Absolutely stunning! From the video it seems as though the use of CLT panels eliminated the need for bulky interior insulation. Were you able to put the interior paneling directly over the CLT structure without any insulating material between them?
Great questions Drew! We custom made the CLT panels to include the interior paneling as a part of the structure itself. Exhalation can be added if needed for some cold climates. But our HUUM stove take care of the heat for most installs. 🔥🙌🏼☺️
@@CedarandStoneSauna Great video! I was impressed with the construction process, especially how you used a WRB outboard of the CLT in the time-lapse portion. However, I have a concern about potential water damage. I couldn't see any rain screen in the cross-section sample, and it got me wondering if you've considered providing an escape route for moisture. Additionally, I didn't notice any water protection on the interior. The project looks fantastic, but I'd love to hear more about your moisture management strategies! Keep up the good work!
@@danielmease sauna is always a moisture management exercise. The heat and humidity in the room, along with the desire to throw water onto the stones and even bathe while enjoying the sauna make for a lot of challenges to solve. Thanks for noticing the details here. In short, we are both making sure all of those factors are solved for every client from fully drainable floor systems, to semi-permeable weather barriers for moisture management, and we are working with The University of Minnesota wood scientists here to study in depth how the wood and CLT wall perform in all weather applications.
@@CedarandStoneSauna Your meticulous attention to detail and unwavering dedication to constant improvement shine brightly in every response you provide. Your fervent desire to curate extraordinary sauna experiences is both inspiring and commendable, all while upholding an unwavering commitment to maintaining the highest standards of quality and innovation. The intricate art of creating the perfect sauna environment demands a delicate balance of factors including heat, humidity, and potential water exposure. Your steadfast commitment to tackling these complexities for each unique client demonstrates your remarkable determination and expertise. I'm particularly enthralled by the prospect of delving deeper through comprehensive videos that showcase your fully drainable floor systems and semi-permeable weather barriers. These visual presentations are bound to highlight the depth of your dedication to achieving impeccable standards of moisture control. Furthermore, your collaborative efforts with wood scientists from The University of Minnesota to meticulously analyze the performance of wood and CLT walls across diverse weather conditions is a noteworthy stride towards fortifying the durability and longevity of your exceptional saunas. With anticipation, I eagerly look forward to witnessing more insightful revelations stemming from your exploration of building science and its profound applications in your ongoing journey.
I love sauna, so I invited my friends to join at a community sauna. None of them showed up, but I don't trust a friend that won't sauna, so it all worked out.
Man, I am a Us Finn and I have never seen a Sauna as pimp as yours. My uncles up in the arrowhead are lovely but they are clearly farmers and you are an interior designer. nicely done
This Sauna is beautifully and I love the materials that you have used.I bet the owners are delighted. An inspiration to me and my Finnish wife here in Sydney.
Really good-looking and beautiful interior in the sauna. One thing worries me a bit: is the ventilation sufficient? The sauna should be rich in oxygen and the sauna should be refreshing. If the air doesn't change properly, you won't be able to be in sauna for a long time and sauna will only make you tired. The same problem seems to exist in all saunas whose construction I have watched on TH-cam. Finnish saunas often have the same problem, even though saunas have been used here for a few thousand years. It is quite easy and also inexpensive to improve the ventilation. I've built a few saunas and it's hard to find instructions for proper ventilation. You just have to try it yourself. Evaluation is difficult if it is not possible to visit saunas where the ventilation actually works.
The word sauna is a Finnish word by origin. In fact, it's the only Finnish word in the English language. As with what happens to many cultural words, expressions, artifacts they get changed a bit when they come over into a new culture. We tend to pronounce the word like our Finnish ancestors who brought this specific expression of Nordic culture to North America - the sauna. Finnish pronunciation: Sauna = SOW-na This is pronunciation is still common in areas where Finnish immigrants settled throughout the USA. However you pronounce the word, we hope you enjoy the real, authentic, and stress destroying expression of sauna!
Question about windows. I have not seen any discussion on whether windows need to be thermal pane or if conventional window glass. Your thoughts. Thanks
We use both depending on the application, tempered glass is always a must in the sauna and be sure all seals are temperature-rated. Never never never use vinyl - unless you want melty sauna windows.
Question about the CLT. It seems to be devoid of any vapour barrier. Is it suited for use in saunas when they produce such high humidity? Also strange to see the interior lining laid directly onto the structure with no air gap. T&G boards would suffer a bit with all that humidity. Could you offer some explanation as to why these wouldn't be concerns
Great questions Luca, we spend a lot of time studying heat and moisture. In fact, we have done extensive research here with the University of Minnesota wood science department. Take a look a some of our additional videos on using Mass Timber and CLT panels for a bit more info on the topics.
The most important part is safety don’t cut corners there Skip. Lots of time and effort can help save if you are on a budget and looking to do the DIY work. 🔥🙌🏽😄
What does the design process look like? Currently doing a project for my entrepreneurship class at University and I'd love to dive deeper into build/sell saunas from start to finish. Currently exploring your other videos and website, enjoying it all!
