Intel 7700K - Complacent CPU or Ryzen Killer?
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RYZEN killer? RYZEN isn't even out yet??? Typical INTEL Fanboys...
you... should probably watch the video..
savage
brehhh
Leaked benchmarks show that Ryzen is around i5 6500 non even K gaming performance
wow this is a crazy!!! fight
God, I REALLY don't like this new thumbnail style.
Nobody does, it's marketing instead of quality content
ikr
Daylen lmgnick posted in the forms about it, they are testing it out and while they are aware of the negative feedback the amount of views it gains from possible subscribers is quite large.
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Who cares about the thumbnail? The quality of the videos is still there. I honestly don't even look at the thumbnails, if the title of the video interests me I'll watch it. If the new thumbnails get them more views and more money and there is no drop in video quality I say more power to them.
"Kaby Lake is still using 14nm"
And so will rocket lake, in 2021
Yep and i'm still using a 2500 upgrading to a 3770k cause i only game at 1080p
Love the way even back then intel being on 14nm was a joke, I wonder how Luke would have reacted if he was told that Intel would keep 14nm until the 11th generation lmao
I just want AMD to come out strong this year. This market needs more competition.
Kang The Mad lol it's funny cuz everyone fights when there's competition but now that we don't have it we want it back lmao
They won't... Ryzen almost showed no improvement to the 6900K. Bet the 7900K that's coming is already better. If they don't have dramatically lower prices than Intel they have absolutely failed. At least for me. Lots of cores, very bad single cpu score... suck at gaming
Ryzen doesnt have to compete with a 6900k, even tho they are similar design, price point makes the 6900k irrelevant to most consumers. Ryzen has no competition in the 8c/16t category basically, whether it will be successful against base i5 and i7 will be the deciding point for it. 6900k is nice but id buy 2 xeons for 8c/16t at half the price instead lol... but then there is ryzen now.
an also 6900k was ran against a similarly clocked ryzen. Ive read ryzen will be released at 4ghz on all cores, so add 800mhz to previous benchmarks comparisons ive seen where they are nearly equal... to be honest im an amd fan, but not so hard core as to dismiss reality.. im currently running skylake lol
That's not the point Raidon. If the Ryzen chip can compete with intel's EE chips in terms of price, that would shift the market. Competition will be back.
Kaby lakes are just overclocked Skylakes with support for a couple of new technologies
Sebastian Contreras Yeah, I really think they're just selling the chip on 4K Netflix. It also steps up their game if Zen has comparable performance, as people become attractive to the Intel exclusive stuff.
+InTheAir
that's a rational theory, except the average consumer is anything but rational and will buy whatever is considered to be "mainstream". i mean, just look at apple sales. these people clearly don't know what they're paying for.
supports new technologies means its DIFFERENT
Sebastian Contreras that's exactly what we said from Ivy to Has.
well thats whats happening since 2700k, which, if overclocked, runs at the same speed that this 7700k does, so single core performance didnt change at all the last 6 years, however multicore performance did, but it depents if that matters for u the user or not
Pfft, Netflix 4K is such a joke right now. Needing a 4K monitor, extremely fast and reliable internet service, and a PC built with the latest Intel CPU that runs Windows 10, and even then it will only work through the Edge browser? Apart from the hardcore enthusiasts, who would care at that point?
Pretty much lmao
what are you talking about? Firefox supports Intel Quicksync video in Windows 7
There are cheaper KL CPUs, and the ones in laptops, too. What's laughable is the Cancer 10 and Edge requirement. Fuck off, Netflix, if I want 4K films, I can download or stream them from pirate websites, no need to pay for your bullshit :D
+turbo pascal what makes you so sure that Firefox won't add the hardware optimization support for 4k netflix like it has support of 1080p now in Windows 7?
"Latest"? Doesn't it just require like a 3570k or 4670k or higher?
Only increase I see is in my disappointment.
Same... DX
there are very overclockable so well worth the money even without clocking look to buy it now price on this brand new one with warranty UK www.ebay.co.uk/itm/112860795841 i want one now
*Random Thought* - Kaby Lake fills the need that Dell and Acer and others have to sell something "new" each year, even if it isn't new... It is Haswell Refresh all over again, which is fine, but that is all it is...
The harsh truth is that an i7-2600K overclocked to 4.5GHz still holds up well 5+ years later...
Tech Deals Just built a 2600k system and it's a beast.
an overclocked i7 960 is pretty boss still.
Well more than 4 cores helps... But Kaby Lake doesn't have more than 4 cores... :)
Then the question becomes, does the average person, even in 2016, actually need more than a 5 year old Sandy Bridge? Not want, "need"...
If AMD releases a CPU with the performance of i7-6800K and does it at the $250 price point, they'll sell a ton of them I think... 6 cores, 12 threads, for $150 less than Intel, that'll be a hit...
I've got a 2600k, it's overclocked to 4.1Ghz (I think, windows says 3.4 and 4.1)
Still pretty good, I notice it chugs a bit on some things.
Wonder if the upgrade to the latest stuff from a 2011 era build would result in a huge improvement?
(GPU isn't 2011, GTX 950 SC)
Unless AMD actually makes a comeback, Intel will only be improving little things like this for years to come
so u dont need to upgrade for long time and u save money win win
if amd makes good cpu get it but if they dont u dont need to spend any money for cpu for long time
Bipolar- Bear Amd will at least be as good as intel. The architecture is almost the same as intel.
