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I always felt that the stories of caster, Kirei and Ryuunosuke were part of a critique of religion, but folding them into the narrative’s themes about leadership is also a really interesting framework. Amazing work, as always man!
They certainly are for sure, I would expect nothing less from Urobuchi haha. This was a sort of offshoot from the last Fate/Zero video, so I looked at it under the frame of leader and it seemed to present something interesting! I'm happy to see you thought so too! : D
I agree with you after rewatching Zero for the third or fourth time. Ryuunosuke and Kirei serve as interesting foils to each other. Both are twisted people but one embraces it as a kind of faith, the other embraces faith and hates themselves.
Kotomine kirei is my number 1 antagonist in all of fiction As a reader of the fate/zero novel and the fate/stay night visual novel, the amount of details put into crafting his character is so beautiful An antagonist going through his own journey of finding his meaning, an antagonist that asks "why would god create something evil like me?" He tries to be good (literally dislocating his bones and peeling off skin to punish himself) and wants to know if it is really evil to be the way you are born? (Something you have no control over) Even things like his character design and how it contrasts kiritsugu's design is masterfully designed Such an amazingly entertaining villain
For sure, he turned into a very engaging character. Normally antagonists are quite sure of themselves, so seeing one who wasn't uncovering what desire is like was a very fresh take!
I think the more interesting aspects of Kirei's moral faults are those conected with the bad way religion affected him. It looks like not only him, but in general the Church is played in Fate/Zero like this old corrupt institution with people who say, but do not follow. Even the father of Kirei is a priest and have a son (which is technicaly possible, but so rare in the public's mind that I understand like a signal of this institution's corruption theme). It's interesting like the way he rejects life's pleasures is so anti-catholic (it's like a puritan), it's strange like a man of God is so meaningless in many ways even tho in real life clergy is one of the most happy people group by the statistics. I always think this is because his hife died and he just followed his father's path with little interest in it, never had his heart in anything and keep walk the so called "path of faith" with no mind nor spirit in it, just wandering with a zombie-like body thru his obligations and vain mastery (in Fate/Zero they let it very clear that he did many things and drop off all). He does exactly the opposite of what a Catholic is called to do: he seeks his meaning in earthly goods and not in heavens' goods. Kirei is the perfect example of many ways the faithfull fall short of the ideal, doesn't understand the calling.
Okay, man, no. I don't think you get Kirei's Character. Kirei ONLY feels pleasure/good/eudemonia when doing what we'll normally consider evil. This isn't his repression of some slight sadism gone arei, that's just how he was born.
Yeah, in the stay/night VN it says that he did many things the other people find enjoyable but still found no enjoyment in them. There wasn’t a brain problem or anything, it simply was how he is. If he did find another way to enjoy himself then he wouldn’t fall to his pleasure. But the problem was that the suffering of others WAS the only thing that made him happy. Even when his wife killed herself, he cried not out of grief but because he couldn’t strangle her.