First let me say you guys do beautiful work but the interior cedar has a lot of knots on the areas where people are going to be sitting. Won’t that burn the people sitting on them?
Hey Tom! Great question. Love that you are thinking about the nuances. There are a couple of factors at play here: 1. Soft woods are great for sauna interiors. We love Cedar for its fragrance, color, and softness in the sauna. Hardwoods are less often used as they tend to retain too much heat and might be less comfy to sit on. 2. We care about where all our woods come from. There is an environmental impact to sourcing healthy woods that are great for sauna. The sourcing of clear cedar is unfortunately using old growth wood. Thus, cutting larger healthier old grow trees where the wood in the center is free from knots. Vs. readily available farmed cedar that can be quickly grown and harvested. So, our environmental commitments lead our wood choice for our interiors. 2. Now, what does that mean for comfortability. We host thousands of people each year in our public saunas. And our custom saunas are sent all over North America to clients. And we haven’t heard of any toasted buns yet. ☺️ We think that the conversation around knot free interiors is mostly driven by a desire to upsell customers in lower quality saunas. Knots do warm up more than clear soft wood, but they don’t burn. Many enjoy the sauna with bench covers or towels as well. We invite you to join us for a sauna sometime in Duluth. 🌊🔥🙌🏽🧖🏻♀️🧖🏽
Awesome video and amazing sauan! I never knew about CLT, but you have opened my eyes to it. How would one go about purchasing some CLT for their personal projects? I am based in the Twin Cities area!
Hey, Sanjay! As a custom builder people who invest with us value: Investing in local skills craftsmen and craftswomen who build our saunas. Using regionally sourced and sustainable materials whenever possible. And having their sauna delivered and installed on site (you won't have a construction project in your yard for multiple months). Most people invest with us like you might invest in a vehicle. Some want the Lexus with all the bells and whistles, some want the Toyota that is tried and true. If you're interested in learning a bit more, feel free to email sales@cedarandstonesauna.com to connect with our team.
Have you checked glues used in CTLs you are using? Abstract The aim of this thesis was to study if CLT could be used in cold outbuildings or saunas. The thesis was made for Hirsiveisto Laasonen’s Olotar collection. The thesis introduces CLT as a material, different possibilities for glues in it, and building physics. An Excel file was made for this thesis work that can be used for calculating the strength of these kinds of buildings. The calculations are based on Eurocodes. At the end, there are also construction drawings of one example building. In the building physics section CLT’s temperature and humidity behavior was studied. The behavior was studied with WUFI-program and with small experimental test in a climatic test chamber.
Great question. We sure have. In fact, we have worked with a locally based adhesive company to create specially formulated and tested glue solutions that will hold up to the harsh environments of the sauna. 🤜🏼🤛🏼
Great question, there are many forms of Mass Timber products - walls, beams, etc. Some are mechanically connected such as NLT (Nail Laminated Timber), and sometimes they even use wooden nails. Our CLT is laminated with pressure and high strength glues. This creates the structural strength needed for large and small projects.
Ok how about the roof construction? Lighting? Flooring? Windows - were they double glazed to retain heat? Seems like a promo for the black wood and sauna heater with other relevant details forgot
@DuzBee, thanks for watching. You bring up all great points. This walkthrough wasn't meant to be a full how to of every elements for this sauna build. However, we are happy to create more content that highlights more of these elements you are asking about. Stay tuned.
Been looking for WiFi set up forever!... had a Harvia with the old manual timer... all coming together now with getting StarLink at the cottage this year where no internet service worked before so we'll be able to turn on the sauna 1/2 way there and have it warmed up for when we arrive! Love the Shu Sugi Ban exterior!
Hey there, great question. Clean saunas are the best ones. Nobody deserves a dank musty sauna often found in the gym. For us making sure all floor structures properly drain is the first step in good water management. For cleaning, saunas need minimal regular cleaning for general upkeep - much less than the regular maintenance for hot tubs for example. Wiping benches and making sure you exhaust the moist air are common first steps.
@@msfa2004 most of the time yes, our sauna that also have dressing rooms come with mechanical ventilation that helps exhaust air when done. This also depends upon climate and time of year. In cold climates there is more potential for condensation as warm humid sauna air contacts cold air or surfaces.
Hey Ryan, not just any glue will due! Especially in sauna. High temps need to always be tested for any products that go into sauna. We have worked with CLT companies who have use specifically high temp glues that will not off gas’s into the sauna. Great question. Keep them coming!
He responded to a comment 9 months ago and he responded to a comment 5 months ago.He didn't respond to yours 7 months ago.Not nice of him. The price must be a rip off.
Proper sauna design should always be mold-resistant if constructed correctly. High heat, good ventilation, and ensuring water drains appropriately all create beautiful, fresh, and mold free saunas!
There are a number of woods used traditionally for sauna. The most "traditional" is wood that can be sourced locally from the land that is suitable for sauna. If you live in North America, Cedar is very common and grows naturally in many areas. If you live in the Nordic countries you may see more spruce. The ingredients for good sauna have often been timber from the land, rocks from the soil, and freshwater from near by. Now to specifically compare alder and cedar. Cedar is often chosen as it had an enjoyable aromatics. But one main factor to look for in sauna wood are wood that is less dense/soft wood so that it doesn't heat up too much when you sit on it. Great question!
