A Stray Bullet Kills Woman At Demonstration | Law & Order
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- A woman demonstrating at a rally is killed by a stray bullet, which the detectives are led to believe was fired by an auxiliary officer who is sick of hearing that he's not a real cop.
From Season 18, Episode 9, "Illegal"
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"It was an order to fire my weapon"
You mean the weapon you're not even supposed to be carrying cause you're not a real cop?
Still more real than the guy beating up reporters.
@@kishascapeit happens. Don't be such a brown noser
@@kishascape at standing rock, cops specifically targeted anyone with a camera including reporters
That's not a stray. That was a wild shot without any actual aim. He shot at whoever moved, and he didn't miss.
Also these pig detectives ignoring the riot pig assaulting a reporter. Good ole NYPD bastion of honor.
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“A wild shot without any actual aim.”
Yes, we have a phrase for that. It’s called a stray.
Why would he take that order as “shoot my lethal weapon” when he is not supposed to have one in the first place?
Tell me if I'm wrong, but if auxilaries are not supposed to be armed, and the unit leader knew that and was working under that assumption in the first place; then, the order the unit leader gave could have only been to fire less-than-leathal weapons. By extension, the man committed premeditated murder because he brought a gun to situation he was prohibited to in hopes of possibly using it and believed that since he brought an unauthorized weapon, he could use the guise of "green light" to fire and proceed to say he was just following orders.
Additionally, he never reported his firing of two live rounds during a confrontation with civilians. Which is a firable offense regardless. There are so many issues with this situation and court proceedings but I am also well aware it's for entertainment.
They sound like USAF security forces augmentees. They get a light training to do.the job the real security forces do, but they haven't gone thru what we did.
So they can't handle the same stressful situations that require restraint when using deadly force.
Yeah and no offence but not to mention he obviously wasn’t talking to rochenko you do know that right?
Based upon a true story that happened in New York City several decades ago.
As far as premeditation and deliberation to prover murder in this situation, the state would be unable to prove first degree murder which would be the appropriate charge when premeditation is involved such as a contract killing. Voluntary/negligent homicide would be the appropriate charge.
@@JamesSmith-gn9ou There is a valley of leeway between premeditation and something like contract killing. He knew what a green light order means to an auxiliary officer requiring him to fire non-lethal shots and what would happen if he replaced those non-lethal shots with lethal ones under those same directions even if he didn't know a green light order would happen that day. It would like going to the park and firing a random shot straight ahead every day. It might not have killed someone that day but he knew the effect that action will eventually have. This case could easily be argued as a random killing (still charged as murder) and not manslaughter or negligent homicide.
If he's (a) prohibited from carrying the gun in uniform, and (b) not licensed to carry the gun, then they could just charge/convict him of illegal gun carry, then go for the manslaughter charge. Bringing a prohibited weapon is evidence of malice, and blindly firing it into a crowd, with no aim, negates any claim of self-defense.
a) TV show and murder is more dramatic b) first-offence manslaughter can have a really short sentece. considering this show also likes to focus on how media affects cases and how they're tried, the fact a police -affiliate fired a weapon into a crowd of protesters meant public pressure on the DA office to go down hard on the guy, so the possibility of a 5-year manslaughter sentence meant they coudn't go that route
(i know manslaughter can have more years than that, but if the murder conviction is going well the defence can deal down to manslaughter with a longer sentence, but if they start on manslaughter the defence will fight for the shortest time possible)
Do you can help the police
Weapon remember l have remember got really big life
Not for a everyone let you can l have
Second Amendment
That cop who slugged the reporter isn't much better. He can't control the crowd, so he picks the easiest target, someone who's not running away. I see it all the time. Cops, teachers, even parents, they can't handle the incorrigibles, so they go for the one who doesn't put up a fight, just so they can save face.
This is classic bully behavior: go for the "soft" target. Some (read: MANY) bullies never grow out of that because they're never called out on their cowardice.
@@brendanzhang7488 Then don't complain when he does that to your mother.
Isn't physically assaulting the press a violation of human rights?
