I think moss' leaf tail comes from the need to process oxygen. With the sirehound being older and similar to normal earth dogs it already had the systems to process oxygen.
Your theory is good, but I'd like to say a few things about it. Leafs perform photosynthesis where they take in carbon dioxide and release oxygen to produce glucose in high levels of light (day) , but in very low levels of light (night) perform aerobic respiration to break down the glucose they made using oxygen into carbon dioxide, water, and energy. Also it is stated in the piklopedia that pikmin breathe through the pores on their skin, maybe the leaf photosynthesises but I'm not sure how it would work when they're a bud or a flower as those a parts of a plant solely for reproduction and pikmin reproduce using the onions. Perhaps Moss and Oatchi are just able to breathe oxygen with their lungs (or maybe just Moss). However, Oatchi could be breathing something else like nitrogen or carbon dioxide. All in all, your theory is quite good. I just wanted to put my opinion out there
@@superray9499 I have my own theory personally, the Pikmin can reproduce without onions and Pikmin with Onions essentially have their reproductive capabilities shut off. The Pikmin, Onions and Candypop Buds are all interrelated and yet they are all separate species in separate taxonomic families as seen in the piklopedia, I believe that the Pikmin started off as simple social creatures with non-eusocial social structure before making their home in a plant that in order to avoid nocturnal predators that hunted the plant-like Pikmin chose to fly into the upper atmosphere where nothing could reach it, the Pikmin then found it advantageous to hitch rides on the Onions for their own safety as well, this eventually led to a codependency where the Onion fed on the nutrients the Pikmin brought to the Onion, the Onoin helped facilitate reproduction and act as a safe location to retreat to during the night. Now to where the space dogs come in, notice a feature of both Oatchi and Moss that they both share that neither the Ancient Sirehound nor real-life canines share. They can whistle. The descendants of Moss and Oatchi when they broke off from the Sirehounds line found it necessary to be able to pucker their lips and release a high pitch noise, a noise the Pikmin just so happen to respond to. The space dogs evolved to lead hordes of Pikmin, at some point a liniage was transplanted to Gaia and lead to Oatchi, while another remained with the Pikmin and further adapted to work around the Pikmin. There are many real-world animals that actively live in or around ant nests, these creatures usually mimic the colonies' pheromones so the colony identifies them as a member, what I believe the leaf is is a method of photosynthesis/reproduction that is repurposed by eusocial Pikmin as a means of identifying and communicating with members of the colony through chemical signals, this is why the Leaflings are all so obsessed with Dandori, they are practically being beemed a constant stream of chemical information that only a dandori master could hope to process. It's likely the space dogs are just naturally inclined to grow leaf tails when around Pikmin as a response to chemical stimuli.
According to a log, Collin and Shepherd Siren Hound is said to be incredibly old to the point it must have grown lonely till it met Louie, the reason why the Siren Hound was so loyal to Louie cause with how old it was having had no friends or family, it probably got really attached to Louie since it was probably the first friend he’s had in his entire life
Theory, since all the bugs, and creatures and the sirehound look so different and the sirehound is old, what it was a dog that was tested on to the point where it probably is immortal. And the people who tested on the dog could've been responsible for all humanity being missing and bugs like lady bugs, to become bulborbs. And after Pikmin 3 olimar did get his ship back but most likely spent a lot of time on chocolate that he forgot about them which is why in the logs he says he named yellow Pikmin "yellow Pikmin" instead of ear Pikmin like in Pikmin 1 and most likely also questions if the sirehound is related to Oatchi and Moss for that reason since it's more different than before
something that may be worth noting that i feel like people forget a lot is that the characters and pikmin are really small, so the ancient sirehound is very likely just the size of a normal dog
Even a small dog like that would TOWER over the Sire Hound though. Perhaps evolution deemed larger creatures like dogs and humans no longer necessary to survive in such an environment that they either went extinct entirely, or got smaller through the course of natural selection.
@@BugLivestreams the small size is due to food scarcity. Nature in all living things come from scarcity not abundance. Thats where the adaptation came from.
I believe that the leaf tail comes from being in close proximity to Pikmin for a long time as Oatchi only gets his leaf after quite a bit of time with the Pikmin. The onions and Pikmin can be parasitic (rock,bulbmin, leaflings) and in Olimar's notes he suggests that onions absorb an steal dna from what is brought to it and that could be how new pikmin types are made. So maybe once a creature makes direct contact with pikmin for long enough, and help carry stuff to the onion, using the ability to give pikmin dna to other creatures (which is shown with leafings) the onion transfers dna to the creature giving it a leaf so it may continue to help the pikmin. The reason the ancient sirehound doesn't have a leaf is that he entirely pre-dates pikmin and he has never come into contact with them. The reason moss has had a tail since birth is probably because her parents got the leaf and passed down the leaf genes to her, making it impossible to get rid of. Well, that's my theory for the ancient sirehound and the leaf tail.
If that is true, their could be another explanation for why leaf individuals can't leave the planet. Being part pikmin means they can't go too far from the onion.
@@FlareXbass Moss' ancestors likely interacted with the Pikmin and their onions, which imbued them with Pikmin DNA, which they probably passed down to Moss. The Sirehound presumably has never interacted with the Pikmin, so he wouldn't have a leaf tail.
If I am not mistaken, Sheperd mentions that even if they raised the dogs for centuries, She ignores where are the actual origins of their species. Also Olimar mentions that maybe the leafication may be related to the pikmin exposure.
The deadly red haze emitting from the Smokey Progg and the Ancient Sirehound's final phase is canonically dubbed 'gloom' by the loading screen hints. The name, texture and coloration all resemble the substance of the same name in The Legend of Zelda; Tears of the Kingdom. I don't know what this implies from a lore stand point (Do Zelda and Pikmin share the same universe like Mario and Donkey Kong do?) but from a meta point of view it makes sense, given the two games were being developed by the same time, and a lot of Pikmin 4's presentation takes heavy inspiration from BotW and TotK. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that some ideas were borrowed. It also explains why it can kill white Pikmin; it's not poison, but something else entirely.
I had the same reaction but I disagree because of all the Ganon’s we see only this one is able to make gloom bc secret stones and it would be so far in the future at least 2017 for there to be Nintendo switch joy cons I believe it is an Easter egg
Its a negative spiritual material, like anti matter, is "destruction"(and darkness) while the possitive is the green one(creation/materialization/light) thats why the gloom pikmin are that color
Gloom was in the first pikmin games Good theroy vut it holds no weight Pikmin series really cares about ecology so having gloom ve something you get from a dark lord makes no sense
I have a theory about the humans still being alive because in the entry for the Nintendo switch controller the entry says it’s still vibrating which could mean that humans are still alive and one human is trying to find the controller and they might just be in the bunker or we just don’t see them
bigger evidence in the giant's hearth a tent is still set up (in the background) that must mean a human had to recently set it up because that wouldn't last long on it's own.
An idea i like is that the house looked too intact to be fully post apocalyptic, however it could be from a place that was evacuated in a hurry leaving behind all sorts of non essentials like some food, the treasures or even .....a dog. As for where the evacuated to maybe a bunker somewhere or maybe into space
Question then would be how long ago did the evacuation/apocalypse took place since their would be slot of dust everywhere and that house looks relatively freshly cleaned
Since Olimar said the glow sap could be the cause of the smoky progg coming from a mamuta egg, maybe the ancient sirehound's parent/s ate the glowsap too, which gave it that deadly poison and possibly its other elemental powers, this could explain why the sirehound only has two legs instead of four like a normal dog (a mutation), and it could explain why it doesn't have a leaf tail, as shown by the koppai castaways, drinking the sap before being leafified makes it to where nothing happens when you get put through an onion/when you meet the requirements to grow a leaf tail. The reason why the progg and the egg are green might be because of glow sap, though it doesn't make much sense how glow sap that glow pikmin take part in creating + a creature that helps bloom pikmin would make something that instantly kills every pikmin, even glow pikmin...
I think Gloom, the substance that the Progg & Sirehound can produce is a distilled Glow Sap...distilled to the point it takes on a somewhat gaseous but viscous state, like liquid air but the issue is this distilled version is extremely toxic as all the restorative properties have been removed through distillation...hence why even glow pikmin can't touch it, its too dangerous for them
The nectar eggs must be normal mamuta eggs, which means pikmin eat underdeveloped animal eggs to survive 💀 If this is true, what are the gooey guys from Secluded courtyard... or worse, the FOOLIX???
That red substance kills all cuz it’s not ‘Poison’, it’s ‘Gloom’. Smokey Progg introduced the insta-kill ‘Gloom’ in Pikmin 1, it just took this game to solidify that. Also, Moss is thought to be foreign to PNF-404 and brought here initially by the Sage Leaf. Also also, Oatchi isn’t infected by radiation, it’s exposure to the Pikmin/the Onion. Moss is infected the same way as are Bulbmin.