Bipolar- Bear According to their unveiling they're doing more than a comeback they're destroying every cpu intel has available to buy
+Aaponton No just no. People want a competitive market again. Nvidia and Intel have been in the monopoly for so long now that they are able to overprice their products and get away with it.
There is right now no point for actual CPU improvement as most programs are still 32-bit based. Besides a CPU barley reaches 60% usage, let alone 100% at normal usage (Unless the program is terribly written). Anyway the point is that CPU nowadays are idling most of the time.
I'm on a 4790k. I think I'll wait until 10th gen processors to upgrade.
Sad but true. Maybe 2020 next processor upgrade. I just hope my motherboard holds until that.
mean while, others like me enjoy the insane good BW from ddr4 mem. while others use over 8 year old tech still
2400mhz CL10 ddr3 is probably good enough for the next few years, ddr3 is a bit power hungry but who cares.
Do what I did and mod the motherboard if it supports the harpertown 771 xeon processors. Theres tons of threads with info on it. I got the x5470 Xeon (QX9770 Basically) for $40 and did the mod on my EVGA 790i FTW mobo. The qx9650 equivalent is even cheaper at around $20. I spent top dollar back in the day and my investment is still running strong. EZ overclock on air @4.2ghz. 8 Yr old system still running most games @ max settings @1080p with my gtx 770.
the very last chip before it all went to shit
I remember how boring the CPU space was before the resurgence of AMD.
Why wont Intel just get rid of the integrated GPU, and use that die space to add 4 additional cores for their mainstream chips? Someone buying a 7700k is likely not planning on using the integrated GPU.
Random Ryan this man is correct
For Quicksync
Razor2048 if you GPU dies for some reason, and you can't afford a new one or don't have a replacement for the time being, have fun with your new noisy paperweight. Besides, not everyone want an i7 for gaming and don't care about high performance graphics
only if they're crazy.
as a matter of fact intel has a significantly bigger size of the GPU market than even nvidia.
not only that, you can't exactly choose how your CPU will turn out during fab. a lot of sectors have damage on the die during manufacture and to not waste the whole chip they deactivate bad sectors and sell it as an undercut chip.
if you want a full CPU die then there's the LGA 2011 chips.
And this negatively affects the consumer how?
Kaby Lake is just higher clockable Skylake
Wait, I've seen this pattern before...
its just like haswells "devil canyon"refresh
I'm still rocking haswell and I delided my cpu for cooler temps haha 4.5 ghz at just under 60C under stress tests
Almost. The only addition KabyLake has is a new media engine for hardware accelerated VP9 and HEVC decoding and some other minor stuff. That's why for now you need KabyLake to watch 4K Netflix until Nvidia and AMD enable that feature via driver update.
but u could oc it higher and lower temps because haswell was quite a fuck up with paste in side cpu
YES I DO ABSOLUTELY WANT AN OC GUIDE FROM LTT.
Sorry, a little bit enthusiastic about that.
Intel taking notes from Apple's business model
Well if it was Apple's model they would be releasing products with half the capability of the competition and suing everyone who helped make those products possible.
Pan Z wat u mean
HiatusMobs Remember the whole 64bit fiasco? Well that was tech pioneered by AMD, then Intel modified and improved it, then, sued AMD for using 64bit tech.
balduran7 but intel made x86
Englashi TV It was licenced to AMD back in the 80s, and its pretty much obsolete at this point, sure there are a few people who still use it, but, the majority of people and mostly companies have adopted the 64bit which was develpoted by AMD, and that AMD has made great advancements in technology that has moved us forward, While intel was trying to get everyone to use their technology called Itanium, which has become known as Itanic, because, AMDs technology was and is better.
thank you Intel for making everybody wait for Ryzen
Gonna be the same situation though, only worth it if your CPU is crap (AMD) or old (sandy/ivy or before). Not going to be anything worth upgrading to on high end for a while :/
wait for ryzen, still not going to be able to watch that 4K netflix on pc without kaby lake though. have to stick to smart tvs and consoles for that 4K goodness, unless you get kaby...
sharpiedyourwhat Money? Yeah, and lots of it.
I hope ryzen will have 10bit decoding for 4K streaming too
Jordan Pedeferri I don't live in a third world shithole, I'm fine.
i don't really like AMD but.. i hope Ryzen to be something to bring back the competition in CPU's market
yeah, i don't even know why people is so hyped about it, hype kills everything
***** i don't know anything about chip type so i can't say much about it haha
They showed it running Battlefront, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, and Dota 2 (while streaming).
I think the whole point of their event was to say they were going to be better for gaming.
personally... I'm unbiased and buy whats best for the price....
Brand loyalty feels so stupid to me
this is not the 7th generation cpu but generation 6.1, been modest.
i7 6701k
i7 6700.01k maybe
We made it to generation 6.4
I would rather they just remove integrated graphics from the desktop line for the unlocked and high performance variants (maybe even a few on the laptop side for laptops using nvidia or amd graphics) so they can use that space for more features (maybe a 6 core i7 for laptops?) just a thought
There is some rare use cases so they leave it there, if you dont have money now for an entire system you can buy almost everything now and let a graphics card for later, if your graphics card dies your pc can still work until you get another, etc. Those may be very edge cases but they exist.
Why so agressive? Did Intel stole your wallet or something? I was just trying to give the reasons why the integrated graphics are still in the chips, could they do it other way? Sure! I was just looking at some use cases, no need to be so defensive.
