A lot of people didn't get it because video gamers were mostly 12 to 15-year-olds at the time, Even at my age it is still hard to wrap my head around this story, and the MGS story as a whole.
Damn, more than a decade later and still relevant. Expert storytelling. The panama papers, one source of uncontrolled information. I can guarantee the [patriots] didn't want that publicized.
Even the child soldier phenomena is still relavent, as well as the deconstruction of killing in general, even if it is for the good of all, and especially if one is forced to do so (the dead have names you know)
Even the child soldier phenomena is still relavent, as well as the deconstruction of killing in general, even if it is for the good of all, and especially if one is forced to do so (the dead have names you know)
I played this game when it first came out. The chills it gives me today are actually *STRONGER* than the chills it gave me 20 years ago. This game was basically prophetic for its time
"The overall system isn't complete. It still lacks the necessary factors for judging situations. I heard they were planning a major experiment in the next few days to provide complex data for GW to study, and suddenly all this happens." That is the most chill inducing thing to listen to after beating the game.
Because the game IS the experiment. More specifically, the events of the game are controlled variables added by the Patriots to test whether they could manipulate an individual to reach a certain outcome.
When Emma says "and suddenly all this happens," it's the game's way of subtly alluding to the fact that the experiment is already being carried out and you're the test subject, but that probably won't occur to anyone who hasn't beaten the game (when the Colonel AI reveals the truth in the very last codec conversation).
I was too young to fully grasp what was happening in MGS2 when I first played it. But now that I see it again, it's very impressive. Why do so many people say MGS2 sucks? *Is it their own "truth" conjured up in their pond?*
Same with me. I played this as a kid too and back then I didn't like this game. But as I grew older and began to understand things from more abstract and surreal perspectives, I got that this game is a clever way for kojima to directly tell us about where human society is heading.
They mostly say it because of Raiden. The story itself is very layered and deep, but they flat out lied about who you would be playing as, even did palette swaps for the trailers to make it look like you were playing as snake in the scenes you were playing as raiden.
0:58 talks about the space defense, tax reductions & national missle defense in Nov 13, 2001. Even talks about a "Trump Card" LoL I love MGS. Especially the 1st one.
"Everyone withdraws into a small gated community afraid of a larger forum. They stay inside their little ponds leaking whatever truth suits them to the growing cesspool of society at large"- so basically internet trolls and keyboard warriors in a nutshell
It was this game that really opened my eyes to the greater evil running this country. I always had some idea that there had to be some clandestine group really in control. Crazy good, seemed pretty convoluted at certain points, but the game goes deep.
Except the game's ending itself makes it clear that there is no clandestine group controlling our country, but rather our country is controlled by its culture and systems. The founding fathers created the rules of our country, and those rules continue to shape us just as we shape them. The election system and political culture of our country decide who will be president, elections are merely a method of asking our systems and culture who they choose to fill that role. What is passed by congress is not chosen by individual members of congress nor by the people of the united states, but by the rules of congress and the culture of those within its chambers. You accepted the convenient half truths the game gave you, and not wanting to accept facts that contradict what you already believe, you ignored what you were later presented.
Actually I always felt the "la le Lou lei lo" was a reference to what Emma mentioned to Raiden, about how much information could be suppressed if there were originally 5 more letters in the alphabet than we currently have. Well, "la le lou lei lo" would constitute that, as it's essentially all the standard English vowels with the addition of an "L". With that there could essentially be another language within our language decipherable using "lalelouleilo" as a code/decode key, a kind of "crypto linguistics".... I wanted to see Kohima do more with this concept, but as far as I know he seemed to drop it. Imagine entire chapters worth of material from well known books like Moby Dick or The Bible that suddenly come into existence with the addition of "laleluleilo", or the same text but with an entirely new & different meaning to it once the codec is applied. ....Spooky stuff.
Idk why I always remember these lines: 8:50 "The connecting elevator is located on the B2 Floor of the Shell 1 Core." 9:30 "So now, Anti-Metal Gears are guarding a Metal Gear!?"
