Like someone else said: saying she shouldn't be famous if she can't handle the attention is just another way of saying "It's her fault, she's asking for it." And I think that was very spot on. As if anyone should just accept being stalked, or have family stalked! The way we treat celebrities is very weird to begin with. It's about time we're rethinking parasocial relationships!
People accept that walking around on a broken leg makes it worse, but refuse to accept that you can’t just “push through” most mental health issues without severe risk of decline. Chappel Roan has said she has bipolar disorder and that shit is no joke. Not taking your limitations seriously when you are dealing with a condition like that is literally life threatening. How dare people demand she put her safety in jeopardy for them, honestly.
Wonderful discourse gentlemen. Celebrity culture is extremely dystopian. I hate talk of how crazy and bad celebrities are that grew up famous, like any of us regular people have any idea how that affects a person. Like the Olsen Twins are not regular people, they were forced to work since they were a few months old and sexualized in a very very public manner from a horrifically young age against their wills. Celebrities need to be treated like humans more
That's why I don't get when people get upset about Britney Spears not acting like a model citizen now that she is no longer under conservatorship. Ofcourse she's never gonna be able to live a normal life. That was ruined by the world a long time ago. Just let her live and as long as she's hurting no one, let her do whatever she wants to do. 🤷🏻
@@jonnnnniej absolutely or Miley Cyrus. Even when adults (esp women) join the Hollywood Machine, it is such a disgusting, abusive, corrupt system that I think it def chews up and spits out so many people and changes them profoundly. I feel awful for Miley Cyrus, I hope she feels she’s found herself now.
I remember seeing a video of a bunch of young fan girls outside Justin Bieber's house, screaming for his attention. He tells them that this is his private space and they should respect it. Immediately a fan asks for a hug... He looks so exasperated and just goes inside.
Love you guys! A critical piece of this conversation is that Chappell has been very public about her bipolar disorder. We know nothing about what is happening between her and her care team (that is 0% our business obvi). Bipolar disorder does not define a person, but does have a massive impact on day to day life. All of the stress of her current experience would be difficult for a person without a significant mental health diagnosis, but this amount of stress in BP can very literally be fatal.
This video is resonating so hard: “Not everything is push through it… But there has to be space when too much is too much, and it’s not always a you need to suck it up.” Damn, I didn’t know how shot my mental health was until hearing that.
I read a post from someone who said they were disappointed that the Chappell Roan show they wanted to go to had been canceled and that they flew in from Spain for it. But they blamed the people who were harassing Chappell and being super weird about her boundaries. That's a very normal response! Don't blame Chappell Roan for canceling the shows. Blame the people who ruined it for everyone else because they couldn't help but try to put a queer woman in her place.
Literally. I went to one of her big shows, the infamous "you're no fun" one (IYKYK), and there really was a divide in the kinds of people attending the show. Up at the front, people were so nice to each other. Our group was grabbing food and water, saving each other spots, talking about our queer experiences. But at one point, one of the girls needed to go to the toilet. We held her spot, and made sure she made it back safely. But by the time she got back, she was in tears. Apparently people were saying awful things to her, and shoving as she was trying to get back to us. It sucks, because Chappell herself has said that her shows are supposed to be for the queer people that have felt underrepresented on the big stage. And people harassing her, crowding the queer spaces, etc etc etc, is removing the very people Chappell wanted in these spaces. I fully support her taking a break and reassessing. I waited for Kesha and I'll wait for her too. I'd rather have her alive than passed of something tragic.
I understand getting super interested and invested in a piece of art or media, but becoming so obsessed with a PERSON that you think you’re entitled to a stranger’s attention? Bonkers! Also it’s odd to be this early, great video guys!
This is happening after Demi's documentary where she literally says how she did so many shows to the point where she wasn't sleeping at all and ended up having to be TRICKED into going into rehab so that she is FORCED to rest??
