Would appreciate a heavily overclocked comparison for both cards' AIB models! 7900XTX AIBs seem to have a different PCB and Techpowerup had massive OC potential for TUF 7900XTX reported.
And again they give AMD video cards a head start, not including Ray Tracing technology! Although AMD is already the second generation of video cards that supports this technology!
You can get a good experience with a rx 6650xt while paying 1/3 edit: this comment was made 11 months ago and the gpu market is different please take that into account
sure the amd cards are cheaper, but would you really wanna deal with CONSTANT black screens and driver crashes? had a 5700 xt for a few years and although it was an okay card, i will never go back to them because of the sheer amount of crashing
Yes, most will just spend the extra $200 for the 4080 as would I instead of the 7900 XtX. The 4080 is an all rounded better card. If you are going to drop $1000 might as spend a little more for the superior product. What's 20% more when you are already spending $1000. I was forced to purchase a 6800 XT as I couldn't find any 3080 ti cards at the time back in Jan and I paid $1300 for it. Yep I got ripped. I waited for so long I said screw it and I got screwed but oh well. Gaming isn't bad on the 6800 XT but Nvidia's drivers are just so much better. I've been having flickering issues of late with AMD drivers. Something new for sure.
@@benjy117 the point isn't to spend more but to let Nvidia know that we aren't stupid and they can't keep charging whatever they feel like on their products. Just because they believe Moore's Law is dead doesn't mean the entire industry does. People like you are the problem because when competitors put out a great product at a great price you're still going to buy the other product with the company serving you a whole plate of shit.
@@benjy117 how is it an all around better card? 790XTX beats it in most games except RT games. Yes their driver are bad but overtime you'll see the 7900XTX destroy the 4080 and get close to the 4090 in some games lol
test with ray tracing cranked up to the max psycho ray tacing in cyberpunk ultra settings ray tracing in dying light 2 here is good ray traicng test Portal RTX Chernobylite The persistance enhanced sword and fairy 7 the medium the witcher 3 next gen update ghostwire tokyo spiderman miles morales steelrising gotham knights
@@dimancor2925 Don't talk shit, AMD RX Series 7000 is better than Nvidia Series 3000 in Ray Tracing. Just look at the comparisons out there. Stop being a fanboy.
Any chance we see the same tests again but with an AMD processor? I'm thinking maybe there are games out there that favor a particular brand more than another.
@@thisismeellie 7950X + 7900XTX literally enables more decoders for video rendering, better memory access for games and more reliable software... It only makes a difference if you use a Intel CPU at a low resolution.
I run the ryzen 9 7900x with the 7900xtx red dragon and on forza I’m getting about 160fps I would say the 4090 is still better but I got more then the intel did with my combo
On average an extra 20 frames for a $1000 price increase? Insane. This card really does compete with the 4090 on price. I don't think I could ever justify spending $1,000 for 20 extra frames on average. If the 4090 was only 15% more expensive, sure. But 100% more for a 15% performance increase? No way.
if it's just for gaming then when your budget is low then amd is for you, but if you want to do more than gaming and you are rich then nvidia is for you
literally no one these days plays with native resolution dlss quality is like best choice as you get more fps same image quality with less power draw and temps. btw people who can afford such cards are looking for the best of the best. we budget people should stop looking it for price to performance. 4090 still sells like hotcakes for a reason.
what the hell are you talking about? Is the price announced by the company when it reaches the user without any taxes? in my country 7900 xtx price is 1500$ or higher
I just bought the 7900 xtx 30 mins ago..., in Spain the difference in price is almost double, the cheapest 4090 I can find, in stock, is 2099 eur, the 7900 xtx I bought is 1229 eur. Without taking in mind RT, like in this video, the difference is not worth it for my own preference.
RT is basically a Gimmick feature it depend how your playing the game good thing 7900xtx handles much better than last gen . Yeah definitely like 4000 series but better.
AMD have a long history of releasing great graphics cards, but not optimizing the drivers until a few months after release. Usually you can expect significant performances improvements to new cards within a few weeks to 18 months after a release. AMD have been like this for 20 years. Nvidia on the other hand usually have more optimized drivers out of the box, but usually Nvidia offer less good value too. Really, both companies offer great products and both have their pros and cons.
This has never actually been the case , like not ever , it's just copium . I own amd , and i've experienced it firsthand , also historically i've read about this trough the years . The fact that some glitches are fixed and you get a 5% if 5% increase is not enough to buy shit and expect it to magically get better . Altough AMD graphics are really good , please not rely on "we'll fix the drivers soon"
RTX 4090 is 28% better but 120% more expensive. Cannot wait to RX 7900 XTX vs RTX 4080 comparison, but I know almost for sure that the AMD one is gonna be better at price to performance Edit: for those who are commenting that 4090 is better at RT, which is obvious, do you think that its ridiculous overprice worth it just because RT? I don’t think so. We’re talking about a GPU, and is ~$2000+, in what world do we live?
7900 xt is worthless piece of crap, just costing 100 dollars less it's like 30-40% slower and the difference being. It's similar to the scenario where rtx 3050 ti and rtx 3060 laptop
The most interesting part is that 7900XTX only runs at ~2.25Ghz, which is close or lower than 6900XT at most games. Some say the major effiency issue of RDNA 3 is caused by its registers' power consumption. Registers eat a large amount of power headroom towards the card's TBP, so CUs can only run at significantly lower clock speed than they should (>3Ghz). That's the reason why 7900XTX underperforms.
@@jilinzhang5600 Im not fully sure but isn't the 'architecture' of the gpus different. So that means that AMD and Nvidia do the same process but in a different way from eachother?
@@2BuckGeo Nitro+ gives you a lot more power headroom, that's the reason why you can run that clock speed. 3Ghz+ is still difficult for all XTX models.
Same here. I just completed my first build recently. Was thinking wait a year or two then build. The new AMD CPUs with 3D cache paired with this in the future sounds very nice.
@@zeus4634 In the video we just watched, the gap was more like 25%, on top of it, there is clearly something wrong with the drivers and utilization of the card. In some games it has a gain of 70% while in others, it gained 20%, which makes no sense at all. Once drivers are updated properly, im pretty sure the 4090 will be around 10-15% faster only at 4k. Ofc, it will still win by like 50%+ in ray tracing. From this point on, is ray tracing important enough to you to pay this amount of money? it's your choice. In my country, the RTX 4090 sells for 2200$ but it's out of stock, you can find some scalpers selling them 3000-3500$ and the 7900 xtx is around 1300$.
AMD said this GPU was not positioned to compete with RTX 4090. You should do it against the RTX 4080 which is where it is actually priced against. I bet it on most games not using Ray Tracing.
Nope because AMD is trying to force feed us the idea that they can make better cards at much lower prices. And yet year after year it is the same. They fail miserably to improve on nVidia even with higher spec cards like this one because they can’t come up with drivers efficient enough to actually make it run properly. So nah you compare the flagships and then you understand why nVidia is more expensive. It is simply because they know their stuff and they know they’re still way ahead here.
Most RTX 4090 is Europe go for around 2200 euros, while currently the 7900XTX goes for around 1200 euros. So that is a 1000 euros difference for 30% more performance. Even in other parts of the world most 4090 go for around $1800, while the 7900xtx is keeping its price at $1000, with few models being $100 more!
@@rrsharizam so the xard is 25% slower and is not worth it at 50% less money? give me a break nvidia fanboy. Raytracing is used barely still so no real argument for 1000 bucks more
I'm impressed with the 7900 XTX's overall wattage. It's more energy-efficient than the 4090. Of course the 4090 scored higher frame rate, but 20-25 fps difference isn't enough to pay twice the price of the 7900 XTX. For around $2K, I expect at least 40fps difference.
Maybe one day I will be able to afford such a GPU. At the moment I am just happy to get my CPU i7 8700K and GPU EVGA 1080Ti FTW3 re pasted with low temps. My 1080Ti was getting to 86c in 1440p ultra. The re paste got it down drastically 62c at 99% GPU but usually stays in the low 50c range. Really happy with the outcome.
