What I like about Janet is that she presents herself not as a stereotyped, 3 snaps and a twist "caricature" of a woman - like too girly to be a real girl. It's funny, theatrical and I understand a bit of a security blanket protecting some gay or trans people from baring their soul to possible derision, etc. She is just herself, she's intelligent and lady like - she's not pretending to be. That is who she is. I know many women like her and I would gladly welcome her into my circle of friends as a woman - period. I just like her as a person. That's all I wanted to say.
I mean, it's very rude and presumptuous for you to assume just because someone doesn't perform femininity or womanhood in ways that are familiar to you that it is a caricature and a "security blanket" as opposed to who they, actually, are as people. Everyone is different. Get out of your white feminism bubble. Women, and people, are multitudes and exist on a spectrum, which includes all kinds of expressions including the "stereotyped, 3 snaps and a twist 'caricature'" as you call it.
Perhaps the most valuable piece of this discussion, for me, is the "language-ing" of the complexities of the gender spectrum: perceived gender, gender assigned at birth, cis- and trans-, etc. It's also valuable to hear about the complexities of self-disclosure for Mock: "coming out" as trans within different spaces, for different reasons. This helps to clarify the parameters of discourse within those settings.
Complexities of the gender system as for who? Mainstream there is no complexity, you are male or female gender. Just as you should not have to live with our forced beliefs of gender, neither do we have to live with your forced definitions of gender. This modification of the English language simply to be politically correct and cater to movements is disturbing.
I'm not sure I understand your arguements. I am using language that, in fact, speaks to my own experience, as I don't fit neatly into the gender binary. I am grateful for this language, which I inherited from great LGBTQ and feminist thinkers, because it helps to give form, context, and clarity to my lived experience. In order to claim (my place in society, my right to exist, etc.) I must name (my experience, my environment). This is because your "mainstream" tells me that my own experience did not happen, wasn't legitimate, isn't of value. You don't need to "live with" my language, but you need to live with me, Jennifer Fama, because I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE!!!
Jennifer Fama : The LGBT movement is not ideological. It is a human rights and civil rights movement. Sexual orientation and gender identity are accidents of birth, just like skin colour, and ethnic origin. Those are things you don't decide upon; they are not a belief or choice. The so-called main stream definitions are wrong. We clung on to them for so long because simplicity is attractive, especially when it is binary. But no matter how much easier to believe the simpler definitions may be, that doesn't make them true. And forcing real people to fit those definitions is barbaric. Gays having to pretend to be straight out of fear of being discriminated or killed ... that's not a life. The same is true for trans people: gender identity sometimes doesn't align with assigned sex at birth. But condemning them to a life of self-denial, or having them beaten, killed, and driven to suicide, just so that simplicity of definition may reign over reality ... is a crime against humanity.
It's funny, I read some of the posts on here about who or what they believe Janet Mock to be. Some overly intellectual, some not so intellectual and some I don't even understand or pretend to understand. I am a gay black man in his fifties and I have lived in New York my entire life. I went to high school in New York and college in New York both where I have studied art and after reading Janet's book I felt that it was less about telling her own story and giving us insight to take a deeper look at our own lives and ask ourselves "what is our own stories and why are they important?" Because if you think long and hard about it, if she hadn't written this book no one would know that she was even trans. She would be seen as a beautiful multi-ethnic woman. I can remember seeing trans woman all of my life and never thinking twice about it, Janet Mock has the intellect to tell her own story in a way that makes the public sit up and pay attention and to also to give a voice and visibility to the trans community and in this day and age that takes a lot of guts. I truly love Janet Mock and I can't wait to see what she has in store for us next.
Her path to womanhood? Did she get a menstrual cycle, PMS, cramps, grow boobs that get sore while developing, learn how to use tampons, etc.? Womanhood is not getting cut up, made up, and drugged up.
fat people are gross, old white people are gross, people with tattoos on their faces are gross. the point is that anyone can be gross to someone else. ever wonder how many people find you gross?
saw this book sitting on kat blaques shelf. glad i did. omg “are you mahu” was such a warming story. it’s sad she said she wanted to meet toni morrison since she passed right after this video :( she comports herself with a regalness that toni did
shannon lion I have to agree.. The marketing department of Google Docs must not have high standards -- or, are standards lower today? A clear, authoritative, and confident manner of speaking is essential to communication, and communication, direct or otherwise, is such an important element of marketing. He's the wrong employee for this particular job -- "... the list goes on and on and on..." -- adolescent at best considering he's interviewing a newly minted, bestselling author... "I do marketing at Google docs..." --- do marketing? Wow. And... the list goes on and on and on.
