@Internatube girl how do you think generational wealth works…? she’s staying in a house due to her MOTHER’S connections, they will never go hungry or have an unpaid medical bill, because of the family they were born into-something 99% of the population can’t relate to. That’s what makes them in the 1%. 🙃🙃🙃
my first encounter with a trust fund kid was him kicking soccer balls over our head into the park full of toddlers next to his giant soccer field. a real karen called hawaiian cops on us because her son kept kicking balls at our car... that was the funniest moment ever when the cops got there.
See this is interesting cause to me it screamed "I haven't acknowledged my traumas cause that would mean summit like acknowledging my parents are dickheads so I'm gonna invent some evil man to replace them and focus on that instead" I can't imagine growing up wi out of touch rich probs right wing ppl around you is good for u as a kid
@@StercusAcciditMedia could also be the case It could also be a form of attention seeking maybe he got a bit neglected at home and is now making these stories about past lives to get that. But I hasn't thought about the other option of him actually having trauma and just pretending it's in a different life to make it easier on himself. Thanks for the eye opener :) I shouldn't assume too fast
The way she keeps saying “I’m a tiny musician and he’s a tiny tennis player” makes me think of that House Hunters meme. I keep expecting her next line to be “our budget is $3.4 million” which doesn’t help her case.
The extended ooooohhhhhhh after “the tanzanite he got for free after paying 10,000 for a shaman experience” is perfect as the pieces all fall into place
I think her trying to say that he’s a good guy or something for the rabbit picture is actually kinda funny because he’s holding it wrong, bunnies get super stressed out when put on their backs, the reason they could get a good picture is because rabbits have a FEAR response and will freeze up
I had alarm bells ringing at "Tiktok, do your thing". Not "what are our options" or "any experts on this", just straight to brigading would put me off even if they were in the right.
@@soogymoogiI’d love an opal ring, but that’s exactly the reason I won’t 😂 it’s a 5.5-6 on Moh’s scale. I think that’s why things like diamond, moissanite and sapphire are so popular for engagement rings.
Jeweller here. There were some big red flags from the jump. First of all, tanzanites aren't nearly as valuable as she was claiming. With gemstones there can be a rare chance that you'll come across a specimen that's a unique colour or clarity, making it more valuable than it usually would, but not by this much. Plus, jewellers insure their packages. It's just a given, especially for a larger company like this because there's always more to lose when a piece goes missing that it's never worth it to take the risk. In fact, there's an array of high value courier services that we use, ranging from some pretty standard insured package setups to shipping pieces with bodyguards and transporting in armoured vehicles. That way, should a package get stolen, the business can always afford to replace the item. The problem here is what they were asking for is in another tax bracket to what it was actually worth. Those are just a couple of the big points but I could go on honestly. To someone who knows anything about the industry it just becomes plainly obvious that she doesn't have receipts/isn't telling the full truth. Also, to Jordan's point about them shipping the stone somewhere to have it cut, most jewellers outsource their gem cutting. Jewellers and lapidarists/gem cutters are very different professions. They may seem similar but that's not the case at all and there simply isn't enough overlap for a jewellery business to have a cutter in house and vice versa.
@@krazyworld6433 well the wild part is that they apparently didn't even pay $10k for the tanzanite. They paid $10k for the SHAMAN EXPERIENCE, and the tanzanite was a freebie that they got while there. they lied and said they spent the $10k on the tanzanite when they really got it for free/near-free.
They made a 10k purchase (in the jungle somewhere?) on vibes alone and "trust me bro", with no receipt, so presumably cash they had lyinh around in a suitcase? That "shaman" laughed all the way to the bank
I'd say it does depend, as some Jewelers in my area do have it listed as in house even though they do mail it off, to another place of their company, I think the misconception stems from the mystery jewelery stores still hold over their practices to the common man and the wording used to describe it
A ten THOUSAND dollar tazanite crystal? Tanzanite is "only" $100-800 per carat. I genuinely cannot tell if she's straight up lying for the sake of the video, if her signifcant other lied to her about how much money he spent on her (even though they're, like, totally not materialistic or anything because they're hippies broooo), or if they just straight up got scammed Edit as I didn't watch fully before commenting (I know I know): Okay, that question was answered, but interestingly, that was definitely raw tanzanite. The Tanzanian government banned the export of raw tanzanite in an attempt to support their local jewlers
I went to google and I found that for the 800/carat ones, there are those that go up to 10/11 carats, which brings the price to around 10k The ones ive seen at this price range aren't raw and are usually cut already But of course, none of that is relevant to this story because 10k was the price of the shaman experience, not the gem😊
from what i see online the export ban is only for tanzanite over 5 carats, so i'm guessing it was under that. Either that, or the "free" tanzanite from the 10k shaman experience is a loophole around the ban because it's not being sold
It's a sleight of hand. It has no relevance to the story except to tug at your heartstrings and get you emotionally invested since there was a massive curtain hiding all of the logical details. People with money know how to manipulate others into getting what they want.
It reminds me of the way the media frames certain people who face criminal charges. If they want to villainize you, they will put up your mug shot. If they want People to sympathize, they'll use the photo of you in your graduation robes or something like volunteering at an animal shelter. Brock Turner comes to mind.
It was to show he was just a gentle soul and also banking on pretty privilege and telling the story of rescuing the bunny. That woman’s hair cost big bucks! They paid $10,000 for a shaman experience (!) and get a Tanzania and didn’t even get an appraisal but just go with what the shaman said? These people are wealthy! They’re so out of touch with reality.
I still don't really understand... It costs $10000 to treat constipated chakras? And they aren't saying the Shamans are the scammers? I'm sure I'm missing something. These people are just generally very confusing. They believe in reincarnation but not karma apparently. Convenient
I used to wear a ring of a similar style as a kid and it was worth so little that if I'd lost it my parents would not care. They'd only care that losing it would have bummed me out. The style is cheap as hell is what I'm saying. And no piddling little chunk of tanzanite is going to be worth 10,000 dollars! It's not even a precious stone!
@@foxbunsid bet that it's not that it's impossible to make synthetic tanzanite. It's just that at roughly $500/carat with no commercial/industrial value, no one would even bother.