@@MondoBeno i mean it is hella easier
@@brendanzhang7488 no one has ever accused you of being kind and compassionate, have they? Have you ever seen someone follow orders the exact same time that the orders have been given? There is processing time from receiving to fulfilling, especially when under a stressful situation... a fucking gun was fired. I'm fully aware that this is just a tv show, but at least use your melon to understand the situation 🤦🏾♂️.
I know this is TV, but I always find it funny that when an officer does the very serious thing of shooting a live round, nobody ever asks: did you report firing that live round? Why not? Is that not regulation?
Same in indonesia
Yes it's television series but it is based upon real events that happened in New York City. On duty Auxiliary Police Officers are NOT ALLOWED TO CARRY GUNS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES in New York City. They can't even bring them to the Police Station when going on patrol.
However like with the regular Police officers there are some jerks and knuckleheads who disobey their orders. Those are the psychopaths that we must be aware of.
There are different rules/protocols for every department, but generally, yes. If a round is fired, a “use of force” report is supposed to be filed. Some agencies have rules that state that just pulling a gun/taser/baton is to be reported as a use of force.
Police are given a leeway of 200 rounds a year without reporting it. Except Chicago where it's 1200.
So he fired at any movement he saw? Non-lethal weapons could’ve helped defend him from people with bottles.
As it was said, Auxiliaries only have pepper spray, they aren’t issued any other forms of less-lethal weapons like beanbag shotguns or tear gas launchers.
While I do kind of understand how it feels and believe auxiliaries should be given better protection, this officer’s actions were inexcusable - you don’t fire INTO the crowd.
There was a similar situation in Hong Kong where an officer were being attacked, and he was pushed down by a mob before he pulled out his pistol and immediately shot into the crowd.
In some cases, it is ok for an officer to exercise deadly force to protect themselves, but it is very hard to defend opening fire Willy-nilly into a crowd of protestors: especially when not everyone in said crowd was attacking the officer.
@@openthinker6562 In real life NYC Auxiliary officers do not carry pepper spray, only a strait wooden baton. This episode when aired caused some controversy in the NYPD auxiliary community, as many help work on the sets of the shows, along with a Blue Bloods episode that showed an NYPD auxiliary shooting people. In real life, in the entire history of NYPD Auxiliary, no auxiliary has shot someone. End of the day, this Auxiliary was NOT authorized to carry a firearm (nor are most regular citizens of NYC).
Depends on the people and what kind of armor to protect his head he has. If anyone has a legal gun and is being attacked they can and should open fire upon the group attacking them. Otherwise the violent group will then have a gun.
Real moral of the story is don’t attack people.
Yea but they were Hispanic people! (I'm sure that that's how he would justify it if it were real)
Where was his lawyer? She let him walk right into that. Even if the judge allowed it she could have tried to object
The auxiliary officer looks like a older heavy set tom holland.
Yes he does.
Just came to write that
I can now never unsee that. Thanks, lol.
LOL That's what I thought too.
Lmao glad I'm not crazy for seeing it
That cross examination was beautiful
Read him to filth. Cutter clocked him
Aye it’s Jane
I thought that was Jane! Loved her in "Miss Bala" then she went and dropped the 'n word' bomb on social media. I lost all respect for her after that.
@@CC-si3cr it was with a soft a though
@@CC-si3cr PARDON ??? our jane villanueva said what now ?!???!
Who
Rhianna Scureman yah she posted a story on Instagram of her singing along to a song and one of the lyrics was the n word and she sang the word with the song
This is the most realistic court proceeding I've ever seen in a tv show episode or movie
exactly. the lady asking questions interrupts the police officer while he's in the middle of explaining something because apparently he wasnt saying what she wanted him to say, or something like that.
It is totally unrealistic actually.
If he didn't plan on hitting anyone why fire his gun in the 1st place??
