BEAUTIFUL.....After watching so many videos regarding bi amp, this one is so easy and step by step. I learnt very easily and quick from this video. This is how education is made easy. Thank you so much for such a useful clip.
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Hi, the effect is perfectly retained. Bi-amping + bi-wiring improves the quality of the audio reproduction by the speakers (by driving the tweeters and woofers separately) - and does not modify the audio signal (like e.g. DSP effect processing). The quality of the original audio *signal* is basically left untouched.
I used this as a response below, but thought I would share it here up top so others can get some light shed on the subject: ________________________________________ There are 2 schools of thought here that you need to realize. Bi-Amping (Passive) which is the most commonly done, still using the crossover in the speakers, and Bi-Amping (Active) which completely bypasses the the speakers crossover. Since you are 9/10 times going to use Passive Bi-Amping, there shouldn't be much difference in sound quality, if any when using a receiver. All receivers are rated at 2 Channel Driven... assuming you listen to 2ch music, you will be getting the most power out of you amplifier and driving the speakers better (imo) by leaving the jumpers in and doing a conventional wiring setup (2 wires). When you Bi-Wire using a receiver, you use 4 Channels (4 integrated amps) thus degrading the performance of the receiver when driving the speakers... the same applies for the more channels you add in 5.1 or 7.1/9.1/11.1 setups. For example, my Pioneer Elite AVR SC-87 is 145W/ch @ 2Ch driven, or 845w Total Power @ 9ch driven... which roughly comes out to 93.3 W/ch when I use EVERY channel... So if I do a conventional wiring (2 wires), my front speakers will see 145W/ch each, but if I Bi-Wire, the speakers will see about 128W/ch each at Hi and Low cross over points @ 4 Channels Driven on my AV Receiver. If you really want to enjoy the full effects of bi-wiring, you need discrete separate amplifiers with a pre-amp, not a AV receiver. Just a note for you to ponder. Discrete Lower Power, vs High Current direct power in AVRs.
@OnkyoEU I looked at my manual and my receiver can support bi-amping. I have connected the speakers to the A+B selectors and it works perfectly. I have also made sure the ohms haven't dropped under 4 ohms, so i know its safe. Thankyou very much for your instructions and for posting this video..
Hi there and thanks for your inquiry. You could look at it like this: by using bi-amping + bi-wiring, each driver for high and low is backed up by a separate amp module in the AVR. If you are using one cable for both high and low drivers, they will have to share the available power. Nethertheless you cannot say the power is "doubled", as the actual output also depends on a number of other factors. If you have the chance to bi-wire & bi-amp, it should be the preferred.
Short version: the advantage is a better quality of the audio signal due to less interference between high and low signals. Long version: Wikipedia as a nice article on "bi-wiring" with more details. Thanks for asking!
Just run bi-wire from a pioneer amp, woofers from speakers A and tweeters from speakers B. Rather thick cable for the woofers (using more wats) and a old thin speaker cable for the tweeters. Speakers are Wharfedale Diamond 225. Improvement in sound is remarkable! More detail, a more clear tweeter, a more rapid and articulated bass. A lot of people recomend to change the bridge on Dimonds from the original plate to a strip of real speaker cable. Could be worth a try if not bi-wiring. For my rig, bi-wiring from seperate speaker conection, A and B, made a huuuuge difference. MAGA - make audio great again!
@poolehart Usually you would use bi-wiring for speakers which have separate inputs for bass and tweeters (using a bridge in a non-bi-wired configuration). If you would like to connect a sub which shares the front outputs for satellites - there is usually no need to use bi-wiring in this configuration. The sub will filter out the frequency that it supports - and passing on the other frequencies to the satellites...
Hi, if you want to use bi-wiring/bi-amping for your front speakers, 2 channels of the amp will be used for this - this means you can listen up to 5.1 in this kind of setup (vs 7.1 with no bi-wiring/bi-amping). If you would like to use bi-wiring/bi-amping AND 7.1 at the same time, you will need a dedicated amp for two channels (e.g. surround/surround back) - and connecting it to the multichannel pre outs.
Hi, you may experience some improvement by chance, but in general it is recommended to use an amplifier that provides bi-amping - and quality speakers that let you notice a difference, too...
Hi, we are just explaining the different options of speaker connections here: single wires, bi-wiring and bi-wiring + bi-amping. If supported by amp and speakers, the combination of bi-wiring and bi-amping (e.g. as shown ~ 3:50) should produce best possible results.
+ulab2000 There is no issue using 8 ohm speakers - you just need to make sure that your AVR is configured to work with 8 ohms speakers (e.g. not using the 4-6 ohm settings in this case!). Regarding the banana plugs, they usually be bought at every local hifi dealer, please understand that we cannot provide any recommendations for any specific dealer. Thank you and enjoy your surround experience!
You will get best possible results by using both at the same time, bi-amping by the amplfier and using bi-wiring to connect the tweeters/woofers to the amp separately.
@LetsPlay360andPC Hi, there is no fortunately no need to 'calculate' anything - if your speakers have 8 ohms, just set the AVR to 8 ohms speakers, too.
Hi, If supported by amp and speakers, the combination of bi-wiring and bi-amping (e.g. as shown ~ 3:50) should produce best possible results: this means that separate amps and separate cables will be used for low and high tones.
@XxKYFERxX Hi, your receiver will need to have support for bi-amping - please check with the manual of your avr or stereo receiver if a bi-amping configuration is supported.
melenmike - I noticed the same thing... Removing terminal bridges for bi-wiring and running piggyback off the same source channel. Just creating more work for yourself... Bi-amping on the other hand, you’ll benefit from.
