@@SleepyRuluI thought it was because of the low shorts (like very high above your knees, but as high as your hip line) Along with 2 lines showing, looking like what would be her undergarments
I remember seeing a tweet comparing the song to Monitoring bc at the beginning there's a lyric that's censored that implies miku heard the guy... y'know... but the whole song is a misdirection as the guy is imaging most of the lyrics as miku is just a random office worker who is worried about her neighbour and he mistakes her worry as her wanting to make fun of him or her being obsessed with him. Like you cannot compare the two, it's crazy
@@NuMIoH yeah, she probably said something like she heard him whimpering from crying but the guy misunderstands it as something else thus leaving him to think she's making fun of him
Thats what happens..when the popularity comes the weirdness happens or its easier to spot In this case i think the weirdness just came with fame than it being from before I stand corrected they were a weirdo before but now it’s being spotted
people who call it chibi need to learn what chibi is, because you can take an adult character, make them chibi and you'll still be able to tell the character is an adult
Along with the INTENTION and "marketing". For example: Chibidoki (a vtuber) has a chibi model that, in my eyes, doesnt look like an adult--- but so far she only "markets" herself as an unhinged gremlin menance instead of something sus
@@yami_yomiel ooh wait i love that thats so interesting [as someone with it] i think pedophillic themes [or any bad themes] can be shown in media its just theres a very clear difference between when it's made to make the audience feel disgusted vs aroused [and mimukauwa, unfortunately, does the latter. ew . .]
characters who look loli but are '2000 years old' are loli. it doesnt matter if the character actually a child in age. Its about the appearance of the character. If the character look like a little girl, its a loli.
in my opinion, they have to be sexualized in as way in order to be seen as “loli”. an example of a reverse in this sense is Wamuu from jjba, he looks like a grown man and his age is in the thousands, however the age equivalent to that in human standards is just a teenager. I feel like the “looks young but is actually a billion years old or whatever” trope can only work without sexualization.
Some people said that "oh new vocaloid fans being dramatic blah blah blah" but in this case they're right. Like its not mikus age we're talking about, its about what she IS on this MV
Not to mention people have ALWAYS been talking against loli shit in the fandom, like when that atrocity Loli Island came out. Even worse that the creator used Voicebanks voiced by actual CHILDREN for it,, Like I get that the small loud few that take Miku's 'canon' so seriously they attack any derivitaves have sorta warped the 'older' fans to becoming gatekeepy/dismissive but people have always spoken out against loli/pedo shit!
@@awesomeTerrarian Don't respond to them just obvious ragebait account they joined today the more attention you give them the more they think that people care bout their words
6:10 im pretty sure that the name “pure pure” is just the title channelstation(the creator of the popular mv) put as the sfw of their rabbit hole mv, for some reason people just decided that rabbit hole miku is not miku but a character named pure pure who has a similar design to miku. In other words, channelstation rabbit hole mv miku is a miku variant.
it isn't miku-- like, say, margarita from evillious chronicles, is based off of miku. pure pure ≠ miku, pure pure is a VERSION of miku, a version that is an adult.
@@aceofclubs. pure pure just doesn't make sense, cuz that's the animator's name who didn't even make the song or character design. it might as well just be rabbit hole miku
@@aceofclubs.pure pure IS a version of Miku and therefore is Miku. Pure Pure was made by chanelcastation as the design is a bit different from the Miku in the mv in Rabbit hole. Even if in Rabbit Hole Miku is different, so that means that its another version of her design, its till her. Miku’s design, age and story variates from your hcs, song and story. So any ‘Miku’s version’ is technically still Miku Hope that helps /nm
Ngl, as someone who’d watched some of ぬぬぬ videos before it’s not surprising at all. They drew Zundamon as looking really young and still did suggestive things (ex, having them tied up and their clothes partially off) , and even made an animation of Kaai Yuki (who’s voiced by an actual child) on a website with the corn hub colours/logo…personally that was weird to me but I didn’t really see anyone talk about it. Also comparing it to Rabbit Hole even though Deco*27 literally has a song titled Sad Girl Sex is pretty funny to me (both Deco songs still have Miku appearing like an adult, but I think my autism makes it hard to guess how old people are so correct me if I’m wrong).
I find it really funny that Deco doesn’t care about the whole rabbit hole drama and made Sad Girl Sex, a song with the world Sex front and center in the title
I think it’s weird that people act like Loli is the norm in Japan, most people in Japan will still think you are weird for liking it. It may be more socially acceptable there but most people are not for it.
we have no idea on knowing if it is the norm or not there, when majority of the Japanese artists/creators online act like it’s okay and that’s all that gets translated to us
Comparing Nice Try to Rabbit Hole is CRAZY. I swear people only conveniently remember that the vocaloid product is advertised with "canon ages" when the content that's being made with it is s3xually suggestive, but never when it's songs where vocaloid is used for an elderly character, or a character committing mrdr (not exclusive to adults, but most commonly carried out by adults). I've been saying this and I'll say it again: instead of worrying about an artist using an ADULT'S VOICE to create content that discusses s3xuality, perhaps worry about why CFM thought that creating a teenage anime girl mascot for their music software would sell better, AND WHY THEY HAVE BEEN RIGHT ABOUT THAT EVERY SINGLE TIME SINCE. No SERIOUSLY, every SINGLE vocaloid/vocal synth software advertised with a cute anime girl that is confirmed to be underage sells WAY better than any software that doesnt feature that. it is a WEIRD consistency that always makes me bristle.
For me, the issue is less about Miku's voice and more about how Deco went about the MVs for Rabbit Hole and Sad Sex Girl. He can and does commission artists to draw characters other than Miku for the MVs of his songs (including recent ones like Neverland, as well as earlier sexual ones, eg. Otome Dissection), but for some reason he not only deliberately chose, but paid to have a body-pillow style illustration for Rabbit Hole. Deco also started his short-form video social media campaign featuring PJSK Miku models modded to wear skimpy clothing dancing to his songs at the same time Rabbit Hole released. That, combined with Deco occasionally posting fictional conversations he has with Miku, and the way he's only used her voicebanks since 2008... It's hard for me to believe that there isn't something there. ...Also, Teto SV is the second most used voicebank currently and she's 30. Though I'm also not going to act like the 'cons aren't probably on chimera age copium about it, or that seeing Una SV or another SV bank supersede her in 2025 won't happen (will depend on SV2 and how many popular producers pick up Una or any new vbs that come out).
It's because Japan has an obsession with youth culture/things that are associated with young people. So characters who are young adults tend to sell well. I recommend Gaijin Goomba's video on it. It's called "WTF is Japan's High School Fetish!?"
@@network0423the models you're talking about are called decomiku and they're deco's original variants of Miku. They also have nothing to do with pjsk, these are original models. As for teto I'm pretty sure her age was a joke as for most utaus. She was designed to look and act like a teenager, not a grown 31 yo adult and most people associate her with being 15.5 yo anyway
rabbit hole is a banger proud to say I never hated on it cause she’s an adult and the song has an actual meaning besides sexual things (being afraid of being in a committed relationship)
@mksk4395 well they next really said that miku was an adult or a minor, Since miku can be written as any age its more of "you got to guess what age she is" and also because shes a robot so she really doesn't have an age in my opinion though it's quite obvious that miku in "rabbit hole" is an adult because of the lyrics and how she's presented in the song but ah i could be wrong
Reminder that, not all suggestive songs using mikus VB are loli. Hatsune Miku is a vocal synthisis, making her an instrument. Her advertising age may be 16, but she can be anything, kind of like Barbie, but she sings. Same goes for other Vocaloids, unless the voice provider was a child, like Kaai Yuki. Anyways, I did not know about the MV to this song, and thought it was good, but now I know, I dislike it. Also, I did not know about nununu's weird online behaviour! That's disgusting!
I love when people think sexual intended characters are bad ONLY when they want, we have nobody comin after angeldust (i hate him with a passion) , but Oh when its the tho cyan tailed haired girl @@defokochuan
I could sense the potential sexual themes in this song , but due to the outfit(s) she was wearing, I was thinking the Miku in this was just a shorter adult. That may seem like a bit of a cope, but as somebody myself who is 23, 5'2, has a bit of a baby face and has a higher pitched voice, I was hoping maybe finally short adults got some rep, but the explanation of this Miku's title makes it pretty clear it's not.
Same, and l honestly didn't get the implications when I watched it? Like to me it was someone actively trolling thier friend, it's freaking uno. There are dozens of uno memes out there with the same premise as the song
i was surprised that people were taking offense to a relatively benign music video (from what i've seen of it, anyway) but then i remembered that minors today are addicted to outrage and cancel culture lol
I find it kinda funny how everyone keeps talking about how nununununununu is a lolicon but no one is talking about what satapanP is also a lolicon too💀(satapanP also makes brainrot shorts now and is kind of becoming a content farm channel)
SatapanP fell off hard, their last two songs barely got any views I have no clue if they're still doing the shorts tho I didn't see any new shorts after the one promoting hetchaka(?)
Given UNO Miku's black eyes with white irises, and smug/condescending nature, I thought she was supposed to be a demon or something. I thought there was a hidden story going on where this demonic Miku and you (the person she's singing to) are in a UNO match deciding whether or not she gets to keep your soul. I thought THAT was why she was so especially smug and happy over her seemingly assured victory. I thought that was fun. Thus, I also totally thought that like, oh, okay, yeah, she looks small because it's a chibi artstyle. Cute! Cool! Contrasts with her nature well. I like it. Hearing that Nununu himself considers her to be 10, uh... gave me a feeling of visceral disgust, to say the least. I was also definitely confused by the "neko :3" stuff in the MV. like. ok? what's this gotta do with the plot it sucks, because a good part of why I like the song is the MV. I'm not the biggest fan of the way Miku is tuned, but I like the fun idea behind the MV's plot (especially with what I thought it was) and the fun tweened animations that go with the vocals/instrumental ("you're an idiot" moment comes to mind). I really like the flow of the chorus, though I totally get the sounds being distracting/disorienting lol. tldr i thought the uno miku song was going for something entirely different and enjoyed it for its silliness and creativity and it turns out it's... not as harmless as i thought...
