Still getting to grips with the whole Pressfit thing as you will see in this video… It’s all a learning curve and great to be able to show you just what it’s like… warts and all….
I'll be honest, I'm a Brickie who really doesn't like plumbing but I am absolutely fascinated by this channel! 😂😂 It's is just so real, and relevant...just a bloke doing a days work, no bullshitting, no "insta" falseness. What you see is what you get......love it! 👍
For years I've never liked press fit but last year I thought the M press fittings look decent... Now I own one and can't go back 😂😂 Quality content as usual Mark, love watching your channel grow. Keep it up mate 👍
Press fit doesn’t have to replace soldering, just like push fit. In certain situations it’s fantastic, in others maybe not so much. Personally think it’s absolutely worth while to have the option to do both.
Hi Mark, I just want to say I am a big fan of your channel. I am a self-employed plumber from Dublin and in the last five years got into teaching the plumbing/pipefitting (industrial plumbing) which they seperated in ireland 6 years ago because of the broad nature of plumbing. Only a suggestion but think you would have a natural talent to be a plumbing instructor , love your passion , honesty on topics such as difficult customers , mental health and keeping the skills alive in plumbing both old and new .copper over pex all the way mate . If your ever in Ireland , give me a shout love to show you our plumbing workshops . Keep up the good work . Neil
Wow…. Thanks for the comment Neil…. Genuinely taken aback by it. Thankyou….🙏🏼🙏🏼 Really glad you like the channel and the way I’m making the content… just showing the day to day on the job….. like I say it’s Real World Plumbing. I certainly will give you a shout if I’m heading over….🙏🏼🙏🏼
It’s not a debate, it’s just another technique that has a time and a place, like soldering, pushfit, compression etc. Some places you can’t press, fittings don’t fit in, the gun doesn’t fit in and you have to solder. Sometimes you can’t solder, flammable materials, water in pipe etc, so now you can press.
Love your channel mate. I've been out the trade 8 years, now getting back into the swing of things and your channel had really helped boost my knowledge.
Nice comparison video mate. Also in case you didn't know, a little tip for the press gun - once you start a press, wait for the first green light on the trigger to go out and you can let go of the trigger and it will continue the press automatically. Saves you having to keep the trigger pressed
nice one mark to show the pro's and cons of press still think press fittings have to come down a lot as they make it more expensive for the job ..cost vs labour? always enjoy real world plumbing and heating.
Interesting, din't know about press fit fittings, could they be pressed into place by squeezing them with mole grips on all sides, the machine looks expensive. I don't really see any advantage in them compared to compression fittings, (apart from looking neater, or in a very tight space) I squirt a drop of WD40 in my compression fittings just before tightening them up, you can really feel the olive bite doing this, have never had one leak after. Also you can undo a compression fitting if you want to change things around. Can the press fit be undone, or will it need to be cut?
15:08 I think cutting the soldered tee and replacing with a press fit tee would allow you to do the same (fitting a press m/f 90⁰ elbow to do the same configuration. Don't you agree?
Where you mark your pipe depth you should also do a mark through it to the inside of the fittings to the pipe end. So it looks like a cross. If you ever have a major failure, it will prove to insurance and manufacturers that it was crimped at the correct depth and the marks wasn't added after
Hi Mark hope your well I'm not into press fit really and it's also very rare I use push fit only time I do if it's under floors or behind walls other than that it's copper and soldering. Love the channel watch your videos all the time it's an awesome channel I'm a plumber myself in the Manchester area . You should do a live TH-cam that would be good to answer people's questions. Keep up the good work and videos mate 👍
Great video pal! I had the exact same thoughts/issues when i started using press, i like going between the 2, some jobs are suitable for press some are more suited to soldering, You get used to making that call pretty quick though buddy! 👍
Good job as usual Mark. All different methods of connection have their particular place. So long as everything is functional and you’re happy that’s all that matters. Only thing I didn’t like was using the wire wool over an open end, I think the abrasive roll stuff is better, but each to his own.
Many thks as always for another very interesting video , indeed is a great addition to ur tool belt so to speak , ie was the same when plastic started to come onto the market , was fantastic when u could run a new plastic cold water mains all the way from the road and into the property or through joists with no joins etc , there also use to be the debate of having the drain off vertical or horizontal, personally would fit mine horizontal to try and reduce any crud etc build up behind the drain off washer , of course hope this doesn’t come across as disrespectful in any way , really enjoying the press fit being used in real world plumbing and looking forward for when u get time to do a cost comparison plse , thks again , stay safe and well
Glad you enjoyed it mate….. yep lots of people have certain ways of doing things, great to hear people’s views. I’ve had drain offs fail in both hortizontal and vertical….. it’s all a gamble most of the time
I brought an Alpha Press Angled Press Jaw Set, M Profile from BES. Not cheap but cheaper than Novo's own brand. It works well in tight spaces. Also if you haven't got a 28mm jaw, to which I never, there's a angled one in with the kit. So you don't need to purchase one separately . The Alpha kit is compatible with the Novopress.