@@CedarandStoneSauna Yes I'm from a Nordic country and grey alder has been used here forever because it doesn't get too hot and has no resin (like spruce). Never been to a cedar sauna hence my question.
Good question. Sauna is about breathing deeply and good ventilation. The materials used in the sauna should then be natural. We have tested and checked with all our manufacturers for temperature tolerances for CLT panels that we use. CLT checks out great in most cases, but we cannot comment on every panel producers glues. Related, off gassing is the same reason we do not use spray foam for insulation in our saunas which has a tendency to off gas at such high temps.
So is this a pre-made sauna that you can purchase and its delivered and is put together on site? Or is this showing how we can build on our own........? How much is this set up? Where's the web link 🤔 to purchase the suana? Thanks
Hey Melissa! Thanks for reaching out. This is one of our custom build saunas. We would be happy to connect for details on our builds and what is needed for your space. You can find more info here: cedarandstonesauna.com/buildgallery/
Good question, absolutely not. Sauna is about breathing deeply and good ventilation. The materials used in the sauna should then be natural. This is the same reason we do not use spray foam for insulation in our saunas. 👌🏽
Aaron! Thank you so much. We love working with folks around the country and providing them a sauna either built here and delivered, or shipped and installed on location. Lots of options. 😄 check out our website: cedarandstonesauna.com/build And don’t hesitate to reach out with any questions. 🔥🙌🏽
Hey David, Good questions it's a different process in thinking about heat all together. R values trap the heat in the room. This is what happens with many traditional insulations. Traditional log and timberframe (and CLT) saunas capture the heat and then radiate it back into the room. Foam is tricky as you want to be very carful you are using a foam product that does not off gas into the room. Stay warm! :-)
@@CedarandStoneSauna What do mean that R values trap heat in a room? Still unclear to me why A CLT sauna is better than a traditional 2x4 insulated wall structure?
@@CedarandStoneSauna you're forgetting to tell people about thermal bridging. Soft wood has a low r-value and will transfer heat quickly to the outside causing high electric usage. Your structure has an r-value under 5, which is 4x lower than code.
beautiful to bad you just dont list the price on your web page. sauna shopping cant be bothered to fill out the custom quote. I guess I am not your target market.
Deva, for us sauna shopping isn't a point and click solution for everyone, especially with something custom built like most of ours. Stay tuned as we are developing some standard sauna models that will provide a bit more clarity from the start. Either way, hope you find your next sauna!
Hey @kenbo our saunas are currently custom built for our clients. Please reach out to our sales team for more details and a quote on your specific needs.
Great question! All our saunas are custom designed, built, and installed on site by our team. Lots of variables to consider when pricing for people all over North America. Some people need a real big sauna space the size of a tiny home. 🔥👀 Others something more modest for the backyard. Most family’s invest with us like you would in a vehicle. Then it just depends on if you wanna drive the Lexus or the Toyota. 😄
@@CedarandStoneSauna for a 4 person style of a sauna. by the way my 4 runner 2002 is still going strong after 100,000 miles 😆 got my self a 2018 4runner because of that and still use the 2002. 4runner the last true SUV 😁
Hey Jeffrey, thanks for the question, we have done extensive testing on the proper adhesives, as well as how they perform during continuous high heat cycles. The thermal mass of the sauna with thick wood walls creates a smooth and even heat throughout the sauna.
you're forgetting to tell people about thermal bridging. Soft wood CLT has a very low r-value and will transfer heat quickly to the outside causing high electric usage. Your structure has an r-value under 5, which is 4x lower than code.
Hey Brian, glad you are digging in here. You are right on with your assessment of r-value. If that was your home heating r-value you would need more as code expects. And traditional sauna is a much different building science that a traditional stick framed home. Sauna is not a continually headed space. With even regular sauna usage the loss is not nearly as significant. And CLT provides much more thermal mass for heat retention than that of the more common Barrel Sauna that is usually 5 quarter material resulting in about ~1 r. Stay warm! 🙂
I’m always amazed by commenters on YT who assume a professional builder would not know about key safety issues. Please, stop trying to be a know-it-all safety zealot and give them due respect. Does ANYTHING about their approach seem short-sighted or slapdash to you? Seriously. Are you in the business and know something about them we don’t know? Please illuminate. If not, the please just go someplace else with your ridiculous efforts to appear knowledgeable. THEIR NAME is Cedar and STONE Sauna, for goodness’ sake!
@@dvukovic On the other hand, having exposed yourself, you could put “Self-Aggrandizing, Self-Appointed Savior, Fishing for Likes as Captain Obvious” in your title and be spot-on. These people have to actually KNOW something and produce useful, safe, valuable products every day in spite of vacuous comments like this. It is very dangerous to put river rock comments in YT as they tend to be really dumb and can explode in your face when you put a light on them… 🥴
Hey Txx, glad you noticed ventilation. It’s always important in a sauna. There are a few schools of thought on sauna vent placement. Which one do you subscribe to?