I remember watching a video of a Japanese rock artist, where he was walking past the crowd, basically just touching outstretched hands as he walked by, when someone snagged his arm and it became like a frenzy among piranhas. Everyone started trying to grab a piece of him, dragging him into the crowd, and he tried to get away but couldn’t and basically had to go entirely limp and wait for security to pull him free. It was terrifying to see so many people treat a human like a piece of meat.
I love how you said that not everything is push through. Because it's not, but people will make it seem like you have to. I'm a nurse and was having a really hard time mentally a few months ago so I was calling into work because I just couldn't get up or brush my teeth, or eat, or sleep. I went to my hospital's employee health department to tell them I was struggling mentally and if there were any resources, but admitting that my issue was mental health screwed me over. I was naive because my hospital constantly preached about mental health and how it supports its workers. The hospital told me that I need to push through because that's how I'll feel better and that just because I feel a "little" bad I can't call in sick for it, or that maybe I just can't handle nursing and should find a different career. They said this to me after I was talking about how much I was suffering. I felt completely invalidated. Despite my province experiencing a big shortage of nurses and my years of experience, the hospital was trying to let me go even though I provided piles and piles of doctors' notes and forms. How does that make sense? Don't you want to retain skilled nurses? Going through a rough time doesn't mean it's forever. Just help me get better. I'm so thankful for my union for protecting me. I don't know how I'd get through it without my union rep. Probably would have had to hire a lawyer. I wasn't even receiving pay for being off so on top of going through a horrible time mentally, my family started having to use the food bank because I wasn't bringing any money in. Canada definitely likes to portray itself as caring about health and others but when it comes down to it, these institutions will toss you out. I'm doing better now but anytime I feel awful and should probably take a mental health break, I get severe anxiety that if I take time off they'll try to fire me again. I love nursing. I worked very hard to get to where I am and during COVID when I was in the ER, I didn't call in sick, I even picked up shifts to help out. Like I know we live and understand life from our own perspective but is it really that difficult to see other people as just as human as you are? With thoughts, feelings and wants? Depending on the province out of 100 brand new nurses, half will leave the profession before the age of 35. We need these young nurses, we need them to stay and want to become experienced nurses. I don't know the status of things in the US, but I'm sure it's just as messed up with nurses who are having mental issues getting thrown to the side. It was really nice to hear you putting out such validating content. And thank you for coming to my TED Talk
That's truly awful, I'm so sorry, I've been through similar stuff in work and it's always a shock to be told something like that when you're just trying to do your best. Ty for all your hard work, you've definitely made differences in lives.❤
There's a much smaller musician I follow, who already lives with a chronic illness, that went on tour a few months back, only to immediately get sick with bronchitis at the beginning of the tour. He did his best to push through and perform at as many of the scheduled shows as he could. The show I went to was only his 3rd stop and he was already losing his voice, so obviously he had to cancel a few due to the illness, but so many people were completely horrid to him for it, sending him nasty messages and death threats. It was awful. Apparently physical ailments aren't a good enough reason to cancel now either. 🙄
I remember a long time ago i saw a comedian i really liked at a different comedians show, just in the audience, i thought about going over and geeking out but then i thought "he's just out watching a show, i think he's with friends, i don't want to disrupt that". They're still people after all. Edit: to be clear, no problem going up to them at their own show, but the night wasn't about them.
The comment about how politicians *put* themselves into places of public authority and *should* be criticized about the decisions they are making as representatives is extremely important. There's such a huge difference between demanding to know what your favorite artist's stance on a political topic is and demanding to know what an elected official's stance is on a political topic is. One of them is a person who's just existing, the other person is someone elected into office as someone who is supposed to represent you as a voter. It should be noted that you are allowed to criticize and talk about like, your favorite artist's support (ESPECIALLY FINANCIALLY) of something you don't stand for but at the end of the day you can't really change the way someone else *is* or what someone believes. Like, I don't buy Harry Potter merch because I know that supporting JKR means putting money that she puts towards anti-trans bills in her country, for example. People just take a lot of things way too far and feel entitled to every aspect of a celebrity's life and the internet has not helped that notion at all. But yeah, there's a huge difference with celebrities and politicians. One of those people has the power to strip your rights away from you and order military strikes on innocents, and should be held accountable for that. The other person is a celebrity for something they've done or created. All this being said it's not black and white, cause there's a bit of nuance in everything.
