Hey guys! I'm so happy a lot of you enjoyed this video! Thanks for messaging me about this minor correction, I know my knowledge of Hebrew grammar is a bit lacking. My handling of the name "elohim" was a little bit off because the word's usage in the Hebrew bible grammatically is rather strange and inconsistent. In Hebrew, the ending -im (as in elohim) normally indicates a masculine plural; however the word elohim is used in the Bible associated with interchangeably plural and singular adjectives and verbs. For instance in Genesis 1:1 the verbs and adjectives are singular despite elohim at it's root meaning denoting a plural "gods" instead of "God" (so my translation of Genesis 1:1 that I gave in the video isn't 100% correct, but then again the text is a little weird too). There are other instances in which elohim has plural verbs and adjectives as its root would imply. The plural interpretation of Genesis 1:1 I think is strengthened despite the singular verbs and nouns used by the fact the Genesis Elohim refers to itself in the plural at times like Genesis 1:26 "Then God said, “Let *us* make mankind in *our* image, in *our* likeness..." It's all a bit odd, but I think again somewhat supports the idea that the existence of other gods wasn't denied within the original biblical canon/religion of the Hebrew authors with the inconsistent usages of "elohim" suggesting a remnant of an older age. Looking back I wish I took a deeper and more thorough dive at the grammar and stuff in this video but odds are it would have turned out even longer. I'll likely make a minor correction video including some small corrections like this. Regardless, I think the main interpretation of the Nephilim and Sons of God(s) I presented in the video should stay relatively the same.
So yahweh had a coup and got rid of the other gods, And according to Christian doctrine other gods are actually demons or Satan And demons and Satan are said to have had a rebellion against God
Jonah Epstein I believe you might actually be right, Genesis 6:1-4 might be J and not P. I think I might have misspoke if that’s the case. Thanks for bring this to my attention, I’ll review my sources a second time and if so I’ll add it to the correction video.
I was surprised you didn't mention the ten commandments that said, "Thou shall put no other Gods before me." I have always felt that made it obvious there are other Gods.
@Jonah Epstein Yeah I double checked and I believe you're right, Genesis 6:1-4 is believed to have been written by the J source and not P. My bad, I assumed it was P because of the usage of "elohim" in the sons of god(s) phrase. I emailed Professor John Day and he can maybe clarify it for me too to double check
Quincy Archer I wanna be Asherah. Im already asherah. What about Zeus? Im already zeus. I’ll be Yahweh. NERF yahweh. Your Syn. I wanna be Syn. I guess ill be Lada. Im already Lada. I’ll be Odin. I already choose Odin.
Overweight Grandma No, hes saying that early Judaism was not “hard” monotheistic, that they didnt reject the existence of other gods just but that they only worshiped one.
Randomguy 220 this. Early jewdism was more about having a patron god for the Jewish people more than declaring all other gods false. Some believe that YHWH was originally a household god that then developed into a more monolithic entity over time.
Zatchooze Naut Don’t get me wrong, I think the concept of a singular omnipotent and omniscient God is a lot more intriguing and unique than the common pantheon where “there’s a number of Gods that govern different attributes of nature but are neither all knowing or immeasurably powerful”, since it more directly raises metaphysical questions on the nature of reality and morality. However, from what I know a leading anthropological theory on the Early Jews was that YWHW was originally a more personal patron deity and the theologically consensus changed to the universal deity early on.
We can deal with spirits, but the nephilim in physical form are powerful. You need to be strong in prayer and it if it end times they win. God promised them their time. th-cam.com/video/4ur64t9cH8k/w-d-xo.html my video explaining them
@@ganger9 hey! Theres still time for all that to change...never know.... Sometimes it gets a little too quite during a wonderful sunset ...and my paranoid mind needs to imagine a chorus of trumpets screaming through the sky -.-
*This video is full of errors* and his own opinions, it's not near the truth and not scientific at all. *Inspired Philosophy* has a video on that subject, make sure to read it and *stop the misinformation.*
@@knighty6y744 This is the name of the video. Make sure to check it. " 4. The Reliability of the New Testament (Authorship & Dating) " by Inspiring Philosophy
@@jwjakloaaj7942 if a nephilim girl wanted to hook up with you, would you not take that opportunity? i'd say yes in a heartbeat, that kind of mystique and power is alluring
Actually the author tried but he left out a lot of stuff, he is not versed on the subject maybe this will help you The nephilims are found throughout the entire Bible, you went to numbers 1333, you said after they roam the desert for 40 years they went there, when they actually went there and were scared and God commanded Moses to carry them to the desert for 40 years until all those who murmured had their carcasses laying waste in the desert. 40 years later God brings them back to the land of Canaan after they already killed the Giants on the other side of the river see Deuteronomy 2 10¶The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; 11Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims. 12The Horims also dwelt in Seir beforetime; but the children of Esau succeeded them, when they had destroyed them from before them, and dwelt in their stead; as Israel did unto the land of his possession, which the LORD gave unto them. 13¶Now rise up, said I, and get you over the brook Zered. And we went over the brook Zered. 14And the space in which we came from Kadeshbarnea, until we were come over the brook Zered, was thirty and eight years; until all the generation of the men of war were wasted out from among the host, as the LORD sware unto them. 15For indeed the hand of the LORD was against them, to destroy them from among the host, until they were consumed. 16¶So it came to pass, when all the men of war were consumed and dead from among the people, And also Deuteronomy 2:20¶(That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims; 21A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead: 22As he did to the children of Esau, which dwelt in Seir, when he destroyed the Horims from before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead even unto this day: 23And the Avims which dwelt in Hazerim, even unto Azzah, the Caphtorims, which came forth out of Caphtor, destroyed them, and dwelt in their stead.) Every bit of the book is based on God using Israel or the children of Adam to remove the Nephilim which are actually the children of the angels from Genesis 3:15... You said you weren't sure what size they were that it does not tell you, when actually it does in several places give indication of the enormous statute of these mixes of humans and angels.. here's a reference to King OG and his bed and his height, you can still go visit his bed today in the Ammonitecity of Rabbah.as they still have it on display... Deuteronomy 311¶For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man. 12¶And this land, which we possessed at that time, from Aroer, which is by the river Arnon, and half mount Gilead, and the cities thereof, gave I unto the Reubenites and to the Gadites. 13And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called the land of giants. 14Jair the son of Manasseh took all the country of Argob unto the coasts of Geshuri and Maachathi; and called them after his own name, Bashanhavothjair, unto this day. Then I almost forgot, you didn't even know the Giants came from Canaan which is why they were in the land of Canaan which is also known as The Land of the Giants.. Now Deuteronomy 7:1 is 40 years later Israel comes back to the land of Canaan where God commands them to kill all the women the men and the children of the Nephilim which are also known as The Seven Nations of the Canaanites.. You also stated you didn't know how the Nephilim made it through the flood, well that's found in Genesis chapter 9, Canaan was a Nephilim who repopulates the Nephilim After the flood.. The 11 nations of Canaan.. When you look at God commanding israel, he is specifically commanding them to kill the women the men and the children of this specific race of Nephilim.. Here it is again in 2 Samuel 21 now notice in these passages it describes things like the nephilims spear being as big as a Weaver's being weighing so many shekels of brass, these things give you an idea of the sheer strength and power of these people, it also refers to them as having six fingers and six toes, there's also been archaeological excavations of large Cranium with double rows of teeth as well.. These are the brothers of Goliath.. 2 Samuel 2115¶Moreover the Philistines had yet war again with Israel; and David went down, and his servants with him, and fought against the Philistines: and David waxed faint. 16And Ishbibenob, which was of the sons of the giant, the weight of whose spear weighed three hundred shekels of brass in weight, he being girded with a new sword, thought to have slain David. 17But Abishai the son of Zeruiah succoured him, and smote the Philistine, and killed him. Then the men of David sware unto him, saying, Thou shalt go no more out with us to battle, that thou quench not the light of Israel. 18¶And it came to pass after this, that there was again a battle with the Philistines at Gob: then Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Saph, which was of the sons of the giant. 19And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam. 20¶And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant. 21And when he defied Israel, Jonathan the son of Shimea the brother of David slew him. 22¶These four were born to the giant in Gath, and fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants. Now what is emerging from the biblical context, is that the children of Israel actually mixed with the Nephilim see Judges chapter 3, the Seven Nations become around 18 nations of this mixed creation.. This is why at the end of the book the prophecy States Israel would be as many as the sand of the sea but only a Remnant would receive the promise, because only the remnant were actually the children of israel, the rest were the children of the wicked one the synagogue of Satan, the Tares....... The same two seeds from Genesis 3:15, were then called in to judgment in Matthew 13:38. What it shows is the religious community is actually guilty of replacement theology, they've hijacked someone's ancient book concerning their bloodline Covenant
@@jarrodpritchard1320 I believe the first Epic of the Book of Enoch is the only one that's authentically found with the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1947, it's actually called The Book of the Giants,
I think it's deeper than that....scientists try to portray how stupid and low tech we were to enhance their scientific outlooks of evolution when in fact we we have been devolving hence the fact that we couldn't even translate anything till we found the rosetta stone that a historian found utilizing biblical geology.... they always forget to mention that we were advanced in organic chemistry/cold fusion which we know exists but fail to achieve currently....we still can't even blend genes from other species efficiently yet back then they could...
How to get from polytheism to monotheism: 1. All our Gods exist 2. I prefer one of all of our Gods 3. My God is better than yours 4. Your God is so weak it doesn't even exist 5. My God is the only God
I believe that all gods are real but each are the representation of a one true Powerful Being, like the Roman Emperor Julian Believes, that we are worshiping that one true being in different ways.
All God's are probably the same God just seen from different viewpoints because a tribal God will be seen differently in behaviour to a suburban kid in the US's God's behaviour
in the bronze age of the mediterranean, all of the city states and nations had a patron deity. anu, yahweh, marduk, ashur, athena, artemis, etc. most of them even had a physical idol which was regarded as being literally their god or their primary connection to their god, and they would capture and ransom these idols
Yep, one of my favorites is when the Assyrians steal the God of the Urartians (modern Armenia) out of its temple and they went to war and got it back, only for the Assyrians to return years later and steal it again and this time burn down the temple. This had to be such a common occurrence back then that I wonder if cities had any type of protocol they followed once they realized it was gone.
That business of stealing other people's gods went on throughout the European age of imperialism. Idols were seized from Africa, Asia, America and Oceania and brought back to be displayed in museums in London, Paris, Berlin, etc. In the USSR they were taken from churches and monasteries to museums, to which the faithful still go to venerate them. For some reason we don't display busts of Hitler in museums, but there is talk of doing that for slave-owners and Confederate generals.
In Hebrew, when we say happy birthday we also say "ad 120" meaning "may you live till 120" (kindof) I somehow never knew that verse so I just it was just a may you live to grow old blessing, but apparently it's just a reminder of our expiration date
As a Christian, I really appreciate how you treated the material with total respect while exploring the historical and literary context! Thank you for this very interesting video!
@@craigstuckey319 Not sure what you mean by “this shit”. I recognize that the Bible is not perfect and that certain things, like the “sons of gods” in this video, are a result of cultural influence. But I do believe in its God, who is personal, loving, and all-powerful, His son/aspect Jesus who came to save the world with love and sacrifice, and His aspect the Holy Spirit who leads us in our daily lives.
Both jews and christians from ethiopia still accept it. Early christians derided jews for striking it from canon, yet later christians did the same, likely because of the book of enoch's condemnation of war. Yet canonical books of the bible refer to things in enoch, showing that to the authors it was part of canon.
One issue I noticed: You mention Gil being from before the flood, but he's clearly from after the flood, because one of the main points of his story is he goes on a journey to seek out the only human left from before the flood which is Utnapishtim. He goes to him and he's like "how do i get some of that sweet immortality you guys had before the flood" and Utna was like "sorry man the gods don't give that shit out anymore but i'll put a quest marker on your map where you can find an herb" and Gil was like "wtf that's in the ocean" and Utna was like "lol yeah glhf"
Isn't it that the "Story of Gilgamesh" as we know it which cites those events is post-flood, but the character of Gil himself is pre-flood? Like seeing a movie about Jesus riding a harley and being like "wait doesn't Jesus predate motorbikes?".
@@Kowzorz No I mean like in the story itself, one of the major plot-points is Gil is seeking immortality... and the flood is what wiped out all the immortals, and there's one guy left named Uta-Naphistim who the gods spared which is why Gil is looking for him. But the flood is already considered impossibly ancient by the time the story takes place... in actuality, the flood is like 10,000 BC which was the end of the last ice age and the story takes place in like 3,000ish BC most likely... so the flood was older to Gil than Gil is to us.
@@seranonable Yes I get that. I'm saying that the creation of Gil as a character in the mythos of these people is not concurrent with the Epic you draw those stories from. Gil is a character we have evidence of existing in mythos as far back as an extra 600 years from the earliest part of the Epic's written authorship. And these references made by kings those 600 years before the Epic refer to him as an already known character. "Look at me, I am great. Great enough to be blood related to Gil". Most of the mythology from this time seems to refer to people from the copper age (great men/demigods from a handful of generations before) and their disappearance from the world, leaving fewer demigods, is a result of the flood. This would place the mythological flood event much closer to their age than 10k bc.
I did theology at university and it was taught in a secular context. I absolutely loved studying the history, textual analysis, and source theory, behind the scriptures, and it is so important to study these texts in their original languages too. Far from undermining my faith, my faith was matured by understanding the complexity of the Bible's composition and the diversity of ideas in the library of books which we call the Bible.
It truly is interesting and fascinating, I agree, but it is fiction. I find it hard to believe you actually take the bible as truth, despite all what is known regarding it - and also discussed in this video. You must of broke your back to keep a smile on your face to say you only matured your faith in this book.
@@ronswanson7607 no he's right, i too find it almost impossible to believe that he truly believes the bible is real. At best its just legends and poetry.
@@ronswanson7607 I mean the video literally proves that his religion is nothing more than a sham, how could he still be christian without ignoring reality?
@@tyler-qr5jn This might hurt you and Average Alien, but the clergy of mainstream churches, especially Calvinist churches, are expected to spend their four years in seminary studying Hebrew and Greek and learning the Bible in detail. I know a lot of clergy, and they read and interpret (find the meaning in) scripture and it enhances their faith, as it is supposed to do. The Bible does not work as legend or fiction, it makes no sense interpreted that way. The Israelites had a unique epistemology (way of knowing), they wrote down their experiences as theology lessons. This means that their experiences were things that happened to them, because that is what they were learning from. The texts that they had rescued from the destruction of Jerusalem became their scripture. Anything from before the time of Abraham was not particularly monotheistic because Abraham was the first monotheist, so we get references like the ones discussed here.
Wow. I once had a pastor who said that seminary is often called "cemetary" because there are many who go and study at seminary and lose their faith. I can see why. It's a little more nuanced than Sunday school.
@@charleshendrick7266 You're damn right. Even lacking that, if one were to honestly consider the story at face value, we encounter a slew of inconsistencies. If we simply look at the way the stories are approached by the faithful, we see that for every 100 denominations of Christianity, there are 100 different ways of looking at everything from the trinity to the creation myths. It's a hermeneutic nightmare. And it gets worse if we start with the assumption that an omnipotent, omniscient being is responsible for it. Why on Earth and the stars above would a being so superior to us in every possible way inspire a story that falls flat to even the most feeble of human critical analysis? Barring outright deception (which is often considered anathema to God) there is no plausible reason why save that the omnipotent, omniscient being itself is somehow flawed. Which is a contradiction, and something that no faithful person would ever entertain. Because of this, those who question its veracity must be compelled to one simple truth: This book is the work of humanity, unfettered by supernatural or divine intervention. A myth, not unlike the many that came before and after it. And yet it persists. Taken as immutable truth by the many to their detriment.
Well those people were very weak in the faith because I find many atheist claims about the Bible are very easily refuted and frankly badly researched. He calls nephilim 'sons of God' even though in the Bible, that term refers to the fallen angels (Satan and his demon followers) who slept with mortal women and had children with them called the nephilim. These are not old gods that people stopped believing in, they were the children of the devil and other fallen angels. I would tell your old pastor not to worry about people who go astray as they either will come back if they regain their spark and see the light or if Good sees they can't be saved, keep on their path of disillusion, in my opinion, but you can disagree with me.
@@richardleeskinneriii9640 But there is hope.. Christianity if failing slowly in the west. just much too slowly. What is skeery is Islam is growing. We can only cross our fingers (lol I refuse to pray) that with the internet and all the information it provides now that Islam too will hit a wall and start dying out. Some religions are basically harmless, but the Abrahamic faiths are toxic to the survival of our species.
