I think everybody is so concern about image quality that they don't realize they put out a lot of crappy content. I would rather see a good content shot with smartphone or gopro that meaningless FF DOF crap
Jason S I think there is a lot of people who want to seem relevant or in the know in this strange TH-cam space to have choices influenced and confirmed from TH-cam creators. In the end - the numerous TH-cam creators are profiting on marketing marginal products which few folks ever need, even more so for those folks who diddle in video and .audio projects few will ever see. In the end, a smartphone with a stand works as well for nearly everyone including ball cap dad.
"Camcorders are cameras that are purposely made for video. But most of us just end up using hybrid cameras to do the same thing, and then we complain about the lack of video features" that's so funny! and yet so true!
To a camcorder you just need to add, a bigger battery, more memory cards and an external microphone. Just that! I think that for run and gun shooting or vlogging outdoors it's the best option.
Well, you are one of the people that actually made me make up my mind about buying a dedicated video camera... Been using DSLRs for the last 5 years but audio was crap (Canon), lenses we expensive and get damaged too easily... For the type of videos I make the NX-80 is a game changer. Great image quality even in my studio and superb audio for my lavalier mics. Love it!
I think so too. I cannot understand the desire to see a blurred background when you are wandering around outside with the camera pointed at you. Surely the purpose is for the viewer to see the surroundings. The camcorder gives in focus image with smooth background. The A7iii is jerky and hit or miss...makes no sense for vlogging. It is great for what it was designed for and that isn't vlogging. I like the comparison but would not agree with the conclusion
I have the v90 which is the step above nx80 and I love it.Yes it only has a 1 inch but if I am in a low light situation I will just pop a tiny top light into the shoe and keep moving. I agree Anthony it is perfect for both youtube and ENG, It is great for story telling , I think to many creators are worried about shallow depth of field and less about the story telling. I get that it will not be perfect in all situations but it will shine in many video situations including Vlogging.
@@kirkwardy3481 - I couldn't agree more - audio quality & STORY are so much more important than technical detail . . . until you get to the professional level. The most popular video on my channel BY FAR was shot by my wife on her iPhone . . . says it all (and how much I have to learn !).
Camcorders have simply a smaller range of use. And most often the image quality is worse compared to a dslr or mirrorless camera (in the same price range). Things i actually like about camcorders for videos are the unlimited recording time (with is actually just a artificial limitation), the better battery life and the superior image stabilisation. The worst, for me, about affordable camcorders is that they are regional locked. So if i want to record with 30 fps with a camcorder i bought here in europe, i can't. But i usually just produce videos for the web and not for tv. And all mobile devices and pc displays using 60 hz ,or more. So 25 fps video looks bad. If this changed, I will maybe consider to buy one to have the possibility to record unlimited and get smooth videos without using extra stabilisation.
Name Watcher the AF on the GH5 is a slug though. Not an issue if you are a filmmaker who is used to manual focus but if you just a dad who want to record let say a sports event or family gathering in high quality it’s a pain in the butt
I own a Canon camcorder as my main camera. My impressions of what type of camera you should buy depends on what you plan on using it for. Camcorders are excellent for shooting sports. They give you natural look as if you're seeing things with your own eyes. I'd say they are also great for shooting run-and-gun documentaries. Both situations above are when you are by yourself and you have to do everything quickly as the situation is controlling you. You can't be at a football game and yell, "Hey, stop the game until I connect my monitor!" If you are shooting your own movies, then the DSLR style camera would be better suited for the job. These cameras have bigger sensors and various lenses to allow you to get the look & feel you want. They give you what everyone refers to as the Cinematic look. In this situation, you are in control of what you are shooting. You can take plenty of time to set everything up perfectly, which includes adding a monitor, audio, lighting, etc. So there you have it, two different cameras, which do two different types of jobs. My advice is to not go out and buy a camera cause you think its cool, if you do, you could end up with a camera that is wrong for the job. Figure out what you'll be mainly using the camera for, and then go out and buy the camera that can produce the best quality video for that purpose. Sports, weddings, vlogging, movies, documentaries, they all have their own challenges and certain cameras do a better job for each.
I would actually say that you're kinda wrong in your assessment. I say this b/c it's not about what you're shooting but about the look you're going for. I am super pissed when I see travel photos or video with bokeh in the background, but I also know people who love that look.
@@jamalpeoples3736 While that is true, it is also not always practical. For example, I have shot video of a marathon. The only way you can follow the race is on a bicycle. If you want a cinematic look, you don't have time to set your camera in each location along with a monitor, etc. When the runners pass by you, you have to pack up all your gear, race to the next location before the runners get there, and setup all your gear again. A situation like this is called "Run & Gun". You need a camcorder that is compact and turns on fast. So even if there is a certain "look" you are trying to achieve, you're going to miss most of your shots because you won't be able to keep up with the pace of the race.
@@ksmackvolleyball Aggre, but is you, not the camera which create the look. Chinimatic is more about the professionalism in telling a story, then how picture look.
I noticed that as well. The dynamic range difference is pretty obvious when he did the outdoor vlogging test. Those shadows have way more detail and the highlights aren't blown out.
The a7iii actually has better dynamic range it's one of the best lowlight cameras on the market. His settings are probably set up for less DR and more contrast he's also using a cheap variable ND filter and he's using a lens that's not particularly "fast" the software on the handycam is set up to control noise and DR on the one and only lens it's calibrated. Also the mirrorless files are made to be color graded look at anyone who is more professional that actually professional color graded them and it's way better.
@@TheEverydayDad btw, did you see the Sharp 8k camera prototype? I hope that will give a wake-up call for other camera manufacturers! Also there will be few 48mp smarthones! Coming up a very interesting year in camera industry.
@@PyrateGraphics I willl sheeshn't @ u. There are several people making living from self videoing. As I'm not one of them, but damn I miss a flipout screen from Nikon after I switched to Sony. I need it from time to time for timelapse videos when I'm working...