@@TheMisternyanExactly. Most stones and gemstones can be synthetically recreated. I imagine the only ones that can’t are ones which special flash (but even then, it may still be possible just more expensive)
It rubs me off in a terrible way the fact that she is always trying to 1- seem relatable and not wealthy; 2- seem like such a good and kind person; 3- flaunt her wealth while doing all that lol She says she is just a little indie musician............. with a 10k ring. And we are like, such good people, look at the bunnyyyy! And like, my mom's house in Mali, and my 10k ring, and like, omg............... such a red flag
Hi, I'm a jeweler. It's pretty common to send stones to be cut somewhere else. (India) I agree that there should be a person/ tools on sight to cut stones, but it's cheaper. As a corp they should be ensuring any packages sent. Also Tanzanite is 100-800 per carat. (When cut) Buy lab, it's exactly the same but isn't destabilising Kilimanjaro.
I mean what is the destabilization of Kilimanjaro in comparison to the pressingly urgent cutting of this wealthy white mans definitely-not-made-up soul ties from a previous life? Have you no heart?? (full sarcasm, in case it wasnt clear)
Crystal queen at your service: Tanzania is one of the few places that it is explicitly forbidden to mine (Botswana and Madagascar as well) so I am promising you that this legitimate jewelry company had to report and send the crystal back to Africa and these folks are donezo
Thats not true at all. A simple google search will being up (for example) the process of applying to the govmnt of botswana for a minerals permit, or, on the Tanzanian gov site: "The Government plans to have this sector (mining) contribute 10% of GDP by 2025."
"The Mining Act provides indigenous rights to holders of primary mining licences and gemstone mining licences. These licences are only issued to Tanzania citizens or mining companies where the composition of the board and the shareholding structure consists exclusively of Tanzanian citizens. There are however exceptions under the Mining Act in relation to gemstone mining licences." -Velma Law, Dar es Salaam, Tanzania
I use to help ship jewelry from a large department store chain for cleaning/fixing and not only is everything aggressively insured but like meticulously tracked and packages can't go over certain amounts of value (not sure if that's for insurance reasons or tax/shipping reasons), there's a lot going on to shipping expensive things, hell I had to have a security guard watch me take the items from the safe and put them in the shipping bags.
As someone who works at a jewelry store her whole story has tons of red flags. To keep your insurance as a jewelry store you have to send all packages with insurance it’s not an option. The price of the “crystal” was sus. And then the kicker was the image of the ring. That family heirloom? Did not look very heirloom plus it had an emerald in it. An older emerald would show a lot of wear. If I had to guess from looking it’s from maybe the 1980s but that style of ring was most popular in the 2010s.
Can you explain exactly what you mean by "like that"? Is it the angle? Is it something about the way he's holding it? And can you also explain *why* they should not be held like that? From the caps lock and large number of exclamation points it seems like this is very important and urgent information, except you haven't actually provided any information for those of us who are genuinely uninformed on the topic.
@@meowJACK Holding a rabbit upside down puts them into a trance state where they can’t move. They become literally immobile with fear. Rabbits that are consistently held on their backs have been shown to have the rabbit version PTSD.
@@meowJACKWhile it’s true that the OG comment didn’t provide info, you are more than capable of typing into google “holding a rabbit on its back” or something similar to get the info yourself.
To be fair, I would be pissed off if someone stole my hella expensive precious gemstone that meant a lot to me, but also she does come off as pretty out of touch when talking about her and her husband’s careers and backgrounds, not to mention the “straight from the mines” bit like wtf listen to yourself💀💀💀 WAIT I finished the video and wtf how does $10000 on a shaman experience equate to valuing an $500 mineral and ring as $10000??? 💀💀💀
The most terrible thing is that king jewelry can’t do ANYTHING to “Make it right”, they don’t have the ring, and a jeweller of that kind doesn’t exactly have some extra diamonds lying around
King Jewelers offered to make them a new ring with tanzanite, but they refused and instead asked for $25000 when the ring and tanzanite weren't worth more than $200. The bf never put a price when he took the ring and stone to King Jewelers and refused to get them insured when it was offered.
Maybe I'm being pedantic, but the thing her mom would be doing would be INTERPRETING, not translating. An interpreter works with live texts (speeches, presentations, actual people trying to communicate with each other), and a translator works with static texts (books, movies, poems). I can't imagine why the Red Cross would need a translator to travel to a specific impacted location, so the mom is probably an interpreter. You'd think someone whose mom does it for a living would know the difference, no?
Translating official documents perhaps? It can be really hard to get important documentation (marriage certificates for example) translated without either paying money or the assistance of a not for profit. One of my coworkers does migration law and some documents have to be filled out offshore and we just have to hope there is someone who can translate in whichever refugee camp we're sending things to.
It sounds like such an excuse, why would Red Cross give one of their interpreters a multimillion dollar mansion to set up base. An apartment or long term hotel situation, maybe a small house, those make sense. A *mansion*??
I clearly remember reading that native Hawaiians were asking people to stay away. That turism is hurting them as a people and their land. So limiting visits to visiting people and not tourism seems like the only respectful way to do that, if it's not for work. Respect isn't hard. Just don't do it, if someone asked tou not to.
That they just believe and don’t ask any questions before acting is just crazy! People need media training so bad and critical thinking tests. This kind of thing can cause job loss, business closures, divorces, drug abuse/drinking (even though alcohol is an actual drug. But they don’t tell us that!) or even lives. People need to ask questions and give things time and not just believe the pretty lady’s story and leave fake 1 star reviews. What is wrong with people?
this is why I usually wait 8 to 10 days before watching videos about current drama going on. usually, within that timeframe, more information has come out that contradicts or elaborates on the original drama
@@aquatiger8that’s a good policy. I’m usually just late to the stories anyway and don’t have to try, but if I think about it there’s definitely been times where I was too gullible if I heard them early
i love how Jarvis can relate to me on going back to the islands. I was literally born and raised on Hawaii and i felt so guilty being on a plane back there because im just another white person. a lot of what you said at the end there is exactly how i feel. its so crazy seeing somebody on the internet who thinks the same. i literally have all of those thoughts when visiting my FAMILY and hometowns!! I havent heard anyone else talk about hawaii like me since i moved away. the mainland is literally a fake place to you when you grow up on those islands haha. this place is STILL so foreign to me, and its so weird to be here.