@@tylersmith3139 Pardon... what exactly are "atheist chains"?? you speak of?? And where did you get your degree in Theology. Why are you here pretending to know things which you can not know? Are you perhaps indulging in an adult beverage while sitting at the keyboard? The point Mr Skinner and I are making is that with knowledge and study one usually realizes it is all BS. Another sad fact is that even after realizing their life's goal with degrees in their particular theology they have no other skills and sometimes trapped in to teaching the BS as truth, all the time feeling like a hypocrite. I use to be a bible thumping Christian myself.. up until I did a considerable amount of study and my eyes opened. Its like being in the Matrix and taking the wrong pill. Gnite.
What I like about this video is it treats the bible like just kinda a fun story to analyse, instead of getting all mad and ranting about how it makes no sense and 'how could people believe this?'
agree. as much as i love a good debate, it is nice to hypothesize and try to understand without bias. it makes it a lot more light-hearted (in my opinion), without trying to appear 'inferior' or argumentative. no disrespect towards any group. very nice
@Andre Marchand Unfortunately, the vocal minority have ruined it for all of us atheists (as with everything.) Most of us don't believe this stuff but don't hate it either. Its just like a christian reading about Greek mythology, we don't believe it but it can be an interesting story regardless.
I find it a shame how defensive a lot of people get when you treat the Bible like any other mythology too be analyzed and interpreted. There’s so much interesting info about so many mythologies from different religions, but Christian mythology isn’t covered much by people unless they treat the situation with the underlying assumption that it’s all true, and then your just called a crazy person. I feel like the Bible should be looked at for what it is and given the same treatment as other religious/mythological text, a book with many authors and many philosophies from throughout history.
@Andre Marchand Here's the thing. I don't look down on theists. And the bible is an interesting book to decode. But the problem is people actually believe it. I don't look down on religios people but I'm not going to respect their beliefs. If you believe these things it actually changes your attitude towards science, and how to treat evidence. Let's be honest. This doest make any sense. Like if I told you there's a giant sentient candy that lives in the LA subway system. No one would say "come on guys, repect his beliefs."
@@martinfernandez882 Yeah but that giant sentient candy makes less sense than God and nobody would actually believe that while billions of people believe in God
It would be really cool if you made a video concerning the development of early Judaism. This was super interesting and it was very surprising to learn about this concept of many gods in the beginnings of Judaism.
@@otakumangastudios3617 You can do further research on why secular scholars believe that the earliest forms of Judaism were indeed polytheistic! But only if you want to.
@@otakumangastudios3617because Yahweh was just one of a pantheon of gods for early Israelites, Baal being one of them. There is a lot of evidence for this if you just do some google searches of academic papers
@otakumangastudios3617 even in the torah, before moshe and even in egypt, the jews were polytheistic. Also, in Kings 2 (i think) the jews strayed to other false gods like ba'al under the evil kings. This is all disregarding the textual progression itself but whatever
It reminds how in DC Comic's universe, All religions are real (even when they contradict each other) And every deity thinks and says THEY are the First.
It's like that in the Percy Jackson books too, and all the gods of Olympus basically refer to Jehova (God from Jewish, Christian and Catholic religions) as "that guy" and try to avoid him for being a nuisance
@@gunnarraiden5400 Literally every other religion has done everything you've stated here. You haven't even read the proper bible. Read an older translation and you'll see even God himself thought he was full of shit.
Actual God only told Abraham to do that to his sons to show his devotion. Other then that it's a tradition almost every religion at the time did. God never said everyone had to do it lmao
@@obad7633 No, in Genesis 17:9-11, God says that all of Abraham's desendents should do it, not just his sons. "And God said to Abraham, 'As for you, you shall keep my covenant, you and your offspring after you throughout their generations. This is my covenant which you shall keep, between me and you and your offspring after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised. ...' "
@@brickham2008 that was of that nation that fell in later years God did not mean it to the end of time he literally meant his children and there offspring. Not everyone. He wasn't the only human alive on earth But I understand why you and many other see this poor translation this way. God wanted his word spread even to children not of just Abraham so thefore God would've told him to carry this message to those not of his own blood but God never says that so again my original comment is right.
@@obad7633 He tells Abraham, "you and your offspring after you throughout the generations". I interpret that as all future generations (Abraham's decendents). I'm not sure you reached the conclution that it was only his children's offspring. Most of the bible is ambiguous or difficult to interpret though.
@@brickham2008 that is simply the wording of a modern translation through several other languages. I don't care how you interpret it thats not what God meant. As written by X person.
The devil resemble Pan from Greek Mythology. The devil is sometimes shown with a trident similar to Poseidon also. Jesus walked on water and daughter of either Zeus or Poseidon could make water so they could walk on it. Hermes could heal the sick had a staff with something resembling serpents similar to Moses.
@Mark Smileer I know you don''t care because you seem a bit like a crackpot. But Allah means God in arabic. If you worship ANY god and call them god then you'd say you worship Allah in arabic. Christians who speak arabic pray to God, or in arabic they worship Allah. Like everything you said was super wrong but like that one is just so basic i couldnt' help myself but correct you.
Jeez, it reminded me of the one time I took some theology electives back in my university days. It was really eye opening of how complex the actual background of modern day oversimplified religious principles really are. Keep up the good work. Be it monsters, fossils, or scrolls, your take is always enjoyable and enlightening!
Vladimir Lagos thank you so much! I’m happy you enjoyed it :D and I will definitely continue to make more videos about those wide range of subjects ;) It means a lot that you guys appreciate the time and research I put in these things
I agree.. I am no longer part of a "church" Jesus said we are the church. I Ann the church. I love the Apocrypha.. but it also brings the new testament to life. It is all just so amazing how it fits together.
To be honest, this reminds me a bit of a concept I’ve seen in Greek mythology. I forgot if this was from the Hesiod or Iliad, but I remember a passage about how humans are a weaker form I think either made of earth or iron, and that there were previous iterations of humans made of gold or bronze who were taller and lived easier and longer lives. I suppose this reflects a theme of decay I’ve seen in ancient texts, especially ones created during or soon after the Greek dark ages, which also coincided with a “collapse” (a word I’m using in summary, because the whole topic is a little too complex to go into for a TH-cam comment) of other Mediterranean civilizations. I think it reflects both a nostalgia for an idealized past, in addition to a philosophy that human life is getting worse, hence my use of the word “decay.” It’s cool to see this theme show up in canonical/noncanonical versions of the Hebrew bible too, if it is what I’m thinking about.
I remember this from the Metamorphosis by Ovid, I think the 'four ages' are mentioned in the beginning, describing the genesis of humans. It's so interesting to see the concept of a sort of 'paradise lost' reappearing in different cultures.
This actually makes sense scientifically. Increased mutational load, discovered by geneticist H. Muller did find that increased life expectancy allows for certain ailments to propagate and build up.
@@theloweffortchannel7211 I've read an interesting hypothesis about the origin of the "golden age" meme in human mythology: it's a kind of collective memory of the hunter-gatherer phase of our development, just before agriculture became a thing. Back then, humanity reached a kind of "peak" in their niche. The nomadic tribes were big enough to protect themselves with weaponry, so predators no longer posed a serious threat, but small enough where they didn't rapidly deplete natural resources and got into conflicts with other tribes. They were advanced enough to construct shelters, form social hierarchies, and preserve surplus food to ensure everyone's survival, but they weren't stratified yet, and didn't have enough surplus to cause a population explosion. Then agriculture happened. It caused there to be lots of surplus, meaning exponential population growth, trade, and people being freed up from subsistence troubles and developing industry. All of this had to be managed, so a ruling class emerged, and since the farmlands couldn't be moved, it led to sedentary settlements. However, since now they were reliant on agriculture, they became much more vulnerable to droughts, floods, and other natural disasters. An earthquake or a strorm makes little difference to a hunter-gatherer tribe, but to settled farmers, destruction of their property and fields are a huge deal. The larger population centers also provided ample grounds for diseases to spread, which previously couldn't reach pandemic levels due to tribes being spread out, and because they were now both competing for arable land and amassing wealth through surplus, invading and plundering others became a viable thing, leading to wars and conflicts on scales never seen before. So, looking at this from the point of view of a second or third generation farmer, we have this: Today, we have famines, plagues, we have to do back-breaking labor for kings and lords who rule over us, and our neighbors could invade us any day and plunder everything and kill us. Yet, my grandfather told me about different times. Back then, the lands were so plentiful, our ancestors didn't have to farm to survive, and there were no wars, no famines, no plagues, and they were all equal, without any kings or warlords! It was truly a golden age, while we now live in a decaying age. In other words, reminiscing and mythologizing the "good old days", not realizing they were entirely subjective and more often than not bubbles that can no longer be recreated, was a thing long, looong before the modern day cries about the "lost American dream".
@@Her_Viscera what are you guys doing this Yule? We decorating the Yule tree in honor of the birth of Christ in December even though he was born in April?
I had never heard the term "monolatry," but the idea is plain from Genesis 2. If the author believed in a single, omnipotent god, then the tree and the snake were a dirty trick and the god was a trickster. If however, the author believed his god to be one of many powers, then the tree and the snake were beyond his control, and his disappointment was genuine, his anger more understandable.
Many historians believe that originally Yahweh was one of many gods, likely not even the main one and that the angels were originally other gods of this pantheon that were demoted to spirits when they changed to a monotheistic system. Like most of human history most of the bible existed only in speech before it was written and then changed to fit that writer's ideals
You know, this partial polytheism also explains the second commandment. that's the one about graven images and not worshiping any other gods. Assuming that Yahweh is all knowing, you would be aware if no other gods existed, and it's silly to be jealous of a thing that doesn't exist. But if there were actual other gods that could take his worshippers from him, it makes perfect sense to explicitly ban the worship of them.
It wouldn't have to be "gods" in the literal sense. Imagine the things a fallen angel or their offspring (the Nephilim) could be capable of and how people could perceive them to be "gods" and worship them.
@@brandonjr1985 but if the Bible is the word of god, who knows everything, why would he, who would know they aren't gods, call them gods? Not to mention there's other instances where the old Polytheism sneaks in - in Genesis when god (el) is talking about making the world, they use the plural (elohim). As in "Let us make them in our image." It's very likely that the early Jewish people believed in multiple gods on some level, but that their god Yahweh was better, and over time they lost that belief in other gods. Like "Oh, yeah, Ba'al exists, but he sucks and he's not *our* god."
@@NikkyKicks I think, while it being the word of God, it had to be worded in such a manner that would make the most sense to the people of that time. These things and beings were already refereed to and seen as gods to many, so it would make most sense to call them as such. That doesn't mean in doing so he's equating them to Him, He refers to Himself as the God of gods. Think of Aaron and the golden calf. The people came to him and asked him to make them "gods" to go before them. I don't think they weren't expecting Aaron to literally create a god for them to follow, they just wanted something to worship and call their god. As for the “Let us make man in our image,” I'm honestly not sure yet. I've heard that depending on how the word is used it doesn't necessarily mean it to be plural but I also don't know Hebrew or have studied it enough to say one way or the other. I've also heard it's God/Holy Trinity (the father, son, and holy spirit) and that's why it's worded in "our" image. But I have more research to do before I could really say what I think it means.
@@brandonjr1985 I mean, I'm looking at the Bible from a scholarly perspective, as a text written by humans as a collection of their stories, not as the actual word of a supernatural being. As such, saying the plural refers to the Trinity doesn't make sense because the Christian Old Testament is Jewish in origin - they wouldn't have had the concept of the Trinity. And really, I'd argue the Trinity itself is almost polytheism, similar to how in Hinduism you have Krishna, who is a form of Vishnu - two separate beings who are somehow the same.
Gilbert Farwynd but again, why would a god who is all knowing and therefor aware that those gods aren’t real be so jealous of their worship? This is assuming that worship doesn’t involve anything that the god would call immoral beyond simply not being worship of them, of course. You think they’d have better things to do or command their people than that, like, idk, telling them slavery is wrong instead of telling the, exactly how to keep slaves for instance.
This was the kind of stuff that made me love Judeochristian theology classes in university. I'm not so much interested in whether or not any of it's true. I'm interested in the mythology, philosophy, & history where it can be found -- the insight into people's minds & world from so long ago is what interests me.
I saw your comment and thought you might enjoy my take on the Judeochristian message. My work is informed by a mystical union I had in 1997 and subsequent research. My latest post entitled IT IS GOING TO BE BIBLICAL can be found at www.mysticbeastblog.blogspot.com
Well, it isn't true, and the way people thought reality worked 5,000 years ago turned out to be wrong. It is immensely interesting, but I think it's better to dispense with platitudes toward these archaic authoritarian superstitions that have caused, and continue to cause, the bulk of our needless misery for the sake of people's hopes and dreams. They'll gladly crush another's hopes and dreams over a totally incorrect interpretation of a fragmentary ancient text, but how dare I call that kind of exclusionary elitist pathology what it is. Sorry if you're Christian, I believe religions are a positive evil in the world.
@@SandhillCrane42 Having been an atheist until 1997 I get your sentiment. However, if your mind is open and you have a humble heart you just might appreciate my latest blogpost IT IS GOING TO BE BIBLICAL at www.mysticbeastblog.blogspot.com - No worries of the same old same old if you do check it out.
@@SandhillCrane42 Ahh, I'm gonna guess you're a teenage male who properly became an atheist some time in the last 5 years... Maybe early 20s. I'm your future.
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C'mon Trey you know they are the offspring of barn owls with basking sharks
So a friend of mine recently convinced me to listen to this podcast that basically tells the entire bible in chronological order. The host of the podcast usually tries to explain the things mentioned. Adam and Eve had another kid and his name was seth, his descendants were known as the sons of god and cain’s descendants were the daughters of men. So the nepheilim might have just been called the fallen because they were the descendants of the “fallen” cain. The translation they used was the standard catholic edition so it might clash with other explanations.
Look up ancient architecture and you will see. Giant stairs and smaller stairs build as an afterthought. Buildings made bigger then they should be for supposed tall people(Meaning more resources used then needed to if it was for normal humans).
Now if only the Smithsonian would try to make sense of this like Trey did, instead of censoring and supposedly destroying nephilim skeletons, thus causing a Streisand effect.
You completely blew my mind, the fact that it's possible to change an entire religion from a polytheistic to monotheistic because of a miss translation of "Gods" as "God"
It was probably the other way around: The translation was changed (intentionally or unintentionally) because the perception of the stories changed. Might have been a slow social/political agenda - like making your neighboring nations seem more evil so people don't have a problem fighting them/keeping them out - or simply a result of retelling them again and again.
It isn't a mistranslation. The Israelites weren't politheists because they believed other gods existed. The other gods were inferior to YHWH and were created by him. There was no evolution, their view was actually really consistent.
EntertainmentNihilist Henotheism is the belief that there is more than one god, but only one is worshiped. So I guess the ancient Israelites were henotheists. And I think that over time, they stopped believing the other gods and became monotheists.
I'd really love more kinds of videos like this. Even if it's long, it's just so in-depth and amazing. It's fascinating to see how foreign religions we're familiar with today were in the past. How even stuff like this evolves...
@@joejones891 Well, the Bible has changed through the millenia, just like all religious texts do unders certain circumstances. One day you have a polytheistic religion with a god called El, and then (after miniscule changes, one by one) you have a monotheistic one with God, the character of which would of changed from a weather god/air god, to that of an omnipotent being. You can use languages as another example.
@Soviet who Cuts I was joking...It was a joke against creationists. Of course the Bible is not proof of evolution, but the way in which the Bible changed through the millenia is just like the evolution of languages and akin to that of species evolving. Unlike evolution, the Bible was altered many times _because_ of the selective pressures (political, religious), instead of selective pressures selecting already present changes.
This study is a jaw dropper! Thorough, detailed, I felt like I was drinking from a fire hydrant of information, and I thought I had a fairly decent understanding of this subject. You are “The Explainer Extraordinaire” Excellent work and presentation!
I know it may be a little late, but the youtuber UsefulCharts has made videos about ancient religion from an analytical view like this too. I think he said he even has a degree in religious studies.
When I first had read and paid attention to what I was reading, in the Bible, I kind of paused for a bit, and suspected that the verse about "men of old" was referring to the likes of Hercules, etc. I mean, there's a phrase about the "sons of god/gods" having children with "daughters of men", and I thought that that sounded a lot like what Zeus did. So yeah, I chalked up all of that to have been implicitly related, but the Bible has to do by all means to be monotheistic, even though it keeps referring to "other gods" (which I think is weird). And when I had watched a Supernatural episode, somewhere in Season 5, I saw that they tried to explain the hierarchical structure of the gods, in relation to angels, and God. From then, everything kind of made more sense for me. But I'll take a look at some Zoro... texts.
So I was doing research on Wikipedia and discovered henotheism, which is the belief that there may be more than one god, but only one of them is worshiped. So I guess the ancient Jews were henotheists, because they believe in many gods, but only worshiped Yahweh.
Chairman Nudder Budder Although the Avesta (the Zoroastrian religion text) was written after Judaism formed, scholars believe Zoroastrianism is older then Judaism.