Hey Ethan, appreciate the kudos on our work. As for sauna pronunciation, well, that word is the only Finnish word in the English dictionary. We often pronounce sauna in a more Finnish pronunciation (SOW-na) vs. the common English (SAW-na). Either way you prefer to say it we hope you are inspired or intrigued to try to experience the real thing. Once you have you might just be saying it differently. 😉🔥🙌🏽
Hey Elliot, love the conversation on pronunciation! “Sauna” happens to be the only Finnish word in English. And now in the English dictionary it comes with two pronunciations. The Finnish “SOW-na” and the English/Americanized “saw-na.” We happen to believe it’s important to care about the culture that these traditions came from. And this might happen to slip into the original Finnish pronunciations from time to time. But either way you pronounce it, we encourage you to go enjoy some sauna! 😄🔥🙌🏽
Well, we never correct people on sauna pronunciation. As a little background, that word is the only Finnish word brought into the English language. And many from our team pronounce sauna with the Finnish pronunciation. But however you say it, we recommend getting the highest quality sauna experience you can. 🔥😃
How many people could fit in this saunaccomplishably and how much does it cost I live in Connecticut? Please comment back thank you very much looking to hear back from you bye now
Absolutely stunning! From the video it seems as though the use of CLT panels eliminated the need for bulky interior insulation. Were you able to put the interior paneling directly over the CLT structure without any insulating material between them?
Great questions Drew! We custom made the CLT panels to include the interior paneling as a part of the structure itself. Exhalation can be added if needed for some cold climates. But our HUUM stove take care of the heat for most installs. 🔥🙌🏼☺️
@@CedarandStoneSauna Great video! I was impressed with the construction process, especially how you used a WRB outboard of the CLT in the time-lapse portion. However, I have a concern about potential water damage. I couldn't see any rain screen in the cross-section sample, and it got me wondering if you've considered providing an escape route for moisture. Additionally, I didn't notice any water protection on the interior. The project looks fantastic, but I'd love to hear more about your moisture management strategies! Keep up the good work!
@@danielmease sauna is always a moisture management exercise. The heat and humidity in the room, along with the desire to throw water onto the stones and even bathe while enjoying the sauna make for a lot of challenges to solve.
Thanks for noticing the details here. In short, we are both making sure all of those factors are solved for every client from fully drainable floor systems, to semi-permeable weather barriers for moisture management, and we are working with The University of Minnesota wood scientists here to study in depth how the wood and CLT wall perform in all weather applications.
@@CedarandStoneSauna Your meticulous attention to detail and unwavering dedication to constant improvement shine brightly in every response you provide. Your fervent desire to curate extraordinary sauna experiences is both inspiring and commendable, all while upholding an unwavering commitment to maintaining the highest standards of quality and innovation.
The intricate art of creating the perfect sauna environment demands a delicate balance of factors including heat, humidity, and potential water exposure. Your steadfast commitment to tackling these complexities for each unique client demonstrates your remarkable determination and expertise.
I'm particularly enthralled by the prospect of delving deeper through comprehensive videos that showcase your fully drainable floor systems and semi-permeable weather barriers. These visual presentations are bound to highlight the depth of your dedication to achieving impeccable standards of moisture control.
Furthermore, your collaborative efforts with wood scientists from The University of Minnesota to meticulously analyze the performance of wood and CLT walls across diverse weather conditions is a noteworthy stride towards fortifying the durability and longevity of your exceptional saunas.
With anticipation, I eagerly look forward to witnessing more insightful revelations stemming from your exploration of building science and its profound applications in your ongoing journey.
I love sauna, so I invited my friends to join at a community sauna. None of them showed up, but I don't trust a friend that won't sauna, so it all worked out.
😄sauna wisdom
Man, I am a Us Finn and I have never seen a Sauna as pimp as yours. My uncles up in the arrowhead are lovely but they are clearly farmers and you are an interior designer. nicely done
Thanks for the kind words, Ian! We prize designs that are sustainable and beautiful.
I love how this guy even pronounces it right 👍
Coming from Finnish blood, great work 🇫🇮
An honor to share the cultural gift of sauna!
Your team sure makes beautiful use of our materials! The charred cladding looks incredible on this sauna build.
Great chefs always use the best ingredients. Love working with Arbor Wood in all forms. 🔥🙌🏽😄
How do you handle the flooring and drain? Do you slope to a drain or let it evap through the air
Hey Will! We create fully drainable floor assemblies!
Incredible
Thanks so much Jeremy!
This Sauna is beautifully and I love the materials that you have used.I bet the owners are delighted. An inspiration to me and my Finnish wife here in Sydney.
Thank you so much Craig! Excited to see your sauna built down under! 🔥🙌🏽😄
Ok. This is the style I want!
Nice job.
Nice in mn might need a sauna soon
you have facts righ, Finnish person approves! 🤣💪
Well honored to get the official stamp of approval. 🇫🇮😀
@@CedarandStoneSauna love you, thing is, that you understand sauna!