The vocaloids are instruments but the thing is that the way nunu is using miku and their past history and the outfits? You cannot deny the song is lolibait. I mean nunu isnt even hiding it
@GenesisParaki can we just (not) appreciate how this guy made his account 37 minutes ago just to post ragebait? :) (no, seriously. do something better with your time.) edit: OHHHH!!! IT'S A BOT!!! Y'all just report and stuff, bots on youtube aren't usually coded that well :P
@GenesisParaki You are a child, step back from videos on topics like this. You obviously don't understand how seriously harmful it is to try and justify things like lolis. Educate yourself.
@GenesisParaki you know, i dont have the energy to be that rude right now, so i'll leave you to it. i obviously don't support your statements, but everyone is entitled to their own words. i would suggest that you keep your interests private to the wider parts of the web, it could lead to harassment. all i really want to say, is that a lot of people dont like loli, and i prefer to stay with that side. i said hi, and now i will say goodbye :)
Personally, I just do not like this kind of sexualized content at all (and not just because I'm ace). Typically people that enjoy theses kinds of videos/fanart/etc. will give the excuse that "the characters aren't real! it's totally okay! they're just 2D!" but this only perpetuates the problem of showing minors in a light they are not at all meant to be shown in. Some people think there's nothing wrong with videos like this, and I'm glad more and more people are speaking out against the existence of these types of "bait" and--exactly how you put it--"content" videos.
Your argument can be tweaked a little and it will perfectly descibe Blue Archive. I got nothing against the game and I know this is the wrong place to say this, I just want to get this out there...
@@castielzz Stripper/playboy Miku? Of all characters to get GROSSED OUT BY in a "Haram" outfit, you chose to be grossed out by Miku? I mean, MAKES SENSE AS WELL TO BE DISGUSTED BY ANYTHING IN A PLAYBOY BUNNY SUIT!
Shoutout to the girl who commented 64 times (and counting) and counting in the replies of these comments, who literally made their account an hour ago 😭😭😭 the engagement on this video is about to skyrocket
Tuning vocaloid to not sound like themselves can be a skill (hiiragikirai does it in a GREAT way for example) and nununu CLEARLY does not possess that skill 😭😭😭 she sounds like a 5 year old that smoked 10 packs a day 💀💀
I mean I doubt they're doing that, other than like maybe a small very online twitter group who assume thag because the wiki says Miku is 17/white that any different interpretation is horrible and awful Like for example, fucking HATE Masa, the guy. But his Onibi series is his only good work. I listen to reuploads of it. I would go the "ohhh this community has a problem" although that's like. Every community, the sentiment would just lump in innocents with the weirdos
Anyhoo, if ya wanna listen to the song but not support the creator, I reccomend looking at remixes/covers! Would give you the closest thing without giving Nunu-Nonce views
@GenesisParaki I really hope you’re just ragebaiting.. i can already tell with that pfp and what you just said Edit: THIS IS A BOT LMAOOOO IT WAS MADE 35 MINUTES AGO WHEN I CHECKED Edit 2: when also said that they are 13 but identify as 16 years old wtf
@k4rr0t._.dragonz i like msi and stuff but i just download songs ciugh cough illegally cough cough and stream them that way without giving support to the creator 😋😋😋
Finally, someone is talking about this! I made a post about this a couple of weeks ago, but I had to take it down due to personal reasons. It's disgusting how people excuse this content just because it's miku.
@@dr.BACON_BABY They're ragebait account they're trying to get people mad for like few seconds of attention since they probably don't get much outside of TH-cam comments or something like that
idk if it's just me but there are seriously so many better things to worry about than some random person making vocaloid fetish songs of characters who do not exist.
@GenesisParakiThis thinking is DUMB. Your argument is pointless because fiction is a reflection of what you enjoy. It makes you cry, smile and ven touches your heart. It teach you things. Its is incredibly weird and futile to think that it doesn't affect reality
I really love this song and at first I thought you were explaining the difference between Mesugaki Miku and regular Miku innocently, I didn’t even notice that she had childlike features and is suggestive in any way. I’m actually disappointed because I was obsessed with this song only a few days ago. Thanks for bringing awareness to me.
You can still like the song. No need for moral outrage based on fictional, barely suggestible content. It'd be sad if you just stop yourself from enjoying certain content based on the "awerness" if arbitrary moral guidelined put upon it by others
@@hampter-poemin regards to lolicon, it's more often than not meant to be that the loli is wearing the guy's shirt which implies intimacy, the reason the shirt in question is big is to further emphasise the height difference and the childlike body of the loli. It's also a fantasy
The oversized shirt thing isn't about that. Based on a translation (Boyfriend's Shirt Ver.), the shirt is meant to be from her boyfriend a.k.a. the player she's playing UNO with. Honestly, that makes her actions and the overall context of the song not only make complete sense, but also that it's really cute and wholesome.
Ngl i really liked the video for its animations (apart from the weird cat-maid outfit or whatever that was), and i didn’t mind the song that much. But i genuinely paid no attention to any of the other weird sh1t in it. Thank you for clearing that up!!
Honestly I’m not surprised nunu is a lolicon considering another one of their songs features zundamon, who is a vocaloid with VERY childlike features, in an outfit that’s very similar to uno mikus ☹️..
Zundamon isnt a Vocaloid but a UTAU who also has a CeVIO and a SynthV (like teto) sorry im not trying to be an annoying fan but my perfectionism is uhm very harsh. Cough pls dont hate me
@GenesisParakiThis thinking is DUMB. Your argument is pointless because fiction is a reflection of what you enjoy. It makes you cry, smile and ven touches your heart. It teach you things. Its is incredibly weird and futile to think that it doesn't affect reality
@@Caelesistis_Aurealis leta not give bait to them especially if theyre claimjng to be 13 in their bio 😭😭 but ur thougts are valid its just better off nit to reply to them cuh
@@awesomeTerrarian looking at his official channel, i already knew bro was weird with the thumbnails 😭😭 one literally depicts zundamon as a baby in a blanket with a pacifier. Not to mention the "femboy zundamon" mv... 😰😰😰
It’s weird hearing the complaints about the design while drawing a character that looks like a child in the background with exposed legs and thigh highs The self awareness is off the charts here
Imma be honest I didn't even realized she was meant to be a loli till people pointed it out, thought it was just a more cutsey art style and Miku was drunk or something
When I saw the MV I literally got traumatized since I could tell she was A LITTLE GIRL, and when I saw some of the comments some of them said “it’s just l0li bait!” And it literally just made me sick.
its a drawing, a cartoon, but if it does give you such a reaction please avoid it. but i dont understand personally why people seem to address this things like its the same as being a person who preys on real kids. though, i admit myself, i can find some content that goes too far disgusting but this? i do not see the issue, personally
REAL!!!! i saw someone saying 'shes 16 how is it lolibait' like look at the design and how they drew her and tell me that character looks anywhere near 16
I’ve known who ぬぬぬ was for quite a while now, but I had no idea that they had *that* kind of intention. I really liked Mimukauwa Nice Try when the song came out, but I didn’t realize that it was just pure loli content. This is just another example of enjoy the art (or in this case, music), not the artist.
Yeah same, really liked the song, never knew about this problem because I always see Miku in that video as an adult, didn't know it was intended to be loli
Loli doesn't even mean "child". It's for a cutesy female anime/manga character. While a portion of lolis are underaged, it doesn't mean all of them are. The only requirements are a short and petite frame with a cutesy design.
@@Trankuiru, I don't really think loli or lolicon are necessarily bad on their own. The material and characters are completely fictional and made for entertainment.
@@PKSuperStar256 Yeah, just like how Qiqi in genshin is like thousands (or hundreds, I can’t remember) of years old. The only time it really becomes a problem is when it is sexualized like in mimukawa nice try.
@Amberglazed, it's not a problem. It's a fictional character. You don't have to like the idea of a character being depicted in a certain way. You could find something like this in anime series rated TV-14 or (in less strong cases) TV-PG. I personally don't care. I like the song and music video anyway because it's overall very cute and wholesome.
the song is SO BAD even if it wasnt lolibait i wouldnt like it, like the way its tuned so that miku is “bratty” its so bad i cant listen to it keeping a straight face but instead laughing at how fucking bad it is likee…
im just surprised nobody figured it out instantly. a song about miku giving into implied sexual fantasies if you win a game of cards with maid cat art? drawn in a chibi style? i dont particularly ever trust anyone who draws nsfw or suggestive art in "chibi styles" because more often than not they are portrayed to LOOK like kids. the song is a banger but theres sm better songs by sm better people than someone whos attracted to the idea of little girls in sexual scenarios. again it isnt about the pixels itself its abt the fact youre attracted to the idea of a child
Same, i have always suspected NuNuNu's weird liking towards Loli stuff ever since the song about Zundamon's gender (Yknow, the h*mping one, that one traumatized me lol💀)
@@cabl7787 listen I didn’t think they were creepy enough to make her a child I assumed she was like 16 like because miku is 16 I didn’t know she was younger cut me some slack 😭😭😭
It's nice to see an actual decent rant on things that doesn't just say nunu is a ... Nunu don't... Me. Like disliking the song is fine, I'm iffy about it and am fully aware how that sort of content is legal in Japan for a reason. I still dislike it but would not go out of my way to harass a producer or compare them to actual criminals. It's not just the fact that it's bad to call the producer such things, it's (unintentionally) undermining the real victims of such crimes and making it seem like a joke. It's also lumping real victims with fiction. As much as things are awful, the two should never be compared. It's fine if a song makes you uncomfortable but the d1ddy jokes are awful and disrespect towards victims of similar crimes.
@@shirleymaemattthews4862 So a lot of people are saying things like the following. Nunu diddles vocaloids Nunu don't diddle me Nunu is the new diddy Sadieyay's comments are actually filled with them. Drake is also used sometimes and it's honestly sickening
@@shirleymaemattthews4862 Diddy and Drake had victims. The mocking is disrespectful and is basically comparing drawing... Let's just say not so great things to real chidren going through it. Both are bad but should never be compared
i find it weird that people are massacring those who like this song. like every problematic song or song by a problematic creator, you can enjoy it without supporting the actual meaning of it or whos behind the creation. god, this happens ALL the time on tiktok when a nsfw song like sarah by tyler the creator, youre my stump by mc bushpig, or lliterally anything by msi becomes trending. ofc i dont support the guy who made mimukauwa nice try or l0li content, and i dont think you should too, but the trend wont stop because people like this song! its as simple as that
As a vocaloid fan from the early days, I have been through the trenches in terms of the amount of shit this community has gone through. But that's also why I personally believe that the community we have now is leaps and bounds better in terms of how they treat one another. But, that's also why, (at least for me personally) makes me upset to see shit like this go down over a song. But, think what you want about the song.
