I already see the comments section filling up. People... please realize how difficult it is to remember every difference between a model, much less the differences between years of the same model. They easily hit the high points so the average person can determine with a reasonable amount of certainty what model and year machine they have. Gringell's. You did a fine job. I've messed around my share of vintage Fords. Frankly I rarely need to know the model and such to rectify the owners issues most of the time. Now I have a reference to try and be more knowledgeable on the subject.
I agree with your comment, also think about how hard it is to get a version of all these tractors to show in the video! Appreciate the video as well, nicely done!
I really love the style of your videos. Rachel, you are terrific. I just bought my first tractor to help out on my hunting property - a really nice Ford 640! I am doing a full fluid change of course before beginning operations, and the first video I watched was your oil change walk-through! I even ordered a new oil plug with screen, oil filler cap and agri filter! I'd love to see a video on changing hydraulic and transmission fluids as well! I'm a big fan already!
Outstanding channel. I've owned 2N, 8N, 8N Funk 6 cylinder, and now a 961 Powermaster with wide frontend and front end loader. I love my tractors, though I'm lucky to be alive after some of my escapades on them. I'm having a great deal of trouble with my power steering on the 961 and with no power steering it is a very difficult task to do my chores reasonably and safely. I've recently retired from 40 years of anesthesia practice and am struggling to adjust to living without continual huge adrenaline rushes from Level 1 Trauma center experience. I'm actually really glad to be out of the pressure cooker, but am striving to get caught up on so many of the projects I've neglected for so long. Your information is invaluable and I hope that I'll be able to find the info I need to get the power steering problems rectified. Comically, I found out that a front end loader on a 961 doesn't mean you now have a bulldozer. So I burned out my dual clutch which the dealer in the area wanted ~$3,500 to fix. Being a stubborn old German, I said heck no and bought a Harbor Freight shop crane and split the tractor and replaced it myself. I didn't attempt to rebuild that dual clutch myself, but had it sent to a "specialist" in old Fords somewhere in Iowa and he did a great job. I've given up on having functioning brakes on it, but sure would like to have power steering back. Maybe I'll someday get around to putting in new seals in the rear axles, which I've been told is the reason my brakes still don't work after replacing shoes. Living in the Loess Hills of western Iowa, brakes are really kind of a must, but I've survived (barely) without them for the 38 years I've lived here with almost always brakeless, vintage Ford Tractors. Oh my goodness, the stories we all could share about these marvelous old beasts. I have seen so many of the most brilliant Rube Goldberg mods on old Ford Tractors over the years. Barnyard geniuses rigging 8N's with pulleys and steel cables to install foot controlled throttles, etc . The greatest examples of American ingenuity. I will definitely be accessing your website and would greatly appreciate any advice re: resources. I have the red 900 manual--if I can find it up in the barn and our resident groundhog hasn't devoured it for its' nest. Thnx for the Blessed work you do, Greg
Wow! This presentation was impressive. When I was a kid, we had a 50/51 (not sure which) 8N that received the upgraded blue paint. My dad bought it back in 72. It was an absolute workhorse of a machine. I’m now in the hunt for one myself.
I really appreciate your videos on all the different tractors. I've bought forgot what I did know about all the different tractors. I've got a Ford 650, that was painted blue. I have been told the dealers would paint some of the tractors blue so they would look different & attract buyers. Sometimes my lift when it's hot gets the he cups. I've been told it was the piston rings. I am about 60 years old & after bush hogging to day I could use power steering! 🚜🚜🚜👍
Definitely enjoyed this video. I used to be a Ford tractor mechanic back in the '70s. Worked on a lot of Ns through through the X700 series as well as Majors. Loved those tractors.
I have worked on more 8N/9N/Jubilee's than I have cars. Restored more than I can count. I always got a chuckle with the leather ring/o-ring that they put on the hydraulic pump piston.
A couple of decades ago I rebuilt a 47 8N for the landscape company I worked for. It was the perfect machine for putting in ball fields. Great tractor it was.
