These are, of course, unrehearsed videos. I really messed up on this one. When I said we found this old piece of aluminum in our shop when we moved in, and that we used it to make a hood for our downdraft table, I should have also commented, "After all, who would use aluminum to build an aircraft?"...
@@garysmrtic4077 I lOVE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING. I have thought for a very long time that composite aircraft are the way forward for GA. Can you tell me what the structural differences are between the Arion LSA airframe and the Arion experimental version?
I really like the recent series of videos. There are a lot of airplane production related topics in these new video that aren't covered in other channels
While I've done some fairly extensive fiberglass work on boats, I've never vacuum-bagged any of my work. Sure would have been helpful when trying to strengthen engine mounts and drive shaft through-hull fitting areas, as those were the places I normally found defects and cracking. Always a pleasure watchig an artisan at work - my favorite way to learn.
Bryan, this was really enjoyable to watch. Composites alway fascinated me once I got hooked on Mike Patey’s channel. Keep up the great interviews and I hope you visit FT Composites again in the future.
I love knowing the terminology of this video. I make shrouds for commercial jet engines made from ceramic matrix composite material which is different than carbon fiber but it’s the same idea. It’s all composites.
Rapture Aircraft will be launching their website and Facebook page before Oshkosh. As well as the 4 seat high performance aircraft, they also have a single seat speedster (already flying and proven but in the process of being kitted) that will use a Rotax 912 for a modest 170-180 knot cruise and TurbAero’s own 200hp turboprop for, well quite frankly, blistering performance.
Thanks Russell. The turbine engines and the two Rapture aircraft are extremely exciting projects that are making excellent progress. Patience is definitely a virtue that is needed in these times! However, the wait will be worth it, both for myself and for the entire experimental fraternity.
@@TurbAero I cannot wait for a turboprop range in the 150-400 hp range. The market wants it. I know you said 150-200 and I think that’s a great place to start. Are you looking for or need investors or help in anyway?
Haha! It is interesting to learn from those who are actually "doing it!" Right! Makes me think of this well known quote: “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”
@@ExperimentalAircraftChannelI love it man! Bang on, especially in this age where everyone has an opinion and in most cases they haven't earned the right to give it. I read so many negative comments on social media, and they typically come from those that haven't done anything! Keep up the great work!
That is a GREAT question. I often think of this exact situation myself. I favor metal... but composites seem to prove themselves time and time again for being extremely strong. Longevity over XYZ time period or over so many "Cycle" of stress... that is the question. It would be great to do a sideXside comparison.
@@ExperimentalAircraftChannel Having some personal experience with ASTM, I am sure that they will conduct some experiments if they haven't already started it.
There are so many variables when it comes to the lifespan of composite materials. Storage of the materials being one of the most critical as with do you keep your aircraft? Sunlight & moisture can degrade the resins causing deboning and ultimate premature failures or create voids in the laminates. Pound for pound composite will outperform metals in most application but if you can keep metals clean and prevent rust & corrosion metals will always last longer. It’s all about the care you give them. Also I noticed when Gary pulled that nose pan out of the mold he inadvertently rotated the pan when he went to put it back into the mold! Is that why you cut that segment off right when he was placing it back into the mold? Bryan I could have watched more from Gary’s tour because I spent so many years designing and building aircraft from composite material and watching Gary brought back so many memories with the challenges he faces on a daily basis. It’s a dirty field to be in to say the least because dust is a bitch to mitigate all the time. I didn’t see any EOP lines on his tooling or parts? Maybe you didn’t show them? Another in-depth episode Bryan love your channel!!
I think very generally carbon fibre out performs aluminium easily in fatigue. I believe it's something to do with the low stress the material is under (because there is high safety factors used to account for uncertainty in the materials). I heard with the black-hawk when the changed from aluminium rotors to composite ones it weng from a regular inspection cycle to the rotors lasting for the life of the airframe.
Just a observation the guy is wearing a lab coat in a home garage-shop setup trying to pitch his company as a Fortune 500 company. I picture after the filming he takes his lab coat off and the wife comes into the shop, from their house, and brings him a sandwich. I would be more impressed hearing this guys background if he was a retire aerospace engineer who spent his life working with composites for a large aerospace company and now setting up his own small business.