@@JuniDrawz I love how the comments on this video that bombed obviously make you seethe but you try to play it cool with these comments LMFAO btw you should throw away your nekopara figures, those are from a yucky visual novel with sex scenes involving minor characters, and you aren't old enough to play them either.
@@JuniDrawzno one forces you, but if just this song makes you feel uncomfortable means vocaloid really isn’t for you because vocaloid is not kids songs
"You wouldn't survive the vocaloid fandom in the 2010's!!!!" "It's just pixels" "It's just a drawing" are the lamest excuses ever. edit: oh my lord ffs yall are just as whiny as the people who complain about it, instead of pushing and defending this trivial garbage maybe just idfk MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIVES? 😭
Fr as someone who is a big fan of 2010s vocaloid, the difference between nice try and the 2010s is that 14 years ago THE CHARACTERS DIDNT LOOK LIKE MINORS(or atleast most but i'm not sure)
@@SleepyRulu it's Emu Otori, a character from a rhytm game called Project Sekai (eng. version: Hatsune Miku - Colorful stage). If you like vocaloid, you'll probably like the game too because it includes lots of vocaloid songs and vocaloids are a part of the lore.
you missing one key fact MIKU IS NOT REAL also laws in Japan are different than laws in wherever you are and the "I'll do anything this guy wants if he wins" is just her being cocky
society in asia is different, we actually only despise those who like loli under the age of 13 because thats way too young, 13-17 can stay online but if it becomes real life it is still bad those white people takes the internet too serious now
Though I’m gonna say, Zundamon isn’t “loli”. They’re an ageless-sexless mochi fairy who can turn into a human hybrid without an age. She’s only a loli if she’s portrayed as a child. 😣 (Before anyone comments: “but vocaloids don’t have ages/a canon” I’m aware, that’s why I’m saying Zundamon’s not a loli unless portrayed as such. They’re not voice by a child and can be portrayed at a legal age).
I defended Rabbit Hole because its an adult and not Miku, most of Decos songs have a miku who isnt really miku yk. But this song. If thats a kid then i am so not defending this. Edit also im kinda confused why your oc basically changed races.
Not related to the topic but curious why your characters skin tones seem so... Inconsistent? I saw many different thumbnails of yours and arts and theres always different shade of the skintone
At first I thought it was a bratty Miku teasing/bullying you for losing the Uno game. I only noticed the do anything part as slightly suspicious. I didn't notice anything much when I watched the MV for the first time. I also thought Miku was wearing white shorts underneath since I didn't pay attention 😅Woops. Me paying attention to the smooth animation, Miku's face, and the lyrics/song while thinking mesugaki is some romanized Japanese word...
i was disgusted by the official music video ever since i first saw it. it made me so mad to see that there are so many people supporting this in the comments, and no they are NOT only the Japanese comments. in the end lolicon is just sick art for pedos that ppl that they can say “isn’t bad because they’re actually adults” also i am so glad someone is actually talking about this thank you ( ´Д｀ )
@@crocadino1, it's the truth. There's a reason why movies put the "events and characters are fictional and any resemblance to real things are coincidental". Fiction is made for entertainment and not for harm.
3:27 moaning uh? Whe- where was this supposed moaning I did a lesson to the original a couple of times before, but did we listen to the same version? Like I would say, I have a pretty keen ear, but I didn’t hear moaning in the slightest
@ but that doesn’t count as moaning, but it’s just breathing yeah surely loudly but still just breathing i’m sorry if it seems rude, but do you just look at someone see them breathing, maybe loudly and you just say why are you moaning? 😂 imagine that is just a funny to me. I’m sorry if it seems rude
I don't really care if the song caters to lolicons or mesugaki fans. All I see is that the music video's visuals are cute and the song is catchy. Those going against the themes are likely overreacting to it.
The (western) talk relating to the song seems to be a false narrative. There doesn't seem to be any sources for the claims made in this video about the song or its music video.
Not much related, but i don't get the term "Loli Bait", it has always been pretty obvious to me if the content is catering towards lolicons or not, it's specially noticeable with some context, i don't see where the bait could come from as it is most times pretty black and white.
It's used loosely like the term queerbait actually. Even though it's explicit for some, it's still subtle enough for unfamiliar people to be oblivious to the undertones of the content, while both alarming those who understand, and reeling in those those who also understand but like said content. Tbh a good way to notice it's l*libait is simply by looking at the sheer amount of people in different comment sections that could swear that "it's just a chibi", and the others who express they didnt't even notice the nature of it until, say, watching this video
in the end, the only thing i leave this video disagreeing with is the hate for the sound and tuning. leave the goofy adhd ah beat alone i live for that stuff 😭
As a victim of child sa, can people please stop making such a huge deal about lolis, they are fictional, often with proportions so exaggerated that don't even look like a actual kid like with this Miku, it makes me so mad that people talk more about things like this than actual victims like me, and even worse use the words "ped0philic" to loli, when what i went through should never be used for a fictional character, I don't like Loli content, but at same time isn't hurting anyone, going after it just takes away the attention from actual child abuse and water down the word ped0
I agree completely and I'm sorry that's happened to you. I think it's rather not that we should care about the characters at all since they're not hurt or anything, but rather to call out the people into that because, don't you think it's weird to like that? I TOTALLY agree with that happening irl being the MUCH bigger issue. My condolences to whatever you went through. I'm sorry if I sound rude, really, and I don't mean to invalidate your experiences.
Youre actually right about the part that it isnt pedophilia if it isnt about on real children, but how it is not hurting anyone? There are knows cases of lolicons creeping out on real children. In my country, i can list a lot. Lolicon content feed these type of people, and perhaps not being criminal, it is a paraphilia, which IS a deal. Wheter you think is unimportant or not, it still have to discussed. Its not about incriminanting or cancelling, people are just trying to debate further about these type of fetiche.
@@MaduGomesss 1. there’s creeps in every community, it’s correlation not causation, 2. You said it yourself, pedophilia is specifically attraction to real children, fiction has never been part of the diagnosis because they have no actual connection. This is the same point when people tried to video games lead to violence, it feels correct but in reality there’s no evidence to support that claim. This is moral panic, people are putting their feelings on pedo stuff, all that hate and disgust, and using it as a gotcha. They want to win arguments, spread harassment and do activism for “the better good”, whether they realize or not. But in reality, talking about loli this and putting on the same level as actual abuse, victims are being harmed more.
@@MaduGomesssAnd there are many weirdos in other communities too, not only that, certain people say they hate Lolli's but in the end they get sent to jail for real ones. You guys are actually doing more harm by calling harmless creators who did nothing wrong in real life, as real criminals, you guys are literally making other people harrass those creators and send death threats to them, that is harmful for many people. As long as it is fictionous, they do not deserve to be called Diddy or Drake. Those are actual cases and very bad to compare them with fictional ones. It's honestly disgusting seeing people calling that creator an actual a criminal, all because of fiction.
Uhhhhhhhh it's weird and it's okay to find it weird. I don't know if it's morally wrong considering no harm is happening to anyone real, but calling it weird is okay with me.
I don't and won't need to ever interact with your channel ever after this Edit: I rewatched the video because i just made this comment after like 20 seconds of watching and I might've been to harsh because I didn't review the content properly and dismissed this as a hate video. And yea I can say sorry, you had a reasonable opinion. And I also have a reasonable opinion... She's fictional, and fiction can be anything. Sorry for being rude earlier.
@@be7256 untrue!! creator has never said this, mesugaki or whatever has a very fluctuating definition, and it doesn’t even matter because its a cartoon character in a drawing. you literally cannot say a cartoon anime drawing LOOKS like any age.
@@1KL0V3R mesugaki doesnt have a fluctuating definition at all? It's regular term is for addressing animals but for humans you use it for Ill mannered little girls Theres no confusion about it man Also you definitely can depict age through art Childlike proportions are very distinct from chibi proportions
@ like what? what about the is miku is childish?? sure, they act cocky and smug (like what a mesugaki is.), but their proportions?? dude this creators art style is chibi
@@1KL0V3R oh a mesugaki isnt just cocky and smug, that's interpreting the word as bratty A lot of english translations make that mistake But it's actually using the dictionary definition of brat, which does specify child And the actual japanese way of using the word is strictly in the context of girl children And it's not exaggerated enough to be chibi actually The trademark bobblehead proportions arent there The proportions are quite realistic actually, which is why it's more in the "child" territory than the "chibi" territory Chibi needs more abstraction
Personally, i like the song, the tuning is nice and i appreciate it. This doesnt mean i support lolicons or lolis. Thats why i download songs and stream them without supporting the creator (unless its someone who deserves it) 🤫🤫
@GenesisParakiWdym? This argument is pointless because fiction is a reflection of what you enjoy. It is extremely weird and futile to think that fiction doesn't affect reality. The creator is just a creep predator
@GenesisParaki its not that its a fictional character, its the fact that theyre displaying a MV with miku (who, in the mv, is a YOUNG CHILD according to nununus description of said miku) in a sexual nature that is uncomfortable and concerning. Im not saying dont support him if u disagree or agree or wtv its just that even if something is fictional, it doesnt mean it cant be intended or implied in a explicit and uncomfortable way. You do you, bro, but people have opinions and they should be respected (unless theyre completely immoral or illegal) 😋😋😋😋
Loli god requiem was requested by the l0licon audience in UI's fandom, and Ui played along cause she lost a bet. But also UI straight UP said she liked the Art for Comic-Lo. Which i mean you can search up if you wanna know about Comic-Lo. 😂
I feel like you should have pointed out what the child features are for Nice Try Miku compared to the adult features from Rabbit Hole Miku as they aren't super apparent to a large amount of people who don't know body proportions. The Chibi defense works typically because of a lack of knowledge for what generally qualifies and what doesn't
Depends. So, for example, if you were to chibi-fi, a petite woman, what would be the remaining outcome? Exactly. How would you determine if an individual is an adult or a child out of a chibi artstyle? The answer is you truly can't.