Also his magic circuits literally came from god (more accurately his fathers prayer and worship but same thing basically) so he does know for certain that god does exist
6:01 something worth mentioning is that Giles’s faith in god was fractured at Jeanne’s execution so his years of depravity and desire for god to punish him was his desperate plea to restore his faith by seeing gods justice carried out upon him. His execution at the hands of humanity forever broke his faith
I'm a devout catholic and a Very traditionalist one. But i love to watch these animes and essays about It; and congratulations on these videos, Very well produced and thoughtout! But in in my humble opinion, The message is that, Man Will do The most heinous deeds, If they thing they making a good thing.l; Just take a look at The worst dictators in history: Hitler killed millions of people in concentration camps and manu more in The Second world war , because he thougth that he make the world a better place and benefit The German Race; Stalin killed millions to make the "worker's "paradise" and many more. It's a interesting take on The Nature of things, but i think that in The end of The day, to quote sozhenitsen, The LINE between good and evil lies in hearts of every human. The worst people are not The ones who do evil deeds, The worst people are The ones who do evil things and make the righteous partake in It. But in my own experience and reflections, we make assumptions about God, such as omnipotence, ominpresence and omiscience based on how our mind would comprehend those things, and we make our assumptions based on our Very limited comprehension of our world, we try to rationalize everything, and while reason is a good thing and necessary thing to have, a Lot of times we might be logically right, we can be Very ethicly wrong; basically every serial killer rationalized in many ways The heinous acts of brutallity they had done But that's my 5 cents. God bless you ALL Ps: excuse me for my kinda faulty english, i'm not a native speaker, cheers! ❤️❤️
Now I am not a religious person, but I do like to think and philosophise about it. If as assumed god is infinite, omniscient and omnipotent, he naturally is a being we cannot comprehend. Because we are limited in our own perceptions we naturally try to interpret god as such. To me this means we can never be certain wether we are right or wrong and anything might be true or false. This is why I believe it's important to question. Both yourself/others and remain open to be questioned. Because trough this game of playing detective you can become closer to "truth", which I in a way interpret as god. If a question shakes ones faith, it may not have been strong enough or you simply do not understand it well enough. Trough searching for truth, that understanding and wisdom could perhaps be reached. There is a really solid chance I am wrong. After all I don't know all that much about religion. Then again. This is just a comment in a TH-cam comment section among millions of others. I doubt its a large transgression of sorts.
There is an idea I like a lot as a Catholic. "God is Truth", so, if you find something and something is true you should not be afraid (as a believer as I am) that you will go astray, because: truth never denies truth. In this manner, if you somewhat see a question that mind bogles you, you should go to the end because to find the truth will always brings you closer to God. If you see you are going away, maybe your concept of God was weak and wrong or you just didn't got the "truth", but a twisted lie. This look like just a riddle or a play of words, I swear it is not. I'm really saying that if you find something and this let your faith crack, your faith was weak. Maybe you could read more and study more. The other extreme I always see is when confronted the believer shy away and don't ask questions or even get away from religion alltogether. I'm very sad when such things happens, bacause the questions which we all have are write in books millenia old and we still think pholosophy would not understand us or that an old religion (in the good sense of "old") would not have aswer all the obvious questions in many ways.
The following comment is from a Catholic I struggle with my faith on a day-to-day basis my problem being I am a very logical person so I find it hard to except the more faith given aspects of my religion when inconsistencies show themselves or things that don't make sense I start to doubt and one of the biggest things I wonder is whether or not God truly exists and if he does if he even cares and in the end I have come to one conclusion. Religion in all its forms is utterly pointless but that does not mean it holds no value. Think about it worshipping a god in the grand scheme of things gains humanity no advantage and maybe the idea of god is just somthing some crackpot came up with. But if a religion congerd by some crackpot teaches us to be better people and kinder to our fellow man and this non-existent God is one that cares for us and loves us is it really a bad thing even if it a lie. Now I know there are those who use religion for there own benefit but I'm taking about religion in a positive light not negative. Which brings me to my conclusion FOR ME it is better to believe than to not. To put it another why do I want to believe that we are just hear by chance there is no plan and when I die that is the end. OR do I whant to believe that this word and myself was made by a loving God who has a plan for everyone and everything and when I die I will be with him and all my loved ones in an eternal paradise. Now let me be clear believing can be much harder than being atheist. But to quote Blaise Pascal "if I believe in God and life after death and you do not and there is no God, we both lose when we die. However if there is a God, you still lose and I gain everything."
I'm a Catholic and Code Geass is a very important part of my life. I'm deeply into my faith, but I'm a engeneer, and a Science lover, and way more logic than emotive. If you wish we can talk a little and maybe I can be useful to you (and to me), my brother. There is nothing more complete, if you wish to be rational, than be catholic, you would love to know that, maybe. There is a long way until you get it in this manner. You even said: it's harder to be a believer than a atheist, only if you are a believer full commit. (sorry if my english is off, english is not my 1st language)
To begin you should watch Jordan Peterson and Bishop Barron videos. You will like Peterson's insights into the Bible too. If no one let us know the Tradition we become lost as our generation is. We need to search for the Tradition my brother, it is wonderful and, believe it or not, rational. Our great Catholic tradition gives rise to the university and to the science itself. We are a religion or thinkers in the core.
