The Clarity Of VR In The Quest 3 is GAME CHANGING !
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- The clarity of the quest 3 lenses and how well AMS2 runs is an absolute game changer for PC VR I feel that the Quest 3 is the first VR headset where you get both good FOV with clarity that makes you focus purely on the game rather than technical limitations of the HMD. Only real issue is that you still have to have something on your head :(
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Great to see you covering VR once again 👍🏼
AMS2 in VR Quest 3 is Super!!! we need your Quest3 and AMS2 settings!!!
Thanks
I agree- I was super impressed with the Quest 3 coming from the Valve Index. I did not expect such a difference. Last weekend I finally hit that euphoric moment of losing the external world and feeling like I was actually in the game sitting in the LMDH BMW racing AMS2-- (i have been using VR since DK1 and Live for Speed)
This is huge, I've got an index but I've stopped using it as I literally can't see past the screen door effect and find it overly distracting. Time to sell it and get a Quest 3 lmao
@@potatoglizzy3212 I'll do a quest 3 Vs valve index video soon 👍
@@GamerMuscleVideosI too just went index -> quest. I understand what you mean by "this is what I've been waiting for" for the first time it's just good. No caveats. No notes. It's finally good enough.. over wifi no less. The biggest surprise is how much I've been enjoying the pass through and the exclusive games. I thought it would be just my pcvr setup, but the standalone is punching over its class. Good video. The comparison will be a murder.
I've been racing with VR in AMS2 for years. Quest 3 is best at default resolution with SS in game to boost clarity. If you max out resolution in Oculus settings it looks like shit in comparison. Also make sure to open the AMS2 document folder and go to the Oculusvr settings and put the Sharpening at the bottom to 3.0. Use High MSAA, and adjust performance by using the FoV tangent in Debug tool. I run 90fps consistently in night or rain too using .4 vertical fov tangent. The vertical FoV is amazing in Quest 3 so you dont even notice it. Also all cam settings to 0 with legacy cam activated really gives you that real connection to the car. Also in the debug tool use low Distortion curve, 960 Encode bitrate, and Normal Link Sharpening. These settings are best for Quest 3.
Man, I was using x1.5 resolution in Oculus with 940 bitrate and was so underwhelmed by the results (cockit was ultra sharp but road textures and environment were muddy) that I was about to send it back for refund and keep my Reverb G2. Glad I saw your comment because after using all your settings it was night and day! Now I get it when GamerMuscle says it's ultra sharp and all!
@@CoolSpy31STS I agree with everything you list here other than the sharpness, which I have at .3. I find that even at 1 it looks too sharp and it adds a bit of jumpiness to pixels at a distance. Unfortunately my GPU is nowwhere near as powerful as yours (which I bet is a rtx4090?) so with the settings above and all else in ultra, the most I get is around 30 fps with SS at 1.5, although I've managed to push it to 1.8 with sunny races. It drops to about 25 fps which is still playable. But yes, the key thing is to use native Quest resolution with as much super sampling as you can get away with.
Surprisingly I get about 1 fps less with the Quest 3 then I do with the Q2, but naturally the image quality is so much better. Really glad I got the Q3 last week, so are my children. Once you play AMS2 in VR it's hard to look at a flat screen again.
I am not satisfied with the image quality in my quest 2, even with the resolution maxed out. What is is SS you mentioned? In fact, I dont know half of the settings you mentioned, do you have a tutorial somewhere?
@@felipesiedschlagyopan4185 Yes, I believe you. The image quality without fiddling with sucks. Lets start with this: do you have Automobilista 2? And which graphics card are you using? Do you connect the Q2 to your PC via usb cable?
@@Slakass55 yup, Main Game is automobilista 2, I use cable link. Hardware should be good enough, r7 7800x3d, rtx4080super, 64gb ram.
You last few vids have super low audio Mr Muscle
Yah I fixed it now , mic had just moved.