My 1080m laptop is still going strong! 😂 I did the same cuz my temps were getting to the high 80s but after a repaste with thermal Grizzly i’m back down to low 70s @120fps on graphical games like Witcher 3/Skyrim modded heavily. Sad part is I got my PC built from Black Friday sitting at home and just needs a gpu, which I can’t find for a reasonable price 😮💨 And where I live there’s no stores that sell any and online stores sellout so fast
@@noxify5873 I finally built my first pc this year, black friday was crazy bro so much high tier hardware for cheap! This is my build and only spent around $2400: Phanteks midtower/ RedDevil 6950xt/ 5800x3d/ Asus Rog Strix v2 wifi mobo/ Asus Rog AiO 240mm cooler/ 32gb 3600mhz c16 Ripjaws/ Asus Strix 1000w PSU/ 2tb Samsung 980 gaming nvme/1440p 165hz monitor To think msrp this machine is easily $3500-4k 🤯
@@jimmylim5015 Yea for sure! It can supposably handle up to 90c without being damaged. It was only in 1440p high frames though. Like GTA 4 I can have it maxed out graphics wise on 1440p but the frame was locked at 60FPS in that game, so the temps never got over 53c. It only happened on games without frames locked on 1440p ultra.
Despite the 4090 performing better than the 7900 XTX, If you think about the fact that this is 4K, it's still getting really good frames and still giving a very enjoyable experience. And about the price...
I mean, it's nearly half the price, and he is playing in 4K ultra for benchmark purpose, real world use? You're not playing in 4K ultra. At best 4K very high with no anti aliasing, no motion blur, no dof etc... You can clearly shave 10fps more with that.
There's an average of 25fps difference between both....RTX 4090 is a freaking monster....But is very expensive. So the trade-off is considerable if you're gaming at 4K regularly
I think it is worth saving money and then quickly upgrading, cuz I am sure that RTX 5080 will be faster than RTX 4090, like RTX 4080 is better than RTX 3090Ti so it is better to get RX 7900XTX for now because anyway it is monster GPU
The 4090 is the most powerful, and there you don't just pay for performance, but you also pay extra for the fact that it's the best you can get...Nvidia could easily set the MSRP to $2000 and there would still be people who would buy it
RT makes no difference for me so, after 6 long years, my 1060 will be replaced by a RX 7900 XTX and my full AMD system will be finally complete! (I have a Ryzen 5 5600X) Not supporting Nvidia with its BS's pricing ¬¬
Let's set our facts straight for a moment here. We now have a GPU that costs way less than the top two GPUs of NVIDIA, plays everything at 4K/60 FPS, has a lower TDP and is completely futureproof with 24GB. I mean, if I had a 4K monitor, it would be a no brainer. No reason to get a 4080 or a 4090. And let's face it, we won't go to 8K for gaming. I mean, come on, to see the difference in image quality, the 8K monitor should be the size of a cinema screen.
Bro its 600$ difference in amazon 1100$ for 7900xtx and 1700$ for rtx 4090 still even for a 600$ its less performance the problem you dont know how much future updates fps will change maybe amd can catch 4090 or nvidia will push dlss3 even further and we dont know how much amd 7000x3d cpus fps will add maybe alot too its all depends on your budget
7900xtx - FSR only 4090 - DLSS + Fsr + dlss 3.0 + better ray tracing This is where the problem starts at native 4k you can clearly see Amd needs a competeter , Fsr 3.0 is looking promising don't know when and will launch it.
I like the xtx but i think i would stay away from reference cards either red devil or nitro would be my picks. With the stories lately of hot spots hitting 110C its why there’s so much variation in its clocks gaming on some cards. Might just be uneven mounting pressure
I grabbed a Taichi and it hasn't broken 50c yet. Even at 3ghz. AMD always has shitty reference coolers...and I think there were additional defects with the vapor chamber this time around to make matters even worse.
So damm impressive for a card that cost twice as cheap with only 15-30fps difference, I only play online multi-player games so RT is irrelevant for me. I rather have huge fps boost over RT for smoother gaming experience this card looks great for enthusiasts gamers who game above at high refresh rates. Also RT will improve as there is a huge boost in fps coming soon in 1H 2023 not only FSR3 but also Hypr-RX those will improve fps at lower latency (like Nvidia reflex). Also if this isn't enough pair it with their upcoming 7000 series X3D version and you good to go. I'm telling you that the fps difference vs 4090 that 15-30 fps will be caught up with FSR3 and X3D CPU for additional fps boost. Ofcourse with DLSS 3.0 turned on it will also get higher fps but trust me the 7900XTX will be really really close 👌
They may also get higher boost clocks if they will manage to fix a silicon bug preventing them from sustaining 3.3/3.6GHz. Some users managed to get a lucky 7900XTX that were so good they could overclock them to get +40% over stock settings, meaning they would easily beat RTX4090 while drawing only 400W on boost.
As a COD MW II High Fps player the 7900 XTX clearly destroys the RTX4090. Let the fanboys pray to their 60 fps RT slideshow, I take 1440p 311 fps in Warzone 2, load my 240hz monitor with super smooth frames and laugh at the side about a 2500€ 4090 that barely manages a stable 240 fps, in a million player title. KEKW what a waste of money.
By merely plugging 3.5mm audio jack into my monitor, and playing 256kbps MP3, the RX 6600 card already causes audio stuttering. Guess what's causing the issue? It's AMD High Definition Audio Device driver. Shitty company.
I have owned the 7900XTX for 4 months now and while the price to performance was super important to me at the time I have had so many driver issues and problems I am moving over to 4090. I do a lot with AI and AMD is good but also similar problems running Stable Diffusion and I can't even get ComfyUI to work on AMD at all so for me besides gaming I am just moving over to team Green. Ill sell the 7900xtx and get a good chunk back for my 4090 purchase.
The cheapest version of RX7900XTX is priced at the equivalent of 1600$ (usd) in Norway if they had been in stock at a retailer who is selling at normal prices. The only RX7900XTX available I have seen costs 100 - 200 $ less than RTX 4090 RTX 4090 OC cards have been sold for 2150$ The RTX 4090 actually gives similar performance per dollar here while being very superior in ray tracing + having dlss3.0 and better drivers. RX7900XTX pricing makes a lot more sense in USA. RTX 4090 have a price increase of 34% RX7900XTX have a price increase of 60%
It looks like the Processor is allowed to do more work with the 4090 instead of the 7900 ... maybe the NVIDIA drivers smartly delegates more work towards the Processor if the headroom is available.
@@Matt-gf4gd In the UK the cheapest 4090 is £1690 (as of typing this), which equates to $2096. The cheapest 7900XTX is £999. You're basically getting 30% more performance for 70% more money. Not really a good value. Every card in this generation is massively overpriced, Nvidia are especially taking the piss. They saw the scalper pricing from the mining craze and just said "yeah let's charge that" and here we are.
@@TalesOfWar yeah I mean I can only speak for U.S. pricing, which seems to be the gold standard when talking about pricing. Obviously euro dollars/pounds have had a crazy couple of years compared to the dollar and it's going to vary in all sorts of other regions, but U.S. MSRP I personally find the 7900xtx to be a hard sell against the 4090 given the performance gap, power efficiency gap, software support gap, etc.
For me raytracing isnt enough to justify the price of the Nvidia cards either the 4090 or the 4080 most of the games i play look better with good HDR implemented thats far more impactful than seeing real time reflections in a cartoony world.
Why was the core clock on 7900xtx of your bench so low ? I watch / read many review of 7900xtx , on the FE edition the clock should between 2400~2500Mhz and even go further if you have the asus tuf or red devil ( they got 3 8pin ).
The 4090 is running at a frequency 25% higher than the 7900XTX. That is a pretty big difference. A reference 7900XTX should really be getting to at least 2450Mhz but in all the games in the video it barely gets past 2250Mhz. Something not quite right.
Remember that the 4090 will also have better Ray Tracing Performance and a lot more features like DLSS 3 and Frame Generation and also better and reliable drivers. Now it all comes down to which one you can afford
Any chance you could make some tests focusing on power consumption? So like limit framerate to 60 or 120/144 at 4k/1440p/1080p and see which GPU is more power efficient? You can kind of see that 4090 is more power efficient at 4k uncapped, but we don't know for sure in real world scenario, where we would be capping the framerate based on our monitors. Thank you.
Without RT, the 4090, 4080s are WAY more efficient. Not close. Turning on RT the 4090 can get up there with power consumption, but with it off, Nvidia is way more efficient.
@@mattgreenfield8038 amd said that they'll patch the power consumption issue, it more likely some bug so the card draw way too much power than it supposed to.