Hi Mark, first apologies for my late comment (due to illness), another fantastic film. I think all applications for joining pipes have their place, sometimes solder, sometimes press fit and even plastic has a place, as we have said. Being able to use press fit whilst there is still water in the pipe is great and can save a lot of time. A film comparing cost of end feed to press fit will be brilliant. I’m hoping to get to installer show, if my health will let me, take care, regards, Chris. 👍👍👍
Love this mark. Finally being able to catch up on your vids since we last spoke. Your spot on mate. As for what’s best etc. what does it matter if press or soldering whatever is better. Depending on the job and how you feel should be when you decide when to use what. I’m very open person and look if water can’t get out it’s a win win. I mean the only time I would think not to use press fit would be rads when pipes on show. There a bit bulky the fittings but still as long as the enemy don’t escape lol it’s all good. There is no right or wrong. Keep the vids coming mate. Your channel has become the only channel I watch now when it comes to plumbing. Thanks for sharing mate 😀
My issue with press fit is that it is taking the skill out the trade. Once you understand what slip means on a connection your good to go. Maybe I’m just old school but things like press fit, plastic pipe make the trade easier so the standards drop and anyone can start throwing work in. Case in point on this video is that return pipe. They give some of these muppets gas tickets for a 6 week course. A decent soldered cylinder cupboard will wipe the floor with a press fit job. Nice video again mate
I still always solder, how many times have you unsweated an elbow tight to a wall and cleaned up the end. Can’t see how you can do that with press? Also the fittings are so expensive and so is the kit to press it. And it’s bulky. I get it if a pipe is a bit wet, or maybe in a loft. But I’m still yet to be defeated by either of those with soldering. How much time does it actually save??
Good showcase of the pros and cons there. I'm not a plumber, but seems to me like it's horses for courses and good to have both available as and when. Good stuff mate, another great vid
Brilliant video, yes there will be some debate going on about this. As a diy’er I couldn’t justify using press fit due to the cost. Soldering wins every time for me 👍
The main argument pro press fit for DIYers seems to be risk of leaks. Press fit is supposed to be almost foolproof while soldering definitely isn't, I've seen professionals needing to redo the occasional solder joint and certainly have had a few leaks on my own joints. The most annoying one was a T under the floor that only started leaking after three or four years. My uncle, the plumber who supervised the job, suggested it might have been incompatible paste and solder. The price difference is eyewatering though. For my last bathroom I considered press fit MLCP because the pipe is a lot cheaper than copper but ended up going with soldered copper because the fittings ate up the price difference. Compression wasn't an option, reversible connections must remain accessible to conform to the regs where I am and we wanted to do things by the book.
Agree with a lot said in the comments, its another tool in our arsenal, there's a time to solder and a time to press, it doesn't and shouldn't completely replace another pipe jointing method.
@@MJTiffPlumbing Hi Mark, you should go to the Gebbrit training day, it’s in your area, I went a few years ago, they stated that internal/external burrs and edges should be removed, and you have to mark the pipework before it is fitted into the fitting or it can invalidate a warranty claim, have things changed over the years?
Question for the pressfit guys, could it have been okay to solder a street press elbow (as long as the O ring is removed first) into that tee, mark needed?
No it wouldnt work as the gap between the pipe and the inside of the fitting is too large. Maybe with leaded solder , but i would not trust it. Lead free no chance as its useless for filling large gaps.The only way you could do it is braize it like the AC techs do.
@@paullbennett2923 I'm not sure if we're on the same track here, But just confirm for me anyway, could you solder the stem, of the street press elbow, into the end feed tee?
@@MJTiffPlumbing perhaps a video idea?? Solder a stem elbow, after taking o ring out, and then putting o ring back in and then pressing a fitting, Can it be done mark?
Also if you were soldering that tee those plastic clips either side may have had to have been moved otherwise they may have melted a bit. Great vid as always
Love the debate. But have to stop as my missus has had enough of crimpig press sound. Neather is better or worse. But its great to have the option in the van if you van afford it .
Ye still sitting on the fence, I think press is perfect for new complete installs, But on existing press and solder would have to work together, Great video as always Mark 👍👍🤜
Thanks mate….. yep I’m still getting used to it as I said, think the key is to have the fittings you need in stock…. I’m building up what I need at the moment
Mate i could've told you about the perils of press fit. Yes it's a fantastic concept but it sometimes fails when you attach a compression fitting because it spins and breaks the seal of the press fit sometimes. Found that out to my horror on a HUGE job done almost totally in press fit. (Hospital fitour) 🤦♂️
I'm maybe looking at it wrong but could you not put a street elbow directly into the motorised valve then another street elbow coming up. I know you can cut a bit off press fit street elbows to lose a few mm
I've been there with clearance issues doing press. I like press and have nothing against it. That said it has its place and is a good option at times especially for repairs where it's difficult to drain the pipes but that's it. It won't replace soldering. I use it less than 50% of the time. I would be very interested in a video about pipe bending, this is something that isn't used at all in my area (VT, NH Northern New England US). At least not in residential and light commercial. We do use 45 degree angles lol!
How come you don’t bend pipes buddy….. I’m really interested in the difference from UK plumbing to US plumbing…. Maybe I should head over and spend some time with a US plumber🤔🤔
@@MJTiffPlumbing I don’t know why pipe bending isn’t used. Sparky’s bend conduit pipe for their wires but I’ve not really seen copper pipe bending except in very old homes where they used soft copper and looks like it’s bent by hand. Come on over! We can do some plumbing and then go do some touring around northeast US! I’ve been really wanting to visit the UK someday soon
Tickles me how folks get upset over different things😂. Nice to see different ways of working, and tbh its what ever works, and what folks are willing to pay.
Press has been around for a while now in the mechanical sector , i first used about 20 years ago. Last year we completed a phased re pipe on a hotel which i think was about 250 years old - possibly older. The roof spaces were the filthiest , messiest ive ever seen. the pipework was from 15mm to 67mm and i can say with certainty that if it was all soldered the local fire brigade would have had a busy time !
@@Tom_Plumb_PHS Still got my old Bullfinch torch and Calor gas bottle gathering dust in the garage. Portapack and silver solder rods are best if you're doing end feed above 54mm.