Simply lovely run through the early Ford tractor series. Well done you two. I still have my father's 1963 Ford 4000 Industrial 172 c.i. 4-cylinder Diesel. Your information on Dealer repainting may have solved a mystery about this 4000. The under paint shows it to be a "Red-Belly" with a "Cream" not Biege set of tins. But at some time, it was over sprayed in all Ford Blue which has for the most part flaked and peeled off over the decades. I now believe the livery colors to be the "one-year" color before the next year it was Blue/Cream and the following Blue/Gray. 😊
Not sure how i ended up here but what a wealth of interesting information! I've been to antique farm and equipment shows where I've seen at least one bonafide literal fist fight break out surrounding the model attributes and identification of these older Ford tractors. 🙄
As mentioned in another comment, 9Ns and 2Ns only have draft control. Starting with the 8N, Ford put position control on the tractors. There is another lever, above the draft control lever, that when placed in the vertical position allows the operator to set a desired height. This is position control. When that lever is in the horizontal position, you are back in draft control. Also, the early 2Ns, up to mid 1944, used the I-beam style radius arms same as the 9N. In mid 1944 Ford redesigned them to the oval shape arms. Also, the 2Ns added access holes in each of the doglegs to removed or loosen the bolts that hold the grille on. The 9Ns did not have these. There are also other subtle changes in the 2Ns versus the 9Ns, plus Ford made running changes in both as they did with the 2N's radius arms. On the Ford Ferguson name, that is correct for the 9N and 2N. Harry Ferguson, wanted just his name on the tractor, but Ford said no, so they came up with Ford Ferguson 9N, and then later Ford Ferguson 2N. Harry Ferguson, after the hand shake agreement, thought the 9N was his, and wanted a lot of control over the tractor, including the name. Before him and Henry Ford went into business together, Ferguson was in business with David Brown, and their tractor was the Ferguson Brown. That was the tractor Harry brought to Dearborn, Michigan to demonstrate to Henry Ford to get Ford to go into business with him. If Ford did not agree, Harry Ferguson would have been broke, since he spent so much and borrow so much to come to the US and bring some tractors over to demonstrate to Ford. BTW, live PTO was an option for the Jubilee and NAA. I don't know how many were equipped with it, but per Ford's video ad for the Golden Jubilee, it was mentioned it was available as an option.
You are right about the agreement between Henry Ford and Harry Ferguson but we have to give credit where it is due. It was Ferguson;s genius invention of the 3-point linkage that revolusionized the design of the modern tractor whose principle is used almost unchanged on farm tractors all over the word. Most of his disagreements with David Brown were because Brown wanted to introduce a bigger tractor but Ferguson refused as he wanted to show that his rather small compact tractor could outperform the bigger competitors of that time.
@@noelgrech8315 Harry Ferguson received credit for the "Ferguson System", but he wasn't the only one behind it. In fact, Ford's countersuit against Ferguson pointed out that Will Sands was the person that was more responsible for the system. When Henry and Harry shook hands, Ford engineers working with Sands had to iron out several problems with the system. It's ironic that after the handshake agreement and when a few Ford-Ferguson tractors were already being sold, Ferguson wanted a bigger tractor. Ford made a few prototypes of this larger tractor, and from what I've seen and read, it was pretty impressive. But it didn't get much traction with Henry and Henry II. It's also ironic that a decade later, Ford did start making a slightly larger tractor, the 800 series (and the NAA did grow a bit in size from the 8N, but just a small bit). Henry, when he was alive, was a firm believer in one size fits all.
Great Video and explanation on the different ford tractors, however I would love to have an explanation of how the Fordson tractors (Major & Dexta) fit into the mix. I own two fordson dextas and they are very different but similar too.
That's why I always liked the hand clutch on our old John Deeres. You could have a left brake and a right brake and could control them independently while using the clutch if you needed to. I did always admire my Uncle's Jubilee though :)
Hi from Ontario Canada . Great video , I am always impressed with you Rachel and you're dad .. your both awesome Thank you for sharing your info with all of us ...
Hi, it took me a little time to realize Rachel is the person in the article at times in the Farm Show magazine/paper. Each of you in your own right are awesome. Together you make a great team. Helping everyone with their tractor. You make everything easy to understand. As you go through things step by step. You provide an excellent service to anyone with a tractor. May God bless each of you and your family.
I'm glad I cam across this video. I have a 901 powermaster. Its been hard to order parts for. Especially carb parts it took me a couple a shots to get a rebuild kit. I had to finally cut my own gaskets.
You provided some good points but boy you guys need to really check your sources! I was raised on these tractors, my Grandfather bought one new and several used. My father had several as well. The sales Lady down the road (YES!)bought, sold, and traded several of these thru the years at the Ford Dealer. The early 9N (1939)had foot pegs. They did get running boards around late 40 early 41. The 2Ns (1942)were without starters and lights to conserve Copper. They had a Magneto and were hand crank then later the starters came back. Technically, the 2Ns were made until the 8Ns (1948) began with the much needed 4 speed transmission. The Proof meter was ALWAYS an option. We had a late 52 bought from the original owner without the Proof Meter. They NEVER came with front 16" tires unless a short line conversion company did it making them a trencher for example. Ford Fergusons were indeed advertised in some magazines as such in 1939. Harry Ferguson insisted on his name being on the tractor and known as such, though it was Ford who had the marketing outlets and factories to produce them. Then the lawsuits, which goaded Harry to make his own tractors. He used Continental engines and a modified truck transmission gearset in his casting. What's strange is Harry insisted on 3 speed transmissions, but the TE and TO tractors did not get them. Sherman made auxiliary transmissions for the Fords but not the Fergusons. Drive a 9N with an Sherman transmission then one without and you'll see why. The early 900s had no Power Steering available, then became a retrofit option. 901s came standard with it.
I always wondered what tractor I was discing fields with in the early 70’s . It was an early version 8n . The disc was kind of big and I was steering it with the brakes . Thanks for the video.
