Speer G2 9MM vs .40S&W!....Gold Dots Without The Performance?

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  • @A_Brit
    @A_Brit ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I have captured some of these rounds in water jugs. The G2 was by fair the hardest to catch. It would consistently push through three gallon jugs. The only way I managed to get one was to put a steel target behind the jugs. They are terrible. I will continue to stick with my normal 124+p gold dots and 124+p HST's.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yeah, these were a big fail.

    • @deucedeuce1572
      @deucedeuce1572 ปีที่แล้ว

      Paul Harrell uses fleece. He could catch a 50BMG with that (and with no deformation. lol.).

    • @Gsmooth10455
      @Gsmooth10455 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I couldn't agree more Alexander, why change from something that's tried and true. I'll stay with my trusty 124+P Gold Dots and 124+P HST's as well.

  • @colt10mmsecurity68
    @colt10mmsecurity68 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Your 9mm tests are great, but your .40 cal vids are the “gold standard” on TH-cam! Thank you!

  • @Lucas12v
    @Lucas12v ปีที่แล้ว +67

    Hard to imagine what Speer was thinking with these. Especially after decades of making one of the most trusted and reliable projectiles on the market.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Sure doesn't impress me.

    • @papertiger6118
      @papertiger6118 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yes. Like T&T mentioned, I just can't believe Speer put these rounds on the market with that type of performance.

    • @alm9951
      @alm9951 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      They had to. They shouldn't have but they have to stay competitive with the likes of Hornady and their red plug.

    • @Lucas12v
      @Lucas12v ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@alm9951 Even if that's true, they didn't have to make a version that doesn't perform.

    • @grantharris6575
      @grantharris6575 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It’s the gel. In actual OIS it has performed very well and is one of the most popular 9mm loads across the country for law enforcement. I trust my love to it and have tested it myself. This clear ballistics gel sucks.

  • @geraldbatts575
    @geraldbatts575 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The 40 looks like a case of when they say "new and improved" means they found a way to make it cheaper not necessarily better. Then again it's possible that they made it a little tougher,more for 10mm power level bullet that doesn't work as well at 40 power level.

  • @nearrlegend6741
    @nearrlegend6741 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Looks like the cold weather we had a few days found it's way to you brother lol! The heavy clothing barrier has proven itself as a formidable challenger. Thank you for the great info as always!

  • @kevinramsey3490
    @kevinramsey3490 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    I personally think they're a response to Hornady's Critical Duty.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +12

      They sure were out to lunch on this one.

    • @albundy06
      @albundy06 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Why would anybody waste their time and money responding to a garbage product?
      Hornady sucks

    • @lazygamer9725
      @lazygamer9725 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@albundy06 hornady hunting ammo is pretty spot on..... I'd rather have federal punch or hydra shock for defense but hornady isnt as bad as some for sure

    • @albundy06
      @albundy06 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lazygamer9725 Not talking about their hunting, their match, their anything put defense and duty rounds for handguns.
      And almost across the board. They suck. Period. Some of the most overrated junk in the entire firearms industry.

    • @lazygamer9725
      @lazygamer9725 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@albundy06 AL Bundy was my and still is my role model!!!! So I'll give u the duty and service defense etc. I've never had problems with liberty civil defense ... I still like federal hat punches etc. But I agree I use to love xtp back 20 years ago... keep it up and dont let peggy spend all your $

  • @ronaldbarnes8302
    @ronaldbarnes8302 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Our agency tested the G2 vs the standard 147 GD when we switched back to 9’s. The standard GD’s did better. Thanks for the jelly test Tools!

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Appreciate ya, brother!

    • @willyoung4512
      @willyoung4512 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ....and yet we switched anyway.

  • @Gator69420
    @Gator69420 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    So glad you keeping testing with the clothing. Thanks for the videos

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Appreciate you!😎👊

    • @A_Brit
      @A_Brit ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It's been a game changer for some of these rounds. You can really tell who's engineers are the best.

    • @Gator69420
      @Gator69420 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@A_Brit I’ll be sticking with federal HST, original Speer gold dots, UNDERWOOD

    • @MB-jg4tr
      @MB-jg4tr ปีที่แล้ว

      Thick Clothing barrier for the win 👍

  • @woody2727
    @woody2727 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Thank you for another great test video. You have quickly become my favorite ammo tester on TH-cam!