Yes, liking the VR vids ! just confirms to me that, this is the route for me to go... immersion over glossy looks . I cant wait to go VR Q3 .... Great Video !!
i got a quest 3 with a 4070 and this is the only game i play its amazing
What are your settings with oculus app and debug tool
Told you.... AMS2 and VR is even better than AC, ACC, iracing, RF2, German wife, Tea and even Buffys sister ! 🤣
Yeah, AMS2 has always done VR very well
I think AC is still better AMS2 is just really convenient and ai fun.
Handling is so random in AMS2 😂 , VR helps to make it esear to look past the bad parts and focus on the good parts though.
@@GamerMuscleVideosat least the foveat is better in AC compared to AMS2: in AMS2 there are some kind of ugly stripes
@@GamerMuscleVideos noting like AC to race any car you want around a mario inspired track, like Royal Raceway. In VR the nostalgia is supreme
Hi James, I have to say, I agree with you 100% on this, I've got a Metaquest 3, play wirelessly using VD and AMS2 is one of the best games in VR in my opinion. MInd you, ACC has improved with the last few updates , the VR in that is amazing as well, seems to be very well optimized. I've just bought the Moza R5 bundle with brake pedal upgrade kit and clutch sat in a box in my room, cannot wait to get it setup and playing. Guess what I'll be doing the weekend....cheers, Daz, Leicester.
I’ve been racing AMS2 in vr for quite a while. Love the the just get in and race simplicity and beautiful graphics.
Really enjoyed that. Please do post more videos from inside the car. Can I also ask what your PC specs are, as presumably that matters too as well as having the Quest 3. Cheers.
VR is just so good for sim racing, it's cheaper than a proper 32:9 monitor or a triple screen setup, looking around freely is amazing and a big point for me personally, I don't have a dedicated sim racing setup so the ability to have it standing in the corner and just plug in the headset would be amazing.
I’m not a sim racer at all, but man, I love your Quest 3 streams, and you’ve got yourself another subscriber 😂
Great just as sold my Rift S and went ultra wide due to clarity issues with the Rift I now find you explaining just how good the clarity is with the Quest 3 and I find myself hovering over the links to buy a Quest 3 and dive straight back into VR no sooner than I stepped away for it !
The jump from a Rift S to a Quest 3 is huge. Much better lenses and much higher resolution.
@@_Arthur- great just make it even harder to resist mate 🤣
I also agree with you on the Quest 3. Going from my Oculus Rift S to this Quest 3 headset, the visual qualities are so much greater for me. Doing SIM racing is allot of fun now viewing the games through the Quest 3. I also have my Quest 3 connected via a link cable to the USB port on my PC. Works great.
Still learning the setups for my racing games to use with the Quest 3.
take care.
definitely reconsidering upgrading my VR headset over investing in 2 other monitors.
There's a lot that can be said about AMS2, but it's VR performance and immersion is amazing for sure. The constant updates and polish are definitely a plus too, gotta hand it to Reiza.
Looking forward to see you streaming in VR 👍
I went from the G2 to the quest pro and it blew me away, and on link it's so smooth in all conditions. This is the closest we can get to real racing in our homes and just think, 20 years ago we'd have had to re mortgage our house to do this. Oh, and welcome to the darkside GM. Have you used OTT? You can set different settings per game. Le Mans is the dogs b, best version I've ever seen.
You are so late to the party btw!
You will find I was first to the party 🥳 I think I was one of maybe 3 people doing TH-cam VR videos 9 years ago 😆.
I'm loving all this VR content it's the only way I Sim race. I THINKING big screen Beyond
After watching a few of your recent VR drives and hearing such praise from a world renowned skeptic - on just about everything apart from AC - I just might buy one of these Q3s. Rather than a new high end wheel rim this looks like it provides far deeper senses of immersion.
I whent from the Rift CV1 to the quest 3.... And I agree 100% It's so much better and made me understand VR more then just a funny display with funny controllers. To how alot of people saw it then in 2017 when I got my Rift till now with the vision pro.
Loving the VR videos!
Def get a Pimax Crystal and compare for us!