Great additional information to the first id video I seen. It took me a bit to figure out I bought a 53 Naa instead of a 600 that the owner thought it was. Thanks for all your great info
Hello, I'm a 64-year-old farmer who recently purchased a small farm in Goodrich, Mi, off Dutch Road. My wife and I stopped at the Steiner Tractor store for a look around and to purchase a front tractor emblem for my old 8n! Inside the store, I took 1 photo of my wife sitting in a chair and the counter clerk scolded me saying, no taking of pictures in the store. The counter clerk demeaned me in front of another customer, and my wife! I don't plan to return to Steiners or make further purchases from them! Steiner Tractor should post signs that read: (PLEASE, NO CAMERAS ALLOWED!) to prevent degrading community customers. (Occurred on Monday, July 17, 2023)
I had a Ford 961 tractor for years. It was a pretty handy tractor, did a lot of chores with it. It did even better after I put some wheel weights on it and lapped the valves. My only complaint was the occasional vapor lock after being good and warmed up. Mine had a power steering unit on it. It was a row crop model Jubilee so it sat two feet taller than the average Jubilee. To bad tractor companies still don't make these old tractors that are durable and simple to work on. One thing that Ford could have improved on these tractors would have been to make the rear end of these tractor a little heavier.
Hello, nice series on all the Ford tractors. I've learned so much about them. Sadly I haven't seen any activity here lately. Any chance you two will get into a full restoration series on some of these old fords? Sure would like to see a full restore on a jubilee. Thanks
Wish I could find a channel like this to identify the Howard Gem that I used to have. I know that they were the best walk behind roller tiller ever built anywhere in the world. Mine was a narrow version with the 9 h.p. J.A. Prestwich dry sump engine with the oil filled air filter. Built before they started using a Deadman lever for backing up. That thing was a dream to operate, and used the same tines that are used on the full size tractor rototillers. I found out they were bought out sometime in the 80s by dowdswell company that quit making them shortly after that and they were selling for around $10,000 at that time. I could never find out what year it was made. But I was able to download a parts manual and an owner's manual. If anybody has a guess as to how old it was I'd appreciate hearing from you.
I think the biggest detractions of the 9N are the brake pedal location, the PTO engagement, and the lack of draft control. The throttle being so close to the steering wheel is a problem I may modify one day because my fingers catch it if I don't use the steering wheel spinner.
Very informative video that answered a lot of questions that I had over the years. I've always been interested in the Funk Conversion (6-cyl, 8-cyl) Ford tractors. They would make an interesting video as well.
Great, now I need to walk around my 9n again to see if it's really a 2n. Oh, well, I've been buying 9n parts for it for 30+ years and they all worked. Got this old gem long ago and it was using as much oil as it did gas. I had to re-sleeve it, hardened valve seats, valves, cam, lifters....... Basically, any the moved was junk. After the electronic ignition last year, it's the easiest starting best running anything I own. I know it will outlast me; I expect (hope) to still be using it when it turns 100.
Excellent info. We really like our Ford 8N that’s been in the family since new. I’d love to find a nice running/looking Jubilee or 600-800 to add to the homestead workforce.
The N series tractors are an amazing machine , it is estimated the 250,000 of them are still in use ( roughly half of all built) Some of the most innovative tractors ever made : they used the components ( engine, transmission, rear end) as the frame of the tractor, look at all other brands in 1939 no other company did this. Mid mount . meaning you accessed the tractor from the side middle not the back Adjustable front axles, the rear tires could be switched from side to side to give a wider row clearance Some of the very 1st 9n were aluminum hood so if you have one check it with a magnet
Wouldnt you consider the ford 2000 and such to be built the same way as the n series where there is no true chassis just the main components themselves?
My dad's was a 52 8N, a friend had a 9N, and my uncle had a Massey Furg. First time I got on the MF, couldn't figure out how to start it... I think unk knew that and just was testing me - I was about 12.
we have a 9n with a backhoe added on going to go up on auction in sept the swing cyls had graphited packing cords on them going to put a reg cyl on it if i get it running for the sale
Hi...I love your very informative videos. I have a 9n tractor, and you mentioned some 9ns are more valuable. Mine has a three speed transmission with a high low extra. Is that something special, and what else should I look for. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I appreciate that.
But what about 2000 SoS LCG tractors? Or Ford 2110 or 4110 3 cylinders? Or the 231 and 531? Had three of them in the shed until the 2000 got traded off on a Massy Ferguson 255.
I've watched nearly all of your videos. While I enjoy the practical visual help, my problem question is specific, and you have mentioned it, but offer no follow up in your vids on the most possible causes and potential cures. I completely rebuilt my hydraulics top cover, lift cylinder and hyd pump, but the lift is jerky (but wasn't jerky the last time the tractor was operational some 7 years ago). It is a 1963 Ford 4000. I've watched hundreds of videos, not only yours, and NO ONE has followed through on this problem. Is there a good video covering this. I'm at the end of my patience. Thanks in advance to anyone who can point the way to success.
gooday gingells! im having alot of trouble identifying my 4000. the one i have is similar to the one you guys show (industrial) with a ford loader attachment. im having SO many issues with it lol
Question my friend bought a Ford 4000 industrial painted just like the one in your video it's not the selectos speed and we did not take the little cover off the back where the PTO is it's that flat little triangle is there a PTO in there if not how hard is it to add a PTO shaft please do a detailed video on that if you can
I have a 961, but I have no idea if it's actually a 961, it's really big compared to these tractors, wide front, also it's got a 4000 diesel sticker on the hood.