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Appreciate that!😎👊

    • @JohnLloydScharf
      @JohnLloydScharf ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ToolsandTargets I'd like to know how you get that recycled so clear. My best guess is a long low heat remelt.

    • @tommartin1223
      @tommartin1223 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Mine too!

  • @guardianminifarm8005
    @guardianminifarm8005 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    That is disappointing, even troubling that Speer put this on the market. Some folk at Speer need to lose their jobs for not doing their job of releasing quality, reliable bullets. This really bothers me. I haven't seen many videos with success using these new G2. Thanks for doing your part especially taking the extra time and space in gel to make the 2nd 9mm.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Hopefully they don't get any ideas of replacing their regular Gold Dots with it.

    • @guardianminifarm8005
      @guardianminifarm8005 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ToolsandTargets That would be very foolish. 1 really bad decision is enough for a company of their reputation.

  • @christopherbishop4927
    @christopherbishop4927 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks Tools for braving the February gales and providing yet more jelly tests

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I thought I was gonna have to find some ruby slippers to get back home a few times!🌪🌪🌪

    • @christopherbishop4927
      @christopherbishop4927 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ToolsandTargets ROTFLMAO

  • @hughey4594
    @hughey4594 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have some in 9mm they are currently the issued duty load for LAPD and they have had really good results with it

  • @darkdaze3860
    @darkdaze3860 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey! I watch a ton of firearm videos, you, by far and away, have the best gel blocks! Your's are always clear and no ripples. All other channels have yellow wavy blocks. Keep up the excellent work!

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Appreciate that! It takes a lot of time, but I try to get em where it's pretty decent to watch at least.😎👍

  • @thepatriotsrage661
    @thepatriotsrage661 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Brian,
    Another awesome (chilly) test, thank you!
    There are actually 2 loadings of the 180gr .40 Speer G2, one rated to 920fps and other at 1015fps; you liked had the 'less recoil' option at 920fps which ran slightly higher in the G22 barrel.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm not sure what "source" you're using for information lately but you're completely wrong. This is "duty" ammo like I clearly stated, listed as being tested out of a 5" barrel. This is also the ONLY 180 grain .40S&W G2 listed on their site. The other two 180 options are both the original Gold Dot bullet, one of which is labeled as "short barrel" and even that lists 950 as a velocity and not "920." The most important info to know is this ammo sucks.

  • @JamesDBlanc
    @JamesDBlanc 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for your hard work. I'm sure its fun shooting jelly and whatnot, but I want you to know that us fans really appreciate all the hard work you put in on & off camera. I didn't even know Speer released new gold dots. The old ones worked so well I didn't think they needed updating haha.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you sir. Appreciate that.😎👊

  • @benweatherstaff3157
    @benweatherstaff3157 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Almost ordered this. Glad I found this video first. Thanks!

  • @hoffpbass
    @hoffpbass ปีที่แล้ว +6

    You know, after some fails, you could just lift the clothing out of the way for the bare gel shot. But, most criminals are not at the beach in summertime, so I'm with you -- can't carry.
    Your weather today sounds like MN without the snow and sub zero temps. But wind and below +32 always tough on one's body. Stay safe and warm. Thanks for the dedication. Hope it was fun.

  • @jackbauer9077
    @jackbauer9077 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I know when they came out the 9mm never opened. I don’t trust enough to carry/use. Yours was 1st I seen 9mm work.you’d think gold dots would be good but I’ll stick with OG gold dots.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah, I sure expected much better.

    • @jackbauer9077
      @jackbauer9077 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ToolsandTargets yeah they have to know they suck, wish they’d quit making them and just make more good gold dots for us to get prices down.

  • @earlmorrison8163
    @earlmorrison8163 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow, was not expecting those results out of Speer !! Thanks for video !!

  • @papertiger6118
    @papertiger6118 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You mentioned how the lead of the petals was notably hard. I think that may be the reason it didn't consistently expand. The lead just wasn't maliable enough to bend open at those velocities. Great video. Thank you. 🙂👍

    • @robertm8401
      @robertm8401 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      They are fond of using high antimony lead together with their touted bonding process. Maybe a redesign with a larger cavity (with thinner petals) will do the trick for these.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think you're right. That hard lead compound with these speeds just didn't jive.😎👍 Thank you sir.