Young man... you again have impressed me. It is sooooooo refreshing to see an in depth look at that earlier stage of Hebrew mythology/religion. I am not sure many people can realize just how much study you had to put in to this and the digging you had to do to sort it all out for us in a rational and unbiased vid. You have me hooked on your vids now. (this being the second I think I have run across). This is so well researched you minor flip/flap over the word Elohim is not really an issue at all. Thanks again.... You put in to words/vid what about the same conclusion I have had for years actually. You just connected all the dots.
@Ron Maimon I can't argue that interpretation... not being a scholar in Hebrew to English translations. But it seems pretty obvious that at one time the various Hebrew scribes that composed the OT were acknowledging there was more than a single god... in fact perhaps a whole pantheon or council of gods.....including the wife/consort of El.... Asherah... then tried to "write her out" of the scrolls... and archeology in Israel sure seems to confirm her early role... as perhaps even the mother of the 70 sons of El....then later consort to Yahweh. Their religion seemed to mutate/evolve in to monotheism, but evidence seems to indicate that was from pressure from a minority of scribal elites... not actually the beliefs of the "average" Hebrew folk.
@Ron Maimon And another thought... "Elohim" could indeed be somewhat "singular" in the same way that "city council" in our language is also singular but indicates a group.... just my 2 cents.
@Ron Maimon Way over my head there bro. I just enjoy digging around in the origins of religions... more or less as a hobby I guess. Most recent is the early Germanic gods...and slowly learning that in my old age. ..old rune poems and such. Strange how many things totally different religions seem to share such similar themes. Have a good day..... and do stay Covid free!
Or, due to the flood draining much of the water that was in the air back then, there was less protection from the radioactive forces of the sun, which resulted in shorter lifespans
@@tylerdurden3722 no? you mean that more exposure to radiation from space, the sun,etc wouldn't reduce lifespan? interesting, here i thought radiation was bad for us.
Question I recommend you try to research if you're willing: Jesus taught according to a 1st Century AD interpretation of the Hebrew texts. Knowing that the original texts were so different as to take on a different meaning altogether, what does this information mean as to the divinity of Jesus and the truth of his teachings beyond that of a mere philosopher? Knowing that satans (plural) were a type of angel (not fallen), what does it mean that the NT claims Jesus was fighting temptation from THE Satan? In short, how can Christianity hold up at all when most of its basic truth claims about the Old Testament don't even remotely resemble texts that existed closer to the birth of the Hebrew faith? I know there are apologetics out there about interpretation, but I've seen very few strong ones that address the older texts.
@@NieroshaiTheSable I'm not Christian, but *most* mainstream Christian denominations hold that the text of the Bible, while Divinely Inspired, was still written by fallible men. On the other hand, Jesus, as one of the Trinity, *is* divine made flesh, and therefore infallible/without sin. In the NT, Jesus himself says that he is trying to save mankind by revealing the true meaning of the laws (i.e. the Torah). Therefore I think most Christians would argue that the teachings of Jesus take precedence over even a quote-unquote "original text" of the OT. Furthermore, the OT histories are littered with instances where the Israelites stray from God's laws and worship foreign deities, make graven images, etc. Most Christians, I think, would argue that any Monolatrous version of the Torah is an example of that kind of straying.
@@Dahras1 Problem then. If Jesus taught as if the events of the OT are true, whether the Commandments require adherence or not (he says at least once they still DO), then discarding the OT makes the NT entirely useless. No original sin, no need for salvation. Disobeying the Commandments isn't a sin? No need for salvation. I promise you Jesus's sole message wasn't "believe I exist and have good intentions for you, and you get to meet my Dad."
@@NieroshaiTheSable I think if you reread my comment, you'll realize that in no way did I imply that the NT has Jesus saying to disregard the OT or the commandments, or that his message was as simple as "I love you all, you're going to see my Dad," or whatever. There's a world of difference between saying that and saying, "Jesus would have seen a monolatrous reading/version of the Bible as blasphemous and that according to Christians, Jesus is the final word on interpreting the OT." Look, I get that you find Christian belief preposterous, and that's fine. But acting like the entire belief system can be dismissed because there's evidence that some people at some point saw the religion differently is overstating the case.
Basically this: Each nation has a god/goddess. As the nation grew, it took over other nations and thus their patron/matron god/dess falls. These deities that fell are what comprised of Nephilims. Israel took the region and Yahweh becomes the last god standing and paved way to monotheism.
@The Shaniac Jesus was just the one born on earth to experience life as a mortal human to walk among them... doesn't mean he is an only child, we are all Gods children...
I know I'm a little late to the party in commenting on this. But I have to say, I have enjoyed these biblical/mythological breakdowns as much as I've enjoyed your prehistory content.
In the "Book of Enoch", (a fairly standard Hebrew study up unto the time of Jesus) it explains that when angels left their positions, and went to human women, and produced children, God told them he would cause their spirits to be bound to the physical realm (or Earth). So when they died, their spirits continued to persist in and throughout the Earth. This is where evil spirits, that torment the living, originate.
@John Stebner Lol you sound like a butt hurt christian upset that your holy book was written by mere men and not as "divinely inspired" as you thought.
John Stebner well it was still written by Hebrew people of the time, so it’s canonical status doesn’t matter as it likely inspired parts of the bible and was inspired by others, it is also a text at the time that allows us to understand more on the origins of their religion
Please don't apologize for being thorough with your research and in depth with your presentation of it. This was extremely interesting. I thought of one place in the Bible the "editors" missed: the first commandment, which states, "I am the lord thy god .. thou shalt have no other GODS before me."
Oh my, the perspective this video gave me is very interesting. If taken literally, ignoring all the stuff going on with writers, it seems to me Yaweh murdered his way to the top of the Hebrew pantheon in psalms, after being a comparatively minor god, and that is honestly kind of awesome
John Sanders Psalms 82 definitely suggests if taken literally that the Jewish god straight up killed all the other ones and now is the only god that exists because of it. Reminds me a lot of God of War XD
@@TREYtheExplainer No. YHWH says he *will* put to death the other gods, and the author of the psalm is calling upon him to rise up and reclaim the nations who are still under dominion of the other gods. YHWH can do that because he is head of the council, superior to all the other gods.
This guy's channel is amazing, the fact he actually reads all of the books in order to give the most accurate information is true dedication. What a based channel.
Man I was at a Christian rehab (teen Challenge adventure ranch) a couple months ago for about a year and one of the supervisors had autism and he would deep dive into biblical text learning to read Hebrew ancient Hebrew Greek and a few other languages I think. He would teach us words and they’re meaning and context. He had his own theories on these topics. Rosenberg. He was a genius I think. I forgot most of what he taught us. I wish I could talk to him now. I think him explaining the text in context publicly would be very interesting.
Hello, bro. I came across your comment two years later and it is still intriguing. Did you manage to reach out to this colleague of yours? This sounds like it would be an insightful analysis from a person who is obviously well-versed with Christian texts.
I've always wondered why an absolute single god would start off his Ten Commandments with "Thou shalt have no other gods before me". Making this the first and - at least in the mind of the average reader - most important rule to follow, suggests that there is a reason to be afraid of that. But if he was the only "real" god, he would not have much trouble convincing them with his miracles (as fake gods obviously can't work those).
I have always understood that commandment to have other layered meanings regarding idolatry, similar to the classic “you cannot worship/serve both God and money” quote from the Gospels.
Yoooo I didn't think about it like that! Interesting interpretation! I personally always thought he literally meant idols and gods from other mythologies, but yeah what if there was more to it than that? Something more ancient and mysterious?
@SKy_the_Thunder Interesting fact, though, the original commandments were never specifically divided into 10 distinct statements. They were apparently all written together into one monolithic paragraph, and the imagery of the Ten Commandments came when Jews, Catholic Christians, Muslims, and Protestant Christians each summarized that passage of the Old Testament in their own ways. In the Catholic summarizations, the command against worshipping false gods and building graven images to worship are both considered parts of the 1st commandment. From what I recall, it was mainly the Protestants that split the “graven images” line off into its own commandment, while turning the “shall not covet thy neighbor’s goods” and “shall not covet thy neighbor’s spouse” into the two-parter instead. So it does not seem to be 100% definive whether one absolutely has to interpret the “graven images” phrase as its own separate command, or merely a further clarification on not worshipping false gods.
@@markcobuzzi826 that's really cool! I always forget that the verse and chapter separations often just clerical additions for ease of reading the text. And thank God for them! I can't imagine how are they were to read before those divisions.
I was raised Pentecostal and anytime I was in church it was always "Jesus this, Jesus that" never really mentioning the old testament even though it was referenced lightly in service ( just never expanded upon) I feel church has sheltered me from the truth of the bible, focusing more on the more 'historically accurate and important' rather than the things that are the reason the bible exists. Its crazy.
If there is no God, no moral law giver, where must moral laws come from? Man. In that case, what gives any one man’s opinion, any one man’s truth more validity over any other man’s opinion or truth? After all, we are all equal no matter what you believe. In the evolutionary view, we are all Homo sapiens and in the Bible, equally sinful, equally in need of a Savior, equally created in the image of God. I could pull out several verses from various books in the Bible that clearly state this. So, in the evolutionary stance, all people are equal and all people’s truths are relevant. This is called subjective truth. People that believe in a subjective truth cannot believe in an absolute moral truth. Truth, by definition, is exclusive. Another way to state it is if you believe in subjective truth, you cannot believe in truth at all. Was it right for Hitler to kill the Jews? I don’t think it was but he thought he was right. Which is true? Is it right that women are allowed abortions? I don’t think so, but some people do. Which is true? Does it make any sense that a person will be charged with a double homicide if they kill a pregnant woman, but if she takes the life of the baby in her body she faces no legal consequences? Which is true, the baby inside is alive or not? Subjective truth is based on feelings not absolute truth. Subjective truth has got us to this point: A person that has a penis is, in my opinion, a man. That same person that has a penis can believe they are a woman. Which is true? Enter the transgender. In fact, what does science AND the Bible say that person is? Evolution is a worldview that cannot believe in truth, because in all above mentioned instances but certainly not limited to my examples, one has to be true. This world view is due to the belief there is no God, we are just a random product of chance and life has no meaning. We have no one to answer to but ourselves.
As a Christian I find this stuff really interesting bc in the grand scheme of things it doesn’t change my beliefs too much. And when compared to other parts of scripture it offers a lot of interesting insight like the 10 commandments where God says “you shall have no other gods before me” implying maybe other exist but God is the chief god deserving of praise.
It also says not to make any graven images/idols- like statues, golden Cafes ect. But there was also Sun & Moon worship & Scripture tells us the the devil is god (little "g") of this world. So basically don't make anything or anyone out to be your God, but the Almighty. 👍
I recently read the Swedish translation of the Bible and I found the Nephilim verse to be interesting: The giants: When the Humans now started to become numerous on earth and they bore daughters, the deities saw that the daughters of the humans were beautiful, and the ones they liked the best they took as wives. Then the Lord said: "My life spirit shall not remain in man forever - she is but of flesh. Her lifetime shall be 120 years." At that time - and also later - when the deities slept with the daughters of the humans, there were giants on earth. These were the heroes of ancient times, and their reputation was great. The word Nephilim is not mentioned in this translation, and their seems to have been "deities" as well.
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Hey Trey, everything you posted in this video lines up with everything I've ever researched on the subject. It also clears up a few lines from the Bible, like why Jesus is referred to as Gods "Only Begotten Son" instead of his only son - because God had other sons, they just were not born of woman. Also in Deut 32:40 as God is talking about himself he swears by his greatest attribute - I raise my hand to heaven and declare: as surely as I will live forever I will render vengeance to mine enemies! God's boon is not omnipotence nor omniscience - but his immortality. Also, the Commandments are clear - God is not saying that he is the only god, he is saying that "I am the Lord YOUR God, thou shalt have no other gods before me" - revealing that there are other gods, but according to the covenant, the Israelites are only to worship him. Great video, as always.
" God is not saying that he is the only god, he is saying that 'I am the Lord YOUR God, thou shalt have no other gods before me' - revealing that there are other gods, but according to the covenant, the Israelites are only to worship him." Oh my God! :) That sentence really topples everything we are forcefed today, it is a beautiful revelation of the Truth, and I love it!
Exodus talks about Israelites being swayed by other faiths, so bad that Moses smashed the first copy of the commandments (ancient table flip!). Then he had to go back up the mountain and ask again, how awkward is that? YWHW was like, "It's all good. Apparently, we need to add one right at the beginning...." The first commandment has always been pretty clear about the existence of other gods, in my mind.
@@upstream1942 Jesus said that (satan) "he is the god (little "g") of this world", Cor. 4:4. The Bible truly does not contradict- people don't know how to read it properly. Still learning- thank God Almighty. Praying.
Back then no religion had the power or the right to say your gods don't exist, but they could claim your gods are weaker than mine especially in his lands. This is why we see a lot of merging of deities in the late year. People were a lot more accepting of other gods mainly because gods weren't The One god( "true" ,omnipotent and omnipresent )
I really love non-canonical bit's of the bible my favorite being the Gospel of Judas because it almost feels like it could be something written by Kafka. The entire thing feels like a fever dream and I fucking love it. It also corroborates the idea that Yahweh was the son of another entity. I'm not Christian anymore but Christian mythology (actually all mythology) is so cool! I love reading its stories and the types of fiction they inspire.
LameDoodler Agreed. It’s really cool if you apply it to your life in moderation or look at is as fiction but the moment you take it to an extreme it’s bad. Violence in the name of any god is about as logical as violence in the name of Harry Potter. It’s unfortunate that people can be manipulated to that point.
The thing I like from Islam is their acceptance of the esoteric and mystic lore. Popular Christianity seems to focus too much on Jesus and New Testaments, discarding the mystic lore that precedes them.
I really Appreciate taking the time for research and really looking at it through impartial eyes. I am a christian myself, and am grateful of having intelligent discussion even with different conclusions. Thanks Tray! Keep it up.
Without really studying or concentrating, I object to 2 references here: after Canaan was explored by the 12 spies, all but 1 were said to have been deceptive, so their reference to giants or nephilim may have been highly exaggerated. Again in Genesis, the deceptive serpent is the one who said "like the gods", so again, can that even be referenced?
"Giant, violent, dinosaur-fighting humanoids"? Ooh, I like that version! Of course, the real version (ie, the Nephilim are just demigods in a proto-Jewish context) is pretty cool too. But the best version would be to combine them. Think about it-Hercules, Gilgamesh, and Moses beating up hordes of angry velociraptors and rabid stegosaurs. How could that _not_ be awesome?
@@Potato-Eye I'm sorry, you see someone talk about having demigods beat up dinosaurs and your response is "Those species of dinosaurs didn't live at the same time as each other"? Hercules didn't live at the same time as _anything,_ Mesozoic chronology is the least of this premise's historical inaccuracies!
This is enormously and thoroughly researched. I am glad you credit scholars in the field as adding to your proposals here --and your proposals should be given equal standing. Your suggestions are very neutral and observational, which is a credit to your honesty in process. This video has resolved some of the inconsistencies offered by other authors, further illuminating the issues. This video and research should be considered one of your finest contributions to the subject. I have not viewed all your work but I hope to see more of this clarity and high quality.
Esk 56, in angel and in fallen angel vocabulary there is a being called 'The Word,, it is their name for who we call Jesus Christ. They call Him that because He got to say the creation words when Ya and He created the heavens and our earth. That explains the 'we' of creation. Also They together formed the strange plan to save you from your certain death for sin. Jesus volunteered to be your Messiah.
Okay, I’m typing these as I listen: 1. Nephilim CAN be translated as “fallen ones”, but most biblical scholars agree that it’s application in a scripture is always “giant”. 2. The “Documentary Hypothesis” has been widely debunked by a multitude of biblical scholars. It’s pretty bogus. The textual differences are not that different enough to determine multiple authors. 3. When he says that Nephilim ate people, that shows he’s using a lot of extra biblical sources. That’s not in scripture. 4. He says the Septuagint used the word “Nephilim”, which he describes as “might fallen warriors”. However, the Greek text in the Septuagint uses the word “γιγάντων” (pronounced: “gig-ahn-tone”) which literally means giant. So, even if it is the Nephilim being referenced, it’s not in the manner that he uses it. Along with this, the Septuagint, though older, is widely considered unreliable in comparison to the newer Hebrew texts because of the translational barrier. Translating through 2 languages muddles everything even more than translating through 1. 5. The verse is not referring to sheol as a good place, as an “Elysium”. It’s a bad place. It’s bad to be laying with the giants because they were enemies of God. 6. Minute 14:46 - Almost nothing on this screen is based on fact, only on pure speculation and misinformation. The Nephilim were not revered and respected, but feared as evil. According to biblical sources, they are not legendary. They were there AT the time of the flood, not way before. There is not association with heroic death, even if ezekiel is referring to Nephilim, it’s in a negative sense with no honor. And then being the offspring of Angels is speculation. 7. Although “Elohim” is a plural noun, Hebrew isn’t that simple. Nouns are tied to their verb, and the verb can ultimately dictate the pluralism/singularity of a noun. Here (and everywhere else the verses are talking about the Hebrew God), it is linked with a singular verb, so, “sons fo God” is the proper translation, not “gods”. 8. He makes some wild mental gymnastics to get to the conclusion that YHWH is an apportioned Canaanite God. He also misses the point that the “70 sons of god” thing was created AFTER the events of the Noah, well after the first interactions with God. Ergo, it’s more likely that the 3 sons (Shem, Han, Japheth) had these 70 children, and them and their children butchered the understanding of the Judaic God, replacing “Elohim” with the Canaanite “El” and glorified themselves as 70 “gods”. He has the origin of the story right. But since he had the order wrong, it throws off his whole concept. 9. He says that the original meaning of the text points to polytheistic gods, however, this is clearly untrue given points 1-8 . The original meaning is not polytheistic in any, way, shape, or form. Feel free to pushback.