Actually no... Bulbmin are not the same as Oatchi and Moss's lead tails. Bulbmin are literally parasitic Pikmin imbedded into the spines of the adolescent Bulborbs using their roots to control them. The leaf tails and leaflings are caused by alterations in their DNA, on a microscopic level.
I believe leafification is related to the Pikmin, specifically being absorbed by the Onion or via direct contact of the Pikmin, this explains why this particular Sirehound has no leaf tail. The reason the captains are unaffected is that they wear spacesuits
@@gavros9636 so maybe, the atmosphere on PNF 404 is extremely thin, letting in large amounts of UV, which prompts organisms living on the surface to grow leaves so they can withstand large amounts of it. Edit: rereading it, I don't know how that makes sense.
My theory is that Moss' origin is in some way related to the Sage Leafling, since we know he's been on PNF 404 for a very long time and is wearing a space suit. Since there's so much ambiguity regarding his character origin this idea is as solid as any dream theory, but I think the Sage crash landed long ago similar to Olimar and had his own initial adventure or simply almost died and was leafified, and when he arrived on the planet he brought either Moss or one of her ancestors. It's not known for certain that Moss was born on the planet, just assumed since Olimar found her there and he was the presumed first person to visit it. We don't know for 100% certain that the Ancient Sirehound is an abnormality for space dogs size wise, since we've only seen 3 (4 if you count Bulbi). Oatchi is very clearly a juvenile while Moss is obviously more.mature, but she very well could only be slightly older than Oatchi since she's only a bit bigger. For all we know space dogs could reach the same size as the Ancient Sirehound under the right conditions, just like how they can grow a leafy tail. I think Moss is a young pup that either crash landed with the Sage Leafling long ago on PNF 404 or is the descendant of one of his dogs. The reason she is leafy is the same as with Oatchi, likely due to the influence of Pikmin and their tendencies for parasitism.
I have my own theory about the extinction of the humans in the Pikmin world, but for the sake of brevity, I'd just like to point out what happens to enemies you kill at night versus during the day. Their bodies completely dissolve, leaving nothing behind except a few glow pellets for the larger creatures, much like how a Pikmin leaves no body when it dies. I believe this reaction is related to how the humans seemingly (or perhaps LITERALLY) disappeared overnight.
It's my theory that the reason the Sirehound is still alive despite seemingly being the original space dog, which would likely put it at thousands of years old at least, is due to the weird effects PNF-404 seems to have on time. Consider this- time seems to pass differently for different things and in different places on the planet. Time is slower in caves, Pellet Posies grow back weirdly fast, humanity is completely gone but everything they've created is relatively intact, and one of the treasures is straight-up a fried egg and it somehow hasn't gone bad yet despite sitting outdoors for who knows how long. I think that the effect this time dilation has on the Sirehound is drastically slowing its aging process, and combined with the fact that the Sirehound spends a lot of its time in a cave, further slowing the process, that means that it could theoretically live for millennia. On a related note, it's possible that the reason humanity is (probably) extinct is just because the time dilation caused the human race to evolve rapidly or increased their aging to the point where they weren't able to replace the population before they all died of old age. Where this time dilation comes from is still a mystery, but I suspect that the Umibozu is involved somehow.
maybe humanity still exists, but has been stuck with an extradimensional problem that is warping things, considering space travel is described as folding space time, and wraiths are mentioned to be from a different dimension that needs to be hit with a conveniently purple pikman slam frequency to be brought to this reality, it's highly likely humanity was folding reality for space travel then ripped a hole in reality that bled over various extradimensional things that have rapidly mutated, become parasitic, and messed with time (or even reversed it) through gravitational wells it's highly likely that if humanity was secretly experimenting with ED travel and botched it, we'd both never see the facility and would se reality bending on a massive scale leading to new life that is able to both exist/evolve existing life while parasitically leeching other life, meaning pikmen might be a thing humans use to fight this invasive reality war on the insectoid level. if that is false, the world might just be caught in some well like an invisible black hole that has "frozen time" and also makes things like computers for autopilot or object warning so buggy they cant identify anything existing until they are caught in that well, but since you can "fold" space for space travel, it means you can hop out of the eclipse easily... in which case humans may exist but the sense of reality is frozen due to gravitational pulls of black holes being theorized to be so great, you could stare out and witness the end of the universe in a few seconds, meaning to hop into it and go onto a planet on the edge of the well, you might perceive everything in normal rates and if you came back, it may have completely changed face as a result of time dilation this second idea means humans might very well be alive and well, but since time on objects is based on mass of an object, the smaller creatures might be moving so damned fast that a human is simply perceive misplacing an object that was taken by pikmen moving at perceivable faster than light speed, meanwhile pikmen and the crews might be moving so fast that larger moving objects are perceptually non-existent due to them being so slow that they simply "were never there"
@@dynamiteicecream2728 It's a whole big theory about the reason ships keep crashing on Earth in Pikmin, it involves... a lot of stuff honestly, most of which isn't really integral to the theory
A few things I think are: Louie likely controlled the sirehound due to the sirehounds eyes changing from red to blue in its normal form; The smoky proggs egg is likely a mamuta egg that WAS still growing the mamuta until radiation effected it and mutated the baby mamuta, making it grow differently due to radiation. This created the toxic gasses the smoky progg emits and why it looks so different. Mamuta eggs are likely white eggs with black spots or plain white eggs, but the radiation likely changed that. The sirehounds final phase IS likely poison, but too much for white pikmin; And they should've added water to the final boss. That's all from me today.
It might be a case of maturity as to why they don't have leafified tails, since Oatchi matures over his time on the planet's surface, he matures and gains a leafified tail
I’m more convinced the reason that the Sire hasn’t grown a leaf tail is probably because it has consistently eaten Glow Sap, which at least applies to its abilities to fly and use dark mist, since they’re both glow-related abilities
Plus we know that the Koppaites were immune to leafification after eating it... Now that I think about it, maybe that's why all the enemies on the planet are attracted to the glow sap. Because eating it is the ONLY protection against becoming leafified by the Pikmin. 🤔
My current theory is humanity left PNF-404 after using all natural resources at the time. To avoid mass consumption of other plannets we literally shrunk ourselves to a 100th of our size so we consume far less. We had brought a lot of stuff with us of course, including these dog like creatures bread to be pets and work hounds. So all the stuff we see in pikmin is what we left behind. The planet evolved without us. With obvious time distorting events happening both underground and in sheltered areas, evolution made some unusually fast jumps. Nevertheless earth still can't support fauna of our size anymore. With the largest now only being the size of a boot at best. The fact everybody crashes on PNF-404 also means ancient humanity did not want people coming back. Something is either deffending the place, or the distortions get every pilot that isn't expecting it the first time. Finally, id love to see a story with Louie staying on the plannet so whenever more visitors arive they go to him first as a guide. He hates it but it brings in megapokos so he tolerates it and becomes the first true earthling human in forever.
I thought the term "ancient" might be referencing that it's an older breed. This dog in particular might not be super old (it might just be a matted, overgrown, stinky dog that's lived in the wild), but it's species- it's breed might be older. Like comparing a Chow-Chow (which dates back to 200BC) to an American Hairless Terrier (first born in 1972). So perhaps this dog is just our example of what the "original dog" looked like.
My theory is that the reason the Sirehound isn't leafified like Moss is because it eats Glow Sap. Because we know from the Koppaites that eating the Glow Sap makes you immune to becoming a leafling... And that's probably why all the creatures are so hyper-focused and attracted to the Glow Sap at night. Its the only protection against the leafification process. That would explain how only Moss and off-world creatures like the Captains and Oatchi are vulnerable to it. Its likely a microscopic spore-like infection that comes from the Pikmin... Maybe they're more sinister than we think.
I think the Sirehound IS leafified but just in a more advanced state, it’s fur looks more leaflike then the fur of Oatchi or even Moss, also the Sirehound’s tail resembles a budding flower a bit
The Ancient Sirehound has a collar for it. Radiation theory really does work with the power and green glow, as it’s not poison that the red stuff is as the Poison Pikmin die when touching it
For space dogs being everywhere... it's kinda dark but you don't necessarily need a creature to be alive to breed it. You just need its DNA. what if other travelers simply didn't return to PNF when their dogs seemed sick and they just died? The corpse was brought back to their planet, studied and cloned. Those clones could be cloned or have babies of their own through inbreeding or a compatible species
Something interesting I haven’t seen mentioned are the suitcases by the door in the house level. It kind of implies the occupants were in a hurry to leave. I’m not sure how, but I feel like the Shepard family logs seem to imply the little people we’ve been playing as (and their dogs) are from Earth. Why they shrunk, I have no idea, maybe space travel does that?
I think what causing the tails to become a leaf is because due to the pikmin. Maybe oatchi is slowly become like moss due to her being near the pikmin.
The only question I have is this: WHY WAS OLIMAR HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE, WHY DID HE COME BACK AGAIN. Did he finally buy his SS. Dolphin and then the president was like "Go back to that planet and find me some more treasure". Is that why he crashed here, found Moss, and then got stranded here again? Also how did Louie get here?, there was only enough room for 1 person on plum are ship, how did Louie get here?