    • @papertiger6118
      @papertiger6118 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@robertm8401 I think you're right. Your solution seems to be what Speer incorporated in their old Gold Dots...larger cavities/thinner walls. The old Gold Dots worked well. Although expansion wasn't as reliable, at lower velocities, as HST and PDX1 bullets displayed.

  • @Gsmooth10455
    @Gsmooth10455 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you Tools for verifying what I had previously read about this particular round. Unfortunately I had already bought 2 boxes each in 9mm and .40 and after I read about how bad they were I took them to the range and used them for target practice.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Makes ya wonder why they even bothered.🤷‍♂️

  • @acid6urns
    @acid6urns 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    aaaand this is why once i did my research ALL i carry is 124gr +p gold dot regulars. if hsts would go on sale and not cost $32 a box for 20, i’d buy them. but price wise the gold dots are still right alongside the hst, but i can actually afford to shoot/train w them.

  • @maxmccain8950
    @maxmccain8950 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I saw some early tests when they first brought the G2 out and it failed miserably. I heard they tweaked the bullet to perform better but apparently it still just doesn’t do what it’s supposed to. I’m staying away. Thanks for the great test sir.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Definitely not a win on this one.😆

  • @RealtyPro7
    @RealtyPro7 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just had to come back to this one. I think I use your tests as an ammo library to compare more than pretty much any other. I saw some new ads and sales on this G2 and remembered it didn’t do well in testing but had to check again. Definitely not going to buy any of this over HST and Underwood. They are nearly impossible to beat. Although I have Not been buying (or recommending) any Underwood for a while now. Sadly I received some 380 and 9 with serious bullet set back new in the box. Then I also started having issues with setback in some of the same carry ammo from a different date and order, so likely was a different batch. I emailed and sent messages to Underwood and did a few online reviews mentioning the problems. And received ZERO response from them. It’s not just the loss of throwing away money on expensive ammo that’s garbage. The real issue is the complete lack of QC and customer service or replies. And of course the fact that you must be able to fully trust your carry ammo. I’m so disappointed that this has happened because I’ve been a long time customer and also a big fan of their Xtreme Defender and Penetrator products in all calibers. Now I just don’t trust them, at least not without an explanation of why it started having problems and replacement of the bad ammo. I should post this on all the Underwood tests because my previous comments were all telling g people to definitely use their ammo above all others. Especially in 380! Now I consider the ammo and company unreliable until they get back to me. I will note that I have not “yet” had this problem with any of their XTP ammo.

  • @Keithjmcc
    @Keithjmcc ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice work, thank for shooting those jell blocks. They’re very expensive. I’m a 40 guy but I love the testing.

  • @HeartsOfDarkness
    @HeartsOfDarkness ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What’s your thoughts on the G2 being more suited for barrier penetration? For example auto windshields and doors. LEOs seem to encounter these types of barriers more often than civilians involved in defensive shootings. As per your usual, another outstanding video.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Appreciate that. I think that's just an excuse used for bad ammo half the time. Personally think this is just a bad design and weak loaded.🤷‍♂️

    • @TheHandHistoryVault
      @TheHandHistoryVault ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Imo, if the bullet is made to expand, then it has no use for Barrier Penetration. This is where Hardcast and other designs come in.

    • @HeartsOfDarkness
      @HeartsOfDarkness ปีที่แล้ว

      Disappointing to know Speer would put out a deficient design performance wise. The 40 in this test was horrible. Guess they all can’t be winners.

  • @victorramosjr2239
    @victorramosjr2239 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    These 147 gr are quite accurate from my experience. I have only found one store online that has these in 9mm 147 gr. They have two 20 rd boxes in stock, & you have to pick up in store to buy them. But luckily, I get this ammo for free...🙈

  • @josephpacchetti5997
    @josephpacchetti5997 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The Speer G2 147gr 9mm claims 1,020 fps Muzzle Velocity and 340 ft-lb at the Muzzle, test bbl was 4" The G2 is for short bbl and is claimed to provide Max performance for a bbl as short as 1.9"
    The Speer S&W 180gr, claims 950fps at the Muzzle and 420 ft-lb at the Muzzle and the test bbl was 3.5" Thanks Brian. 👊 🇺🇲

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      This G2 definitely isn't made for short barrels. It's full size "duty" ammo. "The result is extremely uniform expansion, better separation of the petals, and more consistent penetration across barrier types through full-size handguns." is what they claim. 4" test barrel for the 9mm and 5" for the .40 is what's listed on their site.