@xenotiic8356 Right? It's crazy. TikTok users and Twitter users are insane for assuming it. The creator has never outright said the age of the character.
Lolibait is a stupid term because it doesn't make sense in how it uses it's parts. Let's analyse them! A) Loli, is a slender female human or humanoid character with youthful traits, like short stature. A loli character is not inherently a minor in-universe. B) Bait in internet slang means, luring an audience and deceiving with some sort of twist, often, underwhelming or purposefully outrageous. For example, Queerbaiting is luring in a queer audience with a queer character or plot themes, and then said elements are superficial and never addressed in the end piece. Let's piece them together! Loli is: Female Slender Youthful Bait is: Lure Deceitful Here's the issue, a deceit can't work with external traits, so its not a bait with "youthful" & "slender" since those are evident. "Female" can be deceived with, change gender and we got a Shota! But you believe having a fictional character's age set below the age of consent of real humans is "bait". It'd use a different term that actually implies the age of said character, maybe "Kodomo". So it's clear people who use the term: "Lolibait", don't understand logic nor semantics!
FUNFACT , I saw ppl destroying Brazilian Miku bcz she used shorts , shorts being a Brazilian Common clothing cuz of the heat on Brazil
CRAZY
please tell me you are messing with me right? why omg
As a brazilian native i can confirm that
@@SleepyRuluI thought it was because of the low shorts (like very high above your knees, but as high as your hip line) Along with 2 lines showing, looking like what would be her undergarments
THATS FUCKING CRAZY WHAT?
"poorly disguised"???? Brother, it's explicit, didn't even try to hide it lmao
your comment was so good there was no replys to agree or disagree
Your right
Surprised there isn’t any rage bait here
(Repeat after me everyone, if you see a rage baiter, block mute and ignore do NOT INTERACT)
*insert ragebait* /j
@Nataumbe_ yarggg
I remember seeing a tweet comparing the song to Monitoring bc at the beginning there's a lyric that's censored that implies miku heard the guy... y'know... but the whole song is a misdirection as the guy is imaging most of the lyrics as miku is just a random office worker who is worried about her neighbour and he mistakes her worry as her wanting to make fun of him or her being obsessed with him. Like you cannot compare the two, it's crazy
Ohh, wait, i thought it meant like sobbing (that one monitoring lyric you mentioned)
@@NuMIoH yeah, she probably said something like she heard him whimpering from crying but the guy misunderstands it as something else thus leaving him to think she's making fun of him
I LOVE MONITORING WHAT D:
I don’t understand a fucking thing you guys are saying rn😭
How did we go from the glorious "Fried Chicken with Mayonnaise" song to this?
Thats what happens..when the popularity comes the weirdness happens or its easier to spot
In this case i think the weirdness just came with fame than it being from before
I stand corrected they were a weirdo before but now it’s being spotted
THE MAYO SONG IS SO PEAK I CANT BELIEVE THE CREATOR IS LKLE THIS
@@Lulusacrificethose 2 zundamon songs make me want to more more jump
Well there were some subtle loli undertones hidden in it i think
I mean that song is a banger
people who call it chibi need to learn what chibi is, because you can take an adult character, make them chibi and you'll still be able to tell the character is an adult
HI OUT OF TOPIC BUT SHADOW MILK COOKIE PFP?!??!?????
Along with the INTENTION and "marketing". For example: Chibidoki (a vtuber) has a chibi model that, in my eyes, doesnt look like an adult--- but so far she only "markets" herself as an unhinged gremlin menance instead of something sus
and she isnt even an adult 😭
SHADOW MILK RAGHH
@@Pepparadox she doenst have a cannon age, meaning u can age her up and down in most mv's tho she an adult
people comparing mimukauwa nice try to deco*27 songs upsets me sm . .
REAL LEAVE RABBIT HOLE OUT OF THIS…
REAL
So true. There is a clear difference
Rabbit hole also is speculated about the sexuality part of hypersexuality, what does the loli song represent... Idk liking kids ig
@@yami_yomiel ooh wait i love that thats so interesting [as someone with it]
i think pedophillic themes [or any bad themes] can be shown in media its just theres a very clear difference between when it's made to make the audience feel disgusted vs aroused [and mimukauwa, unfortunately, does the latter. ew . .]
characters who look loli but are '2000 years old' are loli. it doesnt matter if the character actually a child in age. Its about the appearance of the character. If the character look like a little girl, its a loli.
If it looks like a little girl sounds like a little girl and is “1000 years old” it’s probably a loli
in my opinion, they have to be sexualized in as way in order to be seen as “loli”. an example of a reverse in this sense is Wamuu from jjba, he looks like a grown man and his age is in the thousands, however the age equivalent to that in human standards is just a teenager. I feel like the “looks young but is actually a billion years old or whatever” trope can only work without sexualization.
@@eemilyy good point…
@@eemilyyagreed
Im pretty sure its only loli if theres sexualization
Ntm Nunu Nonce has confirmed that "Uno Miku" is 10 so it's blazen
Some people said that "oh new vocaloid fans being dramatic blah blah blah" but in this case they're right. Like its not mikus age we're talking about, its about what she IS on this MV
Not to mention people have ALWAYS been talking against loli shit in the fandom, like when that atrocity Loli Island came out. Even worse that the creator used Voicebanks voiced by actual CHILDREN for it,,
Like I get that the small loud few that take Miku's 'canon' so seriously they attack any derivitaves have sorta warped the 'older' fans to becoming gatekeepy/dismissive but people have always spoken out against loli/pedo shit!
@GenesisParaki It stinks in here
@@awesomeTerrarian Don't respond to them just obvious ragebait account they joined today the more attention you give them the more they think that people care bout their words
@GenesisParaki I'm sorry but NO ONE is at your side😭😭 especially with that pfp
@ClovereOcto ah shit you’re right 😓😓 my bad
6:10 im pretty sure that the name “pure pure” is just the title channelstation(the creator of the popular mv) put as the sfw of their rabbit hole mv, for some reason people just decided that rabbit hole miku is not miku but a character named pure pure who has a similar design to miku. In other words, channelstation rabbit hole mv miku is a miku variant.
it isn't miku-- like, say, margarita from evillious chronicles, is based off of miku. pure pure ≠ miku, pure pure is a VERSION of miku, a version that is an adult.
@@aceofclubs. pure pure just doesn't make sense, cuz that's the animator's name who didn't even make the song or character design. it might as well just be rabbit hole miku
@@jetblack8086 doesnt really roll off the tongue the same tho 😞
@@aceofclubs. tru, hope u got neuv or any of his cons thru the rerun btw 👍
@@aceofclubs.pure pure IS a version of Miku and therefore is Miku.
Pure Pure was made by chanelcastation as the design is a bit different from the Miku in the mv in Rabbit hole.
Even if in Rabbit Hole Miku is different, so that means that its another version of her design, its till her.
Miku’s design, age and story variates from your hcs, song and story.
So any ‘Miku’s version’ is technically still Miku
Hope that helps
/nm
Ngl, as someone who’d watched some of ぬぬぬ videos before it’s not surprising at all. They drew Zundamon as looking really young and still did suggestive things (ex, having them tied up and their clothes partially off) , and even made an animation of Kaai Yuki (who’s voiced by an actual child) on a website with the corn hub colours/logo…personally that was weird to me but I didn’t really see anyone talk about it.
Also comparing it to Rabbit Hole even though Deco*27 literally has a song titled Sad Girl Sex is pretty funny to me (both Deco songs still have Miku appearing like an adult, but I think my autism makes it hard to guess how old people are so correct me if I’m wrong).
ironically though sad girl sex is like the least sexual in the recent deco line up
I find it really funny that Deco doesn’t care about the whole rabbit hole drama and made Sad Girl Sex, a song with the world Sex front and center in the title
Wait...the Japanese lettering person IS WHO I SUNSCRIBED TO..IS HE A LOLICON AS WELL?!?
That is the same person the video is talking about.
As a autistic the last past is so real, I didn't even realize all the problems in mikuwauka nice try miku other than the exposure of the clothes
I think it’s weird that people act like Loli is the norm in Japan, most people in Japan will still think you are weird for liking it. It may be more socially acceptable there but most people are not for it.
we have no idea on knowing if it is the norm or not there, when majority of the Japanese artists/creators online act like it’s okay and that’s all that gets translated to us
@@comet4526 いや、間違いなく嫌われている。初期のインターネットではもっと普通だったけど、今はみんなそれがどれだけ悪いことなのか気づいている。2025年になってもまともな人はロリコンじゃない。
@@son_monkichi google translate user larping as japanese
@@goonma1 Literally
@@comet4526 The person who commentend is probably japanese, what are you on about? They wouldnt comment something they dont know about.
Comparing Nice Try to Rabbit Hole is CRAZY. I swear people only conveniently remember that the vocaloid product is advertised with "canon ages" when the content that's being made with it is s3xually suggestive, but never when it's songs where vocaloid is used for an elderly character, or a character committing mrdr (not exclusive to adults, but most commonly carried out by adults). I've been saying this and I'll say it again: instead of worrying about an artist using an ADULT'S VOICE to create content that discusses s3xuality, perhaps worry about why CFM thought that creating a teenage anime girl mascot for their music software would sell better, AND WHY THEY HAVE BEEN RIGHT ABOUT THAT EVERY SINGLE TIME SINCE. No SERIOUSLY, every SINGLE vocaloid/vocal synth software advertised with a cute anime girl that is confirmed to be underage sells WAY better than any software that doesnt feature that. it is a WEIRD consistency that always makes me bristle.
If you don’t mind- can you sum this whole thing up in a few sentences? My brain doesn’t get it- sorry
Japanese culture and Moe culture. Miku was born when these two things were booming and then she make them *explode.*
For me, the issue is less about Miku's voice and more about how Deco went about the MVs for Rabbit Hole and Sad Sex Girl. He can and does commission artists to draw characters other than Miku for the MVs of his songs (including recent ones like Neverland, as well as earlier sexual ones, eg. Otome Dissection), but for some reason he not only deliberately chose, but paid to have a body-pillow style illustration for Rabbit Hole. Deco also started his short-form video social media campaign featuring PJSK Miku models modded to wear skimpy clothing dancing to his songs at the same time Rabbit Hole released. That, combined with Deco occasionally posting fictional conversations he has with Miku, and the way he's only used her voicebanks since 2008... It's hard for me to believe that there isn't something there.