We love sauna! :)
Can't wait to listen to more of your podcasts!
@@CedarandStoneSauna Thank you so much! That is great to hear! 😄
beautiful
Stunning work, great video too.
Thank you so much Mike!
Thanks for the video. No insulation needed ?
Really good-looking and beautiful interior in the sauna. One thing worries me a bit: is the ventilation sufficient? The sauna should be rich in oxygen and the sauna should be refreshing. If the air doesn't change properly, you won't be able to be in sauna for a long time and sauna will only make you tired. The same problem seems to exist in all saunas whose construction I have watched on TH-cam. Finnish saunas often have the same problem, even though saunas have been used here for a few thousand years. It is quite easy and also inexpensive to improve the ventilation. I've built a few saunas and it's hard to find instructions for proper ventilation. You just have to try it yourself. Evaluation is difficult if it is not possible to visit saunas where the ventilation actually works.
Inspiring video! Nice work!
nice add
Great sauna.
Also you pronounce sauna a way ive ever heard another soul.
The word sauna is a Finnish word by origin. In fact, it's the only Finnish word in the English language. As with what happens to many cultural words, expressions, artifacts they get changed a bit when they come over into a new culture.
We tend to pronounce the word like our Finnish ancestors who brought this specific expression of Nordic culture to North America - the sauna.
Finnish pronunciation: Sauna = SOW-na
This is pronunciation is still common in areas where Finnish immigrants settled throughout the USA.
However you pronounce the word, we hope you enjoy the real, authentic, and stress destroying expression of sauna!
Fantastic sauna and video. I'm excited to build one!
Question about windows. I have not seen any discussion on whether windows need to be thermal pane or if conventional window glass. Your thoughts. Thanks
We use both depending on the application, tempered glass is always a must in the sauna and be sure all seals are temperature-rated. Never never never use vinyl - unless you want melty sauna windows.
Question about the CLT. It seems to be devoid of any vapour barrier. Is it suited for use in saunas when they produce such high humidity? Also strange to see the interior lining laid directly onto the structure with no air gap. T&G boards would suffer a bit with all that humidity. Could you offer some explanation as to why these wouldn't be concerns
Great questions Luca, we spend a lot of time studying heat and moisture. In fact, we have done extensive research here with the University of Minnesota wood science department. Take a look a some of our additional videos on using Mass Timber and CLT panels for a bit more info on the topics.
This is awesome! Great work from Austin, Tx.
How much did this particular sauna cost you to make?
their prebuilt saunas are $10-20k sooooo...
No off gassing from those glues used in the CLT panels?
Yes always go natural wood. Engineered wood off gases toxins
The Huum stove is my entire budget😂
The most important part is safety don’t cut corners there Skip. Lots of time and effort can help save if you are on a budget and looking to do the DIY work. 🔥🙌🏽😄
I live in Minneapolis near ski trails :) it’s my goal to hire you guys for a small backyard sauna!
We can’t wait to help get rid of those sore ski legs. 🔥🙌🏽😄
What does the design process look like? Currently doing a project for my entrepreneurship class at University and I'd love to dive deeper into build/sell saunas from start to finish. Currently exploring your other videos and website, enjoying it all!
Ryan, feel free to reach out to us via out website. Good luck on all the research.
Nice Sauna. 👍
Kiitos!
The walls are like a stave
core door
Very similar process, scaled up for walls and structural strength. 💪
I need one in my life
Don't we all! 😀
Sauna tääjty olla. Kooooma..hä
Kiitos! 🔥🙌🏽😀
First let me say you guys do beautiful work but the interior cedar has a lot of knots on the areas where people are going to be sitting. Won’t that burn the people sitting on them?
Hey Tom! Great question. Love that you are thinking about the nuances. There are a couple of factors at play here:
1. Soft woods are great for sauna interiors. We love Cedar for its fragrance, color, and softness in the sauna. Hardwoods are less often used as they tend to retain too much heat and might be less comfy to sit on.
2. We care about where all our woods come from. There is an environmental impact to sourcing healthy woods that are great for sauna. The sourcing of clear cedar is unfortunately using old growth wood. Thus, cutting larger healthier old grow trees where the wood in the center is free from knots. Vs. readily available farmed cedar that can be quickly grown and harvested.
So, our environmental commitments lead our wood choice for our interiors.
2. Now, what does that mean for comfortability. We host thousands of people each year in our public saunas. And our custom saunas are sent all over North America to clients. And we haven’t heard of any toasted buns yet. ☺️ We think that the conversation around knot free interiors is mostly driven by a desire to upsell customers in lower quality saunas. Knots do warm up more than clear soft wood, but they don’t burn. Many enjoy the sauna with bench covers or towels as well.
We invite you to join us for a sauna sometime in Duluth. 🌊🔥🙌🏽🧖🏻♀️🧖🏽
The way he says ‘sauna’ hahaha
Awesome video and amazing sauan! I never knew about CLT, but you have opened my eyes to it. How would one go about purchasing some CLT for their personal projects? I am based in the Twin Cities area!
