Last night I dreamt I was trading some cards with Brian (never met the guy of course), and the end of my dream was just me saying "Look, I don't have anything you need I don't know why I'm here. Please let me just scuttle away in shame."
22:45 They didn't actually give it a blue border, it just has very ocean blue art and is borderless so it looks like it has a blue border. I personally prefer the old-border printing for exactly this reason.
Old? There has never been a non-artifact nonland colorless card before the 2003 "Modern" frame. And even then it looked the exact same as Nulldrifter does. I agree with your sentiment that the ocean backdrop wasn't best however.
@@Kicklance I presume they meant the "retro frame" treatment of Nulldrifter from the set, which invented a silver with blue speckles border for colorless cards precisely because there was never a colorless non-artifact before the modern frame.
@@drpibisback7680 Holy crap, thx. I was so confused what they were on about lol. I thought I had a pretty good handle on all the cards and various versions, but apparently not.
22:15 If you check the MH3 Devoid cards, Nulldrifter actually doesn't have the Devoid blue frame. It has a colorless translucent Eldrazi frame that just looks blue because of the water and sky in the art.
0:58 this is correct. Phyrexian Dreadnought received the same errata as Mox Diamond when 6th Edition rules came around and so it wouldn’t even come into play until you first sacrificed a number of creatures with power equal to 12 or greater. This errata was removed in 2007 along with a bunch of other power level errata (Remember Flash? Same thing). Before the 2007 errata the main way to cheat in Dreadnought was Illusionary Mask which was a strong deck in Vintage in the early 2000s.
44:16 A bunch of elves trying to fend off a Dreadnaught while the Allosaurus Shepherd frantically attempts to send dinosaurs to assist them might be the most flavorful thing I've seen in years.
Sweeeet I have been playing this on MTGO for a bit, glad to see it here. This deck plays like a true tempo and control deck, with surprise huge finishers. Very satisfying to play. Couple differences from what I've been playing - minus 1 Basic Island plus 1 Mystic Sanctuary, minus 1 stifle plus 1 Murktide
Plays control vs combo and aggro but can also speed up when needed. Unfortunately, pretty bad to control lists unless you get under them with stifle. A Narset in the board isn't a bad idea, Coval has 2 Hullbreachers in the board which I'm keeping my eye on for this vid. Doesn't play great with Dress Down but hey, neither does Murktide.
Leveling up in Magic goes something like this: lvl 1) Understand tempo, learn how to play for the submission. Think about how good you are at turning things sideways and winning fast. lvl 2) Understand permission, learn how to play for inevitability. Think about how smart you are. Scoff at those players who only know how to tap out opponents. lvl 3) Understand both strategies. Shift tactics based on the situation. Winning proves your skill, losing proves your luck. lvl 4) Focused only on optimizing, ego no longer matters. "Good" vs " bad" morph into "optimal" vs "suboptimal" while "winning" and "losing" become data points in your feedback loop.
At 10:02 you begin talking about how "good players play to submission" and etc. I think this is a great way to phrase it. The other way, which I've heard before, is: When you are ahead, get MORE ahead. If you have 7 answers in hand for their one card per turn, and already have inevitability, what is the rush? Sculpt more! This is how I approach playing Lands, embracing the "control" side of the "combo-control" archetype.
Regarding the round 1 discussion comparing to martial arts, and specifically. "losing is the worst thing" - It is important to remember the old "who's the beat down?" article. As control against some combo decks it can be right to tap out for a threat in the early turns because of you don't kill them you will die and sometimes you just need them to not have it that turn because if they do you are dead anyway.
It's worth mentioning that the time when the control player should tap out for a threat is the game when they don't think their control options will be sufficient. It can still be correct to hold back as control and dismantle your opponent, but specific draws or specific matchups where your typical control effects don't line up correctly with their combo can lead to you having to switch roles.
At 22:00 you talk about Nulldrifter having a blue border, I think its just borderless with a blue background of the sea. At the top you can see the white foam inside the border.
Played 3 Prismatic Ending main & one SB, and splashed red for the PEnding on 3 + red SB options. A solo Brazen Borrower feels like it’s lacking when the deck wants to consistently get rid of Chalice on One.
