NVIDIA RTX vs AMD 6000 & Ray Tracing Comparison in Watch Dogs Legion [on/off]
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- NVIDIA RTX vs AMD 6000 & Ray Tracing Comparison in Watch Dogs Legion
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Raytracing, is comming... I mean it's BEEN HERE for a couple years with RTX, but now AMD's Radeon 6000 series has it, and soon the Playstation 5 and Xbox series X will arrive and they have it too
AMD RX 6800 vs RTX 3070 - 4K - 1440p - RAYTRACING th-cam.com/video/G4Ido0wkLi0/w-d-xo.html
The puddle reflections don't distort when vehicles drive over. Makes it look like they are skating over. I guess fluid simulation is a step too far at the moment.
They could fake it if force affecting water is always wheel (at different speeds).
nVivida is supposed to have a fluid simulation engine. Not sure which version it is in.
Other games already have fluid animations when things hit water. They probably didn't add it here to stabilize fps
They could add a particle effect for splash and ripple to fake a fluid simulation. Would help to further ground the scene at no to minimal cost.
I found it less realistic, it’s good to have full reflection on mirrors, etc, but in a wet highway without the blurry effect it makes it less realistic.
Can't deny it's better with ray tracing on, but not everything needs to be ultra shiny.
Those windows do look WAY too shiny and clean, but I think its partly an aesthetic choice to make this future London look squeaky clean when its hiding a horrific dystopian nightmare.
No the puddles are too shiny and too bright as well. As if the system doesn't take into account the dark street not even half an inch below the puddle. I think on the streets it looks more realistic without raytracing. It should be darker and light doesn't always reflect, in reality it takes the right angle to see a sharp reflection. Often you can see through the puddle instead.
This kinda looks like GTA V remaster RTX pro mod
@@b0b050 Yeah but won't that make it worse? I still want good quality in everything else. Maybe they should give us way more customisation like turning cars reflections off but keeping the rest
And the puddles look great but unrealistic like a mirror, without is more realistic
Ubisoft needs to release their Devs outside once in awhile so they know what the real world looks like
Puddles aren't mirrors, the water isn't that clear
Cars aren't that clean, maybe some freshly deep awashed and even still not like this, when the car went into a bridge this is when I realized something is wrong 🤣
Raytracing is not just shiny reflection. Shadows, ambient occlusion etc. There are ppenty bits yet to he utilised. It is a way forward.
Everyone is asking for more yet they cant accept it once given.
They need to lower the resolution of ray traced reflections a bit yet.
The real world is dirty, the surfaces are not polished to a mirror finish.
Even windows on buildings are not perfect mirrors.
Our focal point is generally not on the reflection so that adds another level of blur.
When they get this right though, it's going to be damn nice. Reshade RTGI is amazing, better, in my opinion, than some of these AAA games implementations.
yeah the game looked more natural with no/less ray tracing.
They don't need to lower the resolution of the RT reflections, but they to do a few things to make it more realistic. Some stuff like reflections in a puddle with still water, can look very crisp and amazing in real life. But then there's dirty buildings and you can barely make out a thing. The way to make it realistic isn't to just make all reflections equal and lower the quality, but to differentiate properly between what should and shouldn't have clear reflections. Even on the same buildings, have worse reflections on the dirtier windows and better ones on the clean windows. It would likely also save on processing power. I imagine a good algorythm would be able to take care of it. Hopefully we'll see things like that pop up in a few years or so.
they dont necessarily have to lower the resolution (thats not entirely how ray tracing works anyway, theres a load of other stuff like samples that would probably make more sense), they just need to add some imperfection overlays like fingerprints and condensation. ive been messing about with ray tracing in unreal, and i totally agree that in most scenarios it looks pretty unrealistic, not because the technology is wrong, but just because we always assume the real world is cleaner than it is
When Nvidia launched the 20 series they used a bombed out WW2 street battle scene to showcase their raytracing, it looked completely wrong as the cars looked as if they had just been polished & all the buildings had clean windows.
That's the thing about Pixar's metallness / roughness shader (as opposed to spec / glossiness) that game engines like Unreal Engine 4 and other visual tools like Marmoset Tool bag have been espousing- a reflective material should still have some roughness details, and a non reflective surface can have some very faint details bounce off of it, plus there are properties like fresnel that can explain or improve those details. Hopefully artists will be able to work with these existing techniques.
Damn, I’m impressed. A rainy city is a perfect way to demo it too.
london you mean
@@bestboy007 a...rainy...city...yes...
london was a good excuse to add so much rain
5:00 is that coffee cup levitating?