I'm not really a vlogger. My videos are more of the how to variety. When I started I assumed that videos required a video camera, so I bought a Sony FDR AX33 and have really liked it. The longer depth of field helps guaranty what I'm working on stays in focus. Its been easy to set up and easy to use. When it went in for repair (after 4 years of harsh use) I went to an M50, it was nice, but way harder or should I say more fiddly, so get reliable video on. I would love to try out the better video cameras like the NX80.
What camcorder do you recommend for POV adult content?
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I'm shooting on an FDR-AX100 4K and I want to thank you very much for being a person who takes the comparison of camera and DSLR seriously. A lot of people who shoot on DSLR are so strongly against the cameras. But I work better with a camera than with a DSLR.
Buy both. I use the Z90 (for its SDI output) + Top LED + ME64 top mic with AVX receiver and the A73 with a wide lens. It's horses for courses and depends on the job at hand and the speed you need in use. Buttons on the NX80/Z90 makes it easier to use in rush. The A73 with wide lens takes over where the Z90 lens stops. If you need to go low profile the A73 looks like stills camera and no one will notice you. The Z90 when rigged for news looks like what it is and attracts attention!
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I started making content with a camcorder now the sony fdr. And i must say i actually love it. Only downside is that it's heavy but exploring abandoned places i must say i love nightvision
Been saying this for the longest while now... why would you buy a camera for video then have to go through the hassle of rigging it up to get XLR Audio, ND Filters, better battery life etc? I'm looking at the Z90 and the Z190 switching out my A7S and A7SII
What would be best camera for church services? I am looking for a good Sony camcorder to go along my Sony mirrorless. Can u get a full frame camcorder etc? I will be zooming in for my shots and lighting might not be the brightest at times. Thanks for any advice/thoughts.
I use the AX700 (NX80 minus the xlr handle) for my TH-cam channel (bourbon blind) for about a year now and the only thing i wish it did better was now DOF. Otherwise, it's a beast. Best thing about it that you didn't mention? No 30 minute record limit!
I think that this was a good comparison. Too many people blow off camcorders as ‘old fashioned’. I have been using camcorders and ENG cameras since the 90’s. Now I use two GH5’s and a Panasonic AJ PX270. They are different cameras for different jobs. Most of my work is shooting live theatre, concerts and dance recitals. I wouldn’t want to tackle a job like these without the focal range, the servo zoom, the auto focus, the image stabilization, the audio features and the battery life of an ENG camera.
The trio of camcorders: Sony Z90 / NX80 / AX700 are well served if the user follows a few tutorial videos. There is even the free first half hour of Doug Jensen's 5 Hour Master Class that can be found on TH-cam. The menus are deep but I don't find them "bad" once you've been shown by a knowledgeable person. A lot of complaints are because of assumptions and impatience. e.g. the Menu button is awkward to reach. I agreed when I started to play with mine - until only a day later I found my finger going to it with ease without my brain getting in the way. A few points that swung me: My introduction to video was twenty years ago with a DVCAM Sony that cost $30K back when that was real money. I like the physical format, so sue me. On these camcorders: 6 buttons available to program as one push presets for dozens of possible options; the built in ND filters; parfocal lens (stays in focus as the lens zooms - huge feature attraction for several applications); pull out viewfinder - looks old fashioned but there's a reason for them. What accessories would I get? A minimal cage consisting of a bottom plate and a right hand side grip I can mount an accessory zoom rocker to. This would free up my left hand for operating the controls when it's off the tripod. The supplied strap feels limiting and less secure for that. Maybe include a top plate for my digital audio recorder but I'm mostly on tripod so the recorder would be mounted down on the tripod somewhere. I chose the AX700 because I already have an investment in portable XLR audio gear so I opted out of the NX80 or Z90 with their audio bridge handle. I learned later I gave up some features that handle incorporates unrelated to audio. Again that's the kind of information that the online tutorials reveal.
I really don't like the low depth of field with blurry background. In most VLOGs, being able to see what is in the background gives context to the talk. The blurry background is good for interviews and in studio talk at the camera to separate you from the background. In studio, you can use green screen. That leaves only interviews where SLR cameras are better.
I like your comparisons in this video, but can I make a little suggestion? If you divide the size of the A7iii's sensor by the size of the nx80's sensor, you'll get a multiplier that you can use for your Aperture and zoom to ACTUALLY match the footage. Tony Northrop had a really good video demonstrating this a while. back. So that f2.8 aperture you've got on the NX80 is probably more equivalent to [Aperture*Crop Factor], which is f2.8 (Aperture)*2.7(crop factor when compared to full-frame cameras) = f7.56. Now, obviously you can't get exactly f7.56, but you can choose F8.0 to get closer to what you see there. Then zoom it to 24mm*2.7, which is approximately 65mm and just back up the camera to fit properly in frame. Now your videos should be near-identical. This should make future comparison videos easier for you. Also, just as an aside, Sony's A7s line is the video-centric version of the A7 line.
I don't think you can call them the same price. Add a single F4 lens to the A7 and the a7 kit is $1k more. I do enjoy your videos, please keep up the good work.
Camcorders are great for on-the-go shooting where the shooter doesn't have time for "fiddlieness". With the NX80, you can begin shooting in like 2-3 seconds after you flip open the screen and capture good video and XLR audio. That can be an incredible advantage in many circumstances where you either got the shot or you didn't. If that matters to you, a camcorder is the way to go. Sony Camcorders are tough. I've used an X70 (earlier ver of NX80) in tough outdoor circumstances since it came out. Only time it skipped a beat was when water from a big palm tree leaf drizzled on it. Still worked but couldn't access some buttons. $500 to repair from Sony, but they did a quick/great job. Menu's: The NX video menu's don't seem complicated when coming from the video world, but may need some learning coming from the camera world. Videos out there explain what they all mean. For many users, the 'Auto' might be enough, as it's pretty good actually. The LCD also rotates so the shooter can see themself. I guess it's assumed, but.... Video cameras aren't exactly graceful to hold onto. Might need a handle for self-shooting. Also, two card slots is nice, and audio menu is good too. But you do sacrifice some of the full-frame advantages. Depends on a shooter's needs.