Seeing Bosh an Roll play is a privilege, it always gives the impression of having everything under control. Two considerations on the build the regent has never been decisive, do you no longer feel the lack of further removal? Prismatic- brazen? The manabase is solid and we have stifles to protect us from wasteland why not otawara ?
Around the 50:40 mark Bosh says that Temur and BUG play well with Nadu. What do they have that targets in those decks? Don't they need to switch out a bunch of cards to get in that interaction?
I especially enjoyed the talk about martial arts and submission players aiming to not lose into… forcing the Petty Theft and going for the win a few games later. ❤
A new player is eager to cast their cards. A good player understands card advantage. A great player knows what threats they are holding onto their cards for.
5:08 - I saw a match during that brief period of time where it didn't work and somebody brought it to a tournament. It was pointed out to them that it no longer works that way and I've never seen player so tilted in my life. Pretty sure he knocked over a chair and threw his deck.
I'm very excited for nulldrifter. Stiflenaugt has always had a lot of A's, but not a lot of B's. The deck has used Uro in the past, but Uro never felt quite right.
I wIsH yOu WoUlDn'T sPoIl ThE tRoPhY!!111! I love seeing that in the title because it lets me know that the run is going to be glorious, especially post-MH3. It's nice to know that you're able to tweak your list and get some new shit going.
Re: Rebel When I play, I always go for the submission hold. Slowly closer and closer to the inevitability of the end. I enjoy games the best when the match feels like a proper martial arts sparring match.
At the end of Round 1, I'm guessing the opponent had too many Red Elemental Blasts? Since unlike Pyroblast you can't just dump those on any target, and they likely brought in all they had in the board seeing you were naturally at least partially blue. That and maybe some Phyrexian Devourers as they are running Soul Cauldron so a one of Devourer for a sneaky extra combo kill makes sense to me? Only cards I can think of that make sense for that situation that Painter would run as they never had 6 mana to run out the Devourer. The only play that makes me unsure of this is them not fighting over the Force of Will, although that could have just been a 'lazy' play where they assumed the Welder could always get it from their graveyard at any time anyway, so spending the blast there wasn't worth it, but then you never play another blue spell and they die.
I've been playing mtg for decades and I'm still confused about interactions like this. Evoking the creature is somehow stopped by a Dress Down or DK Thrull? Wouldn't the entire ability resolve before it checks for other static abilities? But you are saying that paying for evoke is an ability from the card being in hand but when it hits the battlefield the second sentence of the ability doesn't trigger... I thought abilities couldn't be broken up like that. You have to trigger it in full right?
@@BoshNRoll you still win so I guess I'm just wondering if you think that would have been a better play. Seems like it made the game more challenging for you than it should.
r1 i really dont think we had to force the bauble. sure it turns off force but we cast pretty much every other spell in our deck outside of daze but 2 mana isnt terrible
my silly opinion: permanents costing upwards of 6 mana should always have abillities be on cast as long as the card is "Cast from hand without alternative costs". Would let control decks win faster and also encourage them to do so, (else they might get screwed by a random abillity) avoid the 1 trillion ways you can cheese out things being the way a creature is played make sure that no matter what reaching a long game plan has a reward for any deck unless that is accounted for with abillity based counterplay and also let a gruul deck do something in the older formats without shoe-horning in what feels like half a stacks deck. I feel like its either on cast triggers or a future of ever increasing cards with the text "Cannot be countered"
I’ve been working on some fixes and you should hear a change in the future. If you want to email me what you think is going on though, happy to check it out. BoshNRollStream@gmail.com
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But does the foil blade come pre-curled from the factory like pack fresh magic cards? 🤔
position before submission is what u learn in bjj. can u link who was talking about martial arts???
Brian telling me about ball shaving makes me feel some type of way
Last night I dreamt I was trading some cards with Brian (never met the guy of course), and the end of my dream was just me saying "Look, I don't have anything you need I don't know why I'm here. Please let me just scuttle away in shame."
@@thekevmeister77 Yeah, I don't have anything in my trade binder for a guy who just won a Black Lotus, lol.
It's the way he holds the razor
It's great that Bosh is trying to improve the grooming and aesthetics of the average mtg player
Gotta be fresh when ya sit at the table
It is an Eldrazi decklist, so the theme is on point.
next partnership: high-waisted pants, belts and suspenders
Instructions unclear. I have now manscaped my Alpha Bayou to shreds.