Try Xeons if you really hate integrated graphics. But it would be a cool idea.
Broadwell-E processors range from 6-10 cores and eliminate the integrated graphics. The upcoming Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X will likely follow the same trend. So, no... you don't need to get a Xeon.
AMD catches up to Intel because of this...
ネーナ・トリニティ hopefully
I sure hope so.
:)) AMD should retire, Ryzen bulshit is just i7 6800k (an entire year ahead of AMD) and Intel still has i7 6900k which is way better.
On the road that AMD heads to ... Intel comes back already tired.
AMD is nearly dead, no good processors, no good video cards ... this is the end of AMD in maximum 2 years.
IBM will lead the future competing with Intel.
XRaYdeR
If that is true then prepare for even more price increases from Intel with even less IPC gains.
Skylake desktop is the same performance wise compared to Kaby Lake so if AMD can release a Skylake performing chip for less money they'll be onto a winner.
Also if AMD retire then the government will have to step in as there would be a monopoly.
How would IBM compete with Intel?
They have no consumer level processors or platforms on the market. Are you suggesting they start from scratch or bring out/develop their legacy products?
First of all a pleasure to speak with you, because you are a functional human being and you ask questions and have arguments.
IBM is researching 7nm technology to build processors in the future, that could make them a valid competitor.
I don't think that the government will apply that in all countries.
DRM built into the CPU? That's it, we lost... goodbye masterPCrace, we lost to the consoles.
TechyBen Just dont support that shit and it will stop soon.
Fresh Dumbledore Don't support it? How can't you if upgrade elitists will buy this shit in a heartbeat. Everyone needs to bitch at Intel or stop buying Intel all together.
PC elitists make up less then 1% of the whole PC market. If they are willing to cater to less than 1% of the whole marketplace, they are the one loosing money.
Not if PC elitists are willing to spend 10x more than the average consumer.
DRM is baked into the consoles as well just at an firmware & OS level.
back in the day when people though Ryzen would be a flop lul
Back in the day? Commented 3 years ago? _Found the time traveller_
@@joicore lol
You thought this was a new Chipset,
But it was me! Skylake!
5-7% upgrade......not worth the money. Thanks.
its worth for new buyers
Aaponton doubt it
5-7% if you have a 6700k. And if you have a 6700k and were seriously considering buying the 7700k, i doubt your knowledge on the CPU market.
If that even...
does not worth the upgrade even from i7 2600k (if overclocked) at least 1080p gaming wise...
So clock for clock its basically the same as the 6700k?
Paul Venn It's just an overclocked 6700k with 4k Netflix, yes.
+qwertyuiopzxcfgh
4k netflix HARDWARE decode, to be more precise, which i bet people will find a way to circumvent the DRM with software decode anyway.
Well, it seemed odd but the 4.6GHz 6700K was actually right in the middle of the 4.5 and the 4.9GHz 7700K. It actually seemed like Kaby Lake has slightly *worse* IPC, but overclocks easier.
you might say tick for tock, they are just about the same ;P
clock for clock singlethread is the same since 2700k
A glimpse in to a time when Intel's last complacent CPU was new
New
I especially like the new feature of the 7700K which makes it unable to run windows 7. I'd rather buy a 6700k now then a 7700k
I agree 100%. I will never spend my money on something I despise which is Win10. Intel grabbing its ankles for M$ is frightening. If this is the future for Intel then im all about that AMD.
MaddoxInc Ryzen is able to run Windows 7 but won't receive security updates from Microsoft. It's actually Microsoft which is blocking support not Intel or AMD
As someone who has win7 home premium and the 7700k, what?
uhh no windows 7 works for me on my 7700k
as someone who is currently running a 7700k on a copy of windows 7 that was originally from an acer machine that used a 4460 when I bought it, AND I never updated windows (windows update service is disabled and has been since purchase), this is without a doubt in my mind a lie. I installed the new motherboard and CPU and it worked immediately, installed the chipset drivers and they worked immediately, there wasn't a single problem. I have no idea where you got this information but it looks like you didn't do any kind of fact checking at all.
"4.20GHz" loool I bet Ryzen is 6.90GHz
Colezz Ryzen will be 8.40 GHz for double the dank
***** The 480 costs SIGNIFICANTLY less.
+Sans have had both and currently use the 480 performance was like 15-20 fps difference in most games and sometimes was 30+ in directx 12 games. In short 480 is slightly better (superclocked)
You know flashing a custom vBIOS and getting absolute control over the GPU, you can actually overclock it to get the same performance as a GTX 980 ti or better! I saw a post of an overclocked RX 480 achieving the same performance as a GTX 1070. This is most likely true. I flashed my GTX 965m and I was able to overclock it to 1302 MHz basically turning it into a GTX 970m. Other's reported getting their's over 1400 MHz!
thehumanslayer12 link?
i'd rather just stick with my i5-2500k for now
would love to own a i5-2500k my self still an awesome cpu, I'm using a x3220 intel kentsfield oc to 3.4 ghz aright for my needs but that i5 :3
I just wanna overclock the x3450
I'm selling my i5 2500k cpu for $80. But I live in New York.
Lol I'm running the same chip still along with 2 GTX 560 Ti 448s.
Waiting for Ryzen and Vega! Hopefully we'll end the stagnation.
philipx550 Yes it is lmao
Who is still using this in 2022/23?
Looking back at the 7700K CPU after 5 years, it simply couldn't be worse.