2:20 camera jargon doesn't change from camera to camera. The iris is the mechanism that blocks out the light, while the aperture is the size of the hole. And that has to do with the lens and not the camera it self
I did buy an A&Riii but the fact that it overheats after 15-30 mins renders it useless for me who films theatre performances/weddings. So will be going back to look at 4K prosumer camcorder.
I do like how you said why TH-camrs complain that that Hybrids aren’t video focused first they’re photography cameras that take video. Will never be as good as a video cinema focused camera.
I think the NX looks more like older Sony color science and the a7iii looks more Canonish. That is personal preference though and if it was me I'd just record Log and grade regardless of which one i'd be using. About the m50, I know you like it but it's really hard to have a 4k monitor, watching a 4k video and it's mushy. Just looks like you missed focus and I know you didnt since it's canon autofocus, so it's correct. Would bet the g9 with the autofocus pulsing would be more pleasing, tbh. I realize that it is a small setup and all, but having a Z6, a7iii and a G9 I dont understand why you would use the m50 and get a video that is not sharp. In other news, I watch all your videos and find them amazing so i'm not a hater xD
Yeah I edit on a 5k monitor and sometimes it sucks looking at the M50 video. Its good on a 1080p and below display but it gets rough the farther up you get. But I do want to mention I don’t own all these cameras, like I mentioned in the g9 video thats a loaner that I’m borrowing from B&H. I like the m50 when I need something that just works quick and packs to almost nothing.
What could that camcorder change, easy Question ... They could have made it a 3 chipper with 4K@60fps but you could have got a Sony RX10 Camera but I would rather get a Sony RX100 mk5A with its 1 inch sensor and bright f1.8 Zeiss Lens.
In this test the white balance on the camcorder is correct and the a7 has yellow cast. Did you do manual white balance before shooting or were both on auto? Cos that yellow cast is horrible!
In Japan, the regular family uses camcorder a lot to take a video of kids, sports events, etc and I used to use camcorder most of the time. But when I started watching TH-cam I bought G7 and it was so good could not go back to the camcorder. But there is a lot of great part of camcorder: zoom is so good, stabilization is so good, no time limit and so easy to use. So there is the time that I do want to get a 4K camcorder.
Did you shoot the nx80 w/ any particular profile (slog or HGL)? Curious how it would comp, say, if in HGL against the a7iii - what's the final image quality represent? (dynamic range and color)
I added a B&W digital clear filter and RodeVideoMicro for my AX53 so would do the same for the NX80 however I think this camcorder is too expensive so will wait for my dream mirror less camera to replace my older DSLR. 1. Full frame. Flippy screen. Audio port. Rock solid auto focus. Good stabilization. Good 1080p and real 4K. Why can't anyone do it. Seems like they all can get one aspect or a few but not all.
Very good point. Sony A7III is almost there, it's really weird from Sony, why don't they make a flip-screen FF camera? At least, now the A6400 was announced with unlimited, no overheating, full-sensor downconverting 4K video, but without IBIS.
What would cause random color bands on the NX80? On my 15" laptop the bands will be an inch or a little less tall and last half a second or so. It's like those lines are losing sync or something.
If you had to pick between the Sony NX80 and Canon XF400 which would you go with? I am looking for a video camera to film my hunts. Is it worth going to the Z190 or XF405 for the SDI???
as I stated in previous video I use my ax700 for most video work because it's ease of use and honestly I think the picture is sharper than a7iii but i'll use a7iii for low light work and thats basically filming indoors low light or at night. great review tho honestly i'd really consider keeping the nx80 if I were you
Hi ! Great content as always. Between Sony NX-80 and Panasonic Cx-7, which one do you suggest for better overall performance ? Like feature wise and quality wise ? Use case will be for youtube content and recording of small scall events and live streaming. Both of these cameras come with in-built streaming capability. Any advice is greatly appreciated !
NX80 is a lot sharper and the image has a lot more detail. Impressive and probably a good fit for a lightweight ENG / TH-cam dedicated video set up. Both leave a lot to be desired in the color department, but that's Sony across the board...they've still yet to get a solid handle on good color science.
I use a Panasonic AG CX-10. Its absolutely perfect, even has built in wifi AND Ethernet live streaming, built in 2 channel xlr interface with built in light, built in Nd filters, huge zoom, infrared night vision, dual card slots and can run for 8-12 hours on a battery. For 99% of things its more than anyone will ever need. And I have an m43 Lumix g9 for still photography.
But why should it be changed to NX80? the need to change lenses is another big drawback of the A7III. In my opinion, everything is very well seen, the NX 80 is many times larger than the A7III and it’s stupid to rely on Sony to make cameras better than their own camcorders
Some camcorders have filter threads that you can use for conversion lenses in a pinch. The Sony NX80 is one of them. In many cases a good quality zoom lens is enough.
Video quality on a7iii is amazing the color profile is amazing, the other camera looks like a regular good camera the a7iii colors pop and clarity is amazing just my 2 cents. I have the a6300 and after this I really wan to sell it and but the a7iii. Thanks. Looks like a feature film video. Did you color grade this test video?
You know, I have the a6300 as well, and the colors are really similar to the a7lll. I dont think its worth upgrading, unless you are going professional. Otherwise good luck!
