Tesla’s Full Self-Driving Rollout with Quinn of
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 พ.ค. 2024
- This week Marques and Andrew talk about the new Amazon Astro robot for a bit before getting Quinn of Snazzy Labs on the phone to dig deep into the Tesla FSD beta rollout. They also talk about the new Rivian R1T that Quinn got to drive. It's a fun one!
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:31 Amazon Astro discussion
17:14 Wondrium (Sponsored)
18:24 Talking Rivian and Tesla with Quinn from Snazzy Labs
50:12 A Race to Z
53:24 Key points from the conversation
59:00 Outro
Links:
/ wvfrm
/ mkbhd
/ andymanganelli
/ snazzyq
/ adamlukas17
/ wvfrmpodcast
shop.mkbhd.com
/ discord
Music by 20syl: bit.ly/2S53xlC
Quinns Rivian R1T video: bit.ly/2ZNq5Lm
Amazon Astro (Verge): bit.ly/2Wrt2jh
Amazon Astro (Vice): bit.ly/3mdlSYR
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When is linus coming? This was very enjoyable. Quinn is the man.
Aren't you waiting for a Tesla roast! :V
I think your safety score is actually more of the vehicle’s safety score. It’s based more on the environment around the car.
Tesla wants to ensure that the car that has the FSD is in a relatively safe environment. That’s why people cutting you off dings “your” safety score as they don’t want to put FSD into that environment until it’s ready.
Per Quinn’s example, putting FSD in Kansas is much better than putting it in New York.
my first thought was that it's unfair to people in packed cities. but as you pointed out, that's probably intentional.
Came here to say exactly this. It makes more sense how the "safety score" is structured when you think about it assessing not only the driver but also the environment around it.
"and then they'll all be on one floor together 😊"
i lost it 😂
I will admit I saw this on Reddit, but I definitely agree with it. The safety score is not all about judging you as a driver. It is about an analysis of you AND your driving environment. Yes, you may HAVE to brake quickly when people cut you off, and you may get FCW if another driver does something dumb. But that is a reflection on your driving conditions, which can increase your accident chance especially if the car is driving itself. And that is what Tesla cares about. They don't want FSD released in difficult conditions first; they would rather have people driving down straight farm roads in Kansas start, then trickle down to more and more complex situations where collision chances are higher. That way they get to add more and more information as time goes on.
Good point. Perhaps they should have called it the “Autonomous driving complexity score” instead to encompass the drivers ability and attentiveness combined with the difficulty of the driving environment that they are typically using the car in.
I really like watching these podcasts as i get to learn something new every week and it is fascinating that tech is so diverse.
That was an EXTREMELY fun video to watch. He was really cool! Gonna check out his channel. Liked this week much better than the space race video last week
I honestly LOVE my Roborock S4 robot vaccum. I got it 2 years ago for $350 and it is the most perfect little robot. They have newer ones (more pricey) ones that do a decent job mobbing in addition to vaccuming and also have a pricey dock thay makes managing it even easier. It's super smart and has lots of features like no-go zones for areas that get the robot stuck like high carpets or separations in the floor and won't throw itself down stairs, lol.
If you could just add a camera to that and the same security features described for the astro like checking on a noise before heading back to its dock, then I'd already be set. Don't need it to do anything else :P
love this show, but damn its nice to see Quinn in here! get more snazzy more often!
Instead of astro going into a compartment in your fridge to get a drink maybe Amazon or third parties could design a mini-fridge around astro that would allow it to get drinks without human intervention. That sounds like a more reasonable thing to me.
A company should just build a microfridge with an electric drivetrain (that could roll over dividers) and huge battery that could drive itself over to your couch and sit their unplugged for hours keeping your drinks cool. And they could add support so that you can summon it using Alexa. This is one of the problems where I want the specialized robot to do it really well.
