SHOCKING History of Blacks and Italians in America
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In "Italian Americans: Beyond White and Black," we're taking a dive into the Italian American experience, peeling back the layers of their unique racial and ethnic journey in the U.S. This series isn't just about exploring the shades between white and black; it's about understanding the Italian-American experience and their sometimes complex, sometimes collaborative relationship with African Americans. From historical alliances and cultural exchanges to moments of tension and misunderstanding, we're laying it all out on the table. Through stories, interviews, and a bit of history, we'll see how Italian Americans have navigated their identity, often caught in a dance of assimilation and authenticity, and how their path has crossed with African Americans in the quest for recognition and respect in the melting pot of America.
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I'd say the Jewish American & African American communities get along better historically than the AA & Italian American communities.
I am swarthy as well I have seen and experience the racism, that we olive skin people, Latinos, Arabs, Southern Europeans, North Africans, East Indians, can share what is it like to be a minority American, or Brown American.
Go follow Dane Calloway. He definitely showing how history has written blacks out of history. Keep doing what you’re doing👍🏾
@@tudormiller887 Really interesting comment. I definitely think that's true. But when I think of at least my personal family experience, we have had friends that are Italian American. Maybe those ties aren't as public or mainstream. This is one of very few (if any?) public discussions that I recall seeing about the two communities.
Thank you for bringing these people to this discovery.
Why didn’t the Sicilians take into consideration that African Americans were here first and had a significant role in building the country? I feel this way about all immigrants who come here with disdain for blacks.
You're expecting fairness in these kinds of human endeavors. Not sure that's reasonable, given humanity's larger history vis-a-vis immigrant influxes & early mixing of cultures & ethnicities. Humans have always been terrible to each other. Especially across ethnic & tribal lines.
This generation is so ignorant. I think they're the only generation that has Ever had it So Damn Good, and now they have utterly destroyed what we and our parents struggled SO F'ING HARD to provide. This generation thinks they're "fixing" things, but they're just so f"ing ignorant of their parent's and grandparent's history.
@@agrotta1650 what are you arguing?
@@joeyscribbles9803 If you don't know, well then... Educate yourself. It's clear your teachers failed your parents. Or maybe your parents and teachers both failed You. Don't be one of those willfully ignorant people who refuse to listen and decide their opinions are facts and scream in people's faces while being told the truth, only caring about the f'cking color of skin and being absolutely vile hypocrites.
People like THAT are the antifa and KKK, and Why my Southern Italian greats grands did everything God allowed them to do to protect Their descendants from being murdered by the likes of Antifa and the f'ing KKK.
@@joeyscribbles9803 The only racism I have Ever witnessed in my life, has been against me and my son. My son being called "glow in the dark WHITE BOY". I guess "don't judge a book by its cover" is no longer taught in public school. Any one who believes I don't get to Be Happy in my skin or believe they can destroy me for it, can get wrecked. I'm Southern Italian, hot blooded Woman.
"Freedmen" weren't really getting paid, they were often stuck in the revolving door of sharecropping and many ended up in "Peonage" systems
Which is still a problem in some parts of Louisiana and Mississippi to this day. I wouldn't be surprised if some parts of Alabama still had peonage issues in place.
Yes, my Creole family were sharecroppers. It was immense poverty
@@nytn
I went to school with and were friends with people who still lived on plantations.
I grew up within eyesight view, walking distance of a few of the plantations our families were enslaved and sharecropped on. Some of my relatives still worked on them when I was young.
When we did well they burned down our cities. Must have been govt because these used airplanes to bomb us.
Another dynamic missed was how employers would pit groups against each other to lower wages and keep labor unions from forming. Both of my Great Grandfathers worked initially for CF&I in Colorado. Rockefeller hired many Italian, Irish and German immigrants. They were often separated and pitted against one another. When they came together to strike, he had the Governor send in National Guard to break up the camp that they formed together.
History is repeating itself
There was a company town in Pennsylvania where people were separated by ancestry both in the neighborhoods where they were allowed to live and in the jobs they were allowed to do. It was definitely divide and conquer. The company made on big mistake, though. They built only one high school. The children got to know each other.
@gazoontight Ramey was a mine town and was separated. Miners went on strike and built one tent city in Ludlow because it was company housing. National Guard burnt it to the ground and in doing so killed many of the women and children hiding inside
The gov does the same, Divide and conquer and sadly we are still falling for it. And it works.
@@gazoontight are you talking about Hershey chocolate?
I don’t think African Americans had a fair shot at the American dream.
Absolutely, we don't. We have to silently grab the opportunity when it comes to us.
Never did. As soon as it looked like we could get somewhere (emancipation and reconstruction) they worked overtime to take it away through legal means (Black Codes) or terrorism (the KKK).
They do now. Stop complaining.