He literally said they work for many other companies, building parts for wind turbines, drag racers and others. There clearly is a track record with composites. He was also pretty clear that they are working with another company on that aircraft prototype. In other words, the OTHER company is the one designing the aircraft; these guys are actually building it. As for that 4-seat experimental aircraft, it looks awfully similar to the 1990s White Lightning WLAC-1 superfast kit plane. This is a specialised company building composite parts. They take the engineering design and devise the process to build composite parts. Aerospace engineering experience would be irrelevant.
Gary I have a message with a serious tone........... Please forgive my bluntness, I may also be out of place, sorry in advance...... I find you a brilliant talented well spoken articulate handsome man......... You would make a good bad guy in the Batman movie, just saying.... Gary your sugar levels too high, if you don't understand my comment, visit your Doctor... Personally I like to keep men like you around for a long time, because you build what we dream about every night....... Gary take this as a serious warning and feel free to call me any bad name you want.....
Wow, what a character, thank you for doing a superb show once again for us!
You are very welcome... We appreciate your support here!
These are, of course, unrehearsed videos. I really messed up on this one. When I said we found this old piece of aluminum in our shop when we moved in, and that we used it to make a hood for our downdraft table, I should have also commented, "After all, who would use aluminum to build an aircraft?"...
@@garysmrtic4077 I lOVE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING. I have thought for a very long time that composite aircraft are the way forward for GA. Can you tell me what the structural differences are between the Arion LSA airframe and the Arion experimental version?
OMG brother Brian-- all your recent content has been of very focused interest to this shiny-headed aviator! I was impressed before, but Now!!!
:-) #shinyheadedaviator haha! Well said. And THANK YOU!
Thanks Brian, you are coming into your own! So much fun to watch!
Thought I was watching a Mike Patey video.
Thanks for the fantastic video! Great to see and hear about the technical details of composite structures manufacturing.
I really like the recent series of videos. There are a lot of airplane production related topics in these new video that aren't covered in other channels
Thank You... We like ALL THE DETAILS and it is a true interest here. I hope that shows through.
I don't know a lot about composites. Thanks for the education!!!
While I've done some fairly extensive fiberglass work on boats, I've never vacuum-bagged any of my work. Sure would have been helpful when trying to strengthen engine mounts and drive shaft through-hull fitting areas, as those were the places I normally found defects and cracking. Always a pleasure watchig an artisan at work - my favorite way to learn.
Bryan, this was really enjoyable to watch. Composites alway fascinated me once I got hooked on Mike Patey’s channel. Keep up the great interviews and I hope you visit FT Composites again in the future.
Thank you ! Much appreciated information.
Excellent content Brian, your tours are great
Thanks Brian! This is very cool to see.
You are very welcome! Thanks for stopping by to say hello and taking the time to watch today!
Thanks for the excellent presentation of what dreams are made of. Wish EC much success and your sponsors. F10 is awesome. 👍✌️
Good video and thanks for the content
Great episode
Thank You Aero G!
I love knowing the terminology of this video. I make shrouds for commercial jet engines made from ceramic matrix composite material which is different than carbon fiber but it’s the same idea. It’s all composites.
Very good content!
Thank You for your feedback and chiming in today! :-)
Is there a link for the company in Australia they are working with? Rapture Aicraft?
Rapture Aircraft will be launching their website and Facebook page before Oshkosh. As well as the 4 seat high performance aircraft, they also have a single seat speedster (already flying and proven but in the process of being kitted) that will use a Rotax 912 for a modest 170-180 knot cruise and TurbAero’s own 200hp turboprop for, well quite frankly, blistering performance.
@@TurbAero that sounds very cool, good luck with the project and may it be wildly successful.
Thanks Russell. The turbine engines and the two Rapture aircraft are extremely exciting projects that are making excellent progress. Patience is definitely a virtue that is needed in these times! However, the wait will be worth it, both for myself and for the entire experimental fraternity.
@@TurbAero I cannot wait for a turboprop range in the 150-400 hp range. The market wants it.
I know you said 150-200 and I think that’s a great place to start.
Are you looking for or need investors or help in anyway?
@@ashsmitty2244 Please email me: admin at turb dot aero and I’d be happy to contact you to discuss.