This reminds me of when my ex can tell I wanted out of the relationship and got me a ring (not a proposal) and said he spend the rest of his money on it and made this huge sacrifice to prove to me blah blah blah.. when we broke up I went to get it appraised and they said it wasn’t even worth the appraisal fee
To be fair jewelry stores charge a lot more for rings than they would ever pay for one, usually they just buy them for scrap. maybe he wasn't lying to you about what he paid and he was just a rube
The concept reminded me of my mom's experience with a jeweler who lost her wedding ring. Except she lost it because said jeweler was in the WTC and 9/11 happened while the ring was with them. So I imagine I'll have an amount less sympathy for the trust fund hippie
@@joefromfamilyguy3952 To make a long story short, at the time I both went a daycare center in one of the buildings and also my apartment building was like 5 minutes away on foot. So there was a lot of pressing danger that day. Haha
I don't usually get violent unless there's animals involved, but damn watching the video of them together triggers my flight or fight response on the fight end. I never realized these fists were pansexual before
And most women would easily clock how much she pays for her hair and looks like she gets blowouts on the daily. If you’re not full of it you tell all the details. I wish people weren’t so reactive and not looking up the price of tanzanite and asking them some questions before writing bad reviews. It’s ridiculous they got free jewelry she can wear to Maui where it sounds like she’s been very often! And complain after they’re still recovering from a disaster! Revolting couple, omg!
Businesses can go to Google and tell them that they’re being spammed because they were sent there from a viral video or something else, they will take them down (especially because the business can tell them they’re not legitimate reviews of people who have done business with them)
Thank you for making this channel. I often do not have time to listen to the entire podcast But with these clips I still get to enjoy things from the podcast
I'm genuinely astounded that her first video received such a positive reception at all. I guess yeah technically she had been wronged if her story is true but I've just never seen someone soooo difficult to relate to. From the 'oh im just a widdle musician and my hubby is just a tennis player' when they obviously have mad family money to have even gotten in this position, to the hippy woo woo chakra healing past lives that I can't even pretend to take seriously. That shaman did not have to try very hard to scam these two. They clearly have the money and connections to just take this to court why are they asking strangers on TikTok with far less resources than you to solve your problem for you. If you have 10K for chakra healing and a rock, you can hire a decent lawyer. The only reason not to go to court is if their story is leaving out some key details as to why the court might NOT rule in their favour, HMMMM. "TikTok do your thing." She knew what she was doing and made no effort to tell people not to leave fake reviews. She's playing a nice girl hippie act but there's a vindictiveness to this that screams spoiled mean girl. She wasn't asking for advice on how to resolve the manner properly, she wanted to force this business to give them more than the rock and ring were actually worth or ruin the business if they wouldn't.
this whole ring situation is wild, because obviously losing someone's ring and not telling them is messed up, let alone sending it off without telling them etc. but somehow the way she talks about it, the whole past lives story etc just makes the whole thing sound fake - and they literally got their fans to review bomb this place with obviously fake reviews, and then acted like it was unfair for those fake reviews to be removed 😆 how did everyone manage to be wrong in this situation
also they describe themselves as 'a little bit hippie' and then immediately said that they got the tanzanite straight from the mines LIKE WHAT, as much as the hippe subculture literally just started as a way for rich kids to rebel against their parents i think it is more commonly seen nowadays as like and anticapitalist activism kind of thing, hippie is a subculture not a style
As a student on disability I ended up saving for two months in order to buy a $500 ring on Etsy. (Shout out to Henry Rocky!) It is absolutely beautiful, alexandrite surrounded by moissanite. My wife still wears it whenever we go out, she really really loves it. Not saying people should spend $500 or less on an engagement ring, but the whole “were just a poor musician and tennis player with a $10,000 jewel” WOMP WOMP, get over it.
that is a TERRIFIED rabbit why is he holding him like that 😭 poor guys in a state of tonic immobility😭😭😭 just in my experience, if anyone's curious, bunnies like to have their feet supported or even their heads tucked into your elbow. but NOT being held with their bellies up like a baby. they're prey animals who rely on their legs being on the ground instinctively
Even that was bull crap for a storyline! And diamond earrings above a certain karat have screw back earrings which are incredibly effective! You have to have minutes to take them on/off. My friend had 2 karat highly rated ones. But it’s a great line!
The way Americans think of Polynesian countries as just being like Disneyland instead of entire countries with history and culture is infuriating. They just think Polynesia is their personal theme park where they get to drink coconut milk and go "aloha" and not an incredibly diverse and rich region that deserves to be treated as such. (Yes I said Hawaii was a country, that's on purpose, I don't want to validate America's occupation of Hawaii, Hawaii is much more than just an American state and Americans should start treating it like it's another country with it's own completely separate history and culture because it is in every way except in the eyes of the yanks, I don't want to call Hawaii a state because it feels disrespectful.)
My husband and I got our engagement rings together and also use them as our wedding rings. We got a matching set (identical rings but with different stones and mine has an extra center stone) from Zales. Mine is white sapphire and was $80 with 9 gems in total. His was $200 and is diamond with 8 gems in total. We have lifetime warranties for repairs, resizing, and cleaning. The only thing is if we lose it, we’ll have to buy a new one, but those replacement warranties are only for certain rings that are usually incredibly expensive. Why we would spend thousands of dollars on something when the rest of our wedding already cost us an arm and a leg is beyond me.
11:31 as somone who bred bunnies in the past this definitely appears to be a domestic rabbit. I’ve dealt with people dumping pet rabbits it sucks i wish people would stop it gets the worst a few weeks after Easter. If I had to guess the breed I would say lionhead but that’s because I bred lionhead/Netherland dwarf mixes
I'm sorry, but if you're able to not only survive, but heal your chakras and buy $10000 jewels as an indie musician and a tennis player, you're not "little."
On that last point, I can understand not feeling quite right going to Hawaii for tourism while they're still dealing with the aftermath, but on the flip side, that's where they get a lot of their income. If anything, they need that extra bit of help. So long as you're not being completely insensitive and complaining about some things being closed down due to rebuilding efforts. It's a tough situation, and it's certainly difficult to say which is the better choice. But going and complaining about how inconvenienced you, personally, were, now that's something everyone can agree is the wrong choice.
@@TC-ku4vvI mean, yeah? But some people still want to visit and that’s OP’s point. Tourism is okay as long as you’re respectful and aware of what locals are dealing with.
there’s been a push from many native hawaiians asking that people stop vacationing there. tourism and rich people moving to hawai`i drives up the cost of living for native people as well as other detrimental effects on both the people and the ecosystems there. tourist economies are unsustainable in a lot of places and result in the people who live there being pushed out and marginalized in favor of rich folks vacationing or moving in.