Someone needs to do a video on live power, who invented it, who was the first to use it, was it an option? I see old deeres that have a clutch lever for live power behind the seat.
1962 (ish) 2000 4cy 134 OFFSET. Mixed paint colors. Under the seat actually says NAA. Never find anyone with the same. Am I daft or fortunate or stuck with a white elephant? BTW it works just fine after I tuned it up, changed fluids, belt etc. Bought it for $1000 from an old farmer who "was done with living" and selling much off.
have a 255 massey ferguson tractor. The question is what causes the lift arm on the hydrolic system to stay up and not come back down, and what is the solution to this problem
9N 2N is a ? The one in the beginning. I was around 11 or 12 . Borne in 1968 . It definitely had two break pedals. The pick up Discs had wood herrings. Pre trip. Check and lube everything. Especially. If you smell wood burning you better have a lathe and specks. Fordson. Not Ford Furgeson. Look deeper. I loved my 1960's a135 .. It wasn't mine . Let's just say we got worked by the same land owner. 10 f . Glow plugs or not I woke up and it started up . Great video. Thanks for the Memory. The Dogs and I are going to bed.
The 9N and the two end did have running boards but they were just a real short flat piece of metal and a lot of people put a hand lever on the left brake so they could use it with their left hand to use the left brake and another thing when you talked about the rear wheels why didn't you say the hubs were flat and the 8 ns curved
I Believe I have both because the front is an 8N and the back is an 9N The back wheels is from 9N and it is a three speed with reverse breaks on both sides The front has 8N on the motor Fram and the 8N smaller inter wheel but the arms are a I beam for steering control Lila a 9N what do you think thank you for the videos I am fixing to work on my hydraulic top plate after watching one of your videos I ordered the parts from you last year again thanks
I need help identifying my ford tractor on the stamp plate under the battery box 2120 627 #'s on engine block is B9NN 6015B 4 speed transmission supposed to be a 1956?
I have a 1948 Ferguson TO 20 that I am doing a complete restoration on and need a new serial # tag for the dash. I got all the other tags from Steiner but they don't have the one for the dash. Any Idea on who produces them? Let me know. Thanks!
Great information but still have a ton of questions. I'm not a tractor expert but I'm trying to help a friend with his tractor. I believe someone has changed the carburetor and it's a mess so I'm trying to replace it but can't figure out which one to order. The block #'s reference a 600 (310905) but the carb is a marvel schebler with a tag on it TSX 765. I ordered one that looked like the correct one but the fuel line hookup is different. Would love to talk to you guys for some help.
This has to be the best Ford tractor explanation video in existence. Nice work.
Dan, Rachel, both of ya make it so easy to spin up quick on older Ford tractors, bless yall.
The 9N and 2N have draft control, along with the 8n. The 8n adds the position control option for your 3 point hitch.
Correct. So many people, including the originator of this video, confused the two.
I was going to say the same thing.
I already see the comments section filling up. People... please realize how difficult it is to remember every difference between a model, much less the differences between years of the same model. They easily hit the high points so the average person can determine with a reasonable amount of certainty what model and year machine they have.
Gringell's. You did a fine job. I've messed around my share of vintage Fords. Frankly I rarely need to know the model and such to rectify the owners issues most of the time. Now I have a reference to try and be more knowledgeable on the subject.
I agree with your comment, also think about how hard it is to get a version of all these tractors to show in the video! Appreciate the video as well, nicely done!
As an old Ford tractor 'specialist' for over 22 years, this information was perfect. WELL DONE.....~Eli.
I really love the style of your videos. Rachel, you are terrific. I just bought my first tractor to help out on my hunting property - a really nice Ford 640! I am doing a full fluid change of course before beginning operations, and the first video I watched was your oil change walk-through! I even ordered a new oil plug with screen, oil filler cap and agri filter! I'd love to see a video on changing hydraulic and transmission fluids as well! I'm a big fan already!