I think the reason why the Ancient Sirehound doesn’t have a leaf tail is because it has an immunity to the oxygen in the planet’s atmosphere, and since it’s a very old being, there’s a chance that it developed this immunity as it grew. And about the elemental abilities the Ancient Sirehound possesses, I believe that it gained these powers through consumption of the various insects found in pikmin, since some enemies have ice, electric, fire, and poison properties, and the Ancient Sirehound is dog which is a carnivorous species, then it could have gained these powers from eating these insects
Anyone notice the amount of artifacts that shouldn’t be around if humans were gone for so long? How many perfectly intact pastries have come across? Stoves left lit?
I've heard the term gloom being used for the effects of the progg and sirehound, and i think that's what the game files call it? Olimar also explicitly says that oxygen is poisonous in the first game, so I feel like it's not radiation that's doing it. The progg drinks glow sap so there's ca good chance the sirehound avoids leafification that way too. Moss being so small compared to the sirehound could also hint that her smaller part of the space pup family might've arrived on earth at a later date and adapted through a leaf tail independently of the sirehound
We can't see the leaf tail because I think Sirehound himself is the largest leafling on PNF-404, or at least in the explorable areas, if he was a Shih Tzu dog back in the days, after the nuclear fallout he had adapted the radiation and changing himself into recent state, and the collar also being the activator of his hostile state, my theory is that Sirehound maybe a surivor Shih Tzu also being a rescuse pup for some sort during the nuclear fallout, and explorable areas are polar opposite of the nuclear crash site, Pikmin can grow in the safe zone but not outside, while Sirehound adapted a little bit hence he can shoot out radiation fire that instant kill Pikmin
It’s said the onions can incorporate pikmin dna into some organisms so it may be that moss’s ancestor gotten absorbed by an onion and turning into a “leafling” or a “leaf pup” so to speak and when these leaf pups kept breeding their tails could no longer return to their normal shape due to many generations of being a leaf pup (though I’m not sure about leaving the planet, my guess is because it’s part pikmin they can’t leave low orbit because the onions also cannot leave low orbit)
As for why Moss has a leaf tail and the space pups that were taken by explorers maybe didn't, it could be because a leaf tail is a recent mutation. That doesn't explain how Oatchi would develop one spontaneously, though 🤔
Apparently the red poison is called... Gloom. How strange cuz it's extremely similar to what's seen in the legend of Zelda: tears of the kingdom. Red, misty, dangerous to touch. Am I seeing a pattern here?
The Sirehound can't use Water or Poison...those are the two main hazards he can't use, his hazards he can use are Fire, Electricity, Ice & Gloom but...if the sirehound is related to Moss & Oatchi somehow, could they use hazard powers? also it is likely that Moss wasn't born with a leaf tail, but has had a leaf tail for so long that its become embedded into her DNA, preventing any cure from working also simply the fact that we only see two dogs native to PNF-404, it must mean the Sirehound is Moss' father
I don’t think humans are actually extinct. I thought that in 2, with the underground areas possibly being fallout shelters where humans survived for a while. But this game takes place in someone’s house and back yard with us seeing areas that look pristine and lived in. Over and over while exploring the house I thought the owners are going to be so confused when they come back and find their place looted. One thing I noticed is there’s a treasure near the entrance to the Cavern for a King that’s a dog food dish (empty), and maybe I was just negligent when exploring that area but I didn’t notice it until the cave with the ancient sire hound spawned. I think between the bowl and the collar that the hound is someone’s pet and that they’re actively taking care of him. Heck while the cavern might technically be listed as “underground” you can see sky, this isn’t a lair deep underground it’s part of someone’s yard. I think humans still exist, but on a scale so massive we don’t really process them or have to worry about them. The leafification seems to be tied to interacting with Pikmin. Most likely it’s actually a parasitic Pikmin species like the Bulbmin in 2. The Bulbmin were able to completely control young bulborbs but not the adults so a Bulbmin type infection might not have effected Oatchi’s behavior. The leafification itself also happens after Oatchi has been interacting with Moss, who is infected, as well as Ice Pikmin and Rock Pikmin, both of which are listed as parasitic Pikmin species. For how someone got uninfected space pups and why the sire hound isn’t infected: well assuming humans are still alive they probably have a treatment for the leaf tail, in the same way humans might treat pets for worms or fungal infections. Most likely a previous explorer found uninfected puppies and brought them back. I think most likely there’s a window after someone is infected when they can be treated, after which the Pikmin develops enough resistance to the glow sap or the host organism’s systems become so interdependent with the Pikmin that the condition can no longer be reversed. I think this is why Moss can’t be cured. Also the presence of the parasitic Pikmin explains why the creatures are drawn to the glow mounds: regularly consuming glow sap from eating the mounds probably protects them from getting parasitized, in the same way wild dogs will eat nightshade fruit that is toxic to intestinal worms. Fun fact the Smokey Progg is actually an enemy from Pikmin 1 that you could only fight if you got to one of the areas before a certain day and destroyed an egg, making the Smokey Progg a Mamuta that hadn’t had enough incubation time.
Well to start off, not every creature in pnf-404 has a leaf tail, it’s only the pikmin and moss, but the main thing that i do not think is great about this theory is radiation, the radiation theory is not great to say the least, mainly due to the fact that if it WAS radiation most creatures would have the red mist capabilities of the smoky progg and the great sirehound, also the green spots in the smoky progg’s egg are signs of decay, not necessarily radiation
Could it have anything to do with being in close proximity to the Pikmin? The leaf on their tails are the same as the Pikmin and leaflings are made when a castaway gets absorbed by an onion.
i think the hocotatians and koppaits are just humans who over time got smaller and smaller after migrating to a other planets beacuse of the nuclear fallout, eventually forgetting their past
2 things, one I hope we get a dlc where we play as moss just trying to keep the Pikmin alive and 2 I call the red stuff from the prog and sirehound miasma, witch is what people thought the plague was from befour germs where invented
My theory is that all the animals we see are just bugs maybe mutated or just brand new species entirely because the captains are the size of bugs imagine being their size in your living room or house you will be like a fly and obviously bigger bugs will try to eat you since that’s nature and all But also the house is hero hideaway is too clean if humans had died they would’ve been in a rush to escape the planet so the house would be in shambles and if a nuclear explosion happens well the house would be rumble by then. So my theory the captains are just bug sized aliens and their planets are just tiny like Pluto but earth has a large amount of resources and treasure to feed their kinds for centuries and make them rich
I always pronounced the planet Gee-yah but watching this video I wonder if its just a different spelling for Gaia aka Earth. Could lend credence for a time theory that the space dogs and the humanoid species evolved from earth and are going back through time portals. Would explain the different continental shapes
Oatchi was still growing and maturing during Pikmin 4, he was still a young dog, meanwhile Moss seems to be a fully grown individual of a similar species My theory is that, the leave tail is a trait in their genes that only activates if the dog is finishing their development in pnf404, like, the conditions of the planet trigger this gene to activate Bc of this, dogs that are related to the Sirehound but weren't raised in the pikmin didn't develop this, but those that did so, Oatchi and Moss, did so Considering the lack of dog space suits, we can asume that space pups are usually able to breath other planets atmospheres, but during previous games we have been told that the air in this planets is dangerous. It could be that usually space pups can handle the planets atmosphere in short time, but a prolonged exposure to the planet (an indefinate stay in there for Moss example), requires the pup to grow these leaves to handle the dangers of the planets air However, this comes at the costs of the dog only being able to handle this planet's conditions
If you go back to pickmin 1 when collecting ship parts and find the Giger Counter Olimar will say he doesn't know what it does and is consently beeping and how it's starting to get annoying. There is 100% radiation in the air and likely a dangerous amount of it
this is really off topic but something i realised that is the bosses in splatoon 3 (the trio) all have the mark on their ink that is easily seen on the big man ink
I cane across a big discovery and I think the Luminolls and Glow Pikmin might be a result of the radiation, the reason i think that is i played through all 3 areas without doing the cure thing, but the moment i did 4 cure quests Oachi got a leaf tail. The rest of the time they didnt so what triggers the leaf tail is the cure questline. Meaning the enzymes might not just be degrading enzymes but also radiation to some degree maybe not to a level to effect the player or characters but enough to effect Oachi since we have Oachi patrol so close to rhe luminol thing, he might be getting effected that way. That also might be why creatures come to destroy it. Glow Pikmin turn into photons, nuclear power does involve some sort of photons. Especialy with bomb or power plant explosions.
reminder the radiation scanner from the first game didnt originated from the planet but from space as a part of olimar's ship. this characters are the size of ants, they only explore a 20ft areas in the middle of forests, and all in too good of a condition for thousands of years or a war could had happen.