Nice work,I’m just a DIY plumber,so i don’t care about looks as long as I can afford it and have no leaks I’m a happy . I’ve even been known to use a copper push fit . That was at the side of a gas boiler and kitchen filter put a screw into the cold water feed and was dripping for about 6 years as it was a dot and dab so didn’t show itself ,had to replace the plaster board luckily it was below gas boiler and to the side of it. I could not get in to solder a pipe on, so in the end, use a push fit, brass fitting and soul and the bottom one replacing the damaged 15 mil pipe. never had any problems after that 👍👍👍👍
@M J Tiff Plumbing ye please share because I'm still learning lol. This was with 54mm copper pipe though and I have seen evidence of leaks when fittings are close together. I'm guessing the smaller pipes will be less than 90mm though. If it is true.
@@UKMadMike yes look up the technical guide for the fittings you’re using. The larger diameter the larger the gap required but certainly not 90mm. Use press pretty much exclusively these days on commercial. No hot works
You made bending that 22 look too easy. 😆 I have to do it on the floor. 😅 Bends are better I think. Quick and easy (but not cheap!) with a bucket of press fit fittings to get round anything but the frictional losses and potential leak points add up over a whole system. I'd be up for a live video at some point. I'll try and catch you at installer on the Thursday if you're still around then.
Still like solder fittings neater and hell of a lot cheaper good video Mark we have managed for years with soldered you could have used a compression straight
@@MJTiffPlumbing fair enough. I’ve recently purchased a press gun. But they do take a bit of thinking, you have to allow enough space to get the gun in. It’s caught me out a few times.
@@MJTiffPlumbing yep use it all the time. I hate getting my soldering gear out. I’ve re plumbed two big houses in press now. It’s expensive but saves a ton of time. And looks ace!!
@@MJTiffPlumbing also, it’s about building up a large stock of fittings. Worth spending about £500 on a load of fittings and just replace them as you go.
I do renovation work in London, I’m a carpenter. Getting plumbers is a nightmare. We run our own second fix plumbing, don’t touch gas or the boilers, considering press fit. Big investment but it gives you peace of mind.
I've got a picking and Packing video done with your order. Don't go wasting fittings 😂... Will get it posted later this week. I'll need to get your autograph 😊
I use a plastic fitting on copper if I can't solder for whatever reason. Thought about press fit, then saw the price! Also my tool bag is heavy enough as it is, it's just another bit of kit that you have to empty into your customers house. But never say never, as they say.
I think it’s just thinking more ahead than anything Mark. With press it makes you think two steps ahead and once you get going you’ll be fine. Speed comes in time like anything mate. The tight press where you soldered could of been done another way and you probably thought of it when you were in the van or afterwards of which you would do next time 👍
Loving your ' journey ' 😂. There's a place for every type of fitting. I love pressing but today I had to solder because press just wouldn't have worked. 👍👍
Yeah soldered fittings are cheaper but the price of solder flux gas and extra labour don't think it ends up costing anymore. And I always understood that you should ream your pipe for pressfit ?
From what I've seen the people who really stand by press-fit copper are all *really* good with pipe bending; and it's not just a cost thing - if you can bend a pipe round a tricky run you don't have the issue with trying to get the jaws into tight spaces etc. For example where your underfloor return came down through the ceiling that could have been 1 peice of tube with 2 bends that threaded up to the plastic pipe and would literally only need 1 press onto the t-junction - but you have to be confident with your pipe bending because if you muck it up it's not £5 in fittings it's a 3ft run of pipe that is now useless.
Well Mark its still a learning curve but you are doing ok with it ..not always possible to use all press fit ..perhaps if it was a new job then you could work out the pipe better .. All good 👍 👌
It's quick and to be honest nothing wrong with mixing methods.... As an amateur DIYer...I've used the pre formed 45 bends...saves having to bend pipe....never say never...you may use one
Like people have said press has its place, took me a while to use it but now that I have its great, especially like you said if there is water in the pipework. Hopefully the more it’s used the fittings might get cheaper 🤞
Not sure how much the price is going to drop. The Germans have been using press fit all over the place for 20 years and it's still five times the price of solder fittings.
When you route the pipes, pay more attention to the flow direction. I see a lot of T joints and bends. Put a bend first where the most flow is, after that you can use a T. For example the return above the boiler. You could’ve go up from the boiler, left bend (male/female) and directly a T joint. It would save you 2 bends of flow restriction, and fewer cost. You would need 2 more couplers, but those are cheaper than the bends. Also, I prefer fixing the pipes, before pressing and cutting everything to size. More accurate and works faster.
I’ve the Rothenberger press tool, wish I had never bought it, it works fine but I find it to much of a pain to use most of the time, when I do use it I can’t help but think I’ve been cheating, 😅
Short bit of pipe in middle of tee, motorised valve on that, then you would’ve had room for a piece of pipe with a set to go between motorised valve and elbow
Not a lover of press fit at all ,too bulky looking and with the expansion of copper how will the o rings fair .. I remember the big hype when speed fit come out 20 plus years later and the amount of speed fit fittings i come across that are about to fail or have failed is massive especially when going from speed fit to copper on heating circuits
The great debate - press fit, push fit, compression and solder joints!! They each have their ideal place to be used but for the job you have just shown JG Speedfit would have done everything just as easily. Not as neatly as Pressfit and are best out of sight!! My biggest worry is that pressfit suffers from the plumbers nightmare - the fitting needs to be undone to change a pipe length etc. Apart from pressfit they can all be taken apart. The electric press tool can be £2000. I'll stick to the Mole grips!!