I ran a 801 diesel on our farm 35 years ago ❤ great tractor 💯
Outstanding channel. I've owned 2N, 8N, 8N Funk 6 cylinder, and now a 961 Powermaster with wide frontend and front end loader. I love my tractors, though I'm lucky to be alive after some of my escapades on them. I'm having a great deal of trouble with my power steering on the 961 and with no power steering it is a very difficult task to do my chores reasonably and safely. I've recently retired from 40 years of anesthesia practice and am struggling to adjust to living without continual huge adrenaline rushes from Level 1 Trauma center experience. I'm actually really glad to be out of the pressure cooker, but am striving to get caught up on so many of the projects I've neglected for so long. Your information is invaluable and I hope that I'll be able to find the info I need to get the power steering problems rectified. Comically, I found out that a front end loader on a 961 doesn't mean you now have a bulldozer. So I burned out my dual clutch which the dealer in the area wanted ~$3,500 to fix. Being a stubborn old German, I said heck no and bought a Harbor Freight shop crane and split the tractor and replaced it myself. I didn't attempt to rebuild that dual clutch myself, but had it sent to a "specialist" in old Fords somewhere in Iowa and he did a great job. I've given up on having functioning brakes on it, but sure would like to have power steering back. Maybe I'll someday get around to putting in new seals in the rear axles, which I've been told is the reason my brakes still don't work after replacing shoes. Living in the Loess Hills of western Iowa, brakes are really kind of a must, but I've survived (barely) without them for the 38 years I've lived here with almost always brakeless, vintage Ford Tractors. Oh my goodness, the stories we all could share about these marvelous old beasts. I have seen so many of the most brilliant Rube Goldberg mods on old Ford Tractors over the years. Barnyard geniuses rigging 8N's with pulleys and steel cables to install foot controlled throttles, etc . The greatest examples of American ingenuity. I will definitely be accessing your website and would greatly appreciate any advice re: resources. I have the red 900 manual--if I can find it up in the barn and our resident groundhog hasn't devoured it for its' nest. Thnx for the Blessed work you do, Greg
Wow! This presentation was impressive. When I was a kid, we had a 50/51 (not sure which) 8N that received the upgraded blue paint. My dad bought it back in 72. It was an absolute workhorse of a machine. I’m now in the hunt for one myself.
Just restored a 1950 8N largely learning from your vids. Clear, concise, great pace and camera angle. Quality!
I really appreciate your videos on all the different tractors. I've bought forgot what I did know about all the different tractors. I've got a Ford 650, that was painted blue. I have been told the dealers would paint some of the tractors blue so they would look different & attract buyers. Sometimes my lift when it's hot gets the he cups. I've been told it was the piston rings. I am about 60 years old & after bush hogging to day I could use power steering! 🚜🚜🚜👍
The jubilee has always been my favorite. Very well done, thank you 😊
Definitely enjoyed this video. I used to be a Ford tractor mechanic back in the '70s. Worked on a lot of Ns through through the X700 series as well as Majors. Loved those tractors.
I have worked on more 8N/9N/Jubilee's than I have cars. Restored more than I can count. I always got a chuckle with the leather ring/o-ring that they put on the hydraulic pump piston.
A couple of decades ago I rebuilt a 47 8N for the landscape company I worked for. It was the perfect machine for putting in ball fields. Great tractor it was.
Simply lovely run through the early Ford tractor series. Well done you two. I still have my father's 1963 Ford 4000 Industrial 172 c.i. 4-cylinder Diesel. Your information on Dealer repainting may have solved a mystery about this 4000. The under paint shows it to be a "Red-Belly" with a "Cream" not Biege set of tins. But at some time, it was over sprayed in all Ford Blue which has for the most part flaked and peeled off over the decades. I now believe the livery colors to be the "one-year" color before the next year it was Blue/Cream and the following Blue/Gray. 😊
Not sure how i ended up here but what a wealth of interesting information! I've been to antique farm and equipment shows where I've seen at least one bonafide literal fist fight break out surrounding the model attributes and identification of these older Ford tractors. 🙄
As mentioned in another comment, 9Ns and 2Ns only have draft control. Starting with the 8N, Ford put position control on the tractors. There is another lever, above the draft control lever, that when placed in the vertical position allows the operator to set a desired height. This is position control. When that lever is in the horizontal position, you are back in draft control.
Also, the early 2Ns, up to mid 1944, used the I-beam style radius arms same as the 9N. In mid 1944 Ford redesigned them to the oval shape arms. Also, the 2Ns added access holes in each of the doglegs to removed or loosen the bolts that hold the grille on. The 9Ns did not have these. There are also other subtle changes in the 2Ns versus the 9Ns, plus Ford made running changes in both as they did with the 2N's radius arms.
On the Ford Ferguson name, that is correct for the 9N and 2N. Harry Ferguson, wanted just his name on the tractor, but Ford said no, so they came up with Ford Ferguson 9N, and then later Ford Ferguson 2N. Harry Ferguson, after the hand shake agreement, thought the 9N was his, and wanted a lot of control over the tractor, including the name. Before him and Henry Ford went into business together, Ferguson was in business with David Brown, and their tractor was the Ferguson Brown. That was the tractor Harry brought to Dearborn, Michigan to demonstrate to Henry Ford to get Ford to go into business with him. If Ford did not agree, Harry Ferguson would have been broke, since he spent so much and borrow so much to come to the US and bring some tractors over to demonstrate to Ford.
BTW, live PTO was an option for the Jubilee and NAA. I don't know how many were equipped with it, but per Ford's video ad for the Golden Jubilee, it was mentioned it was available as an option.