Talking about fake: I counted an 80% majority of pseudonyms and nondescript profile pics, in this comments thread alone! What the heck is wrong with you people? I see before me an endless row of high school locker closets, from which all kinds of muffled sounds emerge, mostly gnashing of teeth.
I don't know what to say...... oh.. what I like about this born gender male person the way how he explains himself.... very smart I like that about him...... but he is very pretty.......I cannot judge him...... because I may not have this type of issue to deal with..... but I'm quiet dam sure, if I should pass out now , I well see hell...... to you Janet Mock hope you work things out with your creator before you die.. that's my prayer for me and others like me who are not yet on the road to heaven as the christian people mean..
Ok I'm officially confused, this beautiful woman used to be a guy? Wow that team of doctors did a fantastic job. Forgive my ignorance I just don't know much about this Transgender movement.
Their was no team of doctors. She took hormone blockers before she hit puberty followed by estrogen (female hormones) so she never went through male puberty just female secondary puberty which allowed her to basically develop into a woman - wide hips, breasts, voice and all those characteristics came naturally. Starting hormones before puberty is probably the best opportunity if you're going to transition, sadly most places it's not allowed until you're 18 and passed puberty. By then you'll have already gotten a deep voice, etc that some (but not all) trans women do. Also she was never born male. Gender is defined by what you identify as - sex is what you are born. Her sex was male, as a baby she couldn't of course identify herself and so she was assigned (gender) male at birth, but she mentally was assigned as female. That's where gender dysphoria comes in which is an actual medical condition. It's all really not that complex, once you're more educated on a topic the more you understand. (:
I don't know if it's that sad that people have to wait until they're 18. It's a huge decision to transition from one gender to another and going on hormone treatment will change your life forever. I wouldn't say many people under 18 are mature enough of know themselves enough to make such a decision, let alone prepubescent children.
Christian Taylor-Williams, there were doctors she went to Thailand at 18 to have surgery. Hormone therapy isn't what I would describe as having "come naturally". She has breast implants also.
Dearest Janet, I am your fan. I love and respect you so much! The thing is that I am an ex-transwoman. Painfully, people always judge me and accuse me of being an anti-LGBT just because I am an ex-transwoman and that is so untrue. I am tired of being judge ALL MY LIFE as a transwoman (in the past) and now as an ex-transwoman. I respect and love the LGBT Community and in fact many of closest friends are LGBT individuals. I run a non-profit organization to support people like me (ex-LGBT) which is something that is close to my heart. It is SO NOT an anti-LGBT. The world around me is so critical about individuals like me. Do you think it is the rights of a LGBT individual to choose to be an ex-LGBT? I love to hear from you. By the way, I too experience the shaving of my head (like you did) when I was a boy. But in my case I shaved my own head because I was fed-up of being abused, misunderstood, and rejected as a transgirl. Hope to hear from you. Love you Janet!
"redefining realness"...? So that's where we are these days? Where's the cutoff point? Why only settle for redefining realness when it comes to sex via arguing the realness of gender roles? Why not redefine the realness of humanity? Does the physical reality of my human body mean that at birth my species should have been decided for me?
They can redefine it all they want but the facts are Women have vaginas, cervix, uterus, and ovaries. Not inverted penises. If you ain't got XX you're not a woman
Meredith Lincoln Then how do you explain men who are strictly interested in women, regardless if they're cis or trans? Stop pigeonholing trans attracted men into a box that YOU want them to be in! It's not up to you to define their sexual orientation. You said in another comment that you identify as lesbian, but others consider you bisexual due to the fact you been with men before. Well, two wrongs don't make a right. Nobody has any business placing labels on you that you don't self identify with. STOP DOING IT TO OTHERS PEOPLE, AND TREAT THEM HOW YOU WANT TO BE TREATED!!!