Hope I can help you my brother. If you want to talk, call me in the comments. We chat :) Some of Bishop Barron: th-cam.com/video/GcH_5Iecu5s/w-d-xo.html Some of Catholic Presents (if you want some of the doctrine of the Church): th-cam.com/users/CatholicProductionsvideos Some of Jordan Peterson: th-cam.com/video/TUD3pE3ZsQI/w-d-xo.html Some of Jordan Peterson with Bishop Barron: th-cam.com/video/BVrLqpt0APo/w-d-xo.html
I think that last part is wrong imo because it’d be fine if there was only one god but the fact that there are many means what if your worshipping the wrong god you’d just be angering the actual god
Faith in God in a oriented way is an act of exploration. If you stop in the hard questions and turn your eyes away. If you use your so called "faith" as an excuse to be cruel of to do your whim, this is just a lie. You couldn't say "I believe in X" if this is just an utilitarian excuse, it would be a lie as any other.
Thank you for the comments, I'll respond to them here for simplicity : ) To start, I want to explain some of my intension behind the video as well. I failed to state in it that I wasn't presenting my own beliefs, but simply what I drew from the anime. Now, what I interpreted from it is obviously geared to my own thoughts and feelings, so there is some truth to what I said applying to me, but I should have been more clear I was speaking to some degree "for the anime." A good majority of what I said however could be applied to my mindset, which isn't a surprise given it's from my favorite creative in the anime sphere haha. But to start with the idea of "God is Truth," I think the reason I tend to move away from this kind of mindset is because of my hard science background. I would have been scolded if I went into a situation with a specific outcome in mind haha. And, I do believe the scientific process can be a good extension into many other things, however its forced impartiality also raised issue in some cases, so I can't take it as a guiding principle. In that way, I respect the idea of "God is Truth," because there is a commitment there in exploring unknown territory without fear of losing your guiding principle. If in moral hands, this is probably the superior mindset, but given the lack of morality in Fate/Zero's "faithful" characters, I didn't explore that much here. When we get into the materialism is where what I believe the messaging of the anime overtakes my own ideas. Although I can't point to a specific belief I have (I haven't explored enough yet to find one I would consider my "truth") I do tend to believe in some meaning to things. When I was reading some of Kant's works, what stood out to me was his reasoning that because humans can act against nature, or our own nature impulses, we have a greater value to ourselves. I think something like that is true, but I haven't read enough to claim anything specific yet. Where I do tend to be more of a materialist is once again in my scientific background. While both science and religion explain the world, one comes with equations and methods which I can learn, repeat, and apply, while the other doesn't offer "hard evidence" for lack of a better term. Given enough time and energy, I wouldn't have to simply take a doctor's word, I could learn what they know, based on evidence gathered through many iterations and then published, and observe the situation for myself, to reach the same conclusion. This is where I differ in the idea of faith. When I take someone's word for an event I didn't observe, like their past, I do so because there's no other source of information to believe. I can't prove anything about the past, but I can cite the most reliable source. If the person in question proved in the past that they lied often, then I would doubt what they say. To me, that doesn't constitute faith, but an extension of observation through the available means, like a court vetting and taking into account a witness testimony. But to yield some ground, there's no proving that relationships observed by science weren't put in place by a higher power. While that method of thinking gets discarded by science as something unfalsifiable, and unworthy of debate as such, I do like to believe there is some "universal truth" in the universe. In a way my own form of god, that given enough time and energy, we could "solve" everything and find a fundamental principle that drives existence, which many would say is god. I guess I follow a mix of science and religion in that way. But, anyway, I've been typing for a while and I'm having a hard time focusing today, so I don't want to ramble too long. I hope what I said here didn't come off confrontational, I hate how I sound over text alone. It's hard to not sound aggressive, and I do genuinely want to approach everything with as open a mind as I can have, without losing myself. So, although I may not agree on everything, I appreciate the comments and the food for thought : )
