Westbrook, Love, and Rose: 2008 NBA Redraft | Bill Simmons’s Book of Basketball 2.0 | The Ringer
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- The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Ryen Russillo to redraft the 2008 NBA draft, which is highlighted by Kevin Love, Derrick Rose, and Russell Westbrook.
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Bill “if you redo his career 20 times” Simmons
i can't believe javale mcgee and d.j augstine were drafted and went before mario chalmers and roy hibbert ..stunned shocked...what?....as a heat fan mario chalmers is our best pg ever just career wise with us...i get it tim was better talent wise but mario is our franchise pg all time just from longevity stand point and games played and meaningful playoff games he won us 63 playoff games...no one else has 40......come on bill and ryen...give him some credit for balls in a big spot...he has a national title 2 nba titles and all 3 titles as a starter ..no one else in this draft has that resume ...
@@razkable Yeah he really kicked ass being a mediocre spot up shooter next to 2 all time great players (and Chris Bosh)
@@razkable Rio was fearless and for that I will always love him
@@razkable Tim Hardaway says hi. Rio was nice but aside from being carried to a ring, dude was definitely not the best heat PG ever in terms of accolades, especially if you consider DWade's first year where he played a looot of PG.
@@razkable Chalmers has been out of the league for years and Javale McGee is not only still playing but just won another ring lol. Also Dragic >>>> Chalmers and it’s not even close
Russillo on Roy Hibbert...
“So basically because the other guy stands so far away I suck now.” Lmaooo
These redraftables have been the highlight of 2020
low bar to clear though, to be fair
volusiasorange lol fair point but they’re still really good!
@@The_Pedal_Guy agreed, i'm enjoying it
Also could be rewatchables nomination
Ryen always sounds like hes arguing with someone even if they are saying the same thing lol
Exactly lol
He's got that 'I'm better than you' attitude
Typical masshole
thats his shtick
🤣🤣🤣
You play D Rose's career 20 times he has a severe knee injury 19 times. It wasn't about the way he played, it was about the way he planted and landed.
Yes they are talking about that 1 time bro 3 years ago he was not playing 40 percent of his games
Exactly Rose was always going to get injured with the way he landed after dunks
@@charleswoodsongoat1258 or layups
Those flimsy ADIDAS shoes did him in.
Chi Sun rose's biomechanics meant that the rate at which Tibs played him significantly increased the risk of injury but not by much. rose is injury plagued for a reason and it has more to do with the way he lands.
This is probably one of the most talented draft classes ever and also one of the most disappointing.
A lot of excellent role players, but only a couple true stars
Been so excited for this redraft
Man me too I’ve always called it the deepest draft ever
I love everyone they do, I honestly look forward to them, their insight on the hindsight picks are amazing!!!
Tremendous draft
@@dutchmastah07 non of them lead a team to any playoff success (except d rose) how come they are the deepest draft?😂
@@StreeTHiPHoP131 pretty weak draft to be honest, the fact that the first pick is also the most overrated pg and the second pick is freaking kevin?!
I am from Chicago and saw Derrick Rose play in high school. He was a legend. I used to hear whispers of his greatness and the one game i saw he crossed a defender literally almost into the stands.
the chicago team is so stacked rose would come off the becnch..zeke wade ad aguirre cummings walker....sorry rose
@@razkable zeke and wade yea everyone else nah
@@Remy4722 our all LA team is all current dudes Harden, Baron Davis, Paul George, Arenas, Kawhi
BILL: If Eric Gordon went to any other team he would have had a much better career.
**Drafts Eric Gordon to the Clippers anyways**
man eric gordon had injuries...total what if...he had o.j. mayo's floor career basically that we all expected at least for o.j. to have at worst...its crazy
I loved watching Derrick Rose those first 3 years in Chicago. His game winner in Boston Game 1 that first year made me fall in love with the game as a high schooler.
he just was the new wave d wade...he played like wade as a rookie that 2nd half of the season when wade is putting up 23 6 and 5 like it is nothing
I loved how he blocked Rondo on that end of game shot, how Noah stole the ball and fouled out Paul Pierce that was also glorious. This series was a great one to fall in love with the game.
Love the Pero Antic shoutout @41:23. That Pacers-Hawks 1-8 series really did foreshadow the stretch 5 era even though the Hawks couldn’t quite pull off the upset
wasn't horford hurt?
