the U.S. most folks couldn't be bothered to even think about how their decisions affect others and would park how they please, usually in the most inconvenient manner possible. It's all about "personal rights" here, which translates to "I won't do anything which makes your life easier."
I do think that you wil find that cars have the fuel (charging) flap on the right side because if you run out of juice on the autobahn, you would not like to be standing out in the 100 km/h++ tracfic while you fill up from a jerrycan! 🙂
Cool to see how Tesla sets up the superchargers in different formats. In Canada, specifically toronto, I’ve only see one format where the superchargers are lined up along the back side of the parking lot, all evenly spaced. Hopefully we can get some of these different layouts that will help with things like different cars, carrying bike racks on the back, and others
Certainly a useful video for Bimmer drivers. Nevertheless, I foresee complete chaos ... How on earth should all other non-Tesla drivers figure out the correct way of parking their EVs at Tesla superchargers?
Yes, phat E-tron will be a mess at Superchargers, but the Taycan is good for Tesla Superchargers. The DC fast charge port is on the front right side, so you just park it facing the opposite direction of how you would park a Tesla.
There is no correct side. Fossil cars can be left or right because this way you can fit cars on both sides of the pump. This is per design and makes it much more efficient. i.e. Mercedes splits their ICE models in left and right side as well, so you get an even split at a gas station. This is on prupose and has nothing to do with confusion.
@@rogerstarkey5390 Tesla have had ample of time to change the design of their chargers throughout the years. Besides, the discussion here were about fuel stations, not charging networks.
@@Glomby Not all gas stations are made the same. Several near me are only practical as one-way entry/exit at certain times. And people don't always park close enough to the pump to allow traffic between the two lines of pumps. When it is busy there are often idle pumps forward of the person with the really large tank or the one who needs a candy bar and a soda, or the one who has to pay in cash. To use the idle pump, one would need to go around the line at the entrance on the less busy street, go around the corner onto the busy street with the narrower lanes, slowly edge into the lot, and then do a 4 or 5 point turn in the small space in order to reverse into the idle pump.
@@cremy3525 They don't use cables, they use hoses, and they are everywhere. It is very rare to find a pump that has the arm that lifts the extra long hose over your car so that it doesn't harm the paint. And those don't work with pickups and commercial vehicles. Speaking of commercial vehicles, often those have the fuel port behind the driver's door. With an extended wheelbase, those can take up two pumps.
This reminds me of the people at Costco that pull the gas nozzle into the middle "pass-through" lane, standing there blocking cars from moving because their inlet is on the opposite side of the pump.
A UK provider, MFG, started installing 150kW eVolts at forecourts (good sites actually) but with very short cables. Commendably they listened to feedback and retrofitted much longer cables, I expect it won’t look pretty on the current Supercharger design but it will probably have to happen if Tesla becomes an energy supplier to all (which it probably has to in order to maintain access to new grid opportunities).
Longer cable make sense from ease of use for non Tesla users, but longer cables = more resistance losses in cable so everyone will pay a bit more. Clearly the original short cable design was done for Teslas only to maximise charging efficiency. The faster you charge at a given voltage, the greater these losses will be since losses are proportional to the square of the charging current. There are also similar losses in the car itself before the battery, which is why what you see as delivered electricity on the charger can be quite a bit more than what actually goes into your battery
@@thegores34 True, though it’s probably not enough to not put longer cables on. Greater utilisation, customer base and regulatory wins will offset a few kW (and EV uptake acceleration will help account for small increase in wastage)
No need to charge at Supercharger in second row for expensive prices and shxx app, if you can charge in first row with easy RFID for good prices. Btw. V2 is slow. And with sharing power? No, sorry.
In the US, superchargers you have to back in to are centered with respect to the parking spot. Parking with an offset to the charger will infringe on the next parking spot so do NOT do that in the US, please.
The problem will no longer exist when more and more cars with chargeport on various locations start using superchargers. A spot that's lost for a Tesla can be perfect for an ID.3, EV6 or Taycan. Nextmove tested it, when V3 charging was free for every non-Tesla EV due to a bug in the V3 software. They used almost all chargers at a new V3 Supercharger with Tycan, e-tron, Ampera e, etc. and it was not a big deal.
There has never been a need for longer charging cables up until now. And there's a good principle in technical design: don't over-design. A simple design is less prone to failure than a more complex one.
Because it's not Tesla's job to deal with the rest of the industry's design flaws. Longer cables means more resistance, cables lying on the ground, getting damaged/run over, etc.
@@CharlesGregory Having the charge point on the rear-right or in the nose is not a design flaw. It's a choice, equally valid to having it at the rear-left. (having it near the front door is a design flaw in my opinion) Tesla is not obligated to deal with cars having the charge point at the rear-right, it's a simple business decision whether the added revenue is worth the investment. Neither decision is 'wrong' from a moral or fairness standpoint.
Tesladrivers also have learn to park on other chargers. Esp. they have to learn behavior at free chargers. Btw. left side is wrong side. If two OEM cars are charging, no one is blocked at your example.