DSLR if you want to take 2 hours to shoot a 15 minute video while carrying a extra lenses, mounts, batteries, spend a lot more money, etc... and a Camcorder if you want to take 15 minutes to shoot a 15 minute video in one all encompassing neat & tidy package! 😂
I have AX700, same features, sensor, like NX80... it's so easy to use, video quality is amazing, microphone is amazing, autofocus fast...only downside is that it can shoot only up to 8-bit video, 4k 30fps, 1080p up to 120fps...but also 480p slow motion 960fps
Both Z90 and NX80 (only difference is the SDI port) are set for semi-professional use (live broadcasting video journalism). I think you compare "apples with peaches" :). A7 is a camera for photo shooting, meanwhile the NX is a semi-pro camera for shooting video (especially for live broadcasting). Anyway, nice review.
I used to have a handycam. It was so easy to use and compact. Zoom was 50x and it was very clear in great lighting conditions, but it's really not usable for taking pictures. Now I have the a6400, although this is a zoom kit lens, it's bulkier and heavier, but it takes pics 10000000x better, video is also great! It's just that I have to bring the zoom lens with me everytime I go out.
The NX-80 is clearly superior for video. I would expect that because it was built from the ground up for video. I don’t see why any professional would use hybrid camera for video. If one must use a hybrid buy a gimbal. Not impressed by any existing stabilization.
I skipped through a little, but I am wondering why you chose 4K30, because the A7III has a crop in that framerate and resolution. 4K24 would have been better for the comparison, in my opinion.
I like the NX80 as it seems more realistic on what you think the lighting would look like. But, for $2k plus? Neither in the everyday user. Are the results good? You bet, but there is no way that I would (I could) spend that much coin for any video device. It would have to be perfect for me to spend anywhere close to $1k. 2k is never never land. Just like $1k for a cell phone, not happening.... 😬 Thanks for the video and I think maybe going for a sub $1000 video cam vs the NX80 comparison video should be popular... Take care, Bill in Utah
I honestly thought that the “an actual video camera” part of your title was referring to the Sony A7iii. At one time I shot on the Sony AX100 (Camcorder) but it wasn’t versatile enough for much of the video related stuff I was trying to do. It’s really difficult to achieve certain looks that you can get from interchangeable lenses. So I moved to the Panasonic GH5 for about a year then I eventually moved to the A7iii.
For the video camera, save some money and get the Sony AX700 instead of the NX80. It's the same camera without the audio options on the handle and wi-fi. One thing to remember is that the AX 700 and NX80 added picture profiles to the camera and include HLG shooting for those who are interested in that. It should have been easier to match your cameras if you were looking to have similar colors. The good thing I found with the video camera vs my mirrorless is that the video camera has no record time limit and is better as a 'set and forget' camera. I can start recording and come back two hours later to stop it. The lack of good low light does make it harder to use the NX80/AX700 in run and gun situations.
@@TheEverydayDad the older ax100 is still an option. We havent gotten rid of the 2 we have yet as the updates for us seem pretty marginal for what we use them for, which is mostly stage productions
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I think everybody is so concern about image quality that they don't realize they put out a lot of crappy content. I would rather see a good content shot with smartphone or gopro that meaningless FF DOF crap
Oh my God you just offended a bunch of Peter Mckinnon wannabes 🤣😁
HHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
Don't go to my channel.
youtube camera?? the disrespect is real lol
He tells people what he see, so it's ok bro!
LMAOO 😂
Adam Johnson I was just about to say the same thing
As funny as it may seem, I do think that TH-cam is influencing the video camera industry.
Jason S I think there is a lot of people who want to seem relevant or in the know in this strange TH-cam space to have choices influenced and confirmed from TH-cam creators. In the end - the numerous TH-cam creators are profiting on marketing marginal products which few folks ever need, even more so for those folks who diddle in video and .audio projects few will ever see.
In the end, a smartphone with a stand works as well for nearly everyone including ball cap dad.
Just bought the NX80!
Edit: I used it to film my trip to Japan. It's not online, but the quality is excellent. I regret nothing.
"Camcorders are cameras that are purposely made for video. But most of us just end up using hybrid cameras to do the same thing, and then we complain about the lack of video features" that's so funny! and yet so true!
Tell me about it 🤣
And even companies like Black Magic cater to these people and make the Black Magic Pocket Cinema camera in a form factor like a DSLR.
The issue with camcorders its only the sensor size.
So sick of blurry backgrounds for the sake of blurry backgrounds.
It's more about isolating the actual subject.
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NX80 is miles ahead. Win by knockout!
I use the NX90. Non stop (2 hours +) 120fps recording at full HD. Allows me to capture high speed racing & crashes in flawless slomo.
I have the AX700 and its not just the footage recording thats great, its the pro settings that i love.
did you mean to type NX80? Can't find any NX90's
To a camcorder you just need to add, a bigger battery, more memory cards and an external microphone. Just that! I think that for run and gun shooting or vlogging outdoors it's the best option.
Yeah it’s actually pretty darn good 👍
The Sony NX80 kills that Sony A7III. The video looked sharper on the NX80 and it had a better look in my opinion. Good video.
Well, you are one of the people that actually made me make up my mind about buying a dedicated video camera... Been using DSLRs for the last 5 years but audio was crap (Canon), lenses we expensive and get damaged too easily... For the type of videos I make the NX-80 is a game changer. Great image quality even in my studio and superb audio for my lavalier mics. Love it!
Gotta say, I’m liking the NX80 picture better. Couple that with a simple shotgun mic and you’ve got a rig that might work for both TH-cam and ENG.
Oh nice! It’s a serious tool for sure and I was really impressed with all of the features.
I think so too. I cannot understand the desire to see a blurred background when you are wandering around outside with the camera pointed at you. Surely the purpose is for the viewer to see the surroundings.
The camcorder gives in focus image with smooth background. The A7iii is jerky and hit or miss...makes no sense for vlogging.
It is great for what it was designed for and that isn't vlogging.