@@ProfessorViral I'm pleased to read a long response. Thank you by that. Don't be afraid of sounding confrontational, in important discusions we can't help but be a little bit more intense some time, this doesn't mean we are enemies, but we do raelise everyone is serious in a good manner. I might sound too forceful and close minded in my words, but I swear I'm here to cooperate in the best manner I can manage. And I'm happy to see desagrement, that's the point of commenting in the first place: to talk and to listen. And when you talk about the search for the truth and the thist for "solving everything" I will say is the same impulse to God that I have. I'm an engineer, a man of Science, no doubt. You put Science and religon on odds because you think they talk about the same topic, wich they don't. Using religion to talk abou the natural world is like using the Science to talk about the beauty of art. It's a miss use of the tool. Then you say religon explains the world, but the world it's represented as a place to act. Science will never show you a world of values, Science is a tool to describe a amoral world of objects (do not mistake by imoral, it's amoral). By the same token is not like religion is random at all, if you try to extract a "good morality" your might want a behavior that can be extended forever, of the behavior from which good rules of behavior can be exctracted from. If moral is like "the game you play with others to cooperate across time", religion would be an implicit (uncontious) patter our ancestors exctrated from looking how people ought to behave in society in order to thrive as a community. The 10 commandments even if you don't believe the were God's message, it is at least a good set of rules to the old israelites to live together. If you think religion is based on no test or observation I ask you to look in another perspective. They are not seeing a world of objects, they are seeing a world of narrative and behavior. Everyone is a character and every life as it's lesson to everyone else. I write too much, sorry. Hope you can read and get something out of my madness.
@ProfessorViral I'm really pleased to see you talking about philosophy in Fate/Zero. This anime is awesome and I like you aproach to the videos. Please keep doing it :) At the same time I was struck by your materialist approach to life at the same time I was thinking "maybe I can be useful here", so, if you will, let me try in this manner: you can't live with no faith (being faith the act of believing in someone word with no other proof than good will). There is a video in this topic that I like a lot: th-cam.com/video/2z4wKCsD59Q/w-d-xo.html Here goes an example: I begin to talk to you and maybe we like the talk. Some other meetings goes by and me and you became friends, so there gonna be a point I may say to you something you couldn't ever proof by your senses. Something like mt past with my parents, or the way I love some book, or some fact that happened 5 years ago, etc. Of course you will see if what I say is reasonable. If I said I could fly last week, but lost my powers you will not believe, but if I say to you something reasonable you can (and is propable that you will) believe my words with no evidence of what I say. I think a true and strong faith is some of this same type: I will not believe something totally absurd. At the same time I will know the frontier of my own senses. As I believe the science that I can't understand, but I can trust the scientists that studied it and I can study more myself (as I do with religion). I would like to know what you think too :) *I should say: Fate/Zero and it metaphor in many ways helps me in my Catholic faith, it's an amazing reflection into the many ways this same faith can go wrong. (hope my english is enought clear because it's not my 1st language and I do struggle with it)
@@ProfessorViral ah sadly no... infact the Gilgamesh we see in fate zero is not the same Gil we see in fate stay night or unlimited blade works. In fate zero he was compelling to watch but in other media he's just a jerk
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I always felt that the stories of caster, Kirei and Ryuunosuke were part of a critique of religion, but folding them into the narrative’s themes about leadership is also a really interesting framework. Amazing work, as always man!