No left side is right side. out of the car and right to the charge port..... you don't want to go around the car...... Its like walking around the hos to the entrance door. They don't think
@@espenlimstrand4648 Come to germany and you will see what's the right side after a cyclist or car ripped off your charging cable on the so called "right side".
@@espenlimstrand4648 How about when you park in parallel to the street and want to charge? Either you park the car the wrong way around (shitty to get back to traffic) or run the cable around the car. Well... Why am I even commenting this - my e-tron has charging ports on the both sides.
@@rogerstarkey5390 Free=free of charge. Tesla drivers are like cancer in germany at Lidl, Aldi, Kaufland. Sitting in their cars and stealing free juice of real customers.
Great examples. I know here in the US this will be a long way off. Tesla should send out to every new charging account a PDF with the charging layouts and expectations. I hope the shared sites get treated properly. I always feel like a noob at Electrify America stations. They have stalls in both configurations but mostly in rows like the first set of superchargers. They always put the Chademo on the end with the charger facing the right rear or front left. Facepalm to me I always end up parking cross lines like the second stalls or at an angle. Thank goodness for Chademo adapter to extend the lines.
Maybe in the future Tesla can make their superchargers accessible from both sides, front and rear, so Teslas as well as other EVs with similar charging port placement to Tesla can park and charge on one side, and other EVs with charge port on the wrong side can park and charge on the other side.
It's funny how this isn't a problem for gasoline cars. Why are stalls not drive-thru? I'm wondering how I'm going to do this with my new model 3 with a trailer attached.
Tesla needs to extend the cables on charging stations for non tesla cars. Or only open op for cars with a charge port on the right side (the back left side/front right side). And maybee also only for cars that can prehead/charge really fast.
In a previous video i mentioned about using a extension cable, and your response was that it wouldn't work but also wouldn't be allowed, but I don't understand why, could you elaborate more on this. My thinking is that people would be able to buy a cable which they comnect to the charging port of the charger and then connect the other side to their car, of course power and the handshake would be need to be integrated into this extension cable. Could you please explain what is wrong with this as there doesn't seem to be any logical explanation why a manufacturer would be against it imo?
Should be a condition of entry to have the charge port on the left side to not block others. Amazing that the Tesla button (sending RF code) unlocks the port of the Weisswurstwagen.
If Tesla will open the charger for all brands I’ll park the way it’s right for my car. I’m not a slave for Tesla drivers. Actually Tesla’s are blocking for other cars;) It’s just dependent from what sight point you’re seeing this “problem”
I agree. That's a problem the charging station provider should deal with. If Tesla wants to earn money from all EVs they should also create charging locations which are not specific to one manufacturer.
So… the right side is the good side, and left side is the wrong side;) That’s actually my point: if you open a “shop” then think first how it works. But I think in practice there won’t be a problem now. Charging stations are almost empty these days.
Well I agree, Tesla should stop allowing cars with a chargeport at the other side asap. Then implement longer cables and then allowing the rest. Fair business.
Tesla and Nissan didn't make the first EV's but they did make the first EV's that were widely adopted. Why all the other manufacturers did not adopt the same port location as one of these brands thus making a standard port location is beyond ridiculous.
@@HenriZwols I know, but what did you expect me to say? Everyone has to adopt the Tesla location because that would get a million 'you're a Tesla fanboy' comments. Plenty of people say putting the charge port at the front is a bad place to put a charge port because a minor shunt could render the car unusable but personally I liked having the charge port at the front on the Golf GTE.
No, you're saying it wrong 4:43. You're not blocking 4B. You're only blocking 4B when a Tesla comes in. A PUBLIC Supercharger, is exactly that. Public. Many vehicles will visit with the "wrong" charging port side. This means every BMW can have another BMW next to it, and VW, etc.
@@rogerstarkey5390 No they picked a position which made the most sense from legal standpoint. Streetparking, right side is chosen so the cable doesn't stick out on the street. You would say just park the other way but It's illegal to park the other way in most European countries due to safety (blinding oncoming trafic with lights, can't see a bike or a car coming if another car is parked in front of you).
Think about in the Future Teslas will only be some in all the Cars charging at SuC Thus the bmw will Not Block someone as the Blocked Stall on the left 4b of the BMW can be used by another bmw/vw…
I wonder if parking companies will give parking tickets to thoes who park outside the lines at Tesla charging stations. Maby tesla will make effective parkinglines as you describe in the future
I think this is just a pilot program at the moment and V4 Superchargers will take into account differently placed ports and noobs drivers. Tesla just has to dial a bit back the clean minimal design. That apparently does not work for mixed audience, especially consider their own large Cybertruck and Semi.