...Also, Teto SV is the second most used voicebank currently and she's 30. Though I'm also not going to act like the 'cons aren't probably on chimera age copium about it, or that seeing Una SV or another SV bank supersede her in 2025 won't happen (will depend on SV2 and how many popular producers pick up Una or any new vbs that come out).
It's because Japan has an obsession with youth culture/things that are associated with young people. So characters who are young adults tend to sell well. I recommend Gaijin Goomba's video on it. It's called "WTF is Japan's High School Fetish!?"
@@network0423the models you're talking about are called decomiku and they're deco's original variants of Miku. They also have nothing to do with pjsk, these are original models.
As for teto I'm pretty sure her age was a joke as for most utaus. She was designed to look and act like a teenager, not a grown 31 yo adult and most people associate her with being 15.5 yo anyway
rabbit hole is a banger proud to say I never hated on it cause she’s an adult and the song has an actual meaning besides sexual things (being afraid of being in a committed relationship)
mike myers pfp being a lolicon wasnt on my bingo list this year.
REAAAALLL i 100% agree
Real
Honestly I knew the whole rabbit hole thing was bs the second I saw their other works where the majority of them are not Miku.
@mksk4395 well they next really said that miku was an adult or a minor, Since miku can be written as any age its more of "you got to guess what age she is" and also because shes a robot so she really doesn't have an age in my opinion though it's quite obvious that miku in "rabbit hole" is an adult because of the lyrics and how she's presented in the song but ah i could be wrong
Reminder that, not all suggestive songs using mikus VB are loli. Hatsune Miku is a vocal synthisis, making her an instrument. Her advertising age may be 16, but she can be anything, kind of like Barbie, but she sings. Same goes for other Vocaloids, unless the voice provider was a child, like Kaai Yuki. Anyways, I did not know about the MV to this song, and thought it was good, but now I know, I dislike it. Also, I did not know about nununu's weird online behaviour! That's disgusting!
A shit mb for yappin gng 🙏🙏
Love the comparison to Barbie!! Ur literally so right
@-m-i-n-u-s- hi miracle machine
Everytime people compare Mimukauwa Nice Try to Rabbit Hole an angel dies
REAL. UNO MIKU IS 10 AND RABBIT HOLE MIKU IS AN ADULT‼️
@@defokochuanMiku is a fucking instrument, girl what 😭☝️
@@Cxtton._.C4ndy_Cos exactly and you can give her ages depending on the song
I love when people think sexual intended characters are bad ONLY when they want, we have nobody comin after angeldust (i hate him with a passion) , but Oh when its the tho cyan tailed haired girl @@defokochuan
I could sense the potential sexual themes in this song , but due to the outfit(s) she was wearing, I was thinking the Miku in this was just a shorter adult. That may seem like a bit of a cope, but as somebody myself who is 23, 5'2, has a bit of a baby face and has a higher pitched voice, I was hoping maybe finally short adults got some rep, but the explanation of this Miku's title makes it pretty clear it's not.
Sadly shorter women are often fetishised by creeps like those for their childlike appearance and the most representation they get is degenerate stuff
Same, and l honestly didn't get the implications when I watched it? Like to me it was someone actively trolling thier friend, it's freaking uno. There are dozens of uno memes out there with the same premise as the song
i was surprised that people were taking offense to a relatively benign music video (from what i've seen of it, anyway) but then i remembered that minors today are addicted to outrage and cancel culture lol
@@snowcloudshinobi dude the miku in the mv was said to be 10 by the creator. That's creepy af
@@cosmicandy4620 oh so you're saying a real 10-year-old child was involved? here i thought mesugaki miku was a made-up anime character.
It's not lolibait, it's loli content. Nununu is a lolicon and megusaki is a loli trope
🤦
@ksjdjxjdhi9158did you not watch the video
Mesugaki usually used on term "Bratty" only and loli is one of the variant
@@TheSSG08 so, what’s wrong?
@ksjdjxjdhi9158 Nothin' just telling the detail, also they should know that it's fictional and there's more worse problem in real life
I find it kinda funny how everyone keeps talking about how nununununununu is a lolicon but no one is talking about what satapanP is also a lolicon too💀(satapanP also makes brainrot shorts now and is kind of becoming a content farm channel)
Yeah, and these brainrot vocaloid producers like Nunu and that one are grooming kids through their brainrot videos.
SatapanP fell off hard, their last two songs barely got any views
I have no clue if they're still doing the shorts tho I didn't see any new shorts after the one promoting hetchaka(?)
wait is this real?
What?
noooooo not satapanP 😭😭😭 i genuinely liked some of their songs
*insert funny original of how dare youtube hides this from me for milliseconds*
how dare TH-cam hide this from me for 2,520,000 milliseconds
how dare yt hide this for me for 4 nanoseconds
Excuse me? Literally no explain, this is the first time I see this. Since when was that prompt a thing
Given UNO Miku's black eyes with white irises, and smug/condescending nature, I thought she was supposed to be a demon or something. I thought there was a hidden story going on where this demonic Miku and you (the person she's singing to) are in a UNO match deciding whether or not she gets to keep your soul. I thought THAT was why she was so especially smug and happy over her seemingly assured victory. I thought that was fun. Thus, I also totally thought that like, oh, okay, yeah, she looks small because it's a chibi artstyle. Cute! Cool! Contrasts with her nature well. I like it.
Hearing that Nununu himself considers her to be 10, uh... gave me a feeling of visceral disgust, to say the least.
I was also definitely confused by the "neko :3" stuff in the MV. like. ok? what's this gotta do with the plot
it sucks, because a good part of why I like the song is the MV. I'm not the biggest fan of the way Miku is tuned, but I like the fun idea behind the MV's plot (especially with what I thought it was) and the fun tweened animations that go with the vocals/instrumental ("you're an idiot" moment comes to mind). I really like the flow of the chorus, though I totally get the sounds being distracting/disorienting lol.
tldr i thought the uno miku song was going for something entirely different and enjoyed it for its silliness and creativity and it turns out it's... not as harmless as i thought...
Damn your take on the song is so creative, i kinda wish that was actually the case :(
The song is about a You the viewer playing UNO against a mesugaki Miku.
I thought similar lol
According to another commentor "Neko" is slang for "brat"
there is no proof of nunu saying she's 10, they never said that
i can't escape this goddamn song HELPP
Real
omg sora
I keep clicking "do not recommend," it does NOTHING.
@@Cinnaschticks ONG
@@Cinnaschticks YEAH X-X
The vocaloids are instruments but the thing is that the way nunu is using miku and their past history and the outfits? You cannot deny the song is lolibait. I mean nunu isnt even hiding it
So in short Nunu is a lolicon right?
Ye, I've heard he's also a ragebaiter but even then he's icky ya know
Pretty much
@GenesisParakiPedo
@GenesisParakiBro what
@GenesisParaki 1.2/10 ragebait
THANKS FOR ACTUALLY EXPLAINING THIS DUDE I HEARD OF IT BEING PROBLEMATIC FROM SADIE AND I NEVER ACTUALLY UNDERSTOOD
SAD1V MENTIONED 🔥🔥🔥
@GenesisParaki can we just (not) appreciate how this guy made his account 37 minutes ago just to post ragebait? :)
(no, seriously. do something better with your time.)
edit: OHHHH!!! IT'S A BOT!!! Y'all just report and stuff, bots on youtube aren't usually coded that well :P
@GenesisParaki You are a child, step back from videos on topics like this. You obviously don't understand how seriously harmful it is to try and justify things like lolis. Educate yourself.
@GenesisParaki you know, i dont have the energy to be that rude right now, so i'll leave you to it. i obviously don't support your statements, but everyone is entitled to their own words. i would suggest that you keep your interests private to the wider parts of the web, it could lead to harassment. all i really want to say, is that a lot of people dont like loli, and i prefer to stay with that side. i said hi, and now i will say goodbye :)
SAD1V MENTION!!!! I’ve heard of the song and creator being problematic too from her!
Personally, I just do not like this kind of sexualized content at all (and not just because I'm ace). Typically people that enjoy theses kinds of videos/fanart/etc. will give the excuse that "the characters aren't real! it's totally okay! they're just 2D!" but this only perpetuates the problem of showing minors in a light they are not at all meant to be shown in. Some people think there's nothing wrong with videos like this, and I'm glad more and more people are speaking out against the existence of these types of "bait" and--exactly how you put it--"content" videos.
@GenesisParakioh, look, a zoo. I would unleash the crickets, but you’d probably try to do stuff with them.
@GenesisParaki Calling yourself a zoosadist is arguably worse, my guy. Stop using the Zeta symbol to push that vile crap, go to church.
@@childeofepicknessplease don't give them any attention!
Your argument can be tweaked a little and it will perfectly descibe Blue Archive.
I got nothing against the game and I know this is the wrong place to say this, I just want to get this out there...
Dude I posted a comment and got two weirdos defending the creator. I dont even care if its ragebait or not they're honestly pathetic as fuck
bro tje animation like physically grosses me out i squirmed in my seat when i first saw it 😭
FR
not as bad as cosplays of it imo, i am normally not a hater but i just cant watch them without wanting to throw up
on a side note, GYARU TETO SPOTTED
How was it gross? What did it show....Without being too EXPLICIT
@@acidicplushie WHAT animation?
@@castielzz Stripper/playboy Miku? Of all characters to get GROSSED OUT BY in a "Haram" outfit, you chose to be grossed out by Miku? I mean, MAKES SENSE AS WELL TO BE DISGUSTED BY ANYTHING IN A PLAYBOY BUNNY SUIT!
I hate it when the song is pretty good but it is made by a horrible person :(
Excalty,I'm so tired of it
I knew it
You can still love the art, animation, song while not liking the creator
Who made the song
If you support the creation, you also support the creator because you are distributing their content@@Kyurigachz
Shoutout to the girl who commented 64 times (and counting) and counting in the replies of these comments, who literally made their account an hour ago 😭😭😭 the engagement on this video is about to skyrocket
ragebait moment
@@strawberrythefairy oh my god just check their profile too 😭 ts so funny
Tuning vocaloid to not sound like themselves can be a skill (hiiragikirai does it in a GREAT way for example) and nununu CLEARLY does not possess that skill 😭😭😭 she sounds like a 5 year old that smoked 10 packs a day 💀💀
miku really let herself go 😔
@GenesisParakiis that the zoophile symbol in ur pfp?