1:30 windshield alope and aft fuselage looks exactly like a WLC-1
Which was a very fast airplane. It had Aft facing rear passenger seats.
I wish I was young. I would be asking this guy for a job.
Link to rapture aircraft? I can't find one.
Man I love hearing guys talk about sh!t they know a lot about!
Haha! It is interesting to learn from those who are actually "doing it!" Right! Makes me think of this well known quote:
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”
@@ExperimentalAircraftChannelI love it man! Bang on, especially in this age where everyone has an opinion and in most cases they haven't earned the right to give it. I read so many negative comments on social media, and they typically come from those that haven't done anything! Keep up the great work!
cool
Is Airbus going to be making a composite plane
i am not googling the name of that plane on my work computer, did i hear it right, "white" lightning...?
👍👍👍
As far as I'm concerned, you can't provide too much detail when it comes to showing the construction of composite aircraft components
Where can I see fatigue comparisons with metal? Carbon fiber sounds promising, but I wonder how long the life of a wing spar will be.
That is a GREAT question. I often think of this exact situation myself. I favor metal... but composites seem to prove themselves time and time again for being extremely strong. Longevity over XYZ time period or over so many "Cycle" of stress... that is the question. It would be great to do a sideXside comparison.
@@ExperimentalAircraftChannel I think so too. Nothing could ruin your day more than a spar snapping and losing a wing in flight.
@@ExperimentalAircraftChannel Having some personal experience with ASTM, I am sure that they will conduct some experiments if they haven't already started it.
There are so many variables when it comes to the lifespan of composite materials. Storage of the materials being one of the most critical as with do you keep your aircraft? Sunlight & moisture can degrade the resins causing deboning and ultimate premature failures or create voids in the laminates. Pound for pound composite will outperform metals in most application but if you can keep metals clean and prevent rust & corrosion metals will always last longer. It’s all about the care you give them. Also I noticed when Gary pulled that nose pan out of the mold he inadvertently rotated the pan when he went to put it back into the mold! Is that why you cut that segment off right when he was placing it back into the mold? Bryan I could have watched more from Gary’s tour because I spent so many years designing and building aircraft from composite material and watching Gary brought back so many memories with the challenges he faces on a daily basis. It’s a dirty field to be in to say the least because dust is a bitch to mitigate all the time. I didn’t see any EOP lines on his tooling or parts? Maybe you didn’t show them? Another in-depth episode Bryan love your channel!!
I think very generally carbon fibre out performs aluminium easily in fatigue. I believe it's something to do with the low stress the material is under (because there is high safety factors used to account for uncertainty in the materials).
I heard with the black-hawk when the changed from aluminium rotors to composite ones it weng from a regular inspection cycle to the rotors lasting for the life of the airframe.
Just a observation the guy is wearing a lab coat in a home garage-shop setup trying to pitch his company as a Fortune 500 company. I picture after the filming he takes his lab coat off and the wife comes into the shop, from their house, and brings him a sandwich. I would be more impressed hearing this guys background if he was a retire aerospace engineer who spent his life working with composites for a large aerospace company and now setting up his own small business.
He literally said they work for many other companies, building parts for wind turbines, drag racers and others. There clearly is a track record with composites. He was also pretty clear that they are working with another company on that aircraft prototype. In other words, the OTHER company is the one designing the aircraft; these guys are actually building it. As for that 4-seat experimental aircraft, it looks awfully similar to the 1990s White Lightning WLAC-1 superfast kit plane.
This is a specialised company building composite parts. They take the engineering design and devise the process to build composite parts. Aerospace engineering experience would be irrelevant.
oh, how I dreamed of building such planes as a child, but I was unlucky, I was born in Ukraine, where all doors to opportunity were closed to me.
Op
Ummmm, that is a White Lightning fuselage. Who is building this and would they like my bank account number?
Gary I have a message with a serious tone...........
Please forgive my bluntness, I may also be out of place, sorry in advance......
I find you a brilliant talented well spoken articulate handsome man.........
You would make a good bad guy in the Batman movie, just saying....
Gary your sugar levels too high, if you don't understand my comment, visit your Doctor...
Personally I like to keep men like you around for a long time, because you build what we dream about every night.......
Gary take this as a serious warning and feel free to call me any bad name you want.....
Good materials, but bad technology.