In actual games, it defeated 1600 and 1700, along with Ryzen's next gen 2600; only the 2700 could slightly outframe it. I'm still using my 7700K to this day...; no complaints!
@@mdd1963 kidding? it is horrible. u probably dont use 360hz monitor for high FPS games
yes, I mean who *doesn't* have a 360 Hz refresh rate monitor today, right?@@canberrano1widowmaker
It's not even worth upgrading from a Intel 4th Gen CPU...
Pieter Rossouw Not even worth to upgrade from a Sandu Bridge i5 or i7
2700k here and only a few games actually push my CPU, the total war series and certain online games like GTAV do tho, i know id get some better frames in both games if i upgraded but im willing to try to squeeze a bit more life out of this chip before it gets delegated to a media PC or a server or something.
Overclocking. I get mine stable @ 5 Ghz, you can easily wait till Ryzen.
Evan Martin Overclock, i have an i7-2600K @4.4GHz and i's running everything in ultra @1080p 60fps with a GTX980
Also on an older i7 here with absolutely no incentive to upgrade xD
0:08 "4.20 GHZ" That is SnoopDogg CPU
**EDIT** everyone is focused about The Intel and Everything i just saw 4.20 in 0:08 i said oh sh!t waddup
ayy smoke wied evryday
Mace CS:GO 420 BLAZE IT M8
DUDE WEED LMAO
You mean Snoop Dogg's clock?
I get it
Would love to see a complete overclocking guide, new to the whole process and looking to use it in the future! Would be very helpful.
A full OC guide including manual tuning would be nice.
so basically if you have a 4790k or a 6700k don't even waste your money or time yet. wait for AMD to see what they do to push Intel to release something serious. im glad I went x99 anyway seems at least that's a lot more serious overall build anyway. planning to upgrade to the 6950x or 6900k soon.
Henry Charlotten don't just wait for newer CPUs you shouldn't need anything for a minimum of two years I bet with a x99 platform CPU
I have a 5930K I dont need the upgrade but I wanted a 8-10 core CPU just for longevity wise. Probably waiting for Volta GPU to drop as well so I can get one. More PCI lanes as well on X99.
It'll be a while before we see another jump in CPU technology. We've simply hit the limit.. We're gonna need a big breakthrough of some kind to go further
You don't know that maybe AMD knows a way. Just like Intel thought high clock speeds matter or AMD more cores.
If you've done any amount of research you'll see that the improvements will be small at best. You can always add more cores and make the processor bigger but with that comes loss of efficiency. In terms of gaming I can see maybe games eventually expanding to using 6 cores (and maybe more), although I don't know for sure if that's the best plan. I hope AMD brings something interesting with Ryzen but like many i'm very doubtful.
Now what I think AMD will bring is affordability at very similar performance points to recent Intel CPU's. This is what i'm looking forward to. Affordability making powerful CPU's more accessible to everyone. That's what AMD was known for and hope they deliver.
Ryzen can't get here sooner.
I agree, but everything so far is telling us that Ryzen will be all about hyper threaded performance. And the world is going to be dominated by single threaded perfrmance for a while yet. Still, it only needs to hit 4790k single core performance to be completely viable for those who dont mind losing platform specific benefits of the 270.
but lot of leaks say ryzen is 40% faster per core compared to old ones and they release 8 core ht cpu
8 cores 16 threads are useless for most things so 4 core i5 will still be best for most people
I think that if this is the best thing intel can do for a successor to the 6700k, im incredibly disappointed, i hope that AMD will focus on single threaded performance as well as their previous focus on multi cores, as it would put AMD back in the market and really put intel in their place. And remember, everyone loves an underdog.
No chance in hell of 7700k having a 12% performance boost in anything, compared to 6700k. In any workload. The difference between 6700k and 7700k at the same clocks is 0. Absolute zilch. Every single benchmark has shown it. LTT benchmarks are pretty weak and dont really say much. Gamersnexus ones are much better, but even pre-release the benchmarks were saying the same thing. Very few workloads actually keep the CPU fully engaged. Pretty much only things which require FPU and can mostly use the cache without waiting too much for ram transfers. So unless you have one of those workloads, the difference between 4790K and 7700K is about 10-15%, at the same clocks.
Yeah... and when you normalise for the different clock speeds, they show no difference. Paul used stock 4.5 vs 4.2 IIRC.
I'm a big Intel fan and I have a 7700k, but I'm happy AMD is coming out with a new CPU. Competition is the best thing for the consumer!
+1 on the overclock guide! definitely would like to see an OC guide from you guys, would be useful when my system is older and needs extra juice
Ryzen Killer? Hahahahahahahaha. You mean Ryzen will kill 7700k? xD
Negnav123 no
Negnav123 yes rysen will put intel to shame
Victor Maziarka still no
Ryzen won't kill anything, but Ryzen will be a competent competitor for Kaby lake.
If you could take off your fanboy blinders for a sec, you'd realise you having nothing to base that on.
Leaked benchmarks say they have a competitive cpu yes. That's not "putting intel to shame". I think we'd all like that they did but it does not seem likely.
Still the pricing is going to make a big difference. If AMD can really offer competitive CPUs at notably lower price points we could be in for some good times in the CPU market finally.
Are you saying that, even if I have a GTX1080(which is capable of pushing out 4K), I can't watch 4K content from Netflix if I don't have a Kabylake CPU? WTF.. Do I have to use the Kabylake IGP instead of using my GTX1080 that simply laughs at it? (Disgusted).