What screwed Kevin Love the most was management in Minnesota
They could have had curry, Paul George, kawhi and a lot of other really good players in subsequent drafts but fucked it up every time
That ownership was so petty and toxic. Love was arguably a top 10 player in the league att and they were constantly hasstling him for not being able to drag their dogshit rosters deep in the playoffs. Pretty sure the owner pissed off and alienated Garnett too, who was the sole reason the team wasn't moved to a different city within 10 years of its founding.
Pre-ACL tear Rose vs. Westbrook wasn't even a debate it was Rose by a country mile.
Not really. He was better under control definitely & a pure pg
country mile tho? okay relax lmao
@MIkebears 23 and Rose disappeared from the league for 7 years.... I'll take Westbrook's career over roses 2 years
Tong Zou Rose’s MVP year he had Noah out half the year and boozer missed a bunch of games and they still won 60+ games, his stats weren’t eye popping but if you watched him he practically was the whole offense, in the playoffs players like Deng and korver really fell off a cliff and he couldn’t beat Miami alone, back then I don’t know anyone who would’ve picked Westbrook over Rose
Russ has outplayed d rose. Also ppl have to put this in consideration, Rose was the #1 pick, highly scouted and advertised heading into the draft/rooke year. While Russ wasn't a top high recruit & was projected as a reach taken at #3, he was supposed to be a project. He exceeded expectations by a country mile.
7k more points? Damn Westbrook murders this class 😂😂😂
just looked up the previous year, KD had 10K more than the next guy.
And there are people criticizing that Westbrook is underachieving
well all the other stars are injury prone so..
@@TheIcemanthomas that's fair
Let's not act like MVP rose isn't a notch better than Westbrook will ever be
Westbrook deserve 1 draft pick in hindsight but in different circumstances maybe drose would actually have a better career
@@tpsam no he wouldn't. Rose was only better slasher than Westbrook. Westbrook was better defender, better rebounder, better passer. Westbrook is a bad shooter but Derrick wasn't that good either. There is no way Rose would have better career than Westbrook. That Bulls team overachived in a bad conference and Rose shined as their main guy so he selected as mvp. Only they and Spurs won over 60 games and you know that Spurs, they just shared everything so noone shined that much. If media didn't care about winning like in Westbrook's MVP season, Howard would win that one.
The way Rose was able to orchestrate the offense with such control, be it scoring or dishing, during his peak year was amazing.
yeah people forget in college yes he had talent like dorsey cdr antonio and dozier but he was the reason they went undefeated for months
@@razkable So much fun to watch Rose play, so explosive and tough. I don't like Simmons saying Westbrook would have recovered from those injuries better than Rose
Seeing Rose resurgence in the last 2 years, i'd still gamble and take him pick #2. If he didn't got injured like he was, I could totally see him getting a ring.
Nah he wasn't getting a ring in Chicago, not with thibs and without a go to scorer besides him
@@dkmrap1 jimmy started coming up and got buckets
Davinio I disagree. Those bulls had a window. They were the last great true old-school team. I think they had a window until the 2014 Spurs and subsequent Warriors changed the game and made Joakim Noah’s, Taj Gibson’s, and Carlos Boozer’s respective games irrelevant. Rose before the injury was Iverson-level raw and talented.
@@theawesomewillyt they definetly had like a 3 year window with rose, noah, deng, boozer and butler, and this is taking into account the miami heat's big 3
he's been decent the past few years
Bill saying Love wasted his talents even tho they won in Cleveland is bizarre. You think Kevin would rather continue being a 20-10 guy on perennial losing teams? Doubt it.
he loves to knock lebron...notice how he said wade should of been mvp not lebron in 2011 lol ..hes trolling at this point seeing if lebron stans notice...i love it ..I see through him
he forgets they should have 2 titles ....he got hurt kyrie got hurt
Yeah....It seemed Bill contradicted himself when he says "I don't think he should've ever gone to Cleveland...." and then he says "But, if Kevin Love is putting up huge stats, I don't know if you're winning..." So, which is it? Good player that puts up great numbers on a bad team, or good player that puts up pretty good numbers on a contender? When Love goes to the Cavs, they go to the Finals four straight times, winning once, and maybe could've won in 2015 had he not gotten hurt. Also, Bill loves Lebron, but I've noticed that he trolls him a little more now that he plays on the Lakers. His Celtics bias is just so blatantly obvious...he does this w/Kobe too....He often says Pau should've been the finals MVP in both 2009 and 2010.