I do think there's also just something so toxic to modern discourse between celebrities and the public. I saw her say that people should engage with politics and vote for the person who's politics they agree with. That is an incredibly basic, neutral take on democracy, that should not be a controversial position but she had to respond and be like "no, I'm not voting for trump guys".
And as if it was ever a question who she would vote for as well 🤦♀️ I was so weirded out about how people reacted to that! She was telling people to do their own research and make an educated choice. What is there to get mad about?! People really need to use their time for more useful things 😅
I go to Comic Cons Sometimes,&,I’ll Get Autographs,Photo Ops Done With my Favorite Celebrities,I Know Where to Draw The Line,I Would Never in a Million Years Stalk my Favorite Celebrities,Now if They’re Out in Public Then Yeah,I’d Probably go up to Them,Ask For a Selfie,&,an Autograph,That’s it,1 of my All Time Favorite Things to do at a Comic Con is to go to Panels so I Can Ask Questions
also these werent her shows, this was a festival there were other artists performing, people could have been going just for her but that does not change the fact that she was not the only one there
whatever the job and the level of success at said profession people are people, and many like to leave work at work, so if the work is being a performer and the situation is not one specifically designated for that exchange, then you're just intruding on off-the-clock hours, it's a coin toss how you'll be received and it's not hard to comprehend why it wouldn't go well
Fact correction: most federal, state and local government reps get zero personal protection. And we do have specifice committee meetings, etc that allow for civil communication with representitives of governments. Getting in people's personal space on their private time is never ok. So I am really pushing back on the notion that it's ok to interrupt private space of a public servant. As a woman, I am afraid to serve my local and state community in government and in public service jobs because of people getting into women's personal space and the general attitude that a public servant and their home, their family, their pets are fair game for aggression posed as commentary or "participation"
For some interactions though, socially awkward or not very experienced people may not act in a way that's perceived as appropriate. I think it's up to both parties to be accountable, those who are putting themselves out there with content should be aware of the risks included, and that many fans may be basement dwellers who adore or grow attached due to a lack of interactions. Just my thoughts.
i think some of the people who take some kind of issue with celebrities speaking out on this aren’t necessarily condoning the actions of people who take things to the extreme, but they also don’t want to reckon with the fact that some of the things they consider socially acceptable (the “right” way) when randomly encountering a celebrity they admire is also included in that. like, yeah there’s a difference between stalking them and showing up at their house vs. randomly running into them at the store, but like. taking photos or videos of them going about their lives, swarming them and asking them to sign things, trying to get into a big conversation (however “nice” what you’re saying is), etc. etc. is still pretty weird. of course the normalization of these behaviors is also due to the sense of entitlement and ownership people tend to feel towards celebrities as “fans”, but. yeah i do think there are some well-meaning people who don’t want to admit that maybe the thing they did one time, regardless of how “nice” or “respectful” they felt they were, wasn’t actually perceived that way
100% agree that it is weird behavior. So i doodle at my workplace and usually leave my drawings on my desk because ill probably work on them the next day a little. At on of our cookouts the janitorial father-daughter duo came and the daughter went looking for me. She liked my drawings, was taking pictures of them for her personal reference (other artists know thats kinda a no no without permission), hugged me and asked for a photo. I was not equipped to deal with that and while i am a very social person, it was very uncomfortable! Especially since my drawings are pretty personal, not kid friedly and she was like 12. If i ever were to do youtube i would never show my fae because i was very flattered but kinda hated it.
she shouldn’t be famous if she doesn’t like, or can’t handle attention. negative or positive. it has nothing to do with her being a woman or being queer, when you put yourself online and make yourself into a “celebrity” you are inviting in attention. if she didn’t want it, she could stop making music publicly, or making social media posts. people should be held accountable for being weird, but people will always be weird, and those things have ALWAYS come with fame. best wishes for her.