Redefining realness?!! Say what?!! Lol i dont think so boo... Not so sure about all this or that this title is whats most appropriate for this situation....def. farstretched.
If you make a list of all aspects about a given individual, their body will definitely make up part of that list. In that sense, while we can agree that she always had the mind of a woman and phrase it that way, it's silly to criticize people who pick up on the formerly male traits of her body. It's not like that was a mere detail. After all, it takes getting used to to the idea that we regard someone based on their self-perception first, given that our brains are evolutionarily so used to defining people based on our superficial perception.
shawn8093 I agree. And I wouldn't blame anyone, including myself as a straight guy, if my brain is quite focussed on identifying clear feminity in order to determine if I will be potentially attracted to someone or not. Any hint of maleness seems to get in the way of that potential attraction. It's just a different type of attitude towards women than towards guys. Makes sense evolutionarily. And it seems a bit difficult sometimes, at least for some people (including myself) to completely separate someone's past from their present. That being said, I can fully accept that she is not a man and that she is definitely a type of woman. And if a woman is trans, but passes completely, then I've recognized that my brain forgets any male connotations, because it doesn't recognize them. So I guess there's a significant difference between how we refer to people & treat people socially/legally...and then how we perceive people in terms of potential attractions. In which case, for some straight guys, being a trans woman might just be a characteristic that some guys aren't into, while others might be relaxed about it...same as with any other characteristic of a person.
I'm spiritually hurt over what's taking place in our lives at this present time. Life is getting harder and harder for us all. Being a complete "heterosexual" man living in a world that support men to perpetrate living as women, is unnervingly disturbing. Permission to institute such confusion will eventually lead societies straight to hell. Its violent robbery and rape against nature. Forgive me for my opinion. God can express it better than me. Maybe even His divine judgments for signs. Whoever makes it to thunder and rain, will surely intervene in the corrupted behavior of mankind and womankind.
Cam C "God" NEVER said he can forgive slavery neither sodomy neither "cross-dressing...only YOU did. And your words are also blaspheme against the holy spirit. Your comment is awfully wrong and it serves as a major stumbling block to those who are seeking God's divine. Just because the world is still turning doesn't mean we've seen all the judgments from God. God DOES NOT forgive those who enslave others then abuse them beyond recognition, neither accepts sexual deviancies as sodomy "homosexuality" and transgenderism or cross-dressing. Yes, there are strict laws AGAINST these self-willed and evil acts in the flesh. If you can find scripture(s) that can combat the ones I provide, than your words are of value, but I honestly and truly doubt you can find them. And PLEASE DON'T argue against or twist the word of God. Don't allow your alleged ministers to deceive you all of your remaining life. Your path is hell bound. Its time to wake up out of sleep, and keep the commandments of God as Jesus Christ said. Exodus 21:16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death. Deuteronomy 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. 1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Revelations 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. Genesis 15:12 And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him. 13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; 14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
Owen Rich Owen, I'm not a Christian; therefore, I view your beliefs on how men and women should dress and identify(gender wise) with the same eyes that most of us Americans view the Burka. In other words, I can (on some level) respect your right to believe as you do. But your beliefs, like Sharia law, should not be forced on others.
Cam C No, you'r'e totally wrong. I'm not forcing MY beliefs on others...its the Holy Bible that condemns the acts of those in whom you say have rights to do whatever they want to do. Your issues is with God not me. What happened to "In God We Trust?" If we as society of people choose to do whatever we want to do without boundary laws, that means murderers, rapists, thieves can also do whatever they want to do, which will eventually decrease the population and damage the structure of life. Laws are vital to human beings. The Holy Bible is the Truth...and the Truth is that cross-dressing and transgenderism is a threat to the future of mankind & womankind.
Owen Rich My issue is neither with you or "God." The Holy Quran also condemns a number of things, but that is none of my business. If you are a Muslim, that is fine with me. What is not fine with me is when you expect me to live my life according to the laws of Islam. If you are a Christian, that is fine with me. What is not fine with me is when you expect me to live my life in accordance to the laws of Christianity. I'm an American, and I follow the laws of America. And according to the constitution, there is, nor should there ever be, a state Relligion. What happended to "In God We Trust?" Nothing happened to it. That was never in the constitution. And America has never had a State Religion. Nor will it ever.