@Masya N I know. I was just joking. I seriously hope AMD can figure it out. I bought a 4090 on day 1. That doesn't mean I'm rooting for AMD to be competitive. I would love to see AMD figure it all out and maybe next generation beat the Nvidia 5090(or whatever it's called). I would love to try out an AMD card again. It's been a while. But I am rooting for them.
The frame rates on both are super fast, faster in most cases than what I use or need, the gfx and game play on both look exactly the same to me. For a 1200 dollar difference in Australia, the xtx wins hands down for price, and it's all I would need and more. Cheers.
@Trucking Good Times you said that both cards ran so well that you couldn't see the massive 25 to 60% advantage the 4090 has. You do realize youtube cannot show 4k video faster than 60fps. Of course they are going to look the same on TH-cam. I have seen a lot of negative feedback of the AMD cards not working due to driver issues, crashing to desktop, full crashing of the computer, and glitchy inconsistent performance improvements over their last generation 6950XT. The 6950XT actually beats the 7900XTX in some 1440p benchmarks. Thats sounds broken to me...
@@mattgreenfield8038 A lot of people are running these new cards in older last gen systems and expecting full performance out of the card, it's not gonna happen !.
@Trucking Good Times especially at lower resolutions. At 4k native high refresh(4090 owns this market) you do NOT need the fastest CPU . 4k native maxed every setting, whether ray tracing is one of those settings or not won't matter either. With a 4090 it's so damn powerful, you could run a r5 5600x or an i9 13900K and you would barely see any performance advantage at 4k. You might not get even 1 or 2 fps.
@@farturinn which means amd starts with ass written software, great to see amd fans transforming this into "oh wow they work so much on drivers". Fyi i'm not an nvidia fan.
Radeon Image Sharpening is amazing... for me it's a neat feature, some games with RT on doesn't even look that better. AMD cards have beautiful colors and drivers have improved a lot since RX 5000. I got both Nvidia and AMD cards in my computers.
I think another thing to note is your playing on higher resolution then most people. It would be better to do the same test on 1080p or 1440p since they are the most common. because I was watching some other videos with them testing it under 1440p and the AMD GPU was pretty much on par with Nvidia's RTX.
as long as I can set everything to the max, at least 30fps on heaviest scene, and no stuttering, i found out, after a few minutes starting the game, that different fps or refresh rate won't notice at all since usually we got immersed into the game itself, it's just a WOW thing if there's a comparison and by the beginning of the game only
AMD advertised 7900 XTX as the competitor to the 4080. So it would be more in tact to compare those cards. Although this is a great comparison video too. Thanks!
@@ignfan4life Still a win for those who don't play with RT on. Never did so with my 2070 ever since I bought it cause it halves performance for simulated lighting that I'm not really into.
The graphics are crisper, clearer and more realistic on most the games on the XTX, but the video is choppy! Whereas, the RTX 4090 video is way smoother, but lacks the detail and crispy realism of the XTX! If someone can make a video card that combines both the realism and crispiness of the XTX and the smoothness of the frame rates of the RTX 4090, then we would have a very great video card indeed! Maybe when the 4090 TI comes out, we may see such a card!
My biggest take away from this is people are really over exaggerating how much vram we really need. People were bitching about the 4070ti not habing enough vram, and the 4080. The hell, the 4090/7900xtx have 24gb and still only use at a maximum, 10gb. People are going crazy for no reason.
This gpu is an interesting movement of AMD. They want to make a checkmate like they did in a beginning with ryzen. They offer now great performance and lower prices but once they reach some high level of customers in the market they will increase their prices. Just wait and you'll see.
Prices arent that great actually, cuz thus card is competitor for like 3090 or even 3080 and when we check prices again, oh miracle they are the same even worse 😂
@@Takedown87 well yeah prices aren't that great is still expensive especially when you are kot from US and you have to pay a lot more for these products but considering that these 7900 xtx is supposed to compete against rtx 4080 which cost more and not to mention the price of rtx 4090 🙄, AMD prices, performance and TDP (because is getting higher everytime and at the end of the day you will have to pay that increase in the electric bill) won this time.
Thats almost what all companies do. As a consumer we just have to buy the one we want and when it increase the price of its products change to the competence
Pointless discussion. Some say RT is a gimmick they “don’t” need as it only makes the game prettier where all they want is good gameplay. Then 4K is a gimmick too and why would you want to consider that then? Then it’s plain stupid to buy a card close to or over 1000€ or $, when it’s an overkill for 1440p (for AMD without RT). Those who want the best and can afford it, will go for 4090, which a premium product and not aimed at people buying mid-range. Price performance on the Top is a non-issue. Would you compare an M3 to Golf GTI in the same way? So yes, AMD will eventually get close, in about a year or so, then another 6 months to get drivers in check, but then Nvidia will already be closing in on their next gen etc… Today, the fact is that Nvidia launched 2 cards that work on day 1, no issues reported. AMD launched too early, power issues, coil whine, shit drivers (ok updates coming in next MONTHS)… if you really like AMD, then their previous gen is much better VALUE.
What this video showed me is that 4k is just a waste of money, even the mighty 4090 cant hit more than 100fps in most games, 1440p remains king for another generation.
This is the average performance: RTX 4090 | 123.25 RX 7900 XTX | 97.75 The difference is: 26.087% Currently on Amazon US the prices are: RTX 4090 | 1589$ RX 7900 XTX | 980$ The difference is: 62.143% | 609$
En realidad deberíais comparar la RTX 4090 con un crossfire de RX 7900XTX, ya que cuestan lo mismo, pero claro, en esa situación Nvidia sale trasquilada y por mucho además.
Very good comparison test. 👍The differences are very small. At times the RTX4090 seems to show a slightly clearer picture, but really minimal. 🤔 The price difference is significant, in favor of the RX7900XTX.
Yeah, 25% faster is fuck all… Up to 60% faster in some games before you use FG while using less power and running cooler. The description you were looking for is bloodbath.
Two useless comments for no reason at all. Idk if this guy is having issues but his clock speed looks super low in comparison to the others. I've seen on average 2.5 but others have claimed upwards of 3ghz.
@@Cptraktorn th-cam.com/video/j7fA28oG_Rs/w-d-xo.html did he claim as well? 1:44 and 11:20. Let me know what you see unless my ears and eyes are bad. And this was reference.
The 7900xtx can run at 2600-2900 in a lot of game with undervolt and 355watts power limit. In your test she run at only around 2250 mhz. I notice the mem is at only 2247mhz and by default the mem should be at 2487
@@sephiroth4543 I understand that it's obviously a great experience, but I'm not the type of person who'd like to buy the equipment for it. Although I threw in a costly 4090, all the other stuff would be too expensive. I just game on my big TV at max settings and limited fps to 60. That's all I want. Even a 4090 won't be that superfast for long, looking at what the Unreal Engine 5 is capable of. They shouldn't have ditched 3D TVs, though.
I have a 4090 and it is a great card no doubt about that... but in pretty much every example but Plague Tale the FPS difference in game would be pretty much unnoticeable. I also would not consider ray tracing a must have if you want to save some money, it is nice but it does not make games so amazing you cant say no
What? Stop hyperfocusing on the FPS and look a the 1% lows, temperature, and power draw. The 4090's 1% low is often higher than the 7900XTX's average FPS, for example. And this is before we even touch raytracing.
It’s wild how many 4080s are in stock at MSRP, even 7900xts, but there are no 4090 or 7900xtxs to be found for MSRP anywhere. It’s almost as if both companies know which cards are good price to performance and are pushing the other cards to sell that they have warehouses full of. Seems super anti consumer to let bots and scammers continuously abuse your buying system.
If you're not prioritizing Ray Tracing then the 7900 XTX is a good pickup. I personally want ultra settings with ultra RT so I went with Nvidia this time around. The 4090 is a beast but it's not for every gamer obviously.
@@iikatinggangsengii2471 Sure, if you want to play games at 30 fps or less. FSR can help bring that up but even then you're looking at lower fps than Nvidia cards.
Id run them at the same voltage, on a few tests. Id go AMD i wouldnt pay 1000$ for 20-45 fps at 40-150 watts. Watch the GPU wattage on all the tests. Also AMD usually has signifigant gains, after release on driver updates. Love to see the stats in a month or two.