absolutely agree that she should not feel guilty for feeling overwhelmed and creeped out by the attention she's receiving, and if she truly didn't anticipate the way she's been received I can understand that as well, but the thing that rubbed me the wrong way was her delivery in the tiktok. I'm in no way a fan of hers--on the contrary I find her music to be very grating--but I feel that if she wanted to get the message across to the general populace of her fans she could have put it much more kindly, as the two of you did in this very video! as a kid I did my fair share of celeb-stalking online and as an adult I cringe at my past behavior, but this has been a well-documented side-effect of fame since the dawn of celebrity. she can afford to hire security and a team to manage the people who take it too far, but as a public figure I think it's irresponsible and naive of her to have thought gaining more popularity would have led to any other conclusion. I think stepping back as much as she is now able, since the cat's rather out of the bag, is a good idea
Yea, no. I'm so tired of the whole "you have to speak up in a friendly manner to be heard." And it's been said to women on so many different occasions! I don't know her music, but it was hard to miss all the drama around her setting boundaries. And she tried to make her point in a calm manner at first, and look how people reacted to that. She can voice her boundaries with anger, cause people crossing personal boundaries is not normal. Good on her for advocating for her mental health!
So here's my concern, and it's not directly aimed at Roan but any celebs that complain about people asking for photos or whatever: what about all these celebrities they take pictures with? Are they ALL your personal friends? It always seems less like "people invading my personal space are weird!" and more "get these non-famous pleebs away from me! I'm not like you!" Roan may be consistent with this, and I'd applaud that, but too many celebs say this but will pose with any other famous person without a second thought *cough* Diddy*cough*
So I agree that people wanting to touch famous people they don’t know could be creepy. This is where I take issue with what she’s saying. She went out and put herself out to be known. She’s wanted the fame and money. Yet, now she wants to be mad about getting attention that is well known to come with it. Now people showing up at your family members home or work. This is not ok. People running up and touching you without asking is not ok. However someone coming up and saying can I get a quick picture I don’t think is weird. Does she have the right to say no yes she absolutely does but she also needs to recognize that people then have the right to call you an ass for treating them rudely.
I don’t think it’s fair to say that, they were literally making the point that even if at one point you wanted the fame, it’s ok to take a step back on that (as chappell clearly is). she is bipolar and being addressed by strangers for a photo while having a breakdown seems like it’s not a situation to critique how brusk she’s being. she’s setting boundaries publicly so she doesn’t have to be rude, and people are calling her entitled when she’s being open about how harmful this is for her. you might think it’s harsh but i imagine it’s much worse for her, we aren’t entitled to a gentle way of her saying no.
Nahhh, Bieber fans were wild! Yes he did some things that attracted a lot of attention (the monkey comes to mind 😅), but that never means it's okay to invade someone's personal space and cross those boundaries.
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Like someone else said: saying she shouldn't be famous if she can't handle the attention is just another way of saying "It's her fault, she's asking for it." And I think that was very spot on. As if anyone should just accept being stalked, or have family stalked!
The way we treat celebrities is very weird to begin with. It's about time we're rethinking parasocial relationships!
"don't pretend you being annoyed is virtuous" is SUCH a good line i need to like make that into a patch for my jacket holy shit
People accept that walking around on a broken leg makes it worse, but refuse to accept that you can’t just “push through” most mental health issues without severe risk of decline.
Chappel Roan has said she has bipolar disorder and that shit is no joke. Not taking your limitations seriously when you are dealing with a condition like that is literally life threatening. How dare people demand she put her safety in jeopardy for them, honestly.