They make strong coffee in London.
@@BluntyTV Haha, thanks for the response, I appreciated the video. We are now like 5 hours from launch and I still cant decide if im going to get a 3070 today or wait for 6800
@@jameslane2326 ofcourse wait for 6800
16gh vram🤩
@@srivenkateswaraswamy3403 I feel like one of the 3070 might be worth more if the nvenc encoder is still the way to go on Nvidias card this gen if you intend on streaming unless AMD made some changes they didn’t say anything about with the 6000 series.
But again that just depends on if your a content creator. For pure gaming yes 6000 series all the way
@@BluntyTV So strong it'll pour itself and come to you.
I've never been one to be dedicated to Team Red or Team Green. I started with Team Voodoo2. So I've been in this for a long time. I always just get the card the best card for my budget at the particular time. In fact I've alternated red/green/red/green in the 2000s. But I have to say that, especially recently, I really appreciate how customer focused AMD has been.
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I was gonna say the same thing lol.
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RTX makes the environment look more real than the actual player model itself in Legion. the contrast is a bit off putting
I love how he spents a couple of minutes ranting about how Ray Tracing != RTX, and then you drop that bomb.
Nvidia does ray tracing very well, ps5 doesn’t do it very well
Ray tracing is such a cool technique for rendering. The first time I heard the term was how DOOM and Wolfenstein 3d were able to fake their 3d
As a fellow RTX 2060 owner. I agree... The performance hit from turning on ray tracing is definitely not worth it over having smoother performance.
Ye nice commentary pretty much sums up everything I've thought about ray tracing for a while now hopefully amd has some stock because I can't wait for them to take some market share from nividia and their no stock.
Hey Blunty, I have the Gigabyte RTX 3080 Gaming OC and I avg 75fps max settings on the benchmark at 1080p. Its just not worth maxing them out like you said, some of the nuances between Medium, High and Ultra aren't worth the loss in fps.
Huh. I get around 80 at max on 1440p.
How is your build
Yeah I get 90fps in 4k
@@EldyPlaysMinecraft cpu?
CPU is gonna be a major factor, as well as potentially RAM
When it comes to these very high powered cards too more is better, try using Dynamic Super Resolution in the Nvidia control panel to up your resolution or DSLL in the game settings (if applicable) *IF* you’re limited by your CPU, if not then I’ll chit it down to Ubisoft being Ubisoft and failing I optimise their games properly
lol i was raytracing stills on the Amiga back in like the late 80s took like 48 hrs for a single 640x480 still but it looks the dogs danglies
Ah the Amiga. A real computer. Ahead of its time.
Finally somebody talking intelligently about this feature.
lol that motion blur comment is such a mood
The reflections off the subway map are amazing!
Imagine having motion blur turned on in a game, and using a TV which interpolates its own motion blur. I think I might be sick just thinking about that...
THANK YOU! Glad to hear someone else trying to correct the misconceptions out there about RTX versus DXR. One can't be better than the other because they're 2 different kinds of things.
Nice to finally see a TH-camr who understands the difference between an API and a branding name for a hardware feature.
I had a similar argument about how using SEUS PTGI ray tracing shaders is still ray tracing whether you use an RTX card or not. Guy was basically trying to tell me it's not real ray tracing without hardware.
The motion blur rant. I felt that
"Stop turning on motion blur by default! STOP IT!"
I wish I could give you 9 trillion subs for this comment alone. WHO ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH ACTUALLY LIKES FREAKING MOTION BLUR??!
the only time Ive ever heard of someone liking it is on racing games
I don’t mind a little bit when the FPS isn’t great as it kinda smooths out in a way but that’s it
I skip RAY TRACING for FPS.
I can live and get along with Screen space reflections.
Yeah for real
The video on the right looks pretty awesome. Amazing shadow and reflections
Much better color as well
I wanna see this comparison in the Witcher 3 I really think it would really bring out all the armour aesthetics and make the monsters look way cooler
I'm not much of a gamer but as a former Londoner, thanks for pointing this game out to me! I can't believe It's taken me this long to realise this game I hear about constantly is set in an open world, futuristic London: looks fantastic!
And obviously, thanks for the comparison! (Psst, algorithm, this is the one we want)
Oh, you should get this game though, on quarantine is a nice thing to get out of your house virtually...