They certainly are for sure, I would expect nothing less from Urobuchi haha. This was a sort of offshoot from the last Fate/Zero video, so I looked at it under the frame of leader and it seemed to present something interesting! I'm happy to see you thought so too! : D
@@ProfessorViral I surely did. :) please keep it going
I agree with you after rewatching Zero for the third or fourth time. Ryuunosuke and Kirei serve as interesting foils to each other. Both are twisted people but one embraces it as a kind of faith, the other embraces faith and hates themselves.
Kotomine kirei is my number 1 antagonist in all of fiction
As a reader of the fate/zero novel and the fate/stay night visual novel, the amount of details put into crafting his character is so beautiful
An antagonist going through his own journey of finding his meaning, an antagonist that asks "why would god create something evil like me?" He tries to be good (literally dislocating his bones and peeling off skin to punish himself) and wants to know if it is really evil to be the way you are born? (Something you have no control over)
Even things like his character design and how it contrasts kiritsugu's design is masterfully designed
Such an amazingly entertaining villain
For sure, he turned into a very engaging character. Normally antagonists are quite sure of themselves, so seeing one who wasn't uncovering what desire is like was a very fresh take!
I think the more interesting aspects of Kirei's moral faults are those conected with the bad way religion affected him. It looks like not only him, but in general the Church is played in Fate/Zero like this old corrupt institution with people who say, but do not follow. Even the father of Kirei is a priest and have a son (which is technicaly possible, but so rare in the public's mind that I understand like a signal of this institution's corruption theme).
It's interesting like the way he rejects life's pleasures is so anti-catholic (it's like a puritan), it's strange like a man of God is so meaningless in many ways even tho in real life clergy is one of the most happy people group by the statistics. I always think this is because his hife died and he just followed his father's path with little interest in it, never had his heart in anything and keep walk the so called "path of faith" with no mind nor spirit in it, just wandering with a zombie-like body thru his obligations and vain mastery (in Fate/Zero they let it very clear that he did many things and drop off all). He does exactly the opposite of what a Catholic is called to do: he seeks his meaning in earthly goods and not in heavens' goods.
Kirei is the perfect example of many ways the faithfull fall short of the ideal, doesn't understand the calling.
Okay, man, no. I don't think you get Kirei's Character. Kirei ONLY feels pleasure/good/eudemonia when doing what we'll normally consider evil. This isn't his repression of some slight sadism gone arei, that's just how he was born.
Yeah, in the stay/night VN it says that he did many things the other people find enjoyable but still found no enjoyment in them. There wasn’t a brain problem or anything, it simply was how he is. If he did find another way to enjoy himself then he wouldn’t fall to his pleasure. But the problem was that the suffering of others WAS the only thing that made him happy. Even when his wife killed herself, he cried not out of grief but because he couldn’t strangle her.
Also his magic circuits literally came from god (more accurately his fathers prayer and worship but same thing basically) so he does know for certain that god does exist
6:01 something worth mentioning is that Giles’s faith in god was fractured at Jeanne’s execution so his years of depravity and desire for god to punish him was his desperate plea to restore his faith by seeing gods justice carried out upon him. His execution at the hands of humanity forever broke his faith
“Oh arrogant god, Cruel god! We shall pull you down from your throne!”
I'm a devout catholic and a Very traditionalist one. But i love to watch these animes and essays about It; and congratulations on these videos, Very well produced and thoughtout!
But in in my humble opinion, The message is that, Man Will do The most heinous deeds, If they thing they making a good thing.l; Just take a look at The worst dictators in history: Hitler killed millions of people in concentration camps and manu more in The Second world war , because he thougth that he make the world a better place and benefit The German Race; Stalin killed millions to make the "worker's "paradise" and many more. It's a interesting take on The Nature of things, but i think that in The end of The day, to quote sozhenitsen, The LINE between good and evil lies in hearts of every human.
The worst people are not The ones who do evil deeds, The worst people are The ones who do evil things and make the righteous partake in It.