@@samdcbu well as much as I think this is not a bad ideia, the fridge wouldn’t be able to do all the other things that Astro (supposedly) does, like patrolling around at night or streaming live footage of your house to your phone when you’re out.
So making a robot with potencial to have peripherals made for it in order to increase it’s functionality might be the way go with household bots.
Or....hear me out... humanoid 🤖 😂
@@KennyFlagg Well yeah I don’t have nothing against humanoid robots but I just don’t think they’re gonna be around anytime soon, doesn’t matter what Elon says about the Teslabot. It’s just that we don’t have anything remotely close to that yet so I’ll believe it when I see it.
That intro is everything
Come on TH-cam...why am I getting the notification 1 week later....
Great interview!
It seems the Amazon folks started with the premise 'Lets make a robot on wheels that would be cool' and worked backwards from there.
Hopefully it's usecase is more defined over time
The phenomenon of seeing something everywhere that Marquez was talking about in a minute 44 is when your reticular cortex is turned on toward that thing. Like seeing electric trucks everywhere
Reticular activating system
the dopamine level when it drops is "DOPE"
Safety score is not the judgment on the driver. It’s an assessment of car’s overall safety, driver is just one aspect of it. Your local area driving patterns, weather conditions, road conditions etc also contribute to how safe your car is. Tesla is concerned about the probability of accidents and safe driving is just one part of the equation.
Well said !
No not really. It tells you what the 5 scoring factors. Its measuring how safe you drive. The speeds of your turn, hard breaking and stuff like that. Autopilot does not affect your score
@@toptiertech7291 I think OP is saying there are factors outside the driver’s control that reduce the score and unfairly rate the driver. Some of these include a kid running into the street or deer darting out of woods which requires hard breaking. Another is getting cut-off on the highway triggering unsafe following. Surely, there are many more.
@@toptiertech7291 Where did I say autopilot affects your score? Nowhere. My point is Tesla cares about probability of accidents for the car not the driver, because car insurance (or liability) follows the car, not the driver. Check the safety score web page on Tesla website. Second to last answer in the FAQ clearly mentions that the safety score follows the car not the driver. If you and your partner share a car, the score for the vehicle will be affected by both drivers proportionally. Tesla doesn't track or care about who is the driver.
My point was counter to what Quinn and Marques said in the video. They kinda complained about how things like abrupt braking and cut ins can't be avoided but do affect the score. Thats precisely the idea. If your car is operated in environments where cut ins and close distance driving is common than those things have to be factored on the probability of accident of THE CAR.
Interesting! Nice video ✌️
30:00 Welcome to the world of supervised fleet driving. Every mile is monitored for speed, handling, braking regardless of the conditions that surround that moment. I added a dash cam in the event these metrics are applied negatively towards me or in the case of a collision. My regular driving score floats between 96-98/100. My negative hits are usually speed but anyone that’s driven I-95 knows the speed limit is uh, more like guidelines.
If you go the speed limit on I-95 you're probably in more danger 😂
he didn't even look at his keyboard, what a professional
I would totally use it to follow me playing a podcast because I can keep the volume at conversation level.
This episode is about Andrew asking for a payrise
"I really like the Rivian but I can't afford it" *wink wink*
I am very happy with my current salary! I just don't prioritize my car as one of the places I like to splurge! As cool as I think it is, we just bought a house and are hoping to start a family soon so I'd rather have a lower car payment. The R1T does look SICK though.
@@Manganellia1 I couldn't resist the joke :)
That said, I completely agree with your priorities and wish you (and the team) all the best
Off topic but would be cool to see a comparison between 60 fps and 120 fps gameplay on PS5 now that you have the new RED camera. Would also be able to peep pixels and see if performance and high fidelity mode have that much of a difference
Three points:
1) The reason why you had to slam on the breaks or follow too close doesn’t matter. You were in a position that was higher risk. The goal is to use the lowest risk people first. Whether it is based on location or driving style it doesn’t matter.
2) It’s still beta and the fastest way to get past the beta to use the safest drivers first, not the loudest who paid first or the most.