That radiation theory doesn’t seem too far off actually. In pikmin 1, one of Olimar’s ship parts is a geiger counter. It’s always going off the charts when you see it; always clicking and buzzing! And in the house in pikmin 4, there are no humans. There are bags everywhere and everything seems to have been left wear it was! The drawings and toys were maybe to distract the children, but they were forced to evacuate sooner than expected. Even the stove is still on! It looks like they had to leave for an emergency of some kind and couldn’t finish packing! They just had to up and leave! Thought this was interesting.
It's the pikmin, they leafify castaways to secure them as permanent leaders, they can do the same with the dogs, perhaps moss's parents were already leafified before giving birth to Moss!
I personally believe that the Sirehound was simply the first of the ancient dogs on this planet to have developed the two leg anatomy common to space dogs, and thusly passed that trait down, being the "Sire" of all other space dogs by being their common ancestor and maybe even that to the grubdogs and similar species we see with a similar body plan. He probably just had some dog children without leaf tails at some point, like himself, with another dog in his hay-day, one or more were picked up by a former off-worlder who never registered the planet, and those dogs went on to become popularized pets in space across multiple planets throughout the ages. Since Oatchi is likely a many-generations removed descendent of the Sirehound, but still has 99.99% similar DNA, clearly little to no genetic variation has happened for these animals in eons, meaning all space dogs are probably related by blood to a certain degree. I also think the prolonged contact with Pikmin and the Onions, not just the air, is what primarily gave Oatchi and Moss their leaf tails, especially Moss. Oatchi prior to getting the tail and the Sirehound clearly didn't need those leaf tails before to breathe in the air of PNF-404, if anything the Ancient Sirehound is proof they can breath it just fine in any amount. The only difference we can prove among the three space dogs is that Oatchi had prolonged contact as he was finishing his final growth spurt on the planet while in frequent contact with them, from then on ferrying them around around the planet and bringing stuff around with them to the Onions. Considering you technically COULD choose to not use Oatchi for all these actions except when explicitly demanded of him, it could even be as simple as the fact that he came into contact directly with the Red Onion during his first day on the planet, which led to it slowly infecting him and taking over his body to a degree to ensure he would want to help the Pikmin propagate. Considering the Pikmin can infect Hocotations and many other species of people as well as Bulborbs via the Bulbmin, it's highly likely this is really just a form of parasitisation meant to latch onto anything that has prolonged contact with the Pikmin, be they predators, prey, or allies like the space dogs. I believe Moss simply came across the Pikmin in her own time on the planet as she grew up, and then became parasitized by the leaves at some point or another since she pretty naturally takes control over and rounds up Pikmin all on her own without anyone ordering her to, even Leafling Olimar is surprised that she has been going off on her own to gather stray Pikmin up. Since Pikmin thrive in large numbers but can easily get scattered and spread out from one another without a leader, I bet it's her instinct to gather them up and improve their and her own survival.
Olimar states that the pikmin could be releasing spores which “Leafifies” Creatures. I think the reason the sirehound doesnt have a tail might be because it hasnt seen pikmin before which might be why it doesnt have the leaf tail like moss or oatchi.
I'm not entirely convinced that Moss was born on PNF404, I have a gut feeling that Moss originally belonged to the Sage Leafling. I'm also not entirely convinced the Sage Leafling isn't one of the early Shepherd family members, as the way he talks reminded me of the notes from the Shepherd family history
youre making it more complicated than it is moss belongs to the sage leaf they got separated on the planet a long time ago the sirehound is a normal earth dog who survived moss and oatchi are descendants of earth dogs that evolved over many many generations and all the people are descendants of normal humans who evolved to adapt to space and their new homeworlds
the one problem with it being a normal dog that got radiated and stuff is that well.. its tiny... i doubt radiation would shrink a dog and i also doubt a dog would SURVIVE it
My own theory about the pikmin franchise: Both Pikmin and the explorers seen throughout the galaxy are the evolutionary descendants of modern humans. I know its crazy but hear me out. Its been speculated before that pikmin takes place millions of years into the future and all of the continents have merged into "pangaea ultima". And the reason for life being so complex now as well as the fact that no humans are seen is likely the result of nuclear war. As in pikmin 1, the geiger counter is allegedly "going haywire" as if the planet is extremely radioactive even still.
As for humans. They didn't "die out" necessarily like many think. I think that when the nuclear wars happened. Earth became uninhabitable for them and some groups fled into space to retreat to new habitable planets. Some humans remained however, trying to adapt to the new world... The humans who fled into space ended up shrinking down over millions of years and became the explorers we now see in the pikmin franchise...The hocotatians, the Koppaites, etc. so much time has passed that they all have forgot about their human origins on earth. Hence why none of them remember their earth history, they have literally become so alien that they don't even breathe oxygen anymore. As for the humans that remained???
The humans that remained on earth shrunk down and evolved into pikmin. The pikmin after all do look the most humanoid out of the creatures on PNF 404(future earth), and they even have their own spaceships and tech in the form of the onions. Radiation and evolution over millions of years turned their body plant-like. And the radiation stunted their ability to reproduce naturally, so they invented soecial motherships known as the onions. By using the energy and buildup of other animals, the pikmin would essentially clone themselves and thus stay afloat as a species. The onions themselves also acted like mini rocket ships that they could take into the skies with them. Like ancient humans and cavemen. Pikmin tend to live and work together in order to increase their odds of survival. And the reason they respond so well to whistles is likely because of their need for being close to another and needing a leader that will help them survive.
It was always implied that most of the larger life on the planet died off from the high levels of radiation leaving only the smaller lifeforme to survive. I assume the sirehound is likely a mutant form of a yorkie or a smaller dog millions of years later. As for oatchi's tail its likely due to need to process oxygen mixed with the strong levels of hydrogeon on the planet.
the dog maybe not ancient just old but maybe their specie origin from here but maybe other sire hounds around the planet. also Hocotate is giant planets maybe the other planets their from most from the moons they called?
Maybe the leaf tail has something to do with the pikmin. It seems as though the sirehound does not have much contact with the pikmin, unlike moss and oatchi. Not to mention the fact that the leaf on their tails is the exact same as the leaf on the pikmin.
according the logic of the game the ancient sire hound must have come from another planet because moss's dna didnt work at making the cure for oatchi because moss was native to pnf 404?
I very concerned that the main character has a named is “Lisa”! That you must help her discover the mysterious planet that we already know is called “Earth”!
I wish the boss’s name wasn’t in the title so I could’ve found out for myself 😅 I also wish that other TH-camrs wouldn’t smack the full boss on the thumbnail for the whole world to see
If there is a male ancient sire hound there is a female because it couldn’t be that the sire hound we fight had baby’s after so there has to be a female
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I think moss' leaf tail comes from the need to process oxygen. With the sirehound being older and similar to normal earth dogs it already had the systems to process oxygen.
Your theory is good, but I'd like to say a few things about it. Leafs perform photosynthesis where they take in carbon dioxide and release oxygen to produce glucose in high levels of light (day) , but in very low levels of light (night) perform aerobic respiration to break down the glucose they made using oxygen into carbon dioxide, water, and energy. Also it is stated in the piklopedia that pikmin breathe through the pores on their skin, maybe the leaf photosynthesises but I'm not sure how it would work when they're a bud or a flower as those a parts of a plant solely for reproduction and pikmin reproduce using the onions. Perhaps Moss and Oatchi are just able to breathe oxygen with their lungs (or maybe just Moss). However, Oatchi could be breathing something else like nitrogen or carbon dioxide.
All in all, your theory is quite good. I just wanted to put my opinion out there
@@superray9499 I have my own theory personally, the Pikmin can reproduce without onions and Pikmin with Onions essentially have their reproductive capabilities shut off.
The Pikmin, Onions and Candypop Buds are all interrelated and yet they are all separate species in separate taxonomic families as seen in the piklopedia, I believe that the Pikmin started off as simple social creatures with non-eusocial social structure before making their home in a plant that in order to avoid nocturnal predators that hunted the plant-like Pikmin chose to fly into the upper atmosphere where nothing could reach it, the Pikmin then found it advantageous to hitch rides on the Onions for their own safety as well, this eventually led to a codependency where the Onion fed on the nutrients the Pikmin brought to the Onion, the Onoin helped facilitate reproduction and act as a safe location to retreat to during the night.
Now to where the space dogs come in, notice a feature of both Oatchi and Moss that they both share that neither the Ancient Sirehound nor real-life canines share.
They can whistle.
The descendants of Moss and Oatchi when they broke off from the Sirehounds line found it necessary to be able to pucker their lips and release a high pitch noise, a noise the Pikmin just so happen to respond to.
The space dogs evolved to lead hordes of Pikmin, at some point a liniage was transplanted to Gaia and lead to Oatchi, while another remained with the Pikmin and further adapted to work around the Pikmin.