What I like about Janet is that she presents herself not as a stereotyped, 3 snaps and a twist "caricature" of a woman - like too girly to be a real girl. It's funny, theatrical and I understand a bit of a security blanket protecting some gay or trans people from baring their soul to possible derision, etc. She is just herself, she's intelligent and lady like - she's not pretending to be. That is who she is. I know many women like her and I would gladly welcome her into my circle of friends as a woman - period. I just like her as a person. That's all I wanted to say.
I mean, it's very rude and presumptuous for you to assume just because someone doesn't perform femininity or womanhood in ways that are familiar to you that it is a caricature and a "security blanket" as opposed to who they, actually, are as people. Everyone is different. Get out of your white feminism bubble. Women, and people, are multitudes and exist on a spectrum, which includes all kinds of expressions including the "stereotyped, 3 snaps and a twist 'caricature'" as you call it.
Mei -mei I mean have you seen the Kardashian’s 🙄
I admire Janet Mock so much! She is so inspiring.
I love how she talks and presents herself to the world............and she's BEAUTIFUL damn it....
Perhaps the most valuable piece of this discussion, for me, is the "language-ing" of the complexities of the gender spectrum: perceived gender, gender assigned at birth, cis- and trans-, etc. It's also valuable to hear about the complexities of self-disclosure for Mock: "coming out" as trans within different spaces, for different reasons. This helps to clarify the parameters of discourse within those settings.
Complexities of the gender system as for who? Mainstream there is no complexity, you are male or female gender. Just as you should not have to live with our forced beliefs of gender, neither do we have to live with your forced definitions of gender.
This modification of the English language simply to be politically correct and cater to movements is disturbing.
I'm not sure I understand your arguements. I am using language that, in fact, speaks to my own experience, as I don't fit neatly into the gender binary. I am grateful for this language, which I inherited from great LGBTQ and feminist thinkers, because it helps to give form, context, and clarity to my lived experience. In order to claim (my place in society, my right to exist, etc.) I must name (my experience, my environment). This is because your "mainstream" tells me that my own experience did not happen, wasn't legitimate, isn't of value. You don't need to "live with" my language, but you need to live with me, Jennifer Fama, because I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE!!!
Jennifer Fama : The LGBT movement is not ideological. It is a human rights and civil rights movement. Sexual orientation and gender identity are accidents of birth, just like skin colour, and ethnic origin. Those are things you don't decide upon; they are not a belief or choice. The so-called main stream definitions are wrong. We clung on to them for so long because simplicity is attractive, especially when it is binary. But no matter how much easier to believe the simpler definitions may be, that doesn't make them true. And forcing real people to fit those definitions is barbaric. Gays having to pretend to be straight out of fear of being discriminated or killed ... that's not a life. The same is true for trans people: gender identity sometimes doesn't align with assigned sex at birth. But condemning them to a life of self-denial, or having them beaten, killed, and driven to suicide, just so that simplicity of definition may reign over reality ... is a crime against humanity.
it's so awesome she mentioned she would like a times cover, and then a while later laverne was in a cover or times. it happened (:
It's funny, I read some of the posts on here about who or what they believe Janet Mock to be. Some overly intellectual, some not so intellectual and some I don't even understand or pretend to understand. I am a gay black man in his fifties and I have lived in New York my entire life. I went to high school in New York and college in New York both where I have studied art and after reading Janet's book I felt that it was less about telling her own story and giving us insight to take a deeper look at our own lives and ask ourselves "what is our own stories and why are they important?" Because if you think long and hard about it, if she hadn't written this book no one would know that she was even trans. She would be seen as a beautiful multi-ethnic woman. I can remember seeing trans woman all of my life and never thinking twice about it, Janet Mock has the intellect to tell her own story in a way that makes the public sit up and pay attention and to also to give a voice and visibility to the trans community and in this day and age that takes a lot of guts. I truly love Janet Mock and I can't wait to see what she has in store for us next.
Avery James too bad. Perhaps a return to natural order can cure your problems
I literally did a double take when I found out that she was a trans. Her apperance and poise is challenging the way I view the transgender.