@GenesisParakiWHY TF DO YOU HAVE THE ZOOPHILE FLAG AS YOUR PFP?!?!🤢🤢
reminds me of NT miku the way she sounds like her nose is blocked
SO TRUEEE and when I saw people comparing it to Rabbit Hole, it made me upset 'cuz she literally sounds like a balloon trying not to drown 😭😭
“I like the song, but I don’t support the creator”
*the entire internet starts throwing tomatoes at me*
I mean I doubt they're doing that, other than like maybe a small very online twitter group who assume thag because the wiki says Miku is 17/white that any different interpretation is horrible and awful
Like for example, fucking HATE Masa, the guy. But his Onibi series is his only good work. I listen to reuploads of it.
I would go the "ohhh this community has a problem" although that's like. Every community, the sentiment would just lump in innocents with the weirdos
Anyhoo, if ya wanna listen to the song but not support the creator, I reccomend looking at remixes/covers! Would give you the closest thing without giving Nunu-Nonce views
@@gummywormee41 yeah! I’ve started listening to the Teto cover as well-
@GenesisParaki I really hope you’re just ragebaiting.. i can already tell with that pfp and what you just said
Edit: THIS IS A BOT LMAOOOO IT WAS MADE 35 MINUTES AGO WHEN I CHECKED
Edit 2: when also said that they are 13 but identify as 16 years old wtf
@k4rr0t._.dragonz i like msi and stuff but i just download songs ciugh cough illegally cough cough and stream them that way without giving support to the creator 😋😋😋
Finally, someone is talking about this! I made a post about this a couple of weeks ago, but I had to take it down due to personal reasons. It's disgusting how people excuse this content just because it's miku.
@GenesisParaki ..?
@@dr.BACON_BABY They're ragebait account they're trying to get people mad for like few seconds of attention since they probably don't get much outside of TH-cam comments or something like that
Oh, okay!@ClovereOcto
it's. not. that. serious.
@snowcloudshinobi someone check this guy's hard drive please😨
idk if it's just me but there are seriously so many better things to worry about than some random person making vocaloid fetish songs of characters who do not exist.
thanks, i was tryna understand why that video was controversial and this summed it up perfectly, thanks again....
@GenesisParakiThis thinking is DUMB. Your argument is pointless because fiction is a reflection of what you enjoy. It makes you cry, smile and ven touches your heart. It teach you things. Its is incredibly weird and futile to think that it doesn't affect reality
@@Caelesistis_Aurealis how this thinking dumb yet this not dumb
@@Caelesistis_Aurealis If you see an isekai character jump from a bridge and go to a fantasy world would you jump off too, just asking?
I really love this song and at first I thought you were explaining the difference between Mesugaki Miku and regular Miku innocently, I didn’t even notice that she had childlike features and is suggestive in any way. I’m actually disappointed because I was obsessed with this song only a few days ago. Thanks for bringing awareness to me.
You can still like the song. No need for moral outrage based on fictional, barely suggestible content. It'd be sad if you just stop yourself from enjoying certain content based on the "awerness" if arbitrary moral guidelined put upon it by others
and the whole oversized shirt thing is basically the concept of a cute little child wearing adult sized clothes that are too big for them
whats the problem with that? (genuine question not trying to be mean)
@@hampter-poemin regards to lolicon, it's more often than not meant to be that the loli is wearing the guy's shirt which implies intimacy, the reason the shirt in question is big is to further emphasise the height difference and the childlike body of the loli. It's also a fantasy
oh no my oc shizu I done in hs piss off people like you cry river a me
I like wearing oversized shirts tho :(
The oversized shirt thing isn't about that. Based on a translation (Boyfriend's Shirt Ver.), the shirt is meant to be from her boyfriend a.k.a. the player she's playing UNO with. Honestly, that makes her actions and the overall context of the song not only make complete sense, but also that it's really cute and wholesome.
Ngl i really liked the video for its animations (apart from the weird cat-maid outfit or whatever that was), and i didn’t mind the song that much. But i genuinely paid no attention to any of the other weird sh1t in it. Thank you for clearing that up!!
Honestly I’m not surprised nunu is a lolicon considering another one of their songs features zundamon, who is a vocaloid with VERY childlike features, in an outfit that’s very similar to uno mikus ☹️..
Zundamon isnt a Vocaloid but a UTAU who also has a CeVIO and a SynthV (like teto) sorry im not trying to be an annoying fan but my perfectionism is uhm very harsh. Cough pls dont hate me
@GenesisParaki holy shit I actually gagged at that bio
@GenesisParakiThis thinking is DUMB. Your argument is pointless because fiction is a reflection of what you enjoy. It makes you cry, smile and ven touches your heart. It teach you things. Its is incredibly weird and futile to think that it doesn't affect reality
@@Caelesistis_Aurealis leta not give bait to them especially if theyre claimjng to be 13 in their bio 😭😭 but ur thougts are valid its just better off nit to reply to them cuh
@@awesomeTerrarian looking at his official channel, i already knew bro was weird with the thumbnails 😭😭 one literally depicts zundamon as a baby in a blanket with a pacifier. Not to mention the "femboy zundamon" mv... 😰😰😰
OMDD I HAVENT SEEN TATTLETAIL IN AGESS
no but like ðat game is so good whyd it have to fall out of relevance so soon 😭😭😭
It’s weird hearing the complaints about the design while drawing a character that looks like a child in the background with exposed legs and thigh highs
The self awareness is off the charts here
Based
The creator is a self-proclaimed lolicon. The song is about Lolis. Let’s be so fr guys the song is buns as well😭🙏
@GenesisParakiim glad that we are separated by the internet 😨😨😨
Pls stay away from me
@@PossiblyCharlie bro no one wants to touch you😭😭😭
THIS SONG IS SO BUNS THANK YOU
I like the song
The song is good the first few listens and then it gradually becomes more and more insufferable
Imma be honest I didn't even realized she was meant to be a loli till people pointed it out, thought it was just a more cutsey art style and Miku was drunk or something
Yeah, me too.
I just wanna enjoy my silly robot girl songs without freaky child content :(
Some ppl gotta ruin everything
Yeah de Nile is a river and I'm swimming in it lol
this type of music isn't for you then
They never even disguised it in the first place
When I saw the MV I literally got traumatized since I could tell she was A LITTLE GIRL, and when I saw some of the comments some of them said “it’s just l0li bait!” And it literally just made me sick.
@ WHY THE F!CK DO U HAVE A Z00PHILE FLAG?!
its a drawing, a cartoon, but if it does give you such a reaction please avoid it. but i dont understand personally why people seem to address this things like its the same as being a person who preys on real kids. though, i admit myself, i can find some content that goes too far disgusting but this? i do not see the issue, personally
@ okay Tysm for being polite abt it, but her canon age in the 5-10 in the mv/song so that what creeped me out :)
@ki.44524 youre sick in the head bru
You weren't "traumatised" that's absolutely ridiculous.
NOOO EWW I THOUGHT IT WAS CHIBI WTF THANKYOU FOR TELLING ME
Ignore "GenesisParaki" Comments! They are a bot! They're trying to rage bait you.
FRRRR
I just saw it at a glance and I was like "oh cute :D" and this video made me realize "oh fuck not cute NOT CUTE-"
REAL!!!! i saw someone saying 'shes 16 how is it lolibait' like
look at the design and how they drew her and tell me that character looks anywhere near 16
and even still if she WAS 16 um
THAT WOULD STILL BE BAD !!!!!! 16 IS A TEENAGER!!!!!!!!!!!
Creator confirmed she was 10 plus Nunu is a known lolicon, whoever said that she was 16 is very! Dumb
I honestly couldn't tell because of the artstyle
@GenesisParaki sexual art of fictional minors is still illegal :3
@soapart2 thats different from where ur living + legality ≠ morality
I’ve known who ぬぬぬ was for quite a while now, but I had no idea that they had *that* kind of intention. I really liked Mimukauwa Nice Try when the song came out, but I didn’t realize that it was just pure loli content. This is just another example of enjoy the art (or in this case, music), not the artist.
Yeah same, really liked the song, never knew about this problem because I always see Miku in that video as an adult, didn't know it was intended to be loli
Loli doesn't even mean "child". It's for a cutesy female anime/manga character. While a portion of lolis are underaged, it doesn't mean all of them are. The only requirements are a short and petite frame with a cutesy design.
@@Trankuiru, I don't really think loli or lolicon are necessarily bad on their own. The material and characters are completely fictional and made for entertainment.
@@PKSuperStar256 Yeah, just like how Qiqi in genshin is like thousands (or hundreds, I can’t remember) of years old. The only time it really becomes a problem is when it is sexualized like in mimukawa nice try.
@Amberglazed, it's not a problem. It's a fictional character. You don't have to like the idea of a character being depicted in a certain way. You could find something like this in anime series rated TV-14 or (in less strong cases) TV-PG.
I personally don't care. I like the song and music video anyway because it's overall very cute and wholesome.
the song is SO BAD even if it wasnt lolibait i wouldnt like it, like the way its tuned so that miku is “bratty” its so bad i cant listen to it keeping a straight face but instead laughing at how fucking bad it is likee…
Oh my GOD THANK YOU!! You're literally the first person I've seen say this. The song is SO doo doo but everyone keeps saying it’s “so good” 😞
I kind of dig the tunning, my ick is with the instrumental like IT'S SO AWFUL
@@MCQUEER--Some people like that type of tuning
Bro…everyone has their own opinion likee…
@GenesisParaki WHAT ON EARTH IS YOUR PFP????
OH MY GOD REAL THAT SONG MAKES ME SO UNCOMFORTABLE. also miku sounds so weird i dont know why ?? 😭
Probally has the whisper up a whole ton
@gummywormee41 yeahh probably but it still sounds weird
She sounds like she needs a cough drop💀
@@sprinkleisdumbfr she sounds so dehydrated i swear 😭😭
@@sprinkleisdumbfr THATS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID
im just surprised nobody figured it out instantly. a song about miku giving into implied sexual fantasies if you win a game of cards with maid cat art? drawn in a chibi style? i dont particularly ever trust anyone who draws nsfw or suggestive art in "chibi styles" because more often than not they are portrayed to LOOK like kids. the song is a banger but theres sm better songs by sm better people than someone whos attracted to the idea of little girls in sexual scenarios.
again it isnt about the pixels itself its abt the fact youre attracted to the idea of a child
Same, i have always suspected NuNuNu's weird liking towards Loli stuff ever since the song about Zundamon's gender (Yknow, the h*mping one, that one traumatized me lol💀)
and a real life child is not an “idea” lol .