At the end, when he proposes to her, they're not wearing any shoes. Of course, these are the kind of people to not wear shoes in the middle of the woods. 🙄
ngl the cynical part about me is curious why she keeps mentioning her being a musician, wondering if it was some sort of ploy to get sympathy fans of her music :|
I think people going to a business and review bombing for an influencer is crazy. Y’all really care that much about other random people?? I feel bad about this woman’s engagement ring, but come on?
"I'm a musician and my boyfriend is a tennis player" ... OK so this is "rich people problems" then (No offense to any struggling musicians or athletes trying to make it big while working a day job, you're valid... I just feel like if these people had day jobs she would have brought those up, instead of self-identifying as a musician dating a tennis player, if she was trying to convey a lack of financial means and position herself as an underdog. Which it seems like you'd want to do for a case like this.)
So justifying to hear the Tanzinite was only worth $500 ; from the start, the “10k” sounded off to me. They typically sell for around $100-$350 a carat (last time I checked anyways) ; so it’s possible, but seemed unlikely to me.
Id want to know if a store lost someones 10k ring, i honetly dont agree with review bombimg but id also want to know if someone lost a 10k ring and a famiky heriloom and one comment is gonna get lost!.😊
Ultimately she would have gotten so much support if she hadn’t added all that background information about their careers and past lives and chakras. Their story at first glance seem cut and paste shitty and worthy of sympathy. But you can sense her hyper awareness that this storyline could be an opportunity to brand herself and her boyfriend so she couldn’t resist the temptation to add all this stuff that makes them seem annoying and unlikable
as soon as I heard her say "I'm just a little musician and he's just a little tennis player" I was like "oh they've got money for SURE"
Correction: THEY don't have money. Their rich ass PARENTS have it.
My initial thought was "isn't this what small claims court is for?" Very suspicious that they didn't just sue.
@Internatube girl how do you think generational wealth works…? she’s staying in a house due to her MOTHER’S connections, they will never go hungry or have an unpaid medical bill, because of the family they were born into-something 99% of the population can’t relate to. That’s what makes them in the 1%. 🙃🙃🙃
@@samaraisnt i’m pretty sure that’s the point they were trying to drive home. not positive tho.
I like tennis but I have never heard of her boyfriend...
jarvis dressed like timmy turner
Guess he finally grew up
I came here to make this same comment
Grew up and got a TAN
he wished to be a youtuber
That's all I see now
“We’re just two widdle twust fund babies 🥺”
Seriously! They are that rich yet they look that jank? Yikes.
Nooo they're spiritchall hippies with awoken chakras 😂 why is that what she opened with??
@@stephe1506 spiritchall lolll
👉🏻👈🏻
my first encounter with a trust fund kid was him kicking soccer balls over our head into the park full of toddlers next to his giant soccer field.
a real karen called hawaiian cops on us because her son kept kicking balls at our car... that was the funniest moment ever when the cops got there.
The whole murdered in a previous life screams "im too privileges so im inventing non existent trauma to get sympathy"
I wish I was so untouched by trauma my only problems were an imaginary past life
@@LoveEachDay94 same same
I wish all my traumas were from a past life and some "chakra healing" could just melt them away
it's giving "I grew up into a toxic person, and needed some other scenario besides my problematic mindset to 'heal' so I can tell people I've changed"
See this is interesting cause to me it screamed "I haven't acknowledged my traumas cause that would mean summit like acknowledging my parents are dickheads so I'm gonna invent some evil man to replace them and focus on that instead" I can't imagine growing up wi out of touch rich probs right wing ppl around you is good for u as a kid
@@StercusAcciditMedia could also be the case
It could also be a form of attention seeking maybe he got a bit neglected at home and is now making these stories about past lives to get that. But I hasn't thought about the other option of him actually having trauma and just pretending it's in a different life to make it easier on himself. Thanks for the eye opener :) I shouldn't assume too fast
We’re wideerly just two widdle guys who impowted a $10,000 blood stone 🥺
This, except it was only worth a few hundred dollars at most and either their shaman scammed them or they're shameless grifters (or both) lmao
*bwood stone
The way she keeps saying “I’m a tiny musician and he’s a tiny tennis player” makes me think of that House Hunters meme. I keep expecting her next line to be “our budget is $3.4 million” which doesn’t help her case.
The extended ooooohhhhhhh after “the tanzanite he got for free after paying 10,000 for a shaman experience” is perfect as the pieces all fall into place
"They used flushable wipes on their chakras" is another overlooked banger by Jordan😂😂😂
Oh boy, I love Trust Fund Hippies
The original hippie lol
Trustafarians
I think her trying to say that he’s a good guy or something for the rabbit picture is actually kinda funny because he’s holding it wrong, bunnies get super stressed out when put on their backs, the reason they could get a good picture is because rabbits have a FEAR response and will freeze up
Yeah that rabbit looked FREAKED which does not help their case lol
That’s sad for the rabbit but also hilarious irony
The bunny photo and story about “look how good of people we are” is a manipulation tactic.
everything they do is a manipulation tactic. I feel bad for people who can’t notice all the red flags in this widdle 25k scammer.
I had alarm bells ringing at "Tiktok, do your thing". Not "what are our options" or "any experts on this", just straight to brigading would put me off even if they were in the right.
Saying its "comforting" knowing that you can essentially get a whole group of ppl to dog pile and ruin careers is definitely a way to phrase it
the funniest part is that Tanzanite isn't the greatest engagement ring stone, it's a 6-6.5 on Moh's scale meaning it will be scratched by dust.
Yeah just seems like a bad idea. Ammolite is my fav stone but i wouldnt want it on engagement jewelry.
@@soogymoogiI just googled it. It's so pretty omg
@@soogymoogiI’d love an opal ring, but that’s exactly the reason I won’t 😂 it’s a 5.5-6 on Moh’s scale. I think that’s why things like diamond, moissanite and sapphire are so popular for engagement rings.
Jeweller here. There were some big red flags from the jump.
First of all, tanzanites aren't nearly as valuable as she was claiming. With gemstones there can be a rare chance that you'll come across a specimen that's a unique colour or clarity, making it more valuable than it usually would, but not by this much.