@@justlol7281
No such thing
@@justlol7281 sounds like a Trump implant
I really appreciate how you put things into context where that you are not just preaching or dictating information but putting history in the nuanced context that it really is.
Thank you for being brave enough to post your content despite difficulties from YT.😊
The competition is that Europeans can easily blend in to the broader white society
And they all have/had a common agreement amongst many disagreements and that was that they all hated/dislike blk ppl.
Not all. Including the Jewish community.
@@tudormiller887 But Jewish people considered on the census as white now.
@tudormiller887 what’s the difference between a Jew and a European just by looking at them🤔
@@tudormiller887lies. If your skin is peach, you’re that proverbial white. Foh!!!
At 4:00 you highlight the real reason why people have always been anti-immigrant. Each wave of immigration also seems to hurt black americans the most to these days. Natives vs Irish blacks vs italians and even today with the sentiment in places like chicago with blacks upset with all of the city's social services being provided to central american immigrants.
But at 13:00 Ethiopia wasn't only an independent African nation but they were themselves an imperial power. They gained territory in the scramble for Africa. The effects of this we can actively see with Ethiopia on the verge of a multipower civil war with the various religious/ethnic groups vying for power. But this is because African history in our schools goes from Ancient Egypt --> maybe Mansa Musa --> triangle trade --> European colonization and ignores everything else. For shame.
Yep
Honestly, I don't think most anti-immigrant people give two shits about black people. At least today
@@LenaFerrari what about the black ones in chicago?
@@JohnnyLodge2 as I said *most*
Thanks for sharing.
I appreciate the history lesson and the complexity of the dynamic you described. Thanks for your hard work on this channel!
Fascinating thank you for your due diligence 😊
The sweetest job i had as a young man was working in an Italian
restaurant. The owner personally
Taught me how to make pizza
The dough, the sauce, oven temp,
even the swirling toss of the dough.
The other Black cooks taught me
Short order, calzone, ..........
All the cooks were Black seriously!
The best tasting Italian food
in the city.
The final crown i achieved was
to be in charge of making
Spamoni!
16 years old.
Interesting
where
@@joederocco9321 back in the 60s
Isle of Capri restaurant
@@larryboone5865 in italy you mean
What are spamoni? In Italy doesn't exist nothing called "spamoni". Maybe "spumone" (spoomoneh)?
You should do a video on relations between Mexican Americans and African Americans.
I was just thinking the same thing!!
Most black American of slavery were not from Africa. They are aboriginal to the Americas. Only 3-5% were kidnapped from Africa
@@democratsrepublicansbothan7973Sub-Saharan Africans aren't indigenous to the Americas no matter how hard you wish it to be so. People don't have to play along with your delusion.
She’s not Mexican or African American, so she wouldn’t be a valuable source
Yes she is! U clearly haven't been watching!!
So many levels to the interactions between the two communities and makes me think of the friendship between Frank Sinatra and Sammy Davis Jr. Loving this series!
Such great work!
Really great work NYTN, a history few really want to cover or speak about.
In Philadelphia, it varied by neighborhood. People of color growing up in the 1950's in West Philadelphia talked about being chased by Italian kids. In the 1920's and 30's it was the Italian kids being chased by the Irish. South Philadelphia always had much friendlier relations.
the the Irish & Italians were violent to black people..
My family is from W. Philly going back to 1916 when my grandparents arrived from Baltimore.
We are POCs. So, yes, I heard similar stories. My dad went to Overbrook HS, btw.
Until Irish/Italians Married each other..
They really have a different culture..almost like biracials
@@yvonneplant9434 I can see the tower of Overbrook from my window. :)
What's a "people of color"?
Enjoying this journey! Thank you for your research.
I’m enjoying it so much. Thanks for being here
Thank you Danielle for doing this large research and work for this video. This is very informative. Thank you.
Keep up the good work!
Wow i stumbled across your video and l learned so much thanks 😃
Love your videos
Your channel is a gem. You do great work and I really appreciate the history you bring forth. You represent a world of unheard voices.
THANK YOU :)
Thanks, Danielle. Another great, thoughtful and nuanced analysis. I think knowledge and experience bring out the value of nuance. This kind of platform helps bring that forward. 👍🏼🙏 The way I see it, although a POA (point of arrival) may be unrealistic or an unreasonable expectation, the path forward will always be in the realms of community and individual/family relationships. That's often made very difficult when the 1% is working overtime to pit us against one another and keep the masses hungry (not new.) Every time a prejudiced belief is replaced with an experience to the contrary, a little part of our fear dies and loses it power. I call that experience "heaven-on-earth" and it gives me the strength to keep showing up to build communities based on those principles in spite of internal or external challenges.