Hi guys at L&O. One of the most endearing, emotional and historically correct clips that you must show on this site is the end sequence from s11 e7. Lenny and Tommy In Tommy’s back yard. I know I’m an old softie but “ Do you forgive me Lenny?” “ All day long Tommy, all day long “. Brilliant acting . Because it comes over as non acting. Just human. The guys will always be legendary. Thanks . Dave
Linus Roach was the perfect successor to Sam Waterston as the EADA. Mike Cutter is so underrated.
Unless threatened with the imminent use of deadly force an officer may not discharge his weapon ......
That is the rule...
Too bad all Officers don't follow the rules
They'll say they are always in danger to get away with shootings
@@calvinallen3424 technically anyone in a dangerous situation loses the ability to thnk rationally. If you got swamped by 10 people at once I suspect you'd view things differently
@@craigclermond8001 What does "swapped" mean?
@@calvinallen3424 swamped or assualted
There needs to be a L&O about internal affairs...
They act like they are soldiers in a war zone
Sadly, that isn't unusual for modern US cops, even outside of riot situations. Sure, during a riot, or some of the operations SWAT does, they might have some excuse, but the attitude continues outside of emergencies, and even among cops with no SWAT or riot control experience.
War is only once and it ends... riots and people throwing rocks and bottles and molotoves at you as a cop are everyday.
@@richardkim3652 At least in the USA, riots are not an everyday occurrence for any police officer, nor are having rocks or bottles thrown at them.
@@princecharon Ehhh I beg to differ. Depends which state in America lol. Some states, mostly Democratic states have like fucking 10 riots a year or something like that and some lasts up to a week lol.
@@richardkim3652 Democratic states - like the Capitol on January 6th and also attacked the Capitol police? Or the "demonstrators" who wanted to murder the governor of Michigan? or those lovely people who had an armed standoff with Federal officers because they were incensed at being expected to pay grazing fees on land they did not own?
wait.... why did she claim at around 6:08 that he wa s"non responsive" he was responding to her question. the judge made a bad call, that should have been in the testimony and not "stricken" just because he said " that the circumstances determine the type of force used" doesn't mean he's unresponsive it just means that any sane and rational person would know that lethal force on protesters is stupid.
lethal force on rioters needs to be mandated. would stop riots from being planned
he didn't answer her question
its a yes or no question and he was trying to circumnavigate it. she was trying to bring light to how poor the verbal commands are and how someone not in his line of sight could misinterpret the orders
@@theduke7539 right but then cutter walks it back by having him explain that they go in extensive detail before these situations about what the orders mean. Sure, it was a yes or no question and he didn't answer yes or no. But simply trying to frame it as "yes or no" ignores the procedures they take beforehand which is what the defense attorney was counting on
@@warhawk9566 yes, but that explanation is the subject of cross examination. When asked a yes or no question, your answer should be yes or no.
Oh, how I miss L&O Original (and CI) marathons on A&E or TNT. Especially the early seasons. Great memories. Wish they would bring those back. I bet they'd still be money makers for the network.
The original Law and Order is being brought back next month.
@@whatheyyo They are: at $5.-$10. a pop per episode for the first 11 seasons. Two streaming channels here in Oz; one can buy a season for $30 per season, even more for the oldest ones, but one sees a partial ep like the one above, one wants to see the tease at the end. So one buys one then wants to see the rest. For one time. Adds up quickly.
they need more court scenes, so good
Oh that is the girl from Jane the virgin!
I knew I recognized her!!
@@tamekiab1499 I was scrollin to find someone else who recognized her lol
Why didn't he fire a warning short in the air. Gun shorts normally sends people scampering for cover and safety.
Totally against all police force guidelines.
Warning shots? *shakes head*
That cop has a terrible lawyer
Isn't it a felony to assault a reporter?
No. They're like real estate agents and used car salesmen..they tell lies.
And what's wrong with keeping playgrounds and pools safe? It's still keeping people safe, especially kids.
it's not okay if your view of being a cop is a power trip and a permit to bully.
2:33 I love how fake the punch looks, it's like 60's James Bond film quality lol
1:04 Took me a while to recognize Gina Rodriguez
I'd love to see an episode where they cover the Chaz/Chop and the FBI plants.
Or Jan 6th.