@ionanya Just curious, if you got off to a picture of someone of the same gender, what does that mean for you?
@@marstothestars33 Traps are not gay, we've been over that topic already
@pusho9117 What?... I wasn't talking about "traps".... like, at all.
I saw this song and i still think its a bop, i get get why ppl are angry, but you do you
Based take right there.
😭 I already knew something was up with the song because she looked too small to be a adult
what a childish person here
@ are you talking about me?
@@Legosonicman not very smart, either
@@cabl7787 I’m not smart 😭
@@cabl7787 listen I didn’t think they were creepy enough to make her a child I assumed she was like 16 like because miku is 16 I didn’t know she was younger cut me some slack 😭😭😭
It's nice to see an actual decent rant on things that doesn't just say nunu is a ... Nunu don't... Me.
Like disliking the song is fine, I'm iffy about it and am fully aware how that sort of content is legal in Japan for a reason. I still dislike it but would not go out of my way to harass a producer or compare them to actual criminals.
It's not just the fact that it's bad to call the producer such things, it's (unintentionally) undermining the real victims of such crimes and making it seem like a joke. It's also lumping real victims with fiction. As much as things are awful, the two should never be compared.
It's fine if a song makes you uncomfortable but the d1ddy jokes are awful and disrespect towards victims of similar crimes.
Wait...Diddy jokes....Is DIDDY referenced in the Miku animations, or people saying that Miku is being treated like a Diddy victim there
@@shirleymaemattthews4862 So a lot of people are saying things like the following.
Nunu diddles vocaloids
Nunu don't diddle me
Nunu is the new diddy
Sadieyay's comments are actually filled with them. Drake is also used sometimes and it's honestly sickening
@MiniEmber I'm pretty sure they're mocking him for sexualizing vocaloids. Also, are they from East Asia?
@@shirleymaemattthews4862 Diddy and Drake had victims. The mocking is disrespectful and is basically comparing drawing... Let's just say not so great things to real chidren going through it. Both are bad but should never be compared
@MiniEmberare you serious, lolicons are pedos you know. So the jokes making fun of lolicons are completely fine in my opinion.
I never saw this miku as a child before people said it was a child,i just thought she was an adult miku in a chibi style
Chibi art looks nothing like what's in that video
im so shocked at the amount of people that used the song for their own video and said they didnt know the animator was a freak.. it feels so obvious?
i find it weird that people are massacring those who like this song. like every problematic song or song by a problematic creator, you can enjoy it without supporting the actual meaning of it or whos behind the creation. god, this happens ALL the time on tiktok when a nsfw song like sarah by tyler the creator, youre my stump by mc bushpig, or lliterally anything by msi becomes trending. ofc i dont support the guy who made mimukauwa nice try or l0li content, and i dont think you should too, but the trend wont stop because people like this song! its as simple as that
But who decided that the meaning of the song is what they're saying about it? The meaning is from the creator, not these commentators.
As a vocaloid fan from the early days, I have been through the trenches in terms of the amount of shit this community has gone through. But that's also why I personally believe that the community we have now is leaps and bounds better in terms of how they treat one another. But, that's also why, (at least for me personally) makes me upset to see shit like this go down over a song. But, think what you want about the song.
Listen man I got deadlines to meet 💔 nobody irl is gonna lose theyre shit over a song (hopefully)
"I JUST found out they're a creep.." "Theyre weird??" HOW IS IT TAKING PEOPLE THIS LONG 😭🙏
SHE’S 10? someone give her some coloring books and bracelet making kits!!
That's a hoax. There is zero evidence for it.
Cool, anyways here’s the recipe for brownies:
1 cup butter, melted
2 cups white sugar
½ cup cocoa powder
1 teaspoon vanilla extract
4 eggs
Ty
Got the ingredients, now what?
You got the ingredients, but forgot the recipe part.
Kinda disrespectful ngl
What???? Why’s there so much egg and like no anything else. What is this recipe.
3:26 what random moaning? pretty sure that’s not a part of the song or music video
Thanks for covering this up
I didnt know all this
But i'll still jam to the song anyway
This the massive western culture shock lol
Are you high
@ maybe
@ksjdjxjdhi9158 isn't it illegal to have marijuana in Japan?
@@JuniDrawz no, he's correct
@@EmotionalParaquat714神离天 understand a joke pls
I wasn't paying to mv details, I just thought it was a catchy song.
Same I just didn’t like the neko part rest of the song was banging
If you find this song troubling, and keep finding that vocaloid songs upset you, VOCALOID ISNT FOR YOU!!!! LEAVE!!!!!
Are you gonna force me out bro
@@JuniDrawz I love how the comments on this video that bombed obviously make you seethe but you try to play it cool with these comments LMFAO
btw you should throw away your nekopara figures, those are from a yucky visual novel with sex scenes involving minor characters, and you aren't old enough to play them either.
@@JuniDrawzno one forces you, but if just this song makes you feel uncomfortable means vocaloid really isn’t for you because vocaloid is not kids songs
"You wouldn't survive the vocaloid fandom in the 2010's!!!!" "It's just pixels" "It's just a drawing" are the lamest excuses ever.
edit: oh my lord ffs yall are just as whiny as the people who complain about it, instead of pushing and defending this trivial garbage maybe just idfk MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIVES? 😭
What your pfp is it real person on it?
Fr as someone who is a big fan of 2010s vocaloid, the difference between nice try and the 2010s is that 14 years ago THE CHARACTERS DIDNT LOOK LIKE MINORS(or atleast most but i'm not sure)
@@SleepyRulu it's Emu Otori, a character from a rhytm game called Project Sekai (eng. version: Hatsune Miku - Colorful stage). If you like vocaloid, you'll probably like the game too because it includes lots of vocaloid songs and vocaloids are a part of the lore.
@@Lantern_LCorpAgent i dont think thats what they meant, they keep arguing that just because it isn't a real person its perfectly okay to sexualize it
“It’s just a drawing” is the truth though.
you missing one key fact MIKU IS NOT REAL also laws in Japan are different than laws in wherever you are and the "I'll do anything this guy wants if he wins" is just her being cocky
You a weirdo
@@gacha_typer4788 why
@@gacha_typer4788no one cares your opinion
society in asia is different, we actually only despise those who like loli under the age of 13 because thats way too young, 13-17 can stay online but if it becomes real life it is still bad
those white people takes the internet too serious now
@ and even when we despise them we don't actively go against those people if they don't harm anyone irl
why is your model dark skinned, but your pfp and the cover of this video have light skin? Are they different characters or
im pretty sure hes said before that there was a miscommunication with the person who made her model!
@@luuvcatz ahh ok then
i was wondering the same thing! my first assumption was that one was a character and the other was their sona lol
can you fix it
@@SleepyRulu nope
your tattletail art is soo cute I love it
i love ur art style btw!!
Though I’m gonna say, Zundamon isn’t “loli”. They’re an ageless-sexless mochi fairy who can turn into a human hybrid without an age. She’s only a loli if she’s portrayed as a child. 😣
(Before anyone comments: “but vocaloids don’t have ages/a canon” I’m aware, that’s why I’m saying Zundamon’s not a loli unless portrayed as such. They’re not voice by a child and can be portrayed at a legal age).
I defended Rabbit Hole because its an adult and not Miku, most of Decos songs have a miku who isnt really miku yk. But this song. If thats a kid then i am so not defending this.
Edit also im kinda confused why your oc basically changed races.
Not related to the topic but curious why your characters skin tones seem so... Inconsistent? I saw many different thumbnails of yours and arts and theres always different shade of the skintone
Yeah I was wondering about that too
They had a problem with there modeler and the modeler made the mistake I think !!
At first I thought it was a bratty Miku teasing/bullying you for losing the Uno game. I only noticed the do anything part as slightly suspicious. I didn't notice anything much when I watched the MV for the first time. I also thought Miku was wearing white shorts underneath since I didn't pay attention 😅Woops. Me paying attention to the smooth animation, Miku's face, and the lyrics/song while thinking mesugaki is some romanized Japanese word...
i was disgusted by the official music video ever since i first saw it. it made me so mad to see that there are so many people supporting this in the comments, and no they are NOT only the Japanese comments. in the end lolicon is just sick art for pedos that ppl that they can say “isn’t bad because they’re actually adults” also i am so glad someone is actually talking about this thank you ( ´Д｀ )
Oh they don't claim that the lolis are adults they just say "it's just a drawing/it's not real" or something like that. They have no shame.
@@crocadino1 id personally rather they do that than actually harm real living children tbh
you could liken it to cnc in a way
crocadino1 yeah.
case-in-point: the blue archive community
@@crocadino1, it's the truth. There's a reason why movies put the "events and characters are fictional and any resemblance to real things are coincidental". Fiction is made for entertainment and not for harm.
3:27 moaning uh? Whe- where was this supposed moaning I did a lesson to the original a couple of times before, but did we listen to the same version? Like I would say, I have a pretty keen ear, but I didn’t hear moaning in the slightest
I'm assuming the "Loser Loser" parts? They are, tuned a way to purposely sound like moaning/paired with her general sexualization
the zaakou zaakou part has vocaloid "breathing" noises
@ but that doesn’t count as moaning, but it’s just breathing yeah surely loudly but still just breathing i’m sorry if it seems rude, but do you just look at someone see them breathing, maybe loudly and you just say why are you moaning? 😂 imagine that is just a funny to me. I’m sorry if it seems rude
@@ma1-t1f i think they put breathing in quotation marks as a sarcastic way to say moaning 😭
@@ulthazelnut I meant it more like, vocaloids aren't exactly good at making moaning noises, so it's sound more like asmr breathing
I do belive the strange tune of her voice in the MV was to make her sound like a child
Yeah her croaky voice sounds like someone having voice cracks during puberty to me 😭 coming from someone who has many voice cracks every day
@@Taekaleaf Miku if she was jojo siwa's child/j
She's a ghost, that's why.