@@mattgreenfield8038well 7900xtx clocked at 2.2ghz while 4090 2.7ghz my 7900xtx nitro is at 2.9ghz stock and believe me it comes seriously close to my 4090 10 fps
Actually, there's the difference but it's less than 1%. I tested it myself on 4090 - if game is really demanding and you push your gpu to the max like native 4k (no dlss), psycho settings Cyberpunk 2077, it's literally the same ~50 vs ~50fps but in case where you can reach 150fps+, it's basically +1-2fps per every 150 frames on average. It's not any rule but it's just like that. In doom eternal on B450 mobo (Aorus Elite v2) after 10mins of just normal gameplay and fooling around I got 457fps max and 198 on avg. Same setup - B550 (ROG Strix), same map, same time - 460max and 199 avg. So yeah, it's just not really worth it to upgrade your mobo just for better pcie if you are mainly gaming on your PC. I don't think it's even worth to look for pcie4 riser if you want to have one. The only place where you will able to see higher numbers are the price and that +1 on it's box :d
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RTX 4090 is 90% faster than RX 7900XTX in Ray tracing and 35% in rasterization so the gap is 40fps to 60fps not 20fps
Would appreciate a heavily overclocked comparison for both cards' AIB models! 7900XTX AIBs seem to have a different PCB and Techpowerup had massive OC potential for TUF 7900XTX reported.
And again they give AMD video cards a head start, not including Ray Tracing technology! Although AMD is already the second generation of video cards that supports this technology!
why is DLSS off? thats the advantages of the card
I wonder how the radeon 7900 looks in combination with the processor from AMD 7XXX and for curiosity AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D. Will there be such a test?
Both have in something common I can't afford it
2023 in a couple of weeks. Start looking at either getting promoted or a new job.
😂😂😂. Same here. I better wait for the RTX 4060 or RTX 4060 equivalent graphics card of AMD.
@@grimdicer152 heh, american dream eh ? uwould think the rest of the world is the same ? lmfao, it would be great if it is, but its not.
is there radeon rx 7400 xt?
@@grimdicer152 My job could pay me 100,000 a year I still would not pay $1000 for a gpu just to play a game
I think the most important takeaway here is that you can get a great experience from the 7900XTX whilst saving yourself a significant amount of money.
Morons cant understand that
You can get a good experience with a 6800xt while paying half
You can get a good experience with a rx 6650xt while paying 1/3
edit: this comment was made 11 months ago and the gpu market is different please take that into account
Oh ! So should we get 1650, cost effective!
I mean you can get an ok experience with integrated GPU while playing about 1/20!
7950x and 7900 xtx is a great build. Swapping the xtx for a 4090 for a 15-25 fps boost in niche games for double the price is madness.
If you have money you don't Care :)
You mean double the framerate at 60% more cost?
sure the amd cards are cheaper, but would you really wanna deal with CONSTANT black screens and driver crashes?
had a 5700 xt for a few years and although it was an okay card, i will never go back to them because of the sheer amount of crashing
@@giraffe3718 AMD cards arent that bad anymore , you can really use them now
Nobody cares about fps, but RTX on vs RTX off
The 7900xtx more likely competes with rtx 4080 in terms of price. Hope we see a video of that. Good job!
@@exit9b150 Thanks
@@cybersamiches4028 np gl
Yes, most will just spend the extra $200 for the 4080 as would I instead of the 7900 XtX. The 4080 is an all rounded better card. If you are going to drop $1000 might as spend a little more for the superior product. What's 20% more when you are already spending $1000. I was forced to purchase a 6800 XT as I couldn't find any 3080 ti cards at the time back in Jan and I paid $1300 for it. Yep I got ripped. I waited for so long I said screw it and I got screwed but oh well. Gaming isn't bad on the 6800 XT but Nvidia's drivers are just so much better. I've been having flickering issues of late with AMD drivers. Something new for sure.
@@benjy117 the point isn't to spend more but to let Nvidia know that we aren't stupid and they can't keep charging whatever they feel like on their products. Just because they believe Moore's Law is dead doesn't mean the entire industry does. People like you are the problem because when competitors put out a great product at a great price you're still going to buy the other product with the company serving you a whole plate of shit.
@@benjy117 how is it an all around better card? 790XTX beats it in most games except RT games. Yes their driver are bad but overtime you'll see the 7900XTX destroy the 4080 and get close to the 4090 in some games lol
Tests with RT will be a little later, but in short, AMD still has problems with this
please a full set of test exclusively with Ray Tracing turned to the max on both card.
use DLSS with nvidia, and FSR with AMD while use RT if its possible
Even Intel is better with RT than AMD
test with ray tracing cranked up to the max psycho ray tacing in cyberpunk ultra settings ray tracing in dying light 2 here is good ray traicng test Portal RTX Chernobylite The persistance enhanced sword and fairy 7 the medium the witcher 3 next gen update ghostwire tokyo spiderman miles morales steelrising gotham knights
@@dimancor2925 Don't talk shit, AMD RX Series 7000 is better than Nvidia Series 3000 in Ray Tracing. Just look at the comparisons out there. Stop being a fanboy.
Any chance we see the same tests again but with an AMD processor? I'm thinking maybe there are games out there that favor a particular brand more than another.
its not just brand, amd cpu utilize amd gpu's better than intel thanks to their direct access memory
I agree with you. AMD specifically mentioned Radeon graphics works best with their Ryzen processors. There must be some benefit from it.
@@techsupport5267 There's no such thing. Maybe AMD CPUs have some pros, but in gaming Intel is obviously a winner.
@@thisismeellie 7950X + 7900XTX literally enables more decoders for video rendering, better memory access for games and more reliable software... It only makes a difference if you use a Intel CPU at a low resolution.
I run the ryzen 9 7900x with the 7900xtx red dragon and on forza I’m getting about 160fps I would say the 4090 is still better but I got more then the intel did with my combo
On average an extra 20 frames for a $1000 price increase? Insane. This card really does compete with the 4090 on price. I don't think I could ever justify spending $1,000 for 20 extra frames on average. If the 4090 was only 15% more expensive, sure. But 100% more for a 15% performance increase? No way.
if it's just for gaming then when your budget is low then amd is for you, but if you want to do more than gaming and you are rich then nvidia is for you
exactly my thoughts
DLSS OFF... with DLSS is best far away.
literally no one these days plays with native resolution dlss quality is like best choice as you get more fps same image quality with less power draw and temps. btw people who can afford such cards are looking for the best of the best. we budget people should stop looking it for price to performance. 4090 still sells like hotcakes for a reason.
what the hell are you talking about?
Is the price announced by the company when it reaches the user without any taxes?
in my country 7900 xtx price is 1500$ or higher
I just bought the 7900 xtx 30 mins ago..., in Spain the difference in price is almost double, the cheapest 4090 I can find, in stock, is 2099 eur, the 7900 xtx I bought is 1229 eur.
Without taking in mind RT, like in this video, the difference is not worth it for my own preference.
When you buy the 4090 you are also buying the technology (like the DLSS 3.0) that can get you more than 2x fps.
RT is basically a Gimmick feature it depend how your playing the game good thing 7900xtx handles much better than last gen . Yeah definitely like 4000 series but better.
You could buy an rtx 3090 for 700 used these days and get near 7900xtx performance at a much cheaper price point
Habla en español.
@@dex_t no
AMD have a long history of releasing great graphics cards, but not optimizing the drivers until a few months after release. Usually you can expect significant performances improvements to new cards within a few weeks to 18 months after a release. AMD have been like this for 20 years. Nvidia on the other hand usually have more optimized drivers out of the box, but usually Nvidia offer less good value too. Really, both companies offer great products and both have their pros and cons.
You ain't wrong especially since it was confirmed that sometime in quarter one of 2023 we would get a massive boost in performance in that fsr thing.
@@franktoth1272 Hope that's true, I just ordered a xfx 7900xtx.
@@luisangelini2220 Me too, just got mine last week.
@@ricsim78 Nice. Hope you will enjoy it as much as I'm enjoying mine.
This has never actually been the case , like not ever , it's just copium . I own amd , and i've experienced it firsthand , also historically i've read about this trough the years . The fact that some glitches are fixed and you get a 5% if 5% increase is not enough to buy shit and expect it to magically get better .