Mark why have you used the negative word FAIL. What you have actually shown is how press fit can live alongside soldering. Just like plastic push fit can work with copper, as i said mark i am 55 on a Professional Plumbers Course you are giving me so much knowledge. Would be great if i could shadow you for a day. As usual keep going legend
No way is perfect but each way has its advantages in my experience I use both …pressfit has gotten me out of so many situations and these days a lot of places don’t want hot works!
The only bit of advice I would give on press fit is, you have to think before you press, because in tight corners and where lots of pipes cross over you may have to take out a section of pipe and press the elbow or other fitting out of position and then put it back in. Because sometimes you can’t get the press tool in some places. You press all the other bits and then find you can’t get the press tool in it’s too late. Ask me how I know? 😜
Still getting to grips with the whole Pressfit thing as you will see in this video…
It’s all a learning curve and great to be able to show you just what it’s like… warts and all….
I'll be honest, I'm a Brickie who really doesn't like plumbing but I am absolutely fascinated by this channel! 😂😂 It's is just so real, and relevant...just a bloke doing a days work, no bullshitting, no "insta" falseness. What you see is what you get......love it! 👍
Thanks mate…. Really appreciate the comment 👍🏼 Exactly how I want the channel to come across
Just showing it how it really is on the job👍🏼👍🏼
I agree - M J even gets into situations which he has to puzzle over - probably a bit longer than it appears on the camera!!
jim....have a buchers at plumb like toms channel, he is the same, all real life no bullshitn
For years I've never liked press fit but last year I thought the M press fittings look decent... Now I own one and can't go back 😂😂
Quality content as usual Mark, love watching your channel grow. Keep it up mate 👍
Yeah he's top stuff. 👍
Press fit doesn’t have to replace soldering, just like push fit.
In certain situations it’s fantastic, in others maybe not so much.
Personally think it’s absolutely worth while to have the option to do both.
100% agree buddy….👍🏼👍🏼
Absolutely agree. Under floor - plastic pipe and pushfit, new visible pipework - end feed solder, wet joints compression or pressfit.
Hi Mark,
I just want to say I am a big fan of your channel. I am a self-employed plumber from Dublin and in the last five years got into teaching the plumbing/pipefitting (industrial plumbing) which they seperated in ireland 6 years ago because of the broad nature of plumbing. Only a suggestion but think you would have a natural talent to be a plumbing instructor , love your passion , honesty on topics such as difficult customers , mental health and keeping the skills alive in plumbing both old and new .copper over pex all the way mate . If your ever in Ireland , give me a shout love to show you our plumbing workshops . Keep up the good work . Neil
Wow…. Thanks for the comment Neil…. Genuinely taken aback by it. Thankyou….🙏🏼🙏🏼
Really glad you like the channel and the way I’m making the content… just showing the day to day on the job….. like I say it’s Real World Plumbing.
I certainly will give you a shout if I’m heading over….🙏🏼🙏🏼
Poor boiler pissed itself when you put your torch near him.🤣
🤣🤣🤣…. I spotted that too
It’s not a debate, it’s just another technique that has a time and a place, like soldering, pushfit, compression etc. Some places you can’t press, fittings don’t fit in, the gun doesn’t fit in and you have to solder. Sometimes you can’t solder, flammable materials, water in pipe etc, so now you can press.
Completely agree buddy
Love your channel mate. I've been out the trade 8 years, now getting back into the swing of things and your channel had really helped boost my knowledge.
Thankyou buddy…. Kind words
Nice comparison video mate. Also in case you didn't know, a little tip for the press gun - once you start a press, wait for the first green light on the trigger to go out and you can let go of the trigger and it will continue the press automatically. Saves you having to keep the trigger pressed
Thanks mate….. worked that out today after a few others had said about it. It’s all new to me buddy👍🏼👍🏼
Still on the fence with it if I’m honest….
nice one mark to show the pro's and cons of press still think press fittings have to come down a lot as they make it more expensive for the job ..cost vs labour? always enjoy real world plumbing and heating.
Thanks mate…. Glad you like the content.
Tbh press is my go to now… soo much quicker and easier along with a lot more tidy work wise…
Interesting, din't know about press fit fittings, could they be pressed into place by squeezing them with mole grips on all sides, the machine looks expensive. I don't really see any advantage in them compared to compression fittings, (apart from looking neater, or in a very tight space) I squirt a drop of WD40 in my compression fittings just before tightening them up, you can really feel the olive bite doing this, have never had one leak after. Also you can undo a compression fitting if you want to change things around. Can the press fit be undone, or will it need to be cut?
Nope…. Has to be a calibrated force etc etc
Enjoyed the video it shows have you have to adapt to different situations but again a tidy finish
100% mate…. I’m still learning it but enjoying the different way of doing things👍🏼
On the video for the comparison jig ..add in tectite sprint
Good shout 👍🏼👍🏼
15:08 I think cutting the soldered tee and replacing with a press fit tee would allow you to do the same (fitting a press m/f 90⁰ elbow to do the same configuration. Don't you agree?
I agree….. however as said in the video I didn’t have those fittings on the van or at the merchants in press fit to be able to do it there and then👍🏼
Where you mark your pipe depth you should also do a mark through it to the inside of the fittings to the pipe end.
So it looks like a cross.
If you ever have a major failure, it will prove to insurance and manufacturers that it was crimped at the correct depth and the marks wasn't added after
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Hi Mark hope your well I'm not into press fit really and it's also very rare I use push fit only time I do if it's under floors or behind walls other than that it's copper and soldering. Love the channel watch your videos all the time it's an awesome channel I'm a plumber myself in the Manchester area . You should do a live TH-cam that would be good to answer people's questions. Keep up the good work and videos mate 👍
Thanks Wayne…. Glad you like the channel and it’s relatable 👍🏼👍🏼
Yer I really should get a live done and interact one evening with everyone👍🏼
Great video pal! I had the exact same thoughts/issues when i started using press, i like going between the 2, some jobs are suitable for press some are more suited to soldering, You get used to making that call pretty quick though buddy! 👍
Thanks Dave…. It’s just learning where and when to use what when it best suits
Very interesting video. The only concerning thing is the lack of clips, but redoing the offset shows that you really care.