Ufo Ufo “she”?
Ufo Ufo freak shit, son
Janet Mock is what she is, courageous and truly quite remarkable. There are many inspirational people. Janet is right up there. Gee, Google? Well!
I am reading her book now. She is such a beautiful and powerful woman.
So ture she speak with such authority and poise
My issue with Janet is her saying that she was born a baby and not a boy.
She speaks like a scholar.
Very well spoken and beautiful lady
What an amazing woman.
Her path to womanhood? Did she get a menstrual cycle, PMS, cramps, grow boobs that get sore while developing, learn how to use tampons, etc.? Womanhood is not getting cut up, made up, and drugged up.
she is beyond gorgeous...i can't even
fat people are gross, old white people are gross, people with tattoos on their faces are gross. the point is that anyone can be gross to someone else. ever wonder how many people find you gross?
D Cwala what are you talking about?
Beyond gorgeous? She is pretty;-)
***** he's over analyzing your statement, your fine grey mouse carry on ;]
Eclectic Enigma i was beginning to wonder
saw this book sitting on kat blaques shelf. glad i did. omg “are you mahu” was such a warming story.
it’s sad she said she wanted to meet toni morrison since she passed right after this video :( she comports herself with a regalness that toni did
#Janet Mock Rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Completely filled with love & strength i choose to be who i am & love myself by doing so
So beautiful, Intelligent and perceptive. She strikes me as being "whole"
Love her
She's more beautiful than most naturally born women.
My new hero!!!
LOVEEEEEEEEEE
Love Janet but this is such a bad interview. The interviewer was HORRIBLE, so awkward and ill-prepared.
shannon lion I have to agree.. The marketing department of Google Docs must not have high standards -- or, are standards lower today? A clear, authoritative, and confident manner of speaking is essential to communication, and communication, direct or otherwise, is such an important element of marketing. He's the wrong employee for this particular job -- "... the list goes on and on and on..." -- adolescent at best considering he's interviewing a newly minted, bestselling author... "I do marketing at Google docs..." --- do marketing? Wow. And... the list goes on and on and on.
Maybe he was having a bad day...why so much hate!!! TH-cam you have haters here!
Mock - yeah as a real woman, that's how I feel.
Why were the comments turned off in that Jesse Ventura video?
Mikeis so cute!
i went to school with janet
I want to be her best friend!!!!
Talking about fake: I counted an 80% majority of pseudonyms and nondescript profile pics, in this comments thread alone! What the heck is wrong with you people? I see before me an endless row of high school locker closets, from which all kinds of muffled sounds emerge, mostly gnashing of teeth.
So well said, I soooo agree with u Lucy Rosevelt! She's such a beautiful lady. She's my favorite 😊
Hello Google fanlyin
I don't know what to say...... oh.. what I like about this born gender male person the way how he explains himself.... very smart I like that about him...... but he is very pretty.......I cannot judge him...... because I may not have this type of issue to deal with..... but I'm quiet dam sure, if I should pass out now , I well see hell...... to you Janet Mock hope you work things out with your creator before you die.. that's my prayer for me and others like me who are not yet on the road to heaven as the christian people mean..
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Ok I'm officially confused, this beautiful woman used to be a guy? Wow that team of doctors did a fantastic job. Forgive my ignorance I just don't know much about this Transgender movement.
Their was no team of doctors. She took hormone blockers before she hit puberty followed by estrogen (female hormones) so she never went through male puberty just female secondary puberty which allowed her to basically develop into a woman - wide hips, breasts, voice and all those characteristics came naturally. Starting hormones before puberty is probably the best opportunity if you're going to transition, sadly most places it's not allowed until you're 18 and passed puberty. By then you'll have already gotten a deep voice, etc that some (but not all) trans women do.
Also she was never born male. Gender is defined by what you identify as - sex is what you are born. Her sex was male, as a baby she couldn't of course identify herself and so she was assigned (gender) male at birth, but she mentally was assigned as female. That's where gender dysphoria comes in which is an actual medical condition.