Hey Gabe! Happy to chat. Reach out to our team via email and we can discuss: office@cedarandstonesauna.com
Thanks for the wonderful video. Approximately, how much would this cost? Ball park numbers
Hey, Sanjay!
As a custom builder people who invest with us value:
Investing in local skills craftsmen and craftswomen who build our saunas.
Using regionally sourced and sustainable materials whenever possible.
And having their sauna delivered and installed on site (you won't have a construction project in your yard for multiple months).
Most people invest with us like you might invest in a vehicle. Some want the Lexus with all the bells and whistles, some want the Toyota that is tried and true.
If you're interested in learning a bit more, feel free to email sales@cedarandstonesauna.com to connect with our team.
Have you checked glues used in CTLs you are using?
Abstract
The aim of this thesis was to study if CLT could be used in cold outbuildings or saunas.
The thesis was made for Hirsiveisto Laasonen’s Olotar collection.
The thesis introduces CLT as a material, different possibilities for glues in it, and building
physics. An Excel file was made for this thesis work that can be used for calculating the
strength of these kinds of buildings. The calculations are based on Eurocodes. At the
end, there are also construction drawings of one example building.
In the building physics section CLT’s temperature and humidity behavior was studied.
The behavior was studied with WUFI-program and with small experimental test in a climatic test chamber.
Great question. We sure have. In fact, we have worked with a locally based adhesive company to create specially formulated and tested glue solutions that will hold up to the harsh environments of the sauna. 🤜🏼🤛🏼
@@CedarandStoneSauna LOL
Is the CLT wood compacted through high pressure or bolts ?
Great question, there are many forms of Mass Timber products - walls, beams, etc. Some are mechanically connected such as NLT (Nail Laminated Timber), and sometimes they even use wooden nails. Our CLT is laminated with pressure and high strength glues. This creates the structural strength needed for large and small projects.
I’d love to know the difference between this sauna and an infrared.
Hi. how to protect burnt wood so that it does not leave traces when touched accidentally? colorless oil or something else? Regards Tommy from Poland.
Ok how about the roof construction? Lighting? Flooring? Windows - were they double glazed to retain heat? Seems like a promo for the black wood and sauna heater with other relevant details forgot
@DuzBee, thanks for watching. You bring up all great points. This walkthrough wasn't meant to be a full how to of every elements for this sauna build. However, we are happy to create more content that highlights more of these elements you are asking about. Stay tuned.
Been looking for WiFi set up forever!... had a Harvia with the old manual timer... all coming together now with getting StarLink at the cottage this year where no internet service worked before so we'll be able to turn on the sauna 1/2 way there and have it warmed up for when we arrive! Love the Shu Sugi Ban exterior!
Finally WiFi is ready. And amazing with your StarLink setup! 🔥🙌🏽😄
Do you do interior saunas as well? I know my dad is looking at getting one in his garage at the lake in Minnesota
Hey Andrew, feel free to reach out to our sales team. We provide a number of options for interior saunas as well.
how do you keep the sauna dry and clean after using it?
Hey there, great question. Clean saunas are the best ones. Nobody deserves a dank musty sauna often found in the gym. For us making sure all floor structures properly drain is the first step in good water management. For cleaning, saunas need minimal regular cleaning for general upkeep - much less than the regular maintenance for hot tubs for example. Wiping benches and making sure you exhaust the moist air are common first steps.
So just opening the door after use and wiping the seats and floor will be enough?@@CedarandStoneSauna
@@msfa2004 most of the time yes, our sauna that also have dressing rooms come with mechanical ventilation that helps exhaust air when done. This also depends upon climate and time of year. In cold climates there is more potential for condensation as warm humid sauna air contacts cold air or surfaces.
Thanks for the explanation :)
Are the clt woods glued together? Is there no issues with gasses from the glue when it’s heated? Is it just normal wood glue?
Hey Ryan, not just any glue will due! Especially in sauna. High temps need to always be tested for any products that go into sauna. We have worked with CLT companies who have use specifically high temp glues that will not off gas’s into the sauna. Great question. Keep them coming!
What’s the pricing for this sauna?
He responded to a comment 9 months ago and he responded to a comment 5 months ago.He didn't respond to yours 7 months ago.Not nice of him. The price must be a rip off.
Does your sauna build mold?
Is there a way to build it to account for mold?
Proper sauna design should always be mold-resistant if constructed correctly. High heat, good ventilation, and ensuring water drains appropriately all create beautiful, fresh, and mold free saunas!
How does cedar interior paneling compare to alder that is used in traditional saunas?
There are a number of woods used traditionally for sauna. The most "traditional" is wood that can be sourced locally from the land that is suitable for sauna.
If you live in North America, Cedar is very common and grows naturally in many areas. If you live in the Nordic countries you may see more spruce. The ingredients for good sauna have often been timber from the land, rocks from the soil, and freshwater from near by.