    • @josephpacchetti5997
      @josephpacchetti5997 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ToolsandTargets OK, The information I wrote was from the Speer website, unless they have changed it, several years ago I had heard from different websites and they all stated that the G2 was designed for short barrels, and when I called two LGSs they said the same, but no worries as I stick with HSTs have a safe and enjoyable weekend. 👊 🇺🇲

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@josephpacchetti5997 That's their "Carry Gun" line. Uses this newer style G2 bullet but not the heavy grains and I imagine they supposedly have used powder optimized for short barrels.

    • @josephpacchetti5997
      @josephpacchetti5997 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ToolsandTargets 👍

    • @pejoarda772
      @pejoarda772 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@josephpacchetti5997 180gr @950=420ft-lb?

  • @7N6ballistics
    @7N6ballistics ปีที่แล้ว

    Try it in simple water jugs. Synthetic gel tends to act differently than organic gel with filled cavity projectiles. Speer does not use synthetic gel in developing their ammunition.

  • @jeffc2124
    @jeffc2124 ปีที่แล้ว

    A friend of mine carries this and sold me on it, he watched your video and says you are firing the wrong G2 version in the test pistols. g2 Carry is designed to penetrate and expand properly in compact barrels and G2 Duty is designed for full size barrels, and you then have short barrel G2 designed for micro pistols/smaller than compact length barrels

  • @nikos6220
    @nikos6220 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Upsi. Thanks for the test - Tough to see something that carries that GD brand fail. And that out of a full size….
    Now put that into a Compact or smaller and you have a very posh bear defense load with ample penetration 😁
    165s are the way to go, full expansion and 100 ft-lb more. No-brainer

  • @MidWesternShootingEnthusiast
    @MidWesternShootingEnthusiast ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I haven’t seen great things about the standard G2 Speer loads. I really want to see the G2 Carry Gun loads tested though. They claim to optimized for shorter barrels and are lighter projectiles generally which should give greater velocity. I have some G2 Carry Gun 45 ACP 200 grain+p and am really curious how they would perform.

  • @rsbreeze
    @rsbreeze ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Never felt the need to biy any G2 bullets, simply cause the original bullets were so damn good!

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      These sure aint like the originals.😆

  • @randypryse4025
    @randypryse4025 ปีที่แล้ว

    I agree with you on that. 25% = ZERO when you need to depend on your ammo. Keep up the fine work!

  • @alfontana6242
    @alfontana6242 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for your video. I now know what not to buy. Speer pulled a fast one on this G2 ammo.
    For defensive rounds in my 40 cal and 9mm I will stick with underwood ammo.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Definitely not what I expect from "next gen" ammo.😆

  • @Dwayne7834
    @Dwayne7834 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the video. Not sure I would use the G2 for EDC .

  • @nigeltheoutlaw
    @nigeltheoutlaw ปีที่แล้ว

    Man you weren't kidding about that wind. Looks like they're trying to make a Black Talon/T-Series style projectile, but haven't got it down yet. I'll definitely hold off for now, but I'd be very interested in any future advancements for sure. Thanks again.

  • @dougcutler4948
    @dougcutler4948 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm disappointed in a lot of recent factory made 40. In most of the comparison tests a few years ago between 9, 40 & 45, the 40 would usually come out on top with velocity, expansion and penetration.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Seems like everything has gotten weaker lately.😆

    • @Wildwestwrangler
      @Wildwestwrangler ปีที่แล้ว +1

      165gr punch in 40s&w is really good for off the shelf ammo

    • @dougcutler4948
      @dougcutler4948 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Wildwestwrangler Thanks

  • @jimmydunn3775
    @jimmydunn3775 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for what you do! We do appreciate it.

  • @jdk_360
    @jdk_360 ปีที่แล้ว

    I saw a video on these some years back on some channel I couldn’t remember that basically got the same result, so I was pretty excited to see if maybe that was a fluke, but apparently not. Speer failed hard on these. Love your channel man. Keep on doing them jelly tests. I’ll keep on watching.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you sir. Definitely not anything like the original Gold Dots.

    • @jdk_360
      @jdk_360 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ToolsandTargets I don’t have a channel or anything but I’ve shot quite a few different rounds through water jugs just because I get bored and it’s fun so I have some idea of what different rounds do. Regardless of caliber it’s always the magical unicorn hunt for the perfect carry round. I’m kind of feeling Hornady critical defense and Federal HST across-the-board.