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Good job as usual Mark. All different methods of connection have their particular place. So long as everything is functional and you’re happy that’s all that matters. Only thing I didn’t like was using the wire wool over an open end, I think the abrasive roll stuff is better, but each to his own.
Thanks mate…. 👍🏼👍🏼
Good point with the wire wool aswell
can you unpress a press fitting as in unsolder a soldered fitting?
No mate….
Many thks as always for another very interesting video , indeed is a great addition to ur tool belt so to speak , ie was the same when plastic started to come onto the market , was fantastic when u could run a new plastic cold water mains all the way from the road and into the property or through joists with no joins etc , there also use to be the debate of having the drain off vertical or horizontal, personally would fit mine horizontal to try and reduce any crud etc build up behind the drain off washer , of course hope this doesn’t come across as disrespectful in any way , really enjoying the press fit being used in real world plumbing and looking forward for when u get time to do a cost comparison plse , thks again , stay safe and well
Glad you enjoyed it mate…..
yep lots of people have certain ways of doing things, great to hear people’s views.
I’ve had drain offs fail in both hortizontal and vertical….. it’s all a gamble most of the time
I brought an Alpha Press Angled Press Jaw Set, M Profile from BES. Not cheap but cheaper than Novo's own brand. It works well in tight spaces. Also if you haven't got a 28mm jaw, to which I never, there's a angled one in with the kit. So you don't need to purchase one separately . The Alpha kit is compatible with the Novopress.
Interesting 👍🏼👍🏼
Hi Mark, first apologies for my late comment (due to illness), another fantastic film.
I think all applications for joining pipes have their place, sometimes solder, sometimes press fit and even plastic has a place, as we have said.
Being able to use press fit whilst there is still water in the pipe is great and can save a lot of time.
A film comparing cost of end feed to press fit will be brilliant.
I’m hoping to get to installer show, if my health will let me, take care, regards, Chris. 👍👍👍
Hope your ok Chris….. take it easy buddy, would be great to see you at installer again.
Yep I plan to do some comparison videos soon
Love this ,keep up mate , after this video , think I am buying that tool, that was so easy and quick
Cheers buddy….. see link for great deals on pressfit from Pressit UK
Love this mark. Finally being able to catch up on your vids since we last spoke. Your spot on mate. As for what’s best etc. what does it matter if press or soldering whatever is better. Depending on the job and how you feel should be when you decide when to use what. I’m very open person and look if water can’t get out it’s a win win. I mean the only time I would think not to use press fit would be rads when pipes on show. There a bit bulky the fittings but still as long as the enemy don’t escape lol it’s all good. There is no right or wrong. Keep the vids coming mate. Your channel has become the only channel I watch now when it comes to plumbing. Thanks for sharing mate 😀
Thanks mate… really appreciate the comment buddy 👍🏼👍🏼🙏🏼
Just a question when joining the underfloor circuit to the flow and returns. Do you need to have close coupled T's for hydraulic separation?
This is a good point and some say you do and others say you don’t.
The manifold has a mixer and bypass on it to help with this
My issue with press fit is that it is taking the skill out the trade. Once you understand what slip means on a connection your good to go. Maybe I’m just old school but things like press fit, plastic pipe make the trade easier so the standards drop and anyone can start throwing work in. Case in point on this video is that return pipe. They give some of these muppets gas tickets for a 6 week course.
A decent soldered cylinder cupboard will wipe the floor with a press fit job.
Nice video again mate
Completely agree with what you said buddy
Does it not require an auto bypass with the motorised valves? Or is it inbuilt in the boiler?
Yer it does…. I’ve added it since, infact you will see it on this weekend video👌🏼👍🏼👍🏼
I still always solder, how many times have you unsweated an elbow tight to a wall and cleaned up the end. Can’t see how you can do that with press? Also the fittings are so expensive and so is the kit to press it. And it’s bulky. I get it if a pipe is a bit wet, or maybe in a loft. But I’m still yet to be defeated by either of those with soldering. How much time does it actually save??
Good showcase of the pros and cons there. I'm not a plumber, but seems to me like it's horses for courses and good to have both available as and when. Good stuff mate, another great vid
Thanks buddy 👍🏼👍🏼
Brilliant thanks for the video, everything has its place be it plastic, pressfit, soldered gotta use whatever to get the job done 😊
100% agree with that mate
I can’t believe you said that garage was full of junk. We’ve seen your lockup! 😂 A YT Live would definitely be worth a go. Can’t hurt to try it once…
Hahahahaaha……. Brilliant🤣🤣🤣
Brilliant video, yes there will be some debate going on about this. As a diy’er I couldn’t justify using press fit due to the cost. Soldering wins every time for me 👍
Thanks buddy….. yep it’s a raging debate that will always have valid points..
I do prefer solder tbh
The main argument pro press fit for DIYers seems to be risk of leaks. Press fit is supposed to be almost foolproof while soldering definitely isn't, I've seen professionals needing to redo the occasional solder joint and certainly have had a few leaks on my own joints. The most annoying one was a T under the floor that only started leaking after three or four years. My uncle, the plumber who supervised the job, suggested it might have been incompatible paste and solder. The price difference is eyewatering though. For my last bathroom I considered press fit MLCP because the pipe is a lot cheaper than copper but ended up going with soldered copper because the fittings ate up the price difference. Compression wasn't an option, reversible connections must remain accessible to conform to the regs where I am and we wanted to do things by the book.