3) The cost of FSD wasn’t $10k in 2015. It was cheaper with less features and increased as more features have become accessible.
That third point...its so frustrating that people conveniently ignore that. People who bought FSD for $6000 for instance, are experiencing $4000 worth of added value for free. imagine owning something with $4000 worth of added value for free and thinking you have somehow been short-changed? lol and some people have the audacity to call it a scam.
As far as the safety score, if your in auto pilot it doesn't ding you. They are wanting you to be in AP.
Also, because you can game it doesn't mean everyone is. I'm in the mid 90's just being more patient, staying in AP, and taking corners slower.
putting the screen and speaker on a spot and add the robot arm, you have a cool product that get you stuff from your fridge :-).
…. aaaand they just said that on the pod cast :-).
I love when people who don't live in TX talk about trucks
If you love in TX you get where I'm coming from
Will say I love the video version but I never watch it because I always get the audio version first and have already listened to it. To increase retention, maybe releasing both at the same time would work better. I’d love to watch the video version but I can never seem to wait around for it
Another one let's goooooo
Reddy?
I agree with everything you guys said about the fact people paid for FSD years ago and might never have gotten it. It is definitely a "buyer beware" situation. I am not defending Tesla's decision. When I bought, I test drove the car with FSD and decided if it was worth it even if it never got any better. I also took into account that regulation here in Germany may stay stricter than in the US and I may never get the same level of autonomy.
People paid for FSD, not FSD Beta. Once FSD actually comes out, they’ll have it. But they’ll have to wait to see if they can get the Beta which does not provide actual FSD.
People paid 10k years ago for software that they didn't have the option to buy it later. All these Teslas are capable of doing the FSD so telling people they can't just wait until its fully ready to pay for it is a scam. Then it can't transfer vehicles so if someone totals your Tesla then you have to pay another 10k.
I think there’s a lot of confusion here. As far as I remember, you did not buy FSD or FSD beta or whatever. You bought the „potential for full self driving“ and got some promises like „autonomous driving in city streets until the end of 2019“. As MKBHD always says, never buy hardware in the promise of future updates. Since I was satisfied with the capabilities of Auto Pilot in 2019 and thought that no other car company will sell me anything close to it, I opted to pay 6k € back then. Also, i never planned to sell the car after a couple of years but to drive it until it’s dead. In that case, 6k was OK for me. But paying 10k especially on a lease when you may never get what you paid for, is just really shitty. Nowadays I would just do the subscription during the months I travel a lot.
The try outs for good driving should be available before purchase
The typing test at the end was honestly one of my favorite parts.
The Safety Score is about both (A) how safe of a driver are you? and (B) how challenging is the environment in which you're driving? You can be a safe driver, but if you're navigating I-95 commute traffic into NYC each day, you'll never have a high safety score. If you live in a rural town with no intersections and straight roads with little traffic, it's super easy to have a high score. Tesla is covering their asses with this Safety Score, too.
Do you guys play Parcels in the credits? that's cool!
Astro, get me a beer. Amazon: you have been cut off...
The alphabet race, is the new 'star in a reasonable priced car'. I see what you did there 👏
I see Quinn I click :D
This guy is not biased at all.
oh yeah 👊👍
The accessibility factor will be driver-less taxis which can basically operate forever. Most people probably won't even own a car.
Wow that’s a good inference of the future which might happen. Great Idea, who knows it might actually happen
Something I think about with the ford f 150 is that they average 900,000 sold a year which means in the last two years they’ve sold more of that one vehicle than all types of tesla vehicles ever sold ever.
My safety score is 98 and I'm over here sweating it. I'm just kinda mad I got a huge ding of unsafe following on a trip which I think is either a bug or city driving doesn't get accounted for correctly. Also Elon and people who blindly believe him SWEAR autopilot doesn't count towards the score when enabled but I question that based on a few trips.