  • @davidjernigan7576
    @davidjernigan7576 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Seems most of these bullets with the fancy filling in the cavity perform poorly. Now the hydra shock deep in the previous video seems to be a solid choice. It would be interesting to see how the G2 performs without the filling.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, it's almost like they're pre clogged.😆

    • @Tadders
      @Tadders ปีที่แล้ว

      The only exception is the Critical Duty bullet, but those don't seem to expand reliably out of super short barrels. Much better than these God Dot G2 bullets though

  • @charlesmorgan1879
    @charlesmorgan1879 ปีที่แล้ว

    And this is why we watch ! Cause we ain't going out in that ! Lol , Thanks ! It was 13F this morning so I drove to Winston-Salem to visit father inlaw at hospital , po guy been thru alot but still battling.

  • @MeMadeIt
    @MeMadeIt ปีที่แล้ว

    As I recall, the G2 was redesigned to improve penetration. Oops!
    I picked up some original Gold Dots 9mm +P 124gr recently just to have some. But my HSTs 147gr are my main defense load.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      They certainly achieved that goal.😂

  • @l.a.3887
    @l.a.3887 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks like your taking a chance with that stuff another great video thanks

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep, no gambling for me. Thank you sir.😎👍

  • @jeffray6197
    @jeffray6197 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Those were a fail in my opinion. 25% is definitely a fail, especially in a life or death situation. I’m seeing some real poor performances out of many brands of 40 cal.
    Makes you wonder what’s going on. Hmmm.
    Anyway, thanks for sharing as always!
    Stay safe!🇺🇸👍🏻

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Disappointing for sure.

    • @CL-ty6wp
      @CL-ty6wp ปีที่แล้ว +2

      With the .40, I feel the 180gr flatnose is sufficient. Saying that, I carry bjhp.
      I would stock up with fmj for SHTF type situations.
      Same with 45 ball.
      Underwood makes good .40.

    • @828enigma6
      @828enigma6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The 165 and 180 Gold Dots seem to work well and the HST are good too.

    • @Gsmooth10455
      @Gsmooth10455 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Actually I've seen many good performances from .40 its just that this particular round from Speer is absolute garbage.

    • @alm9951
      @alm9951 ปีที่แล้ว

      @CAROLINA PATRIOT you forgot remington golden saber. The non bonded old version. Those are the ones I carry.

  • @chretired
    @chretired ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Interesting test results Tools. To be blunt the 40 cal was a total bust, no different than a FMJ. Now the 9 started out showing good performance and then you had to shoot that 2nd one, that turned out to be a good idea. But that's why we watch you're testing. If the ammo doesn't have consistent performance it's not worth carrying when your life may count on it.
    Rest easy a warm up is headed your way, well warmer than the last few days anyway. For a bit I thought your canopy was doing to blow over
    Be vigilant and always be safe my friend.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I had to put extra anchors to hold it down!😆😆😆

  • @LuckyDog350X
    @LuckyDog350X ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I don't know what kind of testing some of these manufacturers are doing when they work up new loads but this one was a fail. Looks good to me box it up and ship it out 😆 Have a good one brother see you on the next one.

  • @matthewdunn219
    @matthewdunn219 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. I was wondering about the G2. I've been running the G1 Speer Gold Dots for long time.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you sir. I have standard 124 Gold Dots in my edc.😎👍

  • @grandpabob3286
    @grandpabob3286 ปีที่แล้ว

    That test was a kick in the shorts, a guy has to take the bad with the good to try and figure out what works, thanks

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, not what I was expecting to see.

  • @jedediahsibley3355
    @jedediahsibley3355 ปีที่แล้ว

    They just don't put quite enough gas on them out of the factory! I have watched everyone of your videos and the vast majority just need +P or a bit more and would preform perfectly!! Great job mite I add, awesome content for any gun loving patriotic American!

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you sir. Totally agree they need more gas!

  • @YellowHammer26
    @YellowHammer26 ปีที่แล้ว

    👍👍appreciate the test tools

  • @kodywoodward
    @kodywoodward ปีที่แล้ว

    I think you said it best when you said "If it ain't broke don't fix it" I assumed these were going to be good because of the OG's so I have a few boxes of some dif calibers.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      I was expecting good stuff.🤷‍♂️

  • @pcrealty
    @pcrealty ปีที่แล้ว

    Would the Speer G2 gel filling 9mm be the same as the critical defense Hornady 9mm with the polymer filling?