My world has changed from my Sicilian American grandfather's. I often heard him complain about African-Americans taking jobs in NYC (in the 1960's and 1970's!). So, in my experience, we've changed a lot in 50 years but, siting nuance again, I know that is not universal and cannot be generalized. On the Italian side of the ocean, there are still plenty of Mussolini holdouts. His quotes still live on buildings in Sicily. His bust is still displayed in coffee shops. His followers are still there in significant numbers, hence the recent election of PM Giorgia Meloni. 😮 History goes round and round, where it stops nobody knows. In the meantime, I'm chasing peace wherever it leads.
I look forward to hearing more from you and the other historians you are lining up.
Mille grazie amica. ❤🇺🇲🇮🇹☮️🕯
Your hair is BEAUTIFUL! 😍
...the hair wig on top or the real roots on top of the scalp?
I love your perspective of recognizing people tried to work together and that it wasn’t all animosity.
great job, this is the type history that should be taught in school
I'm the 1st to comment. Just wanted to say... you're effin' AWESOME!
It’s crazy how we black American la helped everybody and what did we get from that I wonder
picking cotton in the dirt poor south didn't help anyone, it was a huge injustice and massive waste of time and did not help anyone.
A big fat nothing burger
@@Lost7oneblack slaves did a lot more than pick cotton, you goofball. They were carpenters, plumbers, electricians, and even firemen. Stop the mayo babble
@@Lost7one So those plantations owners who were taking in millions of dollars annually, It didn't help them at all? Boy, It's just too hard for y'all to admit the importance of American slavery that helped build this country, cause you don't want to admit that black labor is the reason why the country is as prosperous today.
@@kevingomez-johnson140it helped a select few small dicked white people who did not contribute to society at all, the people in the north who did not have slaves and employed irish workers (for slave wages) were much much much richer than the southern plantation owners, it is not even close, you are crazy.
The Italians never worked on no plantations next to blacks. Black people slavery was a business and blacks suffered a hell of lot more then the Italians.
Look up the sunny side plantation.
Different time frames btw, you are talking about slavery and she is talking about around 1920.
Is this a weird victimhood competition? Lol comparing hardships of previous humans that you never met that share the same skin pigmentation that you do with another group of humans you never met based off their proximity to the equator and doing so when neither group currently lives under that dynamic is, well…creating obstacles for no reason
@@NIXN636 They were indentured servants that worked so many years to pay off their debt to society and/or their travel expenses, room and board, and food that was paid for by the government on their behalf. After the debt was paid they were allowed into the American Society but not as a Black but a Colored person with a higher class and trained to become craftsman and overseers of plantations. Later on they became our policeman, service man, and fireman. This is about classism based of colorism which certain blacks were not allowed to obtain into those classes based on their lineages and The Maryland Doctrine of Exclusion of 1638, in which all states adopted when they became a part of the state of the union.
Correct. The darker the skin tone, the greater the persecution. Holds for the past the present and the future.
I always cite the fact that Italians were allowed to fight in Ethiopia whilst black Americans weren't to add context to position of Italian American's position in American society, whilst they were still discriminated against it wasn't to the extent that black Americans were like revisionists will try to convince people.
and many Italians fought in the south Pacific and not Europe.
My dad told me a story about his father being upset about the Italian aggression toward Ethiopia. “It’s terrible what the Italians are doing to the Abyssinians” he said. My dad said he was reading the McCurtain County Gazette, a rural Oklahoma newspaper.
Keep up the good work. Your channel is creating incredible dialogue.
Hi Danielle! If I may, I would like to ask you two questions regarding the Italian/Sicilian experience in New Orleans…(1.) How did other ethnic communities interact or relate with the Arbereshe Sicilians in NOLA? (2.) Do you know specifically about the historical Tiro al Bersaglio Society and how widely known a traditional food or pasta dish named Cavatuni is (I think that’s what it’s called)? I’m interested because these are particular cultural experiences that my ancestors (great-grandparents) had as Italians living in New Orleans. Thanks again, and I also subbed to your Patreon too, very interesting stuff here and there as well! :)
Thank you! So generous of you, it means a lot. I’m going to write down what you wrote. I’m bringing on an Italian American historian from Louisiana at some point soon for this series . He’s probably my dad’s generation and knows more than me! The Italian experience in Louisiana is really incredible. If you haven’t seen the videos on the Tallulah Louisiana lynching of 5 Italian men it’s in the playlist and you might find that really helpful as you are working out your family history
Muffaletta Sandwich!
N.Italians and S.Italians ( I am a quarter of each)and half Irish.Wow!I heard all of these negative comments from all sides,sadly.