Not many will see this comment, but yes, people will and have swallowed it with all its flaws. Thank you for your valuable feedback, I learned a few things. Where do I go for more? Do you have a channel? Or a suggestion?
I'm glad you wrote this all... I am working on my Doctorate in Biblical Theology and had many of the same objections in my mind pop up that you did. Especially points 7-9.
The documentary hypothesis *has not* been debunked, not even close. I'm not even sure where you would get such an idea, besides listening to fundies out there who have no evidence whatsoever to make such a claim (and most of which have no credentials or real education). The vast majority of scholars accept the documentary hypothesis as at least a starting point for understanding Scripture and how it was created. Your latter comments about YHWH betray an intense ignorance for ancient near eastern history and context. Yet, even laymen can read the Bible and see polytheistic tendencies: you'd have to be willfully blind or indoctrinated not to see it. Overall, it feels like this video triggered you into protecting your faith of certainty, and that's where we get this fountain of fundamentalist denials of basic historical facts. Do yourself a favor and drop the act. You might learn something.
@@chriswilson7411 Because that's what you were taught? I was taught the same objections to this, and to many other, problems that scholars have discovered.
Thanks! I really like reading/watching Bible studies that have a somewhat critical and investigative approach to the Bible. I find that most christian bible studies are a little too naive and tend to not try to question or be critical of the text as it is against the belief of biblical inerrancy. When difficult questions and interpretations arise I find that most Christians play word-salad with it or don't bother to address it
The reconciliation of the confusion is by understandng the meaning of the word translated as "one". In Hebrew, there are two words that are translated as "one". They are echad and yachid. Yachid does indicate an absolute unity, but is not applied to God in the Shema. The other, echad, is applied to God in the Shema. Hear oh Israel, The Lord, Our God, The Lord is echad. Echad connotes a complex unity, not an absolute unity. It is used to describe the echad cluster of grapes brought back by the spies. Another use of echad is in the passage that a man shall leave his mother and father and be joined to his wife, and the two shall be one {echad} flesh. Complex unity. . When applied to God it has a really different meaning. Jesus described the relationship that He had with the Father as being One. He was not claiming a yachid relationship, because that would mean He was the Father. He was telling of an echad relationship, a complex unity. He describes that relationship in this passage: . Joh 17:20 ¶ Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. . Jesus describes the oneness relationship "they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee," is the oneness He shared with the Father. Jesus dwelling in the Father, and the Father dwelling in Jesus. That is what the Shema was saying. A spiritual union where Jesus and the Father share in Jesus' body as their mutual dwelling place. . It is not a hard concept to understand. We understand demonic possession where a demon lives inside of a "host". Oneness with the Father is the same principle.,God the Father sharing our body as we "host" His Spirit.
@@urittiru3601 You are wrong. Echad means a complex unity of one. Yachid means just 1. Ge 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one (echad) flesh. The word is echad, not yachid. Do they become the same person? Do they melt together and mix up like jello and pudding? Use your brain.
@@urittiru3601 And you would be wrong. God is not one in the sense of a singularity. He is a complex being, where He is joined in the Spirit with His people. How else can you understand "Let us make man in OUR image"? You can't. If a person can be possessed by a demon, but God cannot do that, then the demons are greater in abilities than is the creator. I hope you like hot -- real HOT hot.
I have also read that Elohim can also be interpreted as "divine being", or simply a generic term for a being that primarily exists, or came from the supernatural realm. Now, according to the Bible, and other Mesopotamian texts, the supernatural realm has a definite hierarchy. But from a human (physical) perspective, a being that manifests itself with great power and ability and doesn't normally exist in the physical can be given a generic term like "Elohim". It is much like how we give generic terms to things like 'car', but there is wide variances in what that can actually be. But it is important to know that there is a "Most High God" or a supreme God (big G). All other divine beings and humans, are under his authority.
Eric Keenan yeah Elohim can be attributed to things that are not God Almighty, but thag which represents God, like another divine being (angel), or even a human judge.
When you mentioned that it was actually lesser gods who were impregnating human women to create nephilim, I realised that sounded pretty familiar. In particular the story of Yahweh impregnating Mary which would make Jesus a nephilim and Yahweh's choice of using a woman to have his son seems less out of the ordinary for the mythology that the bible comes from.
The hell you talking about,First of all that nevered happen,Okay. and those "lesser gods" Were fallen angels kicked out or left to have sex with humans and now look what happens next,fucking giant cannibal creatures with some times sword and shields eating people cutting down trees and fucking the earth and corrupting humanity until the flood happened. Just read the bible and the book of enoch,Do research at least
@Strange Vision Except that Jesus is not just the Son of God, but another person of the Triune God. He isn't a separate being from God the Father, whereas the nephilim were certainly separate beings from their divine fathers. Also, Mary could not have had sexual intercourse or else it would not have been a _virgin_ birth. The Bible just says that the Spirit of God came upon her, so Jesus' conception must have been miraculous rather than sexual.
I always just thought of the nephilim as being half human and half deimon, I never saw the giant thing as being literally, but describing their great gifts and power.
"Heroes of of old & warriors of renoun" (Gen'6:4 says) so they were tougth. When Jeremiah sent his pre-attack spies into one of the hybrid bloodline cities that God told him to "destroy all & leave nothing alive" & where scripture tells "they mixed their seed with the seed of man & with the seed of animals" (celebrity uber-atheists Hitchens & Richard Dawkins both love to rip God's instruction of "Let nothing in the city live" out of it's original context to then accuse God of being a "Mad genocidal homicidal maniac") ...the spies came back saying, (paraphrased) 'We ain't got a chance, they're huge" & accurately "We are as grasshoppers to them & they look upon us as grasshoppers to themselves" Gigantis was a Latin translation & "Fallen ones" was in English tho some Hebrew words have no direct translation in English unless a sentence or 2 is used. "There were giants in those days & afterwards" it says in Genesis at & refering to just before the flood. So i've always thought Nephilim & their offspring were much bigger, but scripture gives the cubit height of Goliath from the Rathieme (sp?) of the 4 hybrid bloodlines & he was big, but wasn't an enormouse 4-tree+ hight giant as i"ve seen some tube-vids depict other giants as being. G'day
Hey guys! I'm so happy a lot of you enjoyed this video!
Thanks for messaging me about this minor correction, I know my knowledge of Hebrew grammar is a bit lacking.
My handling of the name "elohim" was a little bit off because the word's usage in the Hebrew bible grammatically is rather strange and inconsistent. In Hebrew, the ending -im (as in elohim) normally indicates a masculine plural; however the word elohim is used in the Bible associated with interchangeably plural and singular adjectives and verbs. For instance in Genesis 1:1 the verbs and adjectives are singular despite elohim at it's root meaning denoting a plural "gods" instead of "God" (so my translation of Genesis 1:1 that I gave in the video isn't 100% correct, but then again the text is a little weird too). There are other instances in which elohim has plural verbs and adjectives as its root would imply. The plural interpretation of Genesis 1:1 I think is strengthened despite the singular verbs and nouns used by the fact the Genesis Elohim refers to itself in the plural at times like Genesis 1:26 "Then God said, “Let *us* make mankind in *our* image, in *our* likeness..."
It's all a bit odd, but I think again somewhat supports the idea that the existence of other gods wasn't denied within the original biblical canon/religion of the Hebrew authors with the inconsistent usages of "elohim" suggesting a remnant of an older age. Looking back I wish I took a deeper and more thorough dive at the grammar and stuff in this video but odds are it would have turned out even longer.
I'll likely make a minor correction video including some small corrections like this. Regardless, I think the main interpretation of the Nephilim and Sons of God(s) I presented in the video should stay relatively the same.
Give us more polytheism in the Bible and ancient religion videos!
So yahweh had a coup and got rid of the other gods,
And according to Christian doctrine other gods are actually demons or Satan
And demons and Satan are said to have had a rebellion against God
Jonah Epstein I believe you might actually be right, Genesis 6:1-4 might be J and not P. I think I might have misspoke if that’s the case. Thanks for bring this to my attention, I’ll review my sources a second time and if so I’ll add it to the correction video.
I was surprised you didn't mention the ten commandments that said, "Thou shall put no other Gods before me." I have always felt that made it obvious there are other Gods.
@Jonah Epstein Yeah I double checked and I believe you're right, Genesis 6:1-4 is believed to have been written by the J source and not P. My bad, I assumed it was P because of the usage of "elohim" in the sons of god(s) phrase. I emailed Professor John Day and he can maybe clarify it for me too to double check
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- All gods but Yahweh nerfed
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Quincy Archer I wanna be Asherah. Im already asherah. What about Zeus? Im already zeus. I’ll be Yahweh. NERF yahweh. Your Syn. I wanna be Syn. I guess ill be Lada. Im already Lada. I’ll be Odin. I already choose Odin.
I’d be up for a Tier Zoo applied to mythologies.
Overweight Grandma No, hes saying that early Judaism was not “hard” monotheistic, that they didnt reject the existence of other gods just but that they only worshiped one.
Randomguy 220 this. Early jewdism was more about having a patron god for the Jewish people more than declaring all other gods false. Some believe that YHWH was originally a household god that then developed into a more monolithic entity over time.
Zatchooze Naut Don’t get me wrong, I think the concept of a singular omnipotent and omniscient God is a lot more intriguing and unique than the common pantheon where “there’s a number of Gods that govern different attributes of nature but are neither all knowing or immeasurably powerful”, since it more directly raises metaphysical questions on the nature of reality and morality. However, from what I know a leading anthropological theory on the Early Jews was that YWHW was originally a more personal patron deity and the theologically consensus changed to the universal deity early on.
I've learnt more about the Bible and it's stories from skeptics and atheists than I have in my years of church service.
Same here
Same. Baptized as a newborn and I’ve never even heard of nephlims.
me too. learned more from this video than the answer provided by church years ago when i was a naive college student
I've learned more about the Bible by reading occult texts lmao. Interesting stuff to delve into.
Big ol facts🤓
I thought this video was on how to deal with Nephilim. I've got a real problem out here
Love it. Clever lol
Jesus said, "As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be at the coming of the son of man".
So you best save your cynicism.
@Jicari Hickory Hill did you not listen to the video?
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Name of Jesus helped me
We can deal with spirits, but the nephilim in physical form are powerful. You need to be strong in prayer and it if it end times they win. God promised them their time. th-cam.com/video/4ur64t9cH8k/w-d-xo.html my video explaining them
As a kid i thought nephilim, leviathan, and bohemoths would be a lot bigger of a problem in my life
Me, too. And chupacabras also.
@cantfindmykeys Do you live in Mexico or the southeast? Cause if not then they shouldn't be too much of a worry for you 🤣
@@murderouscow if you are you also got la llorona to worry about it
@@ganger9 hey! Theres still time for all that to change...never know....
Sometimes it gets a little too quite during a wonderful sunset ...and my paranoid mind needs to imagine a chorus of trumpets screaming through the sky -.-
I'm an adult and I'm still not gonna rule out running into Bigfoot in my part of the world
God loves all of his creations unless he decides to retcon you.
😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
*This video is full of errors* and his own opinions, it's not near the truth and not scientific at all. *Inspired Philosophy* has a video on that subject, make sure to read it and *stop the misinformation.*
@@christaime9812 may you please explain what he got wrong
@Danilo Alves can you tell the name of the video
@@knighty6y744 This is the name of the video. Make sure to check it.
" 4. The Reliability of the New Testament (Authorship & Dating) " by Inspiring Philosophy
The Nephilim were the ancient Chads who worked out extensively.
The virgin son of Adam vs the CHAD giant
@@lavenderscare4995 we all do
falsa chads will be still around
Imagine all the ancient stacys they fucked
In ancient times the Stacys were targeted by gods and angels alike
Things are gearing up in the Bible fandom
@@AEON. why?
@@jwjakloaaj7942 if a nephilim girl wanted to hook up with you, would you not take that opportunity?
i'd say yes in a heartbeat, that kind of mystique and power is alluring
@@jackrutledgegoembel5896 but wouldn't she be huge like a giant though she probably would squish you.
Jwj a Kloaaj ok but also like ? might be a bad idea to reject a giant warrior woman
@@jwjakloaaj7942 death by snuu snuu
I am 67 yrs old and have never been taught in depth about the Nephilim. Thank you, Trey for sharing this withus! 🤗
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Glad to hear that this video was their introduction to Nephilim.
The book of Enoch has a lot of info
Actually the author tried but he left out a lot of stuff, he is not versed on the subject maybe this will help you
The nephilims are found throughout the entire Bible, you went to numbers 1333, you said after they roam the desert for 40 years they went there, when they actually went there and were scared and God commanded Moses to carry them to the desert for 40 years until all those who murmured had their carcasses laying waste in the desert.
40 years later God brings them back to the land of Canaan after they already killed the Giants on the other side of the river
see Deuteronomy 2 10¶The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims;
11Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.
12The Horims also dwelt in Seir beforetime; but the children of Esau succeeded them, when they had destroyed them from before them, and dwelt in their stead; as Israel did unto the land of his possession, which the LORD gave unto them.
13¶Now rise up, said I, and get you over the brook Zered. And we went over the brook Zered.
14And the space in which we came from Kadeshbarnea, until we were come over the brook Zered, was thirty and eight years; until all the generation of the men of war were wasted out from among the host, as the LORD sware unto them.
15For indeed the hand of the LORD was against them, to destroy them from among the host, until they were consumed.
16¶So it came to pass, when all the men of war were consumed and dead from among the people,
And also Deuteronomy 2:20¶(That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;
21A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead:
22As he did to the children of Esau, which dwelt in Seir, when he destroyed the Horims from before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead even unto this day:
23And the Avims which dwelt in Hazerim, even unto Azzah, the Caphtorims, which came forth out of Caphtor, destroyed them, and dwelt in their stead.)
Every bit of the book is based on God using Israel or the children of Adam to remove the Nephilim which are actually the children of the angels from Genesis 3:15...
You said you weren't sure what size they were that it does not tell you, when actually it does in several places give indication of the enormous statute of these mixes of humans and angels.. here's a reference to King OG and his bed and his height, you can still go visit his bed today in the
Ammonitecity of Rabbah.as they still have it on display...
Deuteronomy 311¶For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.
12¶And this land, which we possessed at that time, from Aroer, which is by the river Arnon, and half mount Gilead, and the cities thereof, gave I unto the Reubenites and to the Gadites.
13And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called the land of giants.
14Jair the son of Manasseh took all the country of Argob unto the coasts of Geshuri and Maachathi; and called them after his own name, Bashanhavothjair, unto this day.
Then I almost forgot, you didn't even know the Giants came from Canaan which is why they were in the land of Canaan which is also known as The Land of the Giants..
Now Deuteronomy 7:1 is 40 years later Israel comes back to the land of Canaan where God commands them to kill all the women the men and the children of the Nephilim which are also known as The Seven Nations of the Canaanites..
You also stated you didn't know how the Nephilim made it through the flood, well that's found in Genesis chapter 9, Canaan was a Nephilim who repopulates the Nephilim After the flood..
The 11 nations of Canaan..
When you look at God commanding israel, he is specifically commanding them to kill the women the men and the children of this specific race of Nephilim..
Here it is again in
2 Samuel 21 now notice in these passages it describes things like the nephilims spear being as big as a Weaver's being weighing so many shekels of brass, these things give you an idea of the sheer strength and power of these people, it also refers to them as having six fingers and six toes, there's also been archaeological excavations of large Cranium with double rows of teeth as well..
These are the brothers of Goliath..
2 Samuel 2115¶Moreover the Philistines had yet war again with Israel; and David went down, and his servants with him, and fought against the Philistines: and David waxed faint.
16And Ishbibenob, which was of the sons of the giant, the weight of whose spear weighed three hundred shekels of brass in weight, he being girded with a new sword, thought to have slain David.