Hi, not knowing the RTI A9 personally and after a short glance at basic specs like these are a bit more "power hungry" - so a TX-NR929 and higher could probably be a good choice to drive them...
Dumb thing I've never done was to remove the little plastic inserts and used banana plugs on the back of my Onkyo receiver. No idea why. Perhaps I never realised but I always used banana plugs to connect to the speakers so it really doesn't make any sense. Especially as using the bare wire looks untidy and is a pain when you have to move the amp. Have ordered a set of banana plugs! Feel so stupid not having done it before as it makes hooking up speakers much easier. Especially the time wasted double checking wires are the right way around. 😆
Do you need to use the same length of cables for bi-wire and bi-amp? and what is the ok difference, I am asking because I already connect the speakers with a 2m cable, can I buy came 2 m cable and connect it.
Bi-wiring just don't make sense to my thinking, it just seem the same as normal wiring just extra wire being used. But Bi-Amp makes 100% sense to me cause i can control the individual part of the speaker the high end and the low end.
I am glad I found this video, I am new to this and about to purchase the ONKYO TX-NR717 from Newegg. If I use the Bi-Wire and Bi-Amp methods above, does this replace the need for a dedicated amplifier for a 7.1 setup?
Bit late into this but what hz do you set the front bi amp speakers at? Starts from ‘full all the way to 20hz-200hz.’ What is the best option for the best sound from the two front speakers connected by bi amp? Thanks In advance.
What AWG was that speaker cable? 22AWG? I can see that milting if you listen at high volume, fire? I guess that's why you bi-wire, to give more overall copper and increase the load capacity. Or, just use 14AWG or better.
+BigBadDodge4x4 Hi, the cables shown were not chosen for a specific reason - just for demonstration. We have received a lot of questions on how to do bi-wiring and how to do bi-amping. So we set up a quick video on how to setup both. Thanks for asking!
hello, sorry for my english. question, can I only do bi-wiring from the front speakers output? If i want to use some speakers in zona B of a denon avr X1600H from its sorround back output, can i be-wire?
This is a brilliant and simple video. I have got A+B selectors for the main front speakers on my receiver. Can i connect my B&W speakers mid range to A and low range to B? Will this work? I just want to make sure I am doing it right. Thanks and I subscribed :)
Why you would run two sets of cables from the same amplifier outputs to the speaker is beyond me. This does absolutely nothing different to just having one set of wires and leaving the jumpers in place between the two sets of terminals on the speaker. All you're doing is making more of a mess behind your amp and spending more on cables than you need to! Bi-amping, as is shown at the end of the video will indeed make a difference to the sound as you're essentially doubling the power to the speaker (one amplifier channel to each driver) but just bi-wiring is a completely pointless thing to do.
+tiddlesriddles I have to agree with you 100% I just think bi-wiring is a sales gimmick to spend more money in store when you buy a new receiver. But Bi-amp would be a great thing
Hi, your amp should provide separate amplification channels for woofer/tweeter to enjoy bi-amping - a pure 2 channel amp with 1 channel for woofer and tweeter will not provide sufficient results ...
tiddlesriddles sorry but my movies and music sound much different before i biwired as showned.and i am using an onkyo HT-R 593.i use the cerwin verga speakers.
Good morning. Please. I have receiver ONKYO TX NR3010.I have a doubt!! The "difference" of the FIRST installation (wires plugged in the other one) and the SECOND installation (each wire placed separately)? Which setup would be better? or the two installations are the same?? Wait Your Answer. Sávio.
what do i need if my speakers dont have the input for the banana plugs? mine both have; unbalanced RCA, Balanced TRS, and XLR. Any help would be great.
+Flava Hello and apologies for late reply! We assume you are using active speakers, which have the amplifier part integrated in the speakers. These speakers use an un-amplified (e.g. line level) audio signal as input. Please do NOT try to connect the amplified speaker output of an ampifier/receiver/AVR to your active speakers inputs (RCA, XLR) - you risk to damage your speakers. Instead, please use an pre-out/line-out signal as input for your speakers.
+OnkyoEU Thank you. iv spoken to staff at a local audio store since then and was told I need all new speakers :/ passive as oppose to active. I was sold my turntable and active speakers as a combo lol. thanks for the confirmation though, before I started forcing cables between them all :)
Using a single wiring method, what is the best recommendation regarding connecting to the speaker terminals? High Frequency or Low Frequency Terminals? Please advise. Thank you.
Hi, when using single wiring method (with bridges between woofer and tweeter terminals), you can use either the woofer or tweeter terminals for your connection. For the sound, it's more important to use quality cables and to find the best positioning for your speakers (your speaker manufacturer might have some helpful information for you)
Hi there... I always wondered if bi-amp delivers double of power to the speaker, or the difference is only the frequencies driven by each channel. What is the real difference? Thanks
Hi Onkyo EU, 1---while watching this video, a question came to my mind. When the power goes to the speakers at the back with" Jumper connectors" (i.e both the four terminals at the back are connected to each other) and then when we send the cables individually one set to terminals to Tweeters and other set of cable to woofers, does it not potentially make the tweeters to get more power to damage or blow them up?.....or is it that the crossover has filter not to damage the tweeters, but even in normal conditions the tweeters are blown off if volume is pumped up...... 2--- Did you feel any difference by doing bi-amp process? 3-I am sort of audiophile and have 5.1 Polk audio new speaker system with almost new Yamaha receiver, do you think it will make a difference by doing bi-wiring, just want to get your review. Please share your thought about it. Thanks.