Plus, jewellers insure their packages. It's just a given, especially for a larger company like this because there's always more to lose when a piece goes missing that it's never worth it to take the risk. In fact, there's an array of high value courier services that we use, ranging from some pretty standard insured package setups to shipping pieces with bodyguards and transporting in armoured vehicles. That way, should a package get stolen, the business can always afford to replace the item. The problem here is what they were asking for is in another tax bracket to what it was actually worth.
Those are just a couple of the big points but I could go on honestly. To someone who knows anything about the industry it just becomes plainly obvious that she doesn't have receipts/isn't telling the full truth.
Also, to Jordan's point about them shipping the stone somewhere to have it cut, most jewellers outsource their gem cutting. Jewellers and lapidarists/gem cutters are very different professions. They may seem similar but that's not the case at all and there simply isn't enough overlap for a jewellery business to have a cutter in house and vice versa.
So it sounds like they got scammed paying $10,000 for it to begin with.
@@krazyworld6433 well the wild part is that they apparently didn't even pay $10k for the tanzanite. They paid $10k for the SHAMAN EXPERIENCE, and the tanzanite was a freebie that they got while there. they lied and said they spent the $10k on the tanzanite when they really got it for free/near-free.
They made a 10k purchase (in the jungle somewhere?) on vibes alone and "trust me bro", with no receipt, so presumably cash they had lyinh around in a suitcase?
That "shaman" laughed all the way to the bank
I'd say it does depend, as some Jewelers in my area do have it listed as in house even though they do mail it off, to another place of their company, I think the misconception stems from the mystery jewelery stores still hold over their practices to the common man and the wording used to describe it
My thought is that for the Tanzinite to be worth that much, it would have to be HUGE - not something you can just cut and set in a ring.
She said she planned on making earrings and other rings from that same stone??? Did she want one molecule on each piece of jewelry lol
i was genuinely expecting it to be at minimum the size of my fist for the price and that description
A ten THOUSAND dollar tazanite crystal? Tanzanite is "only" $100-800 per carat. I genuinely cannot tell if she's straight up lying for the sake of the video, if her signifcant other lied to her about how much money he spent on her (even though they're, like, totally not materialistic or anything because they're hippies broooo), or if they just straight up got scammed
Edit as I didn't watch fully before commenting (I know I know):
Okay, that question was answered, but interestingly, that was definitely raw tanzanite. The Tanzanian government banned the export of raw tanzanite in an attempt to support their local jewlers
I went to google and I found that for the 800/carat ones, there are those that go up to 10/11 carats, which brings the price to around 10k
The ones ive seen at this price range aren't raw and are usually cut already
But of course, none of that is relevant to this story because 10k was the price of the shaman experience, not the gem😊
meaning the reason the ring disappeared is probably because the company contacted the authorities and sent it back to africa LOL
from what i see online the export ban is only for tanzanite over 5 carats, so i'm guessing it was under that. Either that, or the "free" tanzanite from the 10k shaman experience is a loophole around the ban because it's not being sold
It is not inauthentic to delete google reviews from people who literally haven’t bought anything. What is this lady on about??
Why did she bring up the rabbit?! Was it filled with tanzanite or something? How is it related?!?!!
It's a sleight of hand. It has no relevance to the story except to tug at your heartstrings and get you emotionally invested since there was a massive curtain hiding all of the logical details. People with money know how to manipulate others into getting what they want.
@@fujitafunk problem is it just wasnt very slight on her part 🤣🤣
It reminds me of the way the media frames certain people who face criminal charges. If they want to villainize you, they will put up your mug shot. If they want People to sympathize, they'll use the photo of you in your graduation robes or something like volunteering at an animal shelter.
Brock Turner comes to mind.
@@CM-yz3ze oh absolutely
It was to show he was just a gentle soul and also banking on pretty privilege and telling the story of rescuing the bunny. That woman’s hair cost big bucks! They paid $10,000 for a shaman experience (!) and get a Tanzania and didn’t even get an appraisal but just go with what the shaman said? These people are wealthy! They’re so out of touch with reality.
It was the chakra bit that I had to restart because I thought I missed something.
I still don't really understand... It costs $10000 to treat constipated chakras? And they aren't saying the Shamans are the scammers? I'm sure I'm missing something. These people are just generally very confusing. They believe in reincarnation but not karma apparently. Convenient
I like how she said it was inauthentic to delete the inauthentic reviews. 😹
I used to wear a ring of a similar style as a kid and it was worth so little that if I'd lost it my parents would not care. They'd only care that losing it would have bummed me out. The style is cheap as hell is what I'm saying. And no piddling little chunk of tanzanite is going to be worth 10,000 dollars! It's not even a precious stone!
it's rarity and price comes from the fact that you cannot create synthetic tanzanite, and it only comes from a single area of Tanzania.
@@foxbunsid bet that it's not that it's impossible to make synthetic tanzanite. It's just that at roughly $500/carat with no commercial/industrial value, no one would even bother.
@@TheMisternyanExactly. Most stones and gemstones can be synthetically recreated. I imagine the only ones that can’t are ones which special flash (but even then, it may still be possible just more expensive)
Moral of the story: Not every dispute needs to be publicized on TikTok.
It rubs me off in a terrible way the fact that she is always trying to 1- seem relatable and not wealthy; 2- seem like such a good and kind person; 3- flaunt her wealth while doing all that lol
She says she is just a little indie musician............. with a 10k ring. And we are like, such good people, look at the bunnyyyy! And like, my mom's house in Mali, and my 10k ring, and like, omg............... such a red flag
*Maui
Hi, I'm a jeweler. It's pretty common to send stones to be cut somewhere else. (India)
I agree that there should be a person/ tools on sight to cut stones, but it's cheaper.
As a corp they should be ensuring any packages sent.
Also Tanzanite is 100-800 per carat. (When cut) Buy lab, it's exactly the same but isn't destabilising Kilimanjaro.