17But Abishai the son of Zeruiah succoured him, and smote the Philistine, and killed him. Then the men of David sware unto him, saying, Thou shalt go no more out with us to battle, that thou quench not the light of Israel.
18¶And it came to pass after this, that there was again a battle with the Philistines at Gob: then Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Saph, which was of the sons of the giant.
19And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.
20¶And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.
21And when he defied Israel, Jonathan the son of Shimea the brother of David slew him.
22¶These four were born to the giant in Gath, and fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.
Now what is emerging from the biblical context, is that the children of Israel actually mixed with the Nephilim see Judges chapter 3, the Seven Nations become around 18 nations of this mixed creation..
This is why at the end of the book the prophecy States Israel would be as many as the sand of the sea but only a Remnant would receive the promise, because only the remnant were actually the children of israel, the rest were the children of the wicked one the synagogue of Satan, the Tares.......
The same two seeds from Genesis 3:15, were then called in to judgment in Matthew 13:38.
What it shows is the religious community is actually guilty of replacement theology, they've hijacked someone's ancient book concerning their bloodline Covenant
@@jarrodpritchard1320 I believe the first Epic of the Book of Enoch is the only one that's authentically found with the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1947, it's actually called The Book of the Giants,
How people imagined "living" 3000 years ago: Temples, Pharaohs etc.
How it *really* was: *Attack on Titan theme starts playing*
thanks, god.
They really downplayed the story in church ngl 👀
😂
I think it's deeper than that....scientists try to portray how stupid and low tech we were to enhance their scientific outlooks of evolution when in fact we we have been devolving hence the fact that we couldn't even translate anything till we found the rosetta stone that a historian found utilizing biblical geology.... they always forget to mention that we were advanced in organic chemistry/cold fusion which we know exists but fail to achieve currently....we still can't even blend genes from other species efficiently yet back then they could...
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How to get from polytheism to monotheism:
1. All our Gods exist
2. I prefer one of all of our Gods
3. My God is better than yours
4. Your God is so weak it doesn't even exist
5. My God is the only God
I believe that all gods are real but each are the representation of a one true Powerful Being, like the Roman Emperor Julian Believes, that we are worshiping that one true being in different ways.
@@mahogany7712 why
@LameDoodler I thought pantheism means universe = God
All God's are probably the same God just seen from different viewpoints because a tribal God will be seen differently in behaviour to a suburban kid in the US's God's behaviour
@Crusted flakes you believe in Adam and Eve
What if the Nephilim was the friends we made along the way?
Dude 😂😂😂😂
@nintenx123
Finally someone with a sense of humor😆😂👌
are you Cain?
This man said please daddy fill me with ur alien sperm so i can become a fish human hybrid.
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in the bronze age of the mediterranean, all of the city states and nations had a patron deity. anu, yahweh, marduk, ashur, athena, artemis, etc. most of them even had a physical idol which was regarded as being literally their god or their primary connection to their god, and they would capture and ransom these idols
This applies to all bronze age middle east
Hell it applies to most humans some even today
Hinduism is a prime example
reminds me of relics in age of empires lol
Yep, one of my favorites is when the Assyrians steal the God of the Urartians (modern Armenia) out of its temple and they went to war and got it back, only for the Assyrians to return years later and steal it again and this time burn down the temple. This had to be such a common occurrence back then that I wonder if cities had any type of protocol they followed once they realized it was gone.
That business of stealing other people's gods went on throughout the European age of imperialism. Idols were seized from Africa, Asia, America and Oceania and brought back to be displayed in museums in London, Paris, Berlin, etc.
In the USSR they were taken from churches and monasteries to museums, to which the faithful still go to venerate them. For some reason we don't display busts of Hitler in museums, but there is talk of doing that for slave-owners and Confederate generals.
Flag taken!
Flag dropped...
They’re just *Barn Owls*
Barn Owls are Baskin Sharks !
the joke is soo old now
T-rex Tamer it’s still relevant because it’s such a niche joke just for fans of this channel
@@Ferril21 Are Baskin Sharks from the same area as Baskin Robbins?
Heh, the comment above u is of Franz Joseph Ferdinand.
I that the Canaanite religion was just a hodge-podge Smash Bros version of everyone else'd highest diety
Oh dang it’s alternate history. Awesome
Nice.
Lol "ABRAHAM STORMS INTO BATTLE"
"SATAN DECEIVES INTO VICTORY"
Surely all religions are that, to a greater or lesser extent?
@@olivercopeland5438 Asmodeus migrates into conflict.
In Hebrew, when we say happy birthday we also say "ad 120" meaning "may you live till 120" (kindof)
I somehow never knew that verse so I just it was just a may you live to grow old blessing, but apparently it's just a reminder of our expiration date
EXCEPT for that one lady who lived till 121
You can live to 480 years if you were born in a leap year, february 29th
@@shinhook2k280 how so?
@@mushyomens6885 its your birthday only every 4 years B)
with how im going with my life id be dead before 20
As a Christian, I really appreciate how you treated the material with total respect while exploring the historical and literary context! Thank you for this very interesting video!
This shit makes sense to you?!?!? This is sensible? Plausible?
@@craigstuckey319 Not sure what you mean by “this shit”. I recognize that the Bible is not perfect and that certain things, like the “sons of gods” in this video, are a result of cultural influence. But I do believe in its God, who is personal, loving, and all-powerful, His son/aspect Jesus who came to save the world with love and sacrifice, and His aspect the Holy Spirit who leads us in our daily lives.
i pray that the christian satan may save your soul. im sorry, but its all made up. time to grow up.
@@mildlymarvelouslmao. Yikes.
@@MashaRistova Yeah, because different people believing in different things is super wild and unheard of. "Yikes" indeed...
I'm starting to think the bible is one big Dnd campaign
I’m a Christian and I still find this funny 😁
I’d play the *shit* out of that campaign tho
Get a group of prophet clerics and call the party the “A-men”
@Sánchez Machado imagine not realizing the original comment was a joke and blabbering on as of it wasn't 🤦♂️
@Sánchez Machado it's sad how Satan deceived you from not knowing how big can Yahweh schlong get
Isaiah Bakombo you’re speaking to a youth leader buddy. I appreciate it, but you are almost literally preaching to the choir
The book of Enoch is still in the Ethiopian bible.
Both jews and christians from ethiopia still accept it. Early christians derided jews for striking it from canon, yet later christians did the same, likely because of the book of enoch's condemnation of war. Yet canonical books of the bible refer to things in enoch, showing that to the authors it was part of canon.
Whays wrong with it still being in the Ethiopian bible?
Lol, if they are the only ones listening.. all of God's effort was for them.
The Israelites showed Ethiopia Yahweh they were a Gentile nation
The Ethiopian Church is part of the Catholic Church, right? Or is it Eastern Orthodox? I know full well that it ain't Protestant.
@@jeremydavie4484 if i remember correctly they are more of Eastern Orthodox inclination, albeit with their unique traits
One issue I noticed: You mention Gil being from before the flood, but he's clearly from after the flood, because one of the main points of his story is he goes on a journey to seek out the only human left from before the flood which is Utnapishtim. He goes to him and he's like "how do i get some of that sweet immortality you guys had before the flood" and Utna was like "sorry man the gods don't give that shit out anymore but i'll put a quest marker on your map where you can find an herb" and Gil was like "wtf that's in the ocean" and Utna was like "lol yeah glhf"
He says the Book of Giants says Gil is post-flood.
The aspect of the underwater secret fot immortality is also part of the epic of Gilgamesh which would make this funny if it's real
Isn't it that the "Story of Gilgamesh" as we know it which cites those events is post-flood, but the character of Gil himself is pre-flood? Like seeing a movie about Jesus riding a harley and being like "wait doesn't Jesus predate motorbikes?".
@@Kowzorz No I mean like in the story itself, one of the major plot-points is Gil is seeking immortality... and the flood is what wiped out all the immortals, and there's one guy left named Uta-Naphistim who the gods spared which is why Gil is looking for him. But the flood is already considered impossibly ancient by the time the story takes place... in actuality, the flood is like 10,000 BC which was the end of the last ice age and the story takes place in like 3,000ish BC most likely... so the flood was older to Gil than Gil is to us.
@@seranonable Yes I get that. I'm saying that the creation of Gil as a character in the mythos of these people is not concurrent with the Epic you draw those stories from. Gil is a character we have evidence of existing in mythos as far back as an extra 600 years from the earliest part of the Epic's written authorship. And these references made by kings those 600 years before the Epic refer to him as an already known character. "Look at me, I am great. Great enough to be blood related to Gil". Most of the mythology from this time seems to refer to people from the copper age (great men/demigods from a handful of generations before) and their disappearance from the world, leaving fewer demigods, is a result of the flood. This would place the mythological flood event much closer to their age than 10k bc.
I did theology at university and it was taught in a secular context. I absolutely loved studying the history, textual analysis, and source theory, behind the scriptures, and it is so important to study these texts in their original languages too. Far from undermining my faith, my faith was matured by understanding the complexity of the Bible's composition and the diversity of ideas in the library of books which we call the Bible.
It truly is interesting and fascinating, I agree, but it is fiction. I find it hard to believe you actually take the bible as truth, despite all what is known regarding it - and also discussed in this video. You must of broke your back to keep a smile on your face to say you only matured your faith in this book.
@@tyler-qr5jn what a condescending reply lmao. I bet you’re a real dickhead to people cause you think you’re smart.
@@ronswanson7607 no he's right, i too find it almost impossible to believe that he truly believes the bible is real. At best its just legends and poetry.
@@ronswanson7607 I mean the video literally proves that his religion is nothing more than a sham, how could he still be christian without ignoring reality?
@@tyler-qr5jn This might hurt you and Average Alien, but the clergy of mainstream churches, especially Calvinist churches, are expected to spend their four years in seminary studying Hebrew and Greek and learning the Bible in detail. I know a lot of clergy, and they read and interpret (find the meaning in) scripture and it enhances their faith, as it is supposed to do. The Bible does not work as legend or fiction, it makes no sense interpreted that way. The Israelites had a unique epistemology (way of knowing), they wrote down their experiences as theology lessons. This means that their experiences were things that happened to them, because that is what they were learning from. The texts that they had rescued from the destruction of Jerusalem became their scripture. Anything from before the time of Abraham was not particularly monotheistic because Abraham was the first monotheist, so we get references like the ones discussed here.
That is a weird kind of owl, in my opinion
The bashkin owl is the most fascinating animal
This is actually the worst kind of owl, the owl that eats people. The false god.
Hail Giratina The true god
Hail Giratina The true god wait I have seen you in the comment sections before! Ben g Thomas maybe I dunno
Arceus is our true Lord and savior you heathen
Wow. I once had a pastor who said that seminary is often called "cemetary" because there are many who go and study at seminary and lose their faith.
I can see why. It's a little more nuanced than Sunday school.
The quickest way to become a skeptic is to actually study the bible along with its origins.
@@charleshendrick7266 You're damn right.
Even lacking that, if one were to honestly consider the story at face value, we encounter a slew of inconsistencies. If we simply look at the way the stories are approached by the faithful, we see that for every 100 denominations of Christianity, there are 100 different ways of looking at everything from the trinity to the creation myths.
It's a hermeneutic nightmare. And it gets worse if we start with the assumption that an omnipotent, omniscient being is responsible for it.
Why on Earth and the stars above would a being so superior to us in every possible way inspire a story that falls flat to even the most feeble of human critical analysis? Barring outright deception (which is often considered anathema to God) there is no plausible reason why save that the omnipotent, omniscient being itself is somehow flawed. Which is a contradiction, and something that no faithful person would ever entertain.
Because of this, those who question its veracity must be compelled to one simple truth: This book is the work of humanity, unfettered by supernatural or divine intervention. A myth, not unlike the many that came before and after it.
And yet it persists. Taken as immutable truth by the many to their detriment.
Well those people were very weak in the faith because I find many atheist claims about the Bible are very easily refuted and frankly badly researched. He calls nephilim 'sons of God' even though in the Bible, that term refers to the fallen angels (Satan and his demon followers) who slept with mortal women and had children with them called the nephilim. These are not old gods that people stopped believing in, they were the children of the devil and other fallen angels. I would tell your old pastor not to worry about people who go astray as they either will come back if they regain their spark and see the light or if Good sees they can't be saved, keep on their path of disillusion, in my opinion, but you can disagree with me.
@@richardleeskinneriii9640 But there is hope.. Christianity if failing slowly in the west. just much too slowly. What is skeery is Islam is growing. We can only cross our fingers (lol I refuse to pray) that with the internet and all the information it provides now that Islam too will hit a wall and start dying out. Some religions are basically harmless, but the Abrahamic faiths are toxic to the survival of our species.
@@tylersmith3139 Pardon... what exactly are "atheist chains"?? you speak of??
And where did you get your degree in Theology. Why are you here pretending to know things which you can not know? Are you perhaps indulging in an adult beverage while sitting at the keyboard? The point Mr Skinner and I are making is that with knowledge and study one usually realizes it is all BS. Another sad fact is that even after realizing their life's goal with degrees in their particular theology they have no other skills and sometimes trapped in to teaching the BS as truth, all the time feeling like a hypocrite. I use to be a bible thumping Christian myself.. up until I did a considerable amount of study and my eyes opened. Its like being in the Matrix and taking the wrong pill. Gnite.
What I like about this video is it treats the bible like just kinda a fun story to analyse, instead of getting all mad and ranting about how it makes no sense and 'how could people believe this?'
agree. as much as i love a good debate, it is nice to hypothesize and try to understand without bias. it makes it a lot more light-hearted (in my opinion), without trying to appear 'inferior' or argumentative. no disrespect towards any group. very nice
@Andre Marchand Unfortunately, the vocal minority have ruined it for all of us atheists (as with everything.) Most of us don't believe this stuff but don't hate it either. Its just like a christian reading about Greek mythology, we don't believe it but it can be an interesting story regardless.
I find it a shame how defensive a lot of people get when you treat the Bible like any other mythology too be analyzed and interpreted. There’s so much interesting info about so many mythologies from different religions, but Christian mythology isn’t covered much by people unless they treat the situation with the underlying assumption that it’s all true, and then your just called a crazy person. I feel like the Bible should be looked at for what it is and given the same treatment as other religious/mythological text, a book with many authors and many philosophies from throughout history.
@Andre Marchand Here's the thing. I don't look down on theists. And the bible is an interesting book to decode. But the problem is people actually believe it. I don't look down on religios people but I'm not going to respect their beliefs. If you believe these things it actually changes your attitude towards science, and how to treat evidence. Let's be honest. This doest make any sense. Like if I told you there's a giant sentient candy that lives in the LA subway system. No one would say "come on guys, repect his beliefs."
@@martinfernandez882 Yeah but that giant sentient candy makes less sense than God and nobody would actually believe that while billions of people believe in God
It would be really cool if you made a video concerning the development of early Judaism. This was super interesting and it was very surprising to learn about this concept of many gods in the beginnings of Judaism.
I’m not exactly clear where he gets that, because it’s a very central part of our faith that we are monotheistic.
@@otakumangastudios3617 You can do further research on why secular scholars believe that the earliest forms of Judaism were indeed polytheistic! But only if you want to.
@@otakumangastudios3617 Dr. Justin Sledge over on Esoterica has an excellent video on the development of Yahweh and I believe he is a practicing Jew
@@otakumangastudios3617because Yahweh was just one of a pantheon of gods for early Israelites, Baal being one of them. There is a lot of evidence for this if you just do some google searches of academic papers
@otakumangastudios3617 even in the torah, before moshe and even in egypt, the jews were polytheistic. Also, in Kings 2 (i think) the jews strayed to other false gods like ba'al under the evil kings. This is all disregarding the textual progression itself but whatever
I came here to learn about big bois
I got a 25 minute long Bible lesson
Sam Williams to who lmao?????
Sam Williams what xD how?
Ismellprofit 😂😂😂
, it’s more of a Torah lesson
@Sam Williams
How do you know.
We went from talking about amazing warriors to divine genocide in one video. What a wild ride.
It reminds how in DC Comic's universe, All religions are real (even when they contradict each other)
And every deity thinks and says THEY are the First.
It's like that in the Percy Jackson books too, and all the gods of Olympus basically refer to Jehova (God from Jewish, Christian and Catholic religions) as "that guy" and try to avoid him for being a nuisance
@심William A.C. Swift Which book is that in the series?
@@AnyHeroBlake BROTHER!
@@gunnarraiden5400 Okay so I'm filing all of that under "dumbest thing I'll read all year" and leave. Bye
@@gunnarraiden5400 Literally every other religion has done everything you've stated here. You haven't even read the proper bible. Read an older translation and you'll see even God himself thought he was full of shit.
God: Creating man with a foreskin.
God: ''Remove your foreskin.''