Hi Arshad, to make it short: In general, we suggest removing the bridges at the speaker terminals and using separate cables for tweeter/woofer and bi-amping mode for best possible audio quality. If it's worth the effort? That's very subjective and difficult to tell: the overall audio quality depends on the source material, your playback device, the amp, the cables, the speakers - and last but not least your ears and your personal taste. So there will be no quick and easy answer to this question :-)
i never heard of such a thing,oh i guess i did,my old kenwood car amp,you could make the amp power a subwoofer ,connect suibwoofer to both channels of amp,...125 by 125 a channel= 250 to subwoofer,but i never did it.
I have my FR and FL hooked up to my Cyrus amp via pre out. Can I add cables from the reciver to the speakers as well as from my Cyrus amp. Is that bi amping i think I'm kind of getting it ? Thanks Ryan Thanks
Hello Ryan, for bi-amping, please be use to use one amp per speaker only, e.g. not using different amps for high/low speakers. This might damage your speakers - or will not create a decent sound experience, at least. You will need a receiver that supports bi-amping. This receiver will offer 4 speaker terminals for each bi-amped channel, e.g. Front left: +/- terminals for tweeter +/- terminals for woofer Front right: +/- terminals for tweeter +/- terminals for woofer Please checkout the following new video on bi-amping using a TX-RZ830 that a colleague created: th-cam.com/video/gOtzlUPf7jU/w-d-xo.html Hope this answers your question?
Hi, Onkyo AV receivers usually support 4-16 or 6-16 ohms impedance speakers. Depending on the AVR, you might need to adjust the impedance setting in the AVR settings, verifying it''s set for 6 ohms speakers. Thanks!
Hi, no need to worry about the brand of the speaker manufacturer - each speaker model itself will make a difference. If you like the sound also depends very much on your personal impression and prefence. You might like the sound of some speakers while some one else prefers some completely different sound. In addition, the actual sound also depends on your listening environment (room size, furniture, etc.) and the position of the speakers in the room. You may want to try different positions, comparing the results...
OnkyoEU good lookin out i appreciate that. i will have a further look into it, im not gnna buy a receiver with bluetooith and airplay and all that nonsens, because the cheapest receiver nowadays already got that 4.1 hdmi. and 5.1 surround. and i am only gonna use it for my pc and ps3/ps4. so it will work out i guess. once again, thanks for your reply.
Hi Harald, this depends on the product / model. You will find this information in the product manual (also available on our website www.eu.onkyo.com). Please feel also free to contact our customer care team for this kind of information, eg. via phone: www.eu.onkyo.com/en/customer-care-hotline-42615.html Thank you!
+Linux Top Info Hi, to clarify: The development process, audio engineering and design is done in Japan. Manufacturing is done in Onkyo factories in different countries, including (but not limited to) China.
Really noob question ... but please ansswer if you single run 2 speakers at 8 ohms each would the amp see this as 8 ohms or 16??? thankyou someone please answer !! :)
sorry if its 2 speakers 1 left 1right then its 8 ohms if you try and put two speakers in one connection left or and right it would then be 4 ohms but not a good idea as it might damage your system in time running a heavy four ohm load
So the term "amplifier" does not refer to the Receiver! The Amplifiers basically are the different channels within the same Receiver. is there any sound quality difference between bi-wiring or bi-amping? I think it's better to bi-amp since you don't have to connect 2 cables to the same binding post on the back of the Receiver.
Hi Victor, absolutely correct. It refers to the amps within the receiver. Using separate amps for tweeter/woofer (bi-amping) with separate cables for tweeter/woofer (bi-wiring) is considered to offer the best possible audio quality. Some people say you won't hear a difference - others say it's worth the effort. It will be up to you to decide...
OnkyoEU Thanks a lot! To me, bi-amping seems the best solution ever and I really noticed the difference compared to when the speakers weren't bi-amped, so I've chosen to bi-amp them to achieve the best sound quality possible from my TXNR636! :)
Vylkeer There are 2 schools of thought here that you need to realize. Bi-Amping (Passive) which is the most commonly done, still using the crossover in the speakers, and Bi-Amping (Active) which completely bypasses the the speakers crossover. Since you are 9/10 times going to use Passive Bi-Amping, there shouldn't be much difference in sound quality, if any when using a receiver. All receivers are rated at 2 Channel Driven... assuming you listen to 2ch music, you will be getting the most power out of you amplifier and driving the speakers better (imo) by leaving the jumpers in and doing a conventional wiring setup (2 wires). When you Bi-Wire using a receiver, you use 4 Channels (4 integrated amps) thus degrading the performance of the receiver when driving the speakers... the same applies for the more channels you add in 5.1 or 7.1/9.1/11.1 setups. For example, my Pioneer Elite AVR SC-87 is 145W/ch @ 2Ch driven, or 845w Total Power @ 9ch driven... which roughly comes out to 93.3 W/ch when I use EVERY channel... So if I do a conventional wiring (2 wires), my front speakers will see 145W/ch each, but if I Bi-Wire, the speakers will see about 128W/ch each at Hi and Low cross over points @ 4 Channels Driven on my AV Receiver. If you really want to enjoy the full effects of bi-wiring, you need discrete separate amplifiers with a pre-amp, not a AV receiver. Just a note for you to ponder. Discrete Lower Power, vs High Current direct power in AVRs.