Look at it this way: 4K isn't gonna make you lose any sleep.
most of it is going to be upscaled anyways
That DRM is only available on Edge browser anyways, that's why they say Edge browser as a requirement in the slide.
StarFury777 Yess what hapened to gpu aceleration in videos????? O wait they want us to have win 10 and a old cpu sold as brand new ok........ -__-
nVidia SDK8 should basically include what's necessary to run 4K Netflix. That and the Edge Browser. But wait, are they going to have some 'hook' to check if you also have a KabyLake CPU or not? Umm
I just realized that my 4770k will be 4 years old in Feb and it's still perfectly fine. I upgraded the VGA to a 1080 last year and I still play all AAA titles on max settings with stable 60fps (hope one day we can get PROPER working 144hz IPS displays....)
Maybe Intel felt bad for AMD and pulled a mulligan to give them an "Achievement Award" ;p
This is what happens when AMD allows this monopoly.
2kOmniKing they didn't allow anything, intel and amd just have very different budgets for these kinds of things. comparing these two is like comparing a slice of bread to a whole loaf... kind of a crappy example, but i hope you got it.
Why do you say AMD allowed this? You think companies want to lose money?
2kOmniKing I wouldn't say AMD allowed this. A CEO (whichever one it was) had decided they should focus on APU rather than stand alone CPU. The result was what u see now. They then decided they would make their CPUs the budget option which pretty much took them out of the highend space all together after all R&D is expensive. Atleast that's how see it.
2kOmniKing I don't AMD allowed this in the first place...
They went down the route pf "More cores= better" and failed miserably
If you show CPU gaming benchmarks, DON'T BOTTLENECK GPU WITH SOME 4K AND SHIT.
WTF LTT.
6St6Jimmy6 its called a gaming benchmark because retards think that in games the cpu will matter (when not in a situation where the cpu isnt enough beforehand). yes a celeron will bottleneck in gta5 but gta5 requires more power than that (around 600 in conebench r15).
inless im mistaken and youre the 1 person in the world that wants a game to be cpu limited and have your gpu sitting there at 60% load. play games on 1024x768 on a gtx989 why not youll get great framerates.
Even an AMD FX-8350 overclocked to 4.9 GHz will bottleneck a GTX 1070's performance. In games that are actually bottlenecked by the CPU, such as RTS games, sims, Dorflikes such as Dwarf Fortress, or really anything that has sufficiently complicated game logic or AI instead of just really pretty graphics, you do benefit from a good CPU. Deus Ex is not such a game - the ARMA series, multiplayer games with lots of simultaneous players making complicated animations and movements in realtime, those would be good benchmarks.
Helmic have you even touched a gtx1070? i benchmarked sli1070's at launch in a 8320rig (gf's) and a 5820k rig (clients) and they both performed great but dont be mistaken into thinking a 5820k gets any more performance in sims than the amd system did.
yesterday i had to sort the clients pc out becuase his gpus werent being fully used....he was running gta5 on ultra with 4xmsaa on 1440p on the 5820k system and still only at 40% usage, I had to use 1.75x DSR to get full load on them and run them at 2520x4480 or something like that and still averaged over 100fps. he will be going to 4k (surround but only gaming on the center monitor) when he moves into his new place.
graphical scenes are limited by gpu, non graphical scenes done care what cpu you have, badly made games (or simple ones) dont care what hardware you have at all.
I... what? Do you play any sim games? Any games with sufficiently complicated animations with large servers that need to be constantly updated, such as the ARMA series? The FX-8350, even when overclocked, doesn't compare to most recent Intel i5's, even in games like Overwatch it'll bottleneck performance to around 150 FPS with an FX-8350, it'll bottleneck GPU benchmarks because that thing is ancient and AMD CPU's are notoriously far behind Intel CPU's, especially with modern games which will often make use of CPU's. Add to this that not all "graphical" effects are actually handled by the GPU (such as animations) and it makes sense that you do actually need a CPU that can keep up with your GPU.
I mean, no shit the 5820k wasn't the bottleneck, it's a $400 CPU, it's more expensive than a GTX 1070. It's ridiculously overkill. Turning up graphical settings won't stress the CPU much unless you're using the integrated graphics, few games will let you reduce animations or physics or AI pathing. What stresses the CPU is stuff like number of players in game, physics calculations not handled by the proprietary PhysX, AI units, every-fucking-thing in Dwarf Fortress, system simulations. If you're playing a game like Stonehearth, Maia, Prison Architect modded, even Minecraft, these games can have complicated interconnected systems and your CPU is the bottleneck on how much you're allowed to do in these games.
The actual advice here is that most modern Intel CPU's have had incremental at best improvements ever since Sandy Bridge and that if you already have an i5 from a previous build then you're very unlikely to gain any noticable improvements from buying a new motherboard, new RAM, and a new i7. For most modern games, if you're buying a GTX 1070 you're going to need some semi-recentish i5 to go along with it to prevent bottlenecking.
OP's criticism is that the benchmarks aren't even games that are known to stress the CPU; no shit your CPU makes no difference in a game that's largely indoors with limited AI, Mankind Divided can run on a toaster (and that's good). In Overwatch, it would matter for high refresh displays (though an i7 with hyperthreading is still going to be overkill for that), for "milsim-lite" games it would make them playable, in Dwarf Fortress you could have a massive map with complicated pathing without worrying about FPS death. The distinction needs to be made in order for the benchmarks to be useful and to give viewers an idea of whether they actually do want a powerful CPU; these are niche genres and if you're not going to be playing Overwatch on a 220 Hz monitor or doing incredibly silly shit in Factorio or doing any of this while simultaneously streaming in decent quality then you don't need a high-end CPU.