Asmosis Jones I mean D Wade completely outplayed lebron in the mavs series that’s a totally fair conclusion to make
@@mashwork6615 after 2 lebron mvps lol...d wade had a better series lebron had the better season
I'm already getting pumped for Embiid vs. Jokic in the 2014 draft.
Wish they would've went that far
These segments are great, I do wish that the fit of a player on the team was taken into account. These feel like more of a ranking of each player per draft instead of actually redrafting and giving how they would benefit they team they are drafted to.
interesting thought.
The Chicago Bulls weren’t going to take anyone but DRose that year. But Westbrook to MIA would’ve been fun to talk about.
this was the most entertaining redraft you all did. Thanks for the jokes. Some you did on purpose others were very inadvertent.
PS Pekovic was a damn good center for a short period.
I love these "redraftables". It's interesting hearing the players' career recaps, and they do it with dry humor, but in a respectful way. I wish they would record the full 30 of the first round.
Bill made a really good point about young kevin loves rebounding but I can honestly say I never remember him having quick feet ever in his career defensively
31:20 I was about to say...it was a blessing for him to learn under Nash
What an amazing series
Love these redrafts. It would be interesting to see these redrafts in print showing a 1 year, 5 year, and 10 year redraft of each class. With so many drafts, the order would change with a lot of late bloomers.
Russell Westbrook is the consensus number 1 pick in this class, but two and three? I would go for Derrick Rose personally over Kevin Love, but I won't argue with anybody taking Love. Who knows maybe Rose does not get hurt in another team and fulfils his potential as a great rival to Russ.
Rose got injured because coach Tom Thibodeau was famous for running his players into the ground by overplaying them, if you think back to 2008 through 2011 drose was way better then Russell, Russell rose because of rose being injured if rose goes on a different team his story would have been different remember he almost beat a heat team that had prime dwade, lebron and bosh, and rose best teammates back then were joakim noah, Ben Gordon, Nate Robinson and Carlos boozer who was on the downturn of his career because of injuries, Russell is a beast but has never accomplished more then Derrick with less talent on his team
It was the way he landed on his jumps that hurt him and cause the injuries. Landing on your heel instead of your forefoot like Russell does, that was the difference. Theres a lot of videos on this. Ja Morant does it the way Rose does too.
@Josh Ruiz which he could have been coached out of, if he was put in a different system or played for a different coach it would be a different story, thibodeau saw how drose played and never corrected it and over played him, the bulls played drose constantly to the last buzzer no more if they were up or not imagine him benefiting from playing for a coach like popovich or doc rivers
@@joshruiz809 the amount of minutes he was forced to play definitely played a factor though. He couldn't head 2 or 3 more good seasons probably if he didn't have to play so much.
There were seriously games where the good were up 20 in garbage time and Thibs was still playing him.
WildDanHibiki it’s fair to say he’s a better player now tho but idk rose is a weird case I think he gets hurt no matter where he goes bc he played so hard and when I say hard I mean hard on his body
What would your top three picks have been looking back at the 2008 class?
Westbrook rose love
Roy Hibbert 2nd best player on a great team
Rose, Westbrook, Love.
As the best player on a team, Rose got a team to the Conference Finals. As the best player on a team Westbrook couldn't get past the first round.
2020(G) “Respect and dignity.” Furthermore:
@@thomascrowniii1693 bro this is going by career and in 2019 Paul George was better
This was a really interesting class. Your now entering the territory where you'll need to project (or guess) how each players career will end.
It should be interesting to see if D. Jordan has a resurrection with KI/KD.
This my new favorite channel tho what a idea
This is a UCLA draft. Should have never fired Howland we haven’t sniffed Final 4 since
Until now
Simmons says "I hate that Love went to Cleveland, he was wasted there" then 1 minute later says "if Kevin love is your best player putting up big numbers you're not winning many games"
Not sure you can have it both ways Bill
I think he meant that Love could have a slightly lesser role than in Minnesota while still being Timberwolves Love. Post-ups, pick and roll/pop, grabbing rebound and outlet passing. It's true and sad but in Cleveland he was a Ryan Anderson, stood behind the line and was waiting for LeBron or Kyrie to pass him the ball.