"It's not your fault Emma...I mean, if it wasn't for the terrorists." Something about the phrase "if it wasn't for the terrorists" is fucking hilarious to me
as is the proliferation of child soldiers and why excess murder can cause ptsd (snake suffers from this so much that by mgs4, a 100% stress level will cause him to vomit)
I don't think so. It can easily be rounded up as some conspiracy shit and that'd be the end of it. And it doesn't have the influence some singer or whatever would have on the masses so there's no need to "control" him or what he writes for the games he works on. There's no reason to separate from him as well. It isn't like it's a news company or anything. Actually, those all tend to be owned and controlled by the same groups or persons. Mass media, I mean. Their reports are written in advance by some company who has interests in lies and propaganda, and several (even dozens) different news reports will tell the same thing in the same way, sometimes even word for word (“This is extremely dangerous to our democracy.”).
those AI's are ruthlessly rational there are no irrational feelings or emotions in them. logically i agree with everything they said but they leave no room for individuality/irrational human will. they have tried to change the chaotic nature of the world to a more unified world by trying to control the irrational individual will but despite the nobility of their goal they have failed at the end as told by big boss in MGS4 to solid at the end " for all our advances in nanotechnology , information and genetic control they have never managed to control people at will let alone turn one person totally to another"
otacon left because he blamed himself for his fathers death because his mom seduced him his father found out and killed himself after that he left because he dishonored himself
I really don't remember the part with the President admitting he was working with the terrorists for absolute power. Very weird, I must have finished this game over a hundred times too. I remember everything else. Which version is this taken from?
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this game was and still is ahead of its time.
+abdulqudz89 I know if it came out today it still would be very impressive
Jesus Requena these codec conversations are still relevant. So, yes, MGS2 was ahead of it's time.
No... We're there now.
Way ahead
A lot of people didn't get it because video gamers were mostly 12 to 15-year-olds at the time, Even at my age it is still hard to wrap my head around this story, and the MGS story as a whole.
Damn, more than a decade later and still relevant. Expert storytelling.
The panama papers, one source of uncontrolled information. I can guarantee the [patriots] didn't want that publicized.
Even the child soldier phenomena is still relavent, as well as the deconstruction of killing in general, even if it is for the good of all, and especially if one is forced to do so (the dead have names you know)
Even the child soldier phenomena is still relavent, as well as the deconstruction of killing in general, even if it is for the good of all, and especially if one is forced to do so (the dead have names you know)
@JezBollah 667 Shove your nazi propaganda where the sun don't shine.
@JezBollah 667 nah, im 14th Generation Holocaust Survivor Mr Rabbi Shekel
You may as well just post every codec call in the game.
+Nobody How long would that turn out to be?
+MrGreenMineral probably too long, so much information i might have a brain overload.
your profile pic is scary as fuck. sekeleton campbell already scared me as a teen
@@stardust6004 "Our beloved monsters"
@@stardust6004 I NEED SCISSORS, 61!
This game was ahead of its time. What the hell!!
it's funny that Solidus was kinda like the good guy.
+JBXyooj He wanted to destroy The Patriots
imagine Solidus as the Severus Snape of Metal Gear. In the end, he's kind of the anti-hero.
+Sam Felix More of an Anti-Villain.
+50Animator true, cuz he did some really fucked up shit
+Sam Felix What made Snape an anti-hero exactly?
Those G.W conversations are scary :-(
Diamond Doujinshi This scared the shit out of me as a kid when I first played this game.
Diamond Doujinshi “i need scissors, 61!
And yet despite that, the JD conversation during the Solidus fight was even creepier.
Diamond Doujinshi for real tho
I played this game when it first came out. The chills it gives me today are actually *STRONGER* than the chills it gave me 20 years ago. This game was basically prophetic for its time
"- I wanted to wield the power of a king, instead of being an expendable pawn
- And that justifies acts of terrorism?
- Yes!"
"The overall system isn't complete. It still lacks the necessary factors for judging situations. I heard they were planning a major experiment in the next few days to provide complex data for GW to study, and suddenly all this happens." That is the most chill inducing thing to listen to after beating the game.
Very chilling.
Big Slammo I apologize, but you think you can explain why it's so chilling?
Because the game IS the experiment. More specifically, the events of the game are controlled variables added by the Patriots to test whether they could manipulate an individual to reach a certain outcome.
When Emma says "and suddenly all this happens," it's the game's way of subtly alluding to the fact that the experiment is already being carried out and you're the test subject, but that probably won't occur to anyone who hasn't beaten the game (when the Colonel AI reveals the truth in the very last codec conversation).
Big Slammo oh wow, I never thought of that. The Raiden mission def was the experiment then
MGS main character dialogue:
50% actually useful shit
50% repeating words but in the form of a question
I was too young to fully grasp what was happening in MGS2 when I first played it. But now that I see it again, it's very impressive.
Why do so many people say MGS2 sucks? *Is it their own "truth" conjured up in their pond?*
because you play as raiden not snake thats why people say it sucks
Same with me. I played this as a kid too and back then I didn't like this game. But as I grew older and began to understand things from more abstract and surreal perspectives, I got that this game is a clever way for kojima to directly tell us about where human society is heading.