The opposing lawyer was so quiet during the questioning that damned her client. It was like she was an audience. "Oh! It's getting to the good part. I wanna hear this." hahaha what happened?
That Was Very HURTING
Corre! Ele tá atacanda, corre! Corre!
Gotta love how brazilians get everywhere.
Who decides what situations auxiliaries are allowed to participate in? Because I dare say whoever missed the fact that an auxiliary was bringing a loaded firearm on duty, against not only the rules of the job but also the law, would also be criminally liable for what happened.
The NYC Axillary police page says: "...Auxiliary officers are trained to observe and report conditions requiring the services of the regular police. Whenever possible, they assist in non-enforcement and non-hazardous duties."
Riot control is definitely a hazardous duty. In RL, auxiliaries would be used on the perimeter of a demonstration to observe the crowd for weapons or unruly behavior, watch exits/entrances. They might be stationed at nearby transit stations for incressed patrol presence during an event. Help keep standby EMT areas clear of bystanders. Assit parking enforcement or direct traffic. They shouldn't be used as riot or crowd control officers as they aren't trained for such activities.
I was a reserve officer for 15 years. this seeming "authority" detectives have over the line officer was never present here. His flip dismissal of the officer to give a directive to another officer was not happening here. Several times we had officers from NYPD come here to pick up prisoner. Their attitudes towards the public were alarming at best. The first time one of them saw rifles and shotguns hanging in the rear window of a pickup he went nuts--screaming for backup--and yelling you will get your gold shield for this. None us understood what he was yelling about. After he calmed down we explained it was legal here. His reply was that civilians can't own guns. It is illegal!! The guy was a nervous wreck while he was here.
"Up here" meaning upstate NY?
Yeah if he lived and worked in NYC all his life it definitely would make sense why he would've flipped out like that. Still absurd with his behavior though just seeing firearms hanging in a pickup truck window and acting like it was an active shooter.
@@teacher_shep no it doesn't make sense. the fact that law abiding civs in nyc cannot have guns to defend themselves is an affront to the constitution. in the 1960s High Schools in NYC had shooting clubs and students carried their rifles on the subway. guess what crime was lower before nyc clamped down on law abiding citizens carrying guns
@@toomanyaccounts I apologize I think you misunderstood me. I was just saying his reaction was understandable, not correct in any fashion. I fully support the right of the people to keep and bear arms to the fullest extent. I know and appreciate it more than other people as an openly gay man living in a red state. I especially support that right in a place like NYC where people most need the right to bear arms in and out of the home. I was just commenting on the fact that somebody, especially an authority figure, one of very few to be able to carry a firearm on and off duty in an area where most other people are not allowed to carry outside of the home, and who probably has had experience with all other people he's encountered carrying or bearing arms doing so criminally. Would react to seeing somebody other than a sworn law enforcement officer "opening showing" for lack of a better term, a firearm in public. His response to seeing this is a totally ridiculous course of action to take. But viewing it through his eyes and lived experience, I could see how he wouldn't be ok with that kind of behavior, as like I said, in his experience, only criminals carry or even have guns.
@@toomanyaccounts
My GOD I remember those days when I was in my high school shooting club in New York City. I even joined the NRA. I thought that I was the only DINOSAUR left! I got drafted and joined the Navy and served THIRTY FOUR years. Because of my high school shooting experience I was a MARKSMAN and later became an EXPERT. My parents were both World War Two and Korean War and early Vietnam War (Indo China circa. 1954) military doctors who taught me how to fire the BAR (BROWNING AUTOMATIC RIFLE for those who don't know what it means), M1911 45 ACP and the Walther PPK. But you are absolutely right about low crime rates in New York City during those days when we had the high school shooting clubs. Especially on the subways.
But I really don't know about giving kids guns these days. They seem to extreme bunch PSYCHOTIC ENTITIES. I wouldn't want to have a bunch of gun toting kids coming to my house because I deleted them from my Facebook page or checked dislike.
Nice to see your comment! ❤👍🇵🇷
Thank you for your service
That’s the fact !
