How to Negotiate a New Motorcycle Purchase

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  • Sorry, TH-cam keeps cutting off the end of the video! It ends with mostly a recap... remember do your homework and go in with 1) an OTD MSRP price and 2) if your financing a monthly payment that ends up at your target MSRP price.
    Here are my top secret negotiation tactics that I use when purchasing a new motorcycle... they also work when buying a car!!
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  • @ggletsplay5041
    @ggletsplay5041 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Lol my line at all car's and motorcycles deals is "Go back and sharpen your pencil and lets get this done. You know what your putting in front of me isn't your best and I know it's not your best. Let's get this done or I am going to go to xyz dealership and get it done with them today." Usually get's me a better price to go around and shop with.

  • @danilopalermo6498
    @danilopalermo6498 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Only thing missing here is that you can always prepay your loan. When I bought my current car, my plan was to buy cash. The dealer said that if I financed, I'd get a $800 manufacturer incentive pushing the price straight down. I took the deal immediately, didn't even ask the interest rate. The following month I took my hardly-saved cash and prepaid the loan in full. Overall I got a $800 incentive minus the $30 or so dollars in interest for the first month of financing... This video is a great introduction, but if you know your numbers in depth you can play a lot around these incentives.

    • @a99miata
      @a99miata 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      some finance companies charge for paying off early...read the fine print.

  • @nr1212
    @nr1212 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I work in sales at a car dealership, my absolute hands-down favorite customers are the ones that come in with a monthly payment as their goal don't do it this way

  • @MapleBar777
    @MapleBar777 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Went shopping for a 2022 Yamaha* Bolt today and walked out of 2 dealerships. They wanted 11,800 OTD for 8,599 MSRP. Full charges on everything. Didn't offer any discounts on anything and they watched me go. Shit is crazy right now.

    • @josephdonzanti7966
      @josephdonzanti7966 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      A year later and it’s the same here in Phoenix

  • @freebehindbars8654
    @freebehindbars8654 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I’ve purchased two new motorcycles, a car and two trucks. I’ve never paid a single fee. Those that wouldn’t budge, I just walked to another dealership that would. You’ll find one, just keep looking, bc not all dealerships are created equal.

  • @Hybrids4meok
    @Hybrids4meok 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    You can't leave the dealership just paying MSRP. You have to pay taxes, license, title and doc fees. Granted ADM fees can be eliminated, but otd pricing at MSRP is wishful thinking unless they discount the bike at suggested price.

    • @burbanpoison2494
      @burbanpoison2494 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      MSRP is between the dealer and the manufacturer. That's not my jam. If you copy and paste the MSRP as your sale price, that's something you decided to do. And if *you* price the bike that *you* are selling at $5000, I expect to pay $5000. Don't explain to me how much it costs to ship your inventory to you, or whatever the hell a "destination fee" is supposed to be for. I literally could not possibly give less of a shit. The "price" is the number of dollars you need to make the sale. It's not the number you think I need to see to get me to talk to you instead of the other guy. It's the number you need to get. If you can't be honest about that, any dealer should expect to waste a lot of his time on walk-outs.

  • @brandonboss6868
    @brandonboss6868 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I learned more on TH-cam than i ever did in college.

    • @CaliMotoTV
      @CaliMotoTV  7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@brandonboss6868 🤣

  • @brandonboss6868
    @brandonboss6868 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Bike for 4700 dollars in fine print, it says not including $500 freight, $250 set up fee. So they're already up to 5,450 without tax, licence, registration.

  • @wolfster2287
    @wolfster2287 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I walked out of a dealership because they up charged a $4000 motorcycle by an additional $2000. Plus, they offered me 18% interest but my credit score was 620 I have never missed a late payment so in short, they tried to screw me. I walked out.

    • @mattjoseph7793
      @mattjoseph7793 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I hate to break it to you but 800+ beacon credit scores right now are seeing 8/9/10% loans right now. It’s a toy. The bank sees it as a higher risk therefore it has a higher apr. As far as +$2,000, sounds pretty standard. Did you even try to negotiate?

    • @windywater5941
      @windywater5941 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I was paying with cash they tried the same thing. Walked out.