I like the comparison but would not agree with the conclusion
I have the v90 which is the step above nx80 and I love it.Yes it only has a 1 inch but if I am in a low light situation I will just pop a tiny top light into the shoe and keep moving. I agree Anthony it is perfect for both youtube and ENG, It is great for story telling , I think to many creators are worried about shallow depth of field and less about the story telling. I get that it will not be perfect in all situations but it will shine in many video situations including Vlogging.
@@kirkwardy3481 - I couldn't agree more - audio quality & STORY are so much more important than technical detail . . . until you get to the professional level. The most popular video on my channel BY FAR was shot by my wife on her iPhone . . . says it all (and how much I have to learn !).
Camcorders have simply a smaller range of use. And most often the image quality is worse compared to a dslr or mirrorless camera (in the same price range).
Things i actually like about camcorders for videos are the unlimited recording time (with is actually just a artificial limitation), the better battery life and the superior image stabilisation.
The worst, for me, about affordable camcorders is that they are regional locked. So if i want to record with 30 fps with a camcorder i bought here in europe, i can't. But i usually just produce videos for the web and not for tv. And all mobile devices and pc displays using 60 hz ,or more. So 25 fps video looks bad. If this changed, I will maybe consider to buy one to have the possibility to record unlimited and get smooth videos without using extra stabilisation.
Camcorder footage looks more like TV and mirrorless footage looks more like film. The stabilization on the camcorder is very impressive, though.
He needs a GH5. Amazing stabilization with mirrorless film look.
Name Watcher the AF on the GH5 is a slug though. Not an issue if you are a filmmaker who is used to manual focus but if you just a dad who want to record let say a sports event or family gathering in high quality it’s a pain in the butt
I own a Canon camcorder as my main camera.
My impressions of what type of camera you should buy depends on what you plan on using it for.
Camcorders are excellent for shooting sports. They give you natural look as if you're seeing things with your own eyes.
I'd say they are also great for shooting run-and-gun documentaries.
Both situations above are when you are by yourself and you have to do everything quickly as the situation is controlling you.
You can't be at a football game and yell, "Hey, stop the game until I connect my monitor!"
If you are shooting your own movies, then the DSLR style camera would be better suited for the job. These cameras have bigger sensors and various lenses to allow you to get the look & feel you want.
They give you what everyone refers to as the Cinematic look.
In this situation, you are in control of what you are shooting.
You can take plenty of time to set everything up perfectly, which includes adding a monitor, audio, lighting, etc.
So there you have it, two different cameras, which do two different types of jobs.
My advice is to not go out and buy a camera cause you think its cool, if you do, you could end up with a camera that is wrong for the job.
Figure out what you'll be mainly using the camera for, and then go out and buy the camera that can produce the best quality video for that purpose.
Sports, weddings, vlogging, movies, documentaries, they all have their own challenges and certain cameras do a better job for each.
Very well put 😁👍
I would actually say that you're kinda wrong in your assessment. I say this b/c it's not about what you're shooting but about the look you're going for. I am super pissed when I see travel photos or video with bokeh in the background, but I also know people who love that look.
@@jamalpeoples3736 While that is true, it is also not always practical.
For example, I have shot video of a marathon.
The only way you can follow the race is on a bicycle.
If you want a cinematic look, you don't have time to set your camera in each location along with a monitor, etc.
When the runners pass by you, you have to pack up all your gear, race to the next location before the runners get there, and setup all your gear again.
A situation like this is called "Run & Gun". You need a camcorder that is compact and turns on fast.
So even if there is a certain "look" you are trying to achieve, you're going to miss most of your shots because you won't be able to keep up with the pace of the race.
@@ksmackvolleyball Aggre, but is you, not the camera which create the look. Chinimatic is more about the professionalism in telling a story, then how picture look.
Maybe yu didn't graduated well, but here NX80 looks with bettter Dynamic range and with more realistic color.
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I noticed that as well. The dynamic range difference is pretty obvious when he did the outdoor vlogging test. Those shadows have way more detail and the highlights aren't blown out.
The a7iii actually has better dynamic range it's one of the best lowlight cameras on the market. His settings are probably set up for less DR and more contrast he's also using a cheap variable ND filter and he's using a lens that's not particularly "fast" the software on the handycam is set up to control noise and DR on the one and only lens it's calibrated. Also the mirrorless files are made to be color graded look at anyone who is more professional that actually professional color graded them and it's way better.
Every 2019 camera should have a flipout screen!
I really hope they do 😁👍
@@TheEverydayDad btw, did you see the Sharp 8k camera prototype? I hope that will give a wake-up call for other camera manufacturers! Also there will be few 48mp smarthones! Coming up a very interesting year in camera industry.
I did, I was there with the kinotika guys when we found it, if their engineers promise half of what they told us it’s going to be amazing.
point the camera at the world not yourself, no flippy needed. sheeesh
@@PyrateGraphics I willl sheeshn't @ u. There are several people making living from self videoing. As I'm not one of them, but damn I miss a flipout screen from Nikon after I switched to Sony. I need it from time to time for timelapse videos when I'm working...
I'm not really a vlogger. My videos are more of the how to variety. When I started I assumed that videos required a video camera, so I bought a Sony FDR AX33 and have really liked it. The longer depth of field helps guaranty what I'm working on stays in focus. Its been easy to set up and easy to use. When it went in for repair (after 4 years of harsh use) I went to an M50, it was nice, but way harder or should I say more fiddly, so get reliable video on. I would love to try out the better video cameras like the NX80.
Oh my god... Hope no one buys A7III just for vlog use. I mean it's not my money but talk about waste.
What camcorder do you recommend for POV adult content?
I'm shooting on an FDR-AX100 4K and I want to thank you very much for being a person who takes the comparison of camera and DSLR seriously. A lot of people who shoot on DSLR are so strongly against the cameras. But I work better with a camera than with a DSLR.