Ryan Fuller A lot has changed since I originally wrote my comment and have expanded my knowledge ever since. I've found out an awesome dedicated Amp, the Cinenova Grande 7 which is rated at 330W/Ch @ 8 Ohms (RMS - All Channels Driven) x 7.1 channels and it's awesome. The perfect choice for someone like me who wants to enjoy pure powerful surround sound for movies, TV Shows and Games and still be able to listen to great 2.1 Stereo Music or even Surround Music which isn't that bad. It s a bit expensive but it's a quality amplifier and it's like having 7 mono separate amplifiers so the power stream is stable and reliable and they have great capacitors to guarantee all of this. And finally it's rated with all the channels driven, so each and every channel is getting the rated power and it's RMS so it's continuous not peak power. My current Onkyo TXNR-838 is rated 130W/Ch (2-channels driven) so the other ones are probably getting like 70 - 80 W and this power ratings aren't even RMS. So yeah, my dream is to buy this beast and use it with a 5.2 setup and having the two main fronts Bi-Amped (Highs / Lows) and every other channel Bi-Wired, just like I have it set up now.
+Jasdev Singh Hi, we do not specifically recommend bi-wiring alone - while bi-amping can definitely increase your listening experience, also depending on the speakers and cabling used (e.g. the thinkness/diameter should match the requirements of your speakers...).
+OnkyoEU thanks Onkyo EU, I have Onkyo receiver and I have done that bi-amp for my front two speakers however as mentioned below (someone posted that) Bi-wire from same receiver can degrade the amp performance. Since I have 5.1 with bi amp, all my connections are running out. I want to setup 5.1.2 and thinking to do biwire front speakers to save two channels for height or back(atmos). what wire or cable do you recommend for biwire for onkyo tx-nr636. Front speakers are q acoustics 3050 floor standing. Thanks.
+Jasdev Singh Hi, the following link might be helpful in selection an appropriate speaker cable thinkness depending on impededance and cable lenght: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaker_wire (Please see the table "Maximum wire lengths for two conductor copper wire")
why would you use another set of cables to do the same wiring you had on your speakers? I don't understand purpose of this. you are using the same 2 channels on the same 2 speakers and in both situations tweeter and woofer are in parallel. makes no sense to me.
Yes, there can be - but also depending on your speakers, cables, speaker positioning and the listening environment in general. The benefits can be very small but noticable - if you have a chance to notice them (e.g. not with the cheapest speakers, not if you live close to a busy street, not if you put speakers in a room with lots of reflections, etc. etc.). So there is no "Yes, sure!" or "No, not at all!" answer here... :-)
@@OnkyoEU I'm not sure whether I should biamp my fronts, get an external amp of simply upgrade my center in hopes of achieving a better soundstage. A real dilemma I tell you ;) what do you think sir?
@@bzorro1 A dedicated center can be very beneficial when watching movies (improving reproduction of dialogs). Playing with your speaker placement will most likely have more impact and more benefits than biamping...
This receiver is NOT set up to correctly enjoy true Bi-Wire sound on a receiver that has the right way to set it up it will have dual amplifiers and a crossover to keep bass from reaching the tweeters and only bass note (which requires MORE amplification than the tweeters or midrange speakers) and it will sound amazing and this set up will sound good too it just doesn't give it the true benefits of a real bi wired receiver.
You would a bit with this setup on the video, separate amplifiers within the receiver will help combat distortion at higher volumes but with the amplifiers using the same transformer you risk getting crosstalk between the channels. True Bi-Amp/Bi-Wiring involves using two or more (Tri-Amping) separate amplifiers with there own transformers. You would also need an Active Crossover between your amplifiers and pre-amplifier to split the high, mid/low frequencies to each amplifier (Bi amping means you send high frequency signals to one amplifier, and low frequency to the other). You would then need to remove the passive crossovers from your speakers as this will just halt the true Bi-Amplification, and connect the drivers directly to the amplifier outputs.
Not sure what you mean by "reverting" it - to follow up in case of a specific problem, would you mind getting in touch with our colleagues at customercare_eu@eu.onkyo.com who will be glad to find out what is happening/what needs to be done ? Many thanks!
narrator sounds like a banana plug. haha! jk, this is a good video. but does bi-wiring sound any better than a single wire on amps that don't support bi-amping?
CABLES??? You call those dental floss speaker "cables"???? Those are the kind of speaker "wires" you buy at a 1 DOLLAR STORE!!!! Can't Onkyo afford DECENT speaker cables???? Or are you suggesting people buy crap like the ones used in this demo???? Yikes!!!
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Onkyo will always be amazing. I found a TX-SR508 in goodwill for like $15 and it still works very well and strong. Onkyo is very reliable.
BEAUTIFUL.....After watching so many videos regarding bi amp, this one is so easy and step by step. I learnt very easily and quick from this video. This is how education is made easy. Thank you so much for such a useful clip.
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Hi, the effect is perfectly retained. Bi-amping + bi-wiring improves the quality of the audio reproduction by the speakers (by driving the tweeters and woofers separately) - and does not modify the audio signal (like e.g. DSP effect processing). The quality of the original audio *signal* is basically left untouched.
I used this as a response below, but thought I would share it here up top so others can get some light shed on the subject:
________________________________________
There are 2 schools of thought here that you need to realize. Bi-Amping (Passive) which is the most commonly done, still using the crossover in the speakers, and Bi-Amping (Active) which completely bypasses the the speakers crossover.
Since you are 9/10 times going to use Passive Bi-Amping, there shouldn't be much difference in sound quality, if any when using a receiver. All receivers are rated at 2 Channel Driven... assuming you listen to 2ch music, you will be getting the most power out of you amplifier and driving the speakers better (imo) by leaving the jumpers in and doing a conventional wiring setup (2 wires).
When you Bi-Wire using a receiver, you use 4 Channels (4 integrated amps) thus degrading the performance of the receiver when driving the speakers... the same applies for the more channels you add in 5.1 or 7.1/9.1/11.1 setups.