To shreds you say?
@@majormatt1I love me a wild Futurama reference
Atleast it wasn't your alpha tundra or volcanic island... those would be unforgivable lol
@@d43m0n412 Volcanic island wasn't printed in alpha (In case you didn't know)
This dude just can't stop trophying with stiflenaught
There's spoilers in the comments now too?? 😵
Spoiler was the cup in the image btw
And in the title of the video
@@JamesELLYale it's cropped out for us mobile users
@@darkblastal1744 I click play as fast as possible I'm not here to look at thumbnails I'm here to watch BnR videos
Talking out the strategy behind not playing murktide at 9:40 was pretty neat
That "playing to submission" is an idea I learned from your channel, and my blue winrate has soared since I started using it. So Thank you!
22:45 They didn't actually give it a blue border, it just has very ocean blue art and is borderless so it looks like it has a blue border. I personally prefer the old-border printing for exactly this reason.
Old? There has never been a non-artifact nonland colorless card before the 2003 "Modern" frame. And even then it looked the exact same as Nulldrifter does. I agree with your sentiment that the ocean backdrop wasn't best however.
@@Kicklance I presume they meant the "retro frame" treatment of Nulldrifter from the set, which invented a silver with blue speckles border for colorless cards precisely because there was never a colorless non-artifact before the modern frame.
@@drpibisback7680 Holy crap, thx. I was so confused what they were on about lol. I thought I had a pretty good handle on all the cards and various versions, but apparently not.
22:15 If you check the MH3 Devoid cards, Nulldrifter actually doesn't have the Devoid blue frame. It has a colorless translucent Eldrazi frame that just looks blue because of the water and sky in the art.
Brian staring into the camera and shaving his arm wasn't on my bingo card for today, but I'm here for it.
All jokes aside it’s cool seeing the channel get a more “mainstream” sponsorship, really shows how far it’s come.
@@owentucker6215he said before he's gotten sponsorships but didn't either agree or like the thing so he declined.
0:58 this is correct. Phyrexian Dreadnought received the same errata as Mox Diamond when 6th Edition rules came around and so it wouldn’t even come into play until you first sacrificed a number of creatures with power equal to 12 or greater. This errata was removed in 2007 along with a bunch of other power level errata (Remember Flash? Same thing). Before the 2007 errata the main way to cheat in Dreadnought was Illusionary Mask which was a strong deck in Vintage in the early 2000s.
Congratulations on your amazing Vintage win. I'm looking forward to your tournament report!
Congrats on the NYSE win dude, keep up the good work!!!!
woah really?!?! wow nice
44:16 A bunch of elves trying to fend off a Dreadnaught while the Allosaurus Shepherd frantically attempts to send dinosaurs to assist them might be the most flavorful thing I've seen in years.
I prefer to Manscape myself with a razor thin BLACK LOTUS!
got a good laugh out of me
Sweeeet I have been playing this on MTGO for a bit, glad to see it here. This deck plays like a true tempo and control deck, with surprise huge finishers. Very satisfying to play. Couple differences from what I've been playing - minus 1 Basic Island plus 1 Mystic Sanctuary, minus 1 stifle plus 1 Murktide
Plays control vs combo and aggro but can also speed up when needed. Unfortunately, pretty bad to control lists unless you get under them with stifle. A Narset in the board isn't a bad idea, Coval has 2 Hullbreachers in the board which I'm keeping my eye on for this vid. Doesn't play great with Dress Down but hey, neither does Murktide.
Love hearing “Life is good. Existence is joy.” in Brian’s signature monotone. Beautiful.
Leveling up in Magic goes something like this:
lvl 1) Understand tempo, learn how to play for the submission. Think about how good you are at turning things sideways and winning fast.
lvl 2) Understand permission, learn how to play for inevitability. Think about how smart you are. Scoff at those players who only know how to tap out opponents.
lvl 3) Understand both strategies. Shift tactics based on the situation. Winning proves your skill, losing proves your luck.
lvl 4) Focused only on optimizing, ego no longer matters. "Good" vs " bad" morph into "optimal" vs "suboptimal" while "winning" and "losing" become data points in your feedback loop.
I love tempo, I love Dreadnought, we're in for a good one today
The nadu elves deck is really interesting. I'm looking forward to how that deck develops over time.