God, thousands of years later :''Forget the foreskin stuff.''
Actual God only told Abraham to do that to his sons to show his devotion. Other then that it's a tradition almost every religion at the time did. God never said everyone had to do it lmao
@@obad7633 No, in Genesis 17:9-11, God says that all of Abraham's desendents should do it, not just his sons.
"And God said to Abraham, 'As for you, you shall keep my covenant, you and your offspring after you throughout their generations. This is my covenant which you shall keep, between me and you and your offspring after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised. ...' "
@@brickham2008 that was of that nation that fell in later years God did not mean it to the end of time he literally meant his children and there offspring. Not everyone. He wasn't the only human alive on earth But I understand why you and many other see this poor translation this way. God wanted his word spread even to children not of just Abraham so thefore God would've told him to carry this message to those not of his own blood but God never says that so again my original comment is right.
@@obad7633 He tells Abraham, "you and your offspring after you throughout the generations". I interpret that as all future generations (Abraham's decendents). I'm not sure you reached the conclution that it was only his children's offspring. Most of the bible is ambiguous or difficult to interpret though.
@@brickham2008 that is simply the wording of a modern translation through several other languages. I don't care how you interpret it thats not what God meant. As written by X person.
What I keep hearing is that Zeus banged his way into the territory of entire other pantheons and the early Hebrews had to deal with it.
The devil resemble Pan from Greek Mythology. The devil is sometimes shown with a trident similar to Poseidon also. Jesus walked on water and daughter of either Zeus or Poseidon could make water so they could walk on it. Hermes could heal the sick had a staff with something resembling serpents similar to Moses.
@Mark Smileer I know you don''t care because you seem a bit like a crackpot. But Allah means God in arabic. If you worship ANY god and call them god then you'd say you worship Allah in arabic. Christians who speak arabic pray to God, or in arabic they worship Allah. Like everything you said was super wrong but like that one is just so basic i couldnt' help myself but correct you.
Jeez, it reminded me of the one time I took some theology electives back in my university days. It was really eye opening of how complex the actual background of modern day oversimplified religious principles really are. Keep up the good work. Be it monsters, fossils, or scrolls, your take is always enjoyable and enlightening!
I'm glad you enjoyed your enlightenment. Some people would (probably) consider that as an "evil practice of the *"illuminati"* shkgdgsh"
And it all originates from one, little, innocent barn owl.
Beautiful
oversimplification is the fate of mass religions
Vladimir Lagos thank you so much! I’m happy you enjoyed it :D and I will definitely continue to make more videos about those wide range of subjects ;) It means a lot that you guys appreciate the time and research I put in these things
I agree.. I am no longer part of a "church" Jesus said we are the church. I Ann the church. I love the Apocrypha.. but it also brings the new testament to life. It is all just so amazing how it fits together.
To be honest, this reminds me a bit of a concept I’ve seen in Greek mythology. I forgot if this was from the Hesiod or Iliad, but I remember a passage about how humans are a weaker form I think either made of earth or iron, and that there were previous iterations of humans made of gold or bronze who were taller and lived easier and longer lives.
I suppose this reflects a theme of decay I’ve seen in ancient texts, especially ones created during or soon after the Greek dark ages, which also coincided with a “collapse” (a word I’m using in summary, because the whole topic is a little too complex to go into for a TH-cam comment) of other Mediterranean civilizations. I think it reflects both a nostalgia for an idealized past, in addition to a philosophy that human life is getting worse, hence my use of the word “decay.”
It’s cool to see this theme show up in canonical/noncanonical versions of the Hebrew bible too, if it is what I’m thinking about.
I remember this from the Metamorphosis by Ovid, I think the 'four ages' are mentioned in the beginning, describing the genesis of humans. It's so interesting to see the concept of a sort of 'paradise lost' reappearing in different cultures.
It’s the Iliad. I haven’t read the Hesiod and I am certain I remember reading about the ages of “better” humans which gradually got worse
This actually makes sense scientifically. Increased mutational load, discovered by geneticist H. Muller did find that increased life expectancy allows for certain ailments to propagate and build up.
@@theloweffortchannel7211 I've read an interesting hypothesis about the origin of the "golden age" meme in human mythology: it's a kind of collective memory of the hunter-gatherer phase of our development, just before agriculture became a thing.
Back then, humanity reached a kind of "peak" in their niche. The nomadic tribes were big enough to protect themselves with weaponry, so predators no longer posed a serious threat, but small enough where they didn't rapidly deplete natural resources and got into conflicts with other tribes. They were advanced enough to construct shelters, form social hierarchies, and preserve surplus food to ensure everyone's survival, but they weren't stratified yet, and didn't have enough surplus to cause a population explosion.
Then agriculture happened. It caused there to be lots of surplus, meaning exponential population growth, trade, and people being freed up from subsistence troubles and developing industry. All of this had to be managed, so a ruling class emerged, and since the farmlands couldn't be moved, it led to sedentary settlements. However, since now they were reliant on agriculture, they became much more vulnerable to droughts, floods, and other natural disasters. An earthquake or a strorm makes little difference to a hunter-gatherer tribe, but to settled farmers, destruction of their property and fields are a huge deal. The larger population centers also provided ample grounds for diseases to spread, which previously couldn't reach pandemic levels due to tribes being spread out, and because they were now both competing for arable land and amassing wealth through surplus, invading and plundering others became a viable thing, leading to wars and conflicts on scales never seen before.
So, looking at this from the point of view of a second or third generation farmer, we have this: Today, we have famines, plagues, we have to do back-breaking labor for kings and lords who rule over us, and our neighbors could invade us any day and plunder everything and kill us. Yet, my grandfather told me about different times. Back then, the lands were so plentiful, our ancestors didn't have to farm to survive, and there were no wars, no famines, no plagues, and they were all equal, without any kings or warlords! It was truly a golden age, while we now live in a decaying age.
In other words, reminiscing and mythologizing the "good old days", not realizing they were entirely subjective and more often than not bubbles that can no longer be recreated, was a thing long, looong before the modern day cries about the "lost American dream".
never knew that gilgamesh was directly referenced in a non-canonical book... this is juicy knowledge, thank you sir
teens break uhh... not really. Where would you see the story of Joseph, or Ruth in any other religion?
@@jeremiahduran7238 get off your high horse and celebrate the Pagan holidays of Christmas and Easter 😂😂
@@jeremiahduran7238 nowhere, they're awful 🤠
@@Her_Viscera what are you guys doing this Yule? We decorating the Yule tree in honor of the birth of Christ in December even though he was born in April?
@Babylon falling okay cool. Still wasn't fuckin' December.
I had never heard the term "monolatry," but the idea is plain from Genesis 2. If the author believed in a single, omnipotent god, then the tree and the snake were a dirty trick and the god was a trickster. If however, the author believed his god to be one of many powers, then the tree and the snake were beyond his control, and his disappointment was genuine, his anger more understandable.
Many historians believe that originally Yahweh was one of many gods, likely not even the main one and that the angels were originally other gods of this pantheon that were demoted to spirits when they changed to a monotheistic system.
Like most of human history most of the bible existed only in speech before it was written and then changed to fit that writer's ideals
@LameDoodler sorry I wrote the comment while watching the video, it wasn't in that pary yet
You know, this partial polytheism also explains the second commandment. that's the one about graven images and not worshiping any other gods. Assuming that Yahweh is all knowing, you would be aware if no other gods existed, and it's silly to be jealous of a thing that doesn't exist. But if there were actual other gods that could take his worshippers from him, it makes perfect sense to explicitly ban the worship of them.
It wouldn't have to be "gods" in the literal sense. Imagine the things a fallen angel or their offspring (the Nephilim) could be capable of and how people could perceive them to be "gods" and worship them.
@@brandonjr1985 but if the Bible is the word of god, who knows everything, why would he, who would know they aren't gods, call them gods? Not to mention there's other instances where the old Polytheism sneaks in - in Genesis when god (el) is talking about making the world, they use the plural (elohim). As in "Let us make them in our image." It's very likely that the early Jewish people believed in multiple gods on some level, but that their god Yahweh was better, and over time they lost that belief in other gods. Like "Oh, yeah, Ba'al exists, but he sucks and he's not *our* god."
@@NikkyKicks I think, while it being the word of God, it had to be worded in such a manner that would make the most sense to the people of that time. These things and beings were already refereed to and seen as gods to many, so it would make most sense to call them as such. That doesn't mean in doing so he's equating them to Him, He refers to Himself as the God of gods. Think of Aaron and the golden calf. The people came to him and asked him to make them "gods" to go before them. I don't think they weren't expecting Aaron to literally create a god for them to follow, they just wanted something to worship and call their god. As for the “Let us make man in our image,” I'm honestly not sure yet. I've heard that depending on how the word is used it doesn't necessarily mean it to be plural but I also don't know Hebrew or have studied it enough to say one way or the other. I've also heard it's God/Holy Trinity (the father, son, and holy spirit) and that's why it's worded in "our" image. But I have more research to do before I could really say what I think it means.
@@brandonjr1985 I mean, I'm looking at the Bible from a scholarly perspective, as a text written by humans as a collection of their stories, not as the actual word of a supernatural being. As such, saying the plural refers to the Trinity doesn't make sense because the Christian Old Testament is Jewish in origin - they wouldn't have had the concept of the Trinity. And really, I'd argue the Trinity itself is almost polytheism, similar to how in Hinduism you have Krishna, who is a form of Vishnu - two separate beings who are somehow the same.
Gilbert Farwynd but again, why would a god who is all knowing and therefor aware that those gods aren’t real be so jealous of their worship? This is assuming that worship doesn’t involve anything that the god would call immoral beyond simply not being worship of them, of course. You think they’d have better things to do or command their people than that, like, idk, telling them slavery is wrong instead of telling the, exactly how to keep slaves for instance.
i feel like if you put all the oldest versions of the parts of the bible together you'd get a polytheistic religion
This was the kind of stuff that made me love Judeochristian theology classes in university. I'm not so much interested in whether or not any of it's true. I'm interested in the mythology, philosophy, & history where it can be found -- the insight into people's minds & world from so long ago is what interests me.
I saw your comment and thought you might enjoy my take on the Judeochristian message. My work is informed by a mystical union I had in 1997 and subsequent research. My latest post entitled IT IS GOING TO BE BIBLICAL can be found at www.mysticbeastblog.blogspot.com
Amen Dr zoidberg
Well, it isn't true, and the way people thought reality worked 5,000 years ago turned out to be wrong. It is immensely interesting, but I think it's better to dispense with platitudes toward these archaic authoritarian superstitions that have caused, and continue to cause, the bulk of our needless misery for the sake of people's hopes and dreams. They'll gladly crush another's hopes and dreams over a totally incorrect interpretation of a fragmentary ancient text, but how dare I call that kind of exclusionary elitist pathology what it is. Sorry if you're Christian, I believe religions are a positive evil in the world.
@@SandhillCrane42 Having been an atheist until 1997 I get your sentiment. However, if your mind is open and you have a humble heart you just might appreciate my latest blogpost IT IS GOING TO BE BIBLICAL at www.mysticbeastblog.blogspot.com - No worries of the same old same old if you do check it out.
@@SandhillCrane42 Ahh, I'm gonna guess you're a teenage male who properly became an atheist some time in the last 5 years... Maybe early 20s.
I'm your future.
C'mon Trey you know they are the offspring of barn owls with basking sharks
O Rei do Iêiêiê obviously
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That would be terrifyingly majestic.
This is forbidden
make fun now cause you wont be later!!
Nephilims are ancient aztec vampires. Aka, the Pillar Men.
That actually makes sense
Admiral Cat,
This sounds interesting. Tell me more.
Ey ey ey
Nah there indeed fallen angels that had sex with woman,And crafted an abomination called a nephilim that eats people,cut down trees,and causes chaos.
Araki is the author of the Bible.
So a friend of mine recently convinced me to listen to this podcast that basically tells the entire bible in chronological order. The host of the podcast usually tries to explain the things mentioned. Adam and Eve had another kid and his name was seth, his descendants were known as the sons of god and cain’s descendants were the daughters of men. So the nepheilim might have just been called the fallen because they were the descendants of the “fallen” cain. The translation they used was the standard catholic edition so it might clash with other explanations.
what's the name of the podcast?
What's the name
There is also a podcast called "The Bible for Everyone", very accessible.
But why do their sons got giant?
@@mmmfrogs1779 thanks for the suggestion. listening to it now!
Thumbnail looks strengely bionicle-ish
Pohatu wildin
I like it
Legit thought it was a screen shot from a Transformers movie while I was scrolling.
is was thinking more like Iron Giant-ish
I read the bionicle books like priests read da bible
“Nephilim = The Fallen Ones”
“You mean like “Fallen Angels”?”
“No, as in “I’ve fallen and I can’t get up!”.”
UGNAvalon so they are just really old people who can’t get up? Those poor bastards born too early for Life Alert.
Legendary Warrior status ded.
Laughs in meme lord
Oh.. so the crippled ones.
Nephilim doesn't mean fallen. Or anything close to fallen it's a old language still spoken today.
This is the only video on this subject on YT that is not batshit insane. Well done.
fuckin right
That's because it's just a barn owl
Look up ancient architecture and you will see. Giant stairs and smaller stairs build as an afterthought. Buildings made bigger then they should be for supposed tall people(Meaning more resources used then needed to if it was for normal humans).
@@sashisasj3850 you had to go and ruin it didn't you
Now if only the Smithsonian would try to make sense of this like Trey did, instead of censoring and supposedly destroying nephilim skeletons, thus causing a Streisand effect.
A examination of Enoch would be great! The Nephilim are referenced a good amount.
You completely blew my mind, the fact that it's possible to change an entire religion from a polytheistic to monotheistic because of a miss translation of "Gods" as "God"
That's how religions evolve.
It was probably the other way around: The translation was changed (intentionally or unintentionally) because the perception of the stories changed. Might have been a slow social/political agenda - like making your neighboring nations seem more evil so people don't have a problem fighting them/keeping them out - or simply a result of retelling them again and again.
It is more likely that the older hebrews were poletheistik and later an cult around a God Yahwe split Up.
It isn't a mistranslation. The Israelites weren't politheists because they believed other gods existed. The other gods were inferior to YHWH and were created by him.
There was no evolution, their view was actually really consistent.
EntertainmentNihilist
Henotheism is the belief that there is more than one god, but only one is worshiped.
So I guess the ancient Israelites were henotheists.
And I think that over time, they stopped believing the other gods and became monotheists.
I'd really love more kinds of videos like this. Even if it's long, it's just so in-depth and amazing. It's fascinating to see how foreign religions we're familiar with today were in the past. How even stuff like this evolves...
Yamchachacha
Ironically, the Bible is proof of evolution! :P
Marco Cappelli how so?
@@joejones891
Well, the Bible has changed through the millenia, just like all religious texts do unders certain circumstances. One day you have a polytheistic religion with a god called El, and then (after miniscule changes, one by one) you have a monotheistic one with God, the character of which would of changed from a weather god/air god, to that of an omnipotent being.
You can use languages as another example.
@Soviet who Cuts
I was joking...It was a joke against creationists.
Of course the Bible is not proof of evolution, but the way in which the Bible changed through the millenia is just like the evolution of languages and akin to that of species evolving.
Unlike evolution, the Bible was altered many times _because_ of the selective pressures (political, religious), instead of selective pressures selecting already present changes.
@@marcocappelli2236 Don't forget Punctuated Equilibrium.
This study is a jaw dropper! Thorough, detailed, I felt like I was drinking from a fire hydrant of information, and I thought I had a fairly decent understanding of this subject. You are
“The Explainer Extraordinaire”
Excellent work and presentation!
The sad part is that you can be as thorough as he was with the subject of religion and people will still think you're wrong.
Wait till you learn about the Zoroastrianism and find out it was written 1000 years before the bible and many things are copy paste.....
I know it may be a little late, but the youtuber UsefulCharts has made videos about ancient religion from an analytical view like this too. I think he said he even has a degree in religious studies.
When I first had read and paid attention to what I was reading, in the Bible, I kind of paused for a bit, and suspected that the verse about "men of old" was referring to the likes of Hercules, etc. I mean, there's a phrase about the "sons of god/gods" having children with "daughters of men", and I thought that that sounded a lot like what Zeus did.
So yeah, I chalked up all of that to have been implicitly related, but the Bible has to do by all means to be monotheistic, even though it keeps referring to "other gods" (which I think is weird).
And when I had watched a Supernatural episode, somewhere in Season 5, I saw that they tried to explain the hierarchical structure of the gods, in relation to angels, and God. From then, everything kind of made more sense for me.
But I'll take a look at some Zoro... texts.
@@brookmartin9161 There are something like 1.5 billion English speakers in the world. There are bound to be disagreements.
the thumbnail creature looks like he's about to hit the hardest whip of all time
Think the same every time I see this thumbnail, its why I finally clicked it lmao
So I was doing research on Wikipedia and discovered henotheism, which is the belief that there may be more than one god, but only one of them is worshiped.