For example, my Pioneer Elite AVR SC-87 is 145W/ch @ 2Ch driven, or 845w Total Power @ 9ch driven... which roughly comes out to 93.3 W/ch when I use EVERY channel... So if I do a conventional wiring (2 wires), my front speakers will see 145W/ch each, but if I Bi-Wire, the speakers will see about 128W/ch each at Hi and Low cross over points @ 4 Channels Driven on my AV Receiver.
If you really want to enjoy the full effects of bi-wiring, you need discrete separate amplifiers with a pre-amp, not a AV receiver. Just a note for you to ponder. Discrete Lower Power, vs High Current direct power in AVRs.
@OnkyoEU I looked at my manual and my receiver can support bi-amping. I have connected the speakers to the A+B selectors and it works perfectly. I have also made sure the ohms haven't dropped under 4 ohms, so i know its safe. Thankyou very much for your instructions and for posting this video..
Very informative and easy to understand. Thank you for sharing.
Hi there and thanks for your inquiry. You could look at it like this: by using bi-amping + bi-wiring, each driver for high and low is backed up by a separate amp module in the AVR. If you are using one cable for both high and low drivers, they will have to share the available power. Nethertheless you cannot say the power is "doubled", as the actual output also depends on a number of other factors. If you have the chance to bi-wire & bi-amp, it should be the preferred.
Short version: the advantage is a better quality of the audio signal due to less interference between high and low signals. Long version: Wikipedia as a nice article on "bi-wiring" with more details. Thanks for asking!
Just run bi-wire from a pioneer amp, woofers from speakers A and tweeters from speakers B. Rather thick cable for the woofers (using more wats) and a old thin speaker cable for the tweeters.
Speakers are Wharfedale Diamond 225.
Improvement in sound is remarkable! More detail, a more clear tweeter, a more rapid and articulated bass.
A lot of people recomend to change the bridge on Dimonds from the original plate to a strip of real speaker cable. Could be worth a try if not bi-wiring.
For my rig, bi-wiring from seperate speaker conection, A and B, made a huuuuge difference. MAGA - make audio great again!
@poolehart Usually you would use bi-wiring for speakers which have separate inputs for bass and tweeters (using a bridge in a non-bi-wired configuration). If you would like to connect a sub which shares the front outputs for satellites - there is usually no need to use bi-wiring in this configuration. The sub will filter out the frequency that it supports - and passing on the other frequencies to the satellites...
Hi, if you want to use bi-wiring/bi-amping for your front speakers, 2 channels of the amp will be used for this - this means you can listen up to 5.1 in this kind of setup (vs 7.1 with no bi-wiring/bi-amping). If you would like to use bi-wiring/bi-amping AND 7.1 at the same time, you will need a dedicated amp for two channels (e.g. surround/surround back) - and connecting it to the multichannel pre outs.
Hi, you may experience some improvement by chance, but in general it is recommended to use an amplifier that provides bi-amping - and quality speakers that let you notice a difference, too...
Hi, we are just explaining the different options of speaker connections here: single wires, bi-wiring and bi-wiring + bi-amping. If supported by amp and speakers, the combination of bi-wiring and bi-amping (e.g. as shown ~ 3:50) should produce best possible results.
+ulab2000 There is no issue using 8 ohm speakers - you just need to make sure that your AVR is configured to work with 8 ohms speakers (e.g. not using the 4-6 ohm settings in this case!). Regarding the banana plugs, they usually be bought at every local hifi dealer, please understand that we cannot provide any recommendations for any specific dealer. Thank you and enjoy your surround experience!
OnkyoEU
You will get best possible results by using both at the same time, bi-amping by the amplfier and using bi-wiring to connect the tweeters/woofers to the amp separately.
@LetsPlay360andPC Hi, there is no fortunately no need to 'calculate' anything - if your speakers have 8 ohms, just set the AVR to 8 ohms speakers, too.
Hi, If supported by amp and speakers, the combination of bi-wiring and bi-amping (e.g. as shown ~ 3:50) should produce best possible results: this means that separate amps and separate cables will be used for low and high tones.
@XxKYFERxX Hi, your receiver will need to have support for bi-amping - please check with the manual of your avr or stereo receiver if a bi-amping configuration is supported.
Bi-wire is a option if you lost your iron klips from the terminals :)
melenmike - I noticed the same thing... Removing terminal bridges for bi-wiring and running piggyback off the same source channel. Just creating more work for yourself... Bi-amping on the other hand, you’ll benefit from.
Why not just jump the speaker terminals with a short wire, then?
Hi, not knowing the RTI A9 personally and after a short glance at basic specs like these are a bit more "power hungry" - so a TX-NR929 and higher could probably be a good choice to drive them...
Perfect thanks!🙃🎉
Dumb thing I've never done was to remove the little plastic inserts and used banana plugs on the back of my Onkyo receiver. No idea why. Perhaps I never realised but I always used banana plugs to connect to the speakers so it really doesn't make any sense. Especially as using the bare wire looks untidy and is a pain when you have to move the amp. Have ordered a set of banana plugs!
Feel so stupid not having done it before as it makes hooking up speakers much easier. Especially the time wasted double checking wires are the right way around. 😆
Do you need to use the same length of cables for bi-wire and bi-amp? and what is the ok difference, I am asking because I already connect the speakers with a 2m cable, can I buy came 2 m cable and connect it.
Hi, it is always recommended to use bi-wiring with bi-amping. Using bi-wiring without bi-amping might not produce any noticable results...
Bi-wiring just don't make sense to my thinking, it just seem the same as normal wiring just extra wire being used. But Bi-Amp makes 100% sense to me cause i can control the individual part of the speaker the high end and the low end.