  • @tripwheelerton2417
    @tripwheelerton2417 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Used to sell cars and this was great from the looking at the deal from the other side. Only thing I will add is that some dealers will accept the financing deal without actually having a bank backing it up. They will then call the buyer back to sign the actual deal backed by a bank. This is where the points, added costs come from as well. I left my job because when the dealer did this, they were also selling my deal to other sales reps. It was a dealership that had their own auto plaza selling different manufacturers new as well.

    • @CaliMotoTV
      @CaliMotoTV  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Interesting! Thanks for sharing 🙌

    • @tripwheelerton2417
      @tripwheelerton2417 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CaliMotoTV For what it is worth, in california, you don’t have to take the new deal and the dealer will either have to eat the cost or take the hit.

  • @whendashow6935
    @whendashow6935 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So this guy's basic strategy is just, don't pay any tax, don't pay the set up fee, don't pay the freight fee and whatever else just subtract it from the MSRP and dealers usually go for this?

    • @jambam6176
      @jambam6176 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @when da show: It is confusing, but I think he is saying for the cash example that when you look at the sales break down sheet the cost of the bike itself on that line will be $14265.00. then on the other lines on the sheet it will show Tax, Tags etc. Then when adding all the lines up your *out the door price* will be the MSRP minus insentives ($2500.00) = $16499.00... *I think. ;-D*

  • @EdA-dp3nk
    @EdA-dp3nk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    thanks for doing this. its well put together and explain..I'm purchasing my first bike and I will do as you suggested and will come back here and let you know how it work. thanks again

    • @MapleBar777
      @MapleBar777 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      How'd it go?

    • @jr.6199
      @jr.6199 ปีที่แล้ว

      how did it go?

    • @EdA-dp3nk
      @EdA-dp3nk ปีที่แล้ว

      It worked great! I have great credit, so I did as you suggested (did my research) and told them that I wanted 0% interest with no down payment for x amount per month, and I was out in 30 min with a new bike. I'm thinking of getting a second bike. Thanks for such a great video@@jr.6199

  • @357bkg
    @357bkg 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Good luck walking into any dealership saying “subtract the tax & title off the msrp” 🤦‍♂️

  • @ronaldthomas9396
    @ronaldthomas9396 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Please do a reval of how to insure 10 motorcycles or 3 or 4 motorcycles. If I can only ride one at a time the most expensive bike I have should cover them all plus a minimum fee for each addition to my fleet!

  • @firstphoton655
    @firstphoton655 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Try to do this at a BMW morrade dealership lol there is barely any wiggle room

  • @grahamn311
    @grahamn311 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very informative, thanks! I live in a country where not all of these principles apply, but, rule of thumb seems to be universal. Cheers~

  • @greyanaroth
    @greyanaroth 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interesting man. I used to always wonder how these 0% finance schemes worked 😂😂

  • @tallywhacker5137
    @tallywhacker5137 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very informative, thank you for breaking down the whole process

    • @CaliMotoTV
      @CaliMotoTV  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for watching 🙏

  • @stewy62
    @stewy62 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The video ended a bit abruptly but nevertheless lots of good advice. Here in the UK it’s seems that there is more money in selling credit than the motor vehicles themselves, or to put it another way the vehicle is just a way of selling credit 🇬🇧🏍

  • @Ramon51650
    @Ramon51650 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So, Bill; is plunking down a CC after negotiating an OTD price the same as cash? Also, thanks for the reality check about being willing to walk away. I can walk backwards to my local Ducati dealer but they have a history of being sniffy because the city is prosperous. It's not so much brand loyalty as shopping locally so that the guys in the back can continue employed during difficult times. Still, I'm not open to being nickel and dime'd. Thanks for this.

  • @CAT361
    @CAT361 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thank you for the insights, Bill! I have to ask though, how does supply & demand affect an all cash deal? For example, I’m in the market for a new adventure bike that’s difficult to find right now in California...from my research thus far it seems like dealers have all the leverage due to an inventory shortage. When a dealer knows the demand is high and they can always sell to the next guy, is it still realistic to get a deal or even pay MSRP?

    • @ds6224
      @ds6224 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Based on my experience, you will not get a discount on high-demand motorcycles.

    • @kennetheroh4052
      @kennetheroh4052 ปีที่แล้ว

      This was all well and good before the pandemic, but all went away with the supply issues.