Those people are out of their mind. Mgs2 is a masterpiece. Like dawg it's OD.
They mostly say it because of Raiden. The story itself is very layered and deep, but they flat out lied about who you would be playing as, even did palette swaps for the trailers to make it look like you were playing as snake in the scenes you were playing as raiden.
Because they don't like Raiden.. I don't mean to insult anyone but if they don't like Raiden they probably don't understand the game
13:00 Catfishing predicted in 2001
Funniest part, Rose is one aswell.
that last conversation. the older i get, the more i understand, the more I think about it.
This game predicted the future
The most conspirational mgs of all time, the codec calls were the most interesting of all mgs :D , i didn't want to press x in any of them :)
they got rid of cutscenes in MGSTPP.
I hope Metal Gear makes a resurgence into the mainstream in a good way. It’s a great way to stimulate critical thinking
"Our beloved monsters....enjoy yourselfs"
The trump and Clinton election was nice show patriots
hearing these codec calls while headed to work feeling like a flowchart drone.
la-le-lu-li-lo
LA-LI-LU-LE-LO
L A-L I-L U-L E-L O
everything about this game is the world today. the patriots? sounds like the illuminati to me
Nicco G sounds EXACTLY like them.
+Nicco G rothschils...rockefellas... yes youre right... its a mather of time until they create a real metal gear
+Antropófago Zulú they already have child soldier proliferation
+Antropófago Zulú
I'll destroy it.
No shit
Best youtube video description ever ^^
James Hinde o
Had to go and check it XD hahaha
*WHATEVER.*
-Raiden.
"..."
- Raiden
0:58 talks about the space defense, tax reductions & national missle defense in Nov 13, 2001. Even talks about a "Trump Card" LoL I love MGS. Especially the 1st one.
The MGS2 drinking game: Take a drink every time Raiden says "Huh?"
"Everyone withdraws into a small gated community afraid of a larger forum. They stay inside their little ponds leaking whatever truth suits them to the growing cesspool of society at large"- so basically internet trolls and keyboard warriors in a nutshell
It was this game that really opened my eyes to the greater evil running this country. I always had some idea that there had to be some clandestine group really in control. Crazy good, seemed pretty convoluted at certain points, but the game goes deep.
Bruh do you actually believe this in game conspiracy lmao
@@ohboi2119 are you dense?
Except the game's ending itself makes it clear that there is no clandestine group controlling our country, but rather our country is controlled by its culture and systems.
The founding fathers created the rules of our country, and those rules continue to shape us just as we shape them. The election system and political culture of our country decide who will be president, elections are merely a method of asking our systems and culture who they choose to fill that role. What is passed by congress is not chosen by individual members of congress nor by the people of the united states, but by the rules of congress and the culture of those within its chambers.
You accepted the convenient half truths the game gave you, and not wanting to accept facts that contradict what you already believe, you ignored what you were later presented.
it took me ten plus years to find out that the reason they say la le lou lei lo instead of patriots is because it has been blocked out of their brains
Actually I always felt the "la le Lou lei lo" was a reference to what Emma mentioned to Raiden, about how much information could be suppressed if there were originally 5 more letters in the alphabet than we currently have. Well, "la le lou lei lo" would constitute that, as it's essentially all the standard English vowels with the addition of an "L". With that there could essentially be another language within our language decipherable using "lalelouleilo" as a code/decode key, a kind of "crypto linguistics".... I wanted to see Kohima do more with this concept, but as far as I know he seemed to drop it. Imagine entire chapters worth of material from well known books like Moby Dick or The Bible that suddenly come into existence with the addition of "laleluleilo", or the same text but with an entirely new & different meaning to it once the codec is applied. ....Spooky stuff.
Nanomachines, son..
Got to love the MGS games... It's just brilliant
Idk why I always remember these lines:
8:50 "The connecting elevator is located on the B2 Floor of the Shell 1 Core."
9:30 "So now, Anti-Metal Gears are guarding a Metal Gear!?"
Sounds very much like the illuminati
The bass drop and ambience change at 1:48 still gives me chills to this day.
Future proves past.
Do you read me Mr president?
Come on man! I got hairy legs!
"It's not your fault Emma...I mean, if it wasn't for the terrorists."
Something about the phrase "if it wasn't for the terrorists" is fucking hilarious to me
The NSA conversation at th-cam.com/video/4Op-XKX-SWI/w-d-xo.html is quite acurate today!
as is the proliferation of child soldiers and why excess murder can cause ptsd (snake suffers from this so much that by mgs4, a 100% stress level will cause him to vomit)
This is how our world works too... and the internet is the linchpin to changing that
I saw this for the first time in like 2003 and it is so relevant today!!!