So I guess the ancient Jews were henotheists, because they believe in many gods, but only worshiped Yahweh.
So kinda like Zoroastrianism?
Dionisius Dega
Yeah. And many scholars believe that Judaism developed from Zoroastrianism.
Chairman Nudder Budder
Although the Avesta (the Zoroastrian religion text) was written after Judaism formed, scholars believe Zoroastrianism is older then Judaism.
Chairman Nudder Budder
This is because the scholars believe that Zoroastrian was passed down through oral tradition long before Judaism was formed.
Does that also mean Yahweh is also worshipped by Christians, which branched off of Judaism?
this is easily explained.
God = The Immortal God Emperor of Mankind
sons of God = The Primarchs
Nephilim = The Astartes (Space Marines)
oh thanks
what about chapters?
Fucking what?
@@myboy732 he's referring to Warhammer 40k which is a game
@@myboy732 Heretic!
This should be canon! For Holy Terra!
Young man... you again have impressed me. It is sooooooo refreshing to see an in depth look at that earlier stage of Hebrew mythology/religion. I am not sure many people can realize just how much study you had to put in to this and the digging you had to do to sort it all out for us in a rational and unbiased vid. You have me hooked on your vids now. (this being the second I think I have run across). This is so well researched you minor flip/flap over the word Elohim is not really an issue at all.
Thanks again.... You put in to words/vid what about the same conclusion I have had for years actually. You just connected all the dots.
@Ron Maimon I can't argue that interpretation... not being a scholar in Hebrew to English translations. But it seems pretty obvious that at one time the various Hebrew scribes that composed the OT were acknowledging there was more than a single god... in fact perhaps a whole pantheon or council of gods.....including the wife/consort of El.... Asherah... then tried to "write her out" of the scrolls... and archeology in Israel sure seems to confirm her early role... as perhaps even the mother of the 70 sons of El....then later consort to Yahweh. Their religion seemed to mutate/evolve in to monotheism, but evidence seems to indicate that was from pressure from a minority of scribal elites... not actually the beliefs of the "average" Hebrew folk.
@Ron Maimon And another thought... "Elohim" could indeed be somewhat "singular" in the same way that "city council" in our language is also singular but indicates a group.... just my 2 cents.
@Ron Maimon Just curious Ron.... are you just in to the Abrahamic stuff or do you enjoy the human experience /histories of other religions as well?
@Ron Maimon Way over my head there bro. I just enjoy digging around in the origins of religions... more or less as a hobby I guess. Most recent is the early Germanic gods...and slowly learning that in my old age. ..old rune poems and such. Strange how many things totally different religions seem to share such similar themes. Have a good day..... and do stay Covid free!
The God of Israel Is Real.
Believe in His SON +
I’m Jewish and this kind of blew my mind. Really wants to make me do more reading of my own texts!
They made 2 sequels, god is less of a bitter asshat in those but still the same character
@@ELTABULLO only in the gospel. gets pretty bad in the qur'an
@@dokitachi Same bullshit
Someone theorised that the long life could have been a transition from years from months or moons. Eg 930 months is 77 years
Seems realistic
@@detroitfettyghost8492 indeed
Or, due to the flood draining much of the water that was in the air back then, there was less protection from the radioactive forces of the sun, which resulted in shorter lifespans
@@Lthe1 unfortunately, that's not how aging works.
Or, you could try living in a nuclear bunker under a lake to test that hypothesis.
@@tylerdurden3722 no? you mean that more exposure to radiation from space, the sun,etc wouldn't reduce lifespan? interesting, here i thought radiation was bad for us.
I am a Christian who keeps an open mind. I loved this information you shared with us. Thank you.
Question I recommend you try to research if you're willing: Jesus taught according to a 1st Century AD interpretation of the Hebrew texts. Knowing that the original texts were so different as to take on a different meaning altogether, what does this information mean as to the divinity of Jesus and the truth of his teachings beyond that of a mere philosopher? Knowing that satans (plural) were a type of angel (not fallen), what does it mean that the NT claims Jesus was fighting temptation from THE Satan? In short, how can Christianity hold up at all when most of its basic truth claims about the Old Testament don't even remotely resemble texts that existed closer to the birth of the Hebrew faith? I know there are apologetics out there about interpretation, but I've seen very few strong ones that address the older texts.
@@NieroshaiTheSable I'm not Christian, but *most* mainstream Christian denominations hold that the text of the Bible, while Divinely Inspired, was still written by fallible men. On the other hand, Jesus, as one of the Trinity, *is* divine made flesh, and therefore infallible/without sin. In the NT, Jesus himself says that he is trying to save mankind by revealing the true meaning of the laws (i.e. the Torah). Therefore I think most Christians would argue that the teachings of Jesus take precedence over even a quote-unquote "original text" of the OT. Furthermore, the OT histories are littered with instances where the Israelites stray from God's laws and worship foreign deities, make graven images, etc. Most Christians, I think, would argue that any Monolatrous version of the Torah is an example of that kind of straying.
@@Dahras1 Problem then. If Jesus taught as if the events of the OT are true, whether the Commandments require adherence or not (he says at least once they still DO), then discarding the OT makes the NT entirely useless. No original sin, no need for salvation. Disobeying the Commandments isn't a sin? No need for salvation. I promise you Jesus's sole message wasn't "believe I exist and have good intentions for you, and you get to meet my Dad."
I like the metal interpretation that our God killed all the other gods and reigns supreme
@@NieroshaiTheSable I think if you reread my comment, you'll realize that in no way did I imply that the NT has Jesus saying to disregard the OT or the commandments, or that his message was as simple as "I love you all, you're going to see my Dad," or whatever.
There's a world of difference between saying that and saying, "Jesus would have seen a monolatrous reading/version of the Bible as blasphemous and that according to Christians, Jesus is the final word on interpreting the OT."
Look, I get that you find Christian belief preposterous, and that's fine. But acting like the entire belief system can be dismissed because there's evidence that some people at some point saw the religion differently is overstating the case.
Basically this:
Each nation has a god/goddess.
As the nation grew, it took over other nations and thus their patron/matron god/dess falls.
These deities that fell are what comprised of Nephilims.
Israel took the region and Yahweh becomes the last god standing and paved way to monotheism.
wanderingbufoon. Very nice underdtanding of what you have read.
I couldn't agree more...
Odd haven 🤦🏾♂️
And why did God permit those angels to be sent to here?
@The Shaniac Jesus was just the one born on earth to experience life as a mortal human to walk among them... doesn't mean he is an only child, we are all Gods children...
Why did they rebel, and God not KNOW they would rebel, once here?
I'm a nephilim and I must say that all of this is greatly exaggerated. I am not that tall
I know I'm a little late to the party in commenting on this. But I have to say, I have enjoyed these biblical/mythological breakdowns as much as I've enjoyed your prehistory content.
Hook 👃
In the "Book of Enoch", (a fairly standard Hebrew study up unto the time of Jesus) it explains that when angels left their positions, and went to human women, and produced children, God told them he would cause their spirits to be bound to the physical realm (or Earth). So when they died, their spirits continued to persist in and throughout the Earth. This is where evil spirits, that torment the living, originate.
@John Stebner We'll see...
@John Stebner what's your evidence its false?
@John Stebner
Lol you sound like a butt hurt christian upset that your holy book was written by mere men and not as "divinely inspired" as you thought.
John Stebner well it was still written by Hebrew people of the time, so it’s canonical status doesn’t matter as it likely inspired parts of the bible and was inspired by others, it is also a text at the time that allows us to understand more on the origins of their religion
@@CheriZen great answer my friend.
Are you pursuing paleontology, paleobiology, or anthropology in college?
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Please don't apologize for being thorough with your research and in depth with your presentation of it. This was extremely interesting. I thought of one place in the Bible the "editors" missed: the first commandment, which states, "I am the lord thy god .. thou shalt have no other GODS before me."
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Oh my, the perspective this video gave me is very interesting. If taken literally, ignoring all the stuff going on with writers, it seems to me Yaweh murdered his way to the top of the Hebrew pantheon in psalms, after being a comparatively minor god, and that is honestly kind of awesome
John Sanders Psalms 82 definitely suggests if taken literally that the Jewish god straight up killed all the other ones and now is the only god that exists because of it. Reminds me a lot of God of War XD
@@TREYtheExplainer No. YHWH says he *will* put to death the other gods, and the author of the psalm is calling upon him to rise up and reclaim the nations who are still under dominion of the other gods. YHWH can do that because he is head of the council, superior to all the other gods.
Imagine the moment when Moses is challenging the pharaon, at the same time in heaven Yaweh is raging war against the egyptian pantheon.
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That would make an awesome videogame!
a multi-god battle-mode free-for-all: GOD OF GODS. WHO WILL WIN? WHO WILL REIGN SUPREEEEEEEEEEEEME? XD
No, Nephilim are baskin sharks.
Icebergs
Emil Andreasson
Basking barn owl sharks
Baskin robbins farms baskin sharks for milk for their ice cream and we see aliens from the brain freeze.
No this is Patrick
Emil Andreasson wrong , it should be nemophlim , sons of nemo 😬
This guy's channel is amazing, the fact he actually reads all of the books in order to give the most accurate information is true dedication. What a based channel.
Yes, I just discovered his channel. I'm a bit late to the party. But I made it, lol.
He is The Explainer for reason! ❤
the new testament: great story with a dynamic main character and a great ending.
the old testament: published fancfiction from a dead crossover fandom
*so we finna ignore revelations huh*
Eh I think the new testament's main character was a bit of a mary-sue. Plus, that trope is way overdone. It was old when the babylonians did it
@@peaceonearth351 ?????
@@peaceonearth351 what?
Hydra S lol
Obviously they were Transformers that came here from Cybertron.
lol
We had evidence of Non Biological Extraterrestrial
@@admiralcat3809 like what
Practical Bible Studies hahaha
and so it was in ages past, our Lord Prime, descended from the heavens in his sacred arc, to the earth, in modern day California.
Me, clicking the video: Oh, cool, learning about angels or something
Me, after watching the video: *brain exploded in the best way*
Man I was at a Christian rehab (teen Challenge adventure ranch) a couple months ago for about a year and one of the supervisors had autism and he would deep dive into biblical text learning to read Hebrew ancient Hebrew Greek and a few other languages I think. He would teach us words and they’re meaning and context. He had his own theories on these topics. Rosenberg. He was a genius I think. I forgot most of what he taught us. I wish I could talk to him now. I think him explaining the text in context publicly would be very interesting.
Hello, bro. I came across your comment two years later and it is still intriguing. Did you manage to reach out to this colleague of yours? This sounds like it would be an insightful analysis from a person who is obviously well-versed with Christian texts.
I've always wondered why an absolute single god would start off his Ten Commandments with "Thou shalt have no other gods before me". Making this the first and - at least in the mind of the average reader - most important rule to follow, suggests that there is a reason to be afraid of that. But if he was the only "real" god, he would not have much trouble convincing them with his miracles (as fake gods obviously can't work those).
I have always understood that commandment to have other layered meanings regarding idolatry, similar to the classic “you cannot worship/serve both God and money” quote from the Gospels.
That's already covered by the second commandment though.
Yoooo I didn't think about it like that! Interesting interpretation! I personally always thought he literally meant idols and gods from other mythologies, but yeah what if there was more to it than that? Something more ancient and mysterious?
@SKy_the_Thunder
Interesting fact, though, the original commandments were never specifically divided into 10 distinct statements. They were apparently all written together into one monolithic paragraph, and the imagery of the Ten Commandments came when Jews, Catholic Christians, Muslims, and Protestant Christians each summarized that passage of the Old Testament in their own ways.
In the Catholic summarizations, the command against worshipping false gods and building graven images to worship are both considered parts of the 1st commandment. From what I recall, it was mainly the Protestants that split the “graven images” line off into its own commandment, while turning the “shall not covet thy neighbor’s goods” and “shall not covet thy neighbor’s spouse” into the two-parter instead. So it does not seem to be 100% definive whether one absolutely has to interpret the “graven images” phrase as its own separate command, or merely a further clarification on not worshipping false gods.
@@markcobuzzi826 that's really cool! I always forget that the verse and chapter separations often just clerical additions for ease of reading the text. And thank God for them! I can't imagine how are they were to read before those divisions.
“Watered down after the great flood”
Me: I see what you did there
Rugged Rugged Only a clown would be offended by a TH-cam comment - Joseph 3:16
Rugged Rugged you’re a pretty big douche bag for being such an honorary Bible pusher.
@Rugged Rugged You're dumber than your god and that's saying something 🤷♂️
Gilgamesh and Hunbaba in the same book... could this be the missing link that connects Final Fantasy 5 to Final Fantasy 6!? ;0
Humbaba is literally from the Epic of Gilgamesh.
@@Painocus Thaaaaaat's the joke. ;D
That's too funny, i don't know how anyone can take this stuff seriously tho
I'm more interested in how Humbaba _ended._ Now _there's_ a Nephilim story...
I need context
I was raised Pentecostal and anytime I was in church it was always "Jesus this, Jesus that" never really mentioning the old testament even though it was referenced lightly in service ( just never expanded upon) I feel church has sheltered me from the truth of the bible, focusing more on the more 'historically accurate and important' rather than the things that are the reason the bible exists. Its crazy.
It’s nice to see someone discussing Biblical stuff with impartial analysis.
He is not impartial he has a very define agenda!
@@rob5462 What agenda do you think he has?
@@halloikbenXD Turn people away from trust and belief in the Bible
valuelesssky255 Then truth is fake
If there is no God, no moral law giver, where must moral laws come from? Man. In that case, what gives any one man’s opinion, any one man’s truth more validity over any other man’s opinion or truth? After all, we are all equal no matter what you believe. In the evolutionary view, we are all Homo sapiens and in the Bible, equally sinful, equally in need of a Savior, equally created in the image of God. I could pull out several verses from various books in the Bible that clearly state this. So, in the evolutionary stance, all people are equal and all people’s truths are relevant. This is called subjective truth. People that believe in a subjective truth cannot believe in an absolute moral truth. Truth, by definition, is exclusive. Another way to state it is if you believe in subjective truth, you cannot believe in truth at all. Was it right for Hitler to kill the Jews? I don’t think it was but he thought he was right. Which is true? Is it right that women are allowed abortions? I don’t think so, but some people do. Which is true? Does it make any sense that a person will be charged with a double homicide if they kill a pregnant woman, but if she takes the life of the baby in her body she faces no legal consequences? Which is true, the baby inside is alive or not? Subjective truth is based on feelings not absolute truth. Subjective truth has got us to this point: A person that has a penis is, in my opinion, a man. That same person that has a penis can believe they are a woman. Which is true? Enter the transgender. In fact, what does science AND the Bible say that person is? Evolution is a worldview that cannot believe in truth, because in all above mentioned instances but certainly not limited to my examples, one has to be true. This world view is due to the belief there is no God, we are just a random product of chance and life has no meaning. We have no one to answer to but ourselves.
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TH-cam close captioning keeps translating "beings" as "beans", and "Nephilim" is "Netherlands". I'm dying laughing!
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dutch people are the tallest, coincedence i think not
Hey..
Going to turn on the text....That's gotta add sum phun
@@pieterfranke Actually the tallest people are in Africa ( the Nilotes of South Sudan to be more specific ).
Christopher O'Neil it’s allways something new with those guys
As a Christian I find this stuff really interesting bc in the grand scheme of things it doesn’t change my beliefs too much. And when compared to other parts of scripture it offers a lot of interesting insight like the 10 commandments where God says “you shall have no other gods before me” implying maybe other exist but God is the chief god deserving of praise.
Yes, the key here is realizing it little g not big G there is only one God
It also says not to make any graven images/idols- like statues, golden Cafes ect. But there was also Sun & Moon worship & Scripture tells us the the devil is god (little "g") of this world. So basically don't make anything or anyone out to be your God, but the Almighty. 👍
@@geraldpolzinjr9670 what about the arc?? there were 2 images/statues of angels on the arc!
@@michielvdvlies3315 really? I don't remember that, got a scripture to back that claim???
@@geraldpolzinjr9670 Exodus 25:18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.
6:25 Even back in ye olden days, they did JOJO poses
Ayayayayayyy
*THEY SENSED THE PRESENCE OF AN ENEMY STAND*
Everything is a jojo reference
... and you shall know them by their bows.
Nani???
I recently read the Swedish translation of the Bible and I found the Nephilim verse to be interesting:
The giants:
When the Humans now started to become numerous on earth and they bore daughters, the deities saw that the daughters of the humans were beautiful, and the ones they liked the best they took as wives. Then the Lord said: "My life spirit shall not remain in man forever - she is but of flesh. Her lifetime shall be 120 years." At that time - and also later - when the deities slept with the daughters of the humans, there were giants on earth. These were the heroes of ancient times, and their reputation was great.