You are right about the agreement between Henry Ford and Harry Ferguson but we have to give credit where it is due. It was Ferguson;s genius invention of the 3-point linkage that revolusionized the design of the modern tractor whose principle is used almost unchanged on farm tractors all over the word. Most of his disagreements with David Brown were because Brown wanted to introduce a bigger tractor but Ferguson refused as he wanted to show that his rather small compact tractor could outperform the bigger competitors of that time.
@@noelgrech8315 Harry Ferguson received credit for the "Ferguson System", but he wasn't the only one behind it. In fact, Ford's countersuit against Ferguson pointed out that Will Sands was the person that was more responsible for the system. When Henry and Harry shook hands, Ford engineers working with Sands had to iron out several problems with the system.
It's ironic that after the handshake agreement and when a few Ford-Ferguson tractors were already being sold, Ferguson wanted a bigger tractor. Ford made a few prototypes of this larger tractor, and from what I've seen and read, it was pretty impressive. But it didn't get much traction with Henry and Henry II. It's also ironic that a decade later, Ford did start making a slightly larger tractor, the 800 series (and the NAA did grow a bit in size from the 8N, but just a small bit). Henry, when he was alive, was a firm believer in one size fits all.
Great Video and explanation on the different ford tractors, however I would love to have an explanation of how the Fordson tractors (Major & Dexta) fit into the mix. I own two fordson dextas and they are very different but similar too.
That's why I always liked the hand clutch on our old John Deeres. You could have a left brake and a right brake and could control them independently while using the clutch if you needed to. I did always admire my Uncle's Jubilee though :)
Thank you very much for this informative video. AS someone with minimal experience, thinking about purchasing a tractor, this is invaluable.
Trans. You can buy a 8 or nine buy it!!! Engine parts are still a viable at your PARTS STORE.
Hi from Ontario Canada . Great video , I am always impressed with you Rachel and you're dad .. your both awesome
Thank you for sharing your info with all of us ...
Great video . I have a 1946 2n . I have watched Her videos before She knows what she talking about. Smart Lady
Hi, it took me a little time to realize Rachel is the person in the article at times in the Farm Show magazine/paper. Each of you in your own right are awesome. Together you make a great team. Helping everyone with their tractor.
You make everything easy to understand. As you go through things step by step. You provide an excellent service to anyone with a tractor.
May God bless each of you and your family.
I'm glad I cam across this video. I have a 901 powermaster. Its been hard to order parts for. Especially carb parts it took me a couple a shots to get a rebuild kit. I had to finally cut my own gaskets.
I like the father daughter vids, thanks for all your teachings.
You provided some good points but boy you guys need to really check your sources! I was raised on these tractors, my Grandfather bought one new and several used. My father had several as well. The sales Lady down the road (YES!)bought, sold, and traded several of these thru the years at the Ford Dealer.
The early 9N (1939)had foot pegs. They did get running boards around late 40 early 41. The 2Ns (1942)were without starters and lights to conserve Copper. They had a Magneto and were hand crank then later the starters came back. Technically, the 2Ns were made until the 8Ns (1948) began with the much needed 4 speed transmission. The Proof meter was ALWAYS an option. We had a late 52 bought from the original owner without the Proof Meter. They NEVER came with front 16" tires unless a short line conversion company did it making them a trencher for example.
Ford Fergusons were indeed advertised in some magazines as such in 1939. Harry Ferguson insisted on his name being on the tractor and known as such, though it was Ford who had the marketing outlets and factories to produce them. Then the lawsuits, which goaded Harry to make his own tractors. He used Continental engines and a modified truck transmission gearset in his casting. What's strange is Harry insisted on 3 speed transmissions, but the TE and TO tractors did not get them. Sherman made auxiliary transmissions for the Fords but not the Fergusons. Drive a 9N with an Sherman transmission then one without and you'll see why.
The early 900s had no Power Steering available, then became a retrofit option. 901s came standard with it.
wow! young lady you truly are a walking data base on these tractor's i am very impressed thank you great video
You've got the tractor empire
I always wondered what tractor I was discing fields with in the early 70’s . It was an early version 8n . The disc was kind of big and I was steering it with the brakes . Thanks for the video.
Great additional information to the first id video I seen. It took me a bit to figure out I bought a 53 Naa instead of a 600 that the owner thought it was. Thanks for all your great info
Awesome, iam so glad your still making these very informative videos.
Thank you very much!!!
Hello, I'm a 64-year-old farmer who recently purchased a small farm in Goodrich, Mi, off Dutch Road.
My wife and I stopped at the Steiner Tractor store for a look around and to purchase a front tractor emblem for my old 8n!
Inside the store, I took 1 photo of my wife sitting in a chair and the counter clerk scolded me saying, no taking of pictures in the store.
The counter clerk demeaned me in front of another customer, and my wife! I don't plan to return to Steiners or make further purchases from them!
Steiner Tractor should post signs that read: (PLEASE, NO CAMERAS ALLOWED!) to prevent degrading community customers.
(Occurred on Monday, July 17, 2023)
Must have some real secrets? Thanks for letting us know, as there are other sources for parts.
