The extra weight will only have a small effect if traveling at a constant speed on relatively flat ground (slightly more if doing lots of accelerating - slowing down). I'm very impressed you actually got 277 miles traveling at 83 MPH. 65-70 MPH would definitely boost the mileage.
Yeah...basic aerodynamics. Air resistance increases with the square of the speed. So the drag at 80 mph is not twice what it is at 40 mph but 4 times. In practical terms, somewhere around 42 mph is the optimum for mileage and getting there in a reasonable time. Rolling resistance and air resistance are fairly equal contributors to drag up to about that speed but after that the air drag is way more of a contributor.
Our 2022 Lightning Lariat extended range has averaged 2.7 mile/kWh since new. we get about 360 miles on a charge. On the highway we keep it between 65-70. I have calculated that even though we are going slower, we actually have less travel time because we don't have to stop to charge as often.
Your actual range was right on par with what I expected/hoping. I ordered a Lightning. Hoping to get 230 miles comfortably on a single charge at highway speed. Your video demonstrated this can be done. I was glad to find an example with additional passengers and luggage in the truck. Thank you for showing a real world example.
Driving at 80 mph in any vehicle uses 15% more energy than driving at 70 mph which consumes 10% more than if you drive 60 mph. In fact speeding consumes over 15 billion gallons of gas in this country every year.
80mph and 280 miles is really good! 320 is based on your history as you noted, but it’s not “all” the slow speed, it is highly dependent that you have zero regen on the interstate. Earlier tests all seemed to put the Lightning around 270 interstate miles, I’d be happy with 280+.
@@exploringthegrandstrand Speed is significant. And as you mentioned, your normal driving also was a factor in your vehicle calculations. Next road trip go to charging and reset driving history. That way the trucks computer will not use previous driving history in its range calculation. However I too have noticed significant miles to empty when I first start any trips, regardless of the length of the trip. I suppose that could be because, I seldom precondition my vehicle.
Even though ford says several of their software updates were to improve the miles to empty calculations, I believe ford needs to continue to work on that. However most my normal driving is at 59 mph, when I do drive 74 mph on the interstate, I see a significant drop in my miles to empty. Likewise, when I'm just driving around town in stop & go traffic I see that miles to empty increase. Try resetting your driving history located on the charging screen & precondition your vehicle prior to starting your next road trip, to see if the guess o meter improves or not.
My family are regular visitors to the MB area, but I watch this channel mostly for the Ford F 150 EV. Chris is correct. The F 150 is a large, heavy and boxy vehicle; the coefficient of drag is about 0.44, which is not good. Driving at 70 mph would result in a significant range increase. One thing I have on my mind, and if you can clarify please do, is where on I-95 the speed limit is 80 mph. BTW, the sign along the side of the road that says "95" indicates the name of the interstate highway; it is not the speed limit. Extra points for identifying the Led Zep reference, lol.
@@exploringthegrandstrand you actually can get exactly the displayed range of you would have gone even less than 65mph. Just gotta play the game in these situations. I’ve gotten More than 330 when doing an average of 50mph. Take it easy on the speed when planning longer trips and avoiding extra charging.
You got a Heavy foot my friend. Keep @65mph and lock it continuously. You will do bad even with gas vehicle at those speeds. Do 120 mph and you probably won’t reach 100 mile range, so it will not be the truck’s fault is always the person driving. I can easily do full 240+ miles @62 mph on my standard range Pro. Only Aptera won’t be affected by high speeds but these trucks are bricks. I can’t keep my speed steady so I cruise control all the time. th-cam.com/video/jz8j4tmscNI/w-d-xo.html
So 225 miles from 100% charged to when def needs to be re-charged for an hour plus driving as any other gas vehicle person on the highway does 🤔 and to reach 240-260 have to drop to 65 miles/hr. I think I’m not ready for that EV range anxiety yet. That truck is $85k right now, maybe not worth the headache. For half that money paid for my ecoboost V6 in gas will do same trip at 26mpg on hwy for same money he spent charging adding home ($17 dollars roughly @ $0.13/kw) and DC fast home and $22 roughly @$0.41/kw) plus anxiety is gone.
I am curious how much more range pre-conditioning the battery would have given you on this trip for this particular EV. I know with my Model Y is makes a big difference in the arctic temps, not so much in the 30’s -40’s.