But in my own experience and reflections, we make assumptions about God, such as omnipotence, ominpresence and omiscience based on how our mind would comprehend those things, and we make our assumptions based on our Very limited comprehension of our world, we try to rationalize everything, and while reason is a good thing and necessary thing to have, a Lot of times we might be logically right, we can be Very ethicly wrong; basically every serial killer rationalized in many ways The heinous acts of brutallity they had done
But that's my 5 cents.
God bless you ALL
Ps: excuse me for my kinda faulty english, i'm not a native speaker, cheers! ❤️❤️
Now I am not a religious person, but I do like to think and philosophise about it.
If as assumed god is infinite, omniscient and omnipotent, he naturally is a being we cannot comprehend.
Because we are limited in our own perceptions we naturally try to interpret god as such. To me this means we can never be certain wether we are right or wrong and anything might be true or false.
This is why I believe it's important to question. Both yourself/others and remain open to be questioned. Because trough this game of playing detective you can become closer to "truth", which I in a way interpret as god. If a question shakes ones faith, it may not have been strong enough or you simply do not understand it well enough. Trough searching for truth, that understanding and wisdom could perhaps be reached.
There is a really solid chance I am wrong. After all I don't know all that much about religion. Then again. This is just a comment in a TH-cam comment section among millions of others. I doubt its a large transgression of sorts.
There is an idea I like a lot as a Catholic. "God is Truth", so, if you find something and something is true you should not be afraid (as a believer as I am) that you will go astray, because: truth never denies truth. In this manner, if you somewhat see a question that mind bogles you, you should go to the end because to find the truth will always brings you closer to God. If you see you are going away, maybe your concept of God was weak and wrong or you just didn't got the "truth", but a twisted lie.
This look like just a riddle or a play of words, I swear it is not. I'm really saying that if you find something and this let your faith crack, your faith was weak. Maybe you could read more and study more.
The other extreme I always see is when confronted the believer shy away and don't ask questions or even get away from religion alltogether. I'm very sad when such things happens, bacause the questions which we all have are write in books millenia old and we still think pholosophy would not understand us or that an old religion (in the good sense of "old") would not have aswer all the obvious questions in many ways.
this is what i was looking for, love the Fate / Zero discussion about god. This Video needs more people watching it.
Thank you! This is one I really liked putting together, glad you enjoyed it!
Great video! Love how you break it all down. You should dissect Shirou from the VN and his survivors guilt in the routes!
Thank you! I can't say I have plans for VNs at the moment, but I do think I may try them in the future! : )
The following comment is from a Catholic I struggle with my faith on a day-to-day basis my problem being I am a very logical person so I find it hard to except the more faith given aspects of my religion when inconsistencies show themselves or things that don't make sense I start to doubt and one of the biggest things I wonder is whether or not God truly exists and if he does if he even cares and in the end I have come to one conclusion.
Religion in all its forms is utterly pointless but that does not mean it holds no value. Think about it worshipping a god in the grand scheme of things gains humanity no advantage and maybe the idea of god is just somthing some crackpot came up with. But if a religion congerd by some crackpot teaches us to be better people and kinder to our fellow man and this non-existent God is one that cares for us and loves us is it really a bad thing even if it a lie.
Now I know there are those who use religion for there own benefit but I'm taking about religion in a positive light not negative. Which brings me to my conclusion FOR ME it is better to believe than to not. To put it another why do I want to believe that we are just hear by chance there is no plan and when I die that is the end. OR do I whant to believe that this word and myself was made by a loving God who has a plan for everyone and everything and when I die I will be with him and all my loved ones in an eternal paradise.
Now let me be clear believing can be much harder than being atheist. But to quote Blaise Pascal "if I believe in God and life after death and you do not and there is no God, we both lose when we die. However if there is a God, you still lose and I gain everything."
Damn that French Mathematician is spitting out some wise words.