Agree with a lot said in the comments, its another tool in our arsenal, there's a time to solder and a time to press, it doesn't and shouldn't completely replace another pipe jointing method.
100% agree mate
Hi Mark, do you deburring your pipework before you fit into your fittings?
I don’t think I have ever debured the internal pipe in my whole career…. The pipeslice dedures the outside
@@MJTiffPlumbing Hi Mark, you should go to the Gebbrit training day, it’s in your area, I went a few years ago, they stated that internal/external burrs and edges should be removed, and you have to mark the pipework before it is fitted into the fitting or it can invalidate a warranty claim, have things changed over the years?
Great video again. See press fit as another string to your bow.
Carry on with the brilliant content.
Thanks Dave 👍🏼👍🏼
Awesome work and video mark your a super star 😊
Thanks buddy👍🏼👍🏼
Great video mate 👍
Thanks 👍
Something different great stuff.👍👍👍😎😎😎
Indeed mate…👍🏼👍🏼
Can the pump and boiler handle all the water and heating
Yep, not a problem at all
Very neat pipework Mark ! enjoyed this video 👍
Thanks Kev 👍🏼👍🏼
my press fit broke on my last joint recently so i removed the o ring and soldered it on, worked a treat
And it worked ok??
@@MJTiffPlumbing 100%
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Question for the pressfit guys, could it have been okay to solder a street press elbow (as long as the O ring is removed first) into that tee, mark needed?
Interesting…. Look forward to the reply
No it wouldnt work as the gap between the pipe and the inside of the fitting is too large. Maybe with leaded solder , but i would not trust it. Lead free no chance as its useless for filling large gaps.The only way you could do it is braize it like the AC techs do.
@@paullbennett2923 I'm not sure if we're on the same track here, But just confirm for me anyway, could you solder the stem, of the street press elbow, into the end feed tee?
@@samspry9452 Don't see why not , the o rings can be tricky to get out without damaging them though.
@@MJTiffPlumbing perhaps a video idea?? Solder a stem elbow, after taking o ring out, and then putting o ring back in and then pressing a fitting, Can it be done mark?
Also if you were soldering that tee those plastic clips either side may have had to have been moved otherwise they may have melted a bit. Great vid as always
Glad you enjoyed it mate👍🏼👍🏼
Love the debate. But have to stop as my missus has had enough of crimpig press sound. Neather is better or worse. But its great to have the option in the van if you van afford it .
Indeed buddy….. everything has a place
Ye still sitting on the fence,
I think press is perfect for new complete installs,
But on existing press and solder would have to work together,
Great video as always Mark
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Thanks mate….. yep I’m still getting used to it as I said, think the key is to have the fittings you need in stock…. I’m building up what I need at the moment
Can you use press gas on wet, what's the difference
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Mate i could've told you about the perils of press fit. Yes it's a fantastic concept but it sometimes fails when you attach a compression fitting because it spins and breaks the seal of the press fit sometimes. Found that out to my horror on a HUGE job done almost totally in press fit. (Hospital fitour) 🤦♂️
What about a auto bypass for pump overrun?
I’ve literately this morning been in and fitted one as I completely forgot with the faff that went on…… a few people have mention that 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
@@MJTiffPlumbing sweet. Been toying with the idea about getting a press gun. Hopefully fitting will come down soon.
Yep that’s the biggest thing is the price I’m finding
I'm maybe looking at it wrong but could you not put a street elbow directly into the motorised valve then another street elbow coming up. I know you can cut a bit off press fit street elbows to lose a few mm
If I had them I would of…. But I didn’t have any at the time, think I said in the video👍🏼👍🏼
@@MJTiffPlumbing yeah sorry. I commented just before you said it in tve video 😄
I've been there with clearance issues doing press. I like press and have nothing against it. That said it has its place and is a good option at times especially for repairs where it's difficult to drain the pipes but that's it. It won't replace soldering. I use it less than 50% of the time. I would be very interested in a video about pipe bending, this is something that isn't used at all in my area (VT, NH Northern New England US). At least not in residential and light commercial. We do use 45 degree angles lol!
How come you don’t bend pipes buddy….. I’m really interested in the difference from UK plumbing to US plumbing….
Maybe I should head over and spend some time with a US plumber🤔🤔
@@MJTiffPlumbing I don’t know why pipe bending isn’t used. Sparky’s bend conduit pipe for their wires but I’ve not really seen copper pipe bending except in very old homes where they used soft copper and looks like it’s bent by hand. Come on over! We can do some plumbing and then go do some touring around northeast US! I’ve been really wanting to visit the UK someday soon
I absolutely think pressfit has its place amongst all other methods in general plumbing, super interesting this😮
Thanks mate, glad your enjoying the content… trying to give an honest view of beginning with it
Tickles me how folks get upset over different things😂. Nice to see different ways of working, and tbh its what ever works, and what folks are willing to pay.
Indeed mate….. pros and cons to everytging
Press has been around for a while now in the mechanical sector , i first used about 20 years ago. Last year we completed a phased re pipe on a hotel which i think was about 250 years old - possibly older. The roof spaces were the filthiest , messiest ive ever seen. the pipework was from 15mm to 67mm and i can say with certainty that if it was all soldered the local fire brigade would have had a busy time !
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Yep press is slowly trickling down to us plumbers now I think
Big boy blowtorch too for the 67mm
Jet engine 🤣🤣
@@Tom_Plumb_PHS Still got my old Bullfinch torch and Calor gas bottle gathering dust in the garage. Portapack and silver solder rods are best if you're doing end feed above 54mm.