I forgot you existed! Haven’t seen your vids pop up in my recommended since like 2012, as Blunty3000. Good times! Glad to see you’re still doing well on here :)
Here algorithm who's a good boy then... have a scooby snack
The benches are out... amd got destroyed on raytracing :(
Yeah, the Ray tracing performance on the RX 6x00 XT is pretty horrible, it's around 20 series level of ray tracing performance (it actually may be worse).
rasterization performance of the RX 6x00 XT is pretty good.
This is a great content, i was confused as to why rtx is labeled on to settings in different games supporting ray tracing. I hope ray tracing will be the norm in the next few years.
Just imagine this technology on stealth games... 🙌
nice rant... I'm also looking forward to seeing 6000 series in action.
Oh please more like these people ... RTX isnt Nvidia's invention....for graphics designers animators and programators this is so annoying to hear when someone is like uhhhhh Nvidia invented raytracing... Yes... Nvidia did make cores that are Designed for ray traced reflections But the only thing that it realy means is that they genuinely made powerful enough gpu with cores focused on these effects specificaly(global illumination,Surface reflections,),Now type on google this : GTA V Ray Tracing what you will find are Rain videos with puddles and overly wet surfaces... i mean OK you proved point .. but then the comments ... are too funny to read.
these boys don't even know what rasterization is don't worry about it
@@Sieztt actually nvidia didn't come up with ray tracing
Thank you for this. As a fairly new pc gamer, there's always something new to learn.
Now that is an in depth breakdown.
Gotta say, ...it sure looks better with RTX on that's for sure.
This game uses DXR not RTX, lets please stop calling real time raytracing RTX because that is not only wrong, it causes confusion and helps no one but Nvidia.
Good discussion. It’ll be interesting. I hope in 10 years it’s great even on consoles.
As far as pc gaming, I voted for REDs this year. 😘
SAM at RAGE MODE sounds bloody awesome
Looking forward to your review on the new AMD cards. Always considered Nvidia for my GPU, now I'm open minded and will see how they stack up against each other.
Big thank you for the video lol. till a few moments ago i always thought that "RTX" is an Nvidia thing and ONLY Nvidia.... but this changes some things... but not the driver/support of programs
Personally I don't really like all the distracting reflections that much. Makes me hope there is always a option to turn them off.
Why is he making the comparison between the and big Navi Vs the low end 20 series?
Shouldn't the composition be made between both new gen hardware?
At NO POINT in this video did I do so. No fucking idea what you're on about.
@@BluntyTV You might want to recheck the part that shows the graphic settings on the game. It clearly show an RTX 2060. THAT'S a low end card of the previous gen.
And where was the part where I compared it to the 6000 series? There's no emoticon I can find that will express "what the fuck kinda lead based soap you smoking?"... but... that.
@@BluntyTV I had to subscribe to you solely for this response. Fucking bliss.
@@shamprakash314 mate tell me the point in the vid where it says that and i'll believe you
Randomly recommended this video by TH-cam, and I really love your style of content! First time subscribing to a recommended video :)
Great video! I was looking for rtx off vs on this game, and found your video
It all depends how its optimized, 2 different solutions. Also its still too big of a performance hit if u want higher res and higher fps, so I dont see myself turning it on much other to see how it looks. Most of the time it doesnt look that much better, it looks different, but when your really playing a game you arent paying attention to every reflection and shadow being as accurate is possible.
This is new info for me. Thanks man. Really appreciate this kind of information.
Very good video about this test and subject!
been using raytracing for years on skyrim and fallout4 through enb... but thats as you said in the video... big performance impact
WOOT! AMD MIGHT just take the crown, and perhaps PRICES will DROP :D
Take the crown? Doubt it.
Close the gap? Yeah.
Honestly, I'm rooting for AMD just to spite Nvidia after their 3000 series launches.
I've lost *so much* respect for Nvidia...
Eh, without rtx amd is a great option, but i doubt they'll match the ray tracing performance of the rtx30 cards, they'll probably be closer to rtx20. But amd is still preferable for people running osx and linux because of better driver support (and most people using those platforms probably dont care about rtx as much as everyone else)
Lets wait a week for them to hit the stores, AMD already took the crown for cpus and i got a feeling they'll do the same for gpus now
concept artists in game development industry make better vehicles than the real ones........ just look at the bus and the ambulance. it has the 2020 style but much more futuristic. beautiful.
Leaving a like for 2:27 😂😂😂
You just earned a new sub. Long time since I watched a gaming channel without thinking I'm watching the Disney channel.
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No clue what we were looking at but he spoke clearly and made me chuckle. My RTX 2070 non super has never had the RT on because it kills my FPS.