For a GTX 1070, however, I would not recommend an AMD CPU even overclocked, not until Zen comes out and hopefully performs well enough to be an appropriate choice to complement enthusiast GPUs. For less powerful GPU's, an FX-8350 is an affordable alternative that you'll still need to seriously reconsider as the socket won't be support any future upgrades and you'll have to buy a new motherboard, new RAM, and a new CPU when it comes time to upgrade your GPU. Considering how close we are to Zen being released and AMD likely having a budget-priced CPU soon, I would hold off for a couple months before making any purchases if you want to go AMD. AMD does have the very nice benefit of not changing sockets constantly so if you do go with Zen it's likely that by the time you upgrade the CPU you can continue using your old motherboard. Intel CPU prices will also likely drop shortly after Zen's release assuming AMD put up something worthwhile.
yes I want the full OC guide, including manual tuning in the future. very near future please.
My now old 4790k did get 4.9 oc stable. I had about the same cinebench etc scores and why bother with 4k when 8k monitors are already out. A good and honest review as always. Thank you :)
if you have a 6700k or even a fucking 4790k/4770k you dont need this useless 7700k with bullshit drm that makes 0 sense
Fzmh Not obvious for many
Random Ryan wow really? my 4790k@4.6 barely breaks 900 in cinebench, must be my shitty ram ;____;
Yeah, unless it had more cores and cache, it'd make no difference with anything above 2nd gen i7s.
And this is why if you want to upgrade today, you either go Broadwell or wait for AMD's Ryzen.
Will there be more vlogs? I really like the ones u guys did before.
probably
Please share overclock guide, i would love to see how you determine what is safe and what not with these new kaby lake chips. Thx Luke for great vid
Typical intel improvements. Zen for the win.
amd is red,
intel is blue,
stale tech gives me depression,
ill probably end my life soon...
LitGeekSquad Official I know that feel * *tears* *
Fzmh yea, you're right, we don't need competition or innovation. amd and intel should sell their assets and make a cooking channel or something...
ButterChully lel I feel you. no matter what team anyone is on, amd being competitive is good for all of us.
LitGeekSquad Official red blue = sonic and supermario 😂
I'm still rocking a 1. Gen i5
I'll upgrade to Icelake or Zen+
relax still rocking a q6600 xDD
I also had the Q6600 (prior to the i5). Gave it to my brother and he's using it to this day as well
The q6600 is lit af
+Patrick Star that was a pretty good processor.
The q6600 is a legend
LinusTechTips I would love a OC overview and guide with all these new Ryzen chips and for everyone who is getting into Overclocking. Thanks for your knowledge team.
I would greatly appreciate the mentioned full OC guide, please do that video!!!!!
The thumbnails are absolutely... u fill the rest in.
Black people
1:38 Whoever is on camera is a pro. They moved the camera based on where the guy was facing. Watch it again to see if you notice. 1 thumbs up for the camera person.
I'm using a Ryzen 1700, 32GB RAM, in a low profile case and it still runs only 30c idle. Good luck getting that with intel.
LTT a integrated graphics test would be beneficial as well due to fact some of us want to see if there is any improvement in this area too...
So. I'm staying on my 3770K for sure.
Same here runs at 4.2 all day
I bought mine just before Haswell for a real deal breaker, I remember people calling my out because of that lol
i did the same :)
i get a rock solid 4.5mhz out of mine but i don't bother anymore,no point when it don't struggle @ stock.
Why is there so much news about kaby lake.... It's really not that interesting. How long does it take to say. "It's skylake, but can clock a bit higher"
OC guide would be cool. Thank you for the content you produce.
Kaby Lake is to Skylake like the FX 9590 was to the FX 8350. Its pretty much a factory overclocked chip made with a very slightly refined process.
why doesn't intel remove the igpu?
because some people dont want an external gpu
well if u spend this much money on a cpu u may as well get a dedicated gpu
None of the core i7 Extreme Editions (x99) have iGPU.
They actually do.. they remove the iGPU for the Xeon equivalent processors. Not sure why they leave them for the i7 series. Its nice when you have to troubleshoot your video card but thats about it.
GamingGuru becouse whoooo caaares
This is like when car makers use the same car design for 4-6 years with minor facelifts. And the new DRM is like when we were forced to use Traction Control
Since you mention @4:08 that the motherboard has reinforced PCI express slots for heavy GPU's. Could you do a video on comparing some of those heavy GPU's if you can.
Love how Linus showed up in the end for the sponser
If I'm interpenetrating things correctly, Ryzen will be within 7-13% better or worse than Kaby Lake overall, not factoring in cost though. With that said I don't care if a Ryzen 4/8 performs 15% worse than a 7700k, so long as it's under $200.00 USD I'm sold!
Remember when they were saying Devil's Canyon would OC to 5 GHz?
People have been able to OC cpus to 5+Ghz......
It depends on the quality of the chip. If you get a good chip, you'll be able to go over 5Ghz.
Sahil Zubair intel has said broadwell and skylake and kabylake would do 5ghz on air.
pretty sure it will if the heatspreader doesnt melt first.
I've seen air cooled 5Ghz Ivybridge, Broadwell and Skylake CPUs before.