Best hopes for the future, as we acknowledge past wrongs; and learn to forgive not repeat. Thanks for allowing us on your Healing journey. Thanks for sharing, caring, and being brave. I am so glad you are embracing your natural Crown of beautiful hair.😍
Thanks for sharing this information
Great information from a very beautiful lady. Thanks
The significance of the Ethio-Italian wars on global politics is often severely understated, both in the battle of Adwa in 1896 and the Italian occupation of Ethiopia in 1936-1941
You provide such a wealth of information. With such varied motivations, experiences and perspectives it's easy to how people can end up making judgments against each other. You're right, there will be no true peace this side of Heaven, but we owe it to ourselves, and more so to the One who created us , to try to understand and respect one another. Thank you, many times, for all your efforts. If teachers in our public schools had the information and freedom to speak this level of truth to their students the world would be a better place.
Very timely topic Miss Romero...I can remember my time in Kansas City have to live with and work and deal with the Italians. Some good...Others contentious. I and others fought with..And against many of them. My family could you even more as they knew many from other states in the South.
When they were included [finally] in the "white supremacist hierarchy," they changed real fast! And there prejudices and traditions towards "Black and Darker" people brought from the old country, but many men actually married some Black women,even to resistance.
Now they move up and leave the worst to a underclass that was and is..Still Black Americans. And Italians and Irish became overnight enemies and actually joined in the "Anglo" syndicates, and professions. They took over professions and work that were primarily Black and now they were "protected" and "preferred" now by other European Immigrants, hence the unions you see now in Construction and other building jobs and professions.
We have a history of dealing with the Italians, as my grandmother actually dealt with and as a seller to "Al Capone" during prohibition, as she and Capone were big "Bootleggers" and we knew this connection with some documentation too! One of my relatives is still living and living there in Kansas City too! I could say more but very interesting video. Peace
Hi Danielle. I highly recommend. "Dangerous Rhythms" by TJ English. English brings the kind of nuance to this history of jazz and the underworld that you love. It is pertinent to this subject due the predominance of African American performers and Italian American club owners. It covers both violent exploitation and promotion of civil rights.
Get to the point,once southern Italians were excepted as white, that's when the hate really started and the African Americans you speak of were the 1% of their day,the south was segregated from the beginning.
Videos hits a little 2 close to home when your half sicalian and half Jamaican lol🎉good vid
😅😅 this is hilarious
Please forgive me for posting so much. I Love how you ended this video. I only want peace, love and understanding and to break the indoctrination/lies we learned in schools. I love how you show many different perspectives !
I only see this comment! Dont apologize, i try to read every comment when I can and this really filled my heart. Thanks:)
You're so great that I'd love to see you do a video on H.K.Edgertob
On the contrary my dear I believe the healing of our nation's has begun in you and I. I well up with tears too filled with the spirit it's the love of our ancestors in our DNA with the truth of God and his love for humanity...we cannot deny our heartfelt desire for unity because it's wholly and holy who we are...we may not be here to see it, yet our souls cry out ...we are the catalysts as we are the people who are the ones that can see and speak to the commonality of humanity and say no to the injustice and ignorance of any one as we truly are everyone!!! Straight FACTS. You are so beautiful Danielle in so many ways thank you sister for being!!!❤ it's not about complexion when you can see a soul reflexion ; )
Just for clarity's sake, those were JOBS vacated by the Emancipation Proclamation. Those were FREE LABOR positions.
Exactly
Can you explain further? I’m sorry for my ignorance on this topic, but I never heard this before. Are you saying the free black people were still having to work on the plantations for free? If so, why? If you don’t want to explain it all, let me know where I can read about it. I’m interested to know more.
@@findingbeautyinthepain8965 This will get you started:
Vagrancy Act of 1866
The Vagrancy Act of 1866, passed by the General Assembly on January 15, 1866, forced into employment, for a term of up to three months, any person who appeared to be unemployed or homeless. If so-called vagrants ran away and were recaptured, they would be forced to work for no compensation while wearing balls and chains.
Also, there is a documentary titled 13 or 13th. It is here on TH-cam and on Netflix. There is also documentaries on Reconstruction and Jim Crow here on TH-cam. There is also another documentary on PBS called Italian Americans. Very good documentary.
I hope this helps.
@@findingbeautyinthepain8965 Check out the Vagrancy Act of 1866. Also check out 'Black Codes'.
@@judagreat_8982Her father is a white man I wouldn't trust her no matter what she says!
Great presentation all the way around. BTW, your hair looks great, don’t straighten it, go with it naturally. My sisters even wore afros back in the 60s when were kids!
Ask Movie Director Spike Lee! He made a whole Movie about it.
Haha *my man*
Anyways, I found it fascinating that the Italian guy who owned the pizzeria said in real life *I don’t consider my use of Italian american, I went to Italy & found out I was more American than anything else. They looked down on me* So the guy who plays Gus Fring said *Yea, well I actually grew up in Italy. My dads Italian, so I’m essentially an Italian/African American* It was a beautiful conversation
@@Ishbikes his actual name is Esposito (very typical Neapolitan surname) if I am not wrong and spoke Italian way better than the pizza owner (Danny Ajello? ).