I’ve been using press fit in the marine industry - top tip, always check the seal. Been caught out with them a few times.
Good tip that 👍🏼👍🏼
My worry with pressfit is it's longevity of the o rings against solder systems !! Also wouldn't a bypass been a good idea against those 2 ports!!
I think it’s a proven thing now it’s been around 20 plus years.
Yep a bypass will be going in before it’s filled up
Nice work,I’m just a DIY plumber,so i don’t care about looks as long as I can afford it and have no leaks I’m a happy . I’ve even been known to use a copper push fit . That was at the side of a gas boiler and kitchen filter put a screw into the cold water feed and was dripping for about 6 years as it was a dot and dab so didn’t show itself ,had to replace the plaster board luckily it was below gas boiler and to the side of it. I could not get in to solder a pipe on, so in the end, use a push fit, brass fitting and soul and the bottom one replacing the damaged 15 mil pipe.
never had any problems after that 👍👍👍👍
Do what you need to do (within reason)…. As long as it doesn’t leak👍🏼👍🏼
I heard you have to leave 90mm between each press fitting. Otherwise can cause leaks. Be interesting to know ?
Really…. That is very interesting to hear. Will have to ask some people👍🏼
@M J Tiff Plumbing ye please share because I'm still learning lol. This was with 54mm copper pipe though and I have seen evidence of leaks when fittings are close together. I'm guessing the smaller pipes will be less than 90mm though. If it is true.
@@UKMadMike yes look up the technical guide for the fittings you’re using. The larger diameter the larger the gap required but certainly not 90mm. Use press pretty much exclusively these days on commercial. No hot works
Interesting vid mark
Thanks buddy👍🏼
You made bending that 22 look too easy. 😆 I have to do it on the floor. 😅
Bends are better I think. Quick and easy (but not cheap!) with a bucket of press fit fittings to get round anything but the frictional losses and potential leak points add up over a whole system.
I'd be up for a live video at some point. I'll try and catch you at installer on the Thursday if you're still around then.
Yep it’s all about building enough stock on the van I think, I have 15mm fittings covered…. Just the 22’s caught me out
Still like solder fittings neater and hell of a lot cheaper good video Mark we have managed for years with soldered you could have used a compression straight
Yep I certainly prefer soldering I think
Why didn’t you do a bigger set on the bottom of the zone valve?
Had to keep it to the left for the pipe two go back to the flow on the right…. And the sweep of the bend would of been on the fittings
@@MJTiffPlumbing fair enough. I’ve recently purchased a press gun. But they do take a bit of thinking, you have to allow enough space to get the gun in. It’s caught me out a few times.
Yep…. It’s all about the forward planning isn’t it…
Are you using yours a lot??
@@MJTiffPlumbing yep use it all the time. I hate getting my soldering gear out.
I’ve re plumbed two big houses in press now. It’s expensive but saves a ton of time. And looks ace!!
@@MJTiffPlumbing also, it’s about building up a large stock of fittings. Worth spending about £500 on a load of fittings and just replace them as you go.
Its all just a learning curve ..adapted and survive.
Indeed 👍🏼
I do renovation work in London, I’m a carpenter. Getting plumbers is a nightmare. We run our own second fix plumbing, don’t touch gas or the boilers, considering press fit. Big investment but it gives you peace of mind.
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Just need to be patient and think ahead of where, you can and can't fit the gun into but as many comments say use both to your advantage
Yep I’m just getting used to it now
Would have had isolating valves in the outlet of those 2pirts for future maintanence
Yep…. Good shout that.
It’s a fairly small property so swapping them if ever it is needed would be an issue but I know what your saying
Brilliant Video ❤
Thanks mate….. I have been ordering a few bits from you😉😉 (like the 45’s literally as I was filming this video😉)
I've got a picking and Packing video done with your order. Don't go wasting fittings 😂... Will get it posted later this week. I'll need to get your autograph 😊
Hahaha…. Thanks buddy, look forward to seeing it….
As long as I’m not signing for a huge fittings order🤣🤣
I use a plastic fitting on copper if I can't solder for whatever reason. Thought about press fit, then saw the price! Also my tool bag is heavy enough as it is, it's just another bit of kit that you have to empty into your customers house. But never say never, as they say.
I said never…… about 18months ago…… now look🤣🤦🏻♂️
I think it’s just thinking more ahead than anything Mark. With press it makes you think two steps ahead and once you get going you’ll be fine. Speed comes in time like anything mate. The tight press where you soldered could of been done another way and you probably thought of it when you were in the van or afterwards of which you would do next time 👍
Yep a few ways of doing stuff it would seem…. It’s all about learning like you said
I think the press fit folks might have cut out the existing T and used a new press fit T and straight elbow.
No automatic bypass?
It’s on the UFH manifold….. 👍🏼
That boiler has an integrated one methinks. No use on the manifold if the valves shut really.
@@killercabbage1276 yeah it's gotta be before the valve otherwise no point. Not digging out his work at all just wondering
Press fit does look very neat all the same.
On side note, would you not need to fit an auto bypass now youve zoned the system?
I have buddy… popped back this morning as they didn’t have one at the time in stock
Loving your ' journey ' 😂. There's a place for every type of fitting. I love pressing but today I had to solder because press just wouldn't have worked. 👍👍
Thanks mate….. seems a lot of people are enjoying this content
Yeah soldered fittings are cheaper but the price of solder flux gas and extra labour don't think it ends up costing anymore. And I always understood that you should ream your pipe for pressfit ?