Altough AMD graphics are really good , please not rely on "we'll fix the drivers soon"
4:54
90 fps 4K no DLSS is absolutely insane. Even 30 fps in this game is playable I can't even imagine how RT would look
No DLSS is the key here, that's what sets them apart. You'd get 50-75% more fps with the Nvidia.
@Maestro you know that basically every company in the world copys ideas? xD
Got my XTX at 9 am on launch day from Microcenter. Love this card so far!
cool
RTX 4090 is 28% better but 120% more expensive. Cannot wait to RX 7900 XTX vs RTX 4080 comparison, but I know almost for sure that the AMD one is gonna be better at price to performance
Edit: for those who are commenting that 4090 is better at RT, which is obvious, do you think that its ridiculous overprice worth it just because RT? I don’t think so. We’re talking about a GPU, and is ~$2000+, in what world do we live?
how 55% ? 4090 is more than twice the price of XTX (considering actual price of 4090 and not msrp)
@@shet999 yeah bro I got confused with the numbers. Actually is 120%
@@shet999 even more price to performance difference 😅
Percentages updated hehe
7900 xt is worthless piece of crap, just costing 100 dollars less it's like 30-40% slower and the difference being. It's similar to the scenario where rtx 3050 ti and rtx 3060 laptop
Still too expensive. Remember when high-end GPU's were $700?
stop living in the past
@@tempusfugit5388 stop paying stupid prices.
$200 in my day
@@tempusfugit5388 i bet you use your mommy and daddy's money to get you buy a gpu
@@dinoxsilhouette1310 I don't complain like most of you if i can't afford something i work hardar/smarter to get it instead of crying about prices.
The most interesting part is that 7900XTX only runs at ~2.25Ghz, which is close or lower than 6900XT at most games. Some say the major effiency issue of RDNA 3 is caused by its registers' power consumption. Registers eat a large amount of power headroom towards the card's TBP, so CUs can only run at significantly lower clock speed than they should (>3Ghz). That's the reason why 7900XTX underperforms.
What's the fix?
@@biigsmokee A design problem can't be fixed by drivers or a firmware update.
@@jilinzhang5600 Im not fully sure but isn't the 'architecture' of the gpus different. So that means that AMD and Nvidia do the same process but in a different way from eachother?
My 7900xtx runs at 2.8 to 3 Ghz... It is a nitro +. I must have won the silicon lottery.
@@2BuckGeo Nitro+ gives you a lot more power headroom, that's the reason why you can run that clock speed. 3Ghz+ is still difficult for all XTX models.
love how you're running the 4090 above its boost clock but the 7900xtx below its game clock
Probably paid by nvidia to advertise.
You must be regarded
7900 XTX OC draws even more power consumption compared with RTX 4090
I have reservations on building an all AMD platform next year, but I'm leaning more and more into it.
noob, zen4 is absolutely trash ;)
Same here. I just completed my first build recently. Was thinking wait a year or two then build. The new AMD CPUs with 3D cache paired with this in the future sounds very nice.
RTX 4090 is 90% faster than RX 7900XTX in Ray tracing and 35% in rasterization so the gap is 40fps to 60fps not 20fps
@@zeus4634 In the video we just watched, the gap was more like 25%, on top of it, there is clearly something wrong with the drivers and utilization of the card. In some games it has a gain of 70% while in others, it gained 20%, which makes no sense at all. Once drivers are updated properly, im pretty sure the 4090 will be around 10-15% faster only at 4k.
Ofc, it will still win by like 50%+ in ray tracing. From this point on, is ray tracing important enough to you to pay this amount of money? it's your choice.
In my country, the RTX 4090 sells for 2200$ but it's out of stock, you can find some scalpers selling them 3000-3500$ and the 7900 xtx is around 1300$.
@@lolEnlightenmentlol exactly people became complete idiots with this raytracing
20fps or 1200$
AMD said this GPU was not positioned to compete with RTX 4090. You should do it against the RTX 4080 which is where it is actually priced against. I bet it on most games not using Ray Tracing.
Lol no
Here in Norway RTX4070ti and RX7900XT cost the same...
@@a64738 RTX 4070 TI cost more than rx 7900 xt for about 200 dollar
The rtx 4090 may give you more FPS but the RX 7900 XTX is far more cost effective with its performance. I am going to change from Nvidia to AMD now.
Isn't the RX 7900 XTX 600$ cheaper than the RTX 4090? Shouldn't we compare to the RTX 4080 instead?
This one is to see who can make fastest gpu at all cost. I am sure he also make videos of the same price gpu too.
Nope because AMD is trying to force feed us the idea that they can make better cards at much lower prices. And yet year after year it is the same. They fail miserably to improve on nVidia even with higher spec cards like this one because they can’t come up with drivers efficient enough to actually make it run properly.
So nah you compare the flagships and then you understand why nVidia is more expensive. It is simply because they know their stuff and they know they’re still way ahead here.
this is the fastest card AMD has to offer, so no
That makes zero sense when this is AMD's best card.
@@LETSROCKTA AMDs strongpoint is value at the moment and you can't really knock them for that
Most RTX 4090 is Europe go for around 2200 euros, while currently the 7900XTX goes for around 1200 euros. So that is a 1000 euros difference for 30% more performance. Even in other parts of the world most 4090 go for around $1800, while the 7900xtx is keeping its price at $1000, with few models being $100 more!
Rtx 4090 cost 2200eu in Vietnam too
@@phucdatbich chả có mã nào 2k2 euro. Biết thì nói k biết thì thưa. Mấy con đắt nhất tầm 50 củ thôi. Biết 2k2 euro bao nhiêu tiền k?
Amd XTX is not even worth 50% of Nvidia 4090 price
@@marekdurina2422 rtx 4090 goes for 4000 in the US lol
@@rrsharizam so the xard is 25% slower and is not worth it at 50% less money? give me a break nvidia fanboy. Raytracing is used barely still so no real argument for 1000 bucks more
I'm impressed with the 7900 XTX's overall wattage. It's more energy-efficient than the 4090. Of course the 4090 scored higher frame rate, but 20-25 fps difference isn't enough to pay twice the price of the 7900 XTX. For around $2K, I expect at least 40fps difference.
4080 is more powerful, more energy efficient, better drivers, more technology.
@@user-un5cl5oh1dnot better pricing though
Maybe one day I will be able to afford such a GPU. At the moment I am just happy to get my CPU i7 8700K and GPU EVGA 1080Ti FTW3 re pasted with low temps. My 1080Ti was getting to 86c in 1440p ultra. The re paste got it down drastically 62c at 99% GPU but usually stays in the low 50c range. Really happy with the outcome.
My 1080m laptop is still going strong! 😂 I did the same cuz my temps were getting to the high 80s but after a repaste with thermal Grizzly i’m back down to low 70s @120fps on graphical games like Witcher 3/Skyrim modded heavily. Sad part is I got my PC built from Black Friday sitting at home and just needs a gpu, which I can’t find for a reasonable price 😮💨 And where I live there’s no stores that sell any and online stores sellout so fast
I remember looking at those parts when I started playing siege and just saying to myself like damn someday lol
@@noxify5873 I finally built my first pc this year, black friday was crazy bro so much high tier hardware for cheap!
This is my build and only spent around $2400:
Phanteks midtower/ RedDevil 6950xt/ 5800x3d/ Asus Rog Strix v2 wifi mobo/ Asus Rog AiO 240mm cooler/ 32gb 3600mhz c16 Ripjaws/ Asus Strix 1000w PSU/ 2tb Samsung 980 gaming nvme/1440p 165hz monitor
To think msrp this machine is easily $3500-4k 🤯
That's a bit too hot for a 1080 Ti on 1440p.
@@jimmylim5015 Yea for sure! It can supposably handle up to 90c without being damaged. It was only in 1440p high frames though. Like GTA 4 I can have it maxed out graphics wise on 1440p but the frame was locked at 60FPS in that game, so the temps never got over 53c. It only happened on games without frames locked on 1440p ultra.
Can you definitely do 4080 vs 6950 vs 7900 xtx. That would be awesome 👌
Yeah lol because the 4090 is too much for AMD 😆👌.
@@Maestro_Hulknot too much, it's too hot that it's melting
Despite the 4090 performing better than the 7900 XTX, If you think about the fact that this is 4K, it's still getting really good frames and still giving a very enjoyable experience. And about the price...