Thank you for an insightful and nuanced discussion. My maternal grandmother was a licensed midwife in Youngstown, Ohio, and initially worked with a black doctor. Sadly, my family absorbed a lot of racism in becoming more mainstreamed. As a Christian, too, I agree that these divisions cannot be entirely healed. But your work and passion reveals God’s grace at work. Blessings!
The main theme I've gathered from your post is how complex and nuanced this story is. Something that is not stressed enough when talking about US History and Race is tgat this country is a patchwork of different cultures, languages, "races" ,etc.
America is sociological experiment and it is astonishing that it still stands.
When you add in the brutality/ genocide of Native Americans, slavery and systemic racism its no wonder why each immigrant group has struggled.
Its no surprise tension arose between different ethnic groups nor that they still persists.
When I was watching the movie "Do The Right Thing" I was wondering why the pizza shop owner didn't put Roy Campanella, Jr and Franco Harris on his wall?
As for Franco Harris who was a Black-Italian, you may not know that in Pittsburgh he had a cheering section called Franco's Italian Army. You might want to explore the story of Franco Harris in one of your videos.
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I would opine that Italians were/are always distancing themselves from anything black, despite the obvious connection to Africa.
Great topic, Danielle! As an Italian American, you seem to understand the significance of that hyphenated identity. You dove into the intricacies of each culture, American and Italian, and you come out closer to the ideal American, than many Italians that I’ve met. Old cultural habits, die hard, old, superstitions, linger, yet the Italian group, as a whole in America has prospered and benefited from being here. How can anyone call themselves Italian American and block the love to other Americans? Check out the documentary “Race, the power of an illusion“, published by california newsreel a while ago. There’s a segment on the late 1800s early 1900s immigration wave, and some succinct comments about the Italian immigrants or the immigrants from southern Europe.
I love the suggestion, thank you!
@nytn I appreciate your videos and what you say in them. I also agree with your motivations of unity. I'm from San Francisco, and my dad grew up in a mixed Italain and "black" neighborhood. In my view, long lost brothers and cousins. The solution to fixing the rift is simple. You ate already taking some of the most important steps in that journey by producing your videos. I believe that most "black" Americans and Italians know that they share blood and history. But the fact that Italians were let into "whiteness" is the key to the rift. Many won't want to relinquish that privilege and access to reclaim their true identity. Though many seem to be warming up to the idea of embracing their "Italainess" over just being lumped into the "white" category. The main problem is the negativity associated with anything "black." Once people can see through the smoke screen of propaganda and being associated with "black" people is seen as something positive. Then you'll see many things change.
There’s a movie called Matewan that really looks at Italians, Black workers, and white workers in the coal camps (it leaves out Natives and mixed melungeons, but it’s really good). I think it would add so much to your series and to your understanding of conditions for what happened to so many melungeons. ❤
Your hair is beautiful
thank you, im trying to embrace it more!
Hello. Just found your channel. Do you post any music made with the equipment behind you onto TH-cam?. Or is it someone elses equipment?. I am genuinely interested to hear some of you stuff lol.
It is my husband's! Id love to get him to use it sometime on here
Your hair is Beautiful 🤩🤩🤩. 👍🏾
Thank you! 🤗
As an Italian Australian I love listening to your stories. I’m not 100%. Positive but Organ grinder is a person who cranks a mobile mechanical pneumatic organ. This person often had a monkey with a cup collecting tips. So basically the organ grinder was the person in charge rather than the lackey. This info may have you looking at the slur slightly differently.
I had a great uncle who was an organ grinder with a monkey. I never met him but it would have been interesting if I did.
The term ‘African American’ was not in use for the time period that you are referring to in your video, that term is relatively new as it only came into use in the late 1980’s early 1990’s. The term “African American” came about in late 1988 early 1989 by Jesse Jackson. So the Black people that you are referring to in your video were not African American, they were known as Egroes (with an N on the front) or even colored or Injun/Indian etc. when speaking of a people group it’s better to refer to them by the names that were used at that time. Africa and America are two different land masses. Also part of why black Americans were relabeled as African, is because the oppressors believe all black peoples are from the same lineage and they are not. Also there were Americans who were mixed with African and also Africans who came from Africa to America who were known as African American, but prior to the arrival of Africans there were black American Indians here who were also not Asian as dna shows.
" when speaking of a people group it’s better to refer to them by the names that were used at that time. "
I agree. So please stop calling the Irish "Celts".
Stop referring to Native Americans is being Asian. That’s a white man’s theory, and so far it’s only for the Alabaskan Inuit, tribes of Canada, the Apache and Navajo..
Facts❤
@@Itzpapalotl.