I'm a Catholic and Code Geass is a very important part of my life. I'm deeply into my faith, but I'm a engeneer, and a Science lover, and way more logic than emotive. If you wish we can talk a little and maybe I can be useful to you (and to me), my brother. There is nothing more complete, if you wish to be rational, than be catholic, you would love to know that, maybe. There is a long way until you get it in this manner. You even said: it's harder to be a believer than a atheist, only if you are a believer full commit. (sorry if my english is off, english is not my 1st language)
To begin you should watch Jordan Peterson and Bishop Barron videos. You will like Peterson's insights into the Bible too.
If no one let us know the Tradition we become lost as our generation is. We need to search for the Tradition my brother, it is wonderful and, believe it or not, rational. Our great Catholic tradition gives rise to the university and to the science itself. We are a religion or thinkers in the core.
Hope I can help you my brother. If you want to talk, call me in the comments. We chat :)
Some of Bishop Barron: th-cam.com/video/GcH_5Iecu5s/w-d-xo.html
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Some of Jordan Peterson: th-cam.com/video/TUD3pE3ZsQI/w-d-xo.html
Some of Jordan Peterson with Bishop Barron: th-cam.com/video/BVrLqpt0APo/w-d-xo.html
I think that last part is wrong imo because it’d be fine if there was only one god but the fact that there are many means what if your worshipping the wrong god you’d just be angering the actual god
Faith in God in a oriented way is an act of exploration. If you stop in the hard questions and turn your eyes away. If you use your so called "faith" as an excuse to be cruel of to do your whim, this is just a lie. You couldn't say "I believe in X" if this is just an utilitarian excuse, it would be a lie as any other.
Thank you for the comments, I'll respond to them here for simplicity : )
To start, I want to explain some of my intension behind the video as well. I failed to state in it that I wasn't presenting my own beliefs, but simply what I drew from the anime. Now, what I interpreted from it is obviously geared to my own thoughts and feelings, so there is some truth to what I said applying to me, but I should have been more clear I was speaking to some degree "for the anime." A good majority of what I said however could be applied to my mindset, which isn't a surprise given it's from my favorite creative in the anime sphere haha.
But to start with the idea of "God is Truth," I think the reason I tend to move away from this kind of mindset is because of my hard science background. I would have been scolded if I went into a situation with a specific outcome in mind haha. And, I do believe the scientific process can be a good extension into many other things, however its forced impartiality also raised issue in some cases, so I can't take it as a guiding principle. In that way, I respect the idea of "God is Truth," because there is a commitment there in exploring unknown territory without fear of losing your guiding principle. If in moral hands, this is probably the superior mindset, but given the lack of morality in Fate/Zero's "faithful" characters, I didn't explore that much here.
When we get into the materialism is where what I believe the messaging of the anime overtakes my own ideas. Although I can't point to a specific belief I have (I haven't explored enough yet to find one I would consider my "truth") I do tend to believe in some meaning to things. When I was reading some of Kant's works, what stood out to me was his reasoning that because humans can act against nature, or our own nature impulses, we have a greater value to ourselves. I think something like that is true, but I haven't read enough to claim anything specific yet.
Where I do tend to be more of a materialist is once again in my scientific background. While both science and religion explain the world, one comes with equations and methods which I can learn, repeat, and apply, while the other doesn't offer "hard evidence" for lack of a better term. Given enough time and energy, I wouldn't have to simply take a doctor's word, I could learn what they know, based on evidence gathered through many iterations and then published, and observe the situation for myself, to reach the same conclusion. This is where I differ in the idea of faith. When I take someone's word for an event I didn't observe, like their past, I do so because there's no other source of information to believe. I can't prove anything about the past, but I can cite the most reliable source. If the person in question proved in the past that they lied often, then I would doubt what they say. To me, that doesn't constitute faith, but an extension of observation through the available means, like a court vetting and taking into account a witness testimony.
But to yield some ground, there's no proving that relationships observed by science weren't put in place by a higher power. While that method of thinking gets discarded by science as something unfalsifiable, and unworthy of debate as such, I do like to believe there is some "universal truth" in the universe. In a way my own form of god, that given enough time and energy, we could "solve" everything and find a fundamental principle that drives existence, which many would say is god. I guess I follow a mix of science and religion in that way.