According to Norwegian law, the last part charging posts are illegal, they have not complied with the law on universal design and therefor are discriminating against wheelchair users. The curb prevents the wheelchairs from reaching the chargers and 10% of parking spot should be sized with 4x6 meters. The sollution where you parked first are better then. But, Teslas are not the worst chargers, i have a lot of bad examles from other vendors, but the great part are that they are now fixing up and all new charging stations will be available for everyone. 🙂 A typical car for a wheelchair user are Mercedes EQV, E-Vito and the new vw id.bus i guess.
in Holiday season it will be a problem, and Tesla will only see that there are free stalls BUT not that there is no free parking place, or even if there is any, the wrong car would be the next in the line (as blocking stalls) and cannot use it, and it will be times when Tesla will be a wrong car :D
You know you say this is a "solution" I have to argue this is not. This is a massive inconvenience for all parties. Tesla and charger networks need LONGER Cables like wtf ? you can afford extra length if you got that many stalls. Normal Petrol stations have long enough hoses that can reach to the opposite side for a reason. For example like this!
...I don't remember ever seeing anyone fill up a car from the far side before. Everyone I recall pulls up to the pump with the filler door facing the pump, or if they get it wrong, like maybe they're in a rental car with the filler door on a different side then they're used to and they went from habit, they pull out, turn around, and then fill up. I'm not saying it can't be done, but it seems like a bit of a niche use case.
Also, longer cables have more disadvantages than cost. Longer electrical cables result in higher energy losses to heat, especially with DC power. Which means that for the same power delivery, your cooling equipment for the cables needs to be higher capacity, and your flow rate for the coolant loop around the cable needs to be higher, which means you need a thicker cable, either for higher diameter cooling channels, or stronger walled cooling channels to run coolant at higher pressure. This makes them heavier and more difficult to manoeuvre for people, even more so in cold temperatures, which gives a poorer user experience. You also have to worry more about people leaving part of the cable on the ground and having a tripping hazard, or them getting damaged by snow ploughs, or getting run over, or abrasion from getting dragged on the ground. The ground aspect can sort of be mitigated by having them suspended from retracting spring winches, but those can decrease reliability, and increase complexity of installation and maintenance. I have seen and used DC fast chargers with longer cables and, while I can see their utility, I think that where space allows, having charging layouts that allow for shorter cables (e.g.: a stall you can pull up to facing in either direction, or to one side or another without blocking another stall) are better than having chargers more tightly packed, but with longer cables that you're counting on people putting away properly. Lots of people don't even do that with air hoses for tire inflation stations, and those are a lot lighter and easier to manage.
Well looks like 4 of the 5 (really 6?) possible locations on the car are used by at least one car brand. You know what they say, "Standards are such a good thing that everyone should have their own".
What is the plan for this? As far as I can see all the chargers I've been to in Germany and Switzerland will have a major issue with VWs etc. parked on the 'wrong' side. Why isn't this being flagged as a huge problem? Especially at busy chargers . Bjorn, no one will respect your parking code
Unfortunately, 90% of drivers don't care about 'tips and tricks' or 'how to' videos on youtube. They'll just buy a car, stop at a charging station and plug in by any means necessary. This is life i'm afraid.
Correct. The kindness of EV owners will be gone soon. Already saw a new EV driver taking up a fastcharger at the local LIDL for over 4 hours. You're supposed to charge during shopping. Some dude just took it as a parking space, charges to 100% and fuck everyone else, right?
@@cremy3525 in my experience, they are fantastic though. Luckily I have the luxury of having a big battery car and home charging though. Obviously living in a flat and only being able to buy a used Leaf would be a different story! Let's not forget ICE cars will still be available for decades to come, on the used market. There's actually no pressure to swap.
The BMW has it on the right side, which is the wrong side. But the Tesla has it on the left side, which is the right side. So if you park it on the left side, it will be the wrong side. What you should do is to reverse on the right side, which will be the correct side.
why are the Tesla plugs are on the wrong site, the left site? how did this come. All public chargers on the streets walk ways are on the right, which looks more practicable. I think the left site is a a design fail and should not be aloud to used parallel to the street. Wonder what will happen, if a truck hits the plugged in cable.
Interesting dilemma that the choice to add short cables at Tesla superchargers to guide owners, except one scene in your video, correctly by default; is now limiting their ability to open to other EV’s. You BMV boys; not today son. 😏
The pace of opening net superchargers is noemt at all keeping pace with opening up existing superchargers to non-Tesla vehicles. So the simple fact is this is bad for Tesla customers who paid a premium for the access to this network and the convenience it provides. Wait until the cues will start forming at the superchargers and Tesla is sure to receive serious backlash from its customers. I’m quite sure this policy will be rolled back rather soon (after summer holiday when this will have been proved to be a bad decision)
Actually, BMW has the charge port on the right side which is the right side. Why? When you charge AC at typical roadside parking spots, the AC charger is on the pavement which is right to you from the drivers perspective. A Tesla in that situation will have the cable connector sticking out to the road and may catch bikers. The left side is just the wrong side in this scenario.
have you ever been in UK? Do you expect BMW to have charge port on left side there? Cable is heavy so pull under car and connector probably doesn't extend past the widest point of car anyway
@@asaha7547 Yes, I have been to the UK - many times... I know they drive on the left side which is not the right side... It also means you have to handle the stick, radio and climate with your left hand.
4:02
My Model 3 started smoking at the Supercharger too a few weeks back! I immediately terminated the charging session but when I got out, I noticed that it was just steam!