Well the Native Americans by their dna are Asian they are mitochondrially Asian. Haplogroups A, B, C, D, M, N, X and various others are Asian and Eurasian haplogroups that trace back to their mother haplogroup of L3 which is Hamitic, so when people refer to modern natives that look Asian as Asian, it’s because their dna does show that they are Asians. They may have been in America a long time, but they are Asian. There are other haplogroups though that are American, but also Hebrew which in historical text the real Americans are also known as Hebrews, and their mitochondrial dna is different than the modern Native Americans who are of Asian stock. So knowing the mother haplogroup shows what lineages people descend from.
@@jboss1073
When it comes to the Celts and the Irish, the Celts are a people group throughout Europe even in Spain etc. with their languages and customs and cultures etc. where as Irish is the name of people from the land mass of Ireland and that can be simulate to calling various groups of people American even though their ancestry is not necessarily American. If a Chinese person went to Ireland and had Chinese children there for a number of generations and took on Irish language dialect and customs and traditions, they would be called Irish although their blood lines are Chinese. So it’s a little different than with African American as DNA shows that people who are labeled African American, not all share Hamitic bloodlines. Even in the subcontinent of Africa not all “Africans” share those bloodlines. Also Africa is a modern term as in recent history there were renaming and changes made. Amongst who people now call African American, there was quite a bit of reclassification if you go more into that. So with reclassification the terms used at the time spoken of in the video we’re not African American as that didn’t come about until after that time period. Also “African Americans” by their dna, many are not of Hamitic lineage, their lineage is actually Shemetic so it’s a confusing of lineages which is different than nationalism in the modern sense as outlined above.
Good morning from Copperhill Tn. Muhammad Ali went to Ireland to see his uncle. Remember his name back then was Caussis Clay.
Mohammed Ali knew that his great-grandfather was white, but he thought that his great-grandmother had been raped or was in a non-consensual relationship as a slave. Then, he found out that his ancestors had been legally married. That kind of surprised him and I guess he didn't despise American whites so much. There is much more racial mixing in the U.S. now than there was before segregation ended. Maybe, Danielle Romero's ancestors are going to be trendsetters.
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He didn't have an Uncle in Ireland. He went to Ireland and received a huge welcome. It was thought his Great Grandfather Abe Grady came from Ennis, Co Clare but no Irish born person named Abe or Abraham Grady appears on the Kentucky Census so it's not correct because the Abe Grady who is Muhammed Ali's Great Grandfather is highly to be African-American. Muhammed Ali's European ancestry goes back to his maternal Great Grandfather Thomas Morehead whose father as said to be Armstead S Morehead who was of English, Welsh and Scots descent. Thomas Morehead's mother Dinah was a slave.
@@jackieblue1267 Source? Did Mohammed Ali know these details?. My information is based on a You Tube video where he discusses the issue. Modern biographers might have better information. 30% of American Blacks have Caucasian DNA.
@@dinkster1729 The majority of American Blacks have European dna and Mohammed Ali also had but he just didn't have Irish ancestry. People love him in Ireland but if you search Ali's family tree he had no one born in Ireland. It's just a case of mixing up two different people.
We need that more now then ever .
You are right.i have been researching and i look to see where we went wrong.start with Carter G Woodson.He is the father of Black history.The book the Miseducation of the negro explains some of the issues with the education system during the great migration.
Go and see ‘Origin’ in the theaters. It will give you context of the bigger picture being discussed here.
This story is very important to you because you are of both black and Italian descent.
I lost my university sociology textbook, so I can't give you the original reference, but back in the 20th Century, someone did a study of a neighborhood in I believe Chicago. He observed the four groups in the neighborhood, Black, Mexican, Puerto Rican, and Italian. The four groups maintained distinct differences in dress, speech, and behavior. I wish I could give you the reference; I think you'd like to read it.
@gazoontight...Sounds like quite the homogenous neighborhood. Or is it homogeneous? Perhaps a little bit of both. 😊
That really explains why black people have an affinity for pasta and Italian food. I never quite understood where the fried catfish and spaghetti pairing came from. Thank you for the work you do!
Peace!
Is that an 808 and a MOOG in the background???
Wasn't there an "Italian Civil rights group" similar to the NAACP in the 60's/70's ? I can vaguely recall hearing about it many many years ago in a movie or TV show back in the late 70's. I was listening to a radio show here in Canada on CBC and an Italian guy born in California called in saying he got fed up of being called all sorts of names growing up there, so he just moved to Vancouver and Never wanted to go back.
I always wondered what the consensus was between Black Americans and Italian Americans during the Invasion of Ethiopia by Mussolini. Thank you for providing an answer with this historical context.
I enjoy your thoughts and through content as a historian. I have a question: When did the Italians become white? Thank you for your answer.
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So then the Puerto Ricans moved in and pushed out the Italians!