    • @jr.6199
      @jr.6199 ปีที่แล้ว

      And now- August 2023 we are back with plenty of inventory at every dealer... Negotiation Time again. You have to be willing to walk and wait...

  • @SpeedShift57
    @SpeedShift57 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good info. Would like to see a similar video when buying used; dealer vs private party sale.

  • @elmoomle4565
    @elmoomle4565 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I never finance, always pay cash and ALWAYS negotiate an 'out the door' number.
    Works for me...the dealer will know how much, and where to 'trim' in order to get me and my new ride 'kicked over the curb'.

  • @onebeammotorcycle8364
    @onebeammotorcycle8364 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi Bill! Does a 2021 motorcycle have any incentives? If not should I walk away from buying it? Thank you

  • @mattdonna9677
    @mattdonna9677 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I prefer buying motorcycles from individuals, NOT dealerships. Better deals and a great variety. Right now there's a glut of good used bikes for sale. My last dealership experience 9 years ago was a lesson of their greed.

  • @captainbuck5969
    @captainbuck5969 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m glad I only pay cash. Save your money and pay cash.

  • @watermelon5661
    @watermelon5661 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Would you still suggest target number as MSRP in September 2021? The dealer today I went to told me that chip shortage cause the otd price when up to 8000 usd for a 5499 bike.

    • @CaliMotoTV
      @CaliMotoTV  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Tbh now it's a sellers market, see if they'll budge and be willing to walk away.

  • @PDM-95
    @PDM-95 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As a noob, I called a salesperson back about a Ninja 650. The guy was trying to tell me that they wouldn't make any concessions for a cash deal. Any suggestions? Just followed up with an email saying I don't want to waste either of our times' by coming in without knowing the "out-the-door" price.

    • @CaliMotoTV
      @CaliMotoTV  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Good call get an OTD price. Cash means nothing these days, most dealers don't want cash because they get kick backs from banks for financing. Also right now is really hard to wheel and deal because of low stock they need to make as much money as they can, if you don't pay the price the next person will. It's a hard world to negotiate in right now.

    • @PDM-95
      @PDM-95 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CaliMotoTV So it sounds like I've got no negotiating power/strength at this point in time? Probably no way to get it for msrp with the taxes and fees waived - as was shown in your example?

  • @chadkline4268
    @chadkline4268 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My dealer is a monopoly in the state, and is demanding $1500 for freight+setup on a $6699 KLR 650. So they are asking $8200 for a MSRP of $6699. Am I just screwed? Should I just wait a few years? Supposedly, demand exceeds supply. I do not finance, I am willing to pay cash. And I could set it up myself. MSRP is the mfr suggested retail price, INCLUDING the freight and setup, not before freight and setup.

    • @CaliMotoTV
      @CaliMotoTV  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Paying cash won't save you a dime. Be willing to walk away if you're not happy with the price offered.

    • @chadkline4268
      @chadkline4268 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CaliMotoTV thanks. I think they are being greedy, so I think I'll just get a bicycle :)

    • @adamanderson8838
      @adamanderson8838 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Walk away. People need to stop the madness of paying these fees.

  • @pureblood5903
    @pureblood5903 ปีที่แล้ว

    Only $295 Adm? My dealer wants $897. The Assembly PDI is $888.
    How do you keep the dealer from using your good credit score and High monthly income to pad their "fee" numbers?
    The dealers website doesn't identify the bike I want just the model, the dealer says its not valid on the trim bike I want.

  • @MJsteelo
    @MJsteelo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video Bill! I just subscribed 👍. I’m interested in a 2020 Moto Guzzi V7 Rough. I found a dealer that has it and I’ll try to implement the techniques you mentioned (I’m in Canada). Here goes nothin’ and thank you so much!!

  • @101Websurfing
    @101Websurfing 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great info Bill! Any plans on getting a Super Duke or ZH2 on the channel?

  • @bzen5917
    @bzen5917 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey teach, is this going to be on the test? And....what was the second thing at the end? Also, when purchasing your new bike, you can often get big discounts on gear and equipment along with your purchase.