Well done! This came up in my recommended videos and I was not disappointed 😃👍
Devs should just get rid of motion blur all together its usually turned off by like 90% of people who play games
I'm excited to see how Smart Access Memory performs
Getting a PS5 at launch and also use a RTX 2060 in my PC so I will be interested in comparing both outputs.
Thanks for the info! Didn't know that.
The way that ray-tracing is implemented in these games is ridiculous - it's like the early days of 3D Movies where they had spiders jumping out of the movie screen at the cinema because well, it's 3D innit? .. So what are we going to get? Every game taking place in a rain drenched environment? In addition - until we get full real time global illumination then, well, it's just a bit of a gimmick. We're still 2 or 3 generations away from that ..
I get what you're saying but I still think it's fun.
How do you think we are going to get there...it takes a journey..
Just a few years ago people said we weren’t gonna get real time ray tracing in games or programs anytime soon. Yet here it is.
This was very informative video and know we can make better decisions! Thank you! :)
My friends all own a ps4 console. Never heard of ray tracing.... while me a computer gamer.. ray tracing has been a thing for years ... computer gaming is the real experience.
Every Bus i've seen in this game is the number 42!
coffee cup crossing the road ? ok
DXR is where development will go.
The characters moving on roads still feel like people are moving their legs in air and hence seem to be walking in air instead of gravity based earth. I hope that the next gen gaming by end of 2021 will have standardized and optimized the visual weight of objects and gravity-affected movements as in Plan 8 video game. I also hope for amazing remasters of all PS1 and PS2 and PS3 games and Xbox games as well on Ps5 and Xbox Series X/S too respectively.
Ray tracing looks weird 🧐
Bluntly I am really impressed you take the time to expand full acronyms and explain them. Shows dedication and a will to inform your viewers. Great job!
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Amazing comparison and killer explanations of what stuff actually is
Can I expect locked 50 frames with ray tracing full, on a rtx 2060 in 1080p ultra?
another channel got 40fps rtx 3090 with rt and on 4k
Lmao u wish, with ray tracing on full with 2060, you'd be lucky to get 30
With the settings I was using here, I was getting ~45, and not even close to "locked". It's unplayable at "ultra" with RT on with a 2060.
I've only been able to get 50fps on a 2080 on high settings at 1440p WITH DLSS Quality setting, with a 100Mhz overclock. Its those 1% lows that are a real pain to try and stay out of judder-fest. There is one particular time of day with bright sunlight that tanked performance more than even night time with rain for some reason, though possibly also down to where on the map I was at the time. Its too early to spot any patterns, at least I haven't had the crashes some people have (except when I tried to leave my default 185Mhz overclock enabled).
I got stucked on 30 fps ultra/very high/high with ray trace medium in my rtx 2070, only on main menu I got 100 fps lmao. Can someone tell me how can I unlock 50fps+? I try to play another games and got more 60-100 fps.
Wow without a doubt RT is the future. Incredible tech.
Am I fucking blind? Other than better reflections on some surfaces, I don’t see a difference.
Say what u want about RTX but Damn the Reflections look incredible.
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This was awesome!
Thanks for the vid blunty!
Not what I was looking for, but still useful haha
your voice is pleasant to listen
Great video, very educational 👌🏽
Wow, what a difference!
I absolutely love this comparison. Thank you so much!!!
Omfg DX12U is fking sick.
Great video. SUBSCRIBE button pushed.
First video of you i saw, damn your voice is calming, also your struckturing is very nice
you get a thumbs up just for putting to words the feelings most people have about motion blur. damn nuisance
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Bluntly, what a well described and highly professional video. Your chilled voice alone won my subscription. Stay safe!
I liked the video :)
If i didn't already have my 3080 i almost certainly would have got the 6800xt. Lets see if nvidia can outpace amd next generation or if amd will secure the crown on both cpus and gpus.
i hope amd wins. they are much more fairly priced compared to intel and nvidia
It looked good at first glance but it felt kinda out of place as it went to the point of unrealistic/ both artistically/aesthetically/ realistically
Ty for making this video. I have seen big TH-cam cpu guys make this mistake before. It killed me inside knowing that amd had been doing this and not getting credit
Hi, can put a label for each video here? 😂
Which is which ?
Jesus fuckingchrist try LISTENING TO THE VIDEO.
People saying the ray tracing looks unreal, go look at pictures of real rainy London for examples. It's because you're too used to unreal graphics.
watching this with my integrated graphic
Engagement... O blessed engagement we heed thy call. Or some crap like that
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