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Similar but not sure if it's the exact same material. The critical defense ones seem more "rubbery." These also seem like they kinda just squirted some stuff in it and let it harden to the bullet, whereas the CD looks like it was formed separately and then inserted.

  • @richki.24
    @richki.24 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was going thru my cabinet and found a KKM Precision barrel in 40s&w for my Glock 23 , I forgot I bought it and don't know when .... I love late or early Christmas presents ..

  • @kevinramsey3490
    @kevinramsey3490 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The .40 did exactly as I've experienced. I haven't tried the 9. Speer is gonna ruin their reputation.

  • @andrewfossatti4937
    @andrewfossatti4937 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ty for all your ammo reviews! So many brands, types, weights, configurations etc of ammo it’s so hard to know what to expect. With these rounds I feel like both of these need a +p variant for me to even consider using them. Thank you again so much!🎉

  • @trustnot9
    @trustnot9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Test, I guess i'll stick to the good old reliable speer dots thanks for the great video.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you sir. These are definitely not like the good ol originals.😆

    • @trustnot9
      @trustnot9 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ToolsandTargets Your welcome, thats for sure ..

  • @danpatton3891
    @danpatton3891 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not enough velocity to expand the bullets. They may need at least 1025 fps to consistently expand.

  • @vashmatrix5769
    @vashmatrix5769 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for your through review.

  • @stevefisher2121
    @stevefisher2121 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Better stick with the federal hst- don’t think there’s a better personal defense round out there.

  • @Adam-nv9zo
    @Adam-nv9zo ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well, that was disappointing. Great video, as always, brother.

  • @timshelley8635
    @timshelley8635 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good test Tools!

  • @intelmike181
    @intelmike181 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Seems like HST is still the best "premium" defensive ammo.
    Thanks for the great work and information!

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😎👊

    • @papertiger6118
      @papertiger6118 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have to agree. HST, and PDX1's, seem to perform really well. I have the older Speer Gold Dots, and I like them. T&T's testing validates my faith in the older Gold Dots. But still, HST's just seem better when distance increases, or velocity is lower. My next purchase will probably be HST's since PDX1's are a bit pricey.
      As far as the G2 is concerned, they've failed in this test and every other I've seen.

  • @bobgaylord8883
    @bobgaylord8883 ปีที่แล้ว

    It would be informative if you could get a speed check as you fire into the gel block. It appears that the first 9mm round must have been just that much faster than the 2nd round, to enable expansion. There's quite a difference in speed from round-to-round. In any event, I find your testing to be super informative and the best on YT,. Thank you !!

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you sir. Just too much time and setup involved to do a 5 round speed average and try to put less than 5 rounds into the gel through the chrono. The extreme spread was only 29fps for both of these rounds. If 29 fps makes that much difference in performance, they're a fail all the same to me.🤷‍♂

  • @thomasjefferson4662
    @thomasjefferson4662 ปีที่แล้ว

    Top 3 rounds number 1 Federal HST
    The next 2 no order. Original Gold Dots and Golden sabers. Best 45 round 185grn golden saber +p most energy except for some buffalo bores maybe but they domt make the +p 185s anymore.

  • @TsunauticusIV
    @TsunauticusIV ปีที่แล้ว

    Wonder if the cold temps changed the stiffness of the polymer stuff in the tips of the rounds? Could you maybe keep the rounds against your body and then load them right into the gun and fire them while they are warm? Be interesting to see if the company forgot to see what effects cold would have on that polymer in the tip. Maybe the polymer got too thick and wouldn’t allow proper expansion? Idk just me wondering. Lol

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      If it aint warm enough after leaving the barrel of a firing gun, then that's some mean stuff.😆 These are just bad designs and weakly loaded.

  • @Mikelp73
    @Mikelp73 ปีที่แล้ว

    With the humidity it’s been frigid in our area. I switched to wearing a vest without realizing I had no long sleeve shirts. The wind is no joke

  • @S1deshowRob
    @S1deshowRob ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I remember seeing this stuff at a local big box and thinking “why would I spend more on that? My normal gold dots are fine”. I guess I was right. That overpenetration is scary, someone’s gonna get hurt or killed because of that. They should pull that stuff off of shelves

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, this stuff is a total fail for me.