Preferably a Bigscreen beyond aswell :)
Hi, I use a BoboVr M3 Pro without mask and the FOV is much wider. 👌👌
I don't know if you know this, I don't know if you've tried this, but much like how you can edit the sharpness for AMS2 you can do likewise for AC. I found this out purely by accident as I always felt AC was a bit blurry compared to other VR titles. Go into Nvidia control panel, select image sharpening then adjust the % you want the image sharpened, then save and go into game. Obviously you need to unselect it if you are going to use it for triples as it looks really weird, but for VR it does the job 👍
Looks awesome! Are you using Virtual Desktop or the new Steam app? If Virtual Desktop, what are your encode settings and game res set to? Trying to optimize Quest 3 for sim racing and what you have achieved looks great!
Flat to VR jump is immense but even more immense is VR + motion sim. Quest 3 + yaw2 = life is so good.
How much are motion rigs? Always figured theyd be pretty expensive
I have my sick note ready for when the Pimax 12k comes out in 2035
From what I understand with pancake lenses 110Fov horizontal is basically the limit , before it the lense has to be made such it diminishes quality in the centre.
110deg to me is what I'd consider the minimum for immersion I'd love more 😅
VR rules big time. It is so immersive. Now I need a new PC and a Quest 3. My old pc and rift are EOL, sim race wise that is.
Yep more videos in the car please. Just raise your mic volume a bit.
Hi ...Pick my q3 up tomorrow...coming from a rift s ...am I about to enter a world of pain set up wise ...the deal breaker for me is the pancake lens because I have a motion platform .
Hmmm no, reverb g2 is better and thats 3 or 4 years old. No compression, better stereo overlap, better brightness, better speakers. Better comfort.
I picked up a Pico 4 to experiment pc. I picked one up for 150£ eBay and probably slightly clearer than the psvr2 and quest screen but the psvr has hdr and an awesome oled screen.
Pico 4 is a slightly better buy over the quest imo at least for plug in pc play. Once you replace the front face cover to something more like a psvr face cover it is one of the best. Lightest and most comfortable.
ATM I'm hooked on gt7 vr I'm surprised you never tried it but this does seem interesting I may try it this out if it's not much a fiddle on pc. I've been fiddling with uevr praydog and lukeross mods and it's pretty neat.
However the plug and play of psvr is too awesome somtimes I've been extremely Happy with the psvr2 and GT7/Re8/RE4 although psvr2 has minor mura issue which is also distracting at first. Once you get over it it's not so bad.
Looks rad!
I was trying to hold off and just keep my quest 2 but these videos are making it impossible to not upgrade
Lol same, been running a quest 2 since it's release and it has done me well, perhaps during a sale later this year for me
I sim race on triple 27 Asus monitors, been holding off VR for a good headset to come out.
I'm seriously thinking of splashing out 350 quid on a quest 3 after watching Mr Muscles vids on it, and other reviews.
Only problem I have is I have HGV training (class 2) coming up in March so I have theory, hazard perception, and my CPC to learn 😢
Can't wait to eventually try VR out though.
Have you ever tried the Reverb G2, and if yes, how does it compare to the Quest 3?
GM would be interested with your in game graphic settings , as i just tried AMS2
with Q3 for the first time ... my first VR racing experience and for the part pretty good
im sure there are some tweaks which im sure im not doing will help.
Currently have the Reverb G2 and most people I've read say it's not worth the upgrade - how do you think it compares?
Are you using the graphicsconfig tweak? Can get a decent bunch more clarities with it.
Hi gamermuscle, you have talked about your mods to the quest 3 which are the AMVR face interface, DESTEK QH3 strap, and INIU link cable. Is there anything else that you have done?
Also can we get a video covering best settings for iRacing?
Thank you!
More VR content, happy days!
I love VR in my quest 2 so I can only imagine how good the upgrade to quest 3 will be.
I should warn you before you sell that Q2 and run to the bank to grab a handful of cash for that shiny new Q3: the difference is noticeable but it's nothing huge. It's sure not like night and day. In fact if you play mostly first person shooters and other such games, a Q3 will hardly look different. However for racing where you must be able to look way down the road to spot your braking point, better clarity is key. And this is where the Q3 outperforms that Q2 but not by a whole lot. Don't expect super smooth graphics that you get on a flatscreen. It's better than the Q2 in many ways but it isn't a game changer. For that we shall hold out for a Quest 4 or beyond. But hey, any little bit helps in racing sims and if you have the cash to spare, then why not?