Any person with a gun in hand can shoot , doesn’t need a good reason to shoot either ! Just shooting make some ppl happy , or feel they are somebody .
USA USA USA!!!!!
Officer Rizzo haha nice touch there writers
Never heard of this dude until I just looked him up.
We have auxiliary police in some German states, and some of them are even allowed to carry a gun. But of course, over here, it is no problem - in any given year, police fire only about 100 shots. The entire police. All cops combined. In a nation of 83 million. Cause, you know, people over here respect the law.
@GamerKat'71
LOL! Guess you don't know that the vast majority of police ops in Germany are classified including the court proceedings hence the number of shots fired is not reported. You have cops that in court are only identified by a number and wear a hood to protect their identity. Berlin sends out its anti terror teams more times in day then the city of Los Angeles does in a year.
I love law&order every last episode s.u.v is off the change.Now the one with the return of Elliot Love It.
Objection! Leading the witness
1:00 who is the actress, seen her somewhere else but can't remember where
Ever watched jane the virgin?
Gina Rodriguez , shes most known for Jane the virgin but shes also been on many other movies and shows 😊
She also in a Disney show
@@pixiedust0003 thanks...Deepwater Horizon is what I've seen her in
Uh which actress?
His only mistake was not taking the six weeks to get his badge. If he did then he’d be promoted after the murder 😂
Is this loosely based on the Kent Street shootings?
HEY!!!!! I'm from Boston Mass
Detectives Green & Brisco
I love law and order because it's my favorite cop show ever
Saw the thumbnail real quick and legit thought that was Dan Avidan from Game Grumps.
O hey I know were that hot dog stall is.
Just because he wasn't a real cop doesn't mean he should be be treated unfairly
Did he not shoot someone stfu
Gotcha
the cops shouldnt have been there in the first place
In the recording the voice said red light red light red light and green light green light
He is not a real cop for a reason
Nice video
Poor fake cop got hurt. How about next time you stay home.
This is just an expy of the Boston Massacre.
They only have themselves to blame.
U pick a OCD patient who's not taking medicine and give him uniform n badge of a real cop , what did you think gonna happen?
Man he was obsessed with respect 😳
If u wanna be in a situation that no body disrespect you , you gotta be a cop.
So he joined them, but his getting more disrespect than he got before. Angry as hell , he wanted only one thing , but now he realised it's completely impossible ,
Specially now, we literally don't respect anyone, u know how many disrespectful comment ppl send to me?
Means if ur obsessed with respect,it would be better if u not born in this area. ur screwed. Ur already in hell, let's discuss how to delete you from the space time. 😏
So let’s see…
-Not a real officer
-brought a lethal live weapon
-Took the chance to open fire at not only the crowd but innocents who had nothing to do
-Claims that he wanted thugs to respect and fear him
This is more of a guy with a power tripping lashing out on demonstrators, if they attacked he should have brought a non-lethal gun but he willing took a lethal weapon with the intent to kill
Episode? Witch season ?
He shouldnt have withdrwan his last comment because it was true.
Its always the ones that make the rules that go after the scapegoats that follow them. They went after that cop on policies that he has to follow and has no control over.
Most people have to follow policies that they have little control over. That's what makes them policies. Part of living in a city like NYC, or even in a nation like the United States, means having to abide by a lot of rules that you were outvoted on or that were determined by people born before you.
Why was the shooter in the witness stand? Shouldn't he be the one in trial??
He is testifying for his own defense
In real life there wouldn't be anything stopping this guy from becoming a cop! And then he'd likly get paid leave and re-assigned elsewhere
After Brisco I like Cyrus with green I didn't care for Anthony Anderson near the end I wish green and Cyrus did more episodes together
Good Morning Cherry
This one case is something subtle
Ugh tv foreign conversations with the actors who obviously know English perfectly😅
It's called "playing a character"
Defund.
The auxillaries? I don't think they even have funding.
Yes, defund the police so that they are forced to hire more cheap auxiliaries to do this to protesters in the future. Perfect logic.