Congrats on nyse man you’re the reason I’m getting into legacy and loved watching you when you are on coverage. I always learn so much
At 10:02 you begin talking about how "good players play to submission" and etc. I think this is a great way to phrase it. The other way, which I've heard before, is: When you are ahead, get MORE ahead. If you have 7 answers in hand for their one card per turn, and already have inevitability, what is the rush? Sculpt more! This is how I approach playing Lands, embracing the "control" side of the "combo-control" archetype.
Regarding the round 1 discussion comparing to martial arts, and specifically. "losing is the worst thing" - It is important to remember the old "who's the beat down?" article. As control against some combo decks it can be right to tap out for a threat in the early turns because of you don't kill them you will die and sometimes you just need them to not have it that turn because if they do you are dead anyway.
It's worth mentioning that the time when the control player should tap out for a threat is the game when they don't think their control options will be sufficient. It can still be correct to hold back as control and dismantle your opponent, but specific draws or specific matchups where your typical control effects don't line up correctly with their combo can lead to you having to switch roles.
My most anticipated deck from mh3. I will be upgrading my paper list to something similar to this one
Lol look I'm laughing at your new sponsor but legit, you get that bread.
There's nothing funny about being clean and smelling good!
Love seeing Dreadnought continue to do work, always been one of my favorite decks in legacy
The ad-read killed me. I love your vids man! Thanks for all the good work
At 22:00 you talk about Nulldrifter having a blue border, I think its just borderless with a blue background of the sea. At the top you can see the white foam inside the border.
Played 3 Prismatic Ending main & one SB, and splashed red for the PEnding on 3 + red SB options. A solo Brazen Borrower feels like it’s lacking when the deck wants to consistently get rid of Chalice on One.
Oooo this deck looks fun! Also congrats on the NYSE win!!!
Damn, he got 1st? Nice
Congratulations GOAT, doing such a marathon has been stunning to watch ❤
I love how the commons and uncommons of MH3 are just as important as the rares
Annihilator? Hardly knew ‘er!
brian staring into the camera and shaving his arm needs to be in the 2024 highlight reel
Seeing Bosh an Roll play is a privilege, it always gives the impression of having everything under control.
Two considerations on the build the regent has never been decisive, do you no longer feel the lack of further removal? Prismatic- brazen?
The manabase is solid and we have stifles to protect us from wasteland why not otawara ?
Around the 50:40 mark Bosh says that Temur and BUG play well with Nadu.
What do they have that targets in those decks? Don't they need to switch out a bunch of cards to get in that interaction?
Is it literally just Nadu + Shuko + Urza's Saga?
Love how this deck just gets to play a divination for free now.
I especially enjoyed the talk about martial arts and submission players aiming to not lose into… forcing the Petty Theft and going for the win a few games later. ❤
Game one off the ponder i thought "woah when did they print those cool gold boarder plows" im stupid
A new player is eager to cast their cards.
A good player understands card advantage.
A great player knows what threats they are holding onto their cards for.
5:08 - I saw a match during that brief period of time where it didn't work and somebody brought it to a tournament. It was pointed out to them that it no longer works that way and I've never seen player so tilted in my life. Pretty sure he knocked over a chair and threw his deck.
I'm very excited for nulldrifter. Stiflenaugt has always had a lot of A's, but not a lot of B's. The deck has used Uro in the past, but Uro never felt quite right.
I wIsH yOu WoUlDn'T sPoIl ThE tRoPhY!!111!
I love seeing that in the title because it lets me know that the run is going to be glorious, especially post-MH3. It's nice to know that you're able to tweak your list and get some new shit going.
bosh pack smoke em if you got em
This deck looks so fun. I want it!
Re: Rebel
When I play, I always go for the submission hold. Slowly closer and closer to the inevitability of the end. I enjoy games the best when the match feels like a proper martial arts sparring match.
Bosh today is smokin that 2nd lotus pack, insane that this is my GOAT
The ball trimmer looks good
dreadnought, the most winningest card
You should probably be running Otowara and/or Sink Into Stupor as additional flexible answers that exist as part of your landbase.
Was this the lawnmower you were talking about catching on fire?!
BoshNRoll? More like BoshNScape!