There are many real-world animals that actively live in or around ant nests, these creatures usually mimic the colonies' pheromones so the colony identifies them as a member, what I believe the leaf is is a method of photosynthesis/reproduction that is repurposed by eusocial Pikmin as a means of identifying and communicating with members of the colony through chemical signals, this is why the Leaflings are all so obsessed with Dandori, they are practically being beemed a constant stream of chemical information that only a dandori master could hope to process.
It's likely the space dogs are just naturally inclined to grow leaf tails when around Pikmin as a response to chemical stimuli.
@@superray9499That’s complicated
its confirmed that the pikmin seed their dna in creatures that are near them. oatchi just got his dna recombobulated
@@BITBITBIT-fd3gu nutted in oatchi?
According to a log, Collin and Shepherd Siren Hound is said to be incredibly old to the point it must have grown lonely till it met Louie, the reason why the Siren Hound was so loyal to Louie cause with how old it was having had no friends or family, it probably got really attached to Louie since it was probably the first friend he’s had in his entire life
Theory, since all the bugs, and creatures and the sirehound look so different and the sirehound is old, what it was a dog that was tested on to the point where it probably is immortal. And the people who tested on the dog could've been responsible for all humanity being missing and bugs like lady bugs, to become bulborbs. And after Pikmin 3 olimar did get his ship back but most likely spent a lot of time on chocolate that he forgot about them which is why in the logs he says he named yellow Pikmin "yellow Pikmin" instead of ear Pikmin like in Pikmin 1 and most likely also questions if the sirehound is related to Oatchi and Moss for that reason since it's more different than before
If so, then the ancient Sirehound is a truly tragic final boss.
something that may be worth noting that i feel like people forget a lot is that the characters and pikmin are really small, so the ancient sirehound is very likely just the size of a normal dog
Probably a small dog like a chawawa (idk how to spell that word)
Chihuahua, it’s a city in Mexico :)
Even a small dog like that would TOWER over the Sire Hound though. Perhaps evolution deemed larger creatures like dogs and humans no longer necessary to survive in such an environment that they either went extinct entirely, or got smaller through the course of natural selection.
@@BugLivestreams the small size is due to food scarcity. Nature in all living things come from scarcity not abundance. Thats where the adaptation came from.
He’s like guinea pig sized
I believe that the leaf tail comes from being in close proximity to Pikmin for a long time as Oatchi only gets his leaf after quite a bit of time with the Pikmin. The onions and Pikmin can be parasitic (rock,bulbmin, leaflings) and in Olimar's notes he suggests that onions absorb an steal dna from what is brought to it and that could be how new pikmin types are made. So maybe once a creature makes direct contact with pikmin for long enough, and help carry stuff to the onion, using the ability to give pikmin dna to other creatures (which is shown with leafings) the onion transfers dna to the creature giving it a leaf so it may continue to help the pikmin. The reason the ancient sirehound doesn't have a leaf is that he entirely pre-dates pikmin and he has never come into contact with them. The reason moss has had a tail since birth is probably because her parents got the leaf and passed down the leaf genes to her, making it impossible to get rid of.
Well, that's my theory for the ancient sirehound and the leaf tail.
If that is true, their could be another explanation for why leaf individuals can't leave the planet. Being part pikmin means they can't go too far from the onion.
@@alaster555but wit doesn't describe how moss was born with hers
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Moss' ancestors likely interacted with the Pikmin and their onions, which imbued them with Pikmin DNA, which they probably passed down to Moss. The Sirehound presumably has never interacted with the Pikmin, so he wouldn't have a leaf tail.
@@FlareXbass I literally explained that on the 17th line
If I am not mistaken, Sheperd mentions that even if they raised the dogs for centuries, She ignores where are the actual origins of their species. Also Olimar mentions that maybe the leafication may be related to the pikmin exposure.
The deadly red haze emitting from the Smokey Progg and the Ancient Sirehound's final phase is canonically dubbed 'gloom' by the loading screen hints. The name, texture and coloration all resemble the substance of the same name in The Legend of Zelda; Tears of the Kingdom.
I don't know what this implies from a lore stand point (Do Zelda and Pikmin share the same universe like Mario and Donkey Kong do?) but from a meta point of view it makes sense, given the two games were being developed by the same time, and a lot of Pikmin 4's presentation takes heavy inspiration from BotW and TotK. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that some ideas were borrowed. It also explains why it can kill white Pikmin; it's not poison, but something else entirely.
I had the same reaction but I disagree because of all the Ganon’s we see only this one is able to make gloom bc secret stones and it would be so far in the future at least 2017 for there to be Nintendo switch joy cons I believe it is an Easter egg
Its a negative spiritual material, like anti matter, is "destruction"(and darkness) while the possitive is the green one(creation/materialization/light) thats why the gloom pikmin are that color
Gloom was in the first pikmin games
Good theroy vut it holds no weight
Pikmin series really cares about ecology so having gloom ve something you get from a dark lord makes no sense
I have a theory about the humans still being alive because in the entry for the Nintendo switch controller the entry says it’s still vibrating which could mean that humans are still alive and one human is trying to find the controller and they might just be in the bunker or we just don’t see them
bigger evidence in the giant's hearth a tent is still set up (in the background) that must mean a human had to recently set it up because that wouldn't last long on it's own.
But don't u find the other side of the pair later on?
Yeah but maybe it’s a different switch controller owner because you find it in different areas@@marina_ida8172
Maybe they're from two seperate consoles.
An idea i like is that the house looked too intact to be fully post apocalyptic, however it could be from a place that was evacuated in a hurry leaving behind all sorts of non essentials like some food, the treasures or even .....a dog.
As for where the evacuated to maybe a bunker somewhere or maybe into space
Question then would be how long ago did the evacuation/apocalypse took place since their would be slot of dust everywhere and that house looks relatively freshly cleaned
There were literally tomatoes in the sink, fresh and not rotten.
Since Olimar said the glow sap could be the cause of the smoky progg coming from a mamuta egg, maybe the ancient sirehound's parent/s ate the glowsap too, which gave it that deadly poison and possibly its other elemental powers, this could explain why the sirehound only has two legs instead of four like a normal dog (a mutation), and it could explain why it doesn't have a leaf tail, as shown by the koppai castaways, drinking the sap before being leafified makes it to where nothing happens when you get put through an onion/when you meet the requirements to grow a leaf tail. The reason why the progg and the egg are green might be because of glow sap, though it doesn't make much sense how glow sap that glow pikmin take part in creating + a creature that helps bloom pikmin would make something that instantly kills every pikmin, even glow pikmin...
I think Gloom, the substance that the Progg & Sirehound can produce is a distilled Glow Sap...distilled to the point it takes on a somewhat gaseous but viscous state, like liquid air
but the issue is this distilled version is extremely toxic as all the restorative properties have been removed through distillation...hence why even glow pikmin can't touch it, its too dangerous for them
The nectar eggs must be normal mamuta eggs, which means pikmin eat underdeveloped animal eggs to survive 💀
If this is true, what are the gooey guys from Secluded courtyard... or worse, the FOOLIX???
That red substance kills all cuz it’s not ‘Poison’, it’s ‘Gloom’. Smokey Progg introduced the insta-kill ‘Gloom’ in Pikmin 1, it just took this game to solidify that.
Also, Moss is thought to be foreign to PNF-404 and brought here initially by the Sage Leaf.
Also also, Oatchi isn’t infected by radiation, it’s exposure to the Pikmin/the Onion. Moss is infected the same way as are Bulbmin.
Actually no... Bulbmin are not the same as Oatchi and Moss's lead tails. Bulbmin are literally parasitic Pikmin imbedded into the spines of the adolescent Bulborbs using their roots to control them. The leaf tails and leaflings are caused by alterations in their DNA, on a microscopic level.
I believe leafification is related to the Pikmin, specifically being absorbed by the Onion or via direct contact of the Pikmin, this explains why this particular Sirehound has no leaf tail. The reason the captains are unaffected is that they wear spacesuits
Or maybe it’s to inhale oxygen.
@@randomshipper-pe6br No, leaves are not for aerobic respiration, they can do that but their primary function is photosynthesis.
@@gavros9636 so maybe, the atmosphere on PNF 404 is extremely thin, letting in large amounts of UV, which prompts organisms living on the surface to grow leaves so they can withstand large amounts of it.
Edit: rereading it, I don't know how that makes sense.
@@randomshipper-pe6br Plants get sunburned too so you are correct in your edit.
There are a lot of space travelers affected by leafs in this game
My theory is that Moss' origin is in some way related to the Sage Leafling, since we know he's been on PNF 404 for a very long time and is wearing a space suit. Since there's so much ambiguity regarding his character origin this idea is as solid as any dream theory, but I think the Sage crash landed long ago similar to Olimar and had his own initial adventure or simply almost died and was leafified, and when he arrived on the planet he brought either Moss or one of her ancestors. It's not known for certain that Moss was born on the planet, just assumed since Olimar found her there and he was the presumed first person to visit it. We don't know for 100% certain that the Ancient Sirehound is an abnormality for space dogs size wise, since we've only seen 3 (4 if you count Bulbi). Oatchi is very clearly a juvenile while Moss is obviously more.mature, but she very well could only be slightly older than Oatchi since she's only a bit bigger. For all we know space dogs could reach the same size as the Ancient Sirehound under the right conditions, just like how they can grow a leafy tail.