I mean what is the destabilization of Kilimanjaro in comparison to the pressingly urgent cutting of this wealthy white mans definitely-not-made-up soul ties from a previous life? Have you no heart?? (full sarcasm, in case it wasnt clear)
Tanzanite actually has never been successfully synthesized in a lab I don’t think
Exactly. Thank you especially for the last part.
hes a little tennis player, here six inches high and he rides on the ball
damn thats a tiny rabbit
It feels like looking at a video dictionary for the word 'self-absorbed'
Crystal queen at your service: Tanzania is one of the few places that it is explicitly forbidden to mine (Botswana and Madagascar as well) so I am promising you that this legitimate jewelry company had to report and send the crystal back to Africa and these folks are donezo
DUDE WHAT, I had no idea- that’s actually so wild, I hope they get jail time or at least a massive fine
Woaaaah this is quite a plot twist
Thats not true at all. A simple google search will being up (for example) the process of applying to the govmnt of botswana for a minerals permit, or, on the Tanzanian gov site: "The Government plans to have this sector (mining) contribute 10% of GDP by 2025."
i can't find anything online that says that's true- just that it's much more heavily regulated than in other places
"The Mining Act provides indigenous rights to holders of primary mining licences and gemstone mining licences. These licences are only issued to Tanzania citizens or mining companies where the composition of the board and the shareholding structure consists exclusively of Tanzanian citizens. There are however exceptions under the Mining Act in relation to gemstone mining licences." -Velma Law, Dar es Salaam, Tanzania
Her rings look like those mood rings you get as arcade prizes
Their plans being messed up while people’s houses are destroyed is literally the scene from Parasite
Omg I’m only 5 minutes in and I’m glad you guys giggled and judged them the way I did 💀💀
No one told her, but her ring was stolen by hobbits and cast into the fires of Mount Doom.
this is an extremely underrated comment
@ryanwillingham lol thanks
Hobbits are the real "little guys" in this story 😂
I use to help ship jewelry from a large department store chain for cleaning/fixing and not only is everything aggressively insured but like meticulously tracked and packages can't go over certain amounts of value (not sure if that's for insurance reasons or tax/shipping reasons), there's a lot going on to shipping expensive things, hell I had to have a security guard watch me take the items from the safe and put them in the shipping bags.
As someone who works at a jewelry store her whole story has tons of red flags. To keep your insurance as a jewelry store you have to send all packages with insurance it’s not an option. The price of the “crystal” was sus. And then the kicker was the image of the ring. That family heirloom? Did not look very heirloom plus it had an emerald in it. An older emerald would show a lot of wear. If I had to guess from looking it’s from maybe the 1980s but that style of ring was most popular in the 2010s.
Someone tell her that "My great gran bought this in the 1980s" doesn't mean "been in the family four generations"lol
17:13
It’s definitely 1980s. What a scam!
it was honestly giving "Every kiss begins with Kay" vibes when I saw it
DONT HOLD A RABBIT LIKE THAT!!!!!!!!!!!! 11:29
Can you explain exactly what you mean by "like that"? Is it the angle? Is it something about the way he's holding it? And can you also explain *why* they should not be held like that?
From the caps lock and large number of exclamation points it seems like this is very important and urgent information, except you haven't actually provided any information for those of us who are genuinely uninformed on the topic.
@@meowJACK Holding a rabbit upside down puts them into a trance state where they can’t move. They become literally immobile with fear. Rabbits that are consistently held on their backs have been shown to have the rabbit version PTSD.
@@meowJACKthis is an odd comment to me
@@meowJACKWhile it’s true that the OG comment didn’t provide info, you are more than capable of typing into google “holding a rabbit on its back” or something similar to get the info yourself.
To be fair, I would be pissed off if someone stole my hella expensive precious gemstone that meant a lot to me, but also she does come off as pretty out of touch when talking about her and her husband’s careers and backgrounds, not to mention the “straight from the mines” bit like wtf listen to yourself💀💀💀
WAIT I finished the video and wtf how does $10000 on a shaman experience equate to valuing an $500 mineral and ring as $10000??? 💀💀💀
Oh my god the “you finally did it”- “I did ittt…” and the way he looks at her like oh my god he hatessssss her
THIIIIIIIS, I swear the whole shaman experience thing was probably his way of convincing her to stop griping about his many character flaws
The most terrible thing is that king jewelry can’t do ANYTHING to “Make it right”, they don’t have the ring, and a jeweller of that kind doesn’t exactly have some extra diamonds lying around
King Jewelers offered to make them a new ring with tanzanite, but they refused and instead asked for $25000 when the ring and tanzanite weren't worth more than $200. The bf never put a price when he took the ring and stone to King Jewelers and refused to get them insured when it was offered.
Maybe I'm being pedantic, but the thing her mom would be doing would be INTERPRETING, not translating. An interpreter works with live texts (speeches, presentations, actual people trying to communicate with each other), and a translator works with static texts (books, movies, poems). I can't imagine why the Red Cross would need a translator to travel to a specific impacted location, so the mom is probably an interpreter.
You'd think someone whose mom does it for a living would know the difference, no?
Yeah I've literally found Lahaina aid scams via TH-cam comments
Translating official documents perhaps? It can be really hard to get important documentation (marriage certificates for example) translated without either paying money or the assistance of a not for profit. One of my coworkers does migration law and some documents have to be filled out offshore and we just have to hope there is someone who can translate in whichever refugee camp we're sending things to.
It sounds like such an excuse, why would Red Cross give one of their interpreters a multimillion dollar mansion to set up base. An apartment or long term hotel situation, maybe a small house, those make sense. A *mansion*??
I clearly remember reading that native Hawaiians were asking people to stay away. That turism is hurting them as a people and their land. So limiting visits to visiting people and not tourism seems like the only respectful way to do that, if it's not for work. Respect isn't hard. Just don't do it, if someone asked tou not to.
Thiss
Exactly!
She fabricated a hook like she's in Crusader Kings, and her extortion scheme still failed lmao
Should have invited more agents to her scheme smh
Not enough points in intrigue
Honestly, they could sue her for damages. She slandered them and it may have affected their business, beyond any sort of fraud charge.
Online vigilante behavior and the bandwagons it can create is such cop behavior to me sometimes
That they just believe and don’t ask any questions before acting is just crazy! People need media training so bad and critical thinking tests. This kind of thing can cause job loss, business closures, divorces, drug abuse/drinking (even though alcohol is an actual drug. But they don’t tell us that!) or even lives. People need to ask questions and give things time and not just believe the pretty lady’s story and leave fake 1 star reviews. What is wrong with people?
this is why I usually wait 8 to 10 days before watching videos about current drama going on. usually, within that timeframe, more information has come out that contradicts or elaborates on the original drama
@@aquatiger8that’s a good policy. I’m usually just late to the stories anyway and don’t have to try, but if I think about it there’s definitely been times where I was too gullible if I heard them early
Jordan is fucking HILARIOUS today holy shit
i love how Jarvis can relate to me on going back to the islands. I was literally born and raised on Hawaii and i felt so guilty being on a plane back there because im just another white person. a lot of what you said at the end there is exactly how i feel. its so crazy seeing somebody on the internet who thinks the same. i literally have all of those thoughts when visiting my FAMILY and hometowns!! I havent heard anyone else talk about hawaii like me since i moved away.
the mainland is literally a fake place to you when you grow up on those islands haha. this place is STILL so foreign to me, and its so weird to be here.