I had a Ford 961 tractor for years. It was a pretty handy tractor, did a lot of chores with it. It did even better after I put some wheel weights on it and lapped the valves. My only complaint was the occasional vapor lock after being good and warmed up. Mine had a power steering unit on it. It was a row crop model Jubilee so it sat two feet taller than the average Jubilee. To bad tractor companies still don't make these old tractors that are durable and simple to work on.
One thing that Ford could have improved on these tractors would have been to make the rear end of these tractor a little heavier.
My dad had an 8N when I was a kid. It didnt have working brakes. We repaired a lot of fences.
Hello, nice series on all the Ford tractors. I've learned so much about them. Sadly I haven't seen any activity here lately. Any chance you two will get into a full restoration series on some of these old fords? Sure would like to see a full restore on a jubilee. Thanks
Wish I could find a channel like this to identify the Howard Gem that I used to have.
I know that they were the best walk behind roller tiller ever built anywhere in the world.
Mine was a narrow version with the 9 h.p. J.A. Prestwich dry sump engine with the oil filled air filter. Built before they started using a Deadman lever for backing up.
That thing was a dream to operate, and used the same tines that are used on the full size tractor rototillers.
I found out they were bought out sometime in the 80s by dowdswell company that quit making them shortly after that and they were selling for around $10,000 at that time.
I could never find out what year it was made.
But I was able to download a parts manual and an owner's manual.
If anybody has a guess as to how old it was I'd appreciate hearing from you.
So happy your with your Dad and making money for family
Thank You’ll 😊
I think the biggest detractions of the 9N are the brake pedal location, the PTO engagement, and the lack of draft control. The throttle being so close to the steering wheel is a problem I may modify one day because my fingers catch it if I don't use the steering wheel spinner.
Thanks for sharing your time and knowledge!
Very informative video that answered a lot of questions that I had over the years. I've always been interested in the Funk Conversion (6-cyl, 8-cyl) Ford tractors. They would make an interesting video as well.
Enjoy your videos, you always make it look so easy. Do you carry parts for most older tractors?
To paraphrase Regular Car Reviews: Which Ford Tractor is Best Ford Tractor?
I love my 640 and have used your videos on occasion.
I love the Ford 9N & 2N videos!! A lot of great information! Thank you!👍
The ol red tiger! The engine that humms when the going gets tough!
My 8N is still running and doing work thanks to the Gingells' business.
Another great video! Thanks
Great, now I need to walk around my 9n again to see if it's really a 2n. Oh, well, I've been buying 9n parts for it for 30+ years and they all worked. Got this old gem long ago and it was using as much oil as it did gas. I had to re-sleeve it, hardened valve seats, valves, cam, lifters....... Basically, any the moved was junk. After the electronic ignition last year, it's the easiest starting best running anything I own. I know it will outlast me; I expect (hope) to still be using it when it turns 100.
I wish you’d gone up to the 5000 series also. Thanks for the video.
What a great resource you channel is!
You have given very good information ma'am 👍🇮🇳🚜🚜😀😀
Got paint waiting tell spring
Lord willing I will paint it one more time
Still depend on it
I got a 1951 Ford Jubilee Dusty water pump went out of . I ordered a new one and it's got to come out of Minnesota I guess
Excellent info. We really like our Ford 8N that’s been in the family since new. I’d love to find a nice running/looking Jubilee or 600-800 to add to the homestead workforce.
Now I know my tractor is side distributor and is a 1950 8 N and I can put bigger front tires from the early 8 N I like the video 👍🏼👍🏼☝🏻☝🏻
Thanks for such good information, Much appreciation!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge !
YOU TWO DO A GREAT JOB ..THANKS
You’re very knowledgeable! Thanks for sharing
The N series tractors are an amazing machine , it is estimated the 250,000 of them are still in use ( roughly half of all built)
Some of the most innovative tractors ever made :
they used the components ( engine, transmission, rear end) as the frame of the tractor, look at all other brands in 1939 no other company did this.
Mid mount . meaning you accessed the tractor from the side middle not the back
Adjustable front axles, the rear tires could be switched from side to side to give a wider row clearance
Some of the very 1st 9n were aluminum hood so if you have one check it with a magnet
Wouldnt you consider the ford 2000 and such to be built the same way as the n series where there is no true chassis just the main components themselves?
Got a 1940.Smooth 1 piece hubs and aluminum dash.
I have a Ford select o speed. Runs great.
My dad's was a 52 8N, a friend had a 9N, and my uncle had a Massey Furg. First time I got on the MF, couldn't figure out how to start it... I think unk knew that and just was testing me - I was about 12.
We have had that experience too!
we have a 9n with a backhoe added on going to go up on auction in sept the swing cyls had graphited packing cords on them going to put a reg cyl on it if i get it running for the sale
I love the 900 wide row crop propane
I need a view on how to do a valve adjustment
Hi...I love your very informative videos. I have a 9n tractor, and you mentioned some 9ns are more valuable. Mine has a three speed transmission with a high low extra. Is that something special, and what else should I look for. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I appreciate that.