I think Moss is a young pup that either crash landed with the Sage Leafling long ago on PNF 404 or is the descendant of one of his dogs. The reason she is leafy is the same as with Oatchi, likely due to the influence of Pikmin and their tendencies for parasitism.
I have my own theory about the extinction of the humans in the Pikmin world, but for the sake of brevity, I'd just like to point out what happens to enemies you kill at night versus during the day.
Their bodies completely dissolve, leaving nothing behind except a few glow pellets for the larger creatures, much like how a Pikmin leaves no body when it dies.
I believe this reaction is related to how the humans seemingly (or perhaps LITERALLY) disappeared overnight.
8:34 Read Moss's piklopedia entry. There is a theory about the leafification in Olimar's section.
The Progg and Sirehound are some of the few enemies with the scream-to-stun attack.
It's my theory that the reason the Sirehound is still alive despite seemingly being the original space dog, which would likely put it at thousands of years old at least, is due to the weird effects PNF-404 seems to have on time. Consider this- time seems to pass differently for different things and in different places on the planet. Time is slower in caves, Pellet Posies grow back weirdly fast, humanity is completely gone but everything they've created is relatively intact, and one of the treasures is straight-up a fried egg and it somehow hasn't gone bad yet despite sitting outdoors for who knows how long. I think that the effect this time dilation has on the Sirehound is drastically slowing its aging process, and combined with the fact that the Sirehound spends a lot of its time in a cave, further slowing the process, that means that it could theoretically live for millennia. On a related note, it's possible that the reason humanity is (probably) extinct is just because the time dilation caused the human race to evolve rapidly or increased their aging to the point where they weren't able to replace the population before they all died of old age. Where this time dilation comes from is still a mystery, but I suspect that the Umibozu is involved somehow.
maybe humanity still exists, but has been stuck with an extradimensional problem that is warping things, considering space travel is described as folding space time, and wraiths are mentioned to be from a different dimension that needs to be hit with a conveniently purple pikman slam frequency to be brought to this reality, it's highly likely humanity was folding reality for space travel then ripped a hole in reality that bled over various extradimensional things that have rapidly mutated, become parasitic, and messed with time (or even reversed it) through gravitational wells
it's highly likely that if humanity was secretly experimenting with ED travel and botched it, we'd both never see the facility and would se reality bending on a massive scale leading to new life that is able to both exist/evolve existing life while parasitically leeching other life, meaning pikmen might be a thing humans use to fight this invasive reality war on the insectoid level.
if that is false, the world might just be caught in some well like an invisible black hole that has "frozen time" and also makes things like computers for autopilot or object warning so buggy they cant identify anything existing until they are caught in that well, but since you can "fold" space for space travel, it means you can hop out of the eclipse easily... in which case humans may exist but the sense of reality is frozen due to gravitational pulls of black holes being theorized to be so great, you could stare out and witness the end of the universe in a few seconds, meaning to hop into it and go onto a planet on the edge of the well, you might perceive everything in normal rates and if you came back, it may have completely changed face as a result of time dilation
this second idea means humans might very well be alive and well, but since time on objects is based on mass of an object, the smaller creatures might be moving so damned fast that a human is simply perceive misplacing an object that was taken by pikmen moving at perceivable faster than light speed, meanwhile pikmen and the crews might be moving so fast that larger moving objects are perceptually non-existent due to them being so slow that they simply "were never there"
Umibozu ?
@@dynamiteicecream2728 It's a whole big theory about the reason ships keep crashing on Earth in Pikmin, it involves... a lot of stuff honestly, most of which isn't really integral to the theory
A few things I think are:
Louie likely controlled the sirehound due to the sirehounds eyes changing from red to blue in its normal form;
The smoky proggs egg is likely a mamuta egg that WAS still growing the mamuta until radiation effected it and mutated the baby mamuta, making it grow differently due to radiation. This created the toxic gasses the smoky progg emits and why it looks so different. Mamuta eggs are likely white eggs with black spots or plain white eggs, but the radiation likely changed that.
The sirehounds final phase IS likely poison, but too much for white pikmin;
And they should've added water to the final boss. That's all from me today.
The final phase is an element called gloom, only it and the progg use it.
Honestly, I've always thought gloom was high poison, enough to kill white pikmin. That's just why I said that
@@ritter3723so your telling me that the Smoky Progg is Phantom Gannon!?
JK
It might be a case of maturity as to why they don't have leafified tails, since Oatchi matures over his time on the planet's surface, he matures and gains a leafified tail
I’m more convinced the reason that the Sire hasn’t grown a leaf tail is probably because it has consistently eaten Glow Sap, which at least applies to its abilities to fly and use dark mist, since they’re both glow-related abilities
Plus we know that the Koppaites were immune to leafification after eating it... Now that I think about it, maybe that's why all the enemies on the planet are attracted to the glow sap. Because eating it is the ONLY protection against becoming leafified by the Pikmin. 🤔
My current theory is humanity left PNF-404 after using all natural resources at the time. To avoid mass consumption of other plannets we literally shrunk ourselves to a 100th of our size so we consume far less.
We had brought a lot of stuff with us of course, including these dog like creatures bread to be pets and work hounds. So all the stuff we see in pikmin is what we left behind. The planet evolved without us. With obvious time distorting events happening both underground and in sheltered areas, evolution made some unusually fast jumps.
Nevertheless earth still can't support fauna of our size anymore. With the largest now only being the size of a boot at best.
The fact everybody crashes on PNF-404 also means ancient humanity did not want people coming back. Something is either deffending the place, or the distortions get every pilot that isn't expecting it the first time.
Finally, id love to see a story with Louie staying on the plannet so whenever more visitors arive they go to him first as a guide. He hates it but it brings in megapokos so he tolerates it and becomes the first true earthling human in forever.
I thought the term "ancient" might be referencing that it's an older breed. This dog in particular might not be super old (it might just be a matted, overgrown, stinky dog that's lived in the wild), but it's species- it's breed might be older. Like comparing a Chow-Chow (which dates back to 200BC) to an American Hairless Terrier (first born in 1972). So perhaps this dog is just our example of what the "original dog" looked like.
My theory is that the reason the Sirehound isn't leafified like Moss is because it eats Glow Sap. Because we know from the Koppaites that eating the Glow Sap makes you immune to becoming a leafling... And that's probably why all the creatures are so hyper-focused and attracted to the Glow Sap at night. Its the only protection against the leafification process. That would explain how only Moss and off-world creatures like the Captains and Oatchi are vulnerable to it. Its likely a microscopic spore-like infection that comes from the Pikmin... Maybe they're more sinister than we think.
i've never played a pikmin game but i think the dogs should get space suits
I think the Sirehound IS leafified but just in a more advanced state, it’s fur looks more leaflike then the fur of Oatchi or even Moss, also the Sirehound’s tail resembles a budding flower a bit
2:26 its Gloom.
Ganondorf’s influence extends far beyond Hyrule it seems.
The Ancient Sirehound has a collar for it.
Radiation theory really does work with the power and green glow, as it’s not poison that the red stuff is as the Poison Pikmin die when touching it
For space dogs being everywhere... it's kinda dark but you don't necessarily need a creature to be alive to breed it. You just need its DNA. what if other travelers simply didn't return to PNF when their dogs seemed sick and they just died? The corpse was brought back to their planet, studied and cloned. Those clones could be cloned or have babies of their own through inbreeding or a compatible species
The pit bull named cupcake😂
Kid name cupcake:
Meanwhile EDP: 😏
Finally I get see ancient Sirehound and what it does
9:10 His tail turns after Bernard is cured, and it may be because he was present when many leaflings were there and being cured
Something interesting I haven’t seen mentioned are the suitcases by the door in the house level. It kind of implies the occupants were in a hurry to leave.
I’m not sure how, but I feel like the Shepard family logs seem to imply the little people we’ve been playing as (and their dogs) are from Earth. Why they shrunk, I have no idea, maybe space travel does that?
I think what causing the tails to become a leaf is because due to the pikmin. Maybe oatchi is slowly become like moss due to her being near the pikmin.
Yeah, olimar has a theory that Pikmin infect people with leaves to secure a permenant leader
But the pikmin was close to sirehound too by launching onto his tail why didn't he get infected?
Imagine if the ancient sire hound was a normal dog that evolved
The humans in the Pikmin series may have left earth and evolved into the characters we know today.
the thing I'm most confused about is how earth dogs lost two legs
The only question I have is this: WHY WAS OLIMAR HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE, WHY DID HE COME BACK AGAIN. Did he finally buy his SS. Dolphin and then the president was like "Go back to that planet and find me some more treasure". Is that why he crashed here, found Moss, and then got stranded here again? Also how did Louie get here?, there was only enough room for 1 person on plum are ship, how did Louie get here?