@gamermuscle have you compared your link settings with using virtual desktop and an ethernet adaptor. If so any comments on that?
My main hesitation for buying a Quest 3 is Meta could care less about PCVR. Currently on a Quest 2 and the visuals are fine. Waiting for the next technology leap or buying used.
So what wheel are you running with now in VR?
I think mr Muscle should try a PICO4 ... seems its the first pancake lenses he uses :P
I have a pico 4 swapped my quest 2 for it. I want to get my hands on a quest 3 to try out now to compare
So tempted to get one
Do it!
Pico 4 is all you need, if you're only doing PCVR. £200 secondhand. Quest 3 marginally better, but much more expensive.
Ok Ok already!@@aj_avant
I wish there was a way to trial these before you buy- day by day you are tempting me but (1) don’t want to break my brain and (2) need to be sure it’s worth it with my pc (amd 5600 with rx6600 and 32gb ram).
Do you have any settings for IRacing.
Used your settings in the debug tool, but still suffering from antialiasing far away on the track
Thanks!
Thanks so much for the teabags , really appreciate it ☕👍
on the bobVR headgear, do you run with the battery, or do you think I could get a non powered version? It looks like to me, the ba wire from the battery pack (rear) would plug into the same plug as the link cable?@@GamerMuscleVideos
My settings are maxing all the settings in virtual destkop. Bitrate, sharpness, enable snapdragon sharpnessuse 4080 godlike setting. In steamvr, 70% supersampling. It is the most sharpest experi3nce ever. You offload all the power from the pc to the headset and you have clarity beyond clarity. The headset grabs the 70% ss from steamvr and makes it look like 4k. And you are left with alot of headroom in the ss setting. I use a rtx 3090.
A bit sad You never got to test the Varjo Aero after they finally got the color aberration fixed, but great that the q3 works so well for You. It really is at a good price point👍
I've owned most of the VR headsets and the Q3 is so far my favourite. Just so easy on my eyes.
What if you compare it to the HP G2?
Own a G2, small sweet spot just does not work for me. @@renehoude7705
GM have you added any mods for AMS 2?
more VR videos please!
More please
HiTech @ Imola is a fun choice. Try taking HiTech around Bathurst and see how AI get on with the dipper. AMS2 is really progressing, it's a different game to what it was last year, every time I hop in it seems to have improved since last time. Hopefully more sales for Reiza, and more money means more development. Firstly a career progression, maybe similar to what project cars 2 was. Then hopefully next an amazing ranked daily race series, maybe LFM of their own take of iRacing series. If Reiza pull this off then this will be one of the best sims out there. I think they will do it.
There is not a sim that does it all yet IMO. iRacing has the online series down and is great in VR but expensive, no career. AC almost has it all, requires a lot of faff & lacks a decent career but LFM is a step up in online racing. ACC, limited cars, shite in VR unless you have NASA's PC. Race Room, RF2 and all the others just don't have the user base. I really hop AMS 2 will give us the whole package eventually. Also i'm loving my Quest 3 and only race in VR
Could I run the Quest 3 with 90fps in AMS2 with a 3090 and 3950x? ❤
I'm quite tempted by the Quest 3, but I'm kinda happy with the Quest 2 for now, and don't really use it a whole lot, so I'm going to wait for the Quest 4. I reckon it'll be a Game Changer (TM).
guess i am getting a quest 3 and new computer now
I have quest 3 but unfortunately I’ve never gotten link connection to work so I’m stuck with virtual desktop.
Have you shared your settings for ams2 to make it look good?
Hey man, love these VR videos. Can you do a more detailed breakdown between this and the Aero? I have the Aero on loan but will have to buy my own shortly and was looking at quest 3 so I don’t have to sell my organs on the black market. The Aero is the first headset I could tolerate the clarity/experience in VR. Tried reverb G2 and hated the experience
I have only used the aero a few times
But generally speaking the quest 3s main thing was it being lighter and more comfortable I think ayro has higher rez but Q3 wider fov and rez is fine.