But what about 2000 SoS LCG tractors? Or Ford 2110 or 4110 3 cylinders? Or the 231 and 531? Had three of them in the shed until the 2000 got traded off on a Massy Ferguson 255.
I've watched nearly all of your videos. While I enjoy the practical visual help, my problem question is specific, and you have mentioned it, but offer no follow up in your vids on the most possible causes and potential cures. I completely rebuilt my hydraulics top cover, lift cylinder and hyd pump, but the lift is jerky (but wasn't jerky the last time the tractor was operational some 7 years ago). It is a 1963 Ford 4000. I've watched hundreds of videos, not only yours, and NO ONE has followed through on this problem. Is there a good video covering this. I'm at the end of my patience. Thanks in advance to anyone who can point the way to success.
gooday gingells! im having alot of trouble identifying my 4000. the one i have is similar to the one you guys show (industrial) with a ford loader attachment. im having SO many issues with it lol
I have a 1948 n8 with 2 forward speeds and reverse. You said most of them was a 4 speed. I guess I have something different.
Question my friend bought a Ford 4000 industrial painted just like the one in your video it's not the selectos speed and we did not take the little cover off the back where the PTO is it's that flat little triangle is there a PTO in there if not how hard is it to add a PTO shaft please do a detailed video on that if you can
I have a 961, but I have no idea if it's actually a 961, it's really big compared to these tractors, wide front, also it's got a 4000 diesel sticker on the hood.
Awesome video, thanks for sharing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The 9n and 2n have draft controll not position controll like the 8n
Someone needs to do a video on live power, who invented it, who was the first to use it, was it an option? I see old deeres that have a clutch lever for live power behind the seat.
Awesome channel!!
1962 (ish) 2000 4cy 134 OFFSET. Mixed paint colors. Under the seat actually says NAA. Never find anyone with the same. Am I daft or fortunate or stuck with a white elephant? BTW it works just fine after I tuned it up, changed fluids, belt etc. Bought it for $1000 from an old farmer who "was done with living" and selling much off.
Great video, where do I find what engine is in a 601 workmaster ?
What international tractor would compare to this? That would have a live pto
have a 255 massey ferguson tractor. The question is what causes the lift arm on the hydrolic system to stay up and not come back down, and what is the solution to this problem
9N 2N is a ? The one in the beginning. I was around 11 or 12 . Borne in 1968 . It definitely had two break pedals. The pick up Discs had wood herrings. Pre trip. Check and lube everything. Especially. If you smell wood burning you better have a lathe and specks. Fordson. Not Ford Furgeson. Look deeper. I loved my 1960's a135 .. It wasn't mine . Let's just say we got worked by the same land owner. 10 f . Glow plugs or not I woke up and it started up . Great video. Thanks for the Memory. The Dogs and I are going to bed.
I have a question. I have a 1949 Ford 8n. I have this lever on the left side of transmission. Under the steering column. What is it?
Where do you buy the Ford 2000 3 cylinder large manual you were showing? Thanks
WE had a 961 tricycle for a 2 row mounted corn picker. What is the distinction for the 961?
Did any of them get a locking differential?
I was hoping to see the 801 power master here . Seeing how I'm looking to buying one from a freind
Very nice always great information!!
The 9N and the two end did have running boards but they were just a real short flat piece of metal and a lot of people put a hand lever on the left brake so they could use it with their left hand to use the left brake and another thing when you talked about the rear wheels why didn't you say the hubs were flat and the 8 ns curved
I Believe I have both because the front is an 8N and the back is an 9N The back wheels is from 9N and it is a three speed with reverse breaks on both sides The front has 8N on the motor Fram and the 8N smaller inter wheel but the arms are a I beam for steering control Lila a 9N what do you think thank you for the videos I am fixing to work on my hydraulic top plate after watching one of your videos I ordered the parts from you last year again thanks
can you do a draft control swap from an 8n to a 9n/2n? im new to these tractors and im curious as to how much is interchangable between these models
I need help identifying my ford tractor on the stamp plate under the battery box 2120 627 #'s on engine block is B9NN 6015B 4 speed transmission supposed to be a 1956?
Isn’t there a s# on the axle?
I have a 1948 Ferguson TO 20 that I am doing a complete restoration on and need a new serial # tag for the dash. I got all the other tags from Steiner but they don't have the one for the dash. Any Idea on who produces them? Let me know. Thanks!
I still don’t know… what is the difference between a Jubilee/NAA and a 1964 Ford 2000 4cyl, 4speed…
are they the same?
Great information but still have a ton of questions. I'm not a tractor expert but I'm trying to help a friend with his tractor. I believe someone has changed the carburetor and it's a mess so I'm trying to replace it but can't figure out which one to order. The block #'s reference a 600 (310905) but the carb is a marvel schebler with a tag on it TSX 765. I ordered one that looked like the correct one but the fuel line hookup is different. Would love to talk to you guys for some help.
how to change stop gear pump system on ford 801 ?
so how do you tell if you have an early 9n
you guys are awesome!
Great vid wish you would of included horsepower though