Is the mainland the US? Because I think it's a bit silly to consider the USA and Hawaii geographically related.
This reminds me of when my ex can tell I wanted out of the relationship and got me a ring (not a proposal) and said he spend the rest of his money on it and made this huge sacrifice to prove to me blah blah blah.. when we broke up I went to get it appraised and they said it wasn’t even worth the appraisal fee
Omg nooo.. at least it sounded like you dodged him eventually
To be fair jewelry stores charge a lot more for rings than they would ever pay for one, usually they just buy them for scrap.
maybe he wasn't lying to you about what he paid and he was just a rube
FREE TANZANITE FOR A TEN THOUSAND DOLLAR SHAMAN EXPERIENCE IS SUCH A CRAZY REVEAL
She can show proof of her boyfriend but not receipts of anything else I think she's hoping everybody just focuses on him and how nice he is lol
The concept reminded me of my mom's experience with a jeweler who lost her wedding ring. Except she lost it because said jeweler was in the WTC and 9/11 happened while the ring was with them. So I imagine I'll have an amount less sympathy for the trust fund hippie
Holy crap, that's a hell of a story!
@@sydneygorelick7484 Believe it or not, in terms of "things that happened with my family on 9/11" that's one of the less interesting stories somehow
@@KirbyComwhat else has happened 💀
@@joefromfamilyguy3952 To make a long story short, at the time I both went a daycare center in one of the buildings and also my apartment building was like 5 minutes away on foot. So there was a lot of pressing danger that day. Haha
@@KirbyComyou cannot drop that and leave 😂
I don't usually get violent unless there's animals involved, but damn watching the video of them together triggers my flight or fight response on the fight end. I never realized these fists were pansexual before
These fists are Rated E for Everyone
And most women would easily clock how much she pays for her hair and looks like she gets blowouts on the daily. If you’re not full of it you tell all the details. I wish people weren’t so reactive and not looking up the price of tanzanite and asking them some questions before writing bad reviews. It’s ridiculous they got free jewelry she can wear to Maui where it sounds like she’s been very often! And complain after they’re still recovering from a disaster! Revolting couple, omg!
oh dont worry, there are also animals involved! her BF was holding that rabbit entirely wrong, they get very stressed when on their back
@@soldiaz7261It can even trigger something similar to PTSD in the rabbit if they are held that way often
I fell down the steps and broke both my ankles while listening to Sad Boyz podcast last week.Their soothing voices subsided the pain. Thanks boyz
Ok everyone leave 1star reviews on their podcast rating online because they should pay her hospital bill! 😂
When she said a little woo woo I was thinking like maybe a little into herbal medicine or like crsytals, not like a year of shamans.
Genuinely so tired of the term “unalived”, bring back “merked”…. the evil man merked your hubby in a past life
she was grateful for the witch hunt so i think that explains her as a person
Businesses can go to Google and tell them that they’re being spammed because they were sent there from a viral video or something else, they will take them down (especially because the business can tell them they’re not legitimate reviews of people who have done business with them)
love watching these sad boys react to drama ive never heard of
Thank you for making this channel. I often do not have time to listen to the entire podcast But with these clips I still get to enjoy things from the podcast
I'm genuinely astounded that her first video received such a positive reception at all. I guess yeah technically she had been wronged if her story is true but I've just never seen someone soooo difficult to relate to.
From the 'oh im just a widdle musician and my hubby is just a tennis player' when they obviously have mad family money to have even gotten in this position, to the hippy woo woo chakra healing past lives that I can't even pretend to take seriously. That shaman did not have to try very hard to scam these two.
They clearly have the money and connections to just take this to court why are they asking strangers on TikTok with far less resources than you to solve your problem for you. If you have 10K for chakra healing and a rock, you can hire a decent lawyer.
The only reason not to go to court is if their story is leaving out some key details as to why the court might NOT rule in their favour, HMMMM.
"TikTok do your thing." She knew what she was doing and made no effort to tell people not to leave fake reviews. She's playing a nice girl hippie act but there's a vindictiveness to this that screams spoiled mean girl. She wasn't asking for advice on how to resolve the manner properly, she wanted to force this business to give them more than the rock and ring were actually worth or ruin the business if they wouldn't.
I was very into woo-woo for awhile but would never go online & record myself admitting to it 😂
this whole ring situation is wild, because obviously losing someone's ring and not telling them is messed up, let alone sending it off without telling them etc. but somehow the way she talks about it, the whole past lives story etc just makes the whole thing sound fake - and they literally got their fans to review bomb this place with obviously fake reviews, and then acted like it was unfair for those fake reviews to be removed 😆 how did everyone manage to be wrong in this situation
Fun fact! Tanzanite is only found in Tanzania because it was formed in the volcano Kilimanjaro
Wow, didn't know It had such a narrow range
24:37 this is like the tenth time this week I’ve heard of someone unhinged being from Tennessee, I don’t know what’s going on with us
it's quite worrying. is there something in our water 😭
also they describe themselves as 'a little bit hippie' and then immediately said that they got the tanzanite straight from the mines LIKE WHAT, as much as the hippe subculture literally just started as a way for rich kids to rebel against their parents i think it is more commonly seen nowadays as like and anticapitalist activism kind of thing, hippie is a subculture not a style
“They gave me more chakras” XD
jarvis johnson out here with the timmy turner fit
As a student on disability I ended up saving for two months in order to buy a $500 ring on Etsy. (Shout out to Henry Rocky!) It is absolutely beautiful, alexandrite surrounded by moissanite. My wife still wears it whenever we go out, she really really loves it. Not saying people should spend $500 or less on an engagement ring, but the whole “were just a poor musician and tennis player with a $10,000 jewel” WOMP WOMP, get over it.
that is a TERRIFIED rabbit why is he holding him like that 😭 poor guys in a state of tonic immobility😭😭😭 just in my experience, if anyone's curious, bunnies like to have their feet supported or even their heads tucked into your elbow. but NOT being held with their bellies up like a baby. they're prey animals who rely on their legs being on the ground instinctively
At the end you can see she really is a tiny indie musician
BRO DONT REFERENCE THE AI OVERVIEW
Yeah zooming in on that was insane lol. AI features in search are going to fundamentally damage people’s perception of truth
loved the shadowheart reference lmao
She’s like a parody of a Cristal mommy
It's simple I see Jordan I click
"am I gonna be responsible for this business tanking?" Was that *not* her goal from posting this on tiktok???