It sounds more like a woman putting on a higher and breathy type of voice for a character.
I don't really care if the song caters to lolicons or mesugaki fans. All I see is that the music video's visuals are cute and the song is catchy. Those going against the themes are likely overreacting to it.
im glad i did ignore the music video. the vibes i got from the design made me feel alarmed. good to know i was justified :'3
not even 10 seconds i i left the video and clicked “don’t recommend channel”
The (western) talk relating to the song seems to be a false narrative. There doesn't seem to be any sources for the claims made in this video about the song or its music video.
Not much related, but i don't get the term "Loli Bait", it has always been pretty obvious to me if the content is catering towards lolicons or not, it's specially noticeable with some context, i don't see where the bait could come from as it is most times pretty black and white.
It's used loosely like the term queerbait actually. Even though it's explicit for some, it's still subtle enough for unfamiliar people to be oblivious to the undertones of the content, while both alarming those who understand, and reeling in those those who also understand but like said content.
Tbh a good way to notice it's l*libait is simply by looking at the sheer amount of people in different comment sections that could swear that "it's just a chibi", and the others who express they didnt't even notice the nature of it until, say, watching this video
Dude the most annoying part is people using THE ORIGINAL SONG EVEN THEY DON'T SUPPORT THE CREATOR. ...please use other sources not the og one i beg...
Like there's an, Ust avalaible! I'd love to see better covers of it
There's like an English Cover but its. VERY brainrot
@GenesisParaki I can see you're a troll account brotha "joined 43 mins ago" hope you have your fun but have the worst of fate after that
@GenesisParakiThe creator deserve to be in jail
@@Caelesistis_Aurealis
No
Blue archive fans: so i can have it?
in the end, the only thing i leave this video disagreeing with is the hate for the sound and tuning. leave the goofy adhd ah beat alone i live for that stuff 😭
i saw the thumbnail for that song and IMMEDIATELY RECOILED BECAUSE WHAT. IS. THAT…?
As a victim of child sa, can people please stop making such a huge deal about lolis, they are fictional, often with proportions so exaggerated that don't even look like a actual kid like with this Miku, it makes me so mad that people talk more about things like this than actual victims like me, and even worse use the words "ped0philic" to loli, when what i went through should never be used for a fictional character, I don't like Loli content, but at same time isn't hurting anyone, going after it just takes away the attention from actual child abuse and water down the word ped0
I agree completely and I'm sorry that's happened to you. I think it's rather not that we should care about the characters at all since they're not hurt or anything, but rather to call out the people into that because, don't you think it's weird to like that? I TOTALLY agree with that happening irl being the MUCH bigger issue. My condolences to whatever you went through. I'm sorry if I sound rude, really, and I don't mean to invalidate your experiences.
Youre actually right about the part that it isnt pedophilia if it isnt about on real children, but how it is not hurting anyone? There are knows cases of lolicons creeping out on real children. In my country, i can list a lot. Lolicon content feed these type of people, and perhaps not being criminal, it is a paraphilia, which IS a deal. Wheter you think is unimportant or not, it still have to discussed. Its not about incriminanting or cancelling, people are just trying to debate further about these type of fetiche.
I mean lolicons are pedophiles, but not criminals. they just have the paraphilia and use art as an outlet for it.
@@MaduGomesss 1. there’s creeps in every community, it’s correlation not causation, 2. You said it yourself, pedophilia is specifically attraction to real children, fiction has never been part of the diagnosis because they have no actual connection. This is the same point when people tried to video games lead to violence, it feels correct but in reality there’s no evidence to support that claim. This is moral panic, people are putting their feelings on pedo stuff, all that hate and disgust, and using it as a gotcha. They want to win arguments, spread harassment and do activism for “the better good”, whether they realize or not. But in reality, talking about loli this and putting on the same level as actual abuse, victims are being harmed more.
@@MaduGomesssAnd there are many weirdos in other communities too, not only that, certain people say they hate Lolli's but in the end they get sent to jail for real ones. You guys are actually doing more harm by calling harmless creators who did nothing wrong in real life, as real criminals, you guys are literally making other people harrass those creators and send death threats to them, that is harmful for many people. As long as it is fictionous, they do not deserve to be called Diddy or Drake. Those are actual cases and very bad to compare them with fictional ones. It's honestly disgusting seeing people calling that creator an actual a criminal, all because of fiction.
People trying to defend lolicon in these comments are crazy. Sorry you have to read creepy ass comments.
Agreed
who are you creepy whos again? oh sorry having different opinions than you is creep whatever
you cant make everyone happy but you can make everyone unhappy
womp womp i still support the creator
@@SleepyRulu th-cam.com/video/ZDsYSAq-RvE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=sr0py56z8NL72kF_
Uhhhhhhhh it's weird and it's okay to find it weird. I don't know if it's morally wrong considering no harm is happening to anyone real, but calling it weird is okay with me.
That's a fair stance
Listening to this after spending the whole day making the animation ._.
I don't and won't need to ever interact with your channel ever after this
Edit: I rewatched the video because i just made this comment after like 20 seconds of watching and I might've been to harsh because I didn't review the content properly and dismissed this as a hate video. And yea I can say sorry, you had a reasonable opinion. And I also have a reasonable opinion... She's fictional, and fiction can be anything.
Sorry for being rude earlier.
Okay buddy
yea online stays online
imagine being so pressed as if it turns whoever watches it into pedo and endangers minors
@@コーヒーダミー aww the little girl liker is angry 🥺
@@maria-lx2zk whatever floats your boat
@@コーヒーダミー I know kids float your boat 💀
Where did it say that the MIKU is 10 yrs old? I believe you just wanna know
honestly no clue
Though it is confirmed shes a kid (shes literally called mesugaki miku lol)
@@be7256 untrue!! creator has never said this, mesugaki or whatever has a very fluctuating definition, and it doesn’t even matter because its a cartoon character in a drawing. you literally cannot say a cartoon anime drawing LOOKS like any age.
@@1KL0V3R mesugaki doesnt have a fluctuating definition at all?
It's regular term is for addressing animals but for humans you use it for Ill mannered little girls
Theres no confusion about it man
Also you definitely can depict age through art
Childlike proportions are very distinct from chibi proportions
@ like what? what about the is miku is childish?? sure, they act cocky and smug (like what a mesugaki is.), but their proportions?? dude this creators art style is chibi
@@1KL0V3R oh a mesugaki isnt just cocky and smug, that's interpreting the word as bratty
A lot of english translations make that mistake
But it's actually using the dictionary definition of brat, which does specify child
And the actual japanese way of using the word is strictly in the context of girl children
And it's not exaggerated enough to be chibi actually
The trademark bobblehead proportions arent there
The proportions are quite realistic actually, which is why it's more in the "child" territory than the "chibi" territory
Chibi needs more abstraction
Personally, i like the song, the tuning is nice and i appreciate it. This doesnt mean i support lolicons or lolis. Thats why i download songs and stream them without supporting the creator (unless its someone who deserves it) 🤫🤫
@GenesisParakiWdym? This argument is pointless because fiction is a reflection of what you enjoy. It is extremely weird and futile to think that fiction doesn't affect reality. The creator is just a creep predator
@GenesisParaki its not that its a fictional character, its the fact that theyre displaying a MV with miku (who, in the mv, is a YOUNG CHILD according to nununus description of said miku) in a sexual nature that is uncomfortable and concerning. Im not saying dont support him if u disagree or agree or wtv its just that even if something is fictional, it doesnt mean it cant be intended or implied in a explicit and uncomfortable way. You do you, bro, but people have opinions and they should be respected (unless theyre completely immoral or illegal) 😋😋😋😋
many people say its true,and others say its fake
who should i believe?,im confused now
Find evidence for both sides.
People who say it's true are going along with the crowd.
People who say otherwise did research.
I js joined ur discord server today! ^^
I didn't even realize she was a child. 😢
Am I too innocent?
I thought it was Miku as a child playing uno with us as a child and it was like a dare type thing
This was what loil God requiem was warning us about?
DDLC MENTIONED?? also real😭😭
Loli god requiem was requested by the l0licon audience in UI's fandom, and Ui played along cause she lost a bet. But also UI straight UP said she liked the Art for Comic-Lo. Which i mean you can search up if you wanna know about Comic-Lo. 😂
I feel like you should have pointed out what the child features are for Nice Try Miku compared to the adult features from Rabbit Hole Miku as they aren't super apparent to a large amount of people who don't know body proportions. The Chibi defense works typically because of a lack of knowledge for what generally qualifies and what doesn't
AUGHH I really wanted too but I thought it'd sound creepy
Depends. So, for example, if you were to chibi-fi, a petite woman, what would be the remaining outcome? Exactly.
How would you determine if an individual is an adult or a child out of a chibi artstyle? The answer is you truly can't.
I've always seen people say she's 10, but where's the source? Just curious. :(
There is literally none
I've heard 16 or 17, never 10 what???
@@mitsu.m4a Indeed. It's rather upsetting that people make things up and just believe whatever they see.
@xenotiic8356 Right? It's crazy. TikTok users and Twitter users are insane for assuming it. The creator has never outright said the age of the character.
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The worst thing about nununu is that their watermark is literally just a black box😭
Lolibait is a stupid term because it doesn't make sense in how it uses it's parts. Let's analyse them!
A) Loli, is a slender female human or humanoid character with youthful traits, like short stature.
A loli character is not inherently a minor in-universe.
B) Bait in internet slang means, luring an audience and deceiving with some sort of twist, often, underwhelming or purposefully outrageous.
For example, Queerbaiting is luring in a queer audience with a queer character or plot themes, and then said elements are superficial and never addressed in the end piece.
Let's piece them together!
Loli is:
Female
Slender
Youthful
Bait is:
Lure
Deceitful
Here's the issue, a deceit can't work with external traits, so its not a bait with "youthful" & "slender" since those are evident.
"Female" can be deceived with, change gender and we got a Shota!
But you believe having a fictional character's age set below the age of consent of real humans is "bait". It'd use a different term that actually implies the age of said character, maybe "Kodomo".
So it's clear people who use the term: "Lolibait", don't understand logic nor semantics!
oh wow...this is certainly uhm...a take