The issue with Q3 is more having a fast enough pc to get the most out of it than the HMDs rez being an issue.
Aero benefits from being able to be plugged into PC directly but is basically a discontinued hmd from varjo
So quest 3 makes more sense overall comfort + support.
Does anybody own both Quest 3 and HP Reverb G2? What are your thoughts?
Have you also fiddled with the sharpening tool in documents/Ams 2 folder? Make it even sharper!
I would listen this guy!
Be careful with this on q3 though as can cause jaggies from being to sharp. I found the link sharpening was enough on its own with 1.5x in Occulus software.
I don't need any more sharpening link cable on normal is already quite a a bit of sharpening , the more sharpening you ad the more AA you then need.
Also too much sharpening starts to make things look like a bad Photoshop filter.
You can sharpen in game , with openxr or with link cable.
@GamerMuscleVideos but why aren't you listening to the advice they read in a guide some guy created having only used a rift s ?? Haha
Your spot on - no sharpening needed - speaking from experience ;)
@@shaneabbott4240 OK, but to be clear, you don't know what we talking about, but still it's so easy to be smart and even toxic. I'm optimizing vr visuals 3 years now, and even with Q3 the advice the guy gave, is very noticeable in term of visual clarity.
I modified the crap out of my hp reverb g2 (put the rift S halo on it so the goggles aren't even touching my face👌👌 ) But I can't really see a way to mount a halo on this one.. And Vr headsets with headbands big no no for me... 😑
I don't feel like the Q3 is anything game changing. I bought a Reverb G2 two Black Fridays ago on sale for $300 USD as a significant step up from the Rift CV1 I had before and love it (except for the WMR part). I was able to try out a Quest 3 while at a Best Buy here in the states and thought the clarity was on par with my G2. To me, game changers would be things like the Varjo Aero or the Bigscreen Beyond. They're just a bit pricey at this time.
Thanks. Owning a G2, exactly what I wanted to know. To sound of the G2 is great. Often overlook.
What video card for good VR with G2?
@@AnomieDomine just a 3070. I run every app :)
@@renehoude7705 wow my 2070 super is a dog in VR, was expecting I'd need a 4070 to super or 4080
@@AnomieDomine It's pretty high resolution, so you need something good. I tried it with my old 1080Ti and it wasn't even close to cutting it and forced me to upgrade. I went with a 6950XT and it's handling it pretty good.
35-45ms lag, compared to 12-15ms of on HP G2 is very sensible 😢
Reverb has about 30 I've read
Is the difference so impressive when comparing quest 2 and 3? I have the q2 and almost never play ams2 on VR because of the lack of quality. I have the resolution maxed out, at 120Hz, so I would expect more from it.
can you use the quest 3 on pc sims without using the controllers ?
Do you run with open composite or steamvr.
Is everything so shaky and bumby when using the VR? Or is that just because it’s recorded?
It’s not shaky when you have headset on it’s just the recording
What res u running at>
I have a Quest 3 also. I think the input lag is way too high for it to be seriously usable.
More VR videos please
The Somnium Vr1 will give pimax crystal levels of clarity over a wider FOV (125-130). Releasing in one month.
Fun thing to do in VR is stepping “out of the car” in AC if you got enough room. Especially high detailed cars like those from RSS are a joy to walk around and inspect all the fine details. One tip, stop the car first. Don’t get out while you are driving. 😅
Can you try this on DirtRally2, since WRC doesn't have VR yet?
AMS2 VR QUEST 3 link cable setup vid when?
Can’t see this beating my pimax crystal!
What graphics card was running for this .
Issue I have with ams2 is holding FPS when it drops spacewarp kicks in and it then goes to poo
I never understood the upset around watching recorded vr. It looks great to me and more realistic than watching a single screen capture.
Just so much easier to have close racing with vr, i can never go back to screens
The Quest 3 is a huge upgrade from the Quest 2. Now wait until you try the Pimax Crystal or even the Varjo XR-4!
Keep the VR content coming!