I think this is something akin to a soft reboot. It references both Pikmin 1 and 2 but adds Pikmin 3 elements.
I think the reason why the Ancient Sirehound doesn’t have a leaf tail is because it has an immunity to the oxygen in the planet’s atmosphere, and since it’s a very old being, there’s a chance that it developed this immunity as it grew. And about the elemental abilities the Ancient Sirehound possesses, I believe that it gained these powers through consumption of the various insects found in pikmin, since some enemies have ice, electric, fire, and poison properties, and the Ancient Sirehound is dog which is a carnivorous species, then it could have gained these powers from eating these insects
Can't wait for "The TRUE Origins of Groovy Long Legs" 🎶😎🎶
Anyone notice the amount of artifacts that shouldn’t be around if humans were gone for so long? How many perfectly intact pastries have come across? Stoves left lit?
I've heard the term gloom being used for the effects of the progg and sirehound, and i think that's what the game files call it? Olimar also explicitly says that oxygen is poisonous in the first game, so I feel like it's not radiation that's doing it. The progg drinks glow sap so there's ca good chance the sirehound avoids leafification that way too. Moss being so small compared to the sirehound could also hint that her smaller part of the space pup family might've arrived on earth at a later date and adapted through a leaf tail independently of the sirehound
We can't see the leaf tail because I think Sirehound himself is the largest leafling on PNF-404, or at least in the explorable areas, if he was a Shih Tzu dog back in the days, after the nuclear fallout he had adapted the radiation and changing himself into recent state, and the collar also being the activator of his hostile state, my theory is that Sirehound maybe a surivor Shih Tzu also being a rescuse pup for some sort during the nuclear fallout, and explorable areas are polar opposite of the nuclear crash site, Pikmin can grow in the safe zone but not outside, while Sirehound adapted a little bit hence he can shoot out radiation fire that instant kill Pikmin
It’s said the onions can incorporate pikmin dna into some organisms so it may be that moss’s ancestor gotten absorbed by an onion and turning into a “leafling” or a “leaf pup” so to speak and when these leaf pups kept breeding their tails could no longer return to their normal shape due to many generations of being a leaf pup (though I’m not sure about leaving the planet, my guess is because it’s part pikmin they can’t leave low orbit because the onions also cannot leave low orbit)
You forgot to mention that the Sirehound doesn't use poison either. And I don't mean the red stuff; that stuff is officially called gloom.
As for why Moss has a leaf tail and the space pups that were taken by explorers maybe didn't, it could be because a leaf tail is a recent mutation.
That doesn't explain how Oatchi would develop one spontaneously, though 🤔
Apparently the red poison is called... Gloom.
How strange cuz it's extremely similar to what's seen in the legend of Zelda: tears of the kingdom.
Red, misty, dangerous to touch.
Am I seeing a pattern here?
The ancient siren hound goes to through all colours of pikmin and the pikmins ability’s
the aincient sirehound is a 2 legged dog with super powers, honestly i would say even without a leaf tail its already mutated.
I would change the "Ancient Sirehound" part to "Final Boss" So that way people don't give you death threats again :)
Nah it's fine no changes needed. Most people saw the boss. And there's a spoiler warning
The Sirehound can't use Water or Poison...those are the two main hazards he can't use, his hazards he can use are Fire, Electricity, Ice & Gloom
but...if the sirehound is related to Moss & Oatchi somehow, could they use hazard powers?
also it is likely that Moss wasn't born with a leaf tail, but has had a leaf tail for so long that its become embedded into her DNA, preventing any cure from working
also simply the fact that we only see two dogs native to PNF-404, it must mean the Sirehound is Moss' father
to add onto that nuclear fallout thing, one of the shepherd family histories book mentions them seeing the surface for the first time
I don’t think humans are actually extinct. I thought that in 2, with the underground areas possibly being fallout shelters where humans survived for a while. But this game takes place in someone’s house and back yard with us seeing areas that look pristine and lived in. Over and over while exploring the house I thought the owners are going to be so confused when they come back and find their place looted.
One thing I noticed is there’s a treasure near the entrance to the Cavern for a King that’s a dog food dish (empty), and maybe I was just negligent when exploring that area but I didn’t notice it until the cave with the ancient sire hound spawned. I think between the bowl and the collar that the hound is someone’s pet and that they’re actively taking care of him. Heck while the cavern might technically be listed as “underground” you can see sky, this isn’t a lair deep underground it’s part of someone’s yard.
I think humans still exist, but on a scale so massive we don’t really process them or have to worry about them.
The leafification seems to be tied to interacting with Pikmin. Most likely it’s actually a parasitic Pikmin species like the Bulbmin in 2. The Bulbmin were able to completely control young bulborbs but not the adults so a Bulbmin type infection might not have effected Oatchi’s behavior. The leafification itself also happens after Oatchi has been interacting with Moss, who is infected, as well as Ice Pikmin and Rock Pikmin, both of which are listed as parasitic Pikmin species.
For how someone got uninfected space pups and why the sire hound isn’t infected: well assuming humans are still alive they probably have a treatment for the leaf tail, in the same way humans might treat pets for worms or fungal infections. Most likely a previous explorer found uninfected puppies and brought them back. I think most likely there’s a window after someone is infected when they can be treated, after which the Pikmin develops enough resistance to the glow sap or the host organism’s systems become so interdependent with the Pikmin that the condition can no longer be reversed. I think this is why Moss can’t be cured. Also the presence of the parasitic Pikmin explains why the creatures are drawn to the glow mounds: regularly consuming glow sap from eating the mounds probably protects them from getting parasitized, in the same way wild dogs will eat nightshade fruit that is toxic to intestinal worms.
Fun fact the Smokey Progg is actually an enemy from Pikmin 1 that you could only fight if you got to one of the areas
before a certain day and destroyed an egg, making the Smokey Progg a Mamuta that hadn’t had enough incubation time.
Well to start off, not every creature in pnf-404 has a leaf tail, it’s only the pikmin and moss, but the main thing that i do not think is great about this theory is radiation, the radiation theory is not great to say the least, mainly due to the fact that if it WAS radiation most creatures would have the red mist capabilities of the smoky progg and the great sirehound, also the green spots in the smoky progg’s egg are signs of decay, not necessarily radiation
Cant wait for the dlc boss ancient sirefeline
The ancient siren hound has to be a poodle it matches the size
Could it have anything to do with being in close proximity to the Pikmin? The leaf on their tails are the same as the Pikmin and leaflings are made when a castaway gets absorbed by an onion.
i think the hocotatians and koppaits are just humans who over time got smaller and smaller after migrating to a other planets beacuse of the nuclear fallout, eventually forgetting their past
2 things, one I hope we get a dlc where we play as moss just trying to keep the Pikmin alive and 2 I call the red stuff from the prog and sirehound miasma, witch is what people thought the plague was from befour germs where invented
I like that name a lot for the element! Also germs were discovered. Humans definitely did not invent them lol. They were always here.
its canonically called gloom but thats a pretty cool name
My theory is that all the animals we see are just bugs maybe mutated or just brand new species entirely because the captains are the size of bugs imagine being their size in your living room or house you will be like a fly and obviously bigger bugs will try to eat you since that’s nature and all
But also the house is hero hideaway is too clean if humans had died they would’ve been in a rush to escape the planet so the house would be in shambles and if a nuclear explosion happens well the house would be rumble by then.
So my theory the captains are just bug sized aliens and their planets are just tiny like Pluto but earth has a large amount of resources and treasure to feed their kinds for centuries and make them rich
Well we do know there is more radiation on the planet since in Pikmin 1 and 4 we can see on the SS Dolphin the giger counter ticking away
I always pronounced the planet Gee-yah but watching this video I wonder if its just a different spelling for Gaia aka Earth. Could lend credence for a time theory that the space dogs and the humanoid species evolved from earth and are going back through time portals. Would explain the different continental shapes
Pikmin theory: the characters that you play as in the games are evolved humans from the future
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YES HE FUCKIN DOES
Oatchi was still growing and maturing during Pikmin 4, he was still a young dog, meanwhile Moss seems to be a fully grown individual of a similar species
My theory is that, the leave tail is a trait in their genes that only activates if the dog is finishing their development in pnf404, like, the conditions of the planet trigger this gene to activate
Bc of this, dogs that are related to the Sirehound but weren't raised in the pikmin didn't develop this, but those that did so, Oatchi and Moss, did so
Considering the lack of dog space suits, we can asume that space pups are usually able to breath other planets atmospheres, but during previous games we have been told that the air in this planets is dangerous. It could be that usually space pups can handle the planets atmosphere in short time, but a prolonged exposure to the planet (an indefinate stay in there for Moss example), requires the pup to grow these leaves to handle the dangers of the planets air
However, this comes at the costs of the dog only being able to handle this planet's conditions
If you go back to pickmin 1 when collecting ship parts and find the Giger Counter Olimar will say he doesn't know what it does and is consently beeping and how it's starting to get annoying. There is 100% radiation in the air and likely a dangerous amount of it
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this is really off topic but something i realised that is the bosses in splatoon 3 (the trio) all have the mark on their ink that is easily seen on the big man ink
I would say that the ancient sirehound's size wasn't effected by the radiation since compared to humans it's about the same size as a small dog.