They’re not mutually exclusive. Bill just means Love can’t be your best player but that his potential as 2nd or 3rd option and rebounder was not realized in cle.
Yeah this is the first time i can remember Simmons punishing a guy for adjusting to modern basketball faster than the curve. This kind of adjustment is what was needed for guys like Chris Bosh and Kevin Love to be the third best player on a title winning team.
I don't think Minnesota Love could have been the second best player on a title team because of how much of a siv he was on defense and he's really slow compared to other stars.
@@Weaponator18 Ironically, Love's greatest moment as a player is a defensive stop.
08 was easily one of the most talented classes ever but i injuries and off court issues derailed guys like Beasley n rose
If Giannis got hurt Brook Lopez would go back to being pretty bad. He's a center who can't rebound. A shooter who can't shoot. And calling him mobile is one of the craziest things I've ever heard.
Made My Day Bill!
Love this draft i do in general bc reminds me of guys havent thought about in awhile but alot of these guys actually still in the league one of the better drafts of last 20 years.
I can't believe Hibbert didn't even get picked. I take him 7th or 8th. In the 2013 playoffs, he started 19 games and put up a 17/10 with 2 blocks a game and outstanding defense for an Indiana team that came one win away from the NBA Finals and YOU DIDN'T EVEN PICK HIM?
Unreal.
Brook didn't have great rebounding numbers but you will notice generally his team rebounds when he is on the floor because he boxes out 2 guys.
Bills laughed at DJ im dead wtf that was bogus n funny at the same time
Disappointed in both of their takes on D Rose. Rose is still playing now, so it’s absurd to say he let the ACL injury defeat him.
Terrible takes. I would argue that the Clippers need him right now
He was forced to become an entirely different player because of it so in a sense it was but it reality yeah you are gonna be that guy after blowing your shit out
You may not remember the whole saga. It definitely did something really strange to him mentally.
Dragic was pretty low ... somehow they say how underrated and undervalued he is but yet stick him at #9 ?
That's where he should be
He def above Galo
I would've taken Eric Gordon > deandre Jordan
Any day for me
and Galinari, even ahead of both of them
and Dragić, I'm writing this as I'm watching the video LOL
One of the most overrated guy i have ever seen. He literally selected as all nba, this is why it should be 2 backcourt 3 frontcourt. He never been a top 30 guy in this league but he selected as all star and all nba. Even he selected on all defensive team while he is shitting on defense. And i want to tell something people don't understand, rebound isn't a defensive stat. Westbrook averaged 11 while he is shitting on defense. Doncic averaged 11 in first 20-30 games in this season. Literally if you play over 30 mpg, you can average over 5 rpg. You don't even have to big man. If you are over 7 ft and can't get 10 rpg, you are bad rebounder. They select him on all defensive team just because he led the league in rebounds.
@@abdullahkaanturker4656 but u got to be athletic
As a big Italian fan, I am biased - but I honestly think that Gallinari without injuries could have easily evolved in 25-8-5 kind of guy in a top-5 NBA team in his prime (not the best player of the team maybe, but second best or third best). His first 2-3 injuries really slowed him down. But his mix of ,powerforward frame, all-around offensive game (high level spot-up shooter with the ability to handle the ball and post), defense skills that do not hurt your own team could have helped a lot of teams and easily complement a lot of NBA superstars.
Also, NBA fans probably did not see him with the Italian national team, where he often is producing volume scoring, playmaking, defense, and has also moments of leadership and clutch.
You are not that biased, i think he could be similiar too. Maybe not like 25-8-5, more like 22-6-4 but similiar. Last 3-4 year, he became better in defense but in his early years, he was a hole in defense. Maybe he could better defender than he is now if he didn't injured that much.
Gal is awesome.. but he's not doing those numbers as the 2nd or 3rd guy, unless he's playing with LeBron, and even then..
The DJ augustine and Javale part was hilarious
its fun seeing what they saying now to the state of the players now like westbrook batum etc
I love these redrafts, but I swear Ryen Russillo is doing these video feeds from a prison. Dude's house looks so empty lol.
In 2023 as a redraft I’m taking Brook Lopez 1st. Leading scorer for the Nets all time and transformed his game to a champion and DPOY candidate in Milwaukee.