Wonderful discourse gentlemen. Celebrity culture is extremely dystopian. I hate talk of how crazy and bad celebrities are that grew up famous, like any of us regular people have any idea how that affects a person. Like the Olsen Twins are not regular people, they were forced to work since they were a few months old and sexualized in a very very public manner from a horrifically young age against their wills. Celebrities need to be treated like humans more
That's why I don't get when people get upset about Britney Spears not acting like a model citizen now that she is no longer under conservatorship. Ofcourse she's never gonna be able to live a normal life. That was ruined by the world a long time ago. Just let her live and as long as she's hurting no one, let her do whatever she wants to do. 🤷🏻
@@jonnnnniej absolutely or Miley Cyrus. Even when adults (esp women) join the Hollywood Machine, it is such a disgusting, abusive, corrupt system that I think it def chews up and spits out so many people and changes them profoundly. I feel awful for Miley Cyrus, I hope she feels she’s found herself now.
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I remember seeing a video of a bunch of young fan girls outside Justin Bieber's house, screaming for his attention. He tells them that this is his private space and they should respect it. Immediately a fan asks for a hug... He looks so exasperated and just goes inside.
I felt so bad for him watching that. He was being as nice and respectful as possible and she heard none of it.
ik and he went through a lot of this as a kid himself..
Love you guys! A critical piece of this conversation is that Chappell has been very public about her bipolar disorder. We know nothing about what is happening between her and her care team (that is 0% our business obvi). Bipolar disorder does not define a person, but does have a massive impact on day to day life. All of the stress of her current experience would be difficult for a person without a significant mental health diagnosis, but this amount of stress in BP can very literally be fatal.
jordan so grandpa coded
I read this as “grandpa cool” which feels the same amount of accurate
A cool grandpa though
boondocks grandpa
not really though. my own grandfather is a real geeky guy who loves astronomy (in the best way possible) and is much more like jarvis. 😭😭
This video is resonating so hard: “Not everything is push through it… But there has to be space when too much is too much, and it’s not always a you need to suck it up.” Damn, I didn’t know how shot my mental health was until hearing that.
Wishing you all the best! ❤
@@jonnnnniej Thank you! I’m struggling but I’m trying my best ✨
I read a post from someone who said they were disappointed that the Chappell Roan show they wanted to go to had been canceled and that they flew in from Spain for it. But they blamed the people who were harassing Chappell and being super weird about her boundaries. That's a very normal response! Don't blame Chappell Roan for canceling the shows. Blame the people who ruined it for everyone else because they couldn't help but try to put a queer woman in her place.
Literally. I went to one of her big shows, the infamous "you're no fun" one (IYKYK), and there really was a divide in the kinds of people attending the show. Up at the front, people were so nice to each other. Our group was grabbing food and water, saving each other spots, talking about our queer experiences. But at one point, one of the girls needed to go to the toilet. We held her spot, and made sure she made it back safely. But by the time she got back, she was in tears. Apparently people were saying awful things to her, and shoving as she was trying to get back to us. It sucks, because Chappell herself has said that her shows are supposed to be for the queer people that have felt underrepresented on the big stage. And people harassing her, crowding the queer spaces, etc etc etc, is removing the very people Chappell wanted in these spaces. I fully support her taking a break and reassessing. I waited for Kesha and I'll wait for her too. I'd rather have her alive than passed of something tragic.
You are never entitled to another person's life. Period. If they haven't invited you personally, keep away.
I feel like the boys are hinting at someone specific in the end. It sounds all code-y you know what I mean? Like they’re speaking using ko-de words.
I decody koded who you’re talking about…
I do believe you are Korrect.
Bazinga
I understand getting super interested and invested in a piece of art or media, but becoming so obsessed with a PERSON that you think you’re entitled to a stranger’s attention? Bonkers! Also it’s odd to be this early, great video guys!
This is happening after Demi's documentary where she literally says how she did so many shows to the point where she wasn't sleeping at all and ended up having to be TRICKED into going into rehab so that she is FORCED to rest??
I remember watching a video of a Japanese rock artist, where he was walking past the crowd, basically just touching outstretched hands as he walked by, when someone snagged his arm and it became like a frenzy among piranhas. Everyone started trying to grab a piece of him, dragging him into the crowd, and he tried to get away but couldn’t and basically had to go entirely limp and wait for security to pull him free. It was terrifying to see so many people treat a human like a piece of meat.