  • @wildripeach1
    @wildripeach1 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would love to see you test the Winchester Rangers T-series with a MODIFIED tip 😉... could you fill one hollow point with simple Candle Wax 🕯 to one and perhaps fill one with bathroom Silicone chalking for sealing basins? Let see if the Gold dot Idea works for Winchester? 💡

  • @legacyAF
    @legacyAF ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm ordering 165gr .40 S&W Gold Dot original JHP's, hope they are more reliable!

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No doubt they will be. These G2 things are awful.

  • @geremi140
    @geremi140 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    im trying to remeber I saw a test of the original gold dot and the G2 45acp 200 gr hp, much better results then what you got. I see your results, hard to believe speer didn't research this? some other factors maybe?

  • @michaelmcmillan2776
    @michaelmcmillan2776 ปีที่แล้ว

    Speer Gold Dot has been my go-to. I have a lot of the old projectiles that I can reload. Staying away from the G2 very disappointing

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The OG Gold Dots are definitely fantastic.

  • @fredrauch1815
    @fredrauch1815 ปีที่แล้ว

    I use regular Gold Dot in my .40 and 9mm. I get great expansion in my gel testing. I'm thinking no need to "upgrade" to G2.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, the originals put these to shame.

  • @noneyabiz8225
    @noneyabiz8225 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Convinced that 1000FPS is the golden speed for consistent expansion. Throw in some thicker clothes and consistency goes down the tubes. I will stick with the external hollow points such as the Underwood Defenders +P+, especially during cooler weather. Great job as always

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you sir. These definitely aint it.

    • @RealtyPro7
      @RealtyPro7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That Underwood is tough to beat! It just works exactly as promised in all sorts or tests.

  • @curtk8130
    @curtk8130 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Speer charges a premium price for these and stuffing a little more powder in the case shouldn’t be an issue. Both rounds should be 50 plus fps faster

  • @lazygamer9725
    @lazygamer9725 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ain't much I havent seen the liberty civil defense rds do. I think I'll stay with those in 9mm 380 n 45

  • @jaredw289
    @jaredw289 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not looking good for the G2. I have used the 135grn hornady critical duty flex tip with very good results. Keep up the great reviews!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

  • @mghbg
    @mghbg ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the video ! Have you tried the .40 165grain Hornady Critical defense ? That's what I carry in my M&P 40 and from tests I've seen the speed is about 1200 fps and ft-lb is around 500 depending on the barrel length.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      If I have it wasn't using this cloth barrier yet.

    • @mghbg
      @mghbg ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ToolsandTargets Give it a try with the cloth barrier maybe?

  • @fortyofforty5257
    @fortyofforty5257 ปีที่แล้ว

    IMO, the reason for filling the hollow point with elastomer is so that it cannot be called a "hollow point" any longer. There is such an outcry about hollow points that Speer fills it and now, presto, it's not a hollow point. Does it work? Not so much. Will they sell? Absolutely.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      Another option for commie states.😎👍

  • @adonian
    @adonian ปีที่แล้ว

    I have 1 box of this 💩. I just don’t think it’s will expand with the hollow point NOT hollow. It’s filled with what looks like silicon sealant. I like the classic gold dots. Almost exclusively had it way back in the day (when ammo was cheap and I could shoot hollow points at the range). But now… I’m just gonna shoot the box at the range and look for more standard gold dot ammo.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, I don't know what they were thinking with this stuff.

  • @tylerealey1921
    @tylerealey1921 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder if would still be viable in a PCC. Great vid and thanks for the follow up shot on the 9mm!

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      The extra speed definitely couldn't hurt.

  • @BulletsB4Guns_2A
    @BulletsB4Guns_2A ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the Honest review Tools! Cool & fun video also...

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you sir. Appreciate you!😎👊

  • @billycrites23
    @billycrites23 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The G2 is not something I prefer to carry or shoot. I tend to stick with Gold Dot off duty. On duty we carry the Hornady Critical Duty, but I’m trying to get them to go to the Original Gold Dot.

  • @azazelakira12
    @azazelakira12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is not a good sight, maybe if they were +P? No bueno in this case tho

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Maybe with some more juice. No good like this.