Hi, in case you are referring to the speaker plugs, they are commonly called "banana plugs"..
Yes, the combination of bi-amping and bi-wiring is pretty obvious, but bi-wiring on it's own is not. :)
I am glad I found this video, I am new to this and about to purchase the ONKYO TX-NR717 from Newegg. If I use the Bi-Wire and Bi-Amp methods above, does this replace the need for a dedicated amplifier for a 7.1 setup?
@destroyed96 Hi, the receiver needs to have support for bi-amping in order to make this work.
Bit late into this but what hz do you set the front bi amp speakers at? Starts from ‘full all the way to 20hz-200hz.’ What is the best option for the best sound from the two front speakers connected by bi amp? Thanks In advance.
What AWG was that speaker cable? 22AWG? I can see that milting if you listen at high volume, fire? I guess that's why you bi-wire, to give more overall copper and increase the load capacity. Or, just use 14AWG or better.
+BigBadDodge4x4 Hi, the cables shown were not chosen for a specific reason - just for demonstration. We have received a lot of questions on how to do bi-wiring and how to do bi-amping. So we set up a quick video on how to setup both. Thanks for asking!
hello, sorry for my english. question, can I only do bi-wiring from the front speakers output? If i want to use some speakers in zona B of a denon avr X1600H from its sorround back output, can i be-wire?
This is a brilliant and simple video. I have got A+B selectors for the main front speakers on my receiver. Can i connect my B&W speakers mid range to A and low range to B? Will this work? I just want to make sure I am doing it right. Thanks and I subscribed :)
did you get an answer to this question? im too curious if bi-wireing sounds any better than just the single cable.
Hi, we are afraid that the DTR-9.1 does not support bi-amping...
Not including bi-amping, does bi-wire sound better than just one cable going into each speaker
Hi, we're afraid that bi-amping is available with higher models only (e.g. TX-NR717)...
Why you would run two sets of cables from the same amplifier outputs to the speaker is beyond me. This does absolutely nothing different to just having one set of wires and leaving the jumpers in place between the two sets of terminals on the speaker. All you're doing is making more of a mess behind your amp and spending more on cables than you need to! Bi-amping, as is shown at the end of the video will indeed make a difference to the sound as you're essentially doubling the power to the speaker (one amplifier channel to each driver) but just bi-wiring is a completely pointless thing to do.
+tiddlesriddles I have to agree with you 100% I just think bi-wiring is a sales gimmick to spend more money in store when you buy a new receiver. But Bi-amp would be a great thing
Hi, your amp should provide separate amplification channels for woofer/tweeter to enjoy bi-amping - a pure 2 channel amp with 1 channel for woofer and tweeter will not provide sufficient results ...
tiddlesriddles sorry but my movies and music sound much different before i biwired as showned.and i am using an onkyo HT-R 593.i use the cerwin verga speakers.
Good morning. Please. I have receiver ONKYO TX NR3010.I have a doubt!!
The "difference" of the FIRST installation (wires plugged in the other one) and the SECOND installation (each wire placed separately)? Which setup would be better? or the two installations are the same?? Wait Your Answer. Sávio.
what do i need if my speakers dont have the input for the banana plugs? mine both have; unbalanced RCA, Balanced TRS, and XLR. Any help would be great.
+Flava Hello and apologies for late reply! We assume you are using active speakers, which have the amplifier part integrated in the speakers. These speakers use an un-amplified (e.g. line level) audio signal as input. Please do NOT try to connect the amplified speaker output of an ampifier/receiver/AVR to your active speakers inputs (RCA, XLR) - you risk to damage your speakers. Instead, please use an pre-out/line-out signal as input for your speakers.
+OnkyoEU Thank you. iv spoken to staff at a local audio store since then and was told I need all new speakers :/ passive as oppose to active. I was sold my turntable and active speakers as a combo lol. thanks for the confirmation though, before I started forcing cables between them all :)
@OnkyoEU OK thankyou im sorry im a noob but i am getting my first system with onkyo amp :)
I don't understand bi-wiring, but then again I'm just an electronic engineer.
Thank you so much
Using a single wiring method, what is the best recommendation regarding connecting to the speaker terminals? High Frequency or Low Frequency Terminals? Please advise. Thank you.
Hi, when using single wiring method (with bridges between woofer and tweeter terminals), you can use either the woofer or tweeter terminals for your connection. For the sound, it's more important to use quality cables and to find the best positioning for your speakers (your speaker manufacturer might have some helpful information for you)
Hi there... I always wondered if bi-amp delivers double of power to the speaker, or the difference is only the frequencies driven by each channel. What is the real difference? Thanks
Where can I buy Wires for onkyo TX-NR609??
Thanks for this.
Can I still bi amp the front speakers when the speaker channel settings is at 2.1ch?
+Jesper Magnusson Hi, yes - bi-amping can also be used with 2.1 ch (e.g. on TX-NR747)
Hi Onkyo EU, 1---while watching this video, a question came to my mind. When the power goes to the speakers at the back with" Jumper connectors" (i.e both the four terminals at the back are connected to each other) and then when we send the cables individually one set to terminals to Tweeters and other set of cable to woofers, does it not potentially make the tweeters to get more power to damage or blow them up?.....or is it that the crossover has filter not to damage the tweeters, but even in normal conditions the tweeters are blown off if volume is pumped up......
2--- Did you feel any difference by doing bi-amp process?
3-I am sort of audiophile and have 5.1 Polk audio new speaker system with almost new Yamaha receiver, do you think it will make a difference by doing bi-wiring, just want to get your review.
Please share your thought about it. Thanks.