I love how you said that not everything is push through. Because it's not, but people will make it seem like you have to.
I'm a nurse and was having a really hard time mentally a few months ago so I was calling into work because I just couldn't get up or brush my teeth, or eat, or sleep. I went to my hospital's employee health department to tell them I was struggling mentally and if there were any resources, but admitting that my issue was mental health screwed me over. I was naive because my hospital constantly preached about mental health and how it supports its workers. The hospital told me that I need to push through because that's how I'll feel better and that just because I feel a "little" bad I can't call in sick for it, or that maybe I just can't handle nursing and should find a different career. They said this to me after I was talking about how much I was suffering. I felt completely invalidated. Despite my province experiencing a big shortage of nurses and my years of experience, the hospital was trying to let me go even though I provided piles and piles of doctors' notes and forms. How does that make sense? Don't you want to retain skilled nurses? Going through a rough time doesn't mean it's forever. Just help me get better.
I'm so thankful for my union for protecting me. I don't know how I'd get through it without my union rep. Probably would have had to hire a lawyer.
I wasn't even receiving pay for being off so on top of going through a horrible time mentally, my family started having to use the food bank because I wasn't bringing any money in.
Canada definitely likes to portray itself as caring about health and others but when it comes down to it, these institutions will toss you out. I'm doing better now but anytime I feel awful and should probably take a mental health break, I get severe anxiety that if I take time off they'll try to fire me again.
I love nursing. I worked very hard to get to where I am and during COVID when I was in the ER, I didn't call in sick, I even picked up shifts to help out. Like I know we live and understand life from our own perspective but is it really that difficult to see other people as just as human as you are? With thoughts, feelings and wants?
Depending on the province out of 100 brand new nurses, half will leave the profession before the age of 35. We need these young nurses, we need them to stay and want to become experienced nurses. I don't know the status of things in the US, but I'm sure it's just as messed up with nurses who are having mental issues getting thrown to the side.
It was really nice to hear you putting out such validating content. And thank you for coming to my TED Talk
I'm so sorry you had to go through that ❤ you're awesome and you deserve to be treated with the respect you deserve!
That's truly awful, I'm so sorry, I've been through similar stuff in work and it's always a shock to be told something like that when you're just trying to do your best. Ty for all your hard work, you've definitely made differences in lives.❤
Love the Cody shade lol
There's a much smaller musician I follow, who already lives with a chronic illness, that went on tour a few months back, only to immediately get sick with bronchitis at the beginning of the tour. He did his best to push through and perform at as many of the scheduled shows as he could. The show I went to was only his 3rd stop and he was already losing his voice, so obviously he had to cancel a few due to the illness, but so many people were completely horrid to him for it, sending him nasty messages and death threats. It was awful. Apparently physical ailments aren't a good enough reason to cancel now either. 🙄
I remember a long time ago i saw a comedian i really liked at a different comedians show, just in the audience, i thought about going over and geeking out but then i thought "he's just out watching a show, i think he's with friends, i don't want to disrupt that".
They're still people after all.
Edit: to be clear, no problem going up to them at their own show, but the night wasn't about them.
The comment about how politicians *put* themselves into places of public authority and *should* be criticized about the decisions they are making as representatives is extremely important.
There's such a huge difference between demanding to know what your favorite artist's stance on a political topic is and demanding to know what an elected official's stance is on a political topic is. One of them is a person who's just existing, the other person is someone elected into office as someone who is supposed to represent you as a voter.
It should be noted that you are allowed to criticize and talk about like, your favorite artist's support (ESPECIALLY FINANCIALLY) of something you don't stand for but at the end of the day you can't really change the way someone else *is* or what someone believes. Like, I don't buy Harry Potter merch because I know that supporting JKR means putting money that she puts towards anti-trans bills in her country, for example. People just take a lot of things way too far and feel entitled to every aspect of a celebrity's life and the internet has not helped that notion at all.