“Withdrawn” = 🎤 ⬇️
Now why tf you just standing there and you see people running😳
was that the footage from the abortion protests in Los Angeles last week.
Hey, television ani't real-life, cops dont reduce tension, they escalate tension.
It's DHS
So bad it’s so good
I can’t wait to see the Baltimore ravens vs the New York jets on September 11th 2022 and see a special ceremony for the 20th anniversary of 9/11 on September 11th 2022 at the New York jets stadium
I shot and i didn't mean it
el tipo tenia la culpa y no lo quería reconocer
The auxiliary cop on the stand had a point that wasn't explored. To the protesters - the opposiition - he and the others like him looked just like the regular cops. The crowd wouldn't bother at this moment with the finer points of differentiation, to them they were just cops.
Yet he was supposed to confront them with fewer means of protecting himself, potentially putting himself at higher risk of getting injured or worse. And if he had gotten injured, I would doubt that he would have been entitled to the same kinds of benefits and support the NyDP offers to full-scale officers.
So yeah, looks like he was getting screwed coming and going.
Ain’t that Joe from Flash?
What episode is this?
The episodes name is called illegal as in the word illegal.
Video clip 4:03 Auxiliary Officer some of them have better training because they also have military training in all weapons eg rpg, fire weapons that fire 800ammo never judge a book by its cover.
Ayo its JOE WEST
Aaaaand of course. Even in shows the police don't know what morals, ethics, or human decency is.
Yo
04:12 does anybody here even know (no googling) what she is talking about with "Kent State"?
it's a college
@@justjennb11 be more specific, please
@@jdrancho1864 why, don't you know?
@@justjennb11 Never mind, go play with the other 12-year-olds.
@@jdrancho1864 I have a college degree. Stop being so immature.
Gina Rodriguez?
Yes
The office shouldn't have licked the female reporter
Now....#Jazzlife...o
Was Law and Order left leaning on the political spectrum? Because that's the feeling I'm gettin' here.
im sorry but whoever played this DA was a terrible actor, sam waterson and before him michael moriarty were much much better, particularly moriarty
Agh... I can't side with the guy, but I can't side with the rioters, either. I don't care *what* you think about the system or the police, you don't just escalate the situation when you aren't being directly threatened. I hated the media coverage about the BLM rioters being portrayed as victims when they attacked police, throwing excuses like "the police are violent, too", and I really despise the idea that people protesting are always justified because of their "ideals". But I can't agree with the guy because if you wear a badge then you also have to follow the responsibilities it entails.
@superc37 thank you for making white supremacists look good.
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@@ozwunder69 sorry, but I prefer to have police and its bad apples than no police.
@@dfmrcv862 as you said, no police at all is impossible.
But there is a ton of contempt, a ton of complacency by governments regarding cops. They assume that the profession can do no wrong in many occasions, if not all. The US rejected the idea of a king, when they became independent and when George Washington rejected being a king.
But guess what, government put the cops as de facto kings in what truly is a surveilance society. The king can do no wrong applies to them and no one else it seems.
I don't know what kind of solution we can bring to this yet... but we have to find a way. Because the same state that passes the law and uses all manners to make people abide to it doesn't do the same to officers.
All in all, it's like V says: the government should be afraid of the people, not the opposite
Eee
Melodramatic much.
🔰
The latest episode sucked so bad. Waited almost a month just to be disappointed.
@6:54 I see yall had ANTIFA back then too. Lol
really hate they went after the guy
What do you mean?
You mean the guy that was there to break the riot(riots are broken with non-lethal weapons like pepperspray and tear gas), not kill rioters who had no training about firearm usage and decided to bring one against the rules?
Huh? Are you freaking serious here?
Both the guy on suspension and the guy who killed the woman both deserved to be punished
Gotta love the bootlickers defending even the fictional cops shooting unarmed people...
All of these is just rubbish!
How? I've wanted to know what people have thought about this for a while. Nobody talks about it!
Not guilty.
Uh nope we the jury find the defendant victor rodchenko guilty of both murder and attempted
Murder.
very much guilty