Hi Arshad, to make it short: In general, we suggest removing the bridges at the speaker terminals and using separate cables for tweeter/woofer and bi-amping mode for best possible audio quality. If it's worth the effort? That's very subjective and difficult to tell: the overall audio quality depends on the source material, your playback device, the amp, the cables, the speakers - and last but not least your ears and your personal taste. So there will be no quick and easy answer to this question :-)
Thanks for your comments OnkyoEU, i will try it, my receiver is Yamaha and the speakers are Polk audio and I love both the equipment. Thanks.
i never heard of such a thing,oh i guess i did,my old kenwood car amp,you could make the amp power a subwoofer ,connect suibwoofer to both channels of amp,...125 by 125 a channel= 250 to subwoofer,but i never did it.
ericou812 thats not biamping thats called bridging your amp :-)
I have my FR and FL hooked up to my Cyrus amp via pre out. Can I add cables from the reciver to the speakers as well as from my Cyrus amp. Is that bi amping i think I'm kind of getting it ?
Thanks Ryan
Thanks
Hello Ryan, for bi-amping, please be use to use one amp per speaker only, e.g. not using different amps for high/low speakers. This might damage your speakers - or will not create a decent sound experience, at least.
You will need a receiver that supports bi-amping. This receiver will offer 4 speaker terminals for each bi-amped channel, e.g.
Front left:
+/- terminals for tweeter
+/- terminals for woofer
Front right:
+/- terminals for tweeter
+/- terminals for woofer
Please checkout the following new video on bi-amping using a TX-RZ830 that a colleague created:
th-cam.com/video/gOtzlUPf7jU/w-d-xo.html
Hope this answers your question?
What are those black and white plug ins called?
what is a good amp to get for my RTI A9 ( i would like to biamp also)
Hi, would a 6 ohms Onkyo Receiver work with an 8 ohms Klipsch speaker?
Hi, Onkyo AV receivers usually support 4-16 or 6-16 ohms impedance speakers. Depending on the AVR, you might need to adjust the impedance setting in the AVR settings, verifying it''s set for 6 ohms speakers. Thanks!
+OnkyoEU Ok, thanks for the quick reply! Best Regards
Which one is better
does a ONKYO TX-NR509 support bi-amping?
does it make a difference if the speakers are of a different brand then the receiver?
Hi, no need to worry about the brand of the speaker manufacturer - each speaker model itself will make a difference. If you like the sound also depends very much on your personal impression and prefence. You might like the sound of some speakers while some one else prefers some completely different sound. In addition, the actual sound also depends on your listening environment (room size, furniture, etc.) and the position of the speakers in the room. You may want to try different positions, comparing the results...
OnkyoEU
good lookin out i appreciate that.
i will have a further look into it, im not gnna buy a receiver with bluetooith and airplay and all that nonsens, because the cheapest receiver nowadays already got that 4.1 hdmi.
and 5.1 surround.
and i am only gonna use it for my pc and ps3/ps4.
so it will work out i guess.
once again, thanks for your reply.
Whats the crossover frequency? Where do I set it? How many dB per octave?
Hi Harald, this depends on the product / model. You will find this information in the product manual (also available on our website www.eu.onkyo.com). Please feel also free to contact our customer care team for this kind of information, eg. via phone: www.eu.onkyo.com/en/customer-care-hotline-42615.html
Thank you!
is bi-wiring better that bi-amping
Why this product is not made i n Japan.
+Linux Top Info Hi, to clarify: The development process, audio engineering and design is done in Japan. Manufacturing is done in Onkyo factories in different countries, including (but not limited to) China.
Really noob question ... but please ansswer
if you single run 2 speakers at 8 ohms each would the amp see this as 8 ohms or 16??? thankyou someone please answer !! :)
LetsPlay360andPC it would then be 4 0hms
sorry if its 2 speakers 1 left 1right then its 8 ohms if you try and put two speakers in one connection left or and right it would then be 4 ohms but not a good idea as it might damage your system in time running a heavy four ohm load
So the term "amplifier" does not refer to the Receiver! The Amplifiers basically are the different channels within the same Receiver. is there any sound quality difference between bi-wiring or bi-amping? I think it's better to bi-amp since you don't have to connect 2 cables to the same binding post on the back of the Receiver.
Hi Victor, absolutely correct. It refers to the amps within the receiver. Using separate amps for tweeter/woofer (bi-amping) with separate cables for tweeter/woofer (bi-wiring) is considered to offer the best possible audio quality. Some people say you won't hear a difference - others say it's worth the effort. It will be up to you to decide...
OnkyoEU Thanks a lot! To me, bi-amping seems the best solution ever and I really noticed the difference compared to when the speakers weren't bi-amped, so I've chosen to bi-amp them to achieve the best sound quality possible from my TXNR636! :)
Vylkeer
There are 2 schools of thought here that you need to realize. Bi-Amping (Passive) which is the most commonly done, still using the crossover in the speakers, and Bi-Amping (Active) which completely bypasses the the speakers crossover.
Since you are 9/10 times going to use Passive Bi-Amping, there shouldn't be much difference in sound quality, if any when using a receiver.
All receivers are rated at 2 Channel Driven... assuming you listen to 2ch music, you will be getting the most power out of you amplifier and driving the speakers better (imo) by leaving the jumpers in and doing a conventional wiring setup (2 wires). When you Bi-Wire using a receiver, you use 4 Channels (4 integrated amps) thus degrading the performance of the receiver when driving the speakers... the same applies for the more channels you add in 5.1 or 7.1/9.1/11.1 setups.
For example, my Pioneer Elite AVR SC-87 is 145W/ch @ 2Ch driven, or 845w Total Power @ 9ch driven... which roughly comes out to 93.3 W/ch when I use EVERY channel...