Guess what the U.S. did during the Italian Ethiopian conflict. They allowed Italian-Americans to get passports in order to fight for the Italians. The African-Americans were denied passports. Those who wanted to leave America and fight like in WW1, were denied.
Fact speak the truth
Hey the fruit stand/food truck battle is currently being fought in many places. The new immigrants are Latinos this time. Florida has recently changed food regulations to require licenses. Small businesses used the same arguments Danielle quoted in those 1920s newspapers.
Wow.
It’s hard to watch these videos but I feel seen and heard by acknowledging that our history is often hid and used against us as if we have contributed nothing to this country. Our stories are very similar and for that I appreciate you sharing yours
Interesting point for you NYTN: The history and trend of Antiblackness and Colorism in the North of the Mediterranean sea (Southern Mediterraneans like sicilians, andalusians, cretans) communities is VERY SIMILAR to the antiblackness and colorism in South of Mediterranean sea communities like Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria etc. It is an interesting thing to discover what caused Mediterranean peoples that have admixture of both European and African in their communities to have become so anti-black and self distancing to their own melanated heritage. Most likely the Crusades, the Slave trade and the world wars also have something to do with it. Because in places we've political influence and group pressure within the community is not that strongly divisive, these communities often pull to one another.
I see that behringer
I dont thik surrendering your agency is the way either. I believe it starts with strong compassionate leadership who can bring out the best in us.
Have you seen the "Sicilian" scene from True Romance? If you haven't, it's on TH-cam.
Yes, I just watched it. What a history lesson, it was DEEP.
No I have not!
@@nytn Warning! It's very graphic, but makes a point.
@@sd247 There is a video floating around TH-cam where Dennis Hopper talks about how he came up with the idea of putting the scene in the movie.
@@nytn You should watch the Hidden Colors documentary series as well.
My grandparents on my mother side came from Italy. My grandmothers maiden name was Castanza (sp?), my grandfather’s name was Ferraro. They originally came to New York, like so many Italians, but eventually moved to Washington State. My grandfather had people who were against him because he was Italian, and I’m guessing my grandmother did too. All I know about my father he was full blooded Italian as well.
Thank you for teaching people history I think once one understands the history of humanity it forces you to look at individuals different. I think its important to understand that in America we have a class based system just not written into law. It almost resembles the Spanish caste system. With anybody that can trace their ancestors to Saxony or Angles Germany being on top. Its why the Irish being Celts & Italians being Romans plus Spanish being part Moorish weren’t seen as white. Because they don’t directly descend from Vikings. If we can figure out how to get rid of classism without turning completely Marxist we might be able to figure out a way to live in harmony as Americans. But ima be real the rich like division among workers thats why they hate socialism so I don’t know if that’s possible. We can all hope though because we need a version of it in America.
Oh & Ethiopia has a crazy history its the Second Christian nation on planet earth. Their royal family is directly descended from king Solomon from the bible. They probably have the oldest bible on earth ( Coptic Bible ). And the Rasta religion is based of the last king of Ethiopia being ( Ras Tafari ). Europeans viewed them as Caucasian up into WW2 which is why Italy had a hard time invading them. They couldn’t use the old we are civilising them thing & is probably why they couldn’t fully invade them. They were only able to conquer what is now Eritrea & the invasion is probably why the country exists in the first place.
Ethiopian history is incredible. I love the ties to the original church.
Organ grinder means butcher? Hahaha 😂 I never thought of it that way. I have only heard it as a person who plays the barrel organ, a street performer for tips.
Yeah! There's the stereotype of the Italian with his portable organ and his monkey busking in the streets. @Danielle Romero. Are you sure the reference is to Italians making sausages out of organ meat? It might be. I remember a story about an American couple of Fogo Island ordering a salami from Montreal from a delicetessan owner in St John's, a couple hundred miles from Fogo. The delicetessan owner got the salami in, but, then, his dog fished it out of the groceries and ate it! The Americans never got their salami. Ethnic people add so much colour to our Canadian culture. Why would people be prejudiced against them? Crazy Pollievre is trying to stir up Canadians against immigrants. I think he's going to fail miserably in his efforts. There are too many people here descended from recent immigrants who all have their immigration story to tell.
My Uncle for many years had a personalized plate that was DAGORED. One year they would not let him renew it because it was offensive 😂. My Dads plate was "Super WOP"😅
I don't think you'd get away with either one of those in Ontario. We have a censor who decides what can be on a vanity plate or not.
A kid at school called me a wasp and I asked my mom what they meant. She said you aren't a wasp you are a wop haha.
@timeforchange3786 yeah, two COMPLETELY different things 🤣
@@dinkster1729 that was back in the 1970s and 1980s. Uncle has his hanging in his garage since they wouldn't renew it. I have my Dads because he sold the truck it was on and kept the plate
@@timeforchange3786lord 😂😂
I’d suggest you read Race and Sex volumes 1 and 2 by J.A. Rogers. You’ll love it in terms of African and Irish and condemnation of blackness.