Apparently, the heat pump can let off some steam when cooling the battery…
Nothing to worry about according to tesla forums
I had a lot of steam from our Model 3, on our Norwegian road trip over new year. Nothing too bad I guess
White = Steam, water drops
Black = Smoke, stuff burning, danger.
Ok, so I was expecting a beautifully executed handbrake turn into the charging location.
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This IS going to be a problem. Kudos for you trying to teach people though. Ruined cables for stretching them, blocking other cars and so on.
Yes, we Tesla drivers rely on the number of "free stalls" that our navigation is telling us real time. So could be quite annoying to see you cannot charge because another car(s) is/are blocking 2 stalls while using one.
@@Maarten_vd that piss me off to no end
Wasn’t it that Tesla was so straightforward and easy in using? Now we have to follow a training how to use a charger because Tesla drivers are scared loosing their charging spot? I think the problem is with Tesla by designing a wrong kind of charger.
@@pilotandthecity8527 The chargers are designed better than anything else. For example, after you plug in your car, there is no need for RFC, apps of other ways of payment. So you plug in the charger and thats it. The supercharger network recognizes your car and you dont have to do anything. Tesla will dedict it from your account. Things all other charging stations in the world could learn from.
Then the cables, they are designed in such a way that they will not touch the ground ever, even if they are not plugged in properly. This ensures the cable stays clean and is relyable without being dependant on behaviour of end users. Thats good design.
Car manufacturers all have the choise implementing the chargeport at the same side as the mayority of the EV's. (or implement it on both sides). It's not Tesla's responsibility. Honestly, other EV owners should be gratefull Tesla is opening their network for them.
@@pilotandthecity8527 Couldn’t agree more. Tesla should adopt to european standard, exactly like they did when they introduced the Tesla 3 with CCS. I dont see any difference with this issue.
While Elon always said superchargers were intended to become a public charging network, Tesla did design the stalls for one single charging port position. Even with your reco, it will turn out as a mess.
Exactly you think people will be doing all this
@@rogerstarkey5390 let's hope next gen ev solve this problem
@@rogerstarkey5390 Come on. There are like 5 options for locating a charging port. How hard is that to design a universal charger ? Even Ionity managed that while the charger itself works poorly. And sorry, but alternate EVs have been in the picture since 2010. So Tesla could have figured out the problem ages ago. They just didn't care and here is the result : Their brand will suffer from this especially if their car owners start suffering from that mess.
@@rogerstarkey5390 why tesla modify not other car manufacturers? tesla could very well say well guess what this is proprietary and shut it down to other car manufacturers if push came to shove....not in their best interest but they very well could
Yes. It's quite strange that Tesla didn't have have this in mind when they designed their chargers.
So if Tesla wants to open for other manufacturers they'll just have to introduce longer cables.
Exactly, if Tesla had done that at the start we wouldn't have this problem, they must have thought about sharing their network early on.
That guy at the beginning standing charging his Tesla acts like he’s pumping gas 😂
I don't really get the fuss about where to park. If the parking space is occupied, it is occupied. If a Tesla charges at any other charger with two DC cables and uses the left charging spot, a Taycan or another Tesla can probably also not charge the car. Cars with charge port on the left, should start filling up the SuC from the right, cars with charger port on the right side should start from the left. In the worst case scenario one stall can not be used. If Tesla sees a problem, they should fix it and do as all other charger manufacturers and create locations/chargers where the cable reaches all positions.
Exactly. Tesla's don't have priority on SuC so there's really no reason to say that it's the BMW's fault for standing "wrong".
this is the ovious solution - there should be signs illustrating this solution: have a port on the right: start here, teslas and ports on left: start there
That won't work in V2 chargers because of shared stalls. If everyone starts from the same side they will all get shared stalls.
I'm going to park where there is a free spot and so should everybody else. No need to overcomplicate stuff and make up problems.
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For Tesla the left side might be the right side but only for Tesla!
All others chargers that I have ever used esp. on public roads in central Europe benefit from having the charge port on the right side.
And If Tesla opens their charging network they need to adjust to allow other cars to use the chargers ad well. Like ionity and the likes - charging for everyone possible. Or simply change the cables...
Most of these charging issues can be resolved with a bit of courtesy, respect, and common sense. It's going to be chaos!
In my experience BMW drivers have courtesy, respect, and common sense in abundance..... ;)
Strongly disagree with you.
You have a BMW, so on a V2 supercharger you should specifically park on stall A to block stall B, so you don’t share power ! Assume the BMW badge ! :)
This is why Tesla is trialing other manufacturer charging in Norway. Over there people are actually considerate of other people's situations. Even if we had the CCS connectors here in the U.S. most folks couldn't be bothered to even think about how their decisions affect others and would park how they please, usually in the most inconvenient manner possible. It's all about "personal rights" here, which translates to "I won't do anything which makes your life easier."