"they used flushable wipes on our chakras"
kim there’s people that are dying
😂
Even that was bull crap for a storyline! And diamond earrings above a certain karat have screw back earrings which are incredibly effective! You have to have minutes to take them on/off. My friend had 2 karat highly rated ones. But it’s a great line!
@@phoenixgirl70You can get screwback earrings very easily with different types of gemstones lol. They’re usually barbells or labrets.
The way Americans think of Polynesian countries as just being like Disneyland instead of entire countries with history and culture is infuriating. They just think Polynesia is their personal theme park where they get to drink coconut milk and go "aloha" and not an incredibly diverse and rich region that deserves to be treated as such.
(Yes I said Hawaii was a country, that's on purpose, I don't want to validate America's occupation of Hawaii, Hawaii is much more than just an American state and Americans should start treating it like it's another country with it's own completely separate history and culture because it is in every way except in the eyes of the yanks, I don't want to call Hawaii a state because it feels disrespectful.)
I cannot see Jordan's facial hair without thinking of it as Lin Manuel Miranda's facial hair
The widdle tennis players insensitivity towards hawaii and his colonial entitlement mindset told me everything I need to know bout him
Dragons would be hecken dope though 19:56
PLEASE BRING CHAD CHAD BACK 🐬🐬🐬🌈🌈🌈🌈
The emojis are giving “i wanna be part of your symphonyyy”
My husband and I got our engagement rings together and also use them as our wedding rings. We got a matching set (identical rings but with different stones and mine has an extra center stone) from Zales. Mine is white sapphire and was $80 with 9 gems in total. His was $200 and is diamond with 8 gems in total. We have lifetime warranties for repairs, resizing, and cleaning. The only thing is if we lose it, we’ll have to buy a new one, but those replacement warranties are only for certain rings that are usually incredibly expensive. Why we would spend thousands of dollars on something when the rest of our wedding already cost us an arm and a leg is beyond me.
11:31 as somone who bred bunnies in the past this definitely appears to be a domestic rabbit.
I’ve dealt with people dumping pet rabbits it sucks i wish people would stop it gets the worst a few weeks after Easter.
If I had to guess the breed I would say lionhead but that’s because I bred lionhead/Netherland dwarf mixes
I'm sorry, but if you're able to not only survive, but heal your chakras and buy $10000 jewels as an indie musician and a tennis player, you're not "little."
On that last point, I can understand not feeling quite right going to Hawaii for tourism while they're still dealing with the aftermath, but on the flip side, that's where they get a lot of their income. If anything, they need that extra bit of help. So long as you're not being completely insensitive and complaining about some things being closed down due to rebuilding efforts. It's a tough situation, and it's certainly difficult to say which is the better choice.
But going and complaining about how inconvenienced you, personally, were, now that's something everyone can agree is the wrong choice.
Fr, treat Hawaii like any other state: don't be loud and rude for no reason.
Or you could donate…
@@TC-ku4vvI mean, yeah? But some people still want to visit and that’s OP’s point. Tourism is okay as long as you’re respectful and aware of what locals are dealing with.
I thought Hawaiians themselves have said not to come.
there’s been a push from many native hawaiians asking that people stop vacationing there. tourism and rich people moving to hawai`i drives up the cost of living for native people as well as other detrimental effects on both the people and the ecosystems there. tourist economies are unsustainable in a lot of places and result in the people who live there being pushed out and marginalized in favor of rich folks vacationing or moving in.
At the end, when he proposes to her, they're not wearing any shoes. Of course, these are the kind of people to not wear shoes in the middle of the woods. 🙄
TIMMY TURNER MENTIONED 🗣🗣
Dawson bro buddy is a tennis pro so teacher. He makes his money from tech.
update - he works for a tech company his dad co-founded. :)
@@workedfridayoh boy 🤦♀️
WHY DID THEY REFERENCE THE AI OVERVIEW 😭
All they had to do was like... Scroll down a tiny bit and they're set. Honestly it's kinda disappointing to see
I'm so early here, it looks like I'm being paid.
ngl the cynical part about me is curious why she keeps mentioning her being a musician, wondering if it was some sort of ploy to get sympathy fans of her music :|
17:50 was not expecting a fuckin SHADOWHEART reference it kinda took me out laughing. This whole situation is so insane
I think I remember the dwkt girlies cover this one! Can't wait to see your take on this~
what a wild story
I think people going to a business and review bombing for an influencer is crazy. Y’all really care that much about other random people?? I feel bad about this woman’s engagement ring, but come on?
"I'm a musician and my boyfriend is a tennis player"
... OK so this is "rich people problems" then
(No offense to any struggling musicians or athletes trying to make it big while working a day job, you're valid... I just feel like if these people had day jobs she would have brought those up, instead of self-identifying as a musician dating a tennis player, if she was trying to convey a lack of financial means and position herself as an underdog. Which it seems like you'd want to do for a case like this.)
jordan dressed like hes pickin me up from elementary school
A BUSINESS CANNOT DELETE OR ALTER GOOGLE REVIEWS. Even my dog knows that.
They can request for them to be removed via Google if they’re false, which is completely valid in this situation
So justifying to hear the Tanzinite was only worth $500 ; from the start, the “10k” sounded off to me. They typically sell for around $100-$350 a carat (last time I checked anyways) ; so it’s possible, but seemed unlikely to me.
Id want to know if a store lost someones 10k ring, i honetly dont agree with review bombimg but id also want to know if someone lost a 10k ring and a famiky heriloom and one comment is gonna get lost!.😊
Ultimately she would have gotten so much support if she hadn’t added all that background information about their careers and past lives and chakras. Their story at first glance seem cut and paste shitty and worthy of sympathy.
But you can sense her hyper awareness that this storyline could be an opportunity to brand herself and her boyfriend so she couldn’t resist the temptation to add all this stuff that makes them seem annoying and unlikable
Also her bangs look like a hat
im sorry but... i thought we were talking about a lost ring... how did the shamans get in here