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Me knowing what it is: glow pikmin bruh
I cane across a big discovery and I think the Luminolls and Glow Pikmin might be a result of the radiation, the reason i think that is i played through all 3 areas without doing the cure thing, but the moment i did 4 cure quests Oachi got a leaf tail. The rest of the time they didnt so what triggers the leaf tail is the cure questline. Meaning the enzymes might not just be degrading enzymes but also radiation to some degree maybe not to a level to effect the player or characters but enough to effect Oachi since we have Oachi patrol so close to rhe luminol thing, he might be getting effected that way. That also might be why creatures come to destroy it. Glow Pikmin turn into photons, nuclear power does involve some sort of photons. Especialy with bomb or power plant explosions.
reminder the radiation scanner from the first game didnt originated from the planet but from space as a part of olimar's ship. this characters are the size of ants, they only explore a 20ft areas in the middle of forests, and all in too good of a condition for thousands of years or a war could had happen.
That radiation theory doesn’t seem too far off actually. In pikmin 1, one of Olimar’s ship parts is a geiger counter. It’s always going off the charts when you see it; always clicking and buzzing! And in the house in pikmin 4, there are no humans. There are bags everywhere and everything seems to have been left wear it was! The drawings and toys were maybe to distract the children, but they were forced to evacuate sooner than expected. Even the stove is still on! It looks like they had to leave for an emergency of some kind and couldn’t finish packing! They just had to up and leave! Thought this was interesting.
It's the pikmin, they leafify castaways to secure them as permanent leaders, they can do the same with the dogs, perhaps moss's parents were already leafified before giving birth to Moss!
I personally believe that the Sirehound was simply the first of the ancient dogs on this planet to have developed the two leg anatomy common to space dogs, and thusly passed that trait down, being the "Sire" of all other space dogs by being their common ancestor and maybe even that to the grubdogs and similar species we see with a similar body plan. He probably just had some dog children without leaf tails at some point, like himself, with another dog in his hay-day, one or more were picked up by a former off-worlder who never registered the planet, and those dogs went on to become popularized pets in space across multiple planets throughout the ages. Since Oatchi is likely a many-generations removed descendent of the Sirehound, but still has 99.99% similar DNA, clearly little to no genetic variation has happened for these animals in eons, meaning all space dogs are probably related by blood to a certain degree. I also think the prolonged contact with Pikmin and the Onions, not just the air, is what primarily gave Oatchi and Moss their leaf tails, especially Moss. Oatchi prior to getting the tail and the Sirehound clearly didn't need those leaf tails before to breathe in the air of PNF-404, if anything the Ancient Sirehound is proof they can breath it just fine in any amount. The only difference we can prove among the three space dogs is that Oatchi had prolonged contact as he was finishing his final growth spurt on the planet while in frequent contact with them, from then on ferrying them around around the planet and bringing stuff around with them to the Onions.
Considering you technically COULD choose to not use Oatchi for all these actions except when explicitly demanded of him, it could even be as simple as the fact that he came into contact directly with the Red Onion during his first day on the planet, which led to it slowly infecting him and taking over his body to a degree to ensure he would want to help the Pikmin propagate. Considering the Pikmin can infect Hocotations and many other species of people as well as Bulborbs via the Bulbmin, it's highly likely this is really just a form of parasitisation meant to latch onto anything that has prolonged contact with the Pikmin, be they predators, prey, or allies like the space dogs. I believe Moss simply came across the Pikmin in her own time on the planet as she grew up, and then became parasitized by the leaves at some point or another since she pretty naturally takes control over and rounds up Pikmin all on her own without anyone ordering her to, even Leafling Olimar is surprised that she has been going off on her own to gather stray Pikmin up. Since Pikmin thrive in large numbers but can easily get scattered and spread out from one another without a leader, I bet it's her instinct to gather them up and improve their and her own survival.
the big house haven't decay everything is clean
Olimar states that the pikmin could be releasing spores which “Leafifies” Creatures. I think the reason the sirehound doesnt have a tail might be because it hasnt seen pikmin before which might be why it doesnt have the leaf tail like moss or oatchi.
I'm not entirely convinced that Moss was born on PNF404, I have a gut feeling that Moss originally belonged to the Sage
Leafling. I'm also not entirely convinced the Sage Leafling isn't one of the early Shepherd family members, as the way he talks reminded me of the notes from the Shepherd family history
That "mysterious red substance" I think is called gloom.
13:20 That doesn't explain why PNF-404 isn't documented.
I don’t think the sire hound is the ancestor of all space dogs. I think he’s just moss’s father.
i like to think that the sirehound has a tiny leaf tail thats just covered up by his fur
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youre making it more complicated than it is
moss belongs to the sage leaf
they got separated on the planet a long time ago
the sirehound is a normal earth dog who survived
moss and oatchi are descendants of earth dogs that evolved over many many generations
and all the people are descendants of normal humans who evolved to adapt to space and their new homeworlds
the one problem with it being a normal dog that got radiated and stuff is that well.. its tiny... i doubt radiation would shrink a dog and i also doubt a dog would SURVIVE it
The Ancient Sirehound is a species and not a single individual. Just wanted to make that clear because you talk about it as a single individual!
says who?
My own theory about the pikmin franchise:
Both Pikmin and the explorers seen throughout the galaxy are the evolutionary descendants of modern humans.
I know its crazy but hear me out. Its been speculated before that pikmin takes place millions of years into the future and all of the continents have merged into "pangaea ultima".
And the reason for life being so complex now as well as the fact that no humans are seen is likely the result of nuclear war. As in pikmin 1, the geiger counter is allegedly "going haywire" as if the planet is extremely radioactive even still.
As for humans. They didn't "die out" necessarily like many think.
I think that when the nuclear wars happened. Earth became uninhabitable for them and some groups fled into space to retreat to new habitable planets. Some humans remained however, trying to adapt to the new world...
The humans who fled into space ended up shrinking down over millions of years and became the explorers we now see in the pikmin franchise...The hocotatians, the Koppaites, etc. so much time has passed that they all have forgot about their human origins on earth. Hence why none of them remember their earth history, they have literally become so alien that they don't even breathe oxygen anymore.
As for the humans that remained???
The humans that remained on earth shrunk down and evolved into pikmin.
The pikmin after all do look the most humanoid out of the creatures on PNF 404(future earth), and they even have their own spaceships and tech in the form of the onions.
Radiation and evolution over millions of years turned their body plant-like. And the radiation stunted their ability to reproduce naturally, so they invented soecial motherships known as the onions. By using the energy and buildup of other animals, the pikmin would essentially clone themselves and thus stay afloat as a species. The onions themselves also acted like mini rocket ships that they could take into the skies with them.
Like ancient humans and cavemen. Pikmin tend to live and work together in order to increase their odds of survival. And the reason they respond so well to whistles is likely because of their need for being close to another and needing a leader that will help them survive.
It was always implied that most of the larger life on the planet died off from the high levels of radiation leaving only the smaller lifeforme to survive. I assume the sirehound is likely a mutant form of a yorkie or a smaller dog millions of years later. As for oatchi's tail its likely due to need to process oxygen mixed with the strong levels of hydrogeon on the planet.
the dog maybe not ancient just old but maybe their specie origin from here but maybe other sire hounds around the planet.
also Hocotate is giant planets maybe the other planets their from most from the moons they called?
Theres still humans in that timeline
Maybe the leaf tail has something to do with the pikmin. It seems as though the sirehound does not have much contact with the pikmin, unlike moss and oatchi. Not to mention the fact that the leaf on their tails is the exact same as the leaf on the pikmin.
All I know is I wanna give it a hug because it's lonely. :
according the logic of the game the ancient sire hound must have come from another planet because moss's dna didnt work at making the cure for oatchi because moss was native to pnf 404?
I have a small insignificant theory. And it's obvious but il say it any way the sire hound was a pet. Why it has a collar.
Deicanis. Dei, from deity, and canis, which means dog. God-dog.
There is one location behind roadia lake waterfall where there is a bokoblin fortress in the faron region there in totk
Olimar have 2 dog bulbie in hocotate & moss in pnf-4O4
I very concerned that the main character has a named is “Lisa”! That you must help her discover the mysterious planet that we already know is called “Earth”!
I wish the boss’s name wasn’t in the title so I could’ve found out for myself 😅
I also wish that other TH-camrs wouldn’t smack the full boss on the thumbnail for the whole world to see
Can you make a video about the aliens planet and what the terrain is like
Really. Spoilers right on the thumbnail
If there is a male ancient sire hound there is a female because it couldn’t be that the sire hound we fight had baby’s after so there has to be a female