I do think that you wil find that cars have the fuel (charging) flap on the right side because if you run out of juice on the autobahn, you would not like to be standing out in the 100 km/h++ tracfic while you fill up from a jerrycan! 🙂
UK people will disagree 😊
Cool to see how Tesla sets up the superchargers in different formats. In Canada, specifically toronto, I’ve only see one format where the superchargers are lined up along the back side of the parking lot, all evenly spaced. Hopefully we can get some of these different layouts that will help with things like different cars, carrying bike racks on the back, and others
They should teach people in the app
Certainly a useful video for Bimmer drivers. Nevertheless, I foresee complete chaos ... How on earth should all other non-Tesla drivers figure out the correct way of parking their EVs at Tesla superchargers?
Had the same problem with my eGolf, luckily there were enough stalls available.
Yes, phat E-tron will be a mess at Superchargers, but the Taycan is good for Tesla Superchargers. The DC fast charge port is on the front right side, so you just park it facing the opposite direction of how you would park a Tesla.
This “confusion” happens at fossil fueling stations as well. The correct side is not standardized.
There is no correct side. Fossil cars can be left or right because this way you can fit cars on both sides of the pump. This is per design and makes it much more efficient. i.e. Mercedes splits their ICE models in left and right side as well, so you get an even split at a gas station. This is on prupose and has nothing to do with confusion.
@@rogerstarkey5390 Tesla have had ample of time to change the design of their chargers throughout the years. Besides, the discussion here were about fuel stations, not charging networks.
@@Glomby Not all gas stations are made the same. Several near me are only practical as one-way entry/exit at certain times. And people don't always park close enough to the pump to allow traffic between the two lines of pumps. When it is busy there are often idle pumps forward of the person with the really large tank or the one who needs a candy bar and a soda, or the one who has to pay in cash.
To use the idle pump, one would need to go around the line at the entrance on the less busy street, go around the corner onto the busy street with the narrower lanes, slowly edge into the lot, and then do a 4 or 5 point turn in the small space in order to reverse into the idle pump.
@@cremy3525 They don't use cables, they use hoses, and they are everywhere. It is very rare to find a pump that has the arm that lifts the extra long hose over your car so that it doesn't harm the paint. And those don't work with pickups and commercial vehicles. Speaking of commercial vehicles, often those have the fuel port behind the driver's door. With an extended wheelbase, those can take up two pumps.
This reminds me of the people at Costco that pull the gas nozzle into the middle "pass-through" lane, standing there blocking cars from moving because their inlet is on the opposite side of the pump.
I think we're going to need longer cables
A UK provider, MFG, started installing 150kW eVolts at forecourts (good sites actually) but with very short cables. Commendably they listened to feedback and retrofitted much longer cables, I expect it won’t look pretty on the current Supercharger design but it will probably have to happen if Tesla becomes an energy supplier to all (which it probably has to in order to maintain access to new grid opportunities).
Longer cable make sense from ease of use for non Tesla users, but longer cables = more resistance losses in cable so everyone will pay a bit more. Clearly the original short cable design was done for Teslas only to maximise charging efficiency. The faster you charge at a given voltage, the greater these losses will be since losses are proportional to the square of the charging current. There are also similar losses in the car itself before the battery, which is why what you see as delivered electricity on the charger can be quite a bit more than what actually goes into your battery
Yes. Longer cables will solve the problem in one of the charger locations atleast.
@@thegores34 True, though it’s probably not enough to not put longer cables on. Greater utilisation, customer base and regulatory wins will offset a few kW (and EV uptake acceleration will help account for small increase in wastage)
Yes show us with fat etron 😀I don't want to run in trouble with Tesla drivers
No need to charge at Supercharger in second row for expensive prices and shxx app, if you can charge in first row with easy RFID for good prices. Btw. V2 is slow. And with sharing power? No, sorry.
@@alphafoxtrot2100 Great, one less stall taken :)
@@Maarten_vd You're welcome
Yes, we want to see Fat E-Tron trying to charge!
In the US, superchargers you have to back in to are centered with respect to the parking spot. Parking with an offset to the charger will infringe on the next parking spot so do NOT do that in the US, please.
You just need to park between wherever the lines are painted. In this video, its obviously difficult to see them on a snow covered ground.
Well in the US tesla have their own proprietary charge port so no problem there, no other car models can charge there.
The problem will no longer exist when more and more cars with chargeport on various locations start using superchargers. A spot that's lost for a Tesla can be perfect for an ID.3, EV6 or Taycan. Nextmove tested it, when V3 charging was free for every non-Tesla EV due to a bug in the V3 software. They used almost all chargers at a new V3 Supercharger with Tycan, e-tron, Ampera e, etc. and it was not a big deal.
All of the issues would be sorted by installing longer charging cables. Struggling to see why they don't just do that.
because of the higher resistance with a longer cable because 250KW is actually a massive amount of power
There has never been a need for longer charging cables up until now. And there's a good principle in technical design: don't over-design. A simple design is less prone to failure than a more complex one.
Because it's not Tesla's job to deal with the rest of the industry's design flaws. Longer cables means more resistance, cables lying on the ground, getting damaged/run over, etc.