The word Nephilim is not mentioned in this translation, and their seems to have been "deities" as well.
Användes ordet "jättar" samt "gudomar" menar du?
@@Skelfi Bibel 2000 beskriver dem som gudaväsendena och jättar. Läs:
4På den tiden - och även senare - när gudaväsendena låg med människornas döttrar och fick barn med dem, fanns det jättar på jorden. Detta var urtidens hjältar, och deras rykte var stort.
"Nephilim are pretty big, dinosaurs are also big
WOW THERE LITTERLAY THE SAME THING"~Canned Ham
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Alternate title: Trey struggling to say "Deuteronomy" for 28 minutes straight
That book always sounded like some guy named Ronomy, and people are saying “Due to Romony…”
Hey Trey, everything you posted in this video lines up with everything I've ever researched on the subject. It also clears up a few lines from the Bible, like why Jesus is referred to as Gods "Only Begotten Son" instead of his only son - because God had other sons, they just were not born of woman. Also in Deut 32:40 as God is talking about himself he swears by his greatest attribute - I raise my hand to heaven and declare: as surely as I will live forever I will render vengeance to mine enemies! God's boon is not omnipotence nor omniscience - but his immortality. Also, the Commandments are clear - God is not saying that he is the only god, he is saying that "I am the Lord YOUR God, thou shalt have no other gods before me" - revealing that there are other gods, but according to the covenant, the Israelites are only to worship him. Great video, as always.
It also solves the question that he can be hurt or is unable to hurt those who use iron chariots
" God is not saying that he is the only god, he is saying that 'I am the Lord YOUR God, thou shalt have no other gods before me' - revealing that there are other gods, but according to the covenant, the Israelites are only to worship him." Oh my God! :) That sentence really topples everything we are forcefed today, it is a beautiful revelation of the Truth, and I love it!
Exodus talks about Israelites being swayed by other faiths, so bad that Moses smashed the first copy of the commandments (ancient table flip!). Then he had to go back up the mountain and ask again, how awkward is that? YWHW was like, "It's all good. Apparently, we need to add one right at the beginning...." The first commandment has always been pretty clear about the existence of other gods, in my mind.
Of course the best God wouldn't be someone else's lol of course it would be "your" God.
@@upstream1942 Jesus said that (satan) "he is the god (little "g") of this world", Cor. 4:4. The Bible truly does not contradict- people don't know how to read it properly. Still learning- thank God Almighty. Praying.
Back then no religion had the power or the right to say your gods don't exist, but they could claim your gods are weaker than mine especially in his lands. This is why we see a lot of merging of deities in the late year. People were a lot more accepting of other gods mainly because gods weren't The One god( "true" ,omnipotent and omnipresent )
I really love non-canonical bit's of the bible my favorite being the Gospel of Judas because it almost feels like it could be something written by Kafka. The entire thing feels like a fever dream and I fucking love it. It also corroborates the idea that Yahweh was the son of another entity. I'm not Christian anymore but Christian mythology (actually all mythology) is so cool! I love reading its stories and the types of fiction they inspire.
LameDoodler Agreed. It’s really cool if you apply it to your life in moderation or look at is as fiction but the moment you take it to an extreme it’s bad. Violence in the name of any god is about as logical as violence in the name of Harry Potter. It’s unfortunate that people can be manipulated to that point.
The thing I like from Islam is their acceptance of the esoteric and mystic lore. Popular Christianity seems to focus too much on Jesus and New Testaments, discarding the mystic lore that precedes them.
I feel like you don’t understand Christianity..
@@user-ym5is9zy4b Same as understanding any Fantasy Story e.e
@@user-ym5is9zy4b *dont care.
There's a difference.
Wow, really changed the meaning of “You shall have no other gods before me”
Yea, first time I read it I had a feeling originally it was more like "even if other gods exist, don't revere them as much as Me"
Yea, first time I read it I had a feeling originally it was more like "even if other gods exist, don't revere them as much as Me"
I really Appreciate taking the time for research and really looking at it through impartial eyes.
I am a christian myself, and am grateful of having intelligent discussion even with different conclusions. Thanks Tray! Keep it up.
Good Bible also says to beware of people just like this
@@joshpenley6403 1 Thessalonians 5:21.
Test all things; hold fast what is good.
@@truth7777seeker sword play on point
Without really studying or concentrating, I object to 2 references here: after Canaan was explored by the 12 spies, all but 1 were said to have been deceptive, so their reference to giants or nephilim may have been highly exaggerated. Again in Genesis, the deceptive serpent is the one who said "like the gods", so again, can that even be referenced?
@@truth7777seeker So true.
"Giant, violent, dinosaur-fighting humanoids"? Ooh, I like that version! Of course, the real version (ie, the Nephilim are just demigods in a proto-Jewish context) is pretty cool too.
But the best version would be to combine them. Think about it-Hercules, Gilgamesh, and Moses beating up hordes of angry velociraptors and rabid stegosaurs. How could that _not_ be awesome?
So you like walking giant cannibal eating abominations that eat humans chopped down trees and fucked up the earth?
@@thecoolcarhd4402 Yeah, sounds like a great premise for a fantasy story.
Woldnt happen as these are all over different time periods
someone make a movie/videogame about this
I DEMAND IT
@@Potato-Eye I'm sorry, you see someone talk about having demigods beat up dinosaurs and your response is "Those species of dinosaurs didn't live at the same time as each other"? Hercules didn't live at the same time as _anything,_ Mesozoic chronology is the least of this premise's historical inaccuracies!
Not gonna lie I saw the thumbnail and thought for a second this was a video about Bionicle
I love Bionicle.
This is enormously and thoroughly researched. I am glad you credit scholars in the field as adding to your proposals here --and your proposals should be given equal standing. Your suggestions are very neutral and observational, which is a credit to your honesty in process. This video has resolved some of the inconsistencies offered by other authors, further illuminating the issues. This video and research should be considered one of your finest contributions to the subject. I have not viewed all your work but I hope to see more of this clarity and high quality.
6:26 What's with the literal JoJo poses? (The middle ones are definitely Squalo and Tiziano).
I'm gonna give you my secret ingredient
The Nephilim are clearly Pillar Men.
Kakyoin there on the right.
@@ElongatedVowels Clearly he tempted Eve with his cherry licking skills, and Heirophant Green was the Serpent.
its clearly Wammu, Esidishi and Kars
"Watered-down versions of pre-flood Nephilim..." Lol. Thanks for the share!
Caught that as well... So good...
Does this then help to explain why it says “let us create man in our image”?
Yes.
Esk 56, in angel and in fallen angel vocabulary there is a being called 'The Word,, it is their name for who we call Jesus Christ. They call Him that because He got to say the creation words when Ya and He created the heavens and our earth. That explains the 'we' of creation. Also They together formed the strange plan to save you from your certain death for sin. Jesus volunteered to be your Messiah.
Jesus is with God at creation. Original Greek text references this in John and genesis
No that is referring to the Trinity.
It's talking about the Holy Trinity, who were all present during Creation (Genesis 1:2 and John 1:1).
Okay, I’m typing these as I listen:
1. Nephilim CAN be translated as “fallen ones”, but most biblical scholars agree that it’s application in a scripture is always “giant”.
2. The “Documentary Hypothesis” has been widely debunked by a multitude of biblical scholars. It’s pretty bogus. The textual differences are not that different enough to determine multiple authors.
3. When he says that Nephilim ate people, that shows he’s using a lot of extra biblical sources. That’s not in scripture.
4. He says the Septuagint used the word “Nephilim”, which he describes as “might fallen warriors”. However, the Greek text in the Septuagint uses the word “γιγάντων” (pronounced: “gig-ahn-tone”) which literally means giant. So, even if it is the Nephilim being referenced, it’s not in the manner that he uses it. Along with this, the Septuagint, though older, is widely considered unreliable in comparison to the newer Hebrew texts because of the translational barrier. Translating through 2 languages muddles everything even more than translating through 1.
5. The verse is not referring to sheol as a good place, as an “Elysium”. It’s a bad place. It’s bad to be laying with the giants because they were enemies of God.
6. Minute 14:46 - Almost nothing on this screen is based on fact, only on pure speculation and misinformation. The Nephilim were not revered and respected, but feared as evil. According to biblical sources, they are not legendary. They were there AT the time of the flood, not way before. There is not association with heroic death, even if ezekiel is referring to Nephilim, it’s in a negative sense with no honor. And then being the offspring of Angels is speculation.
7. Although “Elohim” is a plural noun, Hebrew isn’t that simple. Nouns are tied to their verb, and the verb can ultimately dictate the pluralism/singularity of a noun. Here (and everywhere else the verses are talking about the Hebrew God), it is linked with a singular verb, so, “sons fo God” is the proper translation, not “gods”.
8. He makes some wild mental gymnastics to get to the conclusion that YHWH is an apportioned Canaanite God. He also misses the point that the “70 sons of god” thing was created AFTER the events of the Noah, well after the first interactions with God. Ergo, it’s more likely that the 3 sons (Shem, Han, Japheth) had these 70 children, and them and their children butchered the understanding of the Judaic God, replacing “Elohim” with the Canaanite “El” and glorified themselves as 70 “gods”. He has the origin of the story right. But since he had the order wrong, it throws off his whole concept.
9. He says that the original meaning of the text points to polytheistic gods, however, this is clearly untrue given points 1-8 . The original meaning is not polytheistic in any, way, shape, or form.
Feel free to pushback.
Not many will see this comment, but yes, people will and have swallowed it with all its flaws. Thank you for your valuable feedback, I learned a few things. Where do I go for more? Do you have a channel? Or a suggestion?
I'm glad you wrote this all... I am working on my Doctorate in Biblical Theology and had many of the same objections in my mind pop up that you did. Especially points 7-9.
The documentary hypothesis *has not* been debunked, not even close. I'm not even sure where you would get such an idea, besides listening to fundies out there who have no evidence whatsoever to make such a claim (and most of which have no credentials or real education). The vast majority of scholars accept the documentary hypothesis as at least a starting point for understanding Scripture and how it was created. Your latter comments about YHWH betray an intense ignorance for ancient near eastern history and context. Yet, even laymen can read the Bible and see polytheistic tendencies: you'd have to be willfully blind or indoctrinated not to see it. Overall, it feels like this video triggered you into protecting your faith of certainty, and that's where we get this fountain of fundamentalist denials of basic historical facts. Do yourself a favor and drop the act. You might learn something.
@@bluellamaslearnbeyondthele2456 He won't make any recommendations because there are none. Everything he said is his indoctrinated opinion.
@@chriswilson7411 Because that's what you were taught? I was taught the same objections to this, and to many other, problems that scholars have discovered.
why does the title sound like a seinfeld joke
damn this is a funny comment
I wondered why the preceding ad was for Kenny Rogers Roasters! WHAT'S the deal with THAT?!
What's the deal with airline food?
This is the only kind of Bible study I like
Because it is like the lore of a movie universe?
Biased?
True
Thanks! I really like reading/watching Bible studies that have a somewhat critical and investigative approach to the Bible. I find that most christian bible studies are a little too naive and tend to not try to question or be critical of the text as it is against the belief of biblical inerrancy. When difficult questions and interpretations arise I find that most Christians play word-salad with it or don't bother to address it
As an atheist, I agree. I think it's interesting to learn about beliefs people have had. I'd really appreciate similar videos on Norse mythology!
The title sounds like the beginning to a Seinfeld joke
Are they angels? Are they humans?...Whats...the deal?!
Digga Dirt they're barn sharks
I read it as what's the deal with necrophiliacs
I can hear it
I'm rewatching this after a couple of years and, once again, loving it. It's an interesting, interesting set of facts and ideas.
The reconciliation of the confusion is by understandng the meaning of the word translated as "one". In Hebrew, there are two words that are translated as "one". They are echad and yachid. Yachid does indicate an absolute unity, but is not applied to God in the Shema. The other, echad, is applied to God in the Shema. Hear oh Israel, The Lord, Our God, The Lord is echad. Echad connotes a complex unity, not an absolute unity. It is used to describe the echad cluster of grapes brought back by the spies. Another use of echad is in the passage that a man shall leave his mother and father and be joined to his wife, and the two shall be one {echad} flesh. Complex unity.
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When applied to God it has a really different meaning. Jesus described the relationship that He had with the Father as being One. He was not claiming a yachid relationship, because that would mean He was the Father. He was telling of an echad relationship, a complex unity. He describes that relationship in this passage:
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Joh 17:20 ¶ Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
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Jesus describes the oneness relationship "they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee," is the oneness He shared with the Father. Jesus dwelling in the Father, and the Father dwelling in Jesus. That is what the Shema was saying. A spiritual union where Jesus and the Father share in Jesus' body as their mutual dwelling place.
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It is not a hard concept to understand. We understand demonic possession where a demon lives inside of a "host". Oneness with the Father is the same principle.,God the Father sharing our body as we "host" His Spirit.
@@urittiru3601 You are wrong. Echad means a complex unity of one. Yachid means just 1.
Ge 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one (echad) flesh.
The word is echad, not yachid. Do they become the same person? Do they melt together and mix up like jello and pudding? Use your brain.
@@urittiru3601 And you would be wrong. God is not one in the sense of a singularity. He is a complex being, where He is joined in the Spirit with His people. How else can you understand "Let us make man in OUR image"? You can't.
If a person can be possessed by a demon, but God cannot do that, then the demons are greater in abilities than is the creator.
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I have also read that Elohim can also be interpreted as "divine being", or simply a generic term for a being that primarily exists, or came from the supernatural realm. Now, according to the Bible, and other Mesopotamian texts, the supernatural realm has a definite hierarchy. But from a human (physical) perspective, a being that manifests itself with great power and ability and doesn't normally exist in the physical can be given a generic term like "Elohim". It is much like how we give generic terms to things like 'car', but there is wide variances in what that can actually be. But it is important to know that there is a "Most High God" or a supreme God (big G). All other divine beings and humans, are under his authority.
Eric Keenan yeah Elohim can be attributed to things that are not God Almighty, but thag which represents God, like another divine being (angel), or even a human judge.
@@erickeenan7562 And that makes more sense since only 8 humans survived the flood
Anyone else read the title in Jerry Seinfeld's voice?
"What's the deal... WITH THE NEPHILIM!?"
lol
hehehe.... I did after
Who?
@@mjames4709 Jerry Seinfeld
Sven Lindroos thanks. Is he American?
When you mentioned that it was actually lesser gods who were impregnating human women to create nephilim, I realised that sounded pretty familiar. In particular the story of Yahweh impregnating Mary which would make Jesus a nephilim and Yahweh's choice of using a woman to have his son seems less out of the ordinary for the mythology that the bible comes from.
The hell you talking about,First of all that nevered happen,Okay. and those "lesser gods" Were fallen angels kicked out or left to have sex with humans and now look what happens next,fucking giant cannibal creatures with some times sword and shields eating people cutting down trees and fucking the earth and corrupting humanity until the flood happened. Just read the bible and the book of enoch,Do research at least
@@thecoolcarhd4402 did you watch the video?
TheCoolCarhd woah chill! He just said his opinion.
@@thecoolcarhd4402 this entire comment goes against current theoligical views.
Gtfo
@Strange Vision Except that Jesus is not just the Son of God, but another person of the Triune God. He isn't a separate being from God the Father, whereas the nephilim were certainly separate beings from their divine fathers. Also, Mary could not have had sexual intercourse or else it would not have been a _virgin_ birth. The Bible just says that the Spirit of God came upon her, so Jesus' conception must have been miraculous rather than sexual.
I always just thought of the nephilim as being half human and half deimon, I never saw the giant thing as being literally, but describing their great gifts and power.
"Heroes of of old & warriors of renoun" (Gen'6:4 says) so they were tougth.
When Jeremiah sent his pre-attack spies into one of the hybrid bloodline cities that God told him to "destroy all & leave nothing alive" & where scripture tells "they mixed their seed with the seed of man & with the seed of animals" (celebrity uber-atheists Hitchens & Richard Dawkins both love to rip God's instruction of "Let nothing in the city live" out of it's original context to then accuse God of being a "Mad genocidal homicidal maniac") ...the spies came back saying, (paraphrased) 'We ain't got a chance, they're huge" & accurately "We are as grasshoppers to them & they look upon us as grasshoppers to themselves" Gigantis was a Latin translation & "Fallen ones" was in English tho some Hebrew words have no direct translation in English unless a sentence or 2 is used.
"There were giants in those days & afterwards" it says in Genesis at & refering to just before the flood. So i've always thought Nephilim & their offspring were much bigger, but scripture gives the cubit height of Goliath from the Rathieme (sp?) of the 4 hybrid bloodlines & he was big, but wasn't an enormouse 4-tree+ hight giant as i"ve seen some tube-vids depict other giants as being. G'day
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