But, anyway, I've been typing for a while and I'm having a hard time focusing today, so I don't want to ramble too long. I hope what I said here didn't come off confrontational, I hate how I sound over text alone. It's hard to not sound aggressive, and I do genuinely want to approach everything with as open a mind as I can have, without losing myself. So, although I may not agree on everything, I appreciate the comments and the food for thought : )
@@ProfessorViral I'm pleased to read a long response. Thank you by that. Don't be afraid of sounding confrontational, in important discusions we can't help but be a little bit more intense some time, this doesn't mean we are enemies, but we do raelise everyone is serious in a good manner.
I might sound too forceful and close minded in my words, but I swear I'm here to cooperate in the best manner I can manage. And I'm happy to see desagrement, that's the point of commenting in the first place: to talk and to listen.
And when you talk about the search for the truth and the thist for "solving everything" I will say is the same impulse to God that I have. I'm an engineer, a man of Science, no doubt.
You put Science and religon on odds because you think they talk about the same topic, wich they don't. Using religion to talk abou the natural world is like using the Science to talk about the beauty of art. It's a miss use of the tool.
Then you say religon explains the world, but the world it's represented as a place to act. Science will never show you a world of values, Science is a tool to describe a amoral world of objects (do not mistake by imoral, it's amoral). By the same token is not like religion is random at all, if you try to extract a "good morality" your might want a behavior that can be extended forever, of the behavior from which good rules of behavior can be exctracted from. If moral is like "the game you play with others to cooperate across time", religion would be an implicit (uncontious) patter our ancestors exctrated from looking how people ought to behave in society in order to thrive as a community. The 10 commandments even if you don't believe the were God's message, it is at least a good set of rules to the old israelites to live together.
If you think religion is based on no test or observation I ask you to look in another perspective. They are not seeing a world of objects, they are seeing a world of narrative and behavior. Everyone is a character and every life as it's lesson to everyone else.
I write too much, sorry.
Hope you can read and get something out of my madness.
@ProfessorViral I'm really pleased to see you talking about philosophy in Fate/Zero. This anime is awesome and I like you aproach to the videos. Please keep doing it :)
At the same time I was struck by your materialist approach to life at the same time I was thinking "maybe I can be useful here", so, if you will, let me try in this manner: you can't live with no faith (being faith the act of believing in someone word with no other proof than good will). There is a video in this topic that I like a lot: th-cam.com/video/2z4wKCsD59Q/w-d-xo.html
Here goes an example: I begin to talk to you and maybe we like the talk. Some other meetings goes by and me and you became friends, so there gonna be a point I may say to you something you couldn't ever proof by your senses. Something like mt past with my parents, or the way I love some book, or some fact that happened 5 years ago, etc. Of course you will see if what I say is reasonable. If I said I could fly last week, but lost my powers you will not believe, but if I say to you something reasonable you can (and is propable that you will) believe my words with no evidence of what I say.
I think a true and strong faith is some of this same type: I will not believe something totally absurd. At the same time I will know the frontier of my own senses. As I believe the science that I can't understand, but I can trust the scientists that studied it and I can study more myself (as I do with religion).
I would like to know what you think too :)
*I should say: Fate/Zero and it metaphor in many ways helps me in my Catholic faith, it's an amazing reflection into the many ways this same faith can go wrong.
(hope my english is enought clear because it's not my 1st language and I do struggle with it)
Gilgamesh was birthed literally by a goddess...well 1/3 god he made Kirei do all that shit cuz it's all part of keikkaku
Ah, are his actions in Fate/Zero explained in other Fate media as all part of larger plan?
@@ProfessorViral ah sadly no... infact the Gilgamesh we see in fate zero is not the same Gil we see in fate stay night or unlimited blade works. In fate zero he was compelling to watch but in other media he's just a jerk
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It's just because I script everything. It's a long process and I'm no better than most people! But I appreciate the compliment
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