@@CharlesGregory Having the charge point on the rear-right or in the nose is not a design flaw. It's a choice, equally valid to having it at the rear-left. (having it near the front door is a design flaw in my opinion)
Tesla is not obligated to deal with cars having the charge point at the rear-right, it's a simple business decision whether the added revenue is worth the investment. Neither decision is 'wrong' from a moral or fairness standpoint.
I won’t have any problems positioning my leaf as the charge flap is in the centre of the car 👍
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No ChadeMo on SuC.....no I've been Leafed.
@@moestrei There are CCS2 retrofits.
Op op op oppa Kempower style
worst case you’re potentially halving capacity at superchargers if every car is blocking another stall. Thats nicht gut
Tesladrivers also have learn to park on other chargers. Esp. they have to learn behavior at free chargers. Btw. left side is wrong side. If two OEM cars are charging, no one is blocked at your example.
No left side is right side. out of the car and right to the charge port..... you don't want to go around the car...... Its like walking around the hos to the entrance door. They don't think
@@espenlimstrand4648 Exactly
@@espenlimstrand4648 Come to germany and you will see what's the right side after a cyclist or car ripped off your charging cable on the so called "right side".
@@espenlimstrand4648 How about when you park in parallel to the street and want to charge? Either you park the car the wrong way around (shitty to get back to traffic) or run the cable around the car.
Well... Why am I even commenting this - my e-tron has charging ports on the both sides.
@@rogerstarkey5390 Free=free of charge. Tesla drivers are like cancer in germany at Lidl, Aldi, Kaufland. Sitting in their cars and stealing free juice of real customers.
Please make this video series for other cars as well, now that superchargers are open to all cars
No point in that...people need to use brains...and only one charging spot
@@210memphis this only works if some brain is available, a rare condition these times…
Great examples. I know here in the US this will be a long way off. Tesla should send out to every new charging account a PDF with the charging layouts and expectations. I hope the shared sites get treated properly.
I always feel like a noob at Electrify America stations. They have stalls in both configurations but mostly in rows like the first set of superchargers. They always put the Chademo on the end with the charger facing the right rear or front left. Facepalm to me I always end up parking cross lines like the second stalls or at an angle. Thank goodness for Chademo adapter to extend the lines.
well, PSA cars have the charge port on the left side which is the right side :)
Looking forward trying this with our e-Up! Should be no problem with the length of the car. When available in Germany... someday..
Longer cables, cable extension or more space between the chargers. Many bigger cars will soon start charging there and Tesla truck?
I dont think there will be much complaining until there is a fair amount of Ladestau
Maybe in the future Tesla can make their superchargers accessible from both sides, front and rear, so Teslas as well as other EVs with similar charging port placement to Tesla can park and charge on one side, and other EVs with charge port on the wrong side can park and charge on the other side.
It's funny how this isn't a problem for gasoline cars. Why are stalls not drive-thru? I'm wondering how I'm going to do this with my new model 3 with a trailer attached.
Actually the 2 middle stalls are too close together in the first video clip
Tesla needs to extend the cables on charging stations for non tesla cars. Or only open op for cars with a charge port on the right side (the back left side/front right side). And maybee also only for cars that can prehead/charge really fast.
In a previous video i mentioned about using a extension cable, and your response was that it wouldn't work but also wouldn't be allowed, but I don't understand why, could you elaborate more on this. My thinking is that people would be able to buy a cable which they comnect to the charging port of the charger and then connect the other side to their car, of course power and the handshake would be need to be integrated into this extension cable. Could you please explain what is wrong with this as there doesn't seem to be any logical explanation why a manufacturer would be against it imo?
It's all about common sense... No problem with this layout. Many SuC are parallel, that is more difficult.
So Tesla designed stupidly short charging cords on ALL their Superchargers. That's the problem.
They are working just fine for all Tesla’s 👍
What is they make the cable a little longer and all cars can park with the charger in the middle. Could charge left, right and front (parked forward).
Yes please do a video with fat e-tron. I would like to see how this could work 👍
Should be a condition of entry to have the charge port on the left side to not block others. Amazing that the Tesla button (sending RF code) unlocks the port of the Weisswurstwagen.
Those chargers have TWO cables! Double charging? You have to park really close!
If Tesla will open the charger for all brands I’ll park the way it’s right for my car. I’m not a slave for Tesla drivers. Actually Tesla’s are blocking for other cars;)
It’s just dependent from what sight point you’re seeing this “problem”
I agree. That's a problem the charging station provider should deal with. If Tesla wants to earn money from all EVs they should also create charging locations which are not specific to one manufacturer.
So… the right side is the good side, and left side is the wrong side;)
That’s actually my point: if you open a “shop” then think first how it works. But I think in practice there won’t be a problem now. Charging stations are almost empty these days.
Well I agree, Tesla should stop allowing cars with a chargeport at the other side asap. Then implement longer cables and then allowing the rest. Fair business.
@@Maarten_vd and actually you’re right!
Really wish Tesla looks for a solution to this problem because this is for sure going to be a mess on busy days!
That's why they have a pilot in Norway.
Tesla and Nissan didn't make the first EV's but they did make the first EV's that were widely adopted.