Its not difficult. The government has been pushing 55 mph for 40 years because of Highway inefficient gas mileage. I have noticed when I get off the highway in my lightning that 40 miles turns into 5 0 m i range but the computer does not reflect that increase you have to have faith that it is true which it is. And on the highway I have to expect 20 to 30% decrease in the computers expected range depending on my lead foot
running your climate control in Auto will use the heater even when you don't need heat. Almost certain thats where your extra losses are. I do not use Auto climate control anymore since noticing this issue in my lightning lariat.
It’s easier if you go by percentage or can you do that with Ford? For example Tesla I know I need 27% of my battery to get to the airport and back. Each percentage is around 4 to 5 km so there is a bit of a buffer for each percentage. To get to work in the summer, I need 7% battery, in the winter I need 11% when it’s really cold.
I drive to Myrtle beach all the time from Raleigh, sucks there no fast charging in the area. Put i can go there visit my parents and make it back to lumberton,NC to Charge @eletrify america. next year we can charge at the Tesla charger there at the mall and i will make more trips there
Most Highways you need to be moving between 5 to 10 over speed limit so avoid inhibiting the flow of traffic. Will any of the EV mfg's use 2 gears like porsche as it seems to improve highway range greatly. Cruising at 80MPH at max highway efficiency would be a great goal for the future as well as 5% to 85% DCFC under 15 minutes
The extra weight will only have a small effect if traveling at a constant speed on relatively flat ground (slightly more if doing lots of accelerating - slowing down). I'm very impressed you actually got 277 miles traveling at 83 MPH. 65-70 MPH would definitely boost the mileage.
Yeah...basic aerodynamics. Air resistance increases with the square of the speed. So the drag at 80 mph is not twice what it is at 40 mph but 4 times. In practical terms, somewhere around 42 mph is the optimum for mileage and getting there in a reasonable time.
Rolling resistance and air resistance are fairly equal contributors to drag up to about that speed but after that the air drag is way more of a contributor.
Exactly...I am quite impressed with what he got. Absolutely, going 80mph will crush range.
Our 2022 Lightning Lariat extended range has averaged 2.7 mile/kWh since new. we get about 360 miles on a charge. On the highway we keep it between 65-70. I have calculated that even though we are going slower, we actually have less travel time because we don't have to stop to charge as often.
Your actual range was right on par with what I expected/hoping. I ordered a Lightning. Hoping to get 230 miles comfortably on a single charge at highway speed. Your video demonstrated this can be done. I was glad to find an example with additional passengers and luggage in the truck. Thank you for showing a real world example.
Driving at 80 mph in any vehicle uses 15% more energy than driving at 70 mph which consumes 10% more than if you drive 60 mph. In fact speeding consumes over 15 billion gallons of gas in this country every year.
80mph and 280 miles is really good! 320 is based on your history as you noted, but it’s not “all” the slow speed, it is highly dependent that you have zero regen on the interstate. Earlier tests all seemed to put the Lightning around 270 interstate miles, I’d be happy with 280+.
Came to watch the Lightning review, but couldn't help admiring your guitars and bike. Nice!
I want to add that this should in no way be taken as I am now anti-EV. I still love this truck and will conduct another test soon.
Part of your range loss is due to the speed you were traveling. Energy usage is significantly higher at 70mph compared to 60mph, let alone 80mph
Yes, I get that but this was still more loss than I anticipated.
@@exploringthegrandstrand Speed is significant. And as you mentioned, your normal driving also was a factor in your vehicle calculations. Next road trip go to charging and reset driving history. That way the trucks computer will not use previous driving history in its range calculation.
However I too have noticed significant miles to empty when I first start any trips, regardless of the length of the trip. I suppose that could be because, I seldom precondition my vehicle.
Even though ford says several of their software updates were to improve the miles to empty calculations, I believe ford needs to continue to work on that. However most my normal driving is at 59 mph, when I do drive 74 mph on the interstate, I see a significant drop in my miles to empty. Likewise, when I'm just driving around town in stop & go traffic I see that miles to empty increase. Try resetting your driving history located on the charging screen & precondition your vehicle prior to starting your next road trip, to see if the guess o meter improves or not.
My family are regular visitors to the MB area, but I watch this channel mostly for the Ford F 150 EV. Chris is correct. The F 150 is a large, heavy and boxy vehicle; the coefficient of drag is about 0.44, which is not good. Driving at 70 mph would result in a significant range increase. One thing I have on my mind, and if you can clarify please do, is where on I-95 the speed limit is 80 mph. BTW, the sign along the side of the road that says "95" indicates the name of the interstate highway; it is not the speed limit. Extra points for identifying the Led Zep reference, lol.