Buy both. I use the Z90 (for its SDI output) + Top LED + ME64 top mic with AVX receiver and the A73 with a wide lens. It's horses for courses and depends on the job at hand and the speed you need in use. Buttons on the NX80/Z90 makes it easier to use in rush. The A73 with wide lens takes over where the Z90 lens stops. If you need to go low profile the A73 looks like stills camera and no one will notice you. The Z90 when rigged for news looks like what it is and attracts attention!
Excellent video. The extensive side-by-side video comparisons are really useful. Thanks for posting this.
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I started making content with a camcorder now the sony fdr. And i must say i actually love it. Only downside is that it's heavy but exploring abandoned places i must say i love nightvision
Even tho not many use camcorders they are great
What camcorder are u using ??
I much prefer the NX 80 and hate the blurry background of full frame
Been saying this for the longest while now... why would you buy a camera for video then have to go through the hassle of rigging it up to get XLR Audio, ND Filters, better battery life etc? I'm looking at the Z90 and the Z190 switching out my A7S and A7SII
i am pro-camcorders :)
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What camcorder do you recommend POV for adult content?
For an indoor podcast recording what camcorder do y’all recommend?? Lighting is controlled
I have the AX 700 , just a very nice Camera .
Same camera as zx80 without handle.
What would be best camera for church services? I am looking for a good Sony camcorder to go along my Sony mirrorless. Can u get a full frame camcorder etc? I will be zooming in for my shots and lighting might not be the brightest at times. Thanks for any advice/thoughts.
I use the AX700 (NX80 minus the xlr handle) for my TH-cam channel (bourbon blind) for about a year now and the only thing i wish it did better was now DOF. Otherwise, it's a beast. Best thing about it that you didn't mention? No 30 minute record limit!
Minus Streaming capability (live broadcast).
I think that this was a good comparison. Too many people blow off camcorders as ‘old fashioned’. I have been using camcorders and ENG cameras since the 90’s. Now I use two GH5’s and a Panasonic AJ PX270. They are different cameras for different jobs. Most of my work is shooting live theatre, concerts and dance recitals. I wouldn’t want to tackle a job like these without the focal range, the servo zoom, the auto focus, the image stabilization, the audio features and the battery life of an ENG camera.
The Everyday Dad is amazing and Gerald Undone is amazing. Two great TH-camrs that should have way more subscribers than they currently have
The trio of camcorders: Sony Z90 / NX80 / AX700 are well served if the user follows a few tutorial videos. There is even the free first half hour of Doug Jensen's 5 Hour Master Class that can be found on TH-cam. The menus are deep but I don't find them "bad" once you've been shown by a knowledgeable person. A lot of complaints are because of assumptions and impatience. e.g. the Menu button is awkward to reach. I agreed when I started to play with mine - until only a day later I found my finger going to it with ease without my brain getting in the way.
A few points that swung me: My introduction to video was twenty years ago with a DVCAM Sony that cost $30K back when that was real money. I like the physical format, so sue me.
On these camcorders: 6 buttons available to program as one push presets for dozens of possible options; the built in ND filters; parfocal lens (stays in focus as the lens zooms - huge feature attraction for several applications); pull out viewfinder - looks old fashioned but there's a reason for them.
What accessories would I get? A minimal cage consisting of a bottom plate and a right hand side grip I can mount an accessory zoom rocker to. This would free up my left hand for operating the controls when it's off the tripod. The supplied strap feels limiting and less secure for that. Maybe include a top plate for my digital audio recorder but I'm mostly on tripod so the recorder would be mounted down on the tripod somewhere.
I chose the AX700 because I already have an investment in portable XLR audio gear so I opted out of the NX80 or Z90 with their audio bridge handle. I learned later I gave up some features that handle incorporates unrelated to audio. Again that's the kind of information that the online tutorials reveal.
this video answers my exact question. so confusing when you have "video cameras" and "cameras for video".
I still use my AX53. It has killer stabilization, great video quality and a surprisingly usable built in mic.
its also cheaper.
@L Brown 30x
@L Brown optical to 20x, then you can access digital. Quite amazing!
I really don't like the low depth of field with blurry background. In most VLOGs, being able to see what is in the background gives context to the talk.
The blurry background is good for interviews and in studio talk at the camera to separate you from the background.
In studio, you can use green screen. That leaves only interviews where SLR cameras are better.
I like your comparisons in this video, but can I make a little suggestion? If you divide the size of the A7iii's sensor by the size of the nx80's sensor, you'll get a multiplier that you can use for your Aperture and zoom to ACTUALLY match the footage. Tony Northrop had a really good video demonstrating this a while. back. So that f2.8 aperture you've got on the NX80 is probably more equivalent to [Aperture*Crop Factor], which is f2.8 (Aperture)*2.7(crop factor when compared to full-frame cameras) = f7.56. Now, obviously you can't get exactly f7.56, but you can choose F8.0 to get closer to what you see there. Then zoom it to 24mm*2.7, which is approximately 65mm and just back up the camera to fit properly in frame. Now your videos should be near-identical. This should make future comparison videos easier for you. Also, just as an aside, Sony's A7s line is the video-centric version of the A7 line.
I don't think you can call them the same price. Add a single F4 lens to the A7 and the a7 kit is $1k more. I do enjoy your videos, please keep up the good work.
Did anyone mention recording limit?
Camcorders are great for on-the-go shooting where the shooter doesn't have time for "fiddlieness". With the NX80, you can begin shooting in like 2-3 seconds after you flip open the screen and capture good video and XLR audio. That can be an incredible advantage in many circumstances where you either got the shot or you didn't. If that matters to you, a camcorder is the way to go.
Sony Camcorders are tough. I've used an X70 (earlier ver of NX80) in tough outdoor circumstances since it came out. Only time it skipped a beat was when water from a big palm tree leaf drizzled on it. Still worked but couldn't access some buttons. $500 to repair from Sony, but they did a quick/great job.