Why all the other manufacturers did not adopt the same port location as one of these brands thus making a standard port location is beyond ridiculous.
Nissan and Tesla used different port locations so you didn't have a standard to begin with.
@@HenriZwols I know, but what did you expect me to say? Everyone has to adopt the Tesla location because that would get a million 'you're a Tesla fanboy' comments.
Plenty of people say putting the charge port at the front is a bad place to put a charge port because a minor shunt could render the car unusable but personally I liked having the charge port at the front on the Golf GTE.
You should make a video in norwegian, some people needs this information in with tea spoon
No, you're saying it wrong 4:43. You're not blocking 4B. You're only blocking 4B when a Tesla comes in. A PUBLIC Supercharger, is exactly that. Public. Many vehicles will visit with the "wrong" charging port side. This means every BMW can have another BMW next to it, and VW, etc.
Surely the industry could have worked together on a standard placement for the charging point, plug type and resulting infrastructure.
@@rogerstarkey5390 No they picked a position which made the most sense from legal standpoint. Streetparking, right side is chosen so the cable doesn't stick out on the street. You would say just park the other way but It's illegal to park the other way in most European countries due to safety (blinding oncoming trafic with lights, can't see a bike or a car coming if another car is parked in front of you).
....and location of the first responder loop.
@@agemmm A number of countries drive on the left side. The mix is just stupid.
Charge port on both sides is the solution however it is twice the cost.
@@deancarter4003 It will never happen.
Yes about etron and also how would you sort this out with a BMW at Nemenes (right spelling?). 👍
Think about in the Future Teslas will only be some in all the Cars charging at SuC
Thus the bmw will Not Block someone as the Blocked Stall on the left 4b of the BMW can be used by another bmw/vw…
Idle fee for blocked space.
I wonder if parking companies will give parking tickets to thoes who park outside the lines at Tesla charging stations. Maby tesla will make effective parkinglines as you describe in the future
tesla need to put longer cabels on there chargers if they want to open up for other brands.
yes, ph4t etron video pls!
I think this is just a pilot program at the moment and V4 Superchargers will take into account differently placed ports and noobs drivers. Tesla just has to dial a bit back the clean minimal design. That apparently does not work for mixed audience, especially consider their own large Cybertruck and Semi.
This is going to be an utter nightmare for any site where the superchargers are at the end of evenly spaced bay parking.
It seems to me the charging cables at superchargers are too short.
HI Bjørn, thanks for the video. I am waiting for my Mach-e to arrive soon. How I should pay if I will use Tesla charger???
According to Norwegian law, the last part charging posts are illegal, they have not complied with the law on universal design and therefor are discriminating against wheelchair users. The curb prevents the wheelchairs from reaching the chargers and 10% of parking spot should be sized with 4x6 meters.
The sollution where you parked first are better then.
But, Teslas are not the worst chargers, i have a lot of bad examles from other vendors, but the great part are that they are now fixing up and all new charging stations will be available for everyone. 🙂
A typical car for a wheelchair user are Mercedes EQV, E-Vito and the new vw id.bus i guess.
in Holiday season it will be a problem, and Tesla will only see that there are free stalls BUT not that there is no free parking place, or even if there is any, the wrong car would be the next in the line (as blocking stalls) and cannot use it, and it will be times when Tesla will be a wrong car :D
You know you say this is a "solution" I have to argue this is not. This is a massive inconvenience for all parties. Tesla and charger networks need LONGER Cables like wtf ? you can afford extra length if you got that many stalls.
Normal Petrol stations have long enough hoses that can reach to the opposite side for a reason. For example like this!
...I don't remember ever seeing anyone fill up a car from the far side before. Everyone I recall pulls up to the pump with the filler door facing the pump, or if they get it wrong, like maybe they're in a rental car with the filler door on a different side then they're used to and they went from habit, they pull out, turn around, and then fill up. I'm not saying it can't be done, but it seems like a bit of a niche use case.
Also, longer cables have more disadvantages than cost. Longer electrical cables result in higher energy losses to heat, especially with DC power. Which means that for the same power delivery, your cooling equipment for the cables needs to be higher capacity, and your flow rate for the coolant loop around the cable needs to be higher, which means you need a thicker cable, either for higher diameter cooling channels, or stronger walled cooling channels to run coolant at higher pressure. This makes them heavier and more difficult to manoeuvre for people, even more so in cold temperatures, which gives a poorer user experience. You also have to worry more about people leaving part of the cable on the ground and having a tripping hazard, or them getting damaged by snow ploughs, or getting run over, or abrasion from getting dragged on the ground. The ground aspect can sort of be mitigated by having them suspended from retracting spring winches, but those can decrease reliability, and increase complexity of installation and maintenance. I have seen and used DC fast chargers with longer cables and, while I can see their utility, I think that where space allows, having charging layouts that allow for shorter cables (e.g.: a stall you can pull up to facing in either direction, or to one side or another without blocking another stall) are better than having chargers more tightly packed, but with longer cables that you're counting on people putting away properly. Lots of people don't even do that with air hoses for tire inflation stations, and those are a lot lighter and easier to manage.