Unlike AMD, Intels CPUs dont double as radiators.
Its possible, but it cant be done with stock coolers, as the stock coolers are designed for the stock clocks.
I would love going in overclocking guides (do it for all chips!)
Hi, past LTT. After three years it is safe to say that we have a conclusion regarding the facts stated @6:45 onward. Kaby lake wasn't a product associated with the challenges of building faster chips at "current technology". It was 100% product of complacent Intel. You are welcome, past LTT.
I'm eating cake
I'm watching NVIDIA. And 1080ti isn't showed yet!!!! :(
:I I eating va va va va vagina
can i have some
I see there are quiet a bit of prepubescent kids on here
:I DillonFPS blackserb Negnav123 definitely see some
I probably wouldn't run games at 4K for comparing processors. Also no AMD processors included for comparison, I was hoping for that when I read the title.
PhilsComputerLab amd processors dont even come near the latest i5. Let alone an i7
junilog Even at their 4K test?
PhilsComputerLab are you talking about zen? well it isnt out yet, you cant rely on benchmarks before release. But i hope the benchmarks are true, if not, better. Really tired of using intel's shitty stock cooler (amd's stock cooler is WAY better) and intel has no big improvements for the last 5 years
+junilog Even though AMD's Bulldozer was a flop, and even today they are not worth buying for gaming, they do come very cheap and their weak but massive core count helps on CPU dependant programs, edging out with a i5 for way less money.
Look here buddy, first of relax.
Secondly: A i3-6300 gains 20fps more in GTA V (34vs54 source: DigitalFoundry) price difference? 15 bucks at worst. There is no point in picking up an AMD processor for gaming these days, it's old and obsolete and not worth the money for a brand new one.
Even on Reddit/AMD/ people will recommend an Intel CPU atm or say '' Wait for Zen '', so how about you stop eating more than you can chew, stick that finger out of your arse and face the truth.
Please do in depth overclocking guides. But not for the 7700K but also for older CPUs, please. I have an i7 4790K OCd to 4.7GHz at 1.300V but I'm not sure if I got the maximum performance out of it. The cooler is a NZXT Kraken X61 btw ... My Cinebench R15 score is 950 ...
Hey Guys! Just wanted to say I have been LOVING the channel. Absolutely AMAZING job with everything incl. CES and all of your categories.
Heh, Im waiting for Ryzen. Im still rocking a Intel i7 4770k (4.2GHz Super Clocked) for a couple of years now, Ryzen would be a sensible upgrade for me and probably for other Haswell or below owners aswell.
Yup, I've had my i5 3570k (1st gen Ivy Bridge) for nearly five years, it's a choice chip too - can OC to 4.9ghz on air, 83c stable. I haven't needed an upgrade since.
I'm looking to Ryzen as my next upgrade aswell.
Your chip is still killer. I have a FX-6300.
No way I'm upgrading my i7-3770 until I can buy an 6c/12t or a 8c/16t. Looks like Intel isn't willing to play ball.
Using 4K for CPU gaming benchmarks with a gtx 1080 is pointless, should be using 1080p or less, it's high frame rates gaming where the differences show.
Theo's Thoughts 4K gaming is more important to me, it's where the future is headed
Theo's Thoughts wants their games to not use thier graphics card? just because you lower settings doesnt mean a game becomes cpu limited either yiu can be api or game engine limited way before that. i dont care if you have a 7ghz 6700k youre not getting 200fps in world of tanks for instance. this low resolution bullshit testing of cpus came from when we would play quake3 at 300fps on a CRT monitor (im 28 but even i was testing back then circa 1999) and multicore simply didnt exist so you would look at your cpu usage and notice it went up as the graphics wasnt used as much.
but lower res gaming today DOES NOT show cpu performance. you can get a 5ghz pentium dual core g3258 and it will cream a stock 6950x in a game like world of tanks or borderlands or whatever if the gpu limit is temoved. it doesnt make it a more powerful chip it just shows that in a situation IF the single core performance becomes the limit that its higher performing. but thats what conebench and cpu benchmarks are for.
the intelligence of the world today is plummeting i think darwins given up taking names.
+Toms Tech
OP's comment still stands though, although some of what you say is true, it still doesn't make sense to do a cpu benchmark where the GPU is the bottleneck.
Sure something like the API or game engine could become the bottleneck after that, but it's better to let that happen and see the results than to get results that just show a GPU bottleneck. Of course using a synthetic benchmark would allow you to get around problems related to the game and would be helpful for comparisons, but people also want to see what kind of FPS a CPU will get in a game when the GPU is not the bottleneck and unfortunately people too often use a resolution that is too high for the GPU to handle without bottlenecking when the CPU is supposed to be the part being tested, not the GPU.
he's comparing the cpu's so graphic cards isn't supposed to matter.
Mydogbuddy007 "unfortunately people too often use a resolution that is too high for the GPU to handle" on the contrary, most poepl overspend on a gpu thats why so many people run 970's and r9 290s etc for 1080p.