But yeah, there's a huge difference with celebrities and politicians. One of those people has the power to strip your rights away from you and order military strikes on innocents, and should be held accountable for that. The other person is a celebrity for something they've done or created.
All this being said it's not black and white, cause there's a bit of nuance in everything.
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I do think there's also just something so toxic to modern discourse between celebrities and the public.
I saw her say that people should engage with politics and vote for the person who's politics they agree with.
That is an incredibly basic, neutral take on democracy, that should not be a controversial position but she had to respond and be like "no, I'm not voting for trump guys".
And as if it was ever a question who she would vote for as well 🤦♀️ I was so weirded out about how people reacted to that! She was telling people to do their own research and make an educated choice. What is there to get mad about?! People really need to use their time for more useful things 😅
Not to mention someone **sexually. Assaulted.** Chappell.
I go to Comic Cons Sometimes,&,I’ll Get Autographs,Photo Ops Done With my Favorite Celebrities,I Know Where to Draw The Line,I Would Never in a Million Years Stalk my Favorite Celebrities,Now if They’re Out in Public Then Yeah,I’d Probably go up to Them,Ask For a Selfie,&,an Autograph,That’s it,1 of my All Time Favorite Things to do at a Comic Con is to go to Panels so I Can Ask Questions
also these werent her shows, this was a festival there were other artists performing, people could have been going just for her but that does not change the fact that she was not the only one there
28:10 cough cough cody cough cough👀
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whatever the job and the level of success at said profession people are people, and many like to leave work at work, so if the work is being a performer and the situation is not one specifically designated for that exchange, then you're just intruding on off-the-clock hours, it's a coin toss how you'll be received and it's not hard to comprehend why it wouldn't go well
My two favourite guys on the internet ❤
Great video as always gentlemen
Love the Free Palestine mention 🍉🍉🍉🍉
Same!! 🇵🇸
Fact correction: most federal, state and local government reps get zero personal protection. And we do have specifice committee meetings, etc that allow for civil communication with representitives of governments.
Getting in people's personal space on their private time is never ok. So I am really pushing back on the notion that it's ok to interrupt private space of a public servant. As a woman, I am afraid to serve my local and state community in government and in public service jobs because of people getting into women's personal space and the general attitude that a public servant and their home, their family, their pets are fair game for aggression posed as commentary or "participation"
That’s literally why you ask “Can I have a photo?” It’s to get THEIR boundary, their answer.
I JUST NOTICED THE WHITEWASHED JARVIS FIGURINE AND DREW GOODEN SAUS POSTER IN THE BACKGROUND
For some interactions though, socially awkward or not very experienced people may not act in a way that's perceived as appropriate. I think it's up to both parties to be accountable, those who are putting themselves out there with content should be aware of the risks included, and that many fans may be basement dwellers who adore or grow attached due to a lack of interactions. Just my thoughts.
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Good gosh, this is reminding me of one of my old jobs...
This person doesn't really understand the situation at all....
i think some of the people who take some kind of issue with celebrities speaking out on this aren’t necessarily condoning the actions of people who take things to the extreme, but they also don’t want to reckon with the fact that some of the things they consider socially acceptable (the “right” way) when randomly encountering a celebrity they admire is also included in that. like, yeah there’s a difference between stalking them and showing up at their house vs. randomly running into them at the store, but like. taking photos or videos of them going about their lives, swarming them and asking them to sign things, trying to get into a big conversation (however “nice” what you’re saying is), etc. etc. is still pretty weird. of course the normalization of these behaviors is also due to the sense of entitlement and ownership people tend to feel towards celebrities as “fans”, but. yeah i do think there are some well-meaning people who don’t want to admit that maybe the thing they did one time, regardless of how “nice” or “respectful” they felt they were, wasn’t actually perceived that way
u should talk about jeremy fragrance!!!
why? so many other youtubers already have and it's super old news
22:55 I tell it like it is in that I’m autistic lmao
jordan is crazzzyyy handsome.
amen 🙏
100% agree that it is weird behavior. So i doodle at my workplace and usually leave my drawings on my desk because ill probably work on them the next day a little. At on of our cookouts the janitorial father-daughter duo came and the daughter went looking for me. She liked my drawings, was taking pictures of them for her personal reference (other artists know thats kinda a no no without permission), hugged me and asked for a photo. I was not equipped to deal with that and while i am a very social person, it was very uncomfortable! Especially since my drawings are pretty personal, not kid friedly and she was like 12. If i ever were to do youtube i would never show my fae because i was very flattered but kinda hated it.