I don't see how you don't take Hibbert tbh. For a good 3 years he was not only an all-star and a DPOY candidate, but also LeBron's biggest stumbling block, and he could easily have been the key piece of a championship team. I'd take those three years over Robin Lopez's entire career any day.
Agreed especially compared to javale and Augustine, 2 all star nods are still better than 0
I call this class the all shit knees class every all star from this class has had knee problems at some point
You guys should redo the 2011 draft, it was considered a weak draft, yet it turned out to be one of the strongest in my opinion with guys like
- Kawhi Leonard (15th pick)
- Kyrie Irving (1st pick)
- Klay Thompson (11th pick)
- Kemba Walker (9th pick)
- Jimmy Butler (30th pick)
- Isiah Thomas (60th pick)
- Tobias Harris (19th pick)
- Markieff Morris (13th pick)
- Marcus Morris (14th pick)
- Tristan Thompson (4th pick)
- Iman Shumpert (17th pick)
After this re draft series is done rank the teams with the new players
My only complaint with Bill’s analysis is that he is using still FG% in this era and doesn’t even mentions EFG% and TS%. He is one of the best still though
God bless you
Kev Love to Miami actually would have been cool. They would have got him right into shape and he would have complimented Wade
Even though Kevin Love is always hurt now and on the wrong side of 30 I still think he's going to have a semi resurgence year next season. Depending on the offseason Cleveland has I can see him leading them to like 45 wins. That team just needs some wing defenders to make up for that back court.
Well you were right about this one
@@Tgaff99 damn I sort of was lol... although he's not leading them, he is having a solid resurgence year and they did find the defense to get them into the playoffs.
@@nerothelost9605 spot on? When did he lead the Cavs last season? he's a sixth man now
They were pretty harsh on the role players at the end of this list. Most of the guys they made fun of were/are better than a bunch of guys they've taken 10-14 in the other re-drafts
they did not draft hibbert or chalmers ...they drafted d.j. and mcgee....these guys are morons ..point blank period......backups over starters?...what are they doing?....
They're kinda Harsh on role players in all of these, which sort of rubs me the wrong way....Not everyone in these drafts is gonna be a star....just because you're not an all-star and a role player, doesn't mean you can't play....a lot of the guys they pick in all of these in the 10-14 range had solid NBA careers.
@@razkable Yeah, I didn't get that....both of those guys were solid for like a 6-7 year period.
@@elliemyers6435 mcgee has been a negative...hes just tall you can find him later on in a draft ...totally useless pick..d.j. was always a backup and ironically became a true starter in 2018 lol
@@razkable javale had a much better career than mario Chalmers get out ....Chalmers played like 7 less years
In my opinion Derrick Rose getting hurt change the dynamic of the nba. Had he stay healthy i don't think lebron would have gone to 8 straight finals, the bulls would not be in this rebuilding situation their in now and probably have at least two championships to their name.
Maybe yes maybe no. Thibs doesnt know load management. Look what happened to deng too... Got overused and misdiagnosed. Career got cut short
Aaron2334 every LeBron team since Miami has been better than that Bulls team...
really deep class through 10ish picks
Solid draft!
Rose, Westbrook, Love. Other PGs were considered second tier with Rose before his injury. Bulls gave the Heat all they could handle. Disagree injuries defeated him. Worked really hard to come back and is now enjoying a Grant Hill-esque second career. What happened to the 'good player bad team' analogy? Wolves best season with Love was 40 wins, and that was a clear outlier.
Also, shout out Bill, who makes a Celtics reference on every pick in this series, but choosing to ignore Kelly Olynyk cross armbreaking Kevin Love in the 2015 playoffs, costing that first Cavs team a true shot at Golden State. I still think GSW would win, but after Love and Kyrie go down, it's not even fair.
golden state was not mentally ready in 2015 to beat lebron if kyrie and love play they lsot 2 games to him without them 2 all stars......if conley is healthy they lost to the grizzlies due to lack of big game experience and if the rockets have beverly and domontas who knows they were hurt and huge factors that year...warriors probably win in 7 but then in the finals they are more tired the way the cavs were
Going into draft night this looked like one for the ages, while 2009 looked like a letdown. Must be a lesson in there somewhere.
same. i initially thought 2008 will be more successful than 2009. but here we are where today, curry and harden dominated as the best 1-2 in the 2010s decade.
harden blake and curry exceeded expectations....i never thought all three would be mvp caliber
@@macvincemosquera9616 russ is third but yeah rose man..injuries
Underapreciated class
That Toronto front court in 2019 was absolutely brutal.