This is just real life though
If you shoot too much seagulls Rose get mad on codec
Now the question is... is it part of the "fiction"?
Johnson: "Solidus's health was scheduled to fail him."
Raiden: "Capped?"
Lmao, Raiden saying "capped" for someone getting assinated is so funny to me
Kojima’s going to get himself killed
Jesse H notice how konami isn't working with him anymore....suspicious
I don't think so. It can easily be rounded up as some conspiracy shit and that'd be the end of it. And it doesn't have the influence some singer or whatever would have on the masses so there's no need to "control" him or what he writes for the games he works on. There's no reason to separate from him as well. It isn't like it's a news company or anything. Actually, those all tend to be owned and controlled by the same groups or persons. Mass media, I mean. Their reports are written in advance by some company who has interests in lies and propaganda, and several (even dozens) different news reports will tell the same thing in the same way, sometimes even word for word (“This is extremely dangerous to our democracy.”).
i played this when i was 12
still need one on the steath suit.
Never heard of the EE background convo with Colonel
ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED.
This is so scary accurate for fantasy
Patriots confirmed
Wait...notice that the subtitles when Rose said believe me capitalize the letters LIE?
welcome to 13 years ago
*****
Good, can I stay there and never come back? At least I can warn folks of the things that happen 13 years down the line.
SMAXZO YOU COULD HAVE PREVENTED EVERYTHING
*****
Yeah...I could. Think of the possibilities.
“What’d you say?”
“NO, I’M QUITE SERIOUS.”
I'M CERTIFIED SANE YOU KNOW
Childhood is siding with Raiden. Adulthood is realizing the AI were right all along.
Sarah J exactly
Sounds more like embracing your arrogant side.
@@WhoisTheOtherVindAzzWhich is what Raiden end up being
14:13 possible explanation for M.E.
13:32 Oh my god, the AI accidentaly hinted that Rose was fake
Actually Rose in her own codec is real, but later when she talks about her pregnancy, she's replaced by AI. Plus Rose is an AI in Colonel's Codec.
HIGH ALTITUDE EFFECT UKRAINE?!?!? is that what Raiden is saying?
those AI's are ruthlessly rational there are no irrational feelings or emotions in them. logically i agree with everything they said but they leave no room for individuality/irrational human will. they have tried to change the chaotic nature of the world to a more unified world by trying to control the irrational individual will but despite the nobility of their goal they have failed at the end as told by big boss in MGS4 to solid at the end " for all our advances in nanotechnology , information and genetic control they have never managed to control people at will let alone turn one person totally to another"
I can't believe this cultural talk between Jack and Rose exists in the game and I've never heard it before.
Or that Emma's last name is "Danziger" lmfao
You have to beLIEve me!
President Vorador.
Listen closely 2018
Hun Dynasty In 2020 with Naughty dog shutting down information 🤔
Colonel sounds like Max Tennyson.
Electro Magnetic Mass Amplitude?
SMAXZO yes
What did Emma mean at 17:20 when she said her technical knowledge wasn't the only reason for her being included in the arsenal gear project?
it was her desire for revenge against her brother Otacon.
*PSYCHO MANTIS??*
I always said that theres no way this could be true!!
Can someone knows the name of the background music we heard during the speech around 25:00 ?
I'm searching that too.
Neo-Sparta's World i would search "Metal gear sons of liberty soundtrack" or something around those lines
I'm legally sane you know
Hold the fuck up. This game predicted Donald Trump's space force?
game was way ahead of its time.
Modern day facebook
does anybody know the name of the song in the minute 16:03 ?
otacon left because he blamed himself for his fathers death because his mom seduced him his father found out and killed himself after that he left because he dishonored himself
Can you do one on mgs1
E.M.M.A? what's does it stand for?
BrutallyHonestIrishGamer Hal's sister
just a game .
I really don't remember the part with the President admitting he was working with the terrorists for absolute power. Very weird, I must have finished this game over a hundred times too. I remember everything else. Which version is this taken from?
John Bakoda the original one moron
How how how
Where's vol 2?
.
Role,?
🎒💭🦊⚖️🦋
George Sears sounds abit like George Soros
it's just a game there's no such thing as the Patriots
What's the organization? The Elite, Illuminati?
7th Floor Group.
@conan263 oy vey! No one is safe from these comments
Are you an AI??
27:37
lol the patriots are based on a real group they're obviously not called the patriots ya dunce
so that's why donald trump became president
Mgs 4 ruined all story
Raiden's voice is music to my ears