Like if u think Jordan should upload videos on his main acc again
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Im so early 🤭
1 minute and 1 view? They fell off
she shouldn’t be famous if she doesn’t like, or can’t handle attention. negative or positive. it has nothing to do with her being a woman or being queer, when you put yourself online and make yourself into a “celebrity” you are inviting in attention. if she didn’t want it, she could stop making music publicly, or making social media posts. people should be held accountable for being weird, but people will always be weird, and those things have ALWAYS come with fame. best wishes for her.
absolutely agree that she should not feel guilty for feeling overwhelmed and creeped out by the attention she's receiving, and if she truly didn't anticipate the way she's been received I can understand that as well, but the thing that rubbed me the wrong way was her delivery in the tiktok. I'm in no way a fan of hers--on the contrary I find her music to be very grating--but I feel that if she wanted to get the message across to the general populace of her fans she could have put it much more kindly, as the two of you did in this very video! as a kid I did my fair share of celeb-stalking online and as an adult I cringe at my past behavior, but this has been a well-documented side-effect of fame since the dawn of celebrity. she can afford to hire security and a team to manage the people who take it too far, but as a public figure I think it's irresponsible and naive of her to have thought gaining more popularity would have led to any other conclusion. I think stepping back as much as she is now able, since the cat's rather out of the bag, is a good idea
Yea, no. I'm so tired of the whole "you have to speak up in a friendly manner to be heard." And it's been said to women on so many different occasions!
I don't know her music, but it was hard to miss all the drama around her setting boundaries. And she tried to make her point in a calm manner at first, and look how people reacted to that. She can voice her boundaries with anger, cause people crossing personal boundaries is not normal. Good on her for advocating for her mental health!
So here's my concern, and it's not directly aimed at Roan but any celebs that complain about people asking for photos or whatever: what about all these celebrities they take pictures with? Are they ALL your personal friends? It always seems less like "people invading my personal space are weird!" and more "get these non-famous pleebs away from me! I'm not like you!" Roan may be consistent with this, and I'd applaud that, but too many celebs say this but will pose with any other famous person without a second thought *cough* Diddy*cough*
Only 2 comments? Y’all fell off HARD
So I agree that people wanting to touch famous people they don’t know could be creepy. This is where I take issue with what she’s saying. She went out and put herself out to be known. She’s wanted the fame and money. Yet, now she wants to be mad about getting attention that is well known to come with it. Now people showing up at your family members home or work. This is not ok. People running up and touching you without asking is not ok. However someone coming up and saying can I get a quick picture I don’t think is weird. Does she have the right to say no yes she absolutely does but she also needs to recognize that people then have the right to call you an ass for treating them rudely.
I don’t think it’s fair to say that, they were literally making the point that even if at one point you wanted the fame, it’s ok to take a step back on that (as chappell clearly is). she is bipolar and being addressed by strangers for a photo while having a breakdown seems like it’s not a situation to critique how brusk she’s being. she’s setting boundaries publicly so she doesn’t have to be rude, and people are calling her entitled when she’s being open about how harmful this is for her. you might think it’s harsh but i imagine it’s much worse for her, we aren’t entitled to a gentle way of her saying no.
it's not rude to have boundaries sara
You shouldnt have to sacrafice your ability to set boundaries just because you want to share your music.
did you not listen??
Bieber didn't go through so much bs... He CREATED be everywhere he went...
Nahhh, Bieber fans were wild! Yes he did some things that attracted a lot of attention (the monkey comes to mind 😅), but that never means it's okay to invade someone's personal space and cross those boundaries.