It's all really not that complex, once you're more educated on a topic the more you understand. (:
I don't know if it's that sad that people have to wait until they're 18. It's a huge decision to transition from one gender to another and going on hormone treatment will change your life forever. I wouldn't say many people under 18 are mature enough of know themselves enough to make such a decision, let alone prepubescent children.
Christian Taylor-Williams, there were doctors she went to Thailand at 18 to have surgery. Hormone therapy isn't what I would describe as having "come naturally". She has breast implants also.
She beautifil
Dearest Janet, I am your fan. I love and respect you so much! The thing is that I am an ex-transwoman. Painfully, people always judge me and accuse me of being an anti-LGBT just because I am an ex-transwoman and that is so untrue. I am tired of being judge ALL MY LIFE as a transwoman (in the past) and now as an ex-transwoman. I respect and love the LGBT Community and in fact many of closest friends are LGBT individuals. I run a non-profit organization to support people like me (ex-LGBT) which is something that is close to my heart. It is SO NOT an anti-LGBT. The world around me is so critical about individuals like me. Do you think it is the rights of a LGBT individual to choose to be an ex-LGBT? I love to hear from you. By the way, I too experience the shaving of my head (like you did) when I was a boy. But in my case I shaved my own head because I was fed-up of being abused, misunderstood, and rejected as a transgirl. Hope to hear from you. Love you Janet!
Please email me at reallovemalaysia@gmail.com
You can check out www.simb.my
So now your a man again?? So people can now switch back and forth there gender now?? Ok.......
+DFW EMS Here is my email address reallovemalaysia@gmail.com
DiamondForever15
"redefining realness"...?
So that's where we are these days?
Where's the cutoff point?
Why only settle for redefining realness when it comes to sex via arguing the realness of gender roles? Why not redefine the realness of humanity? Does the physical reality of my human body mean that at birth my species should have been decided for me?
I'm not sure if you're being real or sarcastic.
Right! Literally took the words out of my mouth...we are officially living in the twilight zone. Hold on tight bc its going to be a BUMPY ass mf ride.
They can redefine it all they want but the facts are Women have vaginas, cervix, uterus, and ovaries. Not inverted penises. If you ain't got XX you're not a woman
Janet hook a sibling up with Michaels number :)
pan·sex·u·al - panˈsekSH(əw)əl/ - adjective - 1. not limited in sexual choice with regard to biological sex, gender, or gender identity.
Meredith Lincoln Then how do you explain men who are strictly interested in women, regardless if they're cis or trans? Stop pigeonholing trans attracted men into a box that YOU want them to be in! It's not up to you to define their sexual orientation. You said in another comment that you identify as lesbian, but others consider you bisexual due to the fact you been with men before. Well, two wrongs don't make a right. Nobody has any business placing labels on you that you don't self identify with. STOP DOING IT TO OTHERS PEOPLE, AND TREAT THEM HOW YOU WANT TO BE TREATED!!!
that's a pansexual, sugar muffin.
But you are a trans woman... Why are you offended by what you are or what your partner is? By the way, you sound like a real sweetheart ;-)
Meredith Lincoln I'm a type of woman, and deserve to be treated the same as female, despite being born a little different.
Okay and you're going to verbally abuse and assault everyone with a differing opinion or presents facts or definitions...? Charming :-)
This person JANET MOCK refers to real women as FISH.
Redefining realness?!! Say what?!! Lol i dont think so boo... Not so sure about all this or that this title is whats most appropriate for this situation....def. farstretched.
Grace Morgan That's not something she ca. Help or any other trans can. She is just lucky to be that feminine looking.
@@1love847 Not luck, it's female hormones(shots, pills etc.)
This person is one of the best looking transgender people I've ever seen. It is very hard to tell she was a man.
She transition as a young teen she was never a man why do yall always say stuff like that lol
+Arielle Greyson I support trans rights, but refusing to accept she was once biologically male does not help anyone.
If you make a list of all aspects about a given individual, their body will definitely make up part of that list. In that sense, while we can agree that she always had the mind of a woman and phrase it that way, it's silly to criticize people who pick up on the formerly male traits of her body. It's not like that was a mere detail.
After all, it takes getting used to to the idea that we regard someone based on their self-perception first, given that our brains are evolutionarily so used to defining people based on our superficial perception.