Now to specifically compare alder and cedar. Cedar is often chosen as it had an enjoyable aromatics. But one main factor to look for in sauna wood are wood that is less dense/soft wood so that it doesn't heat up too much when you sit on it.
Great question!
@@CedarandStoneSauna Yes I'm from a Nordic country and grey alder has been used here forever because it doesn't get too hot and has no resin (like spruce). Never been to a cedar sauna hence my question.
And you built a beautiful sauna here :) And I can vouch for Huum stoves, they are really great.
@@synnest agreed, HUUM stoves are sure a beautiful way to warm a sauna.
Are the CLT panels held together with glue? If so, at 100 Celsius are they at risk of offgasing?
Good question. Sauna is about breathing deeply and good ventilation.
The materials used in the sauna should then be natural. We have tested and checked with all our manufacturers for temperature tolerances for CLT panels that we use. CLT checks out great in most cases, but we cannot comment on every panel producers glues.
Related, off gassing is the same reason we do not use spray foam for insulation in our saunas which has a tendency to off gas at such high temps.
What did something like that cost?
are you building trailer saunas
🛞🛞 we sure do. 🔥😉
So is this a pre-made sauna that you can purchase and its delivered and is put together on site? Or is this showing how we can build on our own........?
How much is this set up?
Where's the web link 🤔 to purchase the suana? Thanks
Hey Melissa! Thanks for reaching out. This is one of our custom build saunas. We would be happy to connect for details on our builds and what is needed for your space. You can find more info here: cedarandstonesauna.com/buildgallery/
Curious...does the CLT panels gas off the adhesives that bond the boards together with the heat of the sauna?
Good question, absolutely not. Sauna is about breathing deeply and good ventilation. The materials used in the sauna should then be natural. This is the same reason we do not use spray foam for insulation in our saunas. 👌🏽
Beautiful work! What is the dimension of the hot room and changing area?
Thanks Brian. It’s a cozy 6’x9’ total footprint. 🔥🙌🏽😄 6’x5’ hot room and 6’x4’ changing area.
Where can I buy one of them
Hey Julio, reach out to our team via www.cedarandstonesauna.com. We’d be happy to help. 🔥🙌🏽☺️
I’d love to buy one from you guys some day! Do you guys build these in other states? Or even pre-build and ship them?
Aaron! Thank you so much.
We love working with folks around the country and providing them a sauna either built here and delivered, or shipped and installed on location. Lots of options. 😄 check out our website: cedarandstonesauna.com/build
And don’t hesitate to reach out with any questions. 🔥🙌🏽
Interesting, thanks for sharing your thought process. I live in a snowy area, does the insulation of layers wood better R value than closed cell foam?
Hey David, Good questions it's a different process in thinking about heat all together. R values trap the heat in the room. This is what happens with many traditional insulations.
Traditional log and timberframe (and CLT) saunas capture the heat and then radiate it back into the room.
Foam is tricky as you want to be very carful you are using a foam product that does not off gas into the room.
Stay warm! :-)
@@CedarandStoneSauna What do mean that R values trap heat in a room? Still unclear to me why A CLT sauna is better than a traditional 2x4 insulated wall structure?
@@CedarandStoneSauna you're forgetting to tell people about thermal bridging. Soft wood has a low r-value and will transfer heat quickly to the outside causing high electric usage. Your structure has an r-value under 5, which is 4x lower than code.
beautiful to bad you just dont list the price on your web page. sauna shopping cant be bothered to fill out the custom quote.
I guess I am not your target market.
Deva, for us sauna shopping isn't a point and click solution for everyone, especially with something custom built like most of ours.
Stay tuned as we are developing some standard sauna models that will provide a bit more clarity from the start.
Either way, hope you find your next sauna!
How much was this one? I don’t want to put all my information
Sound-dah or sauna?
We never reprimand people for how to say it. But we often pronounce it the way the word is pronounced in the original Finnish language: “SOW-na” 🔥😄
Do you have any dealers in western Canada?
We ship throughout North America. Feel free to reach out to our team directly on our website: cedarandstonesauna.com/buildgallery/
Can’t find on the website how much these are.
Hey @kenbo our saunas are currently custom built for our clients. Please reach out to our sales team for more details and a quote on your specific needs.
What's the cost for something like this?
Great question! All our saunas are custom designed, built, and installed on site by our team. Lots of variables to consider when pricing for people all over North America. Some people need a real big sauna space the size of a tiny home. 🔥👀
Others something more modest for the backyard. Most family’s invest with us like you would in a vehicle. Then it just depends on if you wanna drive the Lexus or the Toyota. 😄
@@CedarandStoneSauna for a 4 person style of a sauna. by the way my 4 runner 2002 is still going strong after 100,000 miles 😆 got my self a 2018 4runner because of that and still use the 2002. 4runner the last true SUV 😁
@@12schnsaint our mobile saunas pull great behind a 4Runner 😄🔥🙌🏽 feel free to connect with our build team anytime: cedarandstonesauna.com/build/
Aren't you worried about the chemicals in the laminate coming out because of the heat from the Sauna?