I wouldn't think much about score unless you want to be first to test it. I'm rather wait a month or two until more people testing it and a lot of bug is hammer out.
Hey congrats 👏
My teacher told me once on how to think about percentiles. If everybody is thinking the test is hard then it actually doesn't matter how much your score is, it only matters how many people are ahead of you. So literally, you can have a negative score and be in the top tier. So basically at the end of the day it's just a queue that you need to be in front line of. It's irrelevant as long as everyone is getting judged on same metrics.
Stay snazzy 😁😁😁
I would like to take the Tesla safety test, but doubt it’s possible now because FSD was not purchased. The FSD subscription might make sense for a road trip, but have heard many say AP is good enough, save your money for something else.
Thoughts on Astro:
I agree as an able-bodied 20-something that Astro doesn't excite me. However, thinking outside my own box I could see Astro coming in handy for senior citizens. I imagine an older couple (probably doesn't have stairs in their home anyways), Grandpa plopped on the LA-Z-Boy, Grandma knitting in a different room.... I digress. I could see Astro having plenty to do in that household in regards to making their everyday life a little easier, bringing things to each other, reminding them to take their medicine at specific times everyday. Also would be great for video chatting with the grandkids, etc. The caveat here is that the "senior citizen" demographic probably isn't going to have the patience or tech-savvy to unbox and set up an Astro.
So yes Astro is dumb for us youngins, but I think it has huge potential for positive impact with other groups of people.
I think this is the first time, a guest or from MKBHD Team who has improved his score continuously in the 3 attempts.
Watch long way up in apple TV where they used rivian truck earlier build which shows its capabilities...
Snazzy is awesome
i liked cybertruck, they will updates more specifics in near production
Having Quinn was super nice.
Love to know your thoughts on Tesla insurance using the safety score for insurance rates in the future.
Can someone please tell me where to find this intro song? Absolute banger
That robot was checking Marques out...😄
Besides, AI is king. 😁
To add; being good in software development like another company all depends on the engineers who do the coding...if you need to copy some tactics, then do esp. when it's open source...Just saying...😁
Does Tesla care whether a safety score is determined solely by user input or also takes into account their environment?
If Tesla had to choose whether to pick someone from rural Kansas or the same driver in heavily populated NYC, they would choose the person in Kansas because it’s a generally safer place to drive based on their factors.
Previously they’ve done it by location, along with looking at the driver and how safe they drive, so this should be no different.
99.999% is known as "5 nines." It is equal to 5 minutes of downtime PER YEAR.
525,595 minutes of perfection out of every 525600 minute of driving.
Why isn't this podcast on Spotify??
Min 13:45 what about knees recognition??
When did this become the Tesla show?
Did you play on windchill?
The point of these devices is to help establish robot etiquette for the future social integration.
Quinn is here.It is going to be a hell of a podcast.
Is autonomous driving really safe if there are people actually driving around you
I would LOVE a speaker following me around
I think you got the wrong guy. The picture you showed of this Quinn guy doesn't match up with the thumbnail 🤔
The real Quinn is more like an audiophile viking.
🙆♂️
The driver score gives me PTSD to when a driver safety box was installed on my work truck. I would drive over a small pothole and the dumb box would saying "aggressive driving". 😤
I know a handful of truck drivers and only 1 tows. Most use it for the bed
a more ideal format should be something close to BB8. quite a bit more durable. maybe the spherical walker that expands into that crab walk.
Don't just look at today, tech will keep getting better. So, it's just a question of when Self driving will be standard in all car, not just in Tesla.
I’d have to go with ‘no robot’. We, as humans, need to do things for ourselves, if we are able. Maybe there is a use case if we can’t? Maybe for security? Even that is iffy.
Which dbrand skin is that on marques’ MacBook?
i think its the black ICONS from dbrand
Astro, seems like one of those Executive classic "big" visionary projects that went down the hill. Executive is not in the team and marketing tries to make stupid use cases for the public.