Saw your previous VR video using AMS2 and decided to download the demo off of Steam. I am not using the Q3 however, I am still running on an Index and I find the level of detail very good... even on my three year old rig. But!!! I am not a car sim driver and I was quite horrible starting out (still am...) and attempting to motor around the track caused me no problems in terms of motion sickness. Then, I started to get the tinyest bit better, hitting my breaking marks... flowing through corners... accelerating out... and that is when it hit... My gut did a tripple gainer and I had to pull off the headset to give the stomach a break. I was very frustrated with this as I have been playing FPS in VR for years now and I don't have these issues. Is this something I just have to get used to? Or, am I doomed?🤢
You will build up your VR tolerance, a couple of tips, prioritize frames over graphics because a more stuttery picture will make you more prone to motion sickness. The AMS2 demo is pretty outdated I've read. In game, there's a camera movement tab, play around with it to fit your needs
If you're new to driving sims in VR it can be helpful to use the lock to horizon setting in games that have it. I used this when I started. Now that I have my VR legs I use lock to car.
The demo is making really, really bad justice to AMS2.
Regarding motion sickness, not sure if the demo has it, but full build offers 2 types of camera stabilization, every mode works a bit differently. Use full horizon lock in legacy mode if you are experiencing motion sickness. It has one flaw: the horizon is locked on world, not on track tangens. You will see it on big banks. But for training your VR legs it is perfect. And... point a fan at yourself.
Who would've though that there will be a time you like AMS2 more than me😆
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How does it compare to the HP Reverb G2 I'm worried about compression due to USB before I trade in my G2
I think overall it's much better but you can see compression with link cable in certain scenarios.
I'm going through some more settings and testing to work out what the maximum I can get from device is + oculus r doing update this week.
I think Q3 still wins out overall though.
Someone is falling in love with a new sim it seams :-).
Do you still feel that the quest 3 is a better option than the Varja Aero
I think so
I could be wrong here, but I'm just starting to form the impression that you really, really like the Quest 3?
How much difference is there between entry level Direct Drive and a top one
Once you get to around 12Nm not much really , and even with 8NM DD wheels the issue is more each sims FFB , AC for example has by far the most useful FFB you can play ACC with the best DD on the market and it wont get anny more information as the sim simply dosn't have any dynamic range in the ffb for the limit.
@@GamerMuscleVideos thanks mate ❤️, how much change for Rfactor2?
Not the most technological advanced cars ... these cars are still considered the most technological sophisticated cars even by modern standards. Active suspension, ABS, TC, semi aswell as fully automatic gearbox, power steering, telemetry etc ... XD
Ok ok , but I'm sure that stuff will still be simple compared to the ECU , power delivery , meterail, fluid dynamic and all the other tech that's done both inside and outside of modern formula cars now.
I mean it's just different and different time and paradigm for the vehicles.
@@GamerMuscleVideos Don't get me wrong, I understand where you are going with this. Technological progress is there by nature obviously. I am not sure we would be having all that hybrid tech today if it wasn't mandated by the rules though. One thing that certainly has progressed alot is tyre technology. If you take a look at the average speeds at tracks like Barcelona the FW15C would still be pretty competetive. :)
Try Pico 4, as good as q3 for almost half the Price ;)
Rtx 3070 enough for quest 3 and ams2?
On lower settings sure
@@GamerMuscleVideos not worth to buy it then if it has to run on lower settings?
Until the Pimax 12K comes out, nothing comes close to the Pimax 8K X especially the latest version (serial number with 2076 instead of 2075) which has a beta firmware for 120 Hz instead of 90. The FOV is INCREDIBLE. The FOV means you're not looking through a keyhole into a videogame world but, instead, you're literally in the game. Think about the difference in immersion and sense of speed between a single-screen and triple-screen setup. The sweet spot for FOV, image quality, and framerates with the 8K X is the 2nd widest FOV called "normal" which is still like 140 degrees horizontal (large is around 160 but framerates suffer and I believe it affects image quality a bit).
OK try now in f1 23 and be dissapointed lmao
Does AMS2 have real mirror or are you stuck with camera as mirrors?
That is real mirror in the game. It reflect the image depend on your head position. So if you move your head , the mirror image will change.
@@louislu6335 can you set it to also reflect the car itself?