I mean, it's nearly half the price, and he is playing in 4K ultra for benchmark purpose, real world use? You're not playing in 4K ultra. At best 4K very high with no anti aliasing, no motion blur, no dof etc... You can clearly shave 10fps more with that.
The difference is significant but when you consider it is literally double the price its a non starter.
For almost half the price you can get something I can't tell the difference as far as gameplay experience. Easy choice for me. Thanks for this.
Both GPUs can run 4k 60+fps in all games at higher graphics.....
Reducing graphics can increase frames tooo
My choice goes straight to 7900xtx
No RT...
@@ImGello sure...
You dont spend 1200 to turn settings down, except esports.
enjoy 20fps in cp2077 with RT LMA9
@@AdiiS level 3090(ti) why not? The same 4080 has drops below 29 frames on ultra, rays in native 4k go well only on 4090.
There's an average of 25fps difference between both....RTX 4090 is a freaking monster....But is very expensive. So the trade-off is considerable if you're gaming at 4K regularly
I think it is worth saving money and then quickly upgrading, cuz I am sure that RTX 5080 will be faster than RTX 4090, like RTX 4080 is better than RTX 3090Ti so it is better to get RX 7900XTX for now because anyway it is monster GPU
20fps = 1200$
rtx 4090 is a monster.. just like its price lol
The 4090 is the most powerful, and there you don't just pay for performance, but you also pay extra for the fact that it's the best you can get...Nvidia could easily set the MSRP to $2000 and there would still be people who would buy it
Nvidia has lost their mind if they think Im buying this. I think a lot of people gonna switch to AMD!
who ?
Wake up to reality dude
As someone from the future... AMD just lost 48% of their sales in dGPUs, so...
RT makes no difference for me so, after 6 long years, my 1060 will be replaced by a RX 7900 XTX and my full AMD system will be finally complete! (I have a Ryzen 5 5600X)
Not supporting Nvidia with its BS's pricing ¬¬
Let's set our facts straight for a moment here. We now have a GPU that costs way less than the top two GPUs of NVIDIA, plays everything at 4K/60 FPS, has a lower TDP and is completely futureproof with 24GB. I mean, if I had a 4K monitor, it would be a no brainer. No reason to get a 4080 or a 4090. And let's face it, we won't go to 8K for gaming. I mean, come on, to see the difference in image quality, the 8K monitor should be the size of a cinema screen.
Without DLSS: 4090 +20 FPS
With DLSS: 4090 +40 FPS
Basically a 20-30 fps difference with a 1200$ gap in price, although the rtx 4090 have the dlss 3.0 which can get some more fps if necessary.
Bro its 600$ difference in amazon 1100$ for 7900xtx and 1700$ for rtx 4090 still even for a 600$ its less performance the problem you dont know how much future updates fps will change maybe amd can catch 4090 or nvidia will push dlss3 even further and we dont know how much amd 7000x3d cpus fps will add maybe alot too its all depends on your budget
AMD has FSR... Why does so little people know about this
@@FoxityIV marketing flaws amd doesnt market fsr like nvidia do with dlss or people just forget it lol
@FoxityIV Nobody has forgotten FSR, DLSS is just better overall. FSR is still great though, considering it works on almost any modern card out there.
@@GFE. oh they market it everytime they show their gpus...
7900xtx - FSR only
4090 - DLSS + Fsr + dlss 3.0 + better ray tracing
This is where the problem starts at native 4k you can clearly see Amd needs a competeter , Fsr 3.0 is looking promising don't know when and will launch it.
450W TDP*
All New Burning 16pin connector**
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@@nct7259 cope harder
But lacks of display port on 4090. What's the point of higher FPS in higher resolution if your screen can't show it to you?
I like the xtx but i think i would stay away from reference cards either red devil or nitro would be my picks. With the stories lately of hot spots hitting 110C its why there’s so much variation in its clocks gaming on some cards. Might just be uneven mounting pressure
My gf taught me about uneven mounting pressure.
I grabbed a Taichi and it hasn't broken 50c yet. Even at 3ghz. AMD always has shitty reference coolers...and I think there were additional defects with the vapor chamber this time around to make matters even worse.
Seeing as all these games are running at 4k is cool
So damm impressive for a card that cost twice as cheap with only 15-30fps difference, I only play online multi-player games so RT is irrelevant for me. I rather have huge fps boost over RT for smoother gaming experience this card looks great for enthusiasts gamers who game above at high refresh rates. Also RT will improve as there is a huge boost in fps coming soon in 1H 2023 not only FSR3 but also Hypr-RX those will improve fps at lower latency (like Nvidia reflex). Also if this isn't enough pair it with their upcoming 7000 series X3D version and you good to go. I'm telling you that the fps difference vs 4090 that 15-30 fps will be caught up with FSR3 and X3D CPU for additional fps boost. Ofcourse with DLSS 3.0 turned on it will also get higher fps but trust me the 7900XTX will be really really close 👌
They may also get higher boost clocks if they will manage to fix a silicon bug preventing them from sustaining 3.3/3.6GHz. Some users managed to get a lucky 7900XTX that were so good they could overclock them to get +40% over stock settings, meaning they would easily beat RTX4090 while drawing only 400W on boost.
Amd XTX is not even worth 50% of Nvidia 4090 price
@@rrsharizam
7900xtx is overrated, the 1600$ 4090 is still better value and more power efficient even
As a COD MW II High Fps player the 7900 XTX clearly destroys the RTX4090. Let the fanboys pray to their 60 fps RT slideshow, I take 1440p 311 fps in Warzone 2, load my 240hz monitor with super smooth frames and laugh at the side about a 2500€ 4090 that barely manages a stable 240 fps, in a million player title. KEKW what a waste of money.
By merely plugging 3.5mm audio jack into my monitor, and playing 256kbps MP3, the RX 6600 card already causes audio stuttering. Guess what's causing the issue? It's AMD High Definition Audio Device driver. Shitty company.
I have owned the 7900XTX for 4 months now and while the price to performance was super important to me at the time I have had so many driver issues and problems I am moving over to 4090. I do a lot with AI and AMD is good but also similar problems running Stable Diffusion and I can't even get ComfyUI to work on AMD at all so for me besides gaming I am just moving over to team Green. Ill sell the 7900xtx and get a good chunk back for my 4090 purchase.
The cheapest version of RX7900XTX is priced at the equivalent of 1600$ (usd) in Norway if they had been in stock at a retailer who is selling at normal prices.
The only RX7900XTX available I have seen costs 100 - 200 $ less than RTX 4090
RTX 4090 OC cards have been sold for 2150$
The RTX 4090 actually gives similar performance per dollar here while being very superior in ray tracing + having dlss3.0 and better drivers.
RX7900XTX pricing makes a lot more sense in USA.
RTX 4090 have a price increase of 34%
RX7900XTX have a price increase of 60%
Basically, 25% more fps cost double the price and 25% more power consumption.
It looks like the Processor is allowed to do more work with the 4090 instead of the 7900 ... maybe the NVIDIA drivers smartly delegates more work towards the Processor if the headroom is available.
Thought the same
I think the more impressive thing is that the 4090 can get 30% more performance while often times using a similar amount of power draw.
and its 120% more expensive
@@rokas8457 $1600 isn't 120% more than $1000... It's 60% more expensive.
@@Matt-gf4gd Maybe in your Country. In Holland the cheapest 4090 is 1900 euro's
@@Matt-gf4gd In the UK the cheapest 4090 is £1690 (as of typing this), which equates to $2096. The cheapest 7900XTX is £999. You're basically getting 30% more performance for 70% more money. Not really a good value. Every card in this generation is massively overpriced, Nvidia are especially taking the piss. They saw the scalper pricing from the mining craze and just said "yeah let's charge that" and here we are.
@@TalesOfWar yeah I mean I can only speak for U.S. pricing, which seems to be the gold standard when talking about pricing. Obviously euro dollars/pounds have had a crazy couple of years compared to the dollar and it's going to vary in all sorts of other regions, but U.S. MSRP I personally find the 7900xtx to be a hard sell against the 4090 given the performance gap, power efficiency gap, software support gap, etc.
No one beats the 4090!!!
I love how no game is optimized for more than 12gb of vram…
For me raytracing isnt enough to justify the price of the Nvidia cards either the 4090 or the 4080 most of the games i play look better with good HDR implemented thats far more impactful than seeing real time reflections in a cartoony world.