We always had solidarity until they (meaning Jews,Irish and Italians )got their white card
That's a lie. They always looked White and were/are still racist even before/after their "White card". All of them.
myronsmith, this shows that they were reallyly never in solidarity. I think BP need to stop uniting with these benedict Arnold grups and just take care of themselves and the blk community
I enjoyed this and found it informative. You can dismiss my experience as anecdotal. But in 80s Brooklyn my first girlfriend was a blond Colombiana. I'm Afro Latino. Just our holding hands would get us strange looks. But what might give optimism are the two neighborhhods we were accepted in. Bushwick a hospanic hood and any Italian hood. They didn't seem to care about our color differences. A black guy and, what appeared to be, a white girl got no reaction from those two communities. We took no reaction as acceptance. It's easy to feel down because of all the stuff around us. But contrary to popular belief we were not always at each other's throats. Maybe my Italian friends gave me a pass. Spamish speakers can comprehend some Italian. Same emphasis on familia first. But my experiences, a very dark skinned latino, with the Italian community has been very good. They joke very hard, but so do we. One of my brothers grandsons is Honduran, chinese and Italian. Everbody has a problem until they see the beauty of the children. Then everyone forgets they were ever against anything.
@@judagreat_8982 I agree with you up to a point. I was always an outsider to B American culture. It is a very distinct culture. My view is limited to 70s and 80s Brooklyn. Yes being an outsider or immigrant can bind people. But those same immigrant experiences will also draw people apart. The immigrant experience is not a bonding glue. I fought many a Haitian, Jamaican and Dominican.
But b American culture is very much American. Very individualistic. "Tanya your cousin is in trouble." A common response was "child she grown." Not with us you drop everything and go help your blood. In the 90s I moved to Atlanta. There I found a culture similar to my own. I've gone to a number of large family reunions and found similar familiar attitudes. But not Brooklyn. There the emphasis is more on the individual.
My own child is partly African American, and yes there were cultural differences between us. Especially when it came to child rearing. I was a helicopter dad. She emphasized independence. Somehow we managed to produce a beautiful young lady.
Cultural differences are not the be all. The blending of cultures, I believe, will enrich the lives of everyone. My daughter is now a pan africanist. B1, but should she marry outside race, I would not be in the least bothered. The youngest of 8 I was the only one to marry b American. Unlike them I grew up here. It was easier for me to connect.
I grew up in NYC. The lower east side is where immigrants lived when they arrived. Italians, Irish, and others
Thank you for the work that you do and for sharing what you discover along the way. I live in Toronto, Canada and my parents were immigrants here from Calabria in southern Italy. It's interesting to hear about the history they don't teach in school. Healing between people only comes through Jesus. He taught us to forgive those who have transgressed against us. When people stop blaming an entire group for the sins of individuals and realize that we have all sinned against each other and our Father in heaven then healing can begin. We need to forgive others as well as ourselves as God forgives us. Cultural differences and appearances are of the flesh but our true nature is of the spirit. When we realize this, then we can heal, forgive one another and ourselves and become what Christ taught us to be. We battle not against flesh and blood but against principalities. Satan is at war trying to keep mankind divided and separated from our creator because when we are united in obedience to God, Satan's kingdom will crumble.
The average Italian didn't even want to be dragged into a war or be in Ethiopia, that is why Mussolini was eventually murdered by the Italian people. This is what makes me angry about the war, these warmongers drag their entire country into war and it is the average people on both sides that suffer the consequences.
Always. Every time.
Have a question what happened why the divide today I wonder
Salutamu 😊
Most folks don’t know who the Brown Condor was or his significance in Ethiopia 🇪🇹?
What African Americans have been looking for for decades, similar to what transpired at the end of Apartheid that kept South Africa from imploding, and that is complete honesty, which the tribalism of racialization in U.S. can't seem to afford. Even though there were many cases of shared values, common adversaries, and interdependence between Blacks and Italians in various regions, at different times, and under various circumstances, let's not forget that the violence and in many cases riotous violence against African Americans over labor literally banished them from their communities and former sources of incomes. Then there were the Black codes and the power that immigrant labor had over the racial exclusivity of unions, especially in construction. Throughout the nation, these attacks were initiated by usually immigrant whites not the other way around, so these were more than merely a competitive and equitable clash of classes or racism, in some cases they were massacres (men, women, and children.) So let's be somewhat more honest...
We do need that healing as a world, and like you said an act of God would do it…until then, as you said previously, learning about family history is a great place to start the healing one by one
If you want to tell a story related to discrimination against Italians, you can use that of the inventor Antonio Meucci.
Italians lived with Creoles in New Orleans, too.