And Valanciunas was already a decent player even then.
But when they traded for Gasol to upgrade defensively and could rotate between Gasol, Ibaka, Siakam, OG and Kawhi, how did anyone score against them?
Obviously OG wasn't as good as he is now but that's an insane 5some to try to score against.
Let alone the fact opponents had to deal with Lowry at the point of attack in the first place.
Honestly I wouldn’t bed mad if they went through 30 picks. These are gold even still 2 years later
Russ- makes you afraid to watch
Rose- makes you afraid to watch
Love- afraid
Other than Westbrook, everyone else under preformed. So much talent, never materialized.
love was fine...
Great point. Westbrook was viewed as a huge reach when he went I think 4th to OKC. He was a raw athlete who wasn't overwhelming at UCLA but he has one of the best motors of all time. He made the absolute most out of his talent.
D Rose first 3 yrs in this league was outstanding. No other Point Guard's wanted to guard him b/c they feared him. It's unfortunate when he hurt his knee during the playoffs. His trainer's should have had him doing Drop Landings training, & other landing exercises from different angles to properly teach him how to land properly during an uncontrolled environment in the game of basketball. Zion needs to learn how land better also being so explosive. I'm happy D Rose resurrected his career & making postive winning contributions to the team. He's a Winner & Hall of Famer to me.
Wow I hadn't heard the name J.D. Drew in a long time.
Bill likes to bring him up because he hit a grand slam during one of those Red Sox championship runs that validated his giant deal in retrospect. Drew was one of the most talented hitters of his era but ended up being an above average guy who should've been an MVP type guy. One of the most frustrating guys to watch day in and out and he finally showed up when the team needed him the most so everyone forgets about how much he underperformed his huge deal.
Okay saying Love going to Cleveland was a mistake is goddamn absurd. Yes he was a 20-10 machine in Minnesota, but he also was on a perennial losing team and never had that greater success. He goes to Cleveland, gets a ring and becomes a contender for years.
I'm sure Kevin values that more than any stat.
Simmons: “Kevin Love, to me, if he’s putting up huge stats I don’t know if you’re winning.”
Also Simmons: “Kevin Love was overqualified to do what he did in Cleveland and he should’ve stayed by the basket more.”
I mean, what did you want him to do? Be an offensive fulcrum on a team that never wins? He did that already.
It makes sense. I think love is a second option and should play near the basket if you want him at his best.
In cleveland they changed his game and it resulted in him being a third option.
Love is the type of player that would have been a lot more appreciated if he had come into the league 7-10 years earlier.
I’m still taking D rose #1
No
Why
Flukey injury
@@dubbs2300 but he got injured again
U would be fired as a GM immediately once u took Rose over Russ
My favorite draft class. Probably the 3rd best of this century behind ‘03 & more well-rounded than ‘09 but lacks the star power.
More well rounded? Holiday,Rubio,DeRozan,Green,Matthews, Beverley.Also 2011,2012,2007 are better too.There was a lot potencial in this class but at the end od the day is disapointment.
2011 is so much better
stupid question but if rose stayed healthy.. he would be number 1 right?
Yes cuz he actually had good basketball IQ. Russ never deserved the MVP and is still without it the Easy number one in this draft.
He has no basketball IQ in late game situations and OKC fans are finally seeing how a point is supposed to run a team and execute in pressure situations.. or maybe not jack up a three when up by four with 2 mins left and 16 seconds on the shot clock.
@@capitanawesome44 I'm srry I'm a lakers fan I damm sure know russ deserved mvp u lose a top 2 player and average a triple double 31 10 10 on a below average team getting them to the playoffs u capping
Love underrated he fit into whatever role his team needed him too and he doesn’t really have weakness could have played in any era imo
🤔 I oddly find myself agreeing with this thanks for this pov never thought about that
Yeah all facts
I agree that he is underrated as well but he does have weaknesses tho. He doesn’t play D that well and his game changed when his lost the weight, he was way better to me as a heavier player, in Minnesota he was a walking bucket
Cali Jones tbh he wasn’t that bad on defense
@@trewright58 he's not good enough to be your backline most of the time. He's maybe alright but a big man has more defensive responsibility now.