Menu's: The NX video menu's don't seem complicated when coming from the video world, but may need some learning coming from the camera world. Videos out there explain what they all mean. For many users, the 'Auto' might be enough, as it's pretty good actually.
The LCD also rotates so the shooter can see themself. I guess it's assumed, but.... Video cameras aren't exactly graceful to hold onto. Might need a handle for self-shooting. Also, two card slots is nice, and audio menu is good too. But you do sacrifice some of the full-frame advantages. Depends on a shooter's needs.
2:20 camera jargon doesn't change from camera to camera. The iris is the mechanism that blocks out the light, while the aperture is the size of the hole. And that has to do with the lens and not the camera it self
I did buy an A&Riii but the fact that it overheats after 15-30 mins renders it useless for me who films theatre performances/weddings. So will be going back to look at 4K prosumer camcorder.
I do like how you said why TH-camrs complain that that Hybrids aren’t video focused first they’re photography cameras that take video. Will never be as good as a video cinema focused camera.
I think the NX looks more like older Sony color science and the a7iii looks more Canonish. That is personal preference though and if it was me I'd just record Log and grade regardless of which one i'd be using.
About the m50, I know you like it but it's really hard to have a 4k monitor, watching a 4k video and it's mushy. Just looks like you missed focus and I know you didnt since it's canon autofocus, so it's correct. Would bet the g9 with the autofocus pulsing would be more pleasing, tbh.
I realize that it is a small setup and all, but having a Z6, a7iii and a G9 I dont understand why you would use the m50 and get a video that is not sharp.
In other news, I watch all your videos and find them amazing so i'm not a hater xD
Yeah I edit on a 5k monitor and sometimes it sucks looking at the M50 video. Its good on a 1080p and below display but it gets rough the farther up you get. But I do want to mention I don’t own all these cameras, like I mentioned in the g9 video thats a loaner that I’m borrowing from B&H. I like the m50 when I need something that just works quick and packs to almost nothing.
What could that camcorder change, easy Question ... They could have made it a 3 chipper with 4K@60fps but you could have got a Sony RX10 Camera but I would rather get a Sony RX100 mk5A with its 1 inch sensor and bright f1.8 Zeiss Lens.
Everyday Dad walks away from gear with two cameras, vlogging.
Behind him, a figure runs into shot and takes the tripod he left behind.
NX80 looks better
Great video, have you upgraded your video camera since this video? If so which one did you go with?
In this test the white balance on the camcorder is correct and the a7 has yellow cast. Did you do manual white balance before shooting or were both on auto? Cos that yellow cast is horrible!
Why didn’t you keep the cameras video on the same side throughout the video
i like the skin tone of the NX80 way better
NX80 much better
I'm been asking this question for years. Nice job!
In Japan, the regular family uses camcorder a lot to take a video of kids, sports events, etc and I used to use camcorder most of the time. But when I started watching TH-cam I bought G7 and it was so good could not go back to the camcorder. But there is a lot of great part of camcorder: zoom is so good, stabilization is so good, no time limit and so easy to use. So there is the time that I do want to get a 4K camcorder.
Which is best for teaching
Which one is better in clearity/quality and in Low light comparing between Nx 200 and Nx 80...
Did you shoot the nx80 w/ any particular profile (slog or HGL)? Curious how it would comp, say, if in HGL against the a7iii - what's the final image quality represent? (dynamic range and color)
I added a B&W digital clear filter and RodeVideoMicro for my AX53 so would do the same for the NX80 however I think this camcorder is too expensive so will wait for my dream mirror less camera to replace my older DSLR. 1. Full frame. Flippy screen. Audio port. Rock solid auto focus. Good stabilization. Good 1080p and real 4K. Why can't anyone do it. Seems like they all can get one aspect or a few but not all.
Very good point. Sony A7III is almost there, it's really weird from Sony, why don't they make a flip-screen FF camera? At least, now the A6400 was announced with unlimited, no overheating, full-sensor downconverting 4K video, but without IBIS.
Are they both on auto white balance? Because the R7iii is much warmer.
"Don't Poo Poo it yet"
Gotta keep an open mind 🤣🤣
What would cause random color bands on the NX80? On my 15" laptop the bands will be an inch or a little less tall and last half a second or so. It's like those lines are losing sync or something.
Thanx for the comparison. I have my A7III for photography, and I will have the NX 80 for filming...I was hesitating if it would be necessary.
Thanx EDD. Very informative. That camcorder looks like a very practical solution.
What you think of Panasonic x1500? It has smaller sensor but 24X zoom plus 4K 60p which is rarely yet on camcorder
If you had to pick between the Sony NX80 and Canon XF400 which would you go with? I am looking for a video camera to film my hunts. Is it worth going to the Z190 or XF405 for the SDI???
If you do indoor talking TH-cam videos like this, you should invest into lighting before anything else. There is no lighting excuse in a studio.
Which one is better for TH-cam? Z90 or NX80?
as I stated in previous video I use my ax700 for most video work because it's ease of use and honestly I think the picture is sharper than a7iii but i'll use a7iii for low light work and thats basically filming indoors low light or at night. great review tho
honestly i'd really consider keeping the nx80 if I were you
Hi ! Great content as always. Between Sony NX-80 and Panasonic Cx-7, which one do you suggest for better overall performance ? Like feature wise and quality wise ? Use case will be for youtube content and recording of small scall events and live streaming. Both of these cameras come with in-built streaming capability. Any advice is greatly appreciated !
I have a sony camcorder, got it last year, the lens stabilization is top notch
NX80 is a lot sharper and the image has a lot more detail. Impressive and probably a good fit for a lightweight ENG / TH-cam dedicated video set up. Both leave a lot to be desired in the color department, but that's Sony across the board...they've still yet to get a solid handle on good color science.