@@exploringthegrandstrand you actually can get exactly the displayed range of you would have gone even less than 65mph. Just gotta play the game in these situations. I’ve gotten More than 330 when doing an average of 50mph. Take it easy on the speed when planning longer trips and avoiding extra charging.
Adding the Tesla supercharger network is nice. They are usually good locations and it’ll make towing much more feasible
except relatively few tesla chargers are setup for towing. You'd have to drop off your trailer somewhere else to charge
You got a Heavy foot my friend.
Keep @65mph and lock it continuously.
You will do bad even with gas vehicle at those speeds.
Do 120 mph and you probably won’t reach 100 mile range, so it will not be the truck’s fault is always the person driving.
I can easily do full 240+ miles @62 mph on my standard range Pro.
Only Aptera won’t be affected by high speeds but these trucks are bricks.
I can’t keep my speed steady so I cruise control all the time.
th-cam.com/video/jz8j4tmscNI/w-d-xo.html
You got excellent range for a high speed highway run. The rated range is a combination of highway/city.
impressive getting that much range at such a high speed. My Volt only gets about 40-45 at highway speed. Get the oem 52 miles on the side streets
So 225 miles from 100% charged to when def needs to be re-charged for an hour plus driving as any other gas vehicle person on the highway does 🤔 and to reach 240-260 have to drop to 65 miles/hr. I think I’m not ready for that EV range anxiety yet. That truck is $85k right now, maybe not worth the headache. For half that money paid for my ecoboost V6 in gas will do same trip at 26mpg on hwy for same money he spent charging adding home ($17 dollars roughly @ $0.13/kw) and DC fast home and $22 roughly @$0.41/kw) plus anxiety is gone.
I am curious how much more range pre-conditioning the battery would have given you on this trip for this particular EV. I know with my Model Y is makes a big difference in the arctic temps, not so much in the 30’s -40’s.
Here in Canada, winter condition the range drop at 125 miles......
The Lightning simply does not have enough efficient range. Its not a knock on EVs as a whole, its a knock on the Lightning.
Its not difficult. The government has been pushing 55 mph for 40 years because of Highway inefficient gas mileage. I have noticed when I get off the highway in my lightning that 40 miles turns into 5 0 m i range but the computer does not reflect that increase you have to have faith that it is true which it is. And on the highway I have to expect 20 to 30% decrease in the computers expected range depending on my lead foot
running your climate control in Auto will use the heater even when you don't need heat. Almost certain thats where your extra losses are. I do not use Auto climate control anymore since noticing this issue in my lightning lariat.
Might have been able to do the whole trip if you travelled at 60mph. The difference in range from 60 to 80mph can be 20-25%.
It’s easier if you go by percentage or can you do that with Ford? For example Tesla I know I need 27% of my battery to get to the airport and back. Each percentage is around 4 to 5 km so there is a bit of a buffer for each percentage. To get to work in the summer, I need 7% battery, in the winter I need 11% when it’s really cold.
5:14 Parks just like an ICE F150 I see. LMAO.
maybe going 65mph with blue cruise and your mirrors folded in?
I drive to Myrtle beach all the time from Raleigh, sucks there no fast charging in the area. Put i can go there visit my parents and make it back to lumberton,NC to Charge @eletrify america. next year we can charge at the Tesla charger there at the mall and i will make more trips there
Thanks for this info... It appears to be highly inconvinence to charge
well... driving 80 MPH sure kills range. =P
Forget to close the charging port…….I’ve never done that (like all the time).
You just went way too fast dude. 70 mph max on highway, 65-68 is a great balance and it makes a big difference!
Most Highways you need to be moving between 5 to 10 over speed limit so avoid inhibiting the flow of traffic. Will any of the EV mfg's use 2 gears like porsche as it seems to improve highway range greatly. Cruising at 80MPH at max highway efficiency would be a great goal for the future as well as 5% to 85% DCFC under 15 minutes
@@ATE2AQTR what? There’s no laws that you’ll get in trouble for not going over the speed limit. This is silly.
I need to see a video of your guitars and amps and hear you play a bit. Preferably blues, bluegrass or rock.
You could not give me that EV a hybrid rid is a more common sense vehicle
@@frankkeel8410 ok boomer
You put your charger on your front porch 🤦🏼♂️
My range is never even remotely accurate. Very frustrating.
If you drive at 60mph you would of made much better range.