Why was the core clock on 7900xtx of your bench so low ? I watch / read many review of 7900xtx , on the FE edition the clock should between 2400~2500Mhz and even go further if you have the asus tuf or red devil ( they got 3 8pin ).
I was wondering the same thing. I can't wait to see what happens when new drivers improve performance.
The 4090 is running at a frequency 25% higher than the 7900XTX. That is a pretty big difference. A reference 7900XTX should really be getting to at least 2450Mhz but in all the games in the video it barely gets past 2250Mhz. Something not quite right.
@@Dark-qx8rk see ? Tell me if i am wrong but why a big channel like this one can pull out a no fair benchmarking like this ?!
Remember that the 4090 will also have better Ray Tracing Performance and a lot more features like DLSS 3 and Frame Generation and also better and reliable drivers.
Now it all comes down to which one you can afford
Reliable drivers arent rlly an argument anymore amd drivers are way better then what they used to be and who uses dlss with a 4090
Fuck Ray Tracing. Its still shit😅
Any chance you could make some tests focusing on power consumption?
So like limit framerate to 60 or 120/144 at 4k/1440p/1080p and see which GPU is more power efficient?
You can kind of see that 4090 is more power efficient at 4k uncapped, but we don't know for sure in real world scenario, where we would be capping the framerate based on our monitors.
Thank you.
Without RT, the 4090, 4080s are WAY more efficient. Not close. Turning on RT the 4090 can get up there with power consumption, but with it off, Nvidia is way more efficient.
@@mattgreenfield8038 amd said that they'll patch the power consumption issue, it more likely some bug so the card draw way too much power than it supposed to.
@@masyan3457 AMD said....smh
@@mattgreenfield8038 what? They'll patch the high idle power consumption, there's news for it.
@Masya N I know. I was just joking. I seriously hope AMD can figure it out. I bought a 4090 on day 1. That doesn't mean I'm rooting for AMD to be competitive. I would love to see AMD figure it all out and maybe next generation beat the Nvidia 5090(or whatever it's called). I would love to try out an AMD card again. It's been a while. But I am rooting for them.
The frame rates on both are super fast, faster in most cases than what I use or need, the gfx and game play on both look exactly the same to me.
For a 1200 dollar difference in Australia, the xtx wins hands down for price, and it's all I would need and more. Cheers.
But does it work?
@@mattgreenfield8038 Does what work ?
@Trucking Good Times you said that both cards ran so well that you couldn't see the massive 25 to 60% advantage the 4090 has. You do realize youtube cannot show 4k video faster than 60fps. Of course they are going to look the same on TH-cam. I have seen a lot of negative feedback of the AMD cards not working due to driver issues, crashing to desktop, full crashing of the computer, and glitchy inconsistent performance improvements over their last generation 6950XT. The 6950XT actually beats the 7900XTX in some 1440p benchmarks. Thats sounds broken to me...
@@mattgreenfield8038 A lot of people are running these new cards in older last gen systems and expecting full performance out of the card, it's not gonna happen !.
@Trucking Good Times especially at lower resolutions. At 4k native high refresh(4090 owns this market) you do NOT need the fastest CPU . 4k native maxed every setting, whether ray tracing is one of those settings or not won't matter either. With a 4090 it's so damn powerful, you could run a r5 5600x or an i9 13900K and you would barely see any performance advantage at 4k. You might not get even 1 or 2 fps.
And possibly room for a huge improvement on the RX7900XTX with future driver optimisation
same for nVidia.
@@fabricejaouen378 historically not as significant
@@farturinn which means amd starts with ass written software, great to see amd fans transforming this into "oh wow they work so much on drivers". Fyi i'm not an nvidia fan.
@@fabricejaouen378 I have Never owned an AMD GPU..
Radeon Image Sharpening is amazing... for me it's a neat feature, some games with RT on doesn't even look that better. AMD cards have beautiful colors and drivers have improved a lot since RX 5000. I got both Nvidia and AMD cards in my computers.
I think another thing to note is your playing on higher resolution then most people. It would be better to do the same test on 1080p or 1440p since they are the most common. because I was watching some other videos with them testing it under 1440p and the AMD GPU was pretty much on par with Nvidia's RTX.
as long as I can set everything to the max, at least 30fps on heaviest scene, and no stuttering, i found out, after a few minutes starting the game, that different fps or refresh rate won't notice at all since usually we got immersed into the game itself, it's just a WOW thing if there's a comparison and by the beginning of the game only
I notice up until around 80 to 90 FPS after that its just butter smooth and IDC
AMD advertised 7900 XTX as the competitor to the 4080. So it would be more in tact to compare those cards. Although this is a great comparison video too. Thanks!
This is the flagship comparision, we should have such comparisons. It would be great to see the 4090Ti and whatever the 7950 XTXXX AMD releases.
is the 7900 XTX will perform better with an AMD CPU and using smart access memory?
Both cards are overkill for most people lol. Best option is still a 6800xt at $500/$600 USD. It can run basically anything 4k 60 or 1440p 144.
some people want more and that's where these cards come in
I have the 6800xt and I agree. I still plan to buy the 7900xtx if it ever becomes available.
This card's competitor is RTX 4080. I'd like to see that too.
How? It's AMD's top card. Its competition should be Nvidia's best.
They are equally same
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@@ignfan4life we live in a capitalistic world so similar prices involve competition , unless you have unlimited money, do you?
Graphics cards are so expensive now, remember that a high-end PC system used to cost only $1,000
Hit the like button 2 seconds right after video started because of no stupid intro at the beginning
Thanks for the video!
Could you do 7900 xtx vs 4080, thanks :D
Half the price, but not half the performance. The 7900 XTX is doing a good job, and there's room for improvement with driver updates.
Until you see RT benchmarks, and it is half the performance.
@@ignfan4life Still a win for those who don't play with RT on. Never did so with my 2070 ever since I bought it cause it halves performance for simulated lighting that I'm not really into.
It's not half the price at least here
4090 and 7900xtx are incredibly close to price like 40-60 USD
@@ignfan4life Only the 4090 does meaningful RT in 4K, with the 4080 you have to compromise just as with the 4080.
The graphics are crisper, clearer and more realistic on most the games on the XTX, but the video is choppy! Whereas, the RTX 4090 video is way smoother, but lacks the detail and crispy realism of the XTX! If someone can make a video card that combines both the realism and crispiness of the XTX and the smoothness of the frame rates of the RTX 4090, then we would have a very great video card indeed! Maybe when the 4090 TI comes out, we may see such a card!
My biggest take away from this is people are really over exaggerating how much vram we really need. People were bitching about the 4070ti not habing enough vram, and the 4080. The hell, the 4090/7900xtx have 24gb and still only use at a maximum, 10gb. People are going crazy for no reason.
I'm curious how they would compare now that the 7900 has improved its software
Like what
This gpu is an interesting movement of AMD. They want to make a checkmate like they did in a beginning with ryzen. They offer now great performance and lower prices but once they reach some high level of customers in the market they will increase their prices. Just wait and you'll see.
Prices arent that great actually, cuz thus card is competitor for like 3090 or even 3080 and when we check prices again, oh miracle they are the same even worse 😂
@@Takedown87 well yeah prices aren't that great is still expensive especially when you are kot from US and you have to pay a lot more for these products but considering that these 7900 xtx is supposed to compete against rtx 4080 which cost more and not to mention the price of rtx 4090 🙄, AMD prices, performance and TDP (because is getting higher everytime and at the end of the day you will have to pay that increase in the electric bill) won this time.
Thats almost what all companies do. As a consumer we just have to buy the one we want and when it increase the price of its products change to the competence
RTX 4090 is 90% faster than RX 7900XTX in Ray tracing and 35% in rasterization so the gap is 40fps to 60fps not 20fps.
Pointless discussion. Some say RT is a gimmick they “don’t” need as it only makes the game prettier where all they want is good gameplay. Then 4K is a gimmick too and why would you want to consider that then? Then it’s plain stupid to buy a card close to or over 1000€ or $, when it’s an overkill for 1440p (for AMD without RT). Those who want the best and can afford it, will go for 4090, which a premium product and not aimed at people buying mid-range. Price performance on the Top is a non-issue. Would you compare an M3 to Golf GTI in the same way?