Kick out Batum for Dj, and put in Hibbert at #12, you pretty much got it right otherwise. Hibbert had a pretty good peak as a rim protector, even if he did become a liability once every center started shooting 3s, he has enough good years from 2008 to warrant him being picked over some of these other guys I think.
I would put Gallo and Dragic ahead of Lopez and D-Jordan but agree with the top 3 order
God I fucking love these. Can't wait for 09!!!
Imagine clowning a point guard that hit a game winner on a championship team in the playoffs
Gallo had another one of those years helping a team be better than they should the very next year after this where he helps take the hawks to the conference finals
35:10 that pick reaction, 100% accurate lol
Eh, these last two years have validated dk a good bit
These are just Russillo reading season averages for 40 minutes
If rose doesn't get hurt, he's 1 or 2 but klove has proven he is the number 2 pick in this draft.
Man, this draft class was nice
2009 was better
Roy Hibbert is the worst player to ever make an all-star team. And he made two...
Please tell me how he has less of an impact than Jamal Magloire. This guy spear headed a top five defense and that alone makes sure he is better than some all stars. He lost all confidence when a teammate (cough PG13) allegedly slept w his girl. After those rumors that year came out he couldn’t make anything around the basket.
kevin love on the spurs is winning and is probably a 1st ballot hall of famer. he would've beeen used right by a coach who appreciates the inside game.
I think the best way to put it was Rose had a hall of fame peak but not a hall of fame career.
D rose peak isn't even top 10 all time
Eric Gordon was market corrected by CJ McCulloum
My list I did pre hearing the pod:
1. Westbrook
2. Rose
3. Love
4. Ibaka
5. Gallinari
6. Lopez
7. Jordan
8. Gordon
9. Dragic
10. Hill
11. Batum
12. Hibbert
13. Courtney Lee
14. Ryan Anderson
I’m thinking about that clippers team before cp3. I wonder if Bledsoe, Gordon, Blake, Jordan got a chance to grow together for a couple of years, i wonder if they would’ve developed similarly.
That Brook Lopez pick has aged well!
As of 2021, he's got as many rings as Rose, Westbrook, and Love combined.
Lol that's a cute trick. Lemme try....
DRose has as many MVPs as Lopez, Love, and Westbrook combined. How's that sound
@@whodat787 what about games played? rose was mentally weak man.
Being from chicago and knowing how big rose was for the city , and how good he was at his peak , i don’t think the bulls ever draft russ ahead of him. Even a redraft would be rose i’m positive
Would’ve had rose in Miami. Imagine him teaming up with D Wade. Alongside having close access to Tim Grover, arguably the best trainer in basketball who trained D Wade and Kobe. He would’ve recovered much faster or wouldn’t have gotten injured at all.
miami could of had rose wade lebron bosh...then lebron's declaration of not 5 not 6 sounds real ...like truely..they get 7 at least
Tim Grover was horrible for wade. He only got healthy his last couple years after he moved on from Grover and to David Alexander. Google it, David is the guy who helped victor oladipo become an all star
I'd take D rose first and immediately force him to change his jumping and landing mechanics
Not what this is about tho. You're redrafting due to their careers
@@tylito4764 no they already said in other episodes something like "I feel like in this TL it goes different"
In a world that exists where Derrick rose doesn't get hurt, no point guard today, and I mean none, wants to see him.
Augustine and McGee was hilarious
i still can't believe these 2 are still in the nba....i always thought they were trash when they were younger...for a long time....
Finally Ryen said something that sums up all these so called superstars past and present...."What do these numbers really mean when you're not winning"...Let's start ranking all these players on their accomplishments and not the fact that they play hard or they can dunk hard...Just win baby...
It's a solid class though
d. rose man given how much athleticism he lost and how much of an adjustment he made to the reality of his career. really an incredible player and story
A year later Batum was pretty good playing really meaningful minutes as center for a title contender...
First pick Orange juice mayonnaise, second pick rose third pick Westbrook, 4th pick Kevin love, 5th pick Brook Lopez, 6th pick George hill, 7th pick gallo, 8th pick Gordon
I forgot Dragic and DeAndre.... Just forget about Gordon and make DeAndre 9th