So watching this deck tech, what you're saying is that nulldrifter+food chain is +5 mana + draw 2
A manscaped sponsorship?!? Bosh is really moving up in the world huh.
At the end of Round 1, I'm guessing the opponent had too many Red Elemental Blasts? Since unlike Pyroblast you can't just dump those on any target, and they likely brought in all they had in the board seeing you were naturally at least partially blue. That and maybe some Phyrexian Devourers as they are running Soul Cauldron so a one of Devourer for a sneaky extra combo kill makes sense to me? Only cards I can think of that make sense for that situation that Painter would run as they never had 6 mana to run out the Devourer. The only play that makes me unsure of this is them not fighting over the Force of Will, although that could have just been a 'lazy' play where they assumed the Welder could always get it from their graveyard at any time anyway, so spending the blast there wasn't worth it, but then you never play another blue spell and they die.
nulldrifters card is actually colorless not colored blue. Its the ocean in the art that makes it seem like its blue
I've been playing mtg for decades and I'm still confused about interactions like this. Evoking the creature is somehow stopped by a Dress Down or DK Thrull? Wouldn't the entire ability resolve before it checks for other static abilities? But you are saying that paying for evoke is an ability from the card being in hand but when it hits the battlefield the second sentence of the ability doesn't trigger... I thought abilities couldn't be broken up like that. You have to trigger it in full right?
The tit for tat with the elf deck was particularly sweet
I'm kind of surprised we don't play some number of solitude, or other evoke creatures.
Man, I thought nulldrifter looked cute, I didn't realize it was The Truth
Do you think this deck could be viable in Vintage?
Manscaped was not the replacement for the NYSE. Also congrats on NYSE
I'm sad psychic frog isn't an Atog, but good play on words
God I love stifle-nought
Oh hell yea Driftnaught time!!
I liked pokemoki's version a lot!
I'm gonna guess Hullbreacher is in the sideboard for control decks that like to draw lots of cards?
So round three elves... dress down turns off Dryad Arbor's ability to make mana? I guess that makes sense but also feels unintuitive
Yup. It is a creature and tapping for green is an ability.
Dreadnought is King!
Dreadnull stiflenaught
Awesome deck 😮
Nadu in elves? Thanks legacy player, now I'm going to make Sultai Elves in Historic on arena.
Curious why Bosh doesn’t bring Stifle-naught to events when he trophies with every build of this deck lol
The greatest mystery
"casting divination is tempo"
What a cool deck
Thank you for trophying with a version not on Uro
At this point styfulnaght is tier 1
Why not Force the Nadu? Opponent ended up with a bazillion cards
These are long videos and I release a lot of them. I'll need a time stamp to find the spot you're asking about.
@@BoshNRoll 36:06 good sir
@@BoshNRoll you still win so I guess I'm just wondering if you think that would have been a better play. Seems like it made the game more challenging for you than it should.
r1 i really dont think we had to force the bauble. sure it turns off force but we cast pretty much every other spell in our deck outside of daze but 2 mana isnt terrible
my silly opinion: permanents costing upwards of 6 mana should always have abillities be on cast as long as the card is "Cast from hand without alternative costs". Would let control decks win faster and also encourage them to do so, (else they might get screwed by a random abillity) avoid the 1 trillion ways you can cheese out things being the way a creature is played make sure that no matter what reaching a long game plan has a reward for any deck unless that is accounted for with abillity based counterplay and also let a gruul deck do something in the older formats without shoe-horning in what feels like half a stacks deck. I feel like its either on cast triggers or a future of ever increasing cards with the text "Cannot be countered"
Oh my god this deck is sooo cool!!
love it
Posketti monsters
your audio has a ringing in it, i can help if you need to learn how to remove it
I’ve been working on some fixes and you should hear a change in the future. If you want to email me what you think is going on though, happy to check it out. BoshNRollStream@gmail.com
7:54 Well, technically you did not had a anihalator creature due to dress down. Misinformation confirmed.
Anyone else think he should leave out the "Undefeated" title from his videos? It kinda spoils the video ^_^!
I made a large post in the community section about why I do this if you care to find it and read it.
ayo Bryan, can I drop the stiflenought discord?
Yeah go for it. Sometimes TH-cam deletes commented links, but you have my blessing to try.
A manscaped sponsorship?!? Bosh is really moving up in the world huh.