"people also want to see what kind of FPS a CPU will get in a game when the GPU is not the bottleneck"
running a test involving the gpu but not using it doesnt indicate anything about a cpu, thats like doing a drag race of lambo vs ferrrari with a full boot and full petrol tank "that'll tell you which is the most powerful" completely ignoring the effects it will have on traction suspension setup not to mention differences into boot space and tank volume.
i had to sort out a clients pc yesterday because he wasnt getting the performance out of his sli 1070's that he wanted, hes running gta5 at 1080p (ultra but still) and sad hes not getting 200fps and the game maxes out around 100-140fps no matter what you do with a 4.2ghz 5820k (low speed but prime 95 stable for 48 hours with minimal effort), and his gpu's were sat there at 40% usage.
is that therefore a good cpu test? is the game going to perform better if he buys a 5ghz 6700k or 4.2 ghz 6950x? nope. its a game limit and its true for pretty much any game, battlefield typically has a 200fps cap and tombraider 2013 you can get 500fps on :P
but testing games on low resolutions in a hopes to test cpu performance is stupid and so is anyone who does it anymore it was useful back when was had winXP and everything was single core and CRT and we had quake 3 arena at 300fps but meaningless today, unfortunately now retards are going to believe its useful now that LMG is propogating it much like how IPC (on its own regardless of instruction sets and clock speeds) was propogated as being meaningful in some way.
I'd like to see that oc guide just to see if there was mch hassle compared to older chips
Overclock guide would be cool. I see others getting 5+ GHZ sometimes. Someone got really really high with liquid nitrogen cooling I believe. Thanks for making great content!
Title should be reversed - Ryzen will be kabylale killer.
Jays two cents got this fucker up to 5GHz with little effort(watercooled)
Luke overclocked with automatic software, which is generally a little low, luke could probably bump it from 4.9 to 5 ghz no problem
u can get it to 5.2ghz easily if 1.4x volts isnt too much
MARIN Koza Zen got up to 5 Ghz on air cooling during testing.
Stephen Hawking On 1 core....
Stephen Hawking 7700k got to 7 ghz on liquid nitrogen cooling
an indept overclocking video with finetuning would be a nice thing.
I upgraded to the 7700k from a Pentium G3258. I have my 7700k OC'd to 5.1 GHZ using AI Suite. After watching this video, I would agree if you were using the previous gen, then upgrading to the 7700k wouldn't be worth it.
+1 for oc guide
Anyone else watching this during quarantine on an i7-7700K?
I would most definitely like a 'Kaby Lake Overclocking guide' video, perhaps featuring the 7600K and the 7700K.
I would really like a that oc video you hinted at!
Wow a little late. All the tests and benchmarks show a 1 fps average for gamers ad 5-8% in multicore over skylake. Now when overclocking it comes to a 3fps and 10% multicore for a whopping 50 to 100 dollars difference. I 'l stick with skylake and wait to see how ryzen is.
The lack of performance improvement is the echo of Moore's law crashing.
Well it is declining, its also because intel has been city on their asses. Ryzen over 3 years have pulled ahead of Intel's best 10900k
I'm looking to build a new pc for top end gaming, video editing for youtube and game streaming. Should I jump on board with the kabylake z270 set, or go with the x99 6800-6900 series?
Is obtaining an higher frequency rate maintaining the same TDP an improvement made by Kaby Lake ?
Another thing is that prices for Kaby Lake are lower that the ones for Skylake... For example, here in Italy, on Amazon, seems that the price of skylake (both "normal" and K) and Kaby Lake (again, both "normal" and k) is the same.
But if the Kaby Lake 7700 (not k) is compared to Ryzen 7, we see that there is no big difference in terms of prices and benchmark...and Ryzen seems to be a little more power efficient while Kaby Lake have more motherboards to choose on. So, it becomes really difficult to choose between them.
There are no improvements, just say it! It's an overclocked Skylake. This was a garbage release. I'm keeping my 6700k then going Zen+ in 2020. F*ck Intel, this is insulting for all of us.
Don't forget that it'll force you into Win10 if you want to see those minimal "upgrades" too. This is Intel bending over and grabbing its ankles for M$. I hate where this is headed, the area of Intel is over if this is the future.
Yup I agree
Joseph Petro Zen + seems really attractive. CCX will be more widely optimized for by then, and AMD's clocks will be up there with Intel. Zen+ is 15% IPC gain over Zen, and will clock higher.
since when overclocking decreases power draw and temperatures? also, what's so terrible about having no need to upgrade your processor every year? no imporvements in processors will cause game\program developers to make less processor'demanding games, so again - what's so bad in you not having to spend money every year? I have a sandy bridge processor and I'm HAPPY that my processor isn't that much slower than the newest ones.
Oh my gosh, Zen+, that's cute. God this is dated. AMD's leaving that shit in the dust. Their only competition is their own shit. Zen 3 is on schedule for 2020. Hope you like CORES.
When does it actually release for purchase on amazon? I kind of want to return the i7-6700k I just got because I was entirely unaware that this was just about to unveil.
Trenavix duuude they are the same cpu ....
I've got a mini ITX build that can't overclock and I want that extra little frequency for emulation. It goes a long way for a few hundred megahertz
Trenavix if you can't overclock don't even get the k version. That's a waste of money
Christian Slone the K version got higher base clock though, do you even listen to him? He wants higher base clock, thats it.
Better return it and wait for zen.
PLEASE I would love a full overclocking guide!!! I could tune both my new build and my gfs!
i'm gonna buy this bad boy for new gaming rig, not planning to oc but what cooling should i put on it? or is stock ok?
Ryzen Killer ? With THAT price ? LOL
Now equivalent to an i3.
What are the temperatures mentioned? Temp of the hottest core or temp of the heat spreader?
7th Gen Intel CPUs are just now released, and here I am still running a 4th gen mid range i3. I really need updating I am so many generations behind.