Demian Haki Our "superficial perception" served an evolutionary purpose. People need to be less sensitive.
shawn8093 I agree. And I wouldn't blame anyone, including myself as a straight guy, if my brain is quite focussed on identifying clear feminity in order to determine if I will be potentially attracted to someone or not.
Any hint of maleness seems to get in the way of that potential attraction. It's just a different type of attitude towards women than towards guys. Makes sense evolutionarily. And it seems a bit difficult sometimes, at least for some people (including myself) to completely separate someone's past from their present.
That being said, I can fully accept that she is not a man and that she is definitely a type of woman. And if a woman is trans, but passes completely, then I've recognized that my brain forgets any male connotations, because it doesn't recognize them.
So I guess there's a significant difference between how we refer to people & treat people socially/legally...and then how we perceive people in terms of potential attractions. In which case, for some straight guys, being a trans woman might just be a characteristic that some guys aren't into, while others might be relaxed about it...same as with any other characteristic of a person.
Lest we not ever forget that woman means womb-man. No womb, not a woman!
Some biological women get hysterectomies and their entire wombs are removed. Are they still women?
NO SOUND NO VOLUME NO S⁷
sad shit here
How come Janet can't conceive children?
I'm spiritually hurt over what's taking place in our lives at this present time. Life is getting harder and harder for us all. Being a complete "heterosexual" man living in a world that support men to perpetrate living as women, is unnervingly disturbing. Permission to institute such confusion will eventually lead societies straight to hell. Its violent robbery and rape against nature. Forgive me for my opinion. God can express it better than me. Maybe even His divine judgments for signs. Whoever makes it to thunder and rain, will surely intervene in the corrupted behavior of mankind and womankind.
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Cam C "God" NEVER said he can forgive slavery neither sodomy neither "cross-dressing...only YOU did. And your words are also blaspheme against the holy spirit. Your comment is awfully wrong and it serves as a major stumbling block to those who are seeking God's divine. Just because the world is still turning doesn't mean we've seen all the judgments from God. God DOES NOT forgive those who enslave others then abuse them beyond recognition, neither accepts sexual deviancies as sodomy "homosexuality" and transgenderism or cross-dressing. Yes, there are strict laws AGAINST these self-willed and evil acts in the flesh. If you can find scripture(s) that can combat the ones I provide, than your words are of value, but I honestly and truly doubt you can find them. And PLEASE DON'T argue against or twist the word of God. Don't allow your alleged ministers to deceive you all of your remaining life. Your path is hell bound. Its time to wake up out of sleep, and keep the commandments of God as Jesus Christ said.
Exodus 21:16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.
Deuteronomy 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Revelations 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Genesis 15:12 And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.
13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
Owen Rich Owen, I'm not a Christian; therefore, I view your beliefs on how men and women should dress and identify(gender wise) with the same eyes that most of us Americans view the Burka. In other words, I can (on some level) respect your right to believe as you do. But your beliefs, like Sharia law, should not be forced on others.
Cam C No, you'r'e totally wrong. I'm not forcing MY beliefs on others...its the Holy Bible that condemns the acts of those in whom you say have rights to do whatever they want to do. Your issues is with God not me. What happened to "In God We Trust?" If we as society of people choose to do whatever we want to do without boundary laws, that means murderers, rapists, thieves can also do whatever they want to do, which will eventually decrease the population and damage the structure of life. Laws are vital to human beings. The Holy Bible is the Truth...and the Truth is that cross-dressing and transgenderism is a threat to the future of mankind & womankind.
Owen Rich My issue is neither with you or "God." The Holy Quran also condemns a number of things, but that is none of my business. If you are a Muslim, that is fine with me. What is not fine with me is when you expect me to live my life according to the laws of Islam. If you are a Christian, that is fine with me. What is not fine with me is when you expect me to live my life in accordance to the laws of Christianity. I'm an American, and I follow the laws of America. And according to the constitution, there is, nor should there ever be, a state Relligion.
What happended to "In God We Trust?" Nothing happened to it. That was never in the constitution. And America has never had a State Religion. Nor will it ever.
Your a man God doesn’t make mistakes!
When you conceive a baby then you can play woman
So does his hole grow hair in it? Cause mine doesn't