Well looks like 4 of the 5 (really 6?) possible locations on the car are used by at least one car brand. You know what they say, "Standards are such a good thing that everyone should have their own".
Seems totally logical to me.
What is the plan for this? As far as I can see all the chargers I've been to in Germany and Switzerland will have a major issue with VWs etc. parked on the 'wrong' side. Why isn't this being flagged as a huge problem? Especially at busy chargers . Bjorn, no one will respect your parking code
Luckily, you are near the the state road administration so you can refer this issue to a higher authority.
Jeg tror du har glemt en ting med mustang mach-e det er meldings tone å ringe tone
Thanks a lot for that educational and fun video!
LHD Charging Port The Right Side.
RHD Charging Port The Left Side.
or that the charging point should be on the roof ?😎
Fortunately, with my Ioniq 28, I have the charge port on the left side, which is the right side. Not on the right side, which is the wrong side :-)
Hi TB, on some stalls I see two cables. How do you park to give room for both?
Only one cable can be used at a time.
Unfortunately, 90% of drivers don't care about 'tips and tricks' or 'how to' videos on youtube. They'll just buy a car, stop at a charging station and plug in by any means necessary. This is life i'm afraid.
Correct. The kindness of EV owners will be gone soon. Already saw a new EV driver taking up a fastcharger at the local LIDL for over 4 hours. You're supposed to charge during shopping. Some dude just took it as a parking space, charges to 100% and fuck everyone else, right?
@@cremy3525 in my experience, they are fantastic though. Luckily I have the luxury of having a big battery car and home charging though. Obviously living in a flat and only being able to buy a used Leaf would be a different story!
Let's not forget ICE cars will still be available for decades to come, on the used market. There's actually no pressure to swap.
@@briankavanagh7191 Nope.
Why do some tesla chargers have two cables? Why other only one cable.
Tesla Should really just open for cars with port on the left side…
Imagine when all’s the stalls are occupied…
So you want Tesla to discriminate users based on the location of their charging port? That would be an interesting lawsuit
@@edipires15 discriminate?!😂
Are you serious?
Good luck with that lawsuit outside the corrupt USA….
Or permit cars with port on the right side to charge only at outier stalls where they are not a problem for others cars.
;) ;) sell bmw, buy tesla, fits perfect... ;) ;) no, thx for this information, like always, likeable...
The BMW has it on the right side, which is the wrong side. But the Tesla has it on the left side, which is the right side. So if you park it on the left side, it will be the wrong side. What you should do is to reverse on the right side, which will be the correct side.
Right side is wrong side
*Hearing non native English speaker screams from corner
When are you trying merc EQB 😁 ?
BMW can change their design.
I hope tje german cara does not block the Superchargers
why are the Tesla plugs are on the wrong site, the left site? how did this come. All public chargers on the streets walk ways are on the right, which looks more practicable. I think the left site is a a design fail and should not be aloud to used parallel to the street. Wonder what will happen, if a truck hits the plugged in cable.
Good video!
I did not know that there were numbers on the charger. never superchared my tesla before.
Only tesla have chargeport on left side which is the wrong side.
i think this is gonna be a problem..people are just assholes and they will make problems and not care about other people in need of a charge..
All this will be solved once Tesla incorporate a thirdparty charging cable, that's hanging off from the top as a fishingpole xD
I guess the algorithm will group the cars with the charging port on the "wrong" side.
Need some ccs extensions.
Not possible, no locking and no liquid cooling.
Try with MG ZS EV
Oncle Bjørn, Kindergarten Daddy 😄
Interesting dilemma that the choice to add short cables at Tesla superchargers to guide owners, except one scene in your video, correctly by default; is now limiting their ability to open to other EV’s. You BMV boys; not today son. 😏
Looking forward to UK Superchargers being available to non-Tesla cars.
Tesla should make the charging cables longer…
Why?
It’s not teslas problem that bmw and other have the port on wrong side 😅
I think i need to make a new company! EV parking company! Must be a good future business :D
Is there a such thing as a extension cable for these?
No
The pace of opening net superchargers is noemt at all keeping pace with opening up existing superchargers to non-Tesla vehicles. So the simple fact is this is bad for Tesla customers who paid a premium for the access to this network and the convenience it provides. Wait until the cues will start forming at the superchargers and Tesla is sure to receive serious backlash from its customers. I’m quite sure this policy will be rolled back rather soon (after summer holiday when this will have been proved to be a bad decision)
Actually, BMW has the charge port on the right side which is the right side.
Why?
When you charge AC at typical roadside parking spots, the AC charger is on the pavement which is right to you from the drivers perspective.
A Tesla in that situation will have the cable connector sticking out to the road and may catch bikers. The left side is just the wrong side in this scenario.
have you ever been in UK? Do you expect BMW to have charge port on left side there? Cable is heavy so pull under car and connector probably doesn't extend past the widest point of car anyway
@@asaha7547 Yes, I have been to the UK - many times...
I know they drive on the left side which is not the right side...
It also means you have to handle the stick, radio and climate with your left hand.
Maybe Road Side is the Right Side? 🤔