Yo!!! Snazzy!!!!!!!!
"Ground State" - The place where all Astros come to rest after having fallen down all the staircases in a building
#1
The Amazon robot seems absolutely ridiculous yet I’m happy they are making it. Without having the useless first step, it will take longer to develop and figure out the second iteration which will actually be useful. Sort of like the Tesla Roadster 1-super expensive and terrible battery, yet it was the first step towards the amazing Model 3.
wuuuuup
Amazon Astro = WALL-E
Calling the F150 a "smaller truck" is such an american thing to say 😅
Here in Europe we consider the Ford Ranger as quite a big truck 🤣
Full self driving 😂😂 yeah like that is going to happen
Do LINUS!
I will never for the life of me, understand why people complain about the FSD they bought not being feature complete....when the very selling point was that you get to lock in a cheaper price, by buying FSD before it is feature complete. People who bought FSD for $6000 are currently experiencing $4000 worth of added value for free yet yall think Tesla is somehow finessing or misleading the customer. Anyway, excellent show despite my one disagreement with yall at 24:00
But you can’t transfer it between vehicles, which kinda blows.
Team crispy members on the podcast please.
The Astro trailer looks like an april fools video
Tesla can absolutely be one of the most innovative and fascinating car companies In our entire history.
And at the same time a bit of a joke xD
Same goes for Elon.
Personally, I'm happy for the entertainment.
And if something good comes of it. Neat!
52:53 Today I learned that I've been mispronouncing Topre wrong this entire time.
I thought it was "toe - pray"
Also Marques calling a Topre keyboard "membrane" just incurred the wrath of Topre lovers everywhere
Isn't Rivian backed by Amazon, can't they get some software help there?
backwards seats and projector on the windshield is not optimistic when right now in Phoenix the passenger has no access to the wheel and no one is driving and waymo takes the entire liability.....if tesla takes the entire liability and u don't have to touch anything they can roll it out in some areas already
Astro is the dog from the Jetsons.
If the astro could vacuum it would be way way better.
Given a choice of the most safe driver of a massive death machine or hurting someone’s feelings….
My Enhaced auto pilot has smart summon
Wall-E + Eve = Astro
They should be focusing more on the fact that Tesla is providing drivers with an excellent scorecard for safe driving that is only going to get much better.
Amazon bot vs Tesla bot,, is like New Shephard vs Starship.
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Just feel compelled to say: No, there is no universe, in NYC or Kansas or anywhere else, where going more than 50 mph and following less than 1 second behind the car in front of you is safe. Stopping distance is a thing, human reaction time is a thing, and no way do they add up to that ever being safe or good idea.
(Sorry for sounding huffy - love MKBHD and the podcast and this is nothing personal, but I've known people who have died in a pileup, which easily could have been avoided with greater following distance.)
Quinn is the only person is trust with Tesla opinions - he isn't a hater or a fanboy.
Please buy an Astro and post a short of it throwing itself down the stairs
Re Tesla
One thing that perplexes me… if they think solar power is so nifty, why don’t they install solar panels and batteries at their suprtchargers?
Because there is a ton more power requirements for superchargers than a typical household (charging on a v3 supercharger at max amps would be an equivalent power draw of a ~100 average houses). The solar farm would need to be massive, something generally not possible where superchargers are located.
Also, I assume (but cannot confirm) that battery packs would be unable to consistently draw 250kw of power to many supercharger spots 24/7.
@@michaelhodges7127
Thx MICHAEL
Certainly I understand that solar could not come close to allowing an off grid super charger
But (assuming it could be connected). It would reduce the amount of power required from the grid…..which seems consistent with Tesla goals
As far as the power connection itself…. I assume there would be some way to design the needed wiring …I mean, home users have power walls…. And also charge their car…. So I am guessing this issue is less complicated than fusion energy
Thx again for your thoughts
it mUsT be Friday
All because in US everyone loves to sue. 🙃