So if I do a conventional wiring (2 wires), my front speakers will see 145W/ch each, but if I Bi-Wire, the speakers will see about 128W/ch each at Hi and Low cross over points @ 4 Channels Driven on my AV Receiver.
If you really want to enjoy the full effects of bi-wiring, you need discrete separate amplifiers with a pre-amp, not a AV receiver.
Just a note for you to ponder. Discrete Lower Power, vs High Current direct power in AVRs.
Ryan Fuller A lot has changed since I originally wrote my comment and have expanded my knowledge ever since. I've found out an awesome dedicated Amp, the Cinenova Grande 7 which is rated at 330W/Ch @ 8 Ohms (RMS - All Channels Driven) x 7.1 channels and it's awesome. The perfect choice for someone like me who wants to enjoy pure powerful surround sound for movies, TV Shows and Games and still be able to listen to great 2.1 Stereo Music or even Surround Music which isn't that bad. It
s a bit expensive but it's a quality amplifier and it's like having 7 mono separate amplifiers so the power stream is stable and reliable and they have great capacitors to guarantee all of this. And finally it's rated with all the channels driven, so each and every channel is getting the rated power and it's RMS so it's continuous not peak power. My current Onkyo TXNR-838 is rated 130W/Ch (2-channels driven) so the other ones are probably getting like 70 - 80 W and this power ratings aren't even RMS. So yeah, my dream is to buy this beast and use it with a 5.2 setup and having the two main fronts Bi-Amped (Highs / Lows) and every other channel Bi-Wired, just like I have it set up now.
what about the DTR 7.7???
Hi, does onkyo recommend doing Bi-wire?
+Jasdev Singh Hi, we do not specifically recommend bi-wiring alone - while bi-amping can definitely increase your listening experience, also depending on the speakers and cabling used (e.g. the thinkness/diameter should match the requirements of your speakers...).
+OnkyoEU thanks Onkyo EU, I have Onkyo receiver and I have done that bi-amp for my front two speakers however as mentioned below (someone posted that) Bi-wire from same receiver can degrade the amp performance. Since I have 5.1 with bi amp, all my connections are running out. I want to setup 5.1.2 and thinking to do biwire front speakers to save two channels for height or back(atmos). what wire or cable do you recommend for biwire for onkyo tx-nr636. Front speakers are q acoustics 3050 floor standing. Thanks.
+Jasdev Singh Hi, the following link might be helpful in selection an appropriate speaker cable thinkness depending on impededance and cable lenght: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaker_wire (Please see the table "Maximum wire lengths for two conductor copper wire")
+OnkyoEU Thanks for your suggestion. Just the last question: What would you recommend to keep, bi-wire or bi-amp?
+Jasdev Singh In general, we would recommend using bi-amping to get the best results...
Wow
Sorry, the DTR 7.7 does not have bi-amping, either.
why would you use another set of cables to do the same wiring you had on your speakers? I don't understand purpose of this. you are using the same 2 channels on the same 2 speakers and in both situations tweeter and woofer are in parallel. makes no sense to me.
Are there real sonic benefits to biamping?
Yes, there can be - but also depending on your speakers, cables, speaker positioning and the listening environment in general. The benefits can be very small but noticable - if you have a chance to notice them (e.g. not with the cheapest speakers, not if you live close to a busy street, not if you put speakers in a room with lots of reflections, etc. etc.). So there is no "Yes, sure!" or "No, not at all!" answer here... :-)
@@OnkyoEU I'm not sure whether I should biamp my fronts, get an external amp of simply upgrade my center in hopes of achieving a better soundstage. A real dilemma I tell you ;) what do you think sir?
@@bzorro1 A dedicated center can be very beneficial when watching movies (improving reproduction of dialogs). Playing with your speaker placement will most likely have more impact and more benefits than biamping...
This receiver is NOT set up to correctly enjoy true Bi-Wire sound on a receiver that has the right way to set it up it will have dual amplifiers and a crossover to keep bass from reaching the tweeters and only bass note (which requires MORE amplification than the tweeters or midrange speakers) and it will sound amazing and this set up will sound good too it just doesn't give it the true benefits of a real bi wired receiver.
where comes this accent from?
Bi wiring makes no differance in sound i bet youd never be able to tell in bi amping either
You would a bit with this setup on the video, separate amplifiers within the receiver will help combat distortion at higher volumes but with the amplifiers using the same transformer you risk getting crosstalk between the channels. True Bi-Amp/Bi-Wiring involves using two or more (Tri-Amping) separate amplifiers with there own transformers.
You would also need an Active Crossover between your amplifiers and pre-amplifier to split the high, mid/low frequencies to each amplifier (Bi amping means you send high frequency signals to one amplifier, and low frequency to the other).
You would then need to remove the passive crossovers from your speakers as this will just halt the true Bi-Amplification, and connect the drivers directly to the amplifier outputs.
Not sure what you mean by "reverting" it - to follow up in case of a specific problem, would you mind getting in touch with our colleagues at customercare_eu@eu.onkyo.com who will be glad to find out what is happening/what needs to be done ? Many thanks!
narrator sounds like a banana plug. haha! jk, this is a good video. but does bi-wiring sound any better than a single wire on amps that don't support bi-amping?
hola,
KEF made in China?!
non si capisce una minchia
CABLES??? You call those dental floss speaker "cables"????
Those are the kind of speaker "wires" you buy at a 1 DOLLAR STORE!!!!
Can't Onkyo afford DECENT speaker cables???? Or are you suggesting people buy crap like the ones used in this demo????
Yikes!!!