  • @TheHillbilly1979
    @TheHillbilly1979 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Another good video… I like my 40’s in 155 or 165 grain and 9mm’s in 124 grain… thanks for the test!

  • @randlerichardson5826
    @randlerichardson5826 ปีที่แล้ว

    That’s probably the reason they didn’t expand one of the reasons the leads to hard. Same thing as a hard cast bullet. Thanks again Tools be safe and GOD BLESS

  • @raulhernandez2970
    @raulhernandez2970 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like the regular old school speer gold dot ammo 9mm 124 grain

  • @megatrends
    @megatrends ปีที่แล้ว

    We had -19F last night with 30mph winds making a windchill of -40F ... welcome to Maine and weird winters.

  • @gunsfugitivessecurity8357
    @gunsfugitivessecurity8357 ปีที่แล้ว

    From my understanding of these which doesn't make sense to me, these rounds were specifically designed for glass penetration and expansion. Which doesn't make sense to me because why would you want something that specifically only performs in glass

  • @paulscountry456
    @paulscountry456 ปีที่แล้ว

    Opposite of what I thought, at over a grand that 40 would open and that stuff in 40 is weak and inefficient. The nine for heavy had good velocity but I would not trust that stuff.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, I'll take the OG Gold Dots over this stuff, any day.😎👍

    • @paulscountry456
      @paulscountry456 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ToolsandTargets kind of a sorry Johnny come lately Critical Defence knock off and has a bad reputation, epic fail..lol

  • @mountainhobo
    @mountainhobo ปีที่แล้ว

    It would have been interesting to see a regular el cheapo round nose FMJ (not flat nose) for comparison.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      Unless it tumbles, it's a straight line like these fails.

  • @ram218313
    @ram218313 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    wow it looks promising the first jelly shot then went quickly down hill that’s disappointing. i was really worried about the canopy blowing away it was swaying alot with the wind blowing. as always thanks for the videos they’re informative

  • @grahamohea2424
    @grahamohea2424 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think I read somewhere that the G2 is designed to work from a 5 inch or longer barrel that law enforcement might be carrying, in the same way that a Critical Duty is designed to work in a larger barrel. All of the other testing I've seen with it has yielded inconsistent results. I'm sure they work fine in super long barrels, but for me, I would look for a round that would work well no matter the barrel length, given that I have multiple pistols to feed. From this respect, the G2s are overly specialized

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      They claim 4" on the 9mm and 5" on the .40 for their advertised velocities. Complete fail for this stuff

  • @scarifrougeone7225
    @scarifrougeone7225 ปีที่แล้ว

    Agreed. You would think Speer would have tested these as well before being called G2. However, I wonder for the 9mm what a 124gr. would do. Maybe the consistency would be there for that grain weight. Maybe the speed would push the cloth out. Yeah, I was really hoping the 2nd shot on the 9mm would been good as the first. That is some good intel there bud. Man, how do you stand that wind and the cold as well when trying to concentrate on what you are doing? Lol 😂 Be safe. 👍🇺🇸⭐️

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It was an absolutely nightmare dealing with this wind!😆😆😆

  • @haroldhatcher1239
    @haroldhatcher1239 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not consistent performance. That’s a no go for me.
    Thank You for another great video Tools

  • @cw2a
    @cw2a ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hahaha. -16 here last night!!! I think it made 6 all
    Day!! Stay warm brother!!!!!

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The wind is what gets ya.🥶🥶🥶

  • @jimsanders4412
    @jimsanders4412 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gold Dots, in general, are not my personal carry rounds, but I'm very familiar with the reputation of the original GDs. And, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!", is absolutely true! So, I guess I'll stick with my HSTs. 😀

  • @richki.24
    @richki.24 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks for the test ....

  • @waynepennington2769
    @waynepennington2769 ปีที่แล้ว

    I carry the Gx4 tell me is it pretty reliable to carry I know you shoot the Gx4 alot. An I do like the Gx4 over all them micro nines including the sign. People get on my last nerve they won't accept the Gx4 because Taurus made it affordable.

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      I love the GX4. Not a single problem with it.😎👍

  • @thealarmclock9307
    @thealarmclock9307 ปีที่แล้ว

    If a 40sw 180 grain load can't get at least 1050 from a full size barrel, it ought not even come to market
    I got 200 grain buffalo bore that get 1020 from a g22

    • @ToolsandTargets
      @ToolsandTargets  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, this stuff didn't impress at all.