I think your right, it all outweighs each other I think
From what I've seen the people who really stand by press-fit copper are all *really* good with pipe bending; and it's not just a cost thing - if you can bend a pipe round a tricky run you don't have the issue with trying to get the jaws into tight spaces etc. For example where your underfloor return came down through the ceiling that could have been 1 peice of tube with 2 bends that threaded up to the plastic pipe and would literally only need 1 press onto the t-junction - but you have to be confident with your pipe bending because if you muck it up it's not £5 in fittings it's a 3ft run of pipe that is now useless.
Yep great point that👍🏼👍🏼
Well Mark its still a learning curve but you are doing ok with it ..not always possible to use all press fit ..perhaps if it was a new job then you could work out the pipe better ..
All good 👍 👌
Exactly John….. 👍🏼👍🏼
Peace of mind not leaving a job having soldered underfloor or loft. Sleep better.for sure. Thanks for Great videos.
Thanks buddy 👍🏼👍🏼
It's quick and to be honest nothing wrong with mixing methods....
As an amateur DIYer...I've used the pre formed 45 bends...saves having to bend pipe....never say never...you may use one
Indeed buddy 😉👍🏼
Can you twist a press once it's on?
No mate, locks solid👍🏼
Like people have said press has its place, took me a while to use it but now that I have its great, especially like you said if there is water in the pipework. Hopefully the more it’s used the fittings might get cheaper 🤞
Yep I think as I get used to how to go about it it will get easier etc👍🏼👍🏼
Not sure how much the price is going to drop. The Germans have been using press fit all over the place for 20 years and it's still five times the price of solder fittings.
Does multilayer not exist in England
You mean plastic pipe??
When you route the pipes, pay more attention to the flow direction. I see a lot of T joints and bends. Put a bend first where the most flow is, after that you can use a T. For example the return above the boiler. You could’ve go up from the boiler, left bend (male/female) and directly a T joint. It would save you 2 bends of flow restriction, and fewer cost. You would need 2 more couplers, but those are cheaper than the bends. Also, I prefer fixing the pipes, before pressing and cutting everything to size. More accurate and works faster.
Always find that with drain offs pointing down, it just collects crap and acts as a sump - then most of the time they don’t work.
Think you get that even when they are on there side aswell…. Key is a clean system😉
I'm an inveterate DIYer and obviously press fit is not economically viable for me, but it interesting to see.
Yep it’s a huge cost for plumbers let alone DIY people….. like you say it’s always good to see something different
I’ve the Rothenberger press tool, wish I had never bought it, it works fine but I find it to much of a pain to use most of the time, when I do use it I can’t help but think I’ve been cheating, 😅
Hahaha… I know what you mean🤣
What’s a street elbow?
An elbow with a pipe size tail….. if that makes sense
Short bit of pipe in middle of tee, motorised valve on that, then you would’ve had room for a piece of pipe with a set to go between motorised valve and elbow
Experience will have you giving every bit of extra length in the pipework to allow for press fit awkwardness
I know what you mean…
Not a lover of press fit at all ,too bulky looking and with the expansion of copper how will the o rings fair .. I remember the big hype when speed fit come out 20 plus years later and the amount of speed fit fittings i come across that are about to fail or have failed is massive especially when going from speed fit to copper on heating circuits
Yep some people like it and som don’t 👍🏼👍🏼
The issue is ball valves are so expensive with pro press.
How can their be a learning curve ? Either you pulled the trigger or you didnt.
Throw the torch in the bin mate, you’ll save money on your public liability insurance too 👍 plus save so much time soldering
Yep that’s a plus
It’s all about cost etc
Time is money….. and this saves time and because of that…. Money 👍🏼
no by pass s plan ?usually towel rail
Will be going in before filling the system
I think a live show would be great
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The great debate - press fit, push fit, compression and solder joints!! They each have their ideal place to be used but for the job you have just shown JG Speedfit would have done everything just as easily. Not as neatly as Pressfit and are best out of sight!! My biggest worry is that pressfit suffers from the plumbers nightmare - the fitting needs to be undone to change a pipe length etc. Apart from pressfit they can all be taken apart. The electric press tool can be £2000. I'll stick to the Mole grips!!
Wouldn’t want any of that in speedfit as it’s on show….. I personally never have plastic pipes on show….
at the end of the day it's about doing what's right for each situation. Who can complain about that?
Completely agree mate
Mark why have you used the negative word FAIL. What you have actually shown is how press fit can live alongside soldering. Just like plastic push fit can work with copper, as i said mark i am 55 on a Professional Plumbers Course you are giving me so much knowledge. Would be great if i could shadow you for a day. As usual keep going legend
Thanks mate…. Glad your picking up tips from my content.
The fail word is a TH-cam thing I guess…..
No way is perfect but each way has its advantages in my experience I use both …pressfit has gotten me out of so many situations and these days a lot of places don’t want hot works!
Yep a time and place for everything
You didnt deburr the pipes. You can use angle jaws to get pro press in almost anywhere. Besides that great, 8/10.
Yea go for it would love to see the lives can be like a round up oh the week and to vent lol
👍🏼👍🏼 really should do one I think
On another note I have seen press fit blow off as well 😮
Yep….. I’ve seen pressfit/pushfit and soldered fittings blow off….. nothing in life is 100% apart from the end..🤦🏻♂️
The only bit of advice I would give on press fit is, you have to think before you press, because in tight corners and where lots of pipes cross over you may have to take out a section of pipe and press the elbow or other fitting out of position and then put it back in. Because sometimes you can’t get the press tool in some places. You press all the other bits and then find you can’t get the press tool in it’s too late. Ask me how I know? 😜
I’m finding this out mate 🤣🤣