Is the stabilization from the a7 iii better then the a6400 Ibis?
I use a Panasonic AG CX-10. Its absolutely perfect, even has built in wifi AND Ethernet live streaming, built in 2 channel xlr interface with built in light, built in Nd filters, huge zoom, infrared night vision, dual card slots and can run for 8-12 hours on a battery. For 99% of things its more than anyone will ever need. And I have an m43 Lumix g9 for still photography.
Are there lens options with the camcorder? I'm thinking not...
But why should it be changed to NX80? the need to change lenses is another big drawback of the A7III. In my opinion, everything is very well seen, the NX 80 is many times larger than the A7III and it’s stupid to rely on Sony to make cameras better than their own camcorders
Some camcorders have filter threads that you can use for conversion lenses in a pinch. The Sony NX80 is one of them. In many cases a good quality zoom lens is enough.
I have a wide angle lens on mine. I am sure I can get other lenses to
Which camera you were shooting this video??👍
Do you still have the nx80?
NX80 👍
Is Sony NX80 better than Sony HXR-NX200 ?
Awesome work you put into making this, I already have the a7iii, would it be unwise to own them both?
Is the camera night vision?
Video quality on a7iii is amazing the color profile is amazing, the other camera looks like a regular good camera the a7iii colors pop and clarity is amazing just my 2 cents. I have the a6300 and after this I really wan to sell it and but the a7iii. Thanks. Looks like a feature film video. Did you color grade this test video?
Nope, I don’t ever color grade my footage, it’s all straight out of camera.
You know, I have the a6300 as well, and the colors are really similar to the a7lll. I dont think its worth upgrading, unless you are going professional. Otherwise good luck!
@@Crazywasp2001 I think that's a huge step from a 6300 to a 7iii.
@@ceeveebee5095 yes, that is 100% true, but i believe that unless your after going professional, there isn't much point in updating
One of the benefits of a smaller sensor is a better stabilization.
What camera is this filmed on? Your equipment list just has a ton of stuff
How about a comparison between the NX80 and the Canon XA50?!!!
DSLR if you want to take 2 hours to shoot a 15 minute video while carrying a extra lenses, mounts, batteries, spend a lot more money, etc... and a Camcorder if you want to take 15 minutes to shoot a 15 minute video in one all encompassing neat & tidy package! 😂
I have a question.. lol so new to this! Do I just turn the camera to record vertical or just edit it? This for ig reels
I have AX700, same features, sensor, like NX80... it's so easy to use, video quality is amazing, microphone is amazing, autofocus fast...only downside is that it can shoot only up to 8-bit video, 4k 30fps, 1080p up to 120fps...but also 480p slow motion 960fps
Both Z90 and NX80 (only difference is the SDI port) are set for semi-professional use (live broadcasting video journalism). I think you compare "apples with peaches" :). A7 is a camera for photo shooting, meanwhile the NX is a semi-pro camera for shooting video (especially for live broadcasting). Anyway, nice review.
I used to have a handycam. It was so easy to use and compact. Zoom was 50x and it was very clear in great lighting conditions, but it's really not usable for taking pictures.
Now I have the a6400, although this is a zoom kit lens, it's bulkier and heavier, but it takes pics 10000000x better, video is also great! It's just that I have to bring the zoom lens with me everytime I go out.
What would you use at a wedding?
what zeiss lens do you use on a7III?
The NX-80 is clearly superior for video. I would expect that because it was built from the ground up for video. I don’t see why any professional would use hybrid camera for video. If one must use a hybrid buy a gimbal. Not impressed by any existing stabilization.
I skipped through a little, but I am wondering why you chose 4K30, because the A7III has a crop in that framerate and resolution. 4K24 would have been better for the comparison, in my opinion.
Because I personally use 30fps in all of my projects 👍
Love this comparison!
Thanks so much!
NX 80 is simply amazing! Wow!!! It’s literally the BEST quality I’ve ever seen on one of these videos!
Great job!
NX80 looks good!
I like the NX80 as it seems more realistic on what you think the lighting would look like.
But, for $2k plus? Neither in the everyday user. Are the results good? You bet, but there is no way that I would (I could) spend that much coin for any video device. It would have to be perfect for me to spend anywhere close to $1k. 2k is never never land. Just like $1k for a cell phone, not happening.... 😬
Thanks for the video and I think maybe going for a sub $1000 video cam vs the NX80 comparison video should be popular...
Take care, Bill in Utah
Bill, I totally agree, I think there are better priced options out there for those that want to make online content.
I honestly thought that the “an actual video camera” part of your title was referring to the Sony A7iii.
At one time I shot on the Sony AX100 (Camcorder) but it wasn’t versatile enough for much of the video related stuff I was trying to do. It’s really difficult to achieve certain looks that you can get from interchangeable lenses.
So I moved to the Panasonic GH5 for about a year then I eventually moved to the A7iii.
For the video camera, save some money and get the Sony AX700 instead of the NX80. It's the same camera without the audio options on the handle and wi-fi. One thing to remember is that the AX 700 and NX80 added picture profiles to the camera and include HLG shooting for those who are interested in that. It should have been easier to match your cameras if you were looking to have similar colors.
The good thing I found with the video camera vs my mirrorless is that the video camera has no record time limit and is better as a 'set and forget' camera. I can start recording and come back two hours later to stop it. The lack of good low light does make it harder to use the NX80/AX700 in run and gun situations.
Yep, I mentioned that in my NX80 video, that if you don’t need the XLR ports going with the AX700 is a much better idea.
@@TheEverydayDad the older ax100 is still an option. We havent gotten rid of the 2 we have yet as the updates for us seem pretty marginal for what we use them for, which is mostly stage productions
Thanks for the video! Super informative! I’d add a video light to the nx80.
When the sharp 8k comes out can you review it because I am so excited for it
Where is low ligt test?🤗