So yes, AMD will eventually get close, in about a year or so, then another 6 months to get drivers in check, but then Nvidia will already be closing in on their next gen etc… Today, the fact is that Nvidia launched 2 cards that work on day 1, no issues reported. AMD launched too early, power issues, coil whine, shit drivers (ok updates coming in next MONTHS)… if you really like AMD, then their previous gen is much better VALUE.
What this video showed me is that 4k is just a waste of money, even the mighty 4090 cant hit more than 100fps in most games, 1440p remains king for another generation.
This is the average performance:
RTX 4090 | 123.25
RX 7900 XTX | 97.75
The difference is:
26.087%
Currently on Amazon US the prices are:
RTX 4090 | 1589$
RX 7900 XTX | 980$
The difference is:
62.143% | 609$
En realidad deberíais comparar la RTX 4090 con un crossfire de RX 7900XTX, ya que cuestan lo mismo, pero claro, en esa situación Nvidia sale trasquilada y por mucho además.
4090 is still the only option for 4k144hz
its the only option for 1000$+ imo
@@tedteddy76793090 is terrible for 4K even worse with ray tracing
@Ted Teddy yeah if you play on low settings, 3090 is for 4k60 or high 1440p
11Gb VRAM usage in some games. 4K is the beast resolution.
Wasn't there some type of synergy mentioned between 5000 or 7000 series CPUs being paired with 7900XTX and 7900XT?
You mean Smart Access Memory or SAM?
@@Cornholio_X tbh, I'm really not sure 🤔
Very good comparison test. 👍The differences are very small. At times the RTX4090 seems to show a slightly clearer picture, but really minimal. 🤔 The price difference is significant, in favor of the RX7900XTX.
Yeah, 25% faster is fuck all…
Up to 60% faster in some games before you use FG while using less power and running cooler.
The description you were looking for is bloodbath.
@@oxfordsparky and it should be for well over 1000$ price increase don't you think?
Thanks for posting. Did you encounter any issues with the 7900 XTX? I heard there's been a lot of driver and hardware issues according to reviews.
AMD NOOB
Don't watch trash channels then
Two useless comments for no reason at all. Idk if this guy is having issues but his clock speed looks super low in comparison to the others. I've seen on average 2.5 but others have claimed upwards of 3ghz.
@@dayadam16 3ghz are claims by "sources" about the aib cards.
@@Cptraktorn th-cam.com/video/j7fA28oG_Rs/w-d-xo.html did he claim as well? 1:44 and 11:20. Let me know what you see unless my ears and eyes are bad. And this was reference.
Basically 25-30% more fps in most game for more than 2x the price
The 7900xtx can run at 2600-2900 in a lot of game with undervolt and 355watts power limit. In your test she run at only around 2250 mhz. I notice the mem is at only 2247mhz and by default the mem should be at 2487
La mejor opcion en estos momentos relacion precio rendimiento es definitivamente AMD . , pagarias tu ?1000 dlls mas por 30 fps
Y dlss 3.0
Pues claro nvidia es lo mejor
Overall the RX 7900 XTX is a very good card for the price
Fuck no
If you don't care about RT, then yes.
Nobody cares about RT bro
@@nct7259if you pay for $1000+ for a GPU, you certainly care.
@@nct7259 you dont have money so you dont care about it. Rich people who are willing to buy a thousand buck gpu will care about it.
Didn't expect NVIDIA to be the efficient one
NVIDIA has the better process right now. With Ampere NVIDIA was inferior, thats why AMD was able to get the better efficiency.
Pricing is off for xtx you need to put scalper price on it to.
All pricing arguments aside, for the full package, I'm still going the 4090-route.
Especially if you need Cuda.
It is stunning for VR if you are into that too
@@sephiroth4543 Still don't have the 4090, but soon. I'm not into VR, though.
@vanillabumblebee5547 you should try microsoft flight simulator in VR one day
@@sephiroth4543 I understand that it's obviously a great experience, but I'm not the type of person who'd like to buy the equipment for it. Although I threw in a costly 4090, all the other stuff would be too expensive. I just game on my big TV at max settings and limited fps to 60. That's all I want. Even a 4090 won't be that superfast for long, looking at what the Unreal Engine 5 is capable of.
They shouldn't have ditched 3D TVs, though.
I have a 4090 and it is a great card no doubt about that... but in pretty much every example but Plague Tale the FPS difference in game would be pretty much unnoticeable. I also would not consider ray tracing a must have if you want to save some money, it is nice but it does not make games so amazing you cant say no
no, u haven't, lier.
RTX is dog shit now anyways, in Cyberpunk it gives me fucking reflections on PAVEMENT. Usless shit to make the game look "Beautiful"
Amd is rubbish at VR gaming
What? Stop hyperfocusing on the FPS and look a the 1% lows, temperature, and power draw. The 4090's 1% low is often higher than the 7900XTX's average FPS, for example. And this is before we even touch raytracing.
2000 eur? For this price not a single game should be under 144 fps with full ultra settings and RT enabled
I paid $1799 for my MSI RTX4090 Suprim Liquid cooled X 24G at Microcenter. Wasn't even close to $2200.
I have a founders 4090, but the 7900xtx is nothing to scoff at. It turned out to be a great card.
But xtx is far more comparable to the 4080
I believe the competitor of 4090 will be 7950 XT/XTX. Despite this, AMD nailded the target, even when XTX is compared to 4080.
AMD wont be competitor at all and even though nVidia got greedy, they will hold.
Bruh idk even some old games require 3.3 ghz
Conclusion-get the rx 7900xtx
It’s wild how many 4080s are in stock at MSRP, even 7900xts, but there are no 4090 or 7900xtxs to be found for MSRP anywhere. It’s almost as if both companies know which cards are good price to performance and are pushing the other cards to sell that they have warehouses full of. Seems super anti consumer to let bots and scammers continuously abuse your buying system.
If you're not prioritizing Ray Tracing then the 7900 XTX is a good pickup. I personally want ultra settings with ultra RT so I went with Nvidia this time around. The 4090 is a beast but it's not for every gamer obviously.
What RT helps in game?
@@primev1382 It helps with visual quality obviously
@@geo32573 I think its 70% or more of rt of 4080 but, nvidia sponsored title, have some special particle effect to choke amd cards.
nothing wrong with xtx pick for future ray tracing games
@@iikatinggangsengii2471 Sure, if you want to play games at 30 fps or less. FSR can help bring that up but even then you're looking at lower fps than Nvidia cards.
So basically if you want that extra 20 fps you pay 1000
rockstar make games and you have to wait 10+ years to get a gpu and be able to run it at max graphics settings
Id run them at the same voltage, on a few tests. Id go AMD i wouldnt pay 1000$ for 20-45 fps at 40-150 watts.
Watch the GPU wattage on all the tests.
Also AMD usually has signifigant gains, after release on driver updates. Love to see the stats in a month or two.
Just can't admit defeat. Smh...
@@mattgreenfield8038well 7900xtx clocked at 2.2ghz while 4090 2.7ghz my 7900xtx nitro is at 2.9ghz stock and believe me it comes seriously close to my 4090 10 fps
7900 xtx is a 4080 competitor, not a 4090 competitor. And 7900 xtx price also can't compete with Nvidia
RX 7900 XTX $2200 NZD RTX 4090 $3500 NZD holy cow
No no! The 7900 XTX price in Europe 1400-1800euro in the shop! if you can get it, of course... Different continent, different situations!
The specs says you're using a PCI 3.0 M.2, would love to see the difference with 4.0.
0% diff
no diff
Actually, there's the difference but it's less than 1%. I tested it myself on 4090 - if game is really demanding and you push your gpu to the max like native 4k (no dlss), psycho settings Cyberpunk 2077, it's literally the same ~50 vs ~50fps but in case where you can reach 150fps+, it's basically +1-2fps per every 150 frames on average. It's not any rule but it's just like that. In doom eternal on B450 mobo (Aorus Elite v2) after 10mins of just normal gameplay and fooling around I got 457fps max and 198 on avg. Same setup - B550 (ROG Strix), same map, same time - 460max and 199 avg.
So yeah, it's just not really worth it to upgrade your mobo just for better pcie if you are mainly gaming on your PC. I don't think it's even worth to look for pcie4 riser if you want to have one. The only place where you will able to see higher numbers are the price and that +1 on it's box :d
there would be none