  • @mahasidha9
    @mahasidha9 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello We have top tier credit; are you always locked into manufacturer financing meaning if I want a 2024 Yamaha XSR900 the financing will come from Yamaha. In all of our car leases the manufacturer offered the best deals. Our 2024 Mini CooperS actually goes through BMW financing. Is there a best month to buy? December because the dealer is paying interest on the bike and newer 2025 bikes are on the way? Also if we place an order on a 2025 bike shouldn’t the price be less since the dealer is basically functioning as a clerk; writing the order and it gets drop shipped to him; there are no floor stocking fees and interest is not being paid? BTW what brand was the knee sliders on the tank of your MT-09 they looked awesome and I have never seen anything like them anywhere!

  • @HoodTech91
    @HoodTech91 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi thanks for this video, I am looking to get a 2022 can am ryker rally msrp 13499...I live in Florida tax is 7% I am around tier 2 697-700 score how could I go by this with no special rate from manufacturer

  • @JeffNoel
    @JeffNoel ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't understand how people can get 0% financing. In Canada the "promo rate" for Kawasaki is 4.99% over 60 months and it goes up to 7-8-9% for longer financing.
    I got a decent credit score, definitely tier 1.
    I'm trying to understand how the tips in the videos would work out (sorry if I'm slow to understand this stuff).
    Looking for a 2023 ZX-10R, the bike (in Canada) is $21,299 MSRP + $895 destination charges (total $22,194). If I understand correctly, I should haggle so the final price, including taxes, is the MSRP? Which would hover around $18,550?

  • @usernamemykel
    @usernamemykel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Superb.

  • @leandrocintrao67
    @leandrocintrao67 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For cars I just look up the "invoice price" and add 3-5% on top of that

  • @jody1031
    @jody1031 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video Bill! Thanks for the info. Similar to the other comments.... should you expect any discount on current model year? Did you get some discount on the Streetfighter?

  • @MrCcking
    @MrCcking ปีที่แล้ว

    I want a ninja 400 for my first bike. I hope I don’t have to pay way to much

  • @jm4037
    @jm4037 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, could you also do a video on finding the best insurance deals?

    • @greyanaroth
      @greyanaroth 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CaliMotoTV WHAT?

  • @finao8231
    @finao8231 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So For a cash deal, I would minus any incentive from the MSRP and this would be the OTD price, right? So, then I would go ahead and minus doc, freight, color, surcharge, any added equipment and tax/license from the MSRP and that will be my asking price, correct? So, which one should I ask first? OTD or price before tax and license?

    • @finao8231
      @finao8231 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I thought cash deal was ideal!

    • @ds6224
      @ds6224 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      OTD includes cost of the bike plus all taxes and fees and minus discounts, you're not going to be able to subtract, freight doc fees, taxes, licenses from a deal.

  • @ramilocampo9831
    @ramilocampo9831 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    would i be able to get a deal on a streetfighter v4s with how new it is?

  • @Jonathan_Knight
    @Jonathan_Knight 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm looking at a 30k bike and have a trade in I might get 1K for it the dealership is aware of my trade...but they don't know I also have about 5K in cash to put down as well. When do you suggest I tell them about the cash? How do I keep them from screwing me after I do so? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank You.

    • @CaliMotoTV
      @CaliMotoTV  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tbh cash in hand doesn't mean all that much and won't change your financing. Higher down maybe necessary depending on your credit.

    • @Jonathan_Knight
      @Jonathan_Knight 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CaliMotoTV so before they write up the FINAL total tell them out my extra cash? or before the financing search starts.

  • @parchedpixels5804
    @parchedpixels5804 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Corvair regerts? Say it ain’t so!

  • @muse77ful
    @muse77ful ปีที่แล้ว

    Of course they will tell u they pay their mechanic $50 an hour to assemble the motor cycle, and it took 3 days

  • @ds6224
    @ds6224 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bottom line - there is almost no negotiating room on new bikes. You're going to usually pay MSRP unless it's something the dealer is having a hard time moving. You're also going to pay freight and setup fees. It's not like a new car, dealers have almost no room to give discounts and stay in business. If you want a cheaper bike, you'll need to look at the used market.

    • @CaliMotoTV
      @CaliMotoTV  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      👎

    • @ds6224
      @ds6224 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CaliMotoTV I know, truth hurts

    • @adamanderson8838
      @adamanderson8838 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      900 assemble fee for a Tuareg & 1,050 for freight. Doc fee off 500 plus tax & registration costs. Kick rocks!! Greedy maggots