Hey Jeffrey, thanks for the question, we have done extensive testing on the proper adhesives, as well as how they perform during continuous high heat cycles. The thermal mass of the sauna with thick wood walls creates a smooth and even heat throughout the sauna.
you're forgetting to tell people about thermal bridging. Soft wood CLT has a very low r-value and will transfer heat quickly to the outside causing high electric usage. Your structure has an r-value under 5, which is 4x lower than code.
Hey Brian, glad you are digging in here. You are right on with your assessment of r-value. If that was your home heating r-value you would need more as code expects. And traditional sauna is a much different building science that a traditional stick framed home. Sauna is not a continually headed space. With even regular sauna usage the loss is not nearly as significant. And CLT provides much more thermal mass for heat retention than that of the more common Barrel Sauna that is usually 5 quarter material resulting in about ~1 r. Stay warm! 🙂
It is very dangerous to use river rocks in sauna, as they tend to be porous, and can explode when you pour water on them.
You are accurate on that. We always suggest proper sauna stones. Rock shards are never fun🪨🪨🪨
River rocks are several different types of stone, some of them can withstand the heat snd cooling. Huum knows what stones to use though
I’m always amazed by commenters on YT who assume a professional builder would not know about key safety issues. Please, stop trying to be a know-it-all safety zealot and give them due respect. Does ANYTHING about their approach seem short-sighted or slapdash to you? Seriously. Are you in the business and know something about them we don’t know? Please illuminate. If not, the please just go someplace else with your ridiculous efforts to appear knowledgeable. THEIR NAME is Cedar and STONE Sauna, for goodness’ sake!
@@tommyrq180 I can put "Nobel Prize Winning Nuclear Physicist" in my profile title, but it wouldn't make me one.
@@dvukovic On the other hand, having exposed yourself, you could put “Self-Aggrandizing, Self-Appointed Savior, Fishing for Likes as Captain Obvious” in your title and be spot-on. These people have to actually KNOW something and produce useful, safe, valuable products every day in spite of vacuous comments like this. It is very dangerous to put river rock comments in YT as they tend to be really dumb and can explode in your face when you put a light on them… 🥴
Saw na…..
Is there an estimate?????
Sure thing. Reach out to our team and we will
Provide you with a specific quote for your custom designed and built sauna. 🙌🏽🔥
Ahhhh. Lame
What are the dimensions of this?
Hey @beau this one is a cozy little footprint. 6’x9’. 🔥🙌🏽😄
Soughnah
The vent hole for exiting air is placed wrong.
Hey Txx, glad you noticed ventilation. It’s always important in a sauna. There are a few schools of thought on sauna vent placement. Which one do you subscribe to?
Sauna looks awesome, can you give us a ballpark on price for something like that. Maybe with a bit cheaper siding.
Have i been saying sauna wrong my whole life? Kinda like pho. I’m going with he’s saying it wrong or fancy
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Looks fantastic! Awesome video and work guys. But I have to say, I hate the way you pronounce sauna lol
Hey Ethan, appreciate the kudos on our work. As for sauna pronunciation, well, that word is the only Finnish word in the English dictionary. We often pronounce sauna in a more Finnish pronunciation (SOW-na) vs. the common English (SAW-na). Either way you prefer to say it we hope you are inspired or intrigued to try to experience the real thing. Once you have you might just be saying it differently. 😉🔥🙌🏽
It comes from the Nort-Lands of Minnesota. The Scandinavian, Finnish, Danish and many more.
We say Sowna. 🤙🏽
Y do you say it like that
My husband's a talented woodworker I wonder if you pay better than his company 🤔 😏
We are hiring now. 😄 You can find our employment opportunities on our website.
Great build! The way you pronounce sauna makes me want to jump off a cliff!
So should it be spelt Sawna? 🙄
Oh no Cmills! Don't do it. We simple are pronouncing the word in it traditional Finnish pronunciation. :-)
Using a crane? Just build it in the back yard 😂😂
can you say sauna in English please
Hey Elliot, love the conversation on pronunciation! “Sauna” happens to be the only Finnish word in English. And now in the English dictionary it comes with two pronunciations. The Finnish “SOW-na” and the English/Americanized “saw-na.”
We happen to believe it’s important to care about the culture that these traditions came from. And this might happen to slip into the original Finnish pronunciations from time to time. But either way you pronounce it, we encourage you to go enjoy some sauna! 😄🔥🙌🏽
Say sauna correctly!
Can’t watch because the way he pronounces Sauna.
Well, we never correct people on sauna pronunciation. As a little background, that word is the only Finnish word brought into the English language. And many from our team pronounce sauna with the Finnish pronunciation. But however you say it, we recommend getting the highest quality sauna experience you can. 🔥😃
Meh
The hell is a sowna? Bro it’s a sauna.
you spent too much time talking. we want to see the build not hear you talk bro come on man
Hey Brandon, our goal is always to educate, inspire, and entertain people in the process of our videos and experiences. 😀
How many people could fit in this saunaccomplishably and how much does it cost I live in Connecticut? Please comment back thank you very much